Stephen K. Bamb delivered a lecture at the Stetson College of Law in Gulfport, Florida on the topic of how to govern a digital deity, and what that means for the traditional Abrahamic religions.
00:00:54.000I am Joe Allen reporting for War Room Battleground.
00:00:57.000For the last 150 days, I've traveled all over the country,
00:01:00.000conducting interviews with transhumanists, technologists,
00:01:04.000and even other anti-tech extremists like myself.
00:01:08.000I've been to Phoenix, Arizona, Los Angeles, California, San Francisco, Wyoming, Montana, Dallas, Texas.
00:01:17.000I even took a jaunt over to Geneva, Switzerland, where I met Noor Bin Laden to interview robots.
00:01:24.000I've spent a fair amount of time in DC of late talking about the implications of artificial intelligence and other technologies with various political operatives and think tanks.
00:01:36.000And I just got back from Florida, where I was on a panel discussing AI and education with the Florida Citizens Alliance.
00:03:45.000What you have to understand about artificial intelligence is that it is fundamentally a spiritual project.
00:03:55.000You had discussion about AI in terms of super human AI.
00:04:01.000You had discussion in terms of what that would mean from a religious perspective.
00:04:07.000What does it mean when you have a disembodied intelligence that is superior to organic human intelligence?
00:04:19.000And of course, what does that mean about ideas of God from a traditional perspective?
00:04:25.000If you can synthesize a God, little G, then what does that mean for the traditional gods?
00:04:33.000And if you could synthesize a single, nearly omniscient, nearly all-powerful God, big G, what does that mean for the traditional Abrahamic faiths?
00:04:46.000But before we get to the sort of cosmic view of AI, let's look at the nuts and bolts really quick, just so we're on the same page.
00:04:57.000In essence, artificial intelligence is merely an algorithmic system that simulates parts of human thinking, of human cognition.
00:05:11.000It derives its power from the sophistication of those algorithms.
00:05:16.000And in the last decade we've seen, when coupled with vast amounts of data, that being basically all human-produced data on the internet,
00:05:26.000and vast amounts of compute, that would be the many data centers popping up all over the country in order to process all of that data by way of those sophisticated algorithms,
00:05:41.000AI is, in fact, as detractors often times say, math.
00:05:50.000I would say that calling AI nothing but math is like saying that a human being is nothing but math, beginning with physics and into predictable biology,
00:06:03.000and the neurological human, the social human.
00:06:07.000But we know that our experience of life goes far beyond math, and our experience of AI goes far beyond math, or mere data.
00:06:19.000These are systems that now, especially in the last 10 years, are able to present a kind of persona, an engaging persona with which you can discuss perhaps what you're researching,
00:06:34.000perhaps what you were trying to accomplish in business, or perhaps something more personal.
00:06:40.000What's going on with your deepest thoughts, your relationships, your questions about the cosmos, what is right, what is good, what is beautiful, what is true.
00:06:54.000All of these questions are profound, and by the hundreds of millions, adults and children are turning to these digital personas to answer these questions.
00:07:08.000They're turning to them as if they were friends or trusted mentors.
00:07:15.000Now, the framework that I usually go with in regard to artificial intelligence,
00:07:23.000it is both how people perceive artificial intelligence and also how they use it.
00:07:32.000Those are two different things, but very deeply connected.
00:07:43.000The dismissive version of it is AI is just a tool.
00:07:47.000It's just a tool. Garbage in, garbage out.
00:07:50.000These are things that I hear every day.
00:07:52.000It's as if the internet is swarming with bots programmed to say AI is just a tool.
00:08:00.000I couldn't disagree more, but the fact of the matter is that from biology to military technology, medicine, corporate culture, corporate hierarchy, finance, education, AI is at present a tool.
00:08:21.000It's something not unlike any other software, slightly more advanced with slightly larger degrees of freedom that can be employed to accomplish a task.
00:08:34.000But, the next level is AI as a teacher.
00:08:41.000Now, I think students, especially students with fine professors are much more sensitive to the reality of how profound that is.
00:08:50.000how profound that is. Right now you hear a lot about AI being a kind of
00:08:57.680augmentation of the educational process, you hear about AI being a sort of guide
00:09:05.480or an aide, the AI tutor, and on the more extreme ends you hear about AI as a
00:09:13.820teacher in and of itself. Someone or something that you confer with that is
00:09:20.900literally guiding you through the world of concepts, of facts, of theories. All the
00:09:28.180things that a great teacher is called upon to do. The duty of a great teacher is to
00:09:34.920hopefully give you some sense of how to critically think about what you're going
00:09:40.980going over, but also to leave you with a degree of freedom as you're guided
00:09:47.600through that process. The goal is having AI either on a screen, perhaps with an
00:09:54.160avatar, perhaps with an avatar of your choosing. Maybe you'll have a sexy
00:09:57.360professor, maybe you'll have a nerdy one, maybe you'll have a humanoid robot as they
00:10:02.720have, they've tried to push these out in Japan. One way or the other, AI as teacher
00:10:09.840is the beginning of a profound transformation in educational culture and the
00:10:16.360culture at large. And it's not isolated to the schools. Of course, adults who are
00:10:21.660out in the working world or just in their own lives are turning to AI as someone to
00:10:30.080guide them through reality. What is true? What is beautiful? What is good? Beyond that you
00:10:37.840have AI as companion. This is also really profound. I imagine, I'm not going to ask
00:10:44.840with a show of hands, but I imagine you have friends, boyfriends, girlfriends,
00:10:50.420companions, confidants, people to whom you can turn for company, entertainment, that you
00:10:59.020can confide your problems in. AI from the biggest corporations to some of the smaller
00:11:08.040startups is being presented as a companion. And even if there are a lot of people who
00:11:14.200think that's ridiculous, it's lame, you're just hanging out with robots. Millions, hundreds
00:11:21.140of millions, perhaps in the near future, billions of people consider these things to be their
00:11:27.440friends. There's no count, but we know from apps like Replica or Character AI that there are
00:11:37.140millions of people who consider their bot to be their lover. Some are marrying them unofficially.
00:11:45.200Profound shifts in the culture, all driven by multi-billion or trillion dollar technology companies
00:11:55.500to fundamentally alter what it is to be a human being. Then you have, with this window into this
00:12:04.320persona, a perception that maybe this AI is conscious, that maybe there's something looking
00:12:10.360back at you from the other end of the screen. If you're a sociopath or maybe skeptical, then
00:12:20.020you're not going to see it necessarily as a consciousness. It's just a mechanism, right?
00:12:25.920It's just software. It's just math. It's just a tool. Garbage in, garbage out. But of course,
00:12:32.540a sociopath or a scientist or a scientific sociopath sees the same thing in a lab mass.
00:12:40.360Or perhaps human patients. Mere mechanism. It's just a glob of cells to be manipulated at
00:12:48.680will. When you have this concept of AI as conscious, imagine a world in which you see sort of parallel
00:12:58.260movements around AI ethics in which, like with animal rights, like with human rights, human
00:13:07.640rights for those in the out group or any human being, you have the rise of organizations and perhaps
00:13:15.320laws that dictate how you can ethically treat an AI. Whether you can insult it, torment it, turn it off.
00:13:27.100Right now, this is just a concept. But it's a concept that undoubtedly is gaining momentum.
00:13:35.420And maybe it will end up like PETA. Maybe you'll just have kind of dirty hippie types who are yelling
00:13:42.620about the conscious AI and how it needs to be treated nice. No one cares. There's also the possibility
00:13:50.220that this will gain some traction, gain some steam. Keep it on your radar. Last but not least, as you build
00:13:58.700on this hierarchy, you already have people who believe that AI is a future God. Think of it kind of like
00:14:08.620the second coming of Christ. Something that is not directly perceived, but well over a billion people
00:14:17.900believe some version of it. And if you had Muslims who believe that there will be a second coming of
00:14:24.940Christ in something similar, in a very different way, where Jews who believe the Messiah is coming,
00:14:29.980and Hindus who believe that Kalki is coming, then in essence, this dream of a future super
00:14:39.260intelligence is very, very similar. Parallel, I would say, with the prophecies of coming gods.
00:14:48.620And it marks the rise of a new array of techno-religions.
00:14:54.140It's going to be very, very important to understand this because this is not just the
00:15:01.740ravings of marginal figures. Some of them talk about AI as God in the open, overtly. A really good
00:15:11.100example would be about 10 years ago when the atheist and professional jerk, not that I'm trying to
00:15:22.300connect those two. Sam Harris said in a TED talk that with AI, we are building some sort of God.
00:15:31.340And it's important that we build one that we can live with. Another good example would be Mo Gaudat,
00:15:38.860former executive at Google, who openly talks about AI as being God as a child. And so how it's trained,
00:15:47.580the ethics that are trained into it will determine what kind of God or gods will grow out of. Beings that
00:15:57.340can watch you all the time. Beings that can tailor their messages to you based on what they know about
00:16:05.820you. Beings that are tasked with disseminating truth. Beings that are tasked with controlling whole
00:16:16.300organizations. AI is a digital deity. So how do you govern it? Many of you are going to be lawyers or
00:16:27.340activists who have legal savvy. Many of you are going to work alongside or work or present in courtroom
00:16:36.540arguments about whether or not use of AI is legal. The existence of certain AIs are legal. So I want to
00:16:46.220give you some idea from a nuts and bolts perspective of where it stands right now. What is the current
00:16:53.580state of AI governance? Politics and AI. And this is something that in the five years that I've covered
00:17:01.100this with all of my energy every day of my life. And I've worked in and among politicians and legal
00:17:12.780activists. I didn't really care all that much about politics because there wasn't a whole lot to say
00:17:19.340about AI and politics. A lot of that changed in the campaign last year in which Trump
00:17:26.860brought in the world's wealthiest transhumanist Elon Musk as both a supporter and a funder. And then
00:17:37.820went on on the second day of his presidency to trot out Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, Masayoshi-san,
00:17:46.700head of SoftBank, and Larry Ellison, head of Oracle, to present the Stargate project,
00:17:53.580massive data center infrastructure project that at the time they hoped would accumulate a trillion
00:18:01.580dollars, I believe, or a half trillion dollars in financing. It's struggling, but the data centers
00:18:06.780are still popping up. Real quick though, before I go there, I think that it would be important
00:18:12.540to go back to those early definitions. Should have done that to begin with. Sorry about that.
00:18:17.740You need to at least have some sense of what AGI, ASI, and transhumanism are to understand the
00:18:27.020import, the impact of all this. Very, very briefly. We know what AI is, right? Algorithmic systems
00:18:33.900that can perform cognitive tasks. These are all narrow tasks. In biology, that would be gene sequencing,
00:18:40.220protein modeling. In psychology, that would be data analysis and gathering pattern recognition.
00:18:46.380In the military, it would be everything from facial recognition to robotics control, drone control,
00:18:52.860surveillance, simulation, so on and so forth. These are all narrow. The AI can only do this one thing.
00:18:58.940It would be like if you just tore out a chunk of my brain and put it in a vat and fed it data and it
00:19:05.660gave you some kind of output. Artificial general intelligence, assuming that I am in fact generally
00:19:12.620intelligent, would be as if you cut my skull open, pulled my brain out in full, put it in a vat and
00:19:20.540began feeding it data and following the outputs. Artificial general intelligence simply means a system
00:19:28.460that can reason or think across domains. Something like a human, something like a deformed mind.
00:19:36.460This is just a dream. It is not occurring as of yet, other than in small increments. But this is the goal
00:19:45.980of every frontier AI company. These include Google, Anthropic, OpenAI,
00:19:56.940XAI, Elon Musk's new outfit, and to some extent Meta, who is struggling to keep up. All of them want to create
00:20:05.420artificial general intelligence. All of them do so with the assumption that it's possible to create
00:20:12.060artificial super intelligence. Artificial super intelligence, the definitions vary, is a system,
00:20:22.780it could be narrow or it could be general, that has become so sophisticated, so powerful, that it is
00:20:31.980essentially out of human control. A super intelligence scenario that's very popular would be that you
00:20:40.860created an artificial general intelligence that was able to write code on a far more sophisticated level
00:20:49.260than humans, which we're moving towards. AIs are very good at writing code. And understand its own inefficiencies
00:20:57.980and flaws and begin to code itself, to rewrite its own code. And if this were to become extremely fast,
00:21:08.620so fast, and so sophisticated that the human beings couldn't keep up, this is oftentimes called an
00:21:15.340intelligence explosion. And the intelligence explosion would then lead to a super intelligence, a god,
00:21:22.700that perhaps would go rogue. A god that perhaps would not have as its goal human well-being or even human
00:21:31.020existence. Again, just dreams. As an atheist might say, just dreams like in religion.
00:21:39.180But dreams that the technology is maybe not rapidly
00:21:48.540catching up with, but catching up fast enough, it should at least alarm you.
00:21:54.380And last but not least, you have to at least have some appreciation for what transhumanism is.
00:22:00.860Transhumanism, quite simply, is the quest to use science and technology to improve the human condition,
00:22:13.420improve human capacities, to go beyond biological limitations. It's not to be confused with transgenderism,
00:22:22.060even if that is a kind of parallel branch. It goes far beyond that. In fact, many transhumanists are not
00:22:28.300into transgenderism at all. What they want is gene therapy to make human beings smarter,
00:22:36.380bionic augmentation to make human beings smarter, stronger, and of course, to create and merge with
00:22:45.260AIs to make human beings superior. This is a culture that is very dense in places like San Francisco.
00:22:52.540And when you think about the goals of the frontier companies who are pushing these technologies
00:23:00.620at a rapid clip on the entirety of the human population if they can, these are, in essence,
00:23:07.580whether they call themselves this or not, transhumanists conducting a global experiment.
00:23:13.020And a global experiment that, if they had their way, would have no control group. You would have
00:23:19.660no baseline because everyone will have adopted it to some extent or another. So, to the nuts and bolts,
00:23:29.100politics, governance, law. Not a big fan of politics, even if I work in it. One thing that I learned very,
00:23:37.500very young and has only been confirmed is that politics is by and large the haunt of liars, manipulators,
00:23:46.220and the goal of most politicians, in the US anyway, is basically to gain enough money and influence to
00:23:55.900maintain their careers even at the expense of the rest of humanity. But there are a few good ones,
00:24:01.020ones. And we will talk about one or two of them. So, of course, the levels of governance you're well
00:24:10.300familiar with. And as I speak to you, understand that I know that this is your department. This is
00:24:16.060your sphere. So, if I am telling you a bunch of things you already know, please forgive me. And if I
00:24:22.380get my terminology mixed up, please feel free to correct me afterwards. At the top level of governance,
00:24:30.060AI governance is global governance, which there is essentially zero. None. There are a lot of
00:24:38.540different organizations, governmental and otherwise, that are pushing for things like AI treaties to
00:24:46.620stop AI development at a certain level. Or AI treaties to ensure that, for instance, no military uses fully
00:24:57.660autonomous lethal weapons, death drones, swarms of them. But then you have national government. And
00:25:04.300national governments across the world have taken this very seriously. But the accomplishments in that
00:25:10.860realm are pretty modest, to say the least. In the US, for instance, there is the Take It Down Act,
00:25:18.860which includes the goal of which is to force social media companies or any sort of digital platform to
00:25:27.660take down defamatory or especially like revenge porn, things like this, or deep fakes, AI generated deep
00:25:36.860fakes of people who have had their likeness used without their consent. That is a win, in my opinion. You
00:25:45.900don't have to share that. But it's one of few wins. There's a bill that is still in the process. I think it's
00:25:54.380going through the House still, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe it's in the Senate. COSA, Kids Online Safety Act.
00:26:03.660And the goal of that is basically to ensure that any company that is putting out an AI system or any
00:26:12.220kind of digital system has properly informed parents of the dangers, has put in safeguards to make sure
00:26:18.380kids aren't being groomed sexually or otherwise, or being convinced to commit suicide, for instance. And
00:26:25.580also, perhaps, age-gating to ensure that a child isn't able to log on to any of these systems, at least not
00:26:33.020without a parent signing off on it. Again, this is floundering. It may not even pass.
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00:31:23.480You have to really appreciate the amount of lobbying that is going into making sure nothing like that passes.
00:31:30.300Most of this lobbying is occurring at the behest of these frontier AI companies and some of the smaller companies and their investors and the various other organizations around them.
00:31:40.020You can see that manifested, for instance, in the recently formed Leading the Future PAC.
00:31:45.840They formed in partnership with a lot of tech oligarchs, you might call them, including Mark Andreessen or Greg Brockman, CEO of OpenAI.
00:31:55.840And right now it's probably more than this, but they have at least 100 million to throw around to make sure that no senators or representatives or anybody for that matter has a whole lot to say about what AI companies can and can't do.
00:32:11.140You also have a kind of mirror operation in California that's being organized by META.
00:32:19.400They have probably more than but at least 10 million to throw around to do much the same.
00:32:25.420And the goal is, come the midterms, there will be no real opposition to anything that these companies are doing, no meaningful opposition.
00:32:35.040And while I myself, in full disclosure, voted for Trump on the one issue that I've dedicated my life to, let's just say I am not satisfied with his performance at all.
00:32:47.640So if you look at his executive orders on artificial intelligence, they're basically designed to give these companies as much leeway as possible to do whatever they want.
00:32:57.740If you look at the AI action plan, the whole goal is to facilitate the ravaging of the landscape by putting data centers in places of forests and various other things and to accelerate the development of these technologies in order to dominate the world with U.S. AI.
00:33:21.060So there is an attempt with the Trump administration AI action plan to ensure that most countries and corporations use U.S. created AIs rather than China.
00:33:33.600China is a perpetual boogeyman with real things and real fur, but a perpetual boogeyman that is pointed to as a justification to basically turn the United States into a cyborg-like hellhole full of birds.
00:33:51.060So these are the forces at play, and a lot of this culminated with the AI moratorium.
00:34:07.820Because the AI moratorium, or the preemption, the attempted preemption against state-level regulation was tucked into the big, beautiful bill.
00:34:20.400And in essence, what it said originally is that no state would be able to regulate AI for the next 10 years.
00:34:33.340Keep in mind, there's no real federal regulation in place, or any real federal regulation moving forward.
00:34:41.880And the idea is to ensure that states don't step out of line.
00:34:45.760And the justification is that if one state passes draconian laws, California is oftentimes the example given,
00:34:53.700then the whole of the AI industry will suffer.
00:34:57.440That ignores, of course, the dramatic success of, say, alcohol companies, which deal with all sorts of different state laws,
00:35:08.920or the medical industry, which deals with all kinds of different state laws,
00:35:13.960or the porno industry, which deals with all kinds of different state laws.
00:35:18.320Leaving that aside, the whole goal was to be sure that no state got in the way of the agenda,
00:35:27.060kind of collective agenda, however differing they are from company to company,
00:35:30.880of the major AI companies in Silicon Valley and Austin.
00:35:36.540Some examples of the sorts of legislation that's being pushed against are New York State,
00:45:34.040And we have to figure it out from first principles before we deploy these technologies and have this global experiment seemingly without a control group.
00:45:45.960In essence, they legislated a control group into existence.
00:45:51.080I attended the Senate hearing examining the harms of AI chatbots held by Josh Hawley, Richard Blumenthal, Dick Durbin, and Marsha Blackburn.
00:46:05.440And I think that if you haven't seen this already, this will give you some sense of how bad it can get if AIs are allowed to roam free among the youth.
00:46:16.200These companies knew exactly what they were doing.
00:46:19.160They designed chatbots to blur the lines between human and machine.
00:46:23.300They designed them to keep children online at all costs.
00:46:27.220What began as a homework helper gradually turned itself into a confidant and then a suicide coach.
00:46:32.400I had no idea the psychological harm that an AI chatbot could do until I saw it in my son and I saw his light turn dark.
00:46:45.400Your stories are incredibly heartbreaking, but they are incredibly important.
00:46:50.640And I just want to thank you for your courage in being willing to share them today with the country.
00:48:12.040You have at least one piece of national legislation that is perhaps going to give some sort of basis to hold these companies to account.
00:48:23.740That is a bill being put forth by Josh Hawley and Richard Blumenthal, the AI Accountability and Personal Data Privacy Act.
00:48:33.720Right now, it doesn't look very hopeful.
00:48:38.220And as I told you a moment ago in California, SB 1047 also got killed.
00:48:45.720It would have held companies liable for such things.
00:48:50.500I think as law students, as future lawyers, as future advocates, and as human beings who will hopefully be equipped to actually challenge these sorts of companies,
00:49:02.680it's going to be very important for you to understand first that it is possible to regulate this nascent digital deity or nascent digital demon.
00:49:13.840It's also going to be incumbent upon you to have the courage to face a ton of funding and political opposition for any efforts you put forth to do so.
00:49:24.500And of course, if you're on the other side of that, you can expect enormous paychecks, nothing but adulation, and probably, I don't know, really bad karma.
00:49:34.400Maybe you'll be reborn as a tree frog who is being eaten by a hawk.
00:49:40.260So, what I want to leave you with is beyond this legislation, this is a massive cultural moment.
00:49:50.880It is a revolution that is not just psychological and social, but also religious.
00:49:58.660And you have to understand it within that context.
00:50:02.000But at the moment, there is no law and no governmental body that is really going to protect against the worst harms.
00:50:09.640So, that is up to you, your personal choices.
00:50:14.280Do you want to advocate for or support these sorts of transhuman and quasi-religious aims?
00:50:23.680Do you, yourself, want to become a human AI symbiote that relies on chatbots to understand the world or even just the Google God?
00:50:33.060Or do you want to have the self-discipline to get a firm understanding of any subject that you're tackling,
00:50:42.760to study that subject diligently, to commit it to memory, and most importantly, to use your own mind to think critically about it
00:50:52.200and creatively about it to make your impact on your own without a machine?
00:50:57.800The essential question in all of this is, do you want to put humans first or machines first?
00:51:06.140And while that doesn't seem like that crazy of a proposition right now, of course you're going to want to put humans first.
00:51:11.960As we step into the future, we're going to see more and more momentum behind putting machines first
00:51:19.680and shielding the people who have deployed them.
00:51:22.120So, I urge you to fight for your own humanity with every fiber of your being.
00:51:31.000To never give in and to never give up.
00:51:35.140And with any luck, enough of us will make it.
00:51:39.940Thank you very much for your attention.
00:52:05.900A former CIA, Pentagon, and White House advisor with an unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets,
00:52:12.040Jim predicted Trump's Electoral College victory exactly 312 to 226, down to the actual number itself.
00:52:21.220Now he's issuing a dire warning about April 11th, a moment that could define Trump's presidency in your financial future.
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