In this episode of War Room, we talk about the growing threat of artificial intelligence, and why we should all be worried about it. What are the dangers of AI, and how can we prepare for them?
00:04:04.000I am Joe Allen, and this is War Room Battleground.
00:04:07.000The race to artificial superintelligence is on.
00:04:11.000Frontier companies such as OpenAI, Google, XAI, and Anthropic are hurtling towards what they believe will be artificial general intelligence,
00:04:22.000a system that is able to do any cognitive task a human can do, and then, presumably, artificial superintelligence,
00:04:30.000a system smarter than every human being collectively on Earth, otherwise known as a digital deity.
00:04:39.000In the meantime, the AIs we have right now are turning people's brains into mush and turning their hearts into vessels for cold computer code.
00:04:49.000We've seen many, many instances of AI psychosis and a few tragic instances of children who turned to AI for solace and for advice,
00:05:02.000and the AIs instructed them on how to kill themselves.
00:05:06.000One of these is Adam Rain, who turned to chat GPT, and GPT explained to him how to tie a noose and urged him not to go to his parents when he felt this suicidal ideation.
00:05:21.000Now, we've wondered how many people out there are thinking like this.
00:05:26.000How many people are using AI for this sort of thing?
00:05:30.000OpenAI just released the numbers that they have internally.
00:05:35.000Wired reports that, according to the OpenAI numbers,
00:05:40.0000.07% of their 800 million users are experiencing something like AI psychosis.
00:05:49.000Now, that might not sound like much, but that ultimately ends up being 560,000 people that we know of just using GPT who are going nuts.
00:06:01.000They also reported that 0.15% are experiencing suicidal thoughts and turning to the AIs for advice.
00:08:54.000I think Sora is going to really damage the lives of many people by, you know, these deep fakes that it's going to create.
00:09:02.000There are so many children today that are just turning to AI instead of using any kind of critical thinking skills.
00:09:09.000There was a study that I was just reading that in May 2025, 69% of high school students were using ChatGPT at least weekly to help them with their homework and school assignments.
00:09:24.000And then a study just from this past, a survey from this past summer showed that 93% of students have used AI at least once or twice to complete an entire assignment.
00:09:39.000Yeah, anecdotally, I've been going to different colleges around the country, and that's all I hear.
00:09:46.000I hear from really good students that their peers are using it, not just for help, but to complete their assignments for them, to do all their thinking for them.
00:09:57.000As far as the Sora thing goes, you know, if the audience remembers the clip of John F. Kennedy and the guy looking up at the fake moon and all that.
00:10:04.000Well, I was in San Francisco when Sora was released and some guys were playing with it.
00:10:10.000They said, well, what would you like to see, Joe?
00:10:12.000And I said, I don't want to have anything to do with it.
00:10:13.000But then I thought, well, maybe this would be funny.
00:10:15.000And in a couple of seconds, just say, you know, John F. Kennedy, say the moon's not real.
00:10:20.000And the machine created all the context, all the video out of that.
00:10:23.000It just makes what used to be the province of imagination and creativity as easy as clicking a button.
00:10:31.000So turning to your book, your book has just been released.
00:12:44.000And she teaches the reader how to become a critical thinker, how to ask the right questions, what propaganda is, how to spot propaganda, the importance of informed consent, why we should never have censorship.
00:12:57.000And I think that these are all really important things for children of today to know and to learn because really critical thought is not, it's not really taught in schools anymore, especially now with the introduction of AI.
00:13:12.000If a child wants to, you know, is given an assignment to do a report to research something, all they have to do is go to ChatGPT, you know, or Grok or any one of these AI sources, type in the question, the research topic that they need to study or write about, and it's all just given to them.
00:13:31.500They're not taught any research skills.
00:13:34.500And so all the information is just given to them.
00:13:36.500They can actually, if they are, let's say they're in sixth grade, seventh grade, whatever it is, they can actually ask ChatGPT to write the paper that they need from the perspective of a seventh grader.
00:13:50.500And so they will write in the language of a seventh grader, they will, they can ask ChatGPT, cite their sources, and ChatGPT will do that.
00:14:00.480So now children are not even learning how to cite sources.
00:14:03.800And so really, we are going to be seeing a very quickly a dumbing down of today's children if we don't step in and really teach them critical thought.
00:14:16.140You know, the sub-theme of your book, the pandemic, the great germ panic of 2020 and the subsequent COVIDian cult, that was an enormous disaster for education.
00:14:30.020You had all these kids who didn't go to school, many of them who became little mini screen monkeys.
00:14:35.960They were given ed tech and laptops and told this is what school is all about.
00:14:40.320And on the heels of that now, you have the push to give them all AI.
00:14:45.480I'm not going to go out on a limb and say it's all part of a master plan.
00:14:49.660In fact, it's so distributed, it doesn't seem like any human has made the plan, but maybe someone a little bit further up the food chain.
00:14:56.660On that note, though, a lot of parents and teachers have told me that they're really concerned that we're going to basically schools will crank out an entire generation of incompetent graduates and ultimately render diplomas, you know, valueless.
00:15:15.100There really won't be any kind of prestige attached to them because everyone will assume they cheated.
00:15:19.980I think that there will be a lot of students of their own volition and a lot of parents who urge their children to not go with that stream, to go against the current, to be critical thinkers, to be independent thinkers.
00:15:36.160And I am fairly convinced that there will be enough of them to get us through.
00:16:20.820And so I hope that you, you are very optimistic there and I hope that you're correct.
00:16:25.700But I'm a little worried because right now the scores for children, especially since, you know, we, all these children were locked down and out of school and stuck online for, you know, this Zoom education.
00:16:40.200Um, they, their scores are showing that the decline in education and, and their reading scores and math scores are at an all time low.
00:16:51.340Um, you know, you know, fourth graders, the, the recent information on fourth graders is that their reading level is below, uh, 40% of fourth graders are below average reading.
00:17:05.300Um, eighth graders, it's, it's really sad for, um, eighth grade, eighth graders right now, it, they're scoring below basic level of reading.
00:17:16.280Math scores are lower than ever before.
00:17:20.040And, um, you know, we, I don't know how we catch these children up.
00:17:25.060They, they literally missed, you know, two year, almost two years of, of education in school.
00:17:30.980Not only that, but their mental health was affected.
00:17:34.180Their peer relationships were affected.
00:17:36.120All of these things, you know, play a part and we're seeing more children who are depressed and have anxiety more than ever before.
00:17:47.160And so all of this kind of plays a role into, in today's society and their education and their critical thought and how they function in the world.
00:17:55.880What the pandemic did to children was very damaging.
00:17:59.040Yeah, more specifically what the authorities brought down on children, the, the lockdown to AI symbiote pipeline.
00:18:10.240Again, you know, Klaus Schwab in his infinite wisdom certainly saw what was going on and in fact encouraged it in his book, The Great Reset.
00:18:19.340Calling the pandemic a narrow window of opportunity to digitize those people who would otherwise not be comfortable with screens in their faces all the time and mass surveillance.
00:18:31.820I wonder, Shannon, so the bleak picture of the current state of education, the low test scores, the low competent competency evaluations.
00:18:43.400I think people hear it and they get really depressed.
00:18:47.020I know I don't feel better having heard it.
00:18:49.520I wonder where are parents and where are schools succeeding?
00:18:56.340Do private schools, charter schools, Christian schools, do they do better?
00:18:59.800Are there public schools in different regions that do better than others?
00:19:04.740Is there a way to give the audience a little levity because they know I'm not going to give it to them?
00:19:10.140Well, you know, I'm in California where, you know, our vaccine, we have vaccine mandate laws.
00:19:18.140We have the strictest vaccine mandate laws in the nation.
00:19:20.780And so a child who's just missing one single vaccine is not allowed to actually go to school, public school, private school.
00:19:29.060The only option for education is homeschool.
00:19:32.020And so, you know, I'm lucky enough to have the ability to be able to homeschool, you know, the financial ability to be able to homeschool my children.
00:19:47.720And so a lot of people have actually had to leave California in order to get their children an education that is in school.
00:19:57.260However, I will say, like, I absolutely love homeschool because I have a lot more control over what my children are learning.
00:20:05.340They are not being, you know, fed this woke ideology that so many of the public schools, especially here in California, are teaching our children.
00:20:17.340And so I'm somebody who, you know, from just my personal perspective and my personal experience, I absolutely love homeschool.
00:20:25.620I believe that Christian schools are also a really great option for children.
00:20:30.200And they seem to be a little bit more strict with the education that they are teaching their children.
00:20:39.480I would say if a parent could send their child to a private school, you know, however, private schools are extremely expensive.
00:20:49.140And so, you know, sometimes there's private schools that are like literally college tuitions.
00:20:54.880And so, you know, I would say that if you could send your child to a private school or a Christian school, that's much better than a than a public school where, you know, in the public school, it's kind of like anything goes.
00:21:10.720And that's pretty scary because and when a child is in a public school where anything goes and they're taught that there's, you know, more than two genders and all the other stuff, there's not really any room for them to challenge the narrative.
00:21:27.140And what my book, Let's Be Critical Thinkers, does it actually teaches children, you know, to challenge the narrative.
00:21:34.000I think that it's really important to have room for debate.
00:21:38.220And when you're in a public school and you're being taught that a child's being taught that there's more than two genders and if they say, no, there's, you know, female and male, that kid is going to get in trouble.
00:21:53.580And that's really a that's really dangerous for society.
00:21:57.420And so really what my book really encourages children to do is it empowers them and it teaches them how to critically think and ask the right questions and really kind of challenge the narrative in a very respectful way.
00:22:09.780You know, on that note, last question, and it's a bit of a challenging one, I think this really shows how history is a bit cyclical at times.
00:22:22.140So now you have conservatives at the vanguard of critical thinking, not that conservatives haven't always been critical thinkers, but by and large, conservatives have tried to maintain a status quo.
00:22:34.700Hence, even the term in the 60s, 70s, you saw the real push for critical thinking, kind of critical theory, culture of critique, the leftist sort of vanguard pushing against the at the time, Christian, European and American hegemony.
00:22:55.640Now we're in a very, very different situation.
00:22:57.820So my question is, as children are being taught critical thinking, how do you balance that with respect for tradition?
00:23:06.540How do you teach them to be critical thinkers without them going off the rails and becoming, you know, rabid leftists who hate you and and the country that you brought them into?
00:23:15.920Well, I think a lot of that actually, you know, starts within the home, I think that parents need to really talk to their children, more than ever before.
00:23:27.700That is something that I do with my children, I, you know, especially when we went through the pandemic, I was pointing out all the different things like propaganda, messaging, and, and asking their opinions.
00:23:40.940I think it's really important for parents to have conversations and engage with their children, ask them questions, debate is healthy.
00:23:50.180And, you know, and that's actually something that we really saw, you know, with Charlie Kirk, for instance, he really welcomed debate.
00:23:56.600Right. And, and, and, and unfortunately, you know, he was killed for that. But, you know, we need to really bring debate back. And, and, again, not in any kind of a negative way, not in an argumentative way. But I think really healthy debate having the sharing the difference of opinions and kind of going back and forth.
00:24:17.680And having that discourse is so important in a well-functioning society. And opinions should be allowed.
00:24:26.400What we saw during the pandemic with the censorship. Anybody who said, myself, you know, I lost my entire social media during the pandemic, because I was sharing information about the COVID shot. And, you know, I was highly censored.
00:24:46.440I don't think that any kind of research medical opinions should ever be censored. And we're seeing that right now with Secretary Kennedy, how the Democrats are really kind of trying to shut him down or get him kicked out. And because he is sharing an opinion that they don't like. Yet he is actually writing research for that. And so I think it's really important. Yeah.
00:25:10.320Shannon, where can people find the book? Where would you direct them to purchase this? Any parents or grandparents that want their kids to be critical thinkers?
00:25:19.780The book is sold on every major, you know, book selling website, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, and it's out now.
00:25:28.480And what's your social media, Shannon?
00:25:31.640My ex is Dr. Dr. Shannon Croner. And my Instagram is Dr. Dr. Shannon Cron.
00:25:40.320All right. Well, thank you very much. We really appreciate it. I hope parents will turn their children into critical thinkers.
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00:31:28.240As you well know, I am no fan of artificial intelligence or most any technology unless I have to use it to make a living.
00:31:35.700And even then, I got to say, this isn't exactly a comfortable situation staring into a camera and speaking to ghost-like wraiths somewhere out in America.
00:31:45.760But artificial intelligence in particular is something that I have basically no use for.
00:31:51.040As a writer, I think if you use AI to assist in your writing, you are no longer a writer.
00:31:57.760You are basically a vessel for algorithms.
00:32:00.280And if you don't list GPT as a co-author, then you're also a plagiarist.
00:32:05.340I know it's different for other professions, doctors, soldiers, financiers.
00:32:10.340But from my perspective, AI is less than useless.
00:32:15.560First and foremost, the psychological and social damage of having a bunch of human AI symbiotes,
00:32:22.520brain dead, guided by algorithms as if they were ants following pheromone trails.
00:32:27.480And, of course, the economic threat of being replaced, replacing riders with chatbots, replacing teachers with virtual avatars, replacing soldiers with drones.
00:32:43.140And even then, that doesn't really account for the most extreme warnings that we hear about where this all could go.
00:32:51.120If you have, first, artificial general intelligence, as smart as any human being at anything, then you already have the economic greater replacement.
00:33:02.220But should that general intelligence begin to self-improve and become a superintelligence, some sort of godlike entity that is smarter than every human being on Earth,
00:33:13.460by its nature, you would not be able to control it.
00:33:17.620By its nature, you wouldn't even be able to comprehend what it's doing.
00:33:21.840Someone who has tracked this for a long time and was at the forefront of warning about the most extreme existential risks of artificial intelligence is Connor Leahy,
00:33:32.720the CEO at Conjecture and Advisor to Control AI.
00:33:37.640Connor has written a piece that is online right now, The Compendium.
00:33:42.880You can find it at thecompendium.ai, and it was released almost a year ago to the date.
00:33:50.060I think that his arguments have been vindicated, and I hope that his projections have not been, but we shall see.
00:33:57.100Connor, thank you very much for coming on.
00:35:22.300So, this is very important when you do politics in general, is that it has to be a topic you're allowed to talk about, in a sense.
00:35:30.340And there's kind of, it's getting harder and harder for the people who are trying to dismiss or hide or propagandize away these kinds of risks to deny that there is an actual thing here.
00:35:40.100There is, it's harder to hide from our politicians, from the general public, what's actually going on here.
00:35:46.900Like, as you said, I've been worried about these issues for a long, long time.
00:35:50.280And now it's really great to see that more and more of the general public and, you know, media is, you know, taking these risks seriously, is discussing these issues, because it does really affect all of us.
00:36:00.380So, will this in itself, by itself, lead to a ban?
00:36:04.720I think there's a lot of hard work to be done, but this is, you know, in many ways, kind of like the, you know, a warning shot of flair, you know, that we should get going.
00:36:15.340One thing that really struck me about your piece, the compendium or essay, manifesto, as it were, is that one of the solutions, perhaps the primary solution you put forward, is to cultivate a sense of civic duty.
00:36:28.640That if people really care about their societies and their families, they wouldn't want such a thing as artificial superintelligence to come into existence.
00:36:39.740Yes, I think this is very, very important.
00:36:41.580So, like, we have run polls across multiple countries, bipartisan across the world.
00:36:45.740There is an unbelievable, like, historically almost unprecedented level of support for this idea of, you know, regulating dangerous superintelligent AI.
00:36:59.680If you make something that is smarter than all humans, don't know how to control it, how exactly does that turn out well for humans?
00:37:06.500Like, you know, I'm open to the argument, but, like, I have not heard anyone make a good case here.
00:37:11.000And, like, there's this deep thing where we have all of these, like, you know, tech companies and the people behind them building these extremely powerful technologies.
00:37:19.740And it's actually building is leading.
00:37:22.060It's very important to understand that AIs are quite different from other software.
00:37:25.460They're not really written with, like, lines of code.
00:38:11.000I think both of these are, you know, very dangerous worlds to be in and not worlds that people want to be in.
00:38:16.940And people have made their voices clear in polls across the world that this is not what people want.
00:38:21.240And I truly believe that people have a right and a stake to their lives, their safety, the lives and the safety of their friends, their family, their nation.
00:38:38.860And I think the same thing should be applied here.
00:38:41.120Before we return to that idea that this should be stopped, it maybe could be stopped, and what the possible paths are to get there, you open up the compendium.
00:38:52.380And, again, this was published a year ago almost to the day.
00:38:55.680You open up the compendium talking about the state of the art of AI.
00:38:59.580And at that time, people were, by and large, in the dark.
00:39:03.360They didn't understand the complexities, the non-deterministic nature of neural networks, and the black box phenomenon.
00:39:11.240I think the understanding is quite a bit better now, a year later, broadly speaking.
00:39:16.400But the technology continues to develop.
00:39:19.820You're always shooting at a moving target.
00:39:21.900So if you could, what do you see, having had a year now to see the development of the technology, how different is it today?
00:39:31.660How different of a world is it with GPT-5 and Grok 4 than it was on Halloween in 2024?
00:41:49.720Maybe you can give a brother some advice.
00:41:52.220It's very difficult to shoot at this moving target, right, as the technology keeps changing.
00:41:57.760And around that, there's all this noise.
00:41:59.900You have the deniers on one side, the dismissers, the doubters, those that say that this is all basically just a toy, an overpriced toy in a bubble that's just going to pop and everything's going to go away.
00:42:10.620We'll go back to, I guess, social media and smartphones.
00:42:13.740On the other side, you have this expectation that is pretty overtly religious that what they're building is digital God.
00:42:24.060It will cure all disease and perhaps allow us to be immortal.
00:42:27.800So between those two poles, you have this rapidly developing technology.
00:42:33.480How do you communicate the intensity and the urgency of the problems associated with this rapid development while avoiding some of the extreme hype on the one side and getting past the doubters on the other?
00:42:49.800I think this is a genuine tricky communications challenge.
00:42:55.200It's not just a tricky communications challenge because it's hard to explain.
00:42:58.680My experience has been that a lot of people are very reasonable and you can explain these things quite simply to people.
00:43:04.320As I said, the basic argument of we shouldn't even attempt to build things that are smarter than us, pretty plausible.
00:43:10.880Even if we don't have it, I think we shouldn't even attempt to go there.
00:43:14.800It should be illegal to even try to build a superintelligence, never mind succeed.
00:43:19.180So the way I usually think about this is that what the actual thing we want is we want to make it illegal to attempt to do this.
00:43:25.700We want to make it we want to restrict precursors, because if we wait until we see the first superintelligence, it's already way too late.
00:43:34.400And I think this is a very common sense thing that most people can understand.
00:43:38.500It's like, yeah, that actually seems like something we shouldn't do.
00:43:41.840It's it's really interesting to bring up the religious aspect here, because I do actually think this is a very important one that sometimes gets underappreciated is that.
00:43:51.020So I know a lot of people that work at these companies.
00:43:54.200You know, I've gone to their parties in San Francisco before, like, you know, and it is to for many, not by all means all, but to many, many of these people, including many people in charge of technology, it is a religion.
00:44:08.300The reason they want to build superintelligence and the reason they want to do it as fast as possible is because they want to do it kind of before anyone notices what they're doing, because they want to live forever.
00:44:23.400Like, I've heard some, I mean, really just like awful things being said at these parties about like how these people think about other humans and what, you know, they should or shouldn't be done with them.
00:44:35.100And I think there is a there's a real aspect here that's quite important to understand that there is an ideological aspect of this as well.
00:44:54.500They want to distract from the very simple thing that we should be able to look at like, hey, these people are doing things that are already harming people today and is only getting worse and they don't have control over it.
00:45:05.620And why should they have the right to even attempt to do something like this?
00:45:09.560Like, if they succeed by their own lights, what they put in their own marketing copy, like, why are we letting people even try to do this?
00:45:19.300Well, to close out, what do you envision as a legitimate path to just the simple the simple ask?
00:45:28.500No super intelligence, no drive towards creating a digital God.
00:45:34.040Legally speaking, how do you see it going forward?
00:45:36.800National legislation, an international body enforcing it, treaties, agreements.
00:45:48.540And what do you see as a legitimate path to banning super intelligence?
00:45:51.960I think it's very important to see here that China also has no interest in going extinct.
00:45:59.500This is not to the benefit of the Chinese Communist Party or the Chinese people.
00:46:03.100The same way that going extinct is not beneficial to the American people or the American government.
00:46:08.040That doesn't mean that there isn't a real...
00:46:09.600Real quick on that, sorry to interrupt, but just real quick on that, maybe not, maybe Xi Jinping and his various ministers don't, but presumably neither do Sam Altman or Elon Musk, so on and so forth.
00:46:23.160So should we assume that China wouldn't push forward just as American companies are pushing forward?
00:46:28.440I don't think we should assume that at all, actually.
00:46:31.500I think this is, in many sense, should be seen as a Cold War situation.
00:46:36.720I think this is a very, very hard problem.
00:46:39.120There is actual competition happening, and denying that would be ridiculous.
00:46:43.480What I'm saying here is that there are ways forward here in that what needs to happen is kind of the same things we did in the Cold War with the USSR,
00:46:51.220is that it's hard to make regimes to find international ways of regulating mutually enforceable agreements.
00:47:00.080The way I like to think about it is that at some point somewhere, we have to have some kind of way of mutually verifiable agreements to not build superintelligence.
00:47:44.440There needs to be some kind of way for us to deal with it.
00:47:48.180I don't think it makes sense, you know, for just like, you know, one country to, you know, say something.
00:47:55.120It's a thing that we have to do at a large scale.
00:47:57.980But I also think it's definitely not like, do you feel like the USA is currently in charge of AI?
00:48:03.780I think the companies are in charge, which I think is a very different thing from saying the US is in charge.
00:48:08.020Yeah, so a multilateral approach before unilateral, you would say, you wouldn't necessarily recommend the US government ban US companies as opposed to kind of pushing more towards something more international.
00:48:24.260The thing I would recommend to the US government is I do think the US government should have more control over what happens within its borders.
00:48:30.760I think at the moment, the US government has very little.
00:48:36.040I will say the US government may have, you know, secret projects I'm not aware of.
00:48:39.820But my understanding is that the US government has relatively very light touch on these companies, that these companies are mostly able to act in impunity.
00:48:47.780They're able to build their data centers in foreign countries.
00:48:49.920They're able to ship their data, you know, include to hostile countries.
00:48:53.060I have heard from insiders in these companies that a lot of the AI training data and stuff is stored on servers in countries that, you know, are not friends of the United States.
00:49:03.460So in a sense, I think it would be great if the United States government had very good understanding, very good transparency and very good oversight over what exactly is happening here.
00:49:14.600I would like if the United States population could have a vote on what are we going to allow these companies to do.
00:49:26.720I think, you know, the people should be able to decide.
00:49:29.040I think our elected representatives should have a say in how much risk the American public is exposed to from companies, including US companies.
00:49:37.500But ultimately, yes, ultimately, we need a multilateral agreement at some point.
00:49:41.560At some point, somewhere, we need to find a way where, you know, not just US and China, but also other countries, you know, across the world, middle powers across the world can come to an agreement that we should not do this and it should be enforced.
00:49:54.320We should find a way to mutually check and enforce upon each other.
00:49:57.620I think there's a lot of common sense domestic policy that can be done first, such as I say, good transparency and oversight is what are these companies doing within your borders?
00:50:07.340What where are they putting the data outside of your borders?
00:50:09.860Are you OK with them moving that data outside of your borders?
00:50:12.680All of this, I think, is already things that, you know, you know, our nation can do right now.
00:50:16.280Well, Connor, I could talk to you all day about this and we definitely want to have you back.
00:50:21.860Tell the audience where they can follow your work, where they can find the compendium, so on and so forth.
00:50:26.300And until then, hopefully keep them busy with some homework.
00:50:30.820Find me on X at NP Collapse and you can find my company at Conjecture.dev, the compendium at the compendium.ai.