Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 882： Harnwell Interviews An Advocate Of Christian Theocracy And A Neuroscientist Specialising In War

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.700 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.940 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.200 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.120 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.540 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.300 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.240 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.500 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.900 Mega Media.

00:00:28.800 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.680 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.440 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.820 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:54.260 Good evening, Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.

00:00:58.060 We've got a great show for you over the next hour.

00:01:00.920 In fact, we're talking to who many people consider to be the honorary chaplain of the Christian nationalist movement,

00:01:09.140 Pastor Doug Wilson.

00:01:11.360 Pastor Wilson, many thanks indeed for coming on to the show.

00:01:15.380 Folks might know you somewhat in the press as being the lightning rod from liberals and progressives who believe you want to,

00:01:29.020 well, with some justice, want to restore a theocratic state to fully submit the United States to the glories that it once was, 0.77

00:01:39.640 which was a nation under God, that is under God's holy law.

00:01:44.220 This is something that I think is going to be meat and drink to the War Room audience.

00:01:49.320 Before I hand over to you, though, I've noticed that you have said that many people have said that if you get your way,

00:01:58.760 many people are listening to you, many people in the White House, many people in MAGA are listening to you,

00:02:05.580 you are an increasingly important voice in this movement.

00:02:08.960 But the accusation has been made that if Doug Wilson gets his way,

00:02:14.560 then women are going to have to be put in the red robes with the white bonnets. 1.00

00:02:18.440 You know, it's going to be, it's going to be pure handmade, handmade tale territory.

00:02:26.020 Is that a reasonable criticism?

00:02:29.080 Well, last time I was in D.C. preaching at our church plant there,

00:02:32.680 I actually talked to a couple of women in red dresses. 1.00

00:02:35.800 They were actually there.

00:02:38.600 Now, of course, I think they were paid to be there by somebody else.

00:02:41.720 But yeah, it's the whole idea.

00:02:45.440 Were they prepping for the future?

00:02:49.560 Yeah, they were in training, apparently.

00:02:55.600 This is a scare tactic thing.

00:03:00.840 It's scare tactics, right?

00:03:01.880 It's scare tactics, of course it is.

00:03:03.860 That said, I know many people will be slightly disappointed

00:03:07.120 because that's exactly what they're hoping to see.

00:03:10.480 You're clearly on the liberal progressive wing of Christian nationalism.

00:03:13.480 Nationalism just shows that we interview.

00:03:16.540 It's a broad church on the war room.

00:03:19.080 Seriously, though, tell us, the war room posse,

00:03:22.400 tell us more structurally about your thought here.

00:03:25.280 What does it mean to reestablish America as a nation under God?

00:03:29.940 And what does theocracy and theocratic state,

00:03:32.880 you have described yourself as a theocrat,

00:03:35.700 what does this mean in Doug Wilson's vocabulary?

00:03:39.180 Yeah, what it means is that is the recognition that the secular project,

00:03:46.060 the secular liberalism project has failed.

00:03:50.000 That is the claim that we can govern ourselves without reference to God.

00:03:55.740 We don't need a transcendent anchor to keep our thoughts coherent.

00:04:02.220 Such is the claim.

00:04:05.200 But after a generation or more of that,

00:04:08.060 we've gotten to the point where we don't know what a woman is. 1.00

00:04:11.840 We have someone sitting on the Supreme Court who doesn't know what a woman is. 1.00

00:04:15.840 But if you don't know what a woman is, you don't know what a human being is. 1.00

00:04:19.080 And if you don't know what a human being is, you don't know what human rights are.

00:04:22.760 And if you don't know what human rights are,

00:04:24.580 what are you doing on the Supreme Court of the United States?

00:04:26.880 So we've got the sexual revolution and the tranny insanity and kids dressing up like furries. 1.00

00:04:37.320 That basically, this is what happens when you say,

00:04:40.500 we don't need God.

00:04:41.340 All we need is science.

00:04:42.820 All we need is reason.

00:04:44.260 All we need is enlightened, liberal thought.

00:04:47.200 Well, everything's coming apart in our hands.

00:04:50.200 Basically, the recognition is that we need Christ.

00:04:55.420 It's either, as I'm fond of saying, it's either Christ or chaos.

00:04:59.360 And you just need to look around to see the chaos.

00:05:03.720 Basically, the whole thing is coming apart in our hands.

00:05:06.800 And so consequently, I think we need to cry out to the Lord.

00:05:09.440 We need to say, God, we have painted ourselves into a very bad corner.

00:05:15.800 Well, many people will say amen to that.

00:05:18.400 And it's clear, except from a Christian perspective, 0.93

00:05:20.820 that Christ needs to be the center of our social life,

00:05:24.940 of our political life, of everything.

00:05:27.600 Right.

00:05:27.860 Is there a tension?

00:05:29.040 Is there a tension?

00:05:29.880 But, you know, I'm going to ask you whether there's a tension there

00:05:32.920 between having the sovereignty of Christ

00:05:36.220 and a nation where the sovereignty, let's say,

00:05:39.900 belongs either depending on your interpretation to the people

00:05:43.260 or to the Constitution.

00:05:46.200 Tell me something about the tension there.

00:05:48.620 And also, because I have to ask you this,

00:05:50.880 what the role for non-Christians and religious minorities will be.

00:05:56.080 But more substantially than that, those two points,

00:05:58.440 tell me, because everyone who follows this show will agree

00:06:01.600 to what you said.

00:06:02.560 It's either Christ or chaos.

00:06:04.000 But how does Doug Wilson's philosophy differ

00:06:08.480 from the Common or Garden evangelical viewpoint?

00:06:12.920 Why are liberals so terrified of you?

00:06:17.220 What's the theocratic element here behind your thought

00:06:21.340 that is really driving them crazy right now?

00:06:24.680 The theocratic element is our recognition that also,

00:06:29.060 I'm not arguing for us to become a theocracy.

00:06:31.800 We are a theocracy right now.

00:06:35.080 All societies are theocratic.

00:06:37.640 The only thing that distinguishes them is who the God is.

00:06:41.520 Every social order has a God of the system.

00:06:45.780 So in a democracy, a pure democracy,

00:06:49.640 demos, the people, would be the God of the system.

00:06:53.500 The God of the system is the one past which

00:06:56.260 there is no further appeal.

00:06:58.080 Now, I believe that since all societies

00:07:01.780 are inescapably theocratic,

00:07:04.120 and the only question is who's Theo,

00:07:06.980 that theos, that God, that deity,

00:07:10.120 should be the true one, should be the true God.

00:07:12.680 And of course, as a Christian,

00:07:14.000 I believe the Christian God is the true and living God.

00:07:17.000 So that's the first thing.

00:07:18.380 The second thing is,

00:07:19.900 just touching on religious minorities

00:07:22.180 and people who don't agree,

00:07:23.440 the heritage of the West that we're trying to preserve,

00:07:27.880 that we're fighting to preserve,

00:07:29.560 is the heritage that invented liberty of conscience.

00:07:34.400 All right?

00:07:34.600 That's our baby.

00:07:35.880 That's our legacy.

00:07:37.200 That's what we did.

00:07:38.600 It is the left that denies the right of personal conscience.

00:07:43.360 And so consequently,

00:07:44.420 if we structured our laws in accordance with Scripture,

00:07:48.060 if we recognize the God of the Bible,

00:07:51.060 the God of the Bible tells us

00:07:52.620 that we are not to promulgate

00:07:55.600 our religious convictions by force.

00:07:58.540 All right?

00:07:58.760 We can, our laws that require force,

00:08:02.160 laws against murder and rape and so on,

00:08:04.360 need to have a transcendental foundation.

00:08:06.920 But that doesn't mean that you get to prosecute sins

00:08:10.460 as though they were crimes.

00:08:12.160 So in Christian theology,

00:08:14.840 there's a distinction between a sin and a crime.

00:08:17.840 I believe that crimes ought to be biblically defined

00:08:20.700 and we ought to leave a vast swath of sins alone.

00:08:25.840 So I don't want to establish a covetousness police, right?

00:08:31.700 Covetousness is a sin and it's a very serious sin.

00:08:34.600 It's in the Ten Commandments.

00:08:35.800 But I don't want covetousness police.

00:08:38.240 How do you choose?

00:08:43.720 Why not?

00:08:44.360 Why don't you want covetousness police? 1.00

00:08:46.500 Why not go along the Persian route, 0.64

00:08:50.600 the Iranian route,

00:08:52.280 and have basically sin police?

00:08:55.400 How do you choose which of the commandments

00:08:57.540 you're going to enforce

00:08:58.580 and which you're not going to enforce?

00:09:01.120 Yeah.

00:09:01.600 So the answer to that would be Bible study.

00:09:04.060 So for example,

00:09:04.740 if you read the Bible carefully,

00:09:06.060 there are certain things that the Bible prohibits

00:09:08.860 and which the Bible attaches a civil penalty to.

00:09:13.520 There are other things that the Bible prohibits,

00:09:16.060 but there's no civil penalty attached to it at all.

00:09:19.560 And so in my thinking,

00:09:21.860 I call myself a theocrat,

00:09:23.140 but also a theocratic libertarian.

00:09:25.460 I believe that in the vast swath of human endeavor,

00:09:28.840 the government ought to simply leave us alone.

00:09:30.980 And if the Bible doesn't,

00:09:34.400 and so for me,

00:09:35.540 coercion is a big deal. 1.00

00:09:37.420 And so if the state is going to coerce me on some issue,

00:09:41.240 I want them to have scriptural foundation for doing it.

00:09:45.180 So rape and murder and theft

00:09:47.560 and those sorts of things

00:09:48.680 are things that we find in the Bible prohibited as sins,

00:09:52.560 but also taught in the Bible as crimes,

00:09:55.860 treated as crimes.

00:09:56.940 But there are things that are clearly sinful,

00:10:00.920 like envy, right?

00:10:02.900 You've got envy in your heart.

00:10:04.340 But the civil magistrate is not competent

00:10:07.320 to weigh whether or not I'm envious.

00:10:11.100 We leave that to God at the last day.

00:10:13.480 And the Bible never assigns a civil penalty

00:10:16.480 for sins like envy or jealousy or hatred

00:10:21.540 or, you know, things like that.

00:10:23.400 As long as you don't take steps to act on your hatred

00:10:28.340 via murder,

00:10:29.660 then the state leaves you alone.

00:10:32.580 And so this is the thing

00:10:34.860 that a lot of people would be surprised by.

00:10:37.440 Under a theocratic libertarian order,

00:10:40.720 the average citizen would have a great deal more freedom

00:10:44.180 than he currently has.

00:10:45.800 We're not we're not ushering in a reformed despotic regime

00:10:52.020 where reformed clergymen with weird beards

00:10:54.920 are telling you or orchestrating every detail of your life.

00:11:00.080 We have that now, right?

00:11:02.280 We have that now.

00:11:03.240 They they tell me that I have to sort my garbage now.

00:11:06.780 They tell me what light bulbs I get to use now.

00:11:10.280 They tell me that I have to put a brick

00:11:12.620 in the tank of my toilet now.

00:11:14.860 You know, they're regulating every last detail of life now.

00:11:20.080 And and we're we want to get away from that.

00:11:23.980 Here in Italy, the government tells you

00:11:25.940 when you're allowed to turn your central heating on or off.

00:11:29.160 You know, George III, King George III

00:11:32.040 would blush with shame

00:11:33.980 if he saw what was going on in America right now,

00:11:38.480 that the long train of abuses

00:11:40.140 that there was the legitimate cause

00:11:42.700 for the revolutionaries to throw off the English crown

00:11:46.060 was minuscule compared to the size and scope

00:11:49.900 of the U.S. government today.

00:11:53.200 So, you know, it's not often you hear these terms.

00:11:57.420 Theocracy and libertarian welded together

00:12:00.360 in the same philosophy.

00:12:02.380 But it would make sense.

00:12:03.640 It's coherent what you're saying.

00:12:04.560 If you think about the Jews at the time of, I don't know,

00:12:07.540 the time of the New Testament, the first century.

00:12:12.200 Yeah.

00:12:12.580 I mean, there's the code of law

00:12:15.320 was effectively the Bible, the Old Testament.

00:12:18.200 And that was massively less invasive

00:12:23.500 than the full gamut of local, state, and federal government today.

00:12:28.160 Just, I have to go to a break in two minutes,

00:12:31.840 but here's a question for you

00:12:33.300 when you're talking about bringing these two things,

00:12:35.980 the state and religion, faith, together again,

00:12:40.060 bringing them back together.

00:12:42.140 The founding fathers were quite concerned

00:12:45.180 about the possibility of state power

00:12:48.280 to pollute the integrity of the Christian faith.

00:12:53.440 And that was the primary motive behind the concept, right,

00:12:56.820 of the separation of church and state.

00:13:00.280 It wasn't remotely what the secularists had in mind.

00:13:03.000 They really did.

00:13:03.920 They wanted a Christian nation,

00:13:05.240 but they didn't want the polluting political powers

00:13:08.260 to corrupt the church as the crown had done

00:13:11.380 with the established Church of England.

00:13:13.660 Right. Exactly.

00:13:15.460 Which is the case that you see.

00:13:16.900 But tell me, if you're bringing these two forces together,

00:13:19.980 how do you keep the integrity of the Christian faith

00:13:23.720 from being polluted by politicians, by the state?

00:13:29.400 I would say that I support wholeheartedly

00:13:31.960 the separation of church and state,

00:13:34.120 but that's different than the separation of morality and state.

00:13:37.520 A church is an ecclesiastical government, 0.79

00:13:41.980 and the founders did not want a national church

00:13:44.580 of the United States.

00:13:46.100 There were soft establishments at the state level,

00:13:48.920 and in three cases, hard establishments at the state level.

00:13:52.100 And I don't even think they're a good idea there, right?

00:13:55.160 I'm in favor of a soft establishment

00:13:57.200 where the state simply says the Christian faith is true,

00:14:00.500 but doesn't support any particular denomination with tax money.

00:14:04.900 That's the kiss of death for that denomination,

00:14:08.240 and it's just not good.

00:14:09.840 In Federalist 48, it says that power is of an encroaching nature,

00:14:15.680 and the Constitution is a work of theological genius

00:14:19.020 because they spread the power as thinly as possible

00:14:22.060 at the national and state levels,

00:14:24.780 and then with the separation of powers.

00:14:27.000 That's profoundly Christian.

00:14:30.740 Just hold on, Pastor Wilson.

00:14:33.820 I'm going to come back to you in just two minutes

00:14:36.700 to explore these themes further.

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00:15:31.180 Back to Pastor Wilson.

00:15:33.000 So many people listening would be slightly surprised

00:15:35.760 because the overwhelming cultural force

00:15:38.560 is obviously the secularist establishment.

00:15:40.680 To find out that at the time of the establishment

00:15:47.000 of the federal government,

00:15:49.020 there were states that actually had,

00:15:52.000 individually, on an individual basis,

00:15:55.900 a degree of establishment,

00:15:57.060 what you call soft establishment.

00:15:59.380 But the point about the Constitution

00:16:01.680 is that no force, no legal force,

00:16:05.020 would try to impose that across the whole of the nation.

00:16:07.440 Right.

00:16:08.720 The only entity that could violate the First Amendment

00:16:11.260 is Congress.

00:16:13.060 Congress shall make no law

00:16:14.420 concerning the establishment of religion.

00:16:17.180 But when the Constitution was ratified,

00:16:20.640 Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Hampshire

00:16:22.780 all had established state churches

00:16:25.940 at the state level.

00:16:27.640 And then the 14th state to come in,

00:16:30.300 Vermont,

00:16:31.180 came into the Union

00:16:32.620 with an established state church.

00:16:35.240 That was hard establishment.

00:16:36.920 South Carolina didn't have a connection

00:16:39.320 to any denomination,

00:16:40.820 but they simply said

00:16:41.880 the Protestant religion

00:16:42.980 is the faith of the state.

00:16:45.620 Right.

00:16:45.820 They simply confessed

00:16:47.420 that there was a transcendental grounding.

00:16:49.680 Now, I don't think

00:16:50.760 that hard establishment

00:16:52.620 at the state level

00:16:53.520 is a good idea either.

00:16:55.180 I'm in favor of separation

00:16:56.940 church and state everywhere.

00:16:58.280 But I can say

00:16:59.460 that it's not an unconstitutional idea.

00:17:02.060 At the founding,

00:17:04.220 the majority of the states

00:17:06.140 had a formal relationship

00:17:08.340 with the Christian faith,

00:17:10.020 overwhelmingly so.

00:17:11.600 And I simply want to return to that.

00:17:14.540 One of the striking things

00:17:15.700 is that in 1892,

00:17:17.900 there was a Supreme Court decision,

00:17:21.160 and this was over a century

00:17:22.780 after the founding.

00:17:24.280 In 1892,

00:17:25.580 there's a Supreme Court decision

00:17:27.000 called Holy Trinity

00:17:28.200 versus the United States,

00:17:29.840 which is a funny name

00:17:32.060 for this court case.

00:17:33.540 Holy Trinity was a church

00:17:34.880 in New York.

00:17:36.360 And so there was,

00:17:41.200 they had hired a British minister

00:17:42.740 and had paid his passage over,

00:17:45.420 and that was against the law,

00:17:47.120 and some zealous prosecutor

00:17:48.320 went after them.

00:17:49.700 The Supreme Court decided

00:17:51.440 in favor of the church

00:17:52.340 in a common sense way.

00:17:54.460 Okay, that's not it.

00:17:55.640 But then Justice Brewer said,

00:17:57.960 while we're on the subject,

00:17:58.980 let us remind you

00:18:00.980 that the United States

00:18:02.080 is a Christian nation

00:18:03.280 and has been since its founding.

00:18:06.060 And then Justice Brewer

00:18:07.140 went through the history

00:18:08.420 of the United States

00:18:09.200 and showed over and over

00:18:10.360 and over again

00:18:11.000 how we were a Christian nation.

00:18:13.080 Now, that was in 1892.

00:18:15.580 All right?

00:18:16.000 Now, that means that

00:18:17.280 when I was born, 1953,

00:18:19.640 the day of my birth

00:18:21.040 was closer to that

00:18:22.540 Supreme Court decision

00:18:23.880 than the day of my birth

00:18:25.300 was to our conversation today.

00:18:27.640 All right?

00:18:28.520 It wasn't that long ago.

00:18:30.540 So we were

00:18:32.280 and understood ourselves

00:18:33.620 to be a Christian nation.

00:18:35.520 And this was common knowledge

00:18:39.000 up until the Second World War.

00:18:41.740 And after the Second World War,

00:18:43.960 federal courts started

00:18:45.240 quietly insinuating

00:18:47.420 that the wall of separation

00:18:49.720 that Jefferson referred to

00:18:51.100 in a private letter

00:18:51.900 was somehow the way it was

00:18:53.700 at the founding,

00:18:54.760 the separation of church and state.

00:18:56.320 Well, yes, separation of church and state,

00:18:58.480 but that doesn't mean

00:19:00.240 separation of righteousness and state

00:19:02.040 or morality and state.

00:19:03.520 Who in their right mind

00:19:04.620 would say,

00:19:05.360 I want to be governed by people

00:19:06.860 who have absolutely

00:19:08.280 no connection to morality?

00:19:12.420 That's insane.

00:19:13.620 Right?

00:19:14.540 This is why we have experts

00:19:17.280 like you on this show.

00:19:19.220 And I thought I'd read

00:19:20.380 quite widely about

00:19:21.740 some of these things.

00:19:22.940 And you're absolutely right

00:19:25.760 to point out

00:19:26.800 that the prohibition

00:19:28.200 is on Congress here,

00:19:30.700 on establishment, right?

00:19:33.540 Now, you said

00:19:34.660 that you are against

00:19:36.800 the establishment

00:19:37.900 of a formal church.

00:19:40.720 But what you do want

00:19:41.800 is to see Christianity 0.92

00:19:43.360 have full space

00:19:45.100 in the public square.

00:19:46.900 And people to publicly confess,

00:19:48.760 obviously,

00:19:49.140 that they are inspired

00:19:50.440 by Jesus Christ.

00:19:52.360 But let me ask you

00:19:53.400 this question, right?

00:19:55.260 Let me ask you

00:19:55.900 this question.

00:19:57.380 Could President Trump,

00:19:58.680 via executive order,

00:20:01.460 establish,

00:20:01.960 could he do,

00:20:06.000 could he push out

00:20:06.780 an EO

00:20:07.280 that would broadly

00:20:08.040 adopt

00:20:08.820 what you're wanting here?

00:20:11.720 Because he's obviously,

00:20:13.400 in and of himself,

00:20:14.120 he's one of the three branches

00:20:15.260 of government, right?

00:20:16.540 He's not Congress.

00:20:17.700 He's not the Supreme Court.

00:20:18.600 He's the president.

00:20:19.740 Could he do that?

00:20:20.820 Would that be constitutional

00:20:22.020 for you?

00:20:22.900 Is that something

00:20:23.380 that you would urge

00:20:24.640 him to consider,

00:20:26.300 to establish Christianity

00:20:27.820 formally

00:20:28.540 as the religious

00:20:30.800 and cultural basis

00:20:32.220 of the United States?

00:20:34.740 I don't know

00:20:35.920 that an executive order

00:20:37.280 would be the way to do it.

00:20:38.620 I would prefer,

00:20:39.420 just aside from

00:20:40.440 a constitutional amendment,

00:20:42.820 there are things

00:20:43.600 that I think we could do,

00:20:44.940 like a joint proclamation

00:20:46.820 of Congress.

00:20:48.280 So all Congress has to do

00:20:50.220 is pass a resolution

00:20:51.680 saying that it is

00:20:53.520 our conviction

00:20:54.140 and it is the opinion

00:20:55.440 of the Senate

00:20:56.700 and the House

00:20:57.260 that Jesus rose

00:20:58.480 from the dead

00:20:59.120 and have the president

00:21:01.920 sign it.

00:21:02.640 That would keep

00:21:03.480 the liberals busy

00:21:05.220 for a while

00:21:05.780 because you're not

00:21:07.520 doing anything

00:21:11.420 that requires

00:21:13.660 anything of anybody,

00:21:14.980 but you're simply

00:21:15.780 testifying.

00:21:17.820 Yeah.

00:21:18.180 I think that mirrors 0.93

00:21:19.460 the Polish situation

00:21:20.840 and the Irish Constitution

00:21:23.260 which takes its inspiration

00:21:25.220 from the Holy Trinity.

00:21:27.260 However,

00:21:28.500 to stay on this point,

00:21:30.660 to stay on this point,

00:21:31.380 obviously,

00:21:32.260 obviously,

00:21:33.220 some kind of law

00:21:34.880 passed by Congress

00:21:36.620 would be,

00:21:37.320 or resolution

00:21:37.840 passed by Congress,

00:21:38.880 would be the most,

00:21:40.180 would be the most,

00:21:42.700 permanent way.

00:21:43.660 However,

00:21:44.440 circumventing the fact

00:21:45.620 that Congress

00:21:46.320 shall establish

00:21:48.240 no religion,

00:21:49.420 why,

00:21:50.940 as a first step

00:21:51.860 before you get

00:21:53.480 your majorities

00:21:54.280 in both houses

00:21:55.600 of Congress,

00:21:56.580 why not push

00:21:58.060 the president

00:21:58.880 to push out

00:22:01.520 an EO

00:22:02.200 adopting most

00:22:04.600 of what you want

00:22:07.120 to achieve?

00:22:08.520 Because he's not

00:22:08.960 constitutionally prohibited,

00:22:10.080 is he?

00:22:10.600 He's not Congress.

00:22:11.220 No,

00:22:11.440 he isn't.

00:22:12.340 An executive order

00:22:13.580 could be something like,

00:22:15.560 I am directing

00:22:16.500 all the offices

00:22:18.700 in the executive branch

00:22:20.120 to celebrate Christmas

00:22:21.640 and the birth

00:22:23.520 of our Lord Jesus Christ.

00:22:24.680 He could,

00:22:25.860 but his executive orders

00:22:27.360 have to be directed

00:22:28.740 to entities

00:22:30.240 he has actual authority

00:22:31.560 over

00:22:31.940 to tell them

00:22:33.080 to do something.

00:22:34.540 Right?

00:22:35.320 So,

00:22:36.200 I would be in favor

00:22:37.500 of something like that.

00:22:39.940 They can acknowledge

00:22:41.020 that Jesus Christ

00:22:41.920 is the Son of God

00:22:42.900 and Savior.

00:22:44.360 They can acknowledge

00:22:45.260 that Jesus Christ

00:22:47.600 was born

00:22:48.100 for the salvation

00:22:48.780 of man,

00:22:49.320 right?

00:22:49.980 That would be

00:22:50.460 a phenomenal,

00:22:51.840 right?

00:22:52.180 That would be

00:22:52.680 an absolutely

00:22:53.600 phenomenal maneuver.

00:22:56.520 Right.

00:22:57.400 Yes.

00:22:58.320 And it would be

00:22:58.760 pretty festive

00:22:59.300 for a couple of months

00:23:00.200 afterwards.

00:23:00.460 And it would keep

00:23:01.000 the liberals busy.

00:23:03.820 as you said.

00:23:05.740 Tell me a bit,

00:23:07.020 because we've only got

00:23:07.780 two minutes left now,

00:23:08.860 tell me a bit

00:23:09.820 about your book

00:23:10.860 that the frequently

00:23:11.620 shouted questions

00:23:13.260 about Christian nationalism.

00:23:15.880 Yeah,

00:23:16.440 a few years ago,

00:23:17.440 our publishing house

00:23:18.560 here,

00:23:18.840 Canon Press,

00:23:19.860 published Stephen Wolf's book,

00:23:21.440 The Case for Christian Nationalism. 0.87

00:23:23.340 And then shortly after that,

00:23:24.680 I published a book,

00:23:26.000 Mere Christendom,

00:23:27.220 and arguing for the basics

00:23:28.940 of this whole approach.

00:23:31.280 On my blog

00:23:32.260 and in other places,

00:23:33.100 there were a lot

00:23:34.560 of questions

00:23:35.420 and accusations

00:23:36.560 and things thrown at us.

00:23:38.460 And I spent a lot of time

00:23:39.680 answering these FAQs

00:23:41.680 on my blog.

00:23:42.580 And then I realized

00:23:43.400 I'd written a lot

00:23:44.680 answering these questions.

00:23:46.880 And so we edited

00:23:47.840 the questions

00:23:48.520 and assembled them

00:23:49.380 into the book,

00:23:50.540 frequently shouted questions

00:23:52.240 on Christian nationalism.

00:23:53.780 And they address

00:23:54.920 all the common,

00:23:56.280 what about this?

00:23:57.000 What about that?

00:23:57.700 What about imposing morality?

00:24:00.760 What about separation

00:24:01.540 and church and state?

00:24:02.780 What about,

00:24:03.340 you know,

00:24:03.800 so on.

00:24:04.480 And so these are,

00:24:05.660 these FAQs

00:24:06.780 are the sorts of things

00:24:07.940 that your worried

00:24:09.360 uncle or aunt

00:24:10.440 might be asking you about.

00:24:12.940 And it's a great resource

00:24:14.080 for answering those questions.

00:24:16.880 So it's something

00:24:17.900 to consider about

00:24:18.820 for Christmas

00:24:19.380 and Thanksgiving

00:24:20.120 that are coming up.

00:24:22.680 Tell me about the reaction

00:24:23.700 that the book has had.

00:24:24.520 I know that,

00:24:24.860 I know that Tucker Carlson

00:24:26.040 has said

00:24:26.560 that you are

00:24:28.140 the Christian nationalist

00:24:29.240 they warned you about.

00:24:31.060 Tell me about the reaction

00:24:31.840 of the book more generally.

00:24:33.160 Is this something

00:24:34.000 that really gets

00:24:35.200 the libs on edge?

00:24:37.320 It really does.

00:24:38.860 You know,

00:24:39.200 I'm a pastor

00:24:39.860 in the panhandle

00:24:40.800 of North Idaho.

00:24:42.520 I don't have

00:24:43.700 enormous connections

00:24:45.000 and that sort of thing.

00:24:46.740 I'm a writer

00:24:47.560 and a preacher.

00:24:48.840 But in recent months,

00:24:50.640 I've been interviewed

00:24:51.360 by the New York Times

00:24:52.340 and the Wall Street Journal

00:24:53.740 and Politico

00:24:55.120 and the Associated Press

00:24:56.740 and CNN,

00:24:58.680 they are really worried

00:25:00.640 about this.

00:25:02.380 And I think

00:25:03.000 they're worried about it

00:25:03.820 because their project

00:25:05.540 has collapsed

00:25:06.740 and is not capable,

00:25:11.020 therefore,

00:25:11.420 of mounting

00:25:11.940 the kind of resistance

00:25:13.480 that they wish they could.

00:25:17.820 If people wanted

00:25:19.040 to learn more

00:25:20.060 about how to weld

00:25:21.620 these two philosophies together,

00:25:24.460 the libertarianism

00:25:25.460 and the theocratic together,

00:25:28.380 obviously,

00:25:28.880 they can go to you

00:25:29.760 on social media.

00:25:30.720 In fact,

00:25:31.040 why don't we just quickly

00:25:32.280 now recite

00:25:33.100 your social media?

00:25:34.200 But I'll also ask you

00:25:35.400 where else they might go.

00:25:36.940 Where do people go

00:25:37.640 on social media

00:25:38.300 to keep up with you?

00:25:39.960 Okay,

00:25:40.560 on X,

00:25:41.340 it would be

00:25:43.020 at Douglas Wills,

00:25:44.880 D-O-U-G-L-A-S-W-I-L-S, 1.00

00:25:48.560 Douglas Wills.

00:25:49.720 And then my blog

00:25:50.880 is dougwills.com

00:25:52.440 and it's called

00:25:53.580 Blog and May Blog.

00:25:55.200 And pretty much

00:25:56.060 everything I'm involved with

00:25:57.240 is somewhere there

00:25:58.380 on the front page

00:25:59.160 of my blog.

00:26:01.440 Okay,

00:26:02.040 so look,

00:26:02.520 in the final 30 seconds,

00:26:04.340 just tell me

00:26:04.900 some of the key sources

00:26:06.460 that you have found useful.

00:26:08.320 If people have listened

00:26:09.120 to this,

00:26:09.600 they'll get your books,

00:26:10.980 they'll follow you on Twitter

00:26:12.100 and they'll start reading.

00:26:13.040 Just give,

00:26:13.800 where can people go

00:26:14.680 to understand more?

00:26:15.920 Because it's a very rare thing

00:26:17.280 to hear someone talk,

00:26:18.320 to say,

00:26:18.900 I am a theocratic libertarian.

00:26:21.380 What else can you

00:26:22.640 point them towards?

00:26:23.920 I would mention

00:26:24.500 two books published

00:26:25.340 by Canon Press,

00:26:26.300 our publishing house.

00:26:27.880 One is

00:26:28.520 Vindicii Contra Tyrannos,

00:26:30.980 a book from the 16th century,

00:26:33.240 A Vindication Against Tyrants.

00:26:35.280 It's just a great,

00:26:36.560 great book.

00:26:37.260 And then a history

00:26:38.060 of Christian resistance

00:26:39.200 called Slaying Leviathan

00:26:41.000 by Glenn Sunshine.

00:26:44.060 That's perfect.

00:26:45.320 Pastor Douglas Wilson,

00:26:46.560 very,

00:26:46.940 very grateful

00:26:47.480 that we've been able

00:26:48.220 to get you on the show.

00:26:49.320 I hope you're going to come back

00:26:50.460 and give us your analysis

00:26:51.820 at some future points.

00:26:53.860 But many,

00:26:54.900 many thanks for this

00:26:55.820 unique synthesis

00:26:57.780 of interpretation.

00:26:59.140 God bless for now.

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00:31:27.880 Well, if I recited

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00:31:32.480 up the full

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00:31:36.060 Dr. Nicholas Wright,

00:31:37.560 welcome on to the show.

00:31:38.660 You have been an advisor

00:31:40.460 to the Pentagon Joint Chiefs

00:31:42.040 of Staff,

00:31:42.460 I think,

00:31:42.800 for over a decade.

00:31:44.600 You're an affiliate

00:31:45.620 scholar at Georgetown,

00:31:48.560 et cetera,

00:31:49.180 et cetera,

00:31:49.700 et cetera.

00:31:50.540 Huge,

00:31:51.060 huge academic

00:31:52.400 CV.

00:31:53.300 and you've published

00:31:57.040 this book

00:31:57.780 with the title

00:31:58.380 Warhead,

00:31:58.980 how the brain

00:32:00.880 shapes war

00:32:01.760 and war

00:32:03.080 shapes the brain.

00:32:06.760 And that basically,

00:32:07.460 the thesis

00:32:07.940 is,

00:32:08.780 I think,

00:32:09.840 to do the interplay

00:32:10.680 between the

00:32:11.460 amygdala

00:32:12.300 and the prefrontal

00:32:14.700 cortex

00:32:15.740 and the civil

00:32:17.380 war,

00:32:17.680 the neuron

00:32:18.120 civil war

00:32:18.800 between the two

00:32:19.980 areas.

00:32:20.820 And that somehow

00:32:21.440 makes us hard.

00:32:22.380 Well,

00:32:22.580 I'm not a neuroscientist.

00:32:24.880 That's my simplification.

00:32:26.780 And how,

00:32:27.100 but how that somehow

00:32:27.920 hardwires

00:32:30.300 aggression

00:32:30.980 and war

00:32:32.160 on the national

00:32:33.120 stage

00:32:33.440 when humans

00:32:33.960 come together

00:32:34.380 and act

00:32:34.760 socially.

00:32:36.320 Just in your

00:32:37.060 own words,

00:32:38.300 in your words,

00:32:38.920 explain to us

00:32:39.900 this thesis

00:32:40.940 and why it's

00:32:41.660 important.

00:32:43.640 Yeah,

00:32:44.020 so,

00:32:44.240 well,

00:32:44.380 thank you very much,

00:32:45.060 Ben,

00:32:45.180 for having me on.

00:32:46.080 So,

00:32:46.920 as you say,

00:32:48.240 the central idea

00:32:49.860 is that conflict

00:32:51.200 is part of us.

00:32:52.820 So,

00:32:53.060 throughout

00:32:53.480 prehistory

00:32:54.500 and history,

00:32:56.260 humans have

00:32:57.380 often faced

00:32:58.220 life-threatening

00:32:58.880 emergencies.

00:32:59.660 That could be

00:33:00.440 starvation,

00:33:01.180 it could be

00:33:01.940 violence,

00:33:02.840 life-threatening

00:33:03.320 violence.

00:33:04.160 And that's why

00:33:04.560 every brain,

00:33:05.280 yours,

00:33:05.640 Ben,

00:33:05.860 and mine,

00:33:06.360 and every viewer's

00:33:07.380 brain,

00:33:08.080 is built of

00:33:08.900 survival-grade

00:33:10.160 neural machinery.

00:33:12.220 Right?

00:33:12.380 It's built,

00:33:12.960 every brain is built

00:33:13.880 to win or at least

00:33:14.960 survive a fight.

00:33:16.640 And now,

00:33:17.060 as you travel

00:33:17.640 from the brainstem,

00:33:18.440 right at the base

00:33:19.160 of the brain,

00:33:19.920 through past the

00:33:20.540 amygdala that you

00:33:21.200 mentioned,

00:33:21.620 all the way through

00:33:22.060 to the frontal pole,

00:33:22.900 this bit right at

00:33:23.760 the very front of the

00:33:24.680 brain that is the

00:33:25.600 most distinctively

00:33:26.420 human part of the

00:33:27.180 brain,

00:33:27.520 does our most

00:33:27.940 sophisticated thinking

00:33:29.020 about thinking,

00:33:29.840 every part of the

00:33:31.440 brain can drive us

00:33:32.380 towards war.

00:33:33.860 There's not one

00:33:34.720 simple reason why

00:33:35.440 we're driven towards

00:33:36.020 war.

00:33:36.380 Every part of the

00:33:37.220 brain can contribute

00:33:38.100 to driving us

00:33:38.900 towards war.

00:33:39.720 But I'm actually

00:33:40.640 optimistic.

00:33:41.380 I don't want this to

00:33:41.860 be pessimistic.

00:33:42.580 I'm optimistic

00:33:43.180 because I think we

00:33:44.080 can know so much

00:33:45.500 more about ourselves

00:33:46.340 than we ever could

00:33:47.180 before.

00:33:48.040 And if we can

00:33:48.640 understand why

00:33:49.540 humans fight,

00:33:51.280 then we can reduce

00:33:52.140 the chances that

00:33:52.980 there will be wars

00:33:53.920 or that wars will

00:33:54.760 escalate if they

00:33:55.600 start.

00:33:55.980 And I don't

00:33:57.500 think we can

00:33:57.840 ever banish war,

00:33:58.840 but I'm optimistic

00:33:59.600 that if we

00:34:00.360 understand ourselves

00:34:01.040 better,

00:34:01.440 then we can harness

00:34:02.440 what's always been

00:34:03.020 the central weapon

00:34:04.200 of war,

00:34:04.740 as well as

00:34:05.220 instrument of peace,

00:34:06.380 which is the

00:34:06.920 human brain.

00:34:08.140 And so that means

00:34:08.580 we can win wars

00:34:09.840 if we must fight

00:34:11.020 them.

00:34:12.400 And so I think,

00:34:13.200 you know,

00:34:13.580 Secretary Hegseth,

00:34:14.340 for example,

00:34:14.720 a month ago also

00:34:15.500 said, you know,

00:34:16.540 peace through

00:34:16.960 strength.

00:34:17.520 And I think there's

00:34:18.060 a lot of truth to

00:34:18.740 that.

00:34:19.240 But I think also

00:34:20.040 my main argument

00:34:21.740 here is that we

00:34:22.660 can build a more

00:34:23.800 peaceful world

00:34:24.700 through self-knowledge,

00:34:27.500 through knowing

00:34:28.180 ourselves as humans

00:34:29.720 better.

00:34:31.760 So you have this

00:34:32.800 tension between

00:34:33.620 aggression and

00:34:34.680 empathy, right?

00:34:37.240 I happen personally

00:34:39.340 not to believe that

00:34:40.100 mankind is the

00:34:40.860 product of evolution.

00:34:42.340 I think we were

00:34:43.480 created in a

00:34:45.680 straightforward act

00:34:46.480 of God.

00:34:46.840 But put that to

00:34:47.620 the side and we'll

00:34:48.640 proceed in this

00:34:49.300 conversation as if

00:34:51.020 we are the

00:34:51.800 products of

00:34:52.480 evolution.

00:34:52.960 How is it that

00:34:54.380 aggression would

00:34:55.820 appear to have

00:34:56.880 the upper hand

00:34:57.900 between

00:34:59.020 evolution in

00:35:01.500 evolutionary terms?

00:35:03.820 Why does

00:35:04.360 aggression appear to

00:35:05.500 have the upper hand

00:35:06.300 between aggression

00:35:07.320 and empathy?

00:35:08.620 First question.

00:35:09.620 And the second

00:35:10.080 question is looking

00:35:11.200 at your insights.

00:35:12.480 Can you give me

00:35:12.960 some practical

00:35:13.820 pointers as to

00:35:16.080 the contributions

00:35:17.500 your research at

00:35:19.420 the cutting edge

00:35:20.000 of neuroscience

00:35:21.000 science could

00:35:22.160 have in the

00:35:23.240 public policy

00:35:24.140 sphere?

00:35:25.980 Yeah.

00:35:26.500 So the first

00:35:27.400 thing to say is

00:35:27.920 this isn't based

00:35:29.040 on evolution.

00:35:29.700 So my research is

00:35:31.080 to research the

00:35:31.840 brain.

00:35:32.680 I use functional

00:35:33.620 brain imaging,

00:35:34.780 other technologies

00:35:35.800 to understand how

00:35:37.160 humans make 1.00

00:35:37.700 decisions and how

00:35:38.380 that arises in the

00:35:39.240 brain.

00:35:40.280 So it's not based

00:35:41.460 on evolution, it's

00:35:42.140 based on how our

00:35:42.940 brains work.

00:35:43.800 So I don't think

00:35:44.240 it's inconsistent

00:35:44.960 with your sort

00:35:46.460 of philosophical

00:35:47.020 basis.

00:35:50.620 So our brains

00:35:53.600 have many

00:35:54.820 different brain

00:35:56.160 systems in them.

00:35:56.940 It's not just the

00:35:57.860 amygdala and the

00:35:58.440 prefrontal cortex,

00:35:59.000 it's many different

00:35:59.660 brain systems and

00:36:00.600 they create, they're

00:36:02.180 like an orchestra,

00:36:03.500 right?

00:36:03.820 Each of these

00:36:04.400 different brain

00:36:04.900 systems is like a

00:36:05.700 different part of

00:36:06.340 the orchestra.

00:36:06.920 It could be the

00:36:07.740 strings, right?

00:36:08.800 That could be the

00:36:09.720 fine violins that do

00:36:11.320 our most sophisticated

00:36:12.120 planning, for example,

00:36:14.360 or it could be the

00:36:15.160 brass that does, you

00:36:16.680 know, our big

00:36:17.360 emotions like fear

00:36:18.380 and so on.

00:36:18.880 We need all these

00:36:19.860 different parts of

00:36:20.560 our orchestra and

00:36:21.120 they're all part of

00:36:22.140 what makes up the

00:36:24.280 symphony with which

00:36:25.560 we live our life,

00:36:27.180 okay?

00:36:27.920 Now, it's not that

00:36:30.620 we're only built for

00:36:32.600 war because we're

00:36:33.360 built for many other

00:36:34.040 things too, but the

00:36:35.180 key point here is that

00:36:36.360 that is an important

00:36:37.380 part of us and we

00:36:38.460 need to understand

00:36:39.140 that.

00:36:39.880 But as you say,

00:36:41.180 for example,

00:36:42.160 reconciliation is

00:36:42.960 also important.

00:36:43.500 You talk about

00:36:43.740 empathy.

00:36:44.540 So reconciliation is

00:36:45.500 also incredibly

00:36:46.240 human, right?

00:36:47.420 So if you look at

00:36:48.180 Winston Churchill's

00:36:49.160 History of World

00:36:49.640 War II, for

00:36:50.240 example, the

00:36:51.420 moral right at the

00:36:52.680 beginning of that

00:36:53.240 book, a key

00:36:54.500 moral right he

00:36:55.360 puts right at the

00:36:55.880 beginning is in

00:36:56.740 victory, magnanimity.

00:36:59.460 So reconciliation is

00:37:01.340 every bit as human

00:37:02.360 as conflict and we

00:37:03.340 need to understand

00:37:04.060 this sweet, this,

00:37:06.320 you know, we need

00:37:06.980 to understand

00:37:07.480 ourselves in our

00:37:08.180 glorious,

00:37:08.960 glorious, true

00:37:10.780 symphony rather than

00:37:13.280 just one thing or

00:37:14.260 the other thing.

00:37:15.540 Now, how do I use

00:37:16.540 this practically?

00:37:17.500 So, for example,

00:37:18.400 I'll give you three

00:37:18.840 examples.

00:37:19.360 So one thing I've

00:37:20.460 spent a lot of time

00:37:21.360 working on with the

00:37:22.340 Pentagon and in fact

00:37:23.180 the thing that first

00:37:23.880 took me to Washington,

00:37:24.740 D.C.

00:37:25.160 was thinking about

00:37:26.280 nuclear weapons,

00:37:27.340 strategy with nuclear

00:37:28.300 weapons.

00:37:29.160 And what you're trying

00:37:29.740 to do there is,

00:37:30.740 is like whatever the

00:37:32.500 United States does,

00:37:33.600 right, it cannot

00:37:35.160 prevent Russia and 0.98

00:37:37.440 China from 0.76

00:37:39.100 retaliating with

00:37:40.360 nuclear weapons,

00:37:41.540 right?

00:37:41.940 And so what you need

00:37:43.180 to do with nuclear

00:37:44.080 weapons is you need

00:37:44.760 to try and influence

00:37:46.220 how the other side

00:37:47.400 is going to choose

00:37:48.640 to act, deterrence,

00:37:50.260 for example,

00:37:50.760 or controlling

00:37:51.160 escalation.

00:37:52.280 And so what is

00:37:53.040 often useful is

00:37:53.740 insights about how

00:37:55.200 will actions the

00:37:57.140 U.S.

00:37:57.460 might take, how can

00:37:58.380 they enhance the

00:37:59.080 effectiveness of those

00:37:59.860 actions?

00:38:00.440 Things like, for

00:38:01.020 example, using

00:38:01.680 surprise when you want

00:38:03.040 to and not when

00:38:03.940 you don't want to.

00:38:05.360 Another thing that

00:38:06.120 I've worked on is

00:38:07.040 information operations.

00:38:08.040 So how can we defend

00:38:08.940 ourselves against

00:38:09.640 things like adversaries

00:38:12.260 like Russia who are 0.99

00:38:12.940 very skilled at using

00:38:13.820 things like active

00:38:14.720 measures, right?

00:38:15.860 And we know that they

00:38:16.660 do this and they do

00:38:17.460 this in many different

00:38:18.160 countries.

00:38:18.940 I'm not saying this is

00:38:19.500 the most important

00:38:20.160 thing in domestic

00:38:21.220 politics in somewhere

00:38:23.120 like Britain or the

00:38:24.100 United States, but the

00:38:25.320 Russians do do these 1.00

00:38:26.340 things.

00:38:27.000 We need to think about

00:38:27.760 how they do that and

00:38:28.600 how we can potentially

00:38:29.760 defend against those

00:38:30.780 types of activities.

00:38:31.760 And again, the

00:38:32.620 central target of

00:38:34.440 every information

00:38:35.120 operation is the

00:38:36.280 human brain, right?

00:38:37.620 And they will use

00:38:38.540 very sophisticated

00:38:39.660 techniques that look

00:38:41.480 at emotions, that

00:38:42.340 look at how we

00:38:43.820 perceive things, how

00:38:44.540 we misperceive things

00:38:45.480 and so on.

00:38:45.880 So we need to

00:38:46.300 understand that to

00:38:47.020 defend.

00:38:48.180 And then a third

00:38:48.680 thing is AI, right?

00:38:50.460 So I've just finished

00:38:51.360 a big project and we

00:38:52.220 had involved people

00:38:53.320 from the director of

00:38:54.480 DARPA, which are the

00:38:55.420 people who invented

00:38:55.840 the internet, lots of

00:38:56.800 other people, the head

00:38:58.680 of Army Futures

00:38:59.360 Command.

00:38:59.700 And that was

00:39:01.120 about how can we

00:39:01.800 use AI, right, to

00:39:03.320 win wars in the

00:39:04.900 future?

00:39:05.240 Because it's not just

00:39:06.160 technology on its own

00:39:07.160 that wins wars, it's

00:39:08.440 humans using that

00:39:10.080 technology effectively

00:39:11.540 that wins wars.

00:39:12.800 And if we're going to

00:39:13.900 control AI effectively,

00:39:15.520 if we're going to

00:39:15.840 control squads or

00:39:17.420 swarms of robots, and

00:39:19.720 we saw those for the

00:39:20.620 first time used for

00:39:21.740 lethal effect on a

00:39:23.200 battlefield in Ukraine a

00:39:24.360 few weeks ago, that's

00:39:25.820 going to require

00:39:26.340 understanding the

00:39:27.180 human side of the

00:39:29.580 communication with the

00:39:30.440 AI robots, every

00:39:32.440 single bit as much as

00:39:34.140 the robots themselves.

00:39:35.580 And so those are all

00:39:36.140 some practical areas

00:39:37.240 that, you know, I've

00:39:38.260 been involved with the

00:39:39.040 Pentagon over the last

00:39:39.960 decade.

00:39:42.120 There's a phenomenal

00:39:43.140 amount to unpack

00:39:44.760 there.

00:39:45.360 Let's start at the

00:39:46.440 back, the closing

00:39:48.380 part of that.

00:39:49.120 And you mentioned

00:39:49.720 AI.

00:39:50.340 You have said that AI

00:39:53.860 really needs to, if I've

00:39:56.340 got this right, to

00:39:57.360 develop a pre-vortex,

00:40:01.380 basically as part of

00:40:02.800 the drive for

00:40:04.500 consciousness.

00:40:05.500 Tell me how you'd go

00:40:07.200 about doing that.

00:40:09.840 Yeah, so there's a

00:40:12.380 difference between being

00:40:13.620 clever and being wise.

00:40:15.820 So you're probably

00:40:16.320 familiar with the TV

00:40:17.400 program, the Big Bang

00:40:18.520 Theory, you know, the

00:40:19.400 comedy program, and you

00:40:20.300 have these very, very

00:40:20.960 clever guys at Caltech.

00:40:22.300 They're very clever, but

00:40:24.080 they often just get

00:40:24.880 themselves into pickles.

00:40:26.000 They get themselves to

00:40:26.700 mistakes because they

00:40:27.280 missed obvious parts of

00:40:28.700 the big picture, and it

00:40:31.380 leads them down, you

00:40:32.260 know, into getting into

00:40:34.160 all sorts of messes.

00:40:35.220 There's a difference

00:40:35.660 between being clever and

00:40:36.480 being wise.

00:40:38.040 So AI, for example, can

00:40:40.440 often be very clever.

00:40:41.400 So there was a famous

00:40:44.280 example, which was an AI

00:40:45.540 controlled a speedboat, and

00:40:47.960 it had to control this

00:40:48.700 speedboat, and which was

00:40:49.900 travelling down a course,

00:40:51.160 and the aim was to get as

00:40:53.120 fast as possible to the

00:40:54.000 other end.

00:40:54.560 But what the AI realised

00:40:55.800 was that if it just

00:40:56.980 circled around in the

00:40:58.460 middle of the course,

00:40:59.640 knocking things over, it

00:41:02.020 would actually make a

00:41:03.540 superhuman amount of

00:41:05.520 points, right?

00:41:07.180 That was actually the most

00:41:07.980 effective thing to do.

00:41:09.340 But that wasn't the

00:41:10.100 point of the game.

00:41:10.980 That wasn't the purpose

00:41:11.860 of the game.

00:41:12.680 The AI was being very

00:41:13.780 clever, but it wasn't

00:41:15.020 being wise.

00:41:15.720 So what is wisdom?

00:41:17.900 Now, obviously, that's an

00:41:18.740 age-old problem.

00:41:20.000 I'm not saying, you know,

00:41:21.540 I have every answer to

00:41:23.200 what wisdom is.

00:41:24.480 But we're really beginning

00:41:26.740 to understand really

00:41:28.040 important things about the

00:41:29.520 process of wisdom and how

00:41:30.960 the wiser decision-making

00:41:32.280 works in the human brain.

00:41:33.660 So let me give you one key

00:41:35.340 example, which is right

00:41:37.080 here, the frontal pole.

00:41:39.520 So the frontal pole is

00:41:40.760 really important for thinking

00:41:43.180 about thinking, right?

00:41:45.160 And this is what you do.

00:41:46.420 So you can, for example,

00:41:47.700 think about your own

00:41:48.940 thinking.

00:41:49.600 You can make a decision

00:41:50.640 and then you can say,

00:41:51.940 well, how certain am I

00:41:53.000 about that decision?

00:41:54.180 You can set a goal,

00:41:55.780 getting to the end of

00:41:56.540 this course, for example,

00:41:57.920 and then you can say,

00:41:58.560 well, how is this the

00:41:59.480 right goal for me to be

00:42:00.340 pursuing?

00:42:01.160 So what we can do is

00:42:02.740 we can now say,

00:42:05.120 how does the brain do

00:42:07.020 things like self-reflection?

00:42:08.880 How can we enhance that?

00:42:10.820 How can we make that

00:42:11.740 better?

00:42:12.420 How can we think,

00:42:13.180 for example, how humans

00:42:14.420 consider the overarching

00:42:17.220 purposes that they're

00:42:18.520 going for in their lives,

00:42:19.880 for example?

00:42:20.780 And then how can we make

00:42:22.040 wiser decisions?

00:42:23.440 And I think that's what

00:42:24.260 we're going to need to

00:42:24.740 do with AI because AI

00:42:26.600 ultimately follows an

00:42:29.120 objective function.

00:42:30.740 It follows an objective.

00:42:31.940 We set that objective,

00:42:33.500 right?

00:42:34.300 Now, you may not have

00:42:36.000 exactly the same

00:42:37.000 objectives in life as

00:42:38.360 every viewer out there

00:42:39.640 or me or the people who,

00:42:41.380 you know, cameramen,

00:42:42.400 whatever, right?

00:42:43.960 Humans have very

00:42:44.720 different objectives.

00:42:45.780 It's very difficult to

00:42:46.420 know how we're going to

00:42:47.000 set an objective that is

00:42:48.000 the right objective for

00:42:49.060 humanity, for AI.

00:42:51.040 So I don't think we can,

00:42:52.360 I don't think it's

00:42:52.940 possible for us to

00:42:53.900 simply align an AI's

00:42:55.380 objectives to exactly

00:42:56.320 what we want for

00:42:56.940 humanity because that's

00:42:57.700 very difficult.

00:42:58.760 I think what we need to

00:42:59.480 do is we need to, you

00:43:00.300 know, create an AI that

00:43:01.940 can make wiser choices,

00:43:03.320 that can lift its eyes 0.91

00:43:04.520 and see the bigger picture

00:43:05.940 about itself and ask

00:43:07.600 better questions and

00:43:09.660 make wiser, not just

00:43:11.100 cleverer decisions.

00:43:12.480 And I think that's what

00:43:13.120 we're going to have to

00:43:13.540 do with AI.

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00:44:35.240 we only have a few moments

00:44:37.260 left of the show.

00:44:38.340 And it's absolutely

00:44:38.700 fascinating what you're

00:44:39.580 saying.

00:44:40.200 The necessity to think

00:44:42.900 about thinking is the

00:44:44.220 basic mandate of

00:44:45.100 philosophy, right?

00:44:46.020 For two and a half

00:44:47.260 thousand years, Western

00:44:48.080 philosophy, that's exactly

00:44:49.140 what it is.

00:44:49.600 It's the meta-analysis,

00:44:51.540 using the reflective

00:44:52.960 capacity to analyze the

00:44:55.260 reflective capacity.

00:44:56.680 That would certainly be a

00:44:58.380 sign, wouldn't it, of

00:44:59.640 that AI has established

00:45:02.900 true consciousness if it

00:45:05.080 were able to do that.

00:45:07.160 But one question I have

00:45:08.920 for you is that nearly

00:45:10.320 every culture in one way

00:45:12.180 or another through the

00:45:13.400 course of time has found

00:45:15.180 myths that sanctify war 0.95

00:45:17.420 from the Iliad to Jihad.

00:45:21.800 Do you think that myth-making

00:45:23.100 is a neural necessity, a

00:45:25.840 way to make sense of

00:45:28.200 that fear that the

00:45:30.460 amygdala drives?

00:45:33.580 I think you're entirely

00:45:34.620 correct.

00:45:35.340 So, again, so people

00:45:36.820 overstate this.

00:45:37.980 So it's not like myths

00:45:39.160 everything, but they're

00:45:40.460 one of the important

00:45:41.620 things, right?

00:45:42.520 We have a whole, you

00:45:44.560 know, a whole set of

00:45:45.520 systems in our brain that

00:45:46.600 are all important and

00:45:48.160 our capacity for myths

00:45:50.640 is one of those things.

00:45:51.720 So I'll just give you an

00:45:52.320 example, right?

00:45:53.000 Really important thing.

00:45:54.880 People worry about

00:45:55.700 societies falling apart,

00:45:57.060 American society falling 0.88

00:45:57.940 apart, British society

00:45:59.020 falling apart or

00:45:59.620 whatever.

00:46:00.100 But the remarkable thing

00:46:01.060 isn't that societies

00:46:01.920 fall apart.

00:46:02.740 It's that we can form,

00:46:04.360 humans can form groups

00:46:05.860 of more than a couple

00:46:06.700 of hundred individuals

00:46:07.740 at all because no

00:46:09.740 other primates can.

00:46:11.600 No other primates can

00:46:12.700 form a coherent group

00:46:14.720 of more than a few

00:46:15.400 hundred individuals.

00:46:16.580 And yet we can get to

00:46:17.480 the point of tribes,

00:46:19.160 which is thousands of

00:46:20.480 individuals that can

00:46:21.480 form a coherent group

00:46:22.300 and, you know, up to

00:46:23.280 hundreds of thousands,

00:46:24.620 millions, right?

00:46:25.980 So how do we do that?

00:46:27.560 Absolutely central to that

00:46:28.800 is something that I call

00:46:29.780 social alchemy, right?

00:46:31.980 What we can do is we

00:46:34.280 use, we create humans

00:46:37.000 whose identities,

00:46:38.980 their answers to the

00:46:39.700 question, who am I?

00:46:41.200 Their identities are

00:46:42.360 similar to enough,

00:46:43.520 similar enough to each

00:46:44.620 other that they can work

00:46:46.040 coherently together.

00:46:47.240 And in addition to

00:46:48.640 that, there is a

00:46:50.660 culture, right?

00:46:52.000 And by culture here, I

00:46:52.820 mean the basic idea of

00:46:54.900 how are things done

00:46:55.800 around here?

00:46:57.100 And that culture creates

00:46:59.160 individuals with coherent

00:47:00.620 identities and those

00:47:02.060 identities help create

00:47:03.500 the culture.

00:47:04.380 And that identity culture

00:47:05.860 spiral is central to how

00:47:08.260 humans can form huge

00:47:10.900 groups, right?

00:47:12.020 Which is something, as I

00:47:12.760 said, no other primates

00:47:14.020 can.

00:47:14.340 And in that, our

00:47:15.760 ability to speak, to

00:47:17.720 communicate, to say,

00:47:18.960 this is how you make a

00:47:20.040 flint axe, this is how

00:47:21.560 you ford a river, this is

00:47:23.220 what God might look like

00:47:25.000 or sound like or think

00:47:26.760 like or whatever, that is

00:47:28.460 central to how we are

00:47:30.660 able to create coherent

00:47:32.360 societies and religious

00:47:34.120 or mythological ideas

00:47:35.540 were central to creating

00:47:36.780 those at all times or

00:47:38.480 whereof in human history.

00:47:40.360 That's why we're able to

00:47:41.820 do that and no other

00:47:43.380 primates can.

00:47:44.200 So I think you're

00:47:45.140 right, myths are

00:47:46.100 central, one of the

00:47:47.640 suite of capabilities we

00:47:49.360 have that no other

00:47:50.220 primate has, certainly

00:47:51.320 not as well as us.

00:47:53.200 We literally only have

00:47:54.760 three minutes, but I

00:47:57.280 think your area of

00:47:58.140 study here is absolutely

00:47:59.700 fascinating because

00:48:00.720 you're starting off on

00:48:01.800 the individual basis, on

00:48:03.460 the anatomy of the human

00:48:04.520 brain, and then

00:48:06.580 expanding forward to

00:48:09.420 how all the human

00:48:11.580 exemplars react together

00:48:14.200 and how they share

00:48:15.940 social attributes based

00:48:18.740 on the hardwiring in the

00:48:20.740 brain.

00:48:21.180 Just in terms, because

00:48:22.140 you mentioned them, you

00:48:23.240 mentioned Russia and

00:48:24.500 Ukraine and China

00:48:25.760 earlier on, using the

00:48:28.040 insights of the specific

00:48:29.600 anatomy of the brain,

00:48:30.800 this tension between the

00:48:31.780 amygdala and the

00:48:34.920 prefrontal cortex.

00:48:36.360 So you're basically

00:48:38.860 sort of suggesting that

00:48:40.680 the element of

00:48:42.260 aggression is always

00:48:43.540 going to be there.

00:48:44.180 This is aside from the

00:48:45.020 theological concepts of

00:48:46.500 sin and what have you.

00:48:47.460 On the biological thing,

00:48:48.960 that aggression is

00:48:49.840 always going to be there.

00:48:50.700 It's always going to be

00:48:52.020 there on the social and

00:48:53.200 political level.

00:48:54.660 But as you said at the

00:48:55.620 beginning, what you're

00:48:56.420 trying to do is get

00:48:57.400 from the understanding of

00:48:59.120 knowing thyself to

00:49:00.980 work forward and find a

00:49:03.260 way of understanding that

00:49:04.720 reality and that

00:49:06.020 aggression is always

00:49:06.740 going to be there to

00:49:07.760 find a way to contain

00:49:09.160 it, right?

00:49:11.240 Exactly.

00:49:12.000 If we can understand,

00:49:13.340 for example, how fear

00:49:15.700 works better, then we

00:49:17.100 can control our fears

00:49:18.180 better.

00:49:18.740 If we can understand

00:49:19.900 that, you know, when

00:49:21.680 we feel these social

00:49:23.240 motivations against

00:49:24.060 injustice and that can

00:49:25.080 help us, you know,

00:49:25.920 really fight against

00:49:26.980 things that are bad in

00:49:28.180 the world.

00:49:28.600 And yet, on the other

00:49:29.180 hand, when two groups

00:49:30.200 have too exclusive an

00:49:31.660 idea of justice, then

00:49:34.300 that can lead to a

00:49:34.940 tragedy, right?

00:49:35.800 And you talked about

00:49:36.260 ancient Greece.

00:49:36.700 That was a classic, you

00:49:37.560 know, example of

00:49:38.120 tragedy in ancient

00:49:38.920 Greece, right?

00:49:40.100 Where it's not right

00:49:41.040 versus wrong.

00:49:41.660 It's two rights

00:49:42.560 clashing.

00:49:44.140 And so those are the

00:49:46.600 types of things where

00:49:47.500 if we understand that

00:49:48.640 better, if we understand

00:49:49.500 how human morality

00:49:50.520 works better in the

00:49:51.440 brain, if we can

00:49:52.020 enhance our ability to

00:49:54.300 reflect so we can see

00:49:56.200 ourselves in the world

00:49:58.040 better, right, so that

00:49:59.500 then we can make wiser

00:50:00.280 decisions, if we can do

00:50:01.120 all of the, if we

00:50:01.680 enhance all of these

00:50:02.440 things, which of course

00:50:03.100 we can also do in

00:50:03.740 everyday life too.

00:50:04.780 This is the same brain

00:50:05.600 with which you and I

00:50:06.420 go to the supermarkets

00:50:07.460 or, you know, drive our

00:50:08.940 car or whatever, right?

00:50:10.700 If we can understand

00:50:11.980 ourselves better, then

00:50:13.600 we can hopefully prevent

00:50:16.280 wars from happening.

00:50:17.360 And as I said, if we

00:50:18.060 need to fight a war, and

00:50:20.020 I think we can never get

00:50:21.020 to the point where wars

00:50:21.740 will be completely

00:50:22.340 impossible, then, you

00:50:25.060 know, the reason why

00:50:26.080 the Pentagon is

00:50:26.740 interested in what I

00:50:27.340 have to say and why I

00:50:28.880 feel that I have really

00:50:30.560 gained a huge amount of

00:50:31.660 value working with them

00:50:32.560 is that, you know, we

00:50:34.240 can work out how to

00:50:35.140 fight those wars better

00:50:36.200 if we need to.

00:50:37.860 And both those things

00:50:38.820 are important.

00:50:39.400 Why we fight and why

00:50:40.620 we win wars.

00:50:42.960 Dr. Wright, could you

00:50:44.340 just tell us where

00:50:45.100 people can go to get

00:50:47.180 that book that you've

00:50:48.520 published, Warhead, how

00:50:50.100 the brain shapes war and

00:50:51.780 the war shapes brain?

00:50:53.280 And where do people go

00:50:54.240 to keep up with your

00:50:55.680 research on social media?

00:50:57.420 Yeah, so the books in

00:51:00.620 any bookshop, you can

00:51:01.800 actually listen to me

00:51:02.720 talking on the audio

00:51:04.440 book, wherever you get

00:51:05.340 your audio books, and

00:51:07.320 on social media, Nicholas

00:51:09.780 D. Wright on X, and

00:51:13.580 I'm on LinkedIn and so

00:51:16.720 on.

00:51:17.140 And I would love to speak

00:51:18.380 to people if you want to

00:51:19.040 get in contact.

00:51:19.700 I would love to discuss

00:51:20.780 these issues with people.

00:51:23.540 Dr. Nicholas Wright, I'm

00:51:24.640 very grateful for you

00:51:25.480 coming on.

00:51:25.800 And I'm specifically

00:51:26.720 grateful that you were

00:51:27.940 able to handle these

00:51:29.020 extremely complex terms

00:51:31.280 in a way that I, as a

00:51:32.580 non-specialist, can

00:51:33.800 understand.

00:51:34.420 But it was very

00:51:35.160 instructive.

00:51:35.860 Thank you for that.

00:51:36.820 Come on again at some

00:51:39.000 point in the future for

00:51:41.280 a further elucidation.

00:51:43.660 Folks, that's all we have

00:51:44.600 time for today.

00:51:45.480 Thanks to Kyle and the

00:51:46.780 great team at Real

00:51:47.580 America's Voice in

00:51:48.880 Denver.

00:51:49.340 And thank you to

00:51:50.240 Vittorio Franco for

00:51:51.740 putting this show

00:51:52.560 together.

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Bannon's War Room - October 31, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 882： Harnwell Interviews An Advocate Of Christian Theocracy And A Neuroscientist Specialising In War

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