Liz and I discuss the new president of the USCCB, Paul Coakley. Is he a conservative Catholic in the culture war, or is he part of the usual media con on Catholics? Plus, we take a look at Pope Francis and his immigration agenda.
00:01:33.820Thanks very much, Denver, for putting that right up.
00:01:35.900That's basically the Associated Press reading one.
00:01:40.200The Associated Press, the AP, as the War Imposse, you will know.
00:01:44.240It's one of the three great international press agencies and their copies picked up by the mainstream press right across the world.
00:01:53.260And, folks, they are spinning this guy as a conservative.
00:01:58.780This is a conservative on the culture war.
00:02:02.160And if you want to take a look at Canon 212, you'll see the correct take on this.
00:02:09.460But they really give the game away because the whole attempt here is to condition our minds, especially in the Catholic Church, to condition what we think from the mainstream media.
00:02:20.100So they're saying, oh, this guy is a conservative in the culture war, which is code for basically saying he's against abortion.
00:02:28.540But they say he is going to be pro-Leo's pet project following on from Bergoglio, Pope Francis, on the immigration front.
00:02:45.400Liz, I know you follow these things very closely.
00:03:39.320So, you know, he, I think, frankly, is hiding behind Oklahoma City and Oklahoma as the stronghold of conservative Catholics.
00:03:50.360And when, you know, the Guardian and others say they elected a conservative president of the USCCB, you know, my concern is, first of all, compared to the rest of them, I guess he's more conservative leaning.
00:04:03.920However, he was president of the Catholic Relief Services, which was one of the largest beneficiary of USAID.
00:04:16.720And he is, in fact, you know, I frankly don't think Francis would have allowed him to have been appointed if he was not going to commit to a full frontal assault on Donald Trump's second term as president, battling the Trump administration on immigration.
00:04:40.040The number two vice president was Bishop Daniel Flores of Brownsville, who has been doing nothing but promoting the immigration agenda.
00:04:54.260So, you know, I'm, you know, it's wait and see.
00:04:57.100I cannot believe, you know, we know that Prevost, Pope Leo, has been very vocal.
00:05:04.960He was caught on a hot mic telling the US bishops in the Vatican that he wanted a louder USCCB against migration.
00:05:15.960And, you know, look, this is just infuriating to Catholics.
00:05:19.960First of all, they use the argument that, oh, ISIS coming into the masses.
00:05:26.780Secondly, they refuse to recognize that 80% of Americans support mass deportation.
00:05:36.280Thirdly, you know, the Vatican has a 39-foot cement wall surrounding it to protect it way back when from Mohammedans invading and has the strictest immigration laws in all of Europe.
00:05:51.860And so for them to lecture us is just insulting.
00:05:57.560And, you know, Coakley has shown some signs.
00:06:00.480He expressed concern about gender dysphoria and the promotion of gender ideology.
00:06:07.320He's also, but he's also been, you know, front and center criticizing mass deportations.
00:06:12.860And he said, look, these deportations are, quote, creating fear and even distress for our immigrant migrant and refugee neighbors who have arrived in search of the same dreams that awaited many of our ancestors at a different moment in time.
00:06:30.760Look, this is the talking points that the USCCP is doing.
00:06:37.200And frankly, as we have talked about in this program, they have a severe conflict of interest.
00:06:43.840They have lost, as a result of the Trump administration, billions of dollars to facilitate the illegal welcoming of migrants in the United States.
00:06:57.680They have been responsible for placing hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied minor children in unvetted homes.
00:07:07.240And so we're going to continue to see this push.
00:07:11.080It's going to come from the Bishop's Conference.
00:07:14.600I think that's clearly the message from Rome and from the Vatican.
00:07:18.260And I think we have to be very clear as Catholics that this is an issue that is one that we are in direct opposition to the bishops.
00:07:31.360And they're going to continue to push this.
00:07:36.880And Coakley, whether he's, quote, unquote, a conservative or whether he's hiding behind the skirt of Oklahoma City, which is a conservative city and Oklahoma State, we'll see.
00:07:50.520But he's already written to the pope and the bishops themselves sent a letter to the pope this week from their meeting saying that they will continue to stand with migrants and defend everyone's right to worship free from intimidation.
00:08:09.680Lest we forget, none of us were free to worship because the bishops shut down the masses, shut down the churches during COVID, shut down the sacraments to the elderly and the dying because of the dictates from the Vatican and the SACB.
00:08:27.800So none of us should be pulled into the left wing of the Catholic Church thinking, oh, we're just defending the rights to worship.
00:08:38.540ICE isn't going into churches, and I don't hear one word from these bishops about the hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans that have been hurt, killed, injured because of illegal immigrants, many of whom, 70 percent of the ones that have been arrested already, have a long line of criminal warrants or convictions.
00:09:07.920And so, you know, the bishops have been absolutely silent about what we see, even though the media has been trying to cover up for all of these murders and rapes and, in fact, decapitations by illegal aliens.
00:09:26.580This is why Americans want our streets restored to safety, our homes, our society, and they are four square behind Donald Trump, despite what the bishops say from their meeting in Baltimore and from their mansions in their mansions and their rectories and their dioceses.
00:09:52.860Okay, Liz, you're so much to break down on that. Thank you for that analysis.
00:10:00.860I'm going to keep all the points that you mentioned up here and try and quickly respond to them.
00:10:06.420Firstly, on the issue that this is all about the grift, the bishops' policy positions, all about the institutional grift at U.S. taxpayers' expense, you're going to break that down in the second half of the show.
00:10:21.320Because that's really very important to keep on track of that. That's the first thing.
00:10:27.180The second thing you mentioned, that in the elections, there came to a final runoff, and you mentioned Bishop Flores of Brownsville in Texas.
00:10:34.840I think that came down to a three-round vote in the end before Bishop Coakley eventually pipped ahead.
00:10:44.900And I agree with everything you're saying. And absolutely, U.S. Catholics should not slip back into a position of complacency with regards to their bishops on political policy positions, the prudential matters, and just blindly accept what they're told.
00:11:06.360That is absolutely the case. There is, however, one thing I just want to pick up about this guy, which I think is a slight anomaly from what one might expect.
00:11:17.760The first thing, as you were saying, Liz, is that the conference could have easily have gone for someone far worse, right?
00:11:26.500Without saying that this is a good guy or a guy to be trusted, they could have gone for someone worse.
00:11:31.760I think, broadly, I don't particularly find Bishop Robert Barron to be conservative on any stretch, though he does cultivate that veneer.
00:11:44.240I would probably suggest that the conference went probably for the most conservative, it's all relative, right, of the 10 or so candidates.
00:11:56.000And I want to ask you what you make of that. And also, the anomaly I was mentioning was back in 2018.
00:12:04.940He was publicly supporting Archbishop Viganò, who is held in very high regard here by the war room posse, very high regard for his heroic leadership against Pope Francis in the last pontificate.
00:12:23.000He went so hard against Francis, against Bergoglio, he was actually excommunicated, Viganò, Archbishop Viganò, excommunicated, and still is, well, excommunicated to this day.
00:12:36.300So what do you make, Liz, about the fact that back in 2013, when there's the whole, you had the dossier in Cardinal McCarrick, very, very, back in the days, very, very important guy in the Catholic Church.
00:12:52.940And our guy here, Coakley, spoke out in favor of Archbishop Viganò and his dossier.
00:13:04.820Is that something that the war room posse should just bear in the back of their minds?
00:13:09.720No, I mean, that's fine. You know, look, this is my concern, Ben. I mean, if he won the vast majority of the quote unquote conservative bishops, if the vast majority or slight majority of the USCCB is conservative leaning so that Coakley won, Coakley who has, you know, made statements about Viganò, where have they been?
00:13:35.900Where have these silent shepherds, compliant sheep been? You know, if they, you know, if they are going to elect Coakley, open up your mouth and fight for restoring Christianity into America, to lead the church, not shutting down the Latin mass, not closing churches left and right, as we've seen this fall.
00:14:02.120You know, it's, you know, so, okay, they elected a bureaucrat. Look, the USCCB, which was originally founded by none other than Joe Bernadine, is a bureaucracy.
00:14:15.320And what we need are strong shepherds who battle as cultural warriors.
00:14:21.380And, you know, I'm not impressed that they will cast a vote for Coakley, who at one point supported Viganò.
00:14:30.520What I am demanding from our shepherds is that they promote the faith, help, you know, bring the sacraments to restore the Catholic Church, the great Catholic Church to America, and to be brave and bold leaders.
00:14:47.980So, you know, okay, this is a bureaucracy, you know, it's an appointment, but mark my word, they're going to be battling, this bureaucracy is going to be battling Donald Trump for the next three years on immigration.
00:15:06.100And we, as Catholics, have to stand up and start speaking out and hold these guys accountable.
00:15:14.320They do not belong in this realm. They belong in the salvation of souls.
00:15:19.440They have a severe conflict of interest.
00:15:22.280The grift has been exposed, it's going to continue to be exposed, and what role they had in bringing in 450,000 unaccompanied minor children, dumping them with unvetted, some pedophiles, some predators, we will find out and we should demand it.
00:15:43.700So, I mean, it's just, you know, we have to speak clearly and not, you know, have, you know, our eyes glazed over because, you know, the Guardian says he's a conservative, in my opinion.
00:15:55.220A thousand percent. I think my money is that this choice will enable the US Catholic bishops to pursue a line of performative conservatism because they need the donors, they need the collection plate money because the Catholic parishioners are overwhelmingly more conservative, more traditionalist as well than their bishops and their highling shepherds.
00:16:22.720So, to keep the performance going on, they've got someone who will fit that perfectly.
00:16:29.300But on the fundamental issue of the day, which is the invasion, these people are going to be stabbing you, faithful Catholics, in the back from this day forth.
00:16:41.000Stay with us. We're going to come with you and come back to you later on in the show to dig a little deeper now on just how flagrant,
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00:22:08.440And he says, I saw all my relatives from the past, my uncles, my grandparents, all there with me, even though there wasn't anybody there, really.
00:22:15.860But he's saying that the past, the theology is all gone, and now the past is all part of my ceremony.
00:22:37.740He did absolutely attribute his conversion, or technically a reversion.
00:22:42.260He was baptized as a kid, I think, as Catholic, to Pope Francis's legacy of inclusivity.
00:22:50.900Here's my question for you, Frank Walker.
00:22:54.520You're an astute observer of these things.
00:22:56.780I don't want to doubt his specific conversion, reversion back to the Catholic faith.
00:23:07.760But there is something more going on here.
00:23:09.980And watching those images as you were talking, I think it's quite clear.
00:23:15.280I think this is a theatrical production manipulated by Father Martin himself, because he knows the power of these images.
00:23:26.460And he knows the effect that it's going to have of effectively seeing the Catholic Church spiritually prostrating herself before the secular values of this world.
00:23:38.340So whilst I don't know this guy, and I wouldn't want to say whether the conversion is real or not.
00:23:49.900That said, if he's not going to bring his life in conformity to the Catholic Church, one can have a suspicion as to the genuineness.
00:24:00.760But then, of course, Frank Walker, it's quite possible if he's been shepherded into the church by James Martin, it's quite possible he has no idea what the Catholic Church actually teaches.
00:24:12.440Because all he's been presented with is a misrepresentation, a duplicitous misrepresentation.
00:24:19.820But do you think that James Martin was here, that it's an orchestration at the start of the leonine pontificate to say this is where the Catholic Church is now, and if you don't support this, how can you be—you can hear the words, can't you?
00:24:38.420How can you Pharisees be against someone returning to Holy Mother Church?
00:24:44.240Well, you're right about mentioning Leo, because under Leo's pontificate, what Francis started has blossomed, you know, and with Kissy Fernandez's, Cardinal Fernandez's of the doctrine that invented this gay blessing that they can do now, they're happening all over the place.
00:25:00.220And this kind of thing is being ramped up, and as you can see, whether he's sincere or not, I don't think it matters whether he's sincere.
00:25:09.500He's a media professional, a propagandist professional, a seasoned professional who's been doing this in a secular way for a long, long time.
00:25:19.100Father Martin is a professional in creating this new church.
00:25:23.100The whole point of this is not to show that he's converted to Catholicism, but that Catholicism has changed and come to meet him.
00:25:30.540Just like he says, just like when God created Michelangelo and created Adam, Michelangelo created Adam, God touching Adam now, Gio is reaching back to God.
00:26:28.920And it's all carefully planned and put together to make the low information person, the person who's not really, because he's not a Catholic, think that this is the new Catholic church.
00:26:42.980And I think that the chiographer in chief is Father James Martin.
00:26:48.340And you can use every argument in defense of this, what happened here in this church in your next story just after the break, Frank Walker.
00:29:15.640You know, I didn't know this until the guys at Field of Greens, the doctors and the experts, told me about it and then gave me information.