WarRoom Battleground EP 880： The WarRoom’s Weekly Round-Up Of Scandals In The Catholic Church With Ben Harnwell And The Team
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Steve and Hanwell are joined by Frank Walker to talk about Pope Leo XIII and the Catholic Church. They discuss the scandalous revelation that a Roman Catholic bishop in Peru has been accused of having a number of secret lovers. They also discuss the growing threat posed to the West by mega-media outlets like CNN and the BBC.
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I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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To come and take this year to be a Muslim country.
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Change your origin from a dirty Christian as you are to your dirty mouth.
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Change your origin from a dirty Christian as you are, from your dirty mouth, your mouth is dirty, your mouth is dirty, your mouth is dirty, don't you dare ever call me a dirty Christian, don't you dare call me that, do you understand me, I'll never once try and talk to you, leave now, she called me a dirty Christian, no, I'm going nowhere, she just called me a dirty Christian, yes, you're a dirty Christian, yes, good evening, Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's war room, I thought we'd open with that clip there, this glorious clip of
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intercultural harmony, that's what's going on in Great Britain today, and if we don't win the fight to defend Christendom, the Christian nature of the West, that lady there is surely going to be correct, that's the motivating force, that's why we come out here every Wednesday evening to talk about what's new in the
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Christian sphere, Christian sphere, in the Catholic sphere, Frank Walker, last week we started off the show talking about Peru, we're going to go back to Peru, I think we're spending more time in Peru than Paddington Bear, Peru, by the way, has some great degenerate stories coming out of it,
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but the importance here geographically, is that out of this microcosm of the Catholic Church emerged the man who is acclaimed by some, perhaps widely acclaimed, but not by everyone, as being the Pope, Pope Leo.
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Frank, this is an astonishing story, and I thought I'd seen it all, I thought I'd seen it all last week, when you were telling us how this bishop, basically this German-born bishop, just announced, as you do, I mean, he'd asked for the dispensation to retire, but he announced,
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fait accompli, as you do, that he had got married, or to be canonically correct, he had attempted marriage, because he's unable, as a bishop is unable, to get married,
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and I thought, well, okay, that's going to be the last time we're going to be in Peru, on the war room, for some time, because we're not going to get another story, that's going to be that,
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so soon, how wrong I was, because another Peruvian bishop has come out, has been accused of having a number of secret lovers, tell us the sheer horror of this story, because the point is, folks, these people,
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these people who are claimed as being bishops of the Catholic Church, they lord it over the Catholic faithful, especially on matters, on political matters,
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they assume the moral authority to take away from our right as laity to decide our own political points of view on the prudential matters,
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they claim, with the status of bishops, the authority to impose all sorts of never seen before novelties on the faithful,
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and yet, behind closed doors, these people are living lives that, I don't know, they're shameful and disgraceful,
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they'd be shameful, Frank Walker, the lives that these people are living would be shameful and disgraceful if they were simply, if they were only laity, if these things were committed by the laity,
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right, that's what I want to say, the way these people live would be shameful and unchristian, if all they were, were simple laity, but no,
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they claim to be shepherds, and they claim the authority over us, to destroy the Catholic faith, impose novelties, and turn us all into pro-invasion, pro-climate fanaticism, communists.
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Tell us what is going on in Peru today, Frank Walker.
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The way that they live, it reflects their faith. This is who they really are. They talk about back in the 1500s, how depraved the popes, the way they lived, they had children and everything,
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but those men upheld the faith, the way they lived was different. The way these people live actually represents their faith.
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This is Bishop Quispe Lopez, way up near the border of Bolivia, near the Andes Mountains in Peru, and he's been, you know, this story's been bubbling out for about a year or so,
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but he's hit the international press because they say he has 17 female lovers. A couple of them are nuns.
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Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Steve would say, don't bury the lead.
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Run that figure by me again, how many? Simultaneously, right? Simultaneously.
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At the same time. 17 of them. And you're saying that some of these are actually nuns, right?
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Some of them are nuns. One is a lawyer. Only about half of them are named because they say other ones are underage,
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so they can't be named. What happened was he texted an amorous text accidentally to his cleaning lady,
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and then that started all sorts of anger. That happened.
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And then at the same time, the nun, one of his nun lovers, she texted some of this information to one of his lawyer lovers,
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a lawyer woman, and it became a battle. It turned into a fight that almost turned into blows, you know, an argument.
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And these things together hit the Vatican because the cleaning lady informed the church,
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and then the church opened an investigation, which is either kind of unusual.
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Well, anyway, they actually pretended to open an investigation, and at the same time, it hit, like, the tabloids.
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And the tabloids had a picture of his room, and the, you know, the room, they played this romantic music.
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They had pictures of him making a kissy face. They showed cigarette butts, and Casalero did Diablo liquor with all the music.
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And they found, had pictures of a condom on the bed, and that's what the cleaning lady was complaining about.
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She said, I'm the cook, not the cleaning lady. I shouldn't have to clean up this.
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You can imagine the problem. I think that's the main problem that this guy has.
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If he wants to live like this, you have to have the money for a real cleaning lady that knows that she's a cleaning lady,
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and not to report all these things to the press, and not use your cook.
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That's the problem with him. I think he had money problems because he was always looking for more money.
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I just don't think this guy is that unusual. I actually think he's pretty common.
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Yeah, but of course he has money problems. One mistress is expensive, 17 of them.
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Okay, I remember Chaucer's Canterby Tales, right?
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Do you remember the nun in the Canterby Tales who has the medallion, which has a
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amor vincit omnia, love conquers all. A nun, by the way, even in Chaucer's time, he was mocking her
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because of her lax morality. I think her spiritual children are very much alive and well in Peru right now.
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But tell me something, you say that he sent this amorous text to, um, open brackets, Frank Walker, open brackets.
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There's a bishop of the Catholic Church right now, right? Cardinal, right? If I'm not mistaken,
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who sent an amorous text by mistake? Or was it he, no, he put it out on, he put it out on Twitter.
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Yeah, the, uh, 99, um, I won't, I, I remember his name, I won't name him. A well done, Frank.
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Well, yes, there is, there is one that's been a while ago since he was.
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Stick the knife in, it was indeed Cardinal Tobin. Um, and, and we, we never heard any more about that
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particular story. So tell me precisely, he sent an amorous text here intended for, for one of his
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mistresses, one of the, the 17, one of, one of the, the harem. Um, and instead of sending it to the
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mistress, he sent it to the cleaning lady instead. Tell me something, what was the right, how do you
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keep 17 different mistresses on the go all at the same time? What kind of relationship did they have
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with one another? Were they accepting of this, these, these, these relationships and the rivalries?
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Uh, well, you know, I don't know how that works out. I don't know if anybody knows. I know that
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in harems, if you have a harem, there's probably all kinds of problems like this. You have to have
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some sort of power. You have to have a lot. I think you have to have a lot of money and power and
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control. And they said in the, in the, uh, in the, uh, you know, this is all connected to a lot of
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other bad press in Peru. This lady, Paola, uh, who gots is inserted herself here. She, she was, um,
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she's in that sodality, um, uh, big story about this, this group in Peru that has, that they connect
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to conservatives. And every time there's some bad Leo press about these kinds of things about,
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about Leo handling these, they always bring up about Leo handling, uh, these kinds of charges
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against, uh, pedophiles and things in Peru. They always bring up this sodalatum and this sodalatum
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story. And she brought it up here, linking this story to the sodalatum. But, um, the, you know,
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the, the, uh, the, um, the, the cleaning lady, there's a little piece of translated thing that
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I wanted to read to you here. She said, the Bishop's partners are Jessica, Raouz, and Noni,
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who sleeps there. The girl is from here in Puno and the soprano is Edith. The mother Sandra was his
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partner and the other girls are minors who cannot be named. He's the son of a single mother and he takes
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advantage of women. I just, I just wanted to get that line out there. That's sort of from a
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translated line. This shows you the incredible complicated life that he lives. And then another
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amazing thing is this story is this, the pedigree of this guy. This guy was a seminary professor at
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a pontifical college in Lima. So, I mean, he went to the Gregorian, which is notorious. I mean, he was,
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he was top educated. If he were in Rome, I don't think he would have these kinds of troubles. I think he
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was in a rural area and a place where the tabloids cared, but you know, if he was, if he were, I think
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he could fit in just fine. And it also shows you another thing is why ordination of women seems to
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be stalling all the time, even if it's this far along in Leo's church, because you imagine what,
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imagine what it would be like. Because they're all, they're all engaged. They're all engaged in other
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activities. Um, clearly, clearly that's the, they're too busy. They're too busy to contemplate
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a priestly vocation. Um, in the diocese of Julie, um, according to some, excuse me,
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go ahead, Frank. I want to tell you, he had a lot of money, money problems, you know, like he had a
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chicken restaurant that he was running and called legs in the air chicken. He, he tried to steal UN
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put in his chicken restaurant. I've got to hear that place. What's that place called? What was that
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place? What was that place called? Pugs in the air chicken. Oh my God. You know, you know what?
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Somebody should write this in the script. If you couldn't, you couldn't, you couldn't make this up.
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If Prevost wants, you know, if presence gets bored of his, of his current, uh, restaurant in, um,
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that he's running at a Castel Gandolfo that's being run by, by two guys. I think one guy in a,
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in a civil partnership, if he gets bored with him or wants to change the menu, he can call in this
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guy from legs in the air chicken or whatever it's called. Um, starting to open up a franchise.
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Yeah, I think there's a lot, there's a lot of opportunities for business in the church.
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According to some sources on this story, Frank, the, um, when I, I, as I, as you were talking,
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I tried to do a bit of research on this one. Apparently the 17 weren't aware of the other's
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existence. They each thought that they were the only one. What kind of diary planning? I mean,
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I can't even plan. What kind of diary planning does that take?
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Yeah, I, obviously he needed more help than he had. He really didn't have the resources for all
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this. I think he tried to embezzle UN funds from the indigenous and they were going to lynch him.
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He, uh, he had, he had embezzled from his own church funds. He tried to get them to give him a
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couple of projects for churches, tried to order the local community with, this was spayed by
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government funds to let him manage the, uh, the re the rebuilding of certain churches. So he could
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grift off of that. He just was, you know, he just was in the wrong place. I think he just didn't have
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all of the cash that he needed way up there in the Andes mountains with Jessica and Roy's and
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Nooni and Soprano Edith and everybody. Poor guy, poor guy. We should be praying for him and his,
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and his, and his heroic sacrifice. Tell me once, once again, once again, before we move on,
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what was that name? The name of that restaurant that he was running there in Peru? His excellent,
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his excellent kitchen. What was it called? No, no, it was legs in the air chicken. And he had to
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borrow chairs from the church to put in there. That's how much popular legs in the air chicken
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was. He had really nice, fancy glasses. He was a, he was a well-dressed guy from what I could
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not surprise at all. This, this guy will be known personally, but known personally to, um, they will
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be friends because they were, they will spend years together as brother bishops. Um, this guy will be
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known personally to, um, then Cardinal Prevost, the present Pope Leo. Let's see what action
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Pope Leo wants to take on this story. I'll be, I'll be keeping my cynical beady eyes
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focused on this. Um, thanks very much, Frank. Stand by. Um, Liz, we're coming to you next,
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to nine, eight, nine, eight, nine, eight. Um, Liz, there was a couple of things taking place. Um,
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important for trad, we'll come on to that later on in the show. Um, towards the end of the show,
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I have something to say about that myself, but, uh, one of the things that's taken place over recent
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days is Leo the 14th peace pageant. And if you thought the blessing of the block of ice was bad,
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um, tell me about the, that the pagan dancers and occult imagery that was the heart of this
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festival. Yes. I mean, uh, first of all, I think we should x-ray the, the segment, um, this whole
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show for war room after what, um, and I don't think I can top Frank, but Pope Leo presided over a
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walking together in hope celebration of the 60 year, um, celebration of the second Vatican council,
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declaration on internet, inter-religious dialogue. It was called Nostra Atate. Um, this is of course
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the brainchild, frankly, uh, of what Ted McCarrick had worked for, for decades, was to promote inter-religious
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dialogue. But this particular peace pageant brought pagan dancers, um, outside under, uh, under
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Constantine's bridge. Um, it had occult imagery such as the, a woman with the evil eye. This
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was in the heart of the Vatican and at Constantine's arch, Leo was there with, you know, dozens and
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dozens of leaders of every possible creed. Um, and talk in this woman with the evil eye and the sun
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dancers from, uh, down in Columbia. And it is, this is now the church that is, um, 60 years old after
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the publication of Nostra Atate. And this is inter-religious dialogue at its worst. And what,
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what, and I think this is fascinating what Leo is now talking about, because what he is saying is,
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this is a continuation of the Abrahamic declaration by Pope Francis, which is all religions are willed
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by God. And Pope Leo really sounded in my mind, like, um, John Lennon, let, give peace a chance.
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I mean, it was, he said, today, your presence bears witness that this seed has grown into a mighty tree,
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its branches reaching far and wide, the seed of inter-religious dialogue that is bringing fruits
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of understanding, friendship, cooperation, and peace. Well, frankly, that's utter nonsense. We have
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never seen more violence against Christians in the world than we do now. And of course, just because
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the Vatican is remaining quiet about this and not protesting the murder of, you know, 300 million,
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um, Christians around the world, their persecution, um, especially in Nigeria, where we have seen
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unbelievable murder and persecution at the hands of wink, wink, the Muslims. And, but this, you know,
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I want people to listen to what Lee, how Leo talks and what he's saying, this is the journey that invites
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us to continue to walk together and hope and love. I mean, he's sounding like hope and change Obama.
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And, you know, this is, you know, we're going to keep hope alive. It's utter nonsense. And this is
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indifferentism. It is the Obama, Obama. Let's just have hope and change and everything will work out
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fine. And the celebration, let's be frank. It was a pagan possession down the aisle with dance, dancers
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and music. And at the end, this is, I mean, this captures it all at the end. They bring out children
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singing what song, but Michael Jackson's we are the world, the premier Hollywood pedophile. So, you
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know, John Lennon, Michael Jackson would be very proud. This new religion is a religion of all we
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need is love. And why can't we all get along? And to me, this is plain and simple laying the groundwork
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for the new world religion, where all differences are ignored. They're swept under the rug in the name
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of love and ignoring the butchering of Christians in Nigeria, the suppression of religion in China.
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And we're in la la land at this point. That's it's just utter nonsense.
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The irony in terms of the dates, because I think the 28th of October is the anniversary of the
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battle of the Milvio Bridge when Constantine won. How funny. And of course, they're both sons of
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Obama and Leo are both sons of Illinois, right? Okay, so that's, so there's, so any, any hope
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that the, that the paganism brought, heralded in with the Pachamama idolatry that might change
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under a new, a new, a new pope, that, that hope can, can, can be confronted now as being misplaced.
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Tell me, because, uh, tell me in terms of the, the alien currents that have invaded, the alien ideological
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currents that have invaded the Vatican over recent decades. And we saw, by the way, there's, we don't have time to,
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to do this, do this, right? But we saw in the beginning of the show, the clip of what is actually going on
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in the UK right now. Uh, that, that is how people coming in to live in the, the UK from the Islamic sphere
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treat Christians there. They call, they call, they call native-born legacy Britons dirty Christians.
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Um, and there's very, you know, so you have one type of dialogue for the cameras at the Vatican
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and a very, very different reality go bubbling on and underground. Um, we've got like two and a half
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minutes left, Liz. Um, on the theme of these foreign ideologies that have invaded the Vatican,
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just say something, uh, if you wouldn't mind, because I know you've been following this, about Bill Gates
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and his apparent pivot away from the, the climate fanaticism at the very moment that the, the Vatican
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is embracing it with both hands. Well, yeah. And the, and as we know, the Vatican is not only embracing
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transgenderism, uh, Pope, uh, Leo is pushing the American bishops to embrace radical, radical, um,
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unstructured migration into the United States, illegal immigration. And of course, last week we saw
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Pope Leo bless the block of ice, um, symbolizing the warming of the world because of overpopulation.
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But interestingly, I mean, it just seems like the Vatican is behind really the movements that are
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happening. Um, Bill Gates of all people who has pushed climate change, who has funded to the
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mil, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars, um, now has come to the understanding that this has
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climate is super important. He said, but it has to be considered in terms of overall human welfare. Um,
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I didn't pick this position because everybody agrees with it. I think it's actually the right answer.
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And he is pushing back from his doomsday view, the doomsday view of, by the way, Jeff Sachs,
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the doomsday view of the tipping point Pope Leo talks about, and to make a, what he's calling a
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strategic pivot to focus on issues that have the greatest impact on human welfare. Well, I'm very
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wary of this. This is either, either in response to, um, Donald Trump who has exposed the climate,
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climate change hoax, as you call it, and spoke out very vociferously at the UN about it. And it may be
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that Gates is just giving these talking points in response to this, or it may be that Gates is reading
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the tea leaves and realizing that climate change is at the bottom of every poll. People are not concerned
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about it. There is a great understanding that this is nothing but a global elite hoax to force tyranny
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on the world. So it's interesting. I hope he closes up his wallet as a result of that. Um, I'm totally
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distrust, distrusting of anything that Bill Gates says, but in my mind, again, it's the Vatican is behind
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the ball. They, the Vatican isn't even onto this. They're keep on pushing this climate change agenda
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when, you know, the great Bill Gates is deciding that. I think we better tone down the language.
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Liz, thanks very much. We'll come back to this in just two short minutes.
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Welcome back. Well, let's, because we don't have very much time in this block and there's a lot to
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get through. Let's go straight to Jenny Holland, our resident expert in all things trans and the abuse
00:31:37.920
of the trans ideology, especially on the minds of the youth. What's this story that has emerged
00:31:44.120
in Indiana about this abortive, because I think it was stopped in time, this school massacre?
00:31:51.980
That was planned for St. Valentine's Day of all days. Tell us about this. A shocking story.
00:32:00.400
Yeah. So it's being reported that a young woman, I believe, by the name of Trinity J. Shockley,
00:32:08.560
18 years old, has pled guilty to planning a school shooting at an Indiana high school on Valentine's
00:32:19.160
Day. She's being held in a place called Martinsville, Indiana, and will plead guilty to one count of
00:32:28.220
conspiracy to commit murder. She was reported via a tip line that was set up in honor of the Sandy Hook
00:32:37.060
shooting. And so the attack was prevented. She identifies as a man and goes by the name Jamie
00:32:47.180
or Dex, according to this Newsmax article. Now, this is just the latest. Obviously, this story has
00:32:54.900
somewhat of a happy ending, slightly, in that the shooting did not occur. Obviously, it's not a happy
00:33:01.260
ending for this woman's family and wider community who will now have to face down the reality that they
00:33:07.940
had a person who wanted to kill them all in their midst. One of the very strange trends
00:33:15.840
and new things that are coming up with these recent spate of trans mass shooters is that they are
00:33:24.480
actually girls. Back in the old days, the school shooters and the mass shooters were almost universally
00:33:33.640
men. One of the very understudied and very, very dark aspects of transgender treatment, I put that in
00:33:44.160
air quotes, for children and young people, is how these synthetic cross-sex hormones actually affect
00:33:50.080
them. And I'm talking in particular, in this case, about testosterone. Obviously, this young woman,
00:33:55.920
or it's very likely, I should say, that this young woman was on testosterone, which is obviously well
00:34:02.820
known as being a hormone that kind of creates strength and aggression in men. Now, this is something I've
00:34:14.180
heard mentioned by other people as well. In 2023, I interviewed an inmate at the California women's
00:34:21.840
prison who was living with not just transgender men, i.e. women who identified as men, but men who
00:34:30.460
identified as women. And obviously, this is a very distressing reality for this woman who was serving a
00:34:35.460
life sentence and was stuck there without any hope of getting out. And one of the things she said about
00:34:41.520
the woman who was on testosterone in an effort to transition to being a man was that she was so angry
00:34:48.460
and so violent that she ripped the door off her own cell, which sounds like something out of a Marvel
00:34:54.240
movie, not like something a woman, an average woman would be able to do. So yeah, I mean, this is just
00:35:01.980
yet another example of the war on children and young people that has been perpetuated through the
00:35:11.560
internet and social media, but also largely through porn. And I'm speaking generally, I'm not speaking
00:35:19.300
to this case in Indiana. But, you know, nowhere really is safe from this menace, the psychological war,
00:35:27.140
as we saw in Utah, a red state with the murder of Charlie Kirk by an alleged transgender individual,
00:35:35.080
as we saw in the Catholic school in Minnesota, which obviously Minnesota is very lefty, but,
00:35:40.920
you know, the attack on the Catholic school, the attack in Tennessee on a Christian school in
00:35:45.160
Tennessee, and now this in Indiana, these are red states. These are mostly red states. So children
00:35:51.760
aren't safe anywhere, even in Christian communities, even in, you know, conservative communities.
00:35:59.560
And that's because they're getting almost like a demon spirit is coming down the wires and coming
00:36:05.760
in through the Wi-Fi. And, you know, you can take that metaphorically, or you can take it literally,
00:36:09.960
it's up to yourself. But this is, you know, and we are, and I want to talk as well about this report
00:36:16.460
that's indicating and provides very good evidence that we might be on the wane in this truly horrifying
00:36:23.740
development in childhood. But it's really, really still a war for children.
00:36:30.640
Before you move on to the glimmers of hope that might be coming out on this next development on
00:36:38.440
the trans front, and I'll hand over to Frank and Liz as well, if they have anything to add,
00:36:43.260
or insights from what you've just said. But the thought that strikes me is that, you know,
00:36:47.880
you have these gender conversion therapies that are being banned right across the West,
00:36:53.940
where people will go and say that they basically want to be reinforced in their biological gender
00:36:59.480
identity. And they're all being banned because they're all being told by the authorities,
00:37:04.320
no, no, you've got to embrace. If you have some doubts, you have to embrace your gender identity,
00:37:12.000
which needs to come out, you can't suppress it. The thought that strikes me is that if we had kids
00:37:17.760
coming out of the gender conversion therapy, with this propensity to violence and school massacres,
00:37:27.600
Christians would be getting arrested. I mean, they're getting arrested anyway, right? But they'd be,
00:37:32.960
and I'd say we'd have the FBI on us, but, you know, Christians have the FBI sort of tracking them down as well.
00:37:38.380
But you get the point I'm trying to say. If there was that relationship between this,
00:37:43.820
the attempts to reinforce people in their biological gender identity, and their propensity,
00:37:50.700
I don't say the propensity to violence, because obviously not all trans are violence,
00:37:54.720
but there's a link here between the trans ideology and the anger and resentment that creates in the people,
00:38:05.940
that burst out in these uncontrollable ways. But it's happening, however, it's happening over to these patients,
00:38:14.660
victims, we can call them that. And there's no word about whether really the approach on the authorities
00:38:22.860
is totally different from what it would be if it were the other way around, right?
00:38:28.680
Yeah, yeah. And I'm glad you call them victims, actually, because, I mean, I strongly believe that
00:38:34.820
they are, even the ones who might maybe, you know, in their early 20s, up to a certain point, I think,
00:38:40.940
and certainly under 18, they have absolutely been victimized by an entire industry. And you're right,
00:38:47.400
you're right. I think this is the worst of all of the bad manifestations and of all of the rotten fruit
00:38:54.740
that secular liberalism has produced. This is definitely the number one worst one. And what
00:39:00.460
has happened was the liberal thinking him or herself moral and morally superior and scientifically minded
00:39:11.340
has 100% across the board fallen for this horror ideology. And that means that when normal people
00:39:21.880
who still have common sense and understand the basics of human behavior and the human
00:39:27.300
experience said, no, wait, you can't change sex if you're a child, then we were punished, you know,
00:39:33.520
and that includes all of the Catholics. If liberal society had been able to prevent this from
00:39:39.540
happening, it would have. And I agree with you 100%. The church has been demonized by not just,
00:39:46.780
you know, um, social media, but also by the democratic party. Um, and this just shows how
00:39:53.680
wrong they were on every level. I mean, they were absolutely wrong. Every trans, uh, skeptic
00:39:59.300
has been proved 100% correct. Do you, um, just cause we've got like 90 seconds before we go to an,
00:40:06.420
uh, before I don't want to add read, uh, and then Jenny's got the other development, uh, to, to talk,
00:40:11.980
talk to us about immediately after. Do either of you two, Liz, Frank, have a, have a quick response
00:40:17.860
to what Jenny was saying, perhaps on the, on the point that she just, she just, she suggested
00:40:23.440
about the potential here for demonic infiltration.
00:40:29.780
Well, you know, they're seeing trans Antifa, there's, you know, trans Antifa, the violence
00:40:35.680
there. And, and what is so tragic is that states like Minnesota, which bar, um, conversion therapy,
00:40:45.320
there is no ability for these kids to have any, um, hope out of this. Those who have decided,
00:40:54.880
I don't want, I don't like what these drugs do. I'm not in the wrong body. They are absolutely
00:41:00.800
trapped by, you know, the Tim Walses in Minnesota who push this stuff and then take away any ability
00:41:09.120
to get help. It's absolutely demonic what they're doing to our children.
00:41:18.780
Also, there's the role, I think, of the psychotopic drugs continues to be a problem. I think that
00:41:23.340
that looked like it was a problem in the Minnesota Catholic school. And also there's a social media
00:41:28.640
aspect. The, the man that killed, uh, Charlie Kirk, he, he seemed to have sort of a network.
00:41:33.060
There's a, there's a network of, of this kind of thing going on in this trans community. And I think
00:41:37.740
that's one of the reasons why you see more women because they're reading all about it. This is where
00:41:42.600
their community is, this is where their friends are. And, uh, you know, they're following that.
00:41:46.600
So yeah, I think you see the demonic, like the demonic coming out in the, like you said,
00:41:51.440
in the testosterone and in the, the psychotropic drugs that draws actual, uh, more susceptibility
00:41:58.120
to demonic spiritual guidance. And then there's a whole, there's a whole enormous social element
00:42:04.360
that's nobody really knows about, but that's working in, in these, uh, these poor victims,
00:42:09.500
like you say, look, I'll say this, right. That I spent a number of years working both
00:42:14.560
in the British parliament, the house of commons and also the European parliament, uh, especially
00:42:20.320
working on the pro-life pro-family legislation. And I tell you, I have never felt in my life,
00:42:26.900
the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the spiritual nature of this battle than when I was involved
00:42:33.020
firsthand on that. I'm absolutely convinced that, that the demonic, the realm of the demonic
00:42:38.720
is involved in the pro-abortion, um, legislation, a thousand percent. This was before really the
00:42:45.480
trans agenda, uh, was a legislative thing. I'm talking about 15 years ago. I stopped doing
00:42:50.560
that now. Um, but the pro-trans, um, that the pro-abortion agenda, the destruction of traditional
00:42:56.780
marriage, I've never been more conscious of being involved in that spiritual battle. So
00:43:02.240
I absolutely, um, though I have, though I can't speak to the trans thing, I can absolutely believe
00:43:07.840
that that is part of the, uh, of the same thing. Folks, that's all we've got time for on this point.
00:43:13.580
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Jenny, we only have a few short minutes left at the end of the show, but just tell us the glimmer
00:44:49.320
of hope here. What is going on in Generation Z on the trans front?
00:44:54.560
So this month, we saw a report by Dr. Eric Kaufman, who is a social scientist working out of the Center
00:45:03.260
for Heterodox Social Science at the University of Buckingham in England. And he finds quite
00:45:09.200
convincingly that trans identification is in decline among young Americans. The study looks at five
00:45:17.060
different data sets covering thousands and thousands of young people. And the bullet points are that
00:45:24.100
trans-identifying young people has gone down from a peak of nearly 7% in 2023 to under 4% this year.
00:45:33.600
Now, the trans ideology or the trans manifest was manifesting itself at really building up steam in
00:45:41.880
the 2010s and then peaking in the 2020s. And the study doesn't really give strong prescriptions as to
00:45:49.980
why this is. The study does say that in the author's opinion, it is not down to a shift rightward or a
00:45:58.380
shift towards religion or traditional religion or God. And perhaps it is instead better mental health.
00:46:04.900
But I have interesting thoughts. I have some thoughts on this. It's very, very interesting to me that this
00:46:08.800
is happening. Because first of all, it is a cohort led decline. So it is the young people themselves who
00:46:16.980
are kind of moving away from this identity. I think this is due to a couple of reasons. First and
00:46:23.440
foremost, the cold light of day. You know, all of these kids are waking up to the cold light of day
00:46:30.640
as are their parents and seeing what they have done to themselves and what their parents have allowed to
00:46:35.460
be done to their children. And it just simply does not pass the test. And, you know, now that we're
00:46:41.880
seeing what transgender ideology really does to the human body and to the psyche of children, it's
00:46:48.660
simply telling on itself. The young people, I think, are also benefiting from, because the report did say
00:46:58.280
that seniors in college are more likely to be trans-identified than freshmen. Fantastic news. This means that in
00:47:05.340
four years' time, people are going to be entering into adulthood with fewer trans-identifying hang-ups.
00:47:11.460
But I think the young people have benefited greatly from the grassroots efforts, both in the United
00:47:18.560
Kingdom and in the U.S., to expose trans ideology and its impact on children and how it actually has
00:47:24.600
gone out of its way to groom children and to access children through schools and NGOs and hugely funded
00:47:32.080
efforts to really, really creepily get into the minds of children and convince them that they're born
00:47:37.920
in the wrong body. So we have things like Moms for Liberty. We have things against
00:47:41.860
Libs for TikTok or Libs of TikTok. And all of these, and the turfs of the United Kingdom,
00:47:48.640
a politically diverse group of people, including gays and lesbians, including lefties, including very
00:47:54.060
conservative people, that exposed transgenderism for the evil, grotesque abomination that it is.
00:48:03.920
So I think this is very positive. I also think with a lot of older young people, so people in their
00:48:10.880
20s, they are aging themselves out because they are maturing and they're realizing that this was a
00:48:16.180
terrible mistake. Thank you, Jenny. Thanks. I want to pick up, you know, the statistics speak for
00:48:23.860
themselves. You talk about the 2010s being the high point at 7 percent. Well, we had 12 years of
00:48:29.520
Biden and Obama, and the tide is being turned back now. I would suggest by MAGA and by Donald Trump.
00:48:36.980
That is the salvation of your children in school. Look, we have two minutes.
00:48:42.740
One thing really quick. One thing really quick. The high point was 2023, not in the 2010s. It
00:48:47.760
started in the 2010s. But 2023 was the high point. And what happened in 2023? Joe Biden had a 4th of
00:48:54.820
July party that a trans influencer, a man with silicon boobs, came on and flashed his silicon boobs
00:49:03.780
on Instagram from the White House lawn. And that was the high point and the low point of the trans
00:49:10.080
movement, in my opinion. Yeah, the high point politically, the low point morally. Look,
00:49:15.300
we've got one and a half minutes left. I want to say something about Denver. Would you kindly put
00:49:20.700
the article up for me here on Cardinals, Zupi and Burke embrace during vespers for Latin mass
00:49:27.700
pilgrimages? Considering that this show covers, thanks very much. Considering that this show covers quite
00:49:33.780
strongly developments in the trans sphere, we have to quickly mention the fact that this weekend there
00:49:39.100
was this pilgrimage in Rome at the Vatican of the Samorum Pontificum, which is the gathering of
00:49:47.240
all the traditionalists in Rome. And Cardinal Burke celebrated mass at St. Peter's. I think you are
00:49:56.380
seeing what we predicted on this show when Provost was elected. I think we're seeing the fulfillment of
00:50:03.060
this now. This is the power of Trad Inc. You're going to see a lot of neutered, castrated, conservative
00:50:10.740
voices now because they're going to say, OK, so we don't want to threaten the fact that we've been
00:50:15.120
let back into the Vatican to have this mass. And all the issues that are so important to us that we
00:50:20.840
would look to our bishops and our cardinals to defend us and speak up as they were doing to some
00:50:26.880
extent under Bergoglio. I think that's going to disappear. And I was thinking, 1593, Henry of
00:50:34.760
Navarre, Protestant pretender to the French throne. Paris didn't want him. So he said, look, I want to
00:50:44.220
be king. Paris didn't want him because he was a huge, you know, he was a Protestant. And so he said,
00:50:49.920
I'll convert to Catholicism. And his famous expression was Paris is worth a mass. And I think
00:50:56.840
that's very much Leo's approach to neutering and castrating his opposition. Rome is worth a mass.
00:51:06.400
So that will fall on the laity. It will fall on Frank Walker. It will fall on Chris Jackson. It will
00:51:12.200
fall on the warring. It will fall on the team here. Very, very quickly, guys. Jenny Holland, where do people
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go on, on, um, on Substack to keep up with you? 10 seconds. Uh, Jenny E. Holland dot Substack
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dot com. Liz, you're, where do people go? I'm in Substack as well. Your children, yourchildren.com
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