Bannon's War Room - October 15, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 870： False Popes Promote False Prophets

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Frank Walker Jenny Holland Pope Francis Don Lorenzo Milani Charles Murray Getter Chris Jackson Jim Rickards Barry Weiss Money GPT Pius XII Trigger Aachen Bishop Edward McCarthy Stephen K. Band Ayaan Hirsi Ali Strategic Intelligence Mary O'Catholic Cameron Wallace Philip Patrick and 17 more
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In this episode, Harnwell challenges the notion that Catholics have a role in the governance of the Catholic Church, and argues that Catholics should have a greater say in the appointment of bishops and cardinals. He argues that the Catholic laity should have the same power as the Chinese Communist apparatchiks in China.

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00:00:44.000 War Room.
00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:00:48.000 Wednesday 15th of October,
00:00:57.000 Anno Domini 2025.
00:01:00.000 Harnwell here at the helm for our weekly review of what is all wrong in Christendom,
00:01:07.000 specifically the Catholic Church.
00:01:09.000 And the reason that we do this show,
00:01:13.000 I have to say this,
00:01:14.000 because I do read all the comments that are posted,
00:01:16.000 especially on Getter,
00:01:17.000 but also on Rumble to these shows.
00:01:20.000 And a couple of people have said that,
00:01:22.000 why do you guys bash the Catholic Church so much?
00:01:25.000 Shouldn't we be building it up?
00:01:27.000 That the reason we do this as a service to Catholics is because,
00:01:31.000 obviously,
00:01:32.000 in the Catholic formation,
00:01:33.000 we're expected to give obedience,
00:01:36.000 docile obedience to our bishops,
00:01:39.000 especially including the Pope.
00:01:42.000 And we do this show so Catholics can be better aware of exactly what is done behind the scenes,
00:01:51.000 under the cover of darkness,
00:01:53.000 in their name,
00:01:54.000 in Catholics' name,
00:01:55.000 because we're the ones paying for it,
00:01:56.000 keeping the whole thing going with our collection plate offerings.
00:02:00.000 And I have a view,
00:02:01.000 I won't speak for anyone else,
00:02:03.000 though if anyone else wants to support what I said,
00:02:06.000 they're obviously very welcome.
00:02:08.000 But I have a view,
00:02:10.000 especially now in the year 2025,
00:02:13.000 that Catholics have a special role,
00:02:16.000 not just in renewing the secular sphere,
00:02:20.000 the temple orders,
00:02:22.000 the Second Vatican Council decree on the laity put it,
00:02:26.000 but I also have a view that we actually have a role in the governance of the Catholic Church itself,
00:02:33.000 the areas traditionally belonging to the prerogatives of our bishops and our cardinals and our popes.
00:02:42.000 One of the reasons I think is very strongly,
00:02:44.000 and the reason why we home in on all of the scandals that are done by the clergy and by the bishops,
00:02:52.000 is because it's manifestly clear to me that the people who expect a free hand to run the church,
00:03:00.000 not only are they not defending and preserving the Catholic faith for the salvation of souls,
00:03:07.000 they're using the freedom that they have given themselves to commit atrocious and appalling atrocities on the laity themselves.
00:03:19.000 So that's why I say we should have a stronger role.
00:03:22.000 And I say this again and again and again.
00:03:24.000 If people say,
00:03:25.000 Harnwell, that's not a traditionalist point of view,
00:03:27.000 or Harnwell, you're nothing but a Protestant pretending to be a Catholic.
00:03:33.000 You should just obey the Pope or the papal pretender,
00:03:39.000 if we're going to throw that one in there.
00:03:41.000 All I say that the Catholic laity should have in the West is exactly the same prerogatives that the Catholic Church has given to the CCP apparatchiks in China.
00:04:02.000 That is to say, the responsibility, the exclusive responsibility of appointing and nominating and appointing bishops in the Catholic Church.
00:04:12.000 Because I don't see how the Catholic Church can, the Vatican, the Holy See,
00:04:19.000 can look its believers, its flock in the face and say,
00:04:25.000 you know what, we'll give the right to pick bishops in China to people who spend their day pulling down Christian churches, 0.86
00:04:35.000 churches, house churches, cathedrals, both Catholic and Protestant, Catholic and evangelical, I hasten to add.
00:04:43.000 We're going to give these people who hate Christianity the ability to pick bishops in China.
00:04:51.000 But in the West, you know, Joe and Mary O'Catholic, who have been a pillar of their parish for 50 years,
00:04:58.000 then they can't have that right because that's Protestant.
00:05:01.000 That is the contradiction that lies at the heart of what presents itself to the world as being the Catholic Church.
00:05:08.000 And whilst I have force in my body, I will resist that contradiction.
00:05:13.000 And I will resist that contradiction on behalf of the laity,
00:05:16.000 the faithful laity who, with their blood, sweat and tears and cash,
00:05:22.000 have kept this institution on the road over the last 70 years after the Second Vatican Council,
00:05:28.000 whilst our bishops, having that free hand which they give to themselves, have created a wasteland.
00:05:35.000 Okay. Frank Walker.
00:05:37.000 You are the Catholic matgrudge. 1.00
00:05:42.000 No one spends more time monitoring all the depredations of the Catholic Church than you. 0.95
00:05:49.000 Tell me now, as you recount for the warring posse, the first story that we're going to analyze today on the show.
00:05:59.000 When was the last time you saw something as horrific as what we're going to discuss today?
00:06:04.000 And by the way, folks, by the way, folks, when Frank Walker comes out to reading specifically a portion of a letter, right?
00:06:15.000 Trigger warning time. We're not snowflakes here on the war room.
00:06:19.000 Trigger warning though. It is so appalling what you are going to hear on the war room today.
00:06:25.000 Viewer discretion advice. And I literally mean that. I read this and I thought, I don't know how I can read this out loud on air.
00:06:34.000 It's so appalling. And this is a guy, Frank Walker, that the Catholic Church proposes for us as a modern day prophet.
00:06:42.000 The floor is yours, sir.
00:06:45.000 Well, this is a great piece that was just out today by Chris Jackson, who we talk about a lot on this show.
00:06:51.000 He chronicles every day what's going on in Leo's church and he's been a terrific help.
00:06:56.000 And he leads in this article with the discussion of the Aachen.
00:07:00.000 I think that's how you say the Aachen diocese in Germany, where they have in Germany, they've extensively implemented Francis's gay blessings.
00:07:09.000 Even though they had all these caveats in there, and Leo has mentioned the caveats, they don't add up to anything.
00:07:16.000 And they're moving forward in these dioceses and they'll bless anyone that loves each other.
00:07:23.000 No conditions, all about love.
00:07:26.000 And that's how he leads off with this story about a late priest, Don Lorenzo Milani, who just this past Saturday, Pope Leo, honored him.
00:07:39.000 And I remember reading about this and I thought it sounded familiar, but I didn't quite remember.
00:07:45.000 Francis also, several years ago, honored this guy.
00:07:48.000 And at the time, I read about him and a lot of people wrote that he was a communist.
00:07:53.000 You know, he was a communist priest.
00:07:55.000 He was sort of a priest, but there's lots of pictures of him with children.
00:07:58.000 He invented sort of a mode of education in Italy.
00:08:02.000 And nobody, I mean, they mentioned he was a communist.
00:08:05.000 This time when Leo honored this guy, nobody said anything about it.
00:08:10.000 Chris Jackson says he's exalting as holy something that's unholy and is institutionalizing confusion.
00:08:19.000 These are the things that the church is doing.
00:08:21.000 This is a quote from him.
00:08:23.000 I care from Don Milani, who founded this way of educating.
00:08:27.000 I care.
00:08:28.000 I urge you not to be passive and to do your part to shape the face of the church that cares about people's lives.
00:08:34.000 How banal and how similar sounding is that to Leo and what we hear today?
00:08:39.000 And there and he quotes.
00:08:42.000 And this is the most astounding thing as peace said.
00:08:44.000 Ben just mentioned.
00:08:45.000 He quotes Don Milani from 1959, one of his letters.
00:08:49.000 And because careful, careful, Frank, careful.
00:08:52.000 Frank, before you do this, folks, folks, if you've got kids watching the show today, send them out the room for 30 seconds.
00:08:59.000 I'm not joking.
00:09:00.000 This is one of the most horrific things I've ever read in my life.
00:09:05.000 And the fact that it comes from a Catholic priest.
00:09:08.000 OK, so look, I think that's given parents a chance, right, to clear the room.
00:09:13.000 It's this bad, folks.
00:09:15.000 Frank, floor is yours.
00:09:17.000 This is the quote.
00:09:18.000 If there is a danger for my soul, it is certainly not that I have loved too little, but that I have loved too much, meaning even to the point of taking them to bed.
00:09:29.000 And then who will ever be able to love boys to the bone without in the end putting it up their backside?
00:09:35.000 If not a teacher who together with them also loves God and fears hell and longs for heaven.
00:09:43.000 The conflation of this perversion with the sacred and with communism, it's all in one.
00:09:53.000 It's all in one in this guy that that Francis and Leo both honor.
00:09:57.000 Why both of them?
00:09:58.000 That's the thing.
00:09:59.000 Why both of them honor him?
00:10:00.000 And it's just amazing.
00:10:03.000 And this kind of thing of conflating the sacred perversion with with I mean, perversion with the sacred.
00:10:11.000 This is part of Francis's and Leo's church.
00:10:14.000 You see what the gay blessings going on and the head of the dicastery of the doctrine of the faith. 0.97
00:10:20.000 He also does that.
00:10:21.000 He has previous writings just like this.
00:10:24.000 This priest, this late priest that conflate the two together.
00:10:27.000 Now, this priest founded a movement, the Barbiana movement, and the man who went and ran ahead and created a commune with this is spending 14 years in prison.
00:10:36.000 So that's what he goes on to appear.
00:10:39.000 Yes, he is.
00:10:41.000 Let's just.
00:10:42.000 So we've put out there.
00:10:43.000 We've read out now that this scandalous quotation from this 1959.
00:10:49.000 Hold on to that date, 1959, because we're going to come back to that issue.
00:10:53.000 Frank, you're going to come back to that issue later on in the show, because this is the content.
00:10:59.000 This is what was brewing in the Catholic Church in the last century.
00:11:04.000 So that's the quote. 0.97
00:11:05.000 OK, so it's basically it's a it's soft porn. 0.99
00:11:10.000 It's sod. 0.99
00:11:11.000 It's soft pederast porn. 0.99
00:11:13.000 Right. 0.99
00:11:14.000 It's a priest saying basically he's taken boys to bed.
00:11:20.000 And he says, who's ever going to be able to love boys to the bone without in the end putting it up their backside?
00:11:29.000 I don't know if you if you could legally even write that kind of letter these days.
00:11:36.000 Why do I say?
00:11:39.000 Pay attention, folks, to the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, because the man who wrote that letter.
00:11:49.000 Has been called by the late un lamented.
00:11:54.000 Pope Francis, a role model for priests.
00:11:57.000 OK, and a prophet.
00:12:01.000 And a prophet, he's been got a prophet by the man who currently presents himself to the world as Pope with the stage name Leo the 14th.
00:12:12.000 OK, that's the point here.
00:12:15.000 And then it's called a role model for priests and and Leo called this man a prophet.
00:12:22.000 Sorry, Frank, do continue.
00:12:24.000 Well, isn't it interesting that they both honor the same guy?
00:12:27.000 I mean, there are many people like this who they get on and they could pick someone new.
00:12:31.000 And to me, it suggests that almost that there's sort of like a script that they're both running by, that there are powerful people that are are kind of helping them with their message.
00:12:40.000 So they're moving right into the exact same message.
00:12:42.000 They didn't come up with anything new.
00:12:44.000 And it's very timely that this is happening now, because Leo just came out with his exhortation, 100 pages to Lexi Tei.
00:12:50.000 It's been roundly condemned by traditional Catholics as a communist screed.
00:12:55.000 Again, all about equality and the poor and the poor are a sacrament. 0.98
00:13:00.000 The poor are Christ.
00:13:02.000 The poor are God.
00:13:03.000 Why is this?
00:13:05.000 It shows the reason why they're mentioning this now is not for the perversion.
00:13:08.000 It's for the communism.
00:13:10.000 He honored him for being a communist, starting a commune, telling people to fight the rich.
00:13:15.000 They don't say fight the rich anymore like they did back in the 60s.
00:13:18.000 Now they say change the structures.
00:13:21.000 We need new structures.
00:13:23.000 But the perversion goes along with it.
00:13:25.000 And Francis always said that doesn't really matter.
00:13:28.000 Those are small sins.
00:13:30.000 The important thing is the new structures.
00:13:32.000 But you know, as Catholics, that they go together.
00:13:37.000 I'm sorry, folks, that we've had to read this out on the show today.
00:13:43.000 But this is the horror of what is going on by the people expect us to blindly give them obedience.
00:13:50.000 This letter was written in 1959.
00:13:53.000 But the guy who wrote it, I think he died in the early 70s, didn't he?
00:13:57.000 72 or perhaps.
00:13:59.000 But the guy who wrote it is being held up, I repeat, by Bergoglio as a model for priests.
00:14:06.000 And the current papal pretender, Leo XIV himself, as a prophet.
00:14:13.000 And this guy, Don Milani, he called the then Pope.
00:14:17.000 No, 59, so Pius XII would just have...
00:14:21.000 Excuse me.
00:14:22.000 In 52, it's a separate letter.
00:14:23.000 He called Pius XII, who was then Pope, the last undoubted true Catholic Pope who died in 58.
00:14:30.000 He called Pius XII...
00:14:32.000 Yeah.
00:14:36.000 Okay.
00:14:37.000 Yeah.
00:14:38.000 Okay.
00:14:39.000 And before we move on, I just...
00:14:41.000 Nice.
00:14:42.000 The final update is that in 2017, Pope Francis left the Vatican to go and visit and pray at the tomb of this priest, Don Milani, who died in 1967.
00:14:57.000 There it is.
00:14:58.000 He died in the late 60s.
00:15:00.000 67.
00:15:01.000 That is the guy that these people think is to be held up as a model for priests and a prophet.
00:15:08.000 The people who do that, I will resist them with every molecule in my being.
00:15:13.000 And more than that, for the faithful that don't have the platform of the war room at their disposal,
00:15:23.000 that is to say, people, the vast majority of lay Catholics, I will speak up in your name as well.
00:15:28.000 Frank Walker, you would do too, constantly with your website, Canon 212.
00:15:32.000 We'll be coming back later, sadly, for further depredations in the Catholic Church.
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00:16:46.000 Jenny Holland.
00:16:48.000 I first came across Charles Murray, the political scientist, when I was at university, with one of the most famous books, I think, on social science since the Second World War.
00:17:05.000 Famous also because of its controversial linking between IQ and races, the book called The Bell Curve, and many people will have heard of that book.
00:17:17.000 And Charles Murray was one of the two co-authors.
00:17:20.000 He's come out an article which you flagged up.
00:17:23.000 Very interesting.
00:17:25.000 Tell us a bit about what Charles Murray has published yesterday.
00:17:30.000 Yeah.
00:17:31.000 So you're right.
00:17:33.000 Charles Murray gained infamy, actually, from the 90s onwards with the publication of The Bell Curve.
00:17:42.000 And he is affiliated now with the American Enterprise Institute.
00:17:45.000 He's a social scientist of long standing.
00:17:48.000 He was also the subject of a very sort of brutal cancellation in 2017 when he was shut down and almost attacked, really, by a group of students at Middlebury College in Vermont, which is one of the things that kind of alerted me personally to how vicious the culture wars and how actually kinetic almost the culture wars were becoming.
00:18:11.000 Now, he has written a book published today and the Free Press, Barry Weiss's Free Press published an excerpt of it.
00:18:21.000 And I think there's two things that are significant here.
00:18:24.000 One is the Free Press element, because as it was widely reported a couple of weeks ago, the Free Press has been bought by Paramount and that Barry Weiss has gone to head up CBS News.
00:18:37.000 So the Free Press really represents the new and developing establishment, a new liberal, non-woke establishment.
00:18:47.000 So these are not right wingers. This is not MAGA.
00:18:51.000 They are they've been consistently anti-woke, but they again, they're not MAGA.
00:18:58.000 And yet they keep returning to this idea of God. And I think that's very interesting and very telling.
00:19:03.000 They did a piece a few months ago about God in the tech world in Silicon Valley.
00:19:10.000 They hosted a debate with Ayaan Hirsi Ali earlier this year, whether we need a resurgence of God and now this.
00:19:17.000 So clearly, even in the mainstream liberal, non-woke elite and because really strongly must emphasize the free press is the liberal, non-woke elite, the highest echelon of it.
00:19:31.000 There is a attention being paid to how much God is is really needed.
00:19:40.000 And Charles's piece was very interesting.
00:19:43.000 In many ways, it resonated with me personally, because my father and my family I grew up in was similarly sort of science oriented and liberal in a classical sense.
00:19:54.000 And he describes, interestingly, what he described as his secular catechism growing up.
00:19:59.000 So he's a very much a typical liberal boomer, joined the Peace Corps straight out of college in the 60s, very idealistic and globally minded.
00:20:09.000 And he described the secular catechism as focusing on three points.
00:20:13.000 One is that science and God are fundamentally incompatible.
00:20:18.000 Two is that humans are animals and our consciousness dies with our animal bodies.
00:20:26.000 And three was that religion universally, including Christianity, but all religions are human inventions that are meant to help us reconcile with the reality of death.
00:20:39.000 And there's no evidence to support Christianity or any other religion.
00:20:44.000 And he is finding that now in his 70s, I suppose, not a bit older, that he's finding what he now calls this very unreflective.
00:20:56.000 So the piece is very sort of mild mannered, not to say milquetoast.
00:20:59.000 I don't want to be unkind.
00:21:01.000 But he describes as sort of being nudged along the way and in ways that I find fairly familiar.
00:21:08.000 My own and I and I end up in a similar position, very open to Christianity, but not fully not.
00:21:17.000 I haven't fully converted or anything like that.
00:21:19.000 And he's he's kind of at the same point.
00:21:21.000 But where I am coming from, what's driving me towards it are much more visceral realities that he does not mention in this excerpt, like the transing of children and the crazy other terrible things that we've done to children and young people under so-called liberal paradigm and secular paradigm. 0.85
00:21:39.000 But he he's kind of coming to the same conclusion, which is that humans have a fundamental need for not just a spiritual element, which we do, but also a sort of benign moral authority that kind of oversees us all.
00:21:58.000 So I thought that was a very interesting take.
00:22:00.000 And he also refers to having a God shaped hole, right, even though he didn't realize that at the time.
00:22:09.000 Yeah, he does.
00:22:10.000 You know, he mentions that he had one of the things that he was lucky enough to never experience despair and sort of like a long, dark night of the soul, which surprised me, given what he went through with the Velcro.
00:22:21.000 But I'll take him at his word that that that kind of terrible event that happened that drives you to God because you're crying out for mercy.
00:22:32.000 He says he's never experienced that.
00:22:34.000 So he's coming from it in a very kind of scientific, rational way, which, you know, I don't know.
00:22:41.000 I mean, I think you can have an argument about that, but I suppose whatever gets you to where you need to go is not a bad thing.
00:22:48.000 And again, I cannot stress this enough.
00:22:51.000 The most interesting thing about this is that it is coming from the sort of most tweed jacket, polite Ivy League, you know, chin scratching world and not at all a fire breathing, passionate Christian community. 0.57
00:23:12.000 So this is, I think, really what this is saying as sort of as mild mannered as this piece is, you know, this is not passion of the Christ by any means.
00:23:21.000 I think it's just yet another piece of evidence that there's these green shoots coming up in very unexpected places and not coming from the Catholic Church itself.
00:23:35.000 Charles Murray, in the social science world, Charles Murray's a household name, a very, very well known guy.
00:23:44.000 So I think this book really comes, there's something providential about this book coming out at this particular time.
00:23:50.240 Is it the sort of book that from what you've studied of this extract today, this article in the Free Press,
00:23:58.060 is this a sort of book that you would give to people who are on the same sort of journey as you are, Jenny, which, in your own words, is open towards Christianity, but not necessarily yet sort of signing off.
00:24:14.640 Let's put it like this, signing off on all of the dogmas of the traditional Catholic faith.
00:24:19.080 Is that, do you think this book would help people, especially, as you say, because it's coming really from a science background, rather than an overtly proselytizing intention?
00:24:37.840 Definitely.
00:24:40.200 Definitely, yeah, I think that sounds accurate.
00:24:42.080 I don't know if I would, personally, it seems like, he's coming at it from a very professorial and measured angle.
00:24:50.100 And I, so I think it would be, it would be a very good introduction for someone who shares that temperament or that background.
00:24:58.780 Personally, that is not me.
00:25:01.200 I am neither professorial nor mild manner.
00:25:04.700 And I, I personally am being driven toward belief in the Christian faith from very much a position as a mother who sees great harms being done to children in the secular world.
00:25:18.400 But it's very, very important that we have the right people to speak to the right audience at the right time.
00:25:25.160 And it seems to me that this Charles Murray book may, in fact, be that, and that it may bring to these very rarefied kind of campus environments.
00:25:36.560 I don't mean the crazy woke campus, I mean the sort of older generation.
00:25:40.900 The idea that God is acceptable and, in fact, necessary.
00:25:45.720 That is to say that you can subscribe to Christian faith in a rational, through rational argument as well.
00:25:59.300 There's no contradiction between accepting a huge part of the scientific modern explanation for the world and supernatural Christian faith.
00:26:11.300 That they're not, there's not the tension between the two, that a lot of, that a lot of people, without thinking too much about it, automatically assume there to be, right?
00:26:21.460 Yes.
00:26:22.220 And also that you, you might, you may, in fact, be able to be a professed Christian and also be part of polite society and the dinner party circuit.
00:26:32.000 It's a long time, Jenny Holland, since anyone has considered me to be part of polite society, and that includes being on the dinner party circuit.
00:26:44.640 So I think that boat, as far as I'm concerned, sailed quite some time ago.
00:26:51.260 Stay with us, Jenny.
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00:31:17.040 Well, in 10 minutes, we'll be back with Jenny Holland to learn more about the absolute decimation of the Catholic faith in the once former Catholic island. 0.74
00:31:31.080 But I think all of the stories today are of a piece.
00:31:33.660 Frank Walker, I'm sure you'll agree with me that there's a certain winning theme through this.
00:31:38.000 Let's go now to Florida, to your neck of the woods.
00:31:42.000 Father, former father, he has been defrocked, but Father Neil Doherty.
00:31:48.400 This is a guy who has been described, and I quote, as probably the most prolific paedophile priest in U.S. history.
00:31:59.940 Tell us a bit about Father Doherty.
00:32:02.660 Yeah, well, this is close to home.
00:32:04.800 They say he's probably responsible for molesting thousands.
00:32:10.300 I don't know how that's even possible, but that's what this article says about him.
00:32:14.020 He's convicted of a string of sex offenses more than a decade ago.
00:32:18.460 He was sentenced to 15 years in jail.
00:32:20.280 Now, he was in the neighboring parish to mine when I was a kid.
00:32:25.140 This goes back to when I was a kid.
00:32:27.100 I have friends who were altar boys in this guy's parish, and they were in the choir.
00:32:31.240 And they mentioned that what he would do was he would invite the kids in the neighborhood.
00:32:36.000 And I remember that neighborhood.
00:32:38.620 The parish was in the middle of a neighborhood.
00:32:40.720 It wasn't like out on a highway or anything.
00:32:42.480 And kids would be playing around there.
00:32:43.880 Back then, in those days, kids were free.
00:32:46.940 And they weren't all kept inside, and he would catch them.
00:32:50.940 For 20 years, he was pastor, I think, around 20 years in this parish.
00:32:55.380 Anyway, they ended up finally getting him on a victim that he raped around 1995 when he was around 16 years old, multiple times.
00:33:05.080 And it's part of many lawsuits that have gone into.
00:33:07.320 They set up almost three quarters of a million dollars they've already paid out.
00:33:10.800 That's what they have released.
00:33:13.680 I've been fought against the diocese in the past five years.
00:33:16.160 And when he was there, Bishop Edward McCarthy at the time, who actually gave me my confirmation, he knew about this.
00:33:25.720 In fact, they knew about this in the 50s before they ordained him because they used to screen for these things.
00:33:31.160 But at some point, everything switched.
00:33:33.280 And not only did they screen them out, but sometimes they screened them in.
00:33:36.540 I think they did a lot of that, too.
00:33:38.680 And it's just amazing.
00:33:40.280 Things were very different back then.
00:33:42.260 You know, they put them in classes.
00:33:44.360 They put them, they sent them away for psych evaluation.
00:33:47.140 In the 90s, they said they shouldn't be around kids, but nothing was done.
00:33:52.280 Yeah, after he spent 10 years behind bars.
00:33:54.300 Now he's still alive.
00:33:55.560 He's just moved away from the Miami Archdiocese and up to Orlando, and he's on the list.
00:33:59.980 But he used to hypnotize children and drug them before the abuse.
00:34:04.460 Nobody had any idea about this.
00:34:08.220 I just, I remember this, I think this ties in with everything else.
00:34:11.900 I remember being confirmed by this bishop who did nothing about this pastor.
00:34:15.400 And he had a little plaque, and he taught us, the love in our hearts wasn't put there to stay.
00:34:20.040 Love is not love until given away.
00:34:22.760 You know, and that's a wonderful, very warm-hearted thing to say.
00:34:26.620 It reminds me of Leo's church.
00:34:28.740 It reminds me of the priest of caring that we just learned about, Don Milani, and how much love he had for those boys that were in his school.
00:34:36.640 It's exactly that.
00:34:39.040 That is exactly the case.
00:34:40.940 They use these little pious expressions that means one thing to the Catholic parents, to the parish, and to the laities.
00:34:52.900 They all know that it means something completely different, because, as you say, the church used to screen out its applicants for ordination, guys with these tendencies.
00:35:07.640 And then at around this stage, it was right, I think it was the 20 years before the Second Vatican Council and the 20 years following it.
00:35:15.220 That was most of where these abuses took place, 20 years before the council, 20 years after.
00:35:21.040 Then they started screening him.
00:35:24.040 They wouldn't let you go forward for ordination if you weren't part of the Lavender Mafia, as we say from time to time on the show. 1.00
00:35:31.720 You mentioned that psychological evaluation, Frank Walker.
00:35:35.160 I just want to repeat that, right?
00:35:36.900 They knew.
00:35:37.860 They knew.
00:35:39.940 They knew.
00:35:40.660 They said this psychological evaluation in the 1990s indicated that this priest, Father Doherty, should not have any access to children.
00:35:53.240 And yet he was.
00:35:54.340 As you said, he allowed, he encouraged kids to come and play in the playground of the parish, where he picked this guy, John Doe, number eight,
00:36:05.420 and repeatedly raped him, this 16-year-old boy, in the mid-90s.
00:36:11.820 Because how can you love a boy to the bone, right, or whatever the expression was that Father Milani used, 0.98
00:36:18.860 unless you then basically, you know, commit pedoasty on him, sodomy on him, on a boy, right?
00:36:26.220 How convenient to institutionalize this and bless it now, you know, if they can just get the Catholic Church to actually make this all seem okay, 0.86
00:36:35.180 even to the point of with children, then imagine all the money that they could save.
00:36:39.640 Imagine all the trouble, because you can see that this culture is a culture that they were all in, that they've supported.
00:36:45.860 And we have another story here about in New Orleans that I was just looking at.
00:36:50.080 The guy was very well connected.
00:36:51.800 It's been years, years, I'm trying to attract this Father Ford, who was in the government, who knew the judges,
00:36:59.920 who counseled the New Orleans, who is now in a big bankruptcy case,
00:37:03.880 counseled them how to use the same PR that the New Orleans Saints do to try to fight against it.
00:37:10.440 The more connected you are, the more you get away with it.
00:37:14.720 Imagine how they are now, connected to the globalists.
00:37:17.540 I mean, they have no choice.
00:37:19.120 They have to be spouting this globalist religion, because otherwise they're in a lot of trouble, you know.
00:37:24.880 It works very well to have these connections in the Church.
00:37:27.940 This is the culture we have, you know.
00:37:30.180 But the secular world gave us this, and Ben said, you know, it's our place to try to recover it as secular people, as lay people.
00:37:38.660 Bishop Sheen says it's up to the lay people to give the Church back.
00:37:41.620 And having the lay people rise up and fight against these anti-Catholic things has been going on throughout history.
00:37:47.260 It's not un-Catholic.
00:37:48.640 It's part of our history.
00:37:49.680 We own it.
00:37:50.400 We have a right to defend the Church from this culture, which you can see is metastasized now.
00:37:56.240 So this guy here, Father Doherty, he says,
00:37:59.380 The Archdiocese of Miami knew as early as 1958 that he was unsafe to be around children.
00:38:07.740 1958.
00:38:08.820 So that was the year I plugged out at the beginning when we were talking about Don Milani in Italy, right?
00:38:13.160 That was 1959, that letter that we cited in the first half of the show.
00:38:20.500 That's like Florida and Italy.
00:38:23.460 This is right across the world, right?
00:38:25.160 And you'll say, well, okay, after the crisis, the scandal blew out to full international attention in 2002, things have changed.
00:38:37.760 Well, what has changed is the rhetoric from our bishops and our cardinals and the popes.
00:38:43.060 The rhetoric has changed.
00:38:45.320 But as, Frank, we've been covering on this show over recent months, the reality apparently hasn't really changed that much.
00:38:52.620 What have we highlighted on this show?
00:38:54.100 We've been highlighting dioceses where there's like vicar generals who are appointed, who've gone to prison, right?
00:39:03.580 The number two after the bishop, which was the diocese in France, the number two, the vicar general, number two after the bishop.
00:39:14.360 He had been to prison.
00:39:16.740 He had been to prison.
00:39:18.780 And they're canonizing.
00:39:19.780 And they're canonizing. 0.97
00:39:20.660 He had been to prison for raping boys, right?
00:39:24.720 And they put him in as the number two of the diocese in France. 0.77
00:39:28.920 It might have been Lyon.
00:39:29.960 I can't remember now, right?
00:39:31.700 And they used the justification was mercy, right?
00:39:37.500 That's right.
00:39:38.160 It was mercy.
00:39:38.740 Mercy towards the wounded.
00:39:41.320 Mercy towards the wounded is what's needed.
00:39:43.120 And they're calling these people prophets from the very top of the church.
00:39:47.940 And they're making saints out of the bishop, the priest that we did a while back ago, the Jesuit.
00:39:55.000 The head of the Jesuit order looked the other way, just like this bishop in Miami.
00:39:58.840 He looked the other way for a long, long time.
00:40:01.160 These cases, you know, if they disappear from the list of priests, this priest, Father, the one that they just picked up in Indiana that worked in New Orleans, four times he disappeared, four times in the list as members of clergy.
00:40:17.780 That means that four times he was caught in New Orleans, in Dallas, in New Mexico.
00:40:23.120 And this happened to another priest.
00:40:24.760 And they're canonizing them.
00:40:26.660 They're calling them prophets.
00:40:28.500 And so we know it's a part of the church.
00:40:30.380 And they say 62% of Catholics still think it's a problem just because they see with their own eyes.
00:40:36.840 Frank, false popes praise false prophets.
00:40:42.020 That is the only conclusion I can draw from this false popes pull out for emulation false prophets. 0.88
00:40:51.920 And you mentioned the head of the Jesuits just now.
00:40:53.820 I don't know if that's General Father Sosa, right?
00:40:58.040 Father de Sosa, Father de Sosa.
00:41:00.380 Now it is, yeah.
00:41:01.380 Okay.
00:41:01.820 Today.
00:41:02.280 Okay.
00:41:02.780 Okay.
00:41:03.380 Jesuits, the same order.
00:41:04.900 Yes, of course, you're right.
00:41:06.060 But it's Father Sosa, the current guy, who famously said, scandalously said, that when someone had highlighted our Lord's criticisms of adultery or something like that, he said,
00:41:24.700 he said, you know, we didn't have a tape recorder in those days to record our Lord's words to be able to quote him precisely.
00:41:33.040 That's what these people are like.
00:41:34.340 They have the highest positions in the church.
00:41:36.740 It's a grift, Frank Walker.
00:41:38.040 It's a grift, what these people do.
00:41:41.280 They have the highest positions in the church.
00:41:43.500 They could not care less.
00:41:44.880 They could not care less what our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ says.
00:41:49.000 They dismiss it and say, oh, well, you know, we didn't have a tape recorder.
00:41:52.880 And they, on the flock, it's not just that these people are hiling shepherds.
00:41:59.840 On the flock, they unleash these predators.
00:42:03.480 That is, sadly, all we have time for on this one.
00:42:08.660 I'm sure next Wednesday we'll be back with more horror stories.
00:42:12.560 But we must quickly get to Jenny for the last story of the show.
00:42:17.680 Stay with us, Frank.
00:42:18.900 We'll be back to you for the socials at the end of the show.
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00:44:11.140 And the absolute decimation of Catholic Ireland.
00:44:17.040 Just to pluck one statistic out here.
00:44:20.540 In the last 30 years, the number of working priests has fallen from 6,000 priests to 2,000.
00:44:32.540 In the UK, there are only 16 young guys who are going forward for ordination this year.
00:44:40.200 And 13 in Ireland itself.
00:44:45.540 This is the springtime.
00:44:47.620 This is the consequence, the results of the springtime were promised at the Second Vatican Council.
00:44:53.640 It's been absolutely...
00:44:55.320 I cannot think of any institution that has been more damaged by a set of decisions than the Catholic Church
00:45:01.760 has been damaged by the Second Vatican Council.
00:45:04.500 And it is amazing to me that the hierarchy, the institution of the Catholic Church responsible for unleashing this failure 0.95
00:45:16.260 and incompetence on the Catholic Church is still pushing ahead with it after 70 years.
00:45:23.980 It's full steam ahead into this iceberg.
00:45:29.280 Jenny, you're in Ireland.
00:45:31.020 You're the island of Ireland.
00:45:32.380 Yeah.
00:45:32.880 The northern part of it.
00:45:34.380 Tell us more about what is going on over there right now.
00:45:39.040 Yeah, well, I am a native of Ireland, and I do live on the island of Ireland, as you said.
00:45:47.820 This is a shocking article.
00:45:50.020 I mean, I am very, very familiar with how secular Ireland has become.
00:45:54.180 My experience of it in the 90s and to the present day is of a country that is vastly secularized.
00:46:01.840 And I have very few memories of the old Catholic Ireland that my father would have grown up in.
00:46:07.580 But, yes, 13 men have joined the seminary this year in Ireland.
00:46:13.640 And that was reported by the UK Sunday Times this weekend.
00:46:17.320 13 men in all of the country.
00:46:20.040 The story also reports a survey from the Iona Institute, which is a Catholic think tank,
00:46:28.680 saying that 16% of Irish Catholics go to Mass weekly.
00:46:33.400 16.
00:46:34.160 1.6%.
00:46:35.760 Down from something in the 90s, 90% mark, you know, a couple of decades ago.
00:46:43.060 I mean, these numbers are so low.
00:46:47.380 Jenny, let me stop you on that one.
00:46:49.660 Because this couldn't be clear.
00:46:54.440 At the time, I think 1962, which was the year that the Second Vatican Council was called,
00:47:05.420 9 out of 10 Catholics, as you say, 90%.
00:47:08.480 9 out of 10 went to Mass every week.
00:47:13.040 And that is now down, thanks to David Quinn.
00:47:15.080 At the Iona Institute in Dublin, down to 16%.
00:47:19.480 That is an absolute decimation.
00:47:21.340 From 99.0% to 16.
00:47:27.300 Right?
00:47:28.300 Couldn't be starker.
00:47:29.220 Couldn't be clearer.
00:47:29.940 And I would somewhat...
00:47:32.080 I wouldn't put it on Vatican II, necessarily. 0.91
00:47:36.380 Where I would place the blame for this is 100% on the sexual hypocrisy of the church leadership and the church structure.
00:47:49.900 The Irish population, and this is very much how the liberal, secular Ireland perceives it, okay?
00:47:58.580 Their argument is that the Irish church oppressed women and children throughout Ireland since the founding of the Republic and before,
00:48:09.080 and then was turned around to be found to be flagrantly abusing children. 0.84
00:48:17.260 So it's the sexual hypocrisy that you guys were talking about in the first segment with that jaw-dropping letter that you mentioned, 0.74
00:48:23.580 written in 1959 by a priest who is now being celebrated by the Popes, okay?
00:48:29.700 So this absolute baked-in rot, this endemic do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do attitude towards sexuality, Ireland really got the rough end of that, very much so.
00:48:44.600 And I don't think that can really be debated that much.
00:48:48.160 As a result, there has been, as this article says, a complete collapse of trust in the church.
00:48:55.780 And there's a few very poignant anecdotes of a few priests who were soldiering on and describing what is even,
00:49:03.860 the most shocking part isn't the numbers.
00:49:05.820 The most shocking part is a bishop who is a traditional Catholic, a bishop of Waterford, I believe, 0.95
00:49:13.480 describing the church as almost, the priesthood is almost an underground movement.
00:49:19.520 And he's encouraging young men to go into the priesthood as a sign of a counterculture.
00:49:25.180 So what has happened in Ireland, and it's happened very fast, I have to say, because I was still living,
00:49:31.400 I was a university student when the divorce referendum came in.
00:49:34.440 So it's within my lifetime, within my adult lifetime that this has happened.
00:49:38.560 The Irish population seems to have replaced, almost wholesale, the Catholic religion with a fealty to woke religion.
00:49:48.220 So the end result for Ireland has not been some sort of freedom and liberation.
00:49:52.800 It has been an adoption of a new set of incredibly false beliefs that are quite damaging.
00:49:59.140 And one of the things that actually really made me quite sad was at the end of the article,
00:50:03.360 they talk about how GAA, which is the Gaelic Athletic Association, which is their sort of,
00:50:08.960 their big sporting body, it's their national sport of hurling and Gaelic football,
00:50:14.700 has, is the new church.
00:50:16.100 So they're able to build these wonderful new facilities.
00:50:19.720 But the GAA is also quite woke.
00:50:22.080 The GAA, for example, operates a club in Palestine.
00:50:25.900 So Palestine has more resonance and more power over the Irish imagination and more loyalty than the actual Catholic Church.
00:50:34.200 That is shocking.
00:50:35.080 Shocking, but a sign of the times.
00:50:38.700 And to support what you're saying, Jenny, among the 40% who view the Catholic Church unfavourably,
00:50:45.020 73% said it was because of, you guessed it, the abuse scandals.
00:50:49.860 Jenny, where do people go to keep up with you on Substack?
00:50:52.660 I know your Semper Femina site always gets ever more followers on Twitter.
00:50:58.660 But tell me about Substack and Twitter.
00:51:02.280 Yes, please, please follow my Substack as well.
00:51:06.900 It's jennieeholland.substack.com.
00:51:10.060 And yes, I am Semper Femina, because I'm not changing.
00:51:13.400 Semper Femina 21 on X.
00:51:16.920 And Frank Walker, where do people go to keep up with you and the aforementioned Canon 212?
00:51:23.500 Canon 212 with one N, type it up in the address bar.
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