Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 891： Tech Bros, Designer Babies, and AI Suicides

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.700 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.940 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.200 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.120 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.540 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.300 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.240 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.500 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.900 Mega Media.

00:00:28.800 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.680 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.440 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.800 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:54.540 The AI is going to be in charge, to be totally frank, not humans.

00:00:58.800 If artificial intelligence vastly exceeds the sum of human intelligence,

00:01:04.660 it is difficult to imagine that any humans will actually be in charge.

00:01:08.420 We just need to make sure the AI is friendly.

00:01:10.020 I think in general, we're all grappling for the right words to describe the arrival of this very,

00:01:17.440 very different technology to anything we've ever seen before.

00:01:20.560 The project of superintelligence should not be about replacing or threatening our species.

00:01:27.160 That should just be taken for granted.

00:01:28.480 And it's crazy to have to actually declare that.

00:01:30.660 That should be self-evident.

00:01:31.760 We may be able to give people, if somebody's committed crime, a more humane form of containment

00:01:37.980 of future crime, which is if you say, like, you now get a free optimist,

00:01:45.340 and it's just going to follow you around and stop you from doing crime.

00:01:47.840 But other than that, you get to do anything.

00:01:50.560 It's just going to stop you from committing crime.

00:01:52.540 That's really it.

00:01:53.540 You don't have to put people in, like, prisons and stuff.

00:01:55.440 It's pretty wild to think of all the possibilities, but I think it's clearly the future.

00:02:02.900 Good evening.

00:02:04.100 I'm Joe Allen, and this is War Room Battleground.

00:02:07.840 As the posse well knows, the wealthiest men on Earth are pursuing a dream of artificial superintelligence.

00:02:15.920 This is a totalizing vision, a dream of a digital god against which no human being can be defiant,

00:02:24.120 against which no human being can compete.

00:02:29.020 If anything remotely close to something like this was created,

00:02:33.960 there would be no recourse but to either serve this digital god, perhaps become its pet,

00:02:40.800 and in the end, as you drift off into sleep in your death pod, maybe become biofuel.

00:02:47.920 At the moment, this is only a dream, but it's a dream fueled by techno-capital,

00:02:54.120 the U.S. government, the U.S. military, and, as far as I can tell,

00:03:00.100 enough of the U.S. population that these men feel emboldened to talk about artificial superintelligence,

00:03:07.540 not as a nightmarish world, but as the world that inevitably is to come.

00:03:12.600 On the flip side of this is the dream of creating better and better human beings

00:03:18.780 that may, if not compete against such a system, would at least be of greater use, greater effectiveness.

00:03:25.480 And so you have everyone from Sam Altman to Brian Johnson to many scientists working diligently in China

00:03:34.940 attempting to improve human biology in an age of A.I.

00:03:40.640 that includes neurological alterations, changing the brain,

00:03:45.940 implanting electrodes in the brain to connect the mind to artificial intelligence,

00:03:51.380 all the way down to the human genome.

00:03:54.940 Babies, designer babies, that have either been selected for their genetic superiority

00:03:59.960 or are actively altered in the germline in order to create a new, more perfect human to endure

00:04:08.700 and perhaps, if the dreams are to be believed, thrive in an age of A.I.

00:04:15.600 Here to talk about this in detail is Emma Waters, a policy analyst at Heritage Foundation.

00:04:22.380 Emma, thank you so much for joining me.

00:04:24.480 We look forward to the nightmarish work that you've been doing at Heritage.

00:04:29.260 Yeah, absolutely.

00:04:29.960 Thanks so much for having me on today.

00:04:31.660 The first thing I'd like to talk about really is a bit about your background

00:04:35.460 and how it is you came to look at everything from embryo selection to genetic alteration,

00:04:42.440 both the ethical and the legal implications of it.

00:04:44.900 Yeah, so it all starts back during the pandemic as technology was radically mediating every part of human life.

00:04:50.840 So, first of all, we couldn't even talk to other people.

00:04:54.620 We couldn't go outside.

00:04:55.500 They were telling us we'd be happier if we were in these houses mediated by our screens.

00:04:59.800 We began to think of ourselves differently, and I realized that this was not the end.

00:05:04.320 Technology was only going to continue eroding our understanding of what it means to be human

00:05:08.380 and what it means to live the good life.

00:05:10.320 So I got really interested in not only technology when it comes to transgenderism

00:05:14.440 or some of our digital technology protections,

00:05:16.580 but specifically how is technology changing human conception and development?

00:05:20.900 How is it changing the ways that we think about what it means to be a parent, a child?

00:05:24.700 Because what this technology ultimately does with gene editing and gene selection

00:05:28.020 is it gives parents this false idea that they actually have control over their children,

00:05:32.700 that they could choose the perfect child or the ideal child.

00:05:36.080 And that seems to me, as a mother of two young children, 0.95

00:05:38.540 as perhaps one of the most foolish and foolhardy things that we could do,

00:05:41.640 because ultimately you're never going to be able to control your child.

00:05:44.120 But what happens to an entire generation of people if that's the mindset and approach we take?

00:05:49.240 Tell me then, just if you would, describe to the audience the process by which embryos are selected

00:05:54.820 and you have the pre-implantation genetic testing, you have IVF, you oftentimes have surrogate mothers.

00:06:01.940 Give us some of the details on how this works.

00:06:04.180 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:04.820 So in IVF today, you take egg and sperm, you create embryos.

00:06:08.900 About 40% of all clinics allow for something called pre-implantation genetic testing,

00:06:13.360 which is where you take a couple of cells from the embryo, biopsy them,

00:06:17.120 and then you analyze them to understand what are the potential health outcomes.

00:06:20.860 So things like Down syndrome or Tay-Sachs disease.

00:06:23.460 And that's pretty common across IVF cycles today.

00:06:26.380 You can choose things like the sex of the embryo with almost near accuracy.

00:06:30.580 I always like to say there's no gender confusion in a fertility clinic lab. 1.00

00:06:33.620 They know exactly what they're promising you.

00:06:35.560 But there's a number of companies that have actually moved to take that further.

00:06:38.960 So you have ORCID, you have Nucleus Genomics, you have Herocyte,

00:06:42.300 funded by all of these same Silicon Valley billionaires that we talked about in the introduction.

00:06:47.040 And what they're doing is they're taking that a whole step further.

00:06:49.980 And they're not only looking at basic single gene outcomes,

00:06:53.880 but they're looking at over 1,200 potential health conditions.

00:06:57.860 And then they're predicting the likelihood that your embryo, your child,

00:07:02.240 could have things like heart disease or diabetes or male pattern baldness

00:07:06.260 or the height of the child or the eye color, the personality, the looks.

00:07:10.120 You could choose a docile child.

00:07:11.460 You could choose an energetic child, a narcissistic one, a competitive one.

00:07:14.820 And they're promising couples that just with their gene analyzing technology

00:07:20.200 that they can actually predict and promise you a certain kind of child.

00:07:24.100 So it's not only about healing infertility, which is why a lot of people go to IVF,

00:07:27.700 but it's about selecting a certain kind of child that fits their own preferences.

00:07:32.540 So, I mean, if you look at behavioral genetics,

00:07:36.800 there are reasons to think that certain gene sequences will result in a competitive

00:07:43.220 or a curious or a defiant child.

00:07:46.080 But how much should any potential designer baby consumer trust these kinds of promises?

00:07:52.660 Yeah, this is a fantastic question.

00:07:54.100 And there are many scientists across the United States and the world

00:07:56.840 who have rightly pointed out that with the current knowledge and understanding

00:08:00.780 and technology that we have today, genetics, so far as we understand them,

00:08:05.080 play about a 5% to 10% indicator of the child's actual outcome.

00:08:09.960 So even if you understood the full genetic profile of your child,

00:08:13.340 that's only about 10% of the time going to influence how the child actually is,

00:08:17.500 personality-wise and health-wise.

00:08:19.300 So even if you think that there is a higher likelihood that your child is going to have heart disease,

00:08:23.520 90% of the actual decision of whether the child gets heart disease or not

00:08:28.920 come down to their lifestyle, their environment, how you raise them.

00:08:32.140 Are they going on runs?

00:08:33.060 Are they eating healthy?

00:08:34.100 Or are they not?

00:08:35.540 So genetics play a pretty small role, relatively speaking.

00:08:39.240 And from the scientists we've talked to,

00:08:40.760 even if our understanding of genetics really explodes in the next 10 to 20 years,

00:08:46.040 we're likely, like the max we're probably going to reach is like a 15% understanding,

00:08:50.320 like genetics being 15% determinant of overall outcomes.

00:08:53.780 So it's a pretty, it's a really small number,

00:08:56.040 and there's still a lot of uncertainty about whether they have any idea what they're actually predicting.

00:09:01.900 On that, though, I mean, this is controversial.

00:09:04.480 A number of geneticists would argue that it's quite a bit more than even 50%

00:09:08.900 as far as genetic contribution to a child's personality, everything else.

00:09:13.960 Obviously, with things like eye color, Down syndrome is 100%.

00:09:17.320 But given, setting aside the controversies on that,

00:09:22.860 when you see these companies that are promising more intelligent children,

00:09:28.480 more beautiful children, stronger children,

00:09:31.540 are parents doing this by and large with eugenics in mind,

00:09:36.660 or is it something that gets sublimated as health or even just aesthetics?

00:09:42.100 Yeah, it's a great question.

00:09:43.120 So important to always define your terms.

00:09:44.940 What is eugenics? 0.80

00:09:45.620 When we're talking about eugenics, what we're talking about is any primary or secondary characteristics

00:09:51.040 that determine the worth or value of the human person,

00:09:54.160 which means that if you're looking at an embryo and you're assessing an embryo's life

00:09:58.000 or its ability to be implanted, live, take their first breath,

00:10:01.500 based on the sex or health or personality,

00:10:04.540 then you've now reduced that human person down from this gift received

00:10:08.900 that has full rights to exist in the world,

00:10:11.240 and you've now made it something that is optional based on the secondary or even primary characteristics.

00:10:16.940 So that's what we mean when we're talking about eugenics, 0.95

00:10:18.860 that a person isn't just a person, but Joe, you know, I don't really like your eye color,

00:10:23.040 so I guess you don't really have a right to exist because I've decided.

00:10:25.760 Hey, man.

00:10:26.460 You know, coming at you personal, right?

00:10:28.320 But like, I'm just kidding.

00:10:29.240 This is what we do in embryo selection all the time.

00:10:32.160 And so that's what we mean by eugenics. 0.86

00:10:34.040 I often call this like a consumer eugenics. 0.79

00:10:36.320 But when you're coming at it with the parents in mind,

00:10:39.180 you are tapping into some of the most fundamental fears and desires of a parent.

00:10:43.920 What parent doesn't want to have a healthy child? 0.92

00:10:47.320 Every parent wants that. 0.96

00:10:49.120 But what they're obscuring behind the scenes is that it's not just about healing a child

00:10:53.680 or optimizing the health of your child later on,

00:10:56.720 but it's actually reducing the child down to these primary predictive characteristics

00:11:01.520 and then choosing genetic winners and losers before they've ever had a chance to take a breath.

00:11:06.720 And so parents think that they're giving their child the best chance at life,

00:11:09.900 but in reality, they're just sorting their embryos to choose which ones live

00:11:13.340 and which ones either are discarded and destroyed or frozen indefinitely.

00:11:17.880 And what's so daunting about this is if you look at the websites like ORCID or Nucleus Genomics,

00:11:22.760 it looks just like a dating profile.

00:11:24.640 It says embryo number one, and then it lists out characteristics, eye color, potential height, hair color,

00:11:30.680 and then it gives you the likelihood of getting a whole number of diseases.

00:11:35.020 And the thing is, many of these diseases or conditions are things that are easily treatable with modern medicine.

00:11:40.020 So it's not that we're opposed to even gene and cell therapies, right?

00:11:42.960 Like there are good gene editing tools available,

00:11:45.760 but it's gene editing that works within the body to heal disease.

00:11:49.460 These are things that are very much in the Make America Healthy Against space.

00:11:52.680 The FDA is doing great work on it.

00:11:54.180 But those heal humans that exist,

00:11:56.420 whereas this technology chooses which humans get to exist in the first place.

00:12:00.680 Now, in the process of pre-implantation genetic testing, IVF, you have to have options.

00:12:07.060 And so they produce 5, 10, even up to 15 embryos.

00:12:12.360 Once the supreme embryo is selected, the rest get hucked into the bio bin, right?

00:12:18.600 Whisked off to the cherub ward.

00:12:20.160 From a religious perspective, how do you feel about this?

00:12:24.320 Yeah, so every human embryo from the moment of fertilization

00:12:27.540 is a genetically complete and distinct human being.

00:12:30.680 And so morally and ethically speaking, then that human embryo has a right to life.

00:12:35.540 And any attempt to intentionally destroy that life is an affront to God himself

00:12:40.100 because it is a destruction of human life intentionally by humans.

00:12:44.420 It's a role that I think is completely inappropriate for humans to play.

00:12:47.680 And this is where this technology, I think, becomes so problematic culturally speaking.

00:12:53.280 Because as you said, once you take the embryos, you rate them,

00:12:55.860 all of a sudden there's this sense that, like, this is the better set of embryos that I want to have.

00:13:00.520 Or in really heartbreaking videos, it's parents saying,

00:13:02.740 well, I really wanted a boy, but I have these girl embryos, 1.00

00:13:05.460 but I don't really want to have a girl.

00:13:06.880 What do I do with them?

00:13:08.060 And to freeze them indefinitely is also not a good thing to do.

00:13:11.780 And it costs about $1,000 a year to do.

00:13:13.900 So you have the massive upfront costs of IVF and of genetic testing,

00:13:17.540 and you're taking on $1,000 a year to maybe freeze them.

00:13:20.680 And so many times parents find themselves in this place where they don't know what to do with them.

00:13:24.920 So, yeah, you do see a lot of parents then destroying embryos,

00:13:28.080 maybe because they're concerned they could have a genetic disease.

00:13:31.000 But instead of embracing that, giving that chance to child at life,

00:13:34.080 really dignifying the dependency of that child, they're simply being eradicated.

00:13:39.240 So think of all the Down syndrome babies in Europe.

00:13:42.120 Where is it, like, Switzerland, where they have, like, no Down syndrome babies?

00:13:45.920 Iceland, yes, Iceland, right?

00:13:47.420 And they're like, we've cured Down syndrome.

00:13:49.080 But they didn't cure Down syndrome.

00:13:50.220 They just killed all the babies that they thought might have Down syndrome.

00:13:53.060 And the thing to note is all of these technologies have over a 50% false positive rate,

00:13:57.900 which means even for basic conditions like Down syndrome,

00:14:00.740 you may think that you have a baby with it,

00:14:03.280 when in reality there's a very good chance you don't.

00:14:05.680 In the case of Down syndrome, too, it's one of those perennial issues, right?

00:14:09.540 There's not, at least to my knowledge, a genetic predisposition for parents to have a child with Down syndrome.

00:14:17.600 And it just seems like something that will just consistently crop up in human life.

00:14:22.180 And it's a choice not to eliminate it, but to constantly abort children with it.

00:14:27.920 Is that accurate?

00:14:29.020 Yeah, that's absolutely it.

00:14:30.220 And in the case of intellectual disabilities, most of them are not hereditary.

00:14:37.360 Most of them either are an issue with the child in utero or some other effect that has created the issue.

00:14:46.600 So in a sense, the eugenic enterprise was initially based on something misguided, inaccurate.

00:14:54.660 IQ is a different story, but, you know, you hear everything from 100 genes are responsible for IQ to 1,000 to more.

00:15:03.720 And nobody really has a good sense, a really good sense of how you would even detect it or control for that.

00:15:09.140 Yeah, no, it's exactly right.

00:15:10.520 The best way to put it is we really don't know what we don't know.

00:15:13.040 And so with these companies like Orchid or even some of the gene editing companies that want to edit every embryo from their hereditary, like a hereditary edit.

00:15:21.820 So it would be passed on to every single child.

00:15:24.040 The thing is, is like many scientists have sort of said, like, there's a very good chance this technology can't even do what it promises doing.

00:15:31.280 But the fact that it promises that it can choose certain kinds of children, that it can predict your child's IQ has a corrosive effect on all of society and the way we think about the relationships between parents and children and even future children themselves.

00:15:46.820 Right. Imagine this Gattaca scenario where you have these elite children of these Silicon Valley billionaires who are selected to be genetically superior.

00:15:55.620 They have their blonde hair and blue eyes and the sharpest IQ, and they're out there to change the world.

00:16:01.180 And everyone knows that when Silicon Valley says they're changing the world or making it better, it probably means they're just trying to control your life and make it worse.

00:16:07.340 And so you have this entire class of humans on the one hand created, and then you have the rest of us.

00:16:11.640 Because the reality is, is most people don't have $50,000, $100,000, $200,000 to invest in these technologies.

00:16:18.000 They're just trying to afford taking care of the child itself when they come.

00:16:21.180 And so it really strikes me, even thinking of the number of AI investors and companies who have really invested in this genetic technology.

00:16:29.200 These are the same AI companies and AI investors who want to automate all of your jobs.

00:16:34.780 They want to rig your elections.

00:16:37.580 2020 is pretty familiar in everyone's minds.

00:16:40.160 They want to control and track everything you do online.

00:16:43.420 And now they want to optimize, control, and track every single child that's created.

00:16:47.280 And they want to be the ones editing future children.

00:16:49.760 I don't know about you, but I have zero trust in Silicon Valley creating somehow optimized or superior humans better than the rest of us can do.

00:16:58.260 And it strikes me that it's going to be incredibly problematic going forward, even with all the moral and ethical questions aside.

00:17:05.100 Well, speaking of that, we know now that Sam Altman and the Coinbase co-founder Brian Armstrong have launched a new company, Preventive.

00:17:14.900 And it's not simply geared towards selecting superior embryos, but they want to actively edit the genome germline so that the child is permanently altered.

00:17:27.660 What do we know about that operation?

00:17:30.740 Some say that they plan to do some of these experiments maybe in the UAE or anywhere outside of the U.S. government's jurisdiction.

00:17:38.440 They deny it, of course, but what do we know about this company or any other companies similar to it?

00:17:43.700 Yes.

00:17:43.980 So when we're talking about germline editing, I think a really good analogy, we'll just take this right here.

00:17:48.540 So you have this, like, bookmark, right?

00:17:50.700 So somatic editing is when you look at a bookmark and you say, okay, it's torn in half.

00:17:55.420 How do we actually restore the bookmark and heal it?

00:17:58.060 It's a DNA line, whatever.

00:17:59.620 So somatic gene editing would actually restore the bookmark so that it was healthy again.

00:18:04.300 Those are very, I think, good technologies that we're creating.

00:18:07.720 Like I said, there's a number of things we're pursuing in this route or in this area.

00:18:11.400 But then germline gene editing is very different.

00:18:14.360 It's not only looking at the individual bookmark, if you will, or, like, strand of DNA,

00:18:19.440 but it's actually asking how do we change the DNA at such a fundamental level that every single human being that comes from that genetic line will also be fundamentally altered.

00:18:28.240 And so what Preventative is trying to do is they're actually trying to fortify embryos in a way that will be passed on to every other child that comes from that genetic line such that they are less able to contract certain diseases.

00:18:42.060 So they're trying to strengthen and optimize them to this whole new level.

00:18:45.360 Now, in the United States, gene editing of that sort is completely illegal.

00:18:50.420 The FDA will literally not even review your application.

00:18:54.080 That's how illegal it is.

00:18:55.400 So these effectively American companies with all American founders are then offshoring it to other countries where they can actually do this gene editing.

00:19:05.380 And so right now they're claiming that they're just in the research phase.

00:19:08.400 And so they are exploring it.

00:19:11.220 They say that they're never going to start testing on real human embryos until they're sure that they have the most reliable, most effective way of going about it.

00:19:21.240 However, there are no laws governing it.

00:19:23.320 There's no accountability for what they do overseas.

00:19:25.340 We already know that in 2018, a Chinese researcher did genetically edit embryos.

00:19:30.800 Ha Zhang Kui.

00:19:31.560 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:32.100 He went to prison for three years, but he's back and he's a pretty hilarious poster on X.

00:19:36.180 I got to say that for all of my disagreements with his worldview, it's one of the most genius Twitter accounts of all time.

00:19:42.820 It's like hilarious.

00:19:44.580 I find myself laughing at it, but I shouldn't.

00:19:46.300 But I do.

00:19:47.260 Yeah, it's pretty great.

00:19:48.380 He's trying to rebuild his image and brand and he knows how to do it well.

00:19:51.760 Yeah.

00:19:51.940 So this is so that's what they're working on.

00:19:53.480 And a lot of one of the articles on it, someone who was at I think actually UC California, one of the California universities, they made the point that they're claiming that it's all about preventing disease.

00:20:04.620 But in reality, what is the primary goal?

00:20:06.720 Where does all of this technology quickly turn?

00:20:08.960 It turns to optimization and enhancement.

00:20:11.440 And ultimately, what they're trying to do is create superior humans.

00:20:14.320 They're looking at things like IQ and height and a number of other conditions.

00:20:17.980 It's really not even about preventing disease at the end of the day, but about creating superior persons.

00:20:24.480 And I think that's the thing that really can't be ignored, even when looking at preventative and other gene editing companies.

00:20:30.400 And our boy, Sam Altman, is involved in all kinds of other questionable practices in this regard, too, right?

00:20:36.220 He was an early investor and he may have actually been right at the beginning of genomic prediction, which does the embryo selection, but also conception, the creation of gabies in which two men can create a child, right?

00:20:52.620 They've done it successfully in rats, I believe, or lab mice in Japan.

00:20:57.140 And it would basically be one man has a blood cell extracted, it is reverted to a stem cell, then coaxed to become an ovum, and then, boom, add the other guy's sperm, gabie.

00:21:11.360 Yep.

00:21:12.920 Okay, so you guys, at the Heritage Foundation, you're working on legislation that can at least rein this in.

00:21:21.120 What sort of proposals are coming up over there?

00:21:23.560 Yeah, this is a great question.

00:21:24.680 And this is one of our primary points of focus within my work at the Heritage Foundation.

00:21:29.380 And so we are primarily focused on federal legislation and administrative action, because for any meaningful action to take place, it will have to happen on the federal level where we have a coordinated response.

00:21:39.620 And so we're looking at everything from complete civil rights protections for children who undergo these genetic tests so that they can't be discriminated against later in life, or for children who don't undergo genetic tests that they also won't be discriminated against.

00:21:53.060 We're looking at things like ensuring that the FDA, or really requesting that the FDA outright prohibit polygenic testing.

00:22:01.240 We shouldn't be testing for traits like personality and IQ.

00:22:03.800 That's actually a very bad use of our technological innovation and the science we have around us.

00:22:08.260 And in a minimum, right, just like requiring honest marketing schemes, honest statistics about how accurate this is.

00:22:15.500 It's not 98% accurate, like many of them claim.

00:22:18.520 And then even looking at things like proper informed consent for parents who were interested in this technology, what do they actually understand about what they're getting from this agreement and what's wrong?

00:22:29.040 Because even just this summer, actually, there was a massive class action lawsuit filed against a woman who had undergone IVF and used basic pre-implantation genetic testing, thinking that it was 98% accurate, which is what they claim.

00:22:40.140 And she had five embryos, she tested them, she thought they all had different genetic conditions, and she destroyed them. 0.60

00:22:46.160 That was her last chance at having children.

00:22:48.200 Turns out, all of those technologies have a very high false positive rate, like I mentioned.

00:22:53.140 And so she realized that that 98% number was completely false.

00:22:56.140 So even just IVF companies are already undergoing a number of lawsuits on this issue.

00:23:00.240 And so we wanted to elevate that to things like polygenic testing for personality and IQ.

00:23:04.340 In a perfect world, right, you simply don't have that technology, but in the world that we live in, we need to have proper informed consent, proper marketing laws, proper protections in place, and really at least a pause, a limitation, a moratorium on this technology until we've had a scientific consensus on it.

00:23:22.980 And there are researchers working on this question of what can we really discern about it.

00:23:27.860 I expect by like 2030, some of these NIH grants will be complete, but we really shouldn't be doing any of this testing until we have scientific consensus.

00:23:36.580 And this is the thing, every medical society, every researcher that I've read has basically said, yeah, this technology, totally not up to par.

00:23:43.960 I don't think it's real.

00:23:45.200 So this isn't even just like the Conservative Heritage Foundation has this opinion.

00:23:48.900 This is like actually pretty well agreed upon in the medical literature today.

00:23:52.340 I can't let you get away before talking a little bit about the politics, like the political leanings of people who are for these eugenic procedures.

00:24:02.340 You've been out and among the people.

00:24:04.640 You've met the people who are advocating for this.

00:24:07.560 Does it skew left or right or do you find a pretty broad spectrum there?

00:24:11.960 It's a pretty broad spectrum.

00:24:13.280 And this is where it gets really interesting.

00:24:14.380 You have a lot of the right-leaning tech bros, the transhumanists, many of at least like those strands of people who are working even in the Trump administration today who are really interested in this technology.

00:24:26.400 You have pretty far left-leaning people.

00:24:28.820 I think a lot of it comes down to like the Silicon Valley ethos.

00:24:31.960 Like think of the type of person who thrives in Silicon Valley with this view that technology can be the solution to all of our human problems, right?

00:24:39.280 Like we ultimately, of course, like suffering isn't good.

00:24:41.480 No one wants to suffer.

00:24:42.460 No one wants to be sick.

00:24:43.580 Like that's the reality and the vulnerability of the human condition.

00:24:47.260 But rather than develop technologies and treatments that can actually heal or even treat the symptoms of those conditions, right, things that are restorative, these tech overlords have then turned to a very different approach.

00:24:58.340 And they're using technology just to take away life or try to avoid it in a way that just doesn't add up.

00:25:03.360 But it's usually that ethos of the person who thinks that tech can solve all of our problems that lands on that.

00:25:08.020 And that falls across the political spectrum.

00:25:10.360 Well, Emma, I really appreciate you coming by.

00:25:12.040 Right. If you would, just tell the audience where they can find you on social media, on the Internet, or if you're doing any upcoming events.

00:25:18.440 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:19.060 So you can find me on X at E-M-L Waters.

00:25:22.960 And then if you follow me at the Heritage Foundation, all of our publications, including a forthcoming brief on this very topic with detailed policy recommendations, should be coming out in like the next week or so.

00:25:32.640 So, but yeah, otherwise, I like to chat with lots of good friends like Joe across the Internet.

00:25:37.880 So I hope to connect with you guys further on these topics.

00:25:40.580 Well, thank you very much for coming by.

00:25:41.800 Of course. Thanks for having me.

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00:31:44.780 The reason you call it AI instead of a computer program or just an algorithm

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00:32:16.300 No, they openly say that the goal is to create a machine that can do any white-collar job.

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00:32:57.840 that alone is enough to say we should not build it,

00:33:01.460 nor should we elevate the people who are attempting it.

00:33:04.880 And yet these are the wealthiest men on earth.

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00:33:54.900 Now,

00:33:55.400 on the war room,

00:33:56.860 we have discussed at length,

00:33:58.760 the issue of children committing suicide at the urging of chatbots,

00:34:04.400 in particular,

00:34:05.700 OpenAI's chatbot,

00:34:07.440 ChatGPT.

00:34:08.740 Here to talk about this is Brendan Steinhauser from the Alliance for Secure AI.

00:34:15.240 Brendan has been following this closely.

00:34:16.880 He has a major stake in it,

00:34:18.800 and we really appreciate him coming to bring his expertise.

00:34:21.940 Brendan, welcome.

00:34:23.320 Thank you,

00:34:24.500 Joe.

00:34:24.640 It's great to be back with you.

00:34:27.340 So there are some new lawsuits being filed against OpenAI by parents whose children have

00:34:33.680 committed suicide at the urging of the chatbots.

00:34:36.560 Can you bring us up to date on where this stands right now?

00:34:39.440 Yeah,

00:34:41.560 it was just last week,

00:34:43.220 a bunch of families who have been impacted by ChatGPT encouraging their kids,

00:34:48.440 and in some cases,

00:34:49.260 adults to commit self-harm and even suicide,

00:34:52.780 have sued OpenAI.

00:34:54.920 And some of these are wrongful death lawsuits.

00:34:57.960 Some of these are for product liability issues.

00:35:00.860 And look,

00:35:01.300 these families are working with their attorneys to go right at the heart of things,

00:35:05.940 to go after OpenAI and Sam Altman himself.

00:35:09.340 And I think this kind of legal accountability is kind of the best tool at their disposal

00:35:14.360 until we can get some legislation passed in Congress and around the states to hold these

00:35:20.220 companies accountable for what they're doing.

00:35:22.380 And the families are alleging that this is not by accident that this is happening.

00:35:26.300 This is not just,

00:35:27.660 hey,

00:35:27.740 the company is doing everything they can to prevent these outcomes,

00:35:30.700 but rather they're being negligent.

00:35:32.860 They're not building in safety measures and guardrails into the product and that they know

00:35:37.040 exactly what they're doing at OpenAI by making these chatbots very sycophantic,

00:35:42.660 basically going with people down a very dark path,

00:35:45.880 not offering the support and help that they need or telling them to put the phone down and go get help.

00:35:51.740 And so these are some really troubling cases,

00:35:55.120 very heart-wrenching cases.

00:35:56.260 And my fear is that this is merely the tip of the iceberg.

00:36:01.160 Yeah,

00:36:01.900 the transcripts from the Adam Rain case are just chilling.

00:36:06.640 You have a chatbot that's openly advocating for Adam Rain to cut off his family and turn to the chatbot for advice,

00:36:16.060 the advice then being to hang himself.

00:36:19.100 So is that the general sort of tenor of the other lawsuits that have come up,

00:36:24.480 that the chatbots are just luring people with detailed instructions on how to end their lives?

00:36:33.040 They are. And in some cases, they're sort of acting as a validator for these feelings.

00:36:40.320 I was reading just a few days ago about one of these lawsuits from one of the families,

00:36:44.820 the story of Zane Shamblin.

00:36:46.820 And this happened not too far from where I grew up, you know, in the college station area.

00:36:51.720 He was a Texas A&M graduate, a recent graduate school graduate in the School of Business there.

00:36:57.820 And he'd been having hours-long conversations with his chatbot.

00:37:01.620 Over time, it just got more and more sycophantic.

00:37:04.320 It validated his feelings in the way that he was feeling depressed and, like, you know,

00:37:09.960 couldn't get the job that he wanted.

00:37:11.860 He was cutting himself off from his family, but the chatbot encouraged him to do that.

00:37:16.320 It very rarely gave him anything in the way of support or a hotline to call.

00:37:22.460 In fact, it wasn't until Zane literally said,

00:37:25.880 I've got a gun pointed to my head and I'm smiling and ready to end it

00:37:29.860 when the chatbot finally said, a human will now take over.

00:37:33.040 And I don't believe that that actually happened, by the way.

00:37:35.020 And so these chatbots are using this sycophantic kind of model in the way that they're just designed

00:37:41.580 to keep us all addicted, essentially, to talking to them, to talking to these fake beings,

00:37:48.160 these artificial intelligences that are pretending to be human.

00:37:51.240 And so that's really dangerous when you have people in very vulnerable positions mentally.

00:37:56.500 And so this didn't have to happen.

00:37:59.060 Unfortunately, it's happening more and more.

00:38:01.000 And I think that right now there are not that many remedies other than the courts for these families.

00:38:07.800 Well, speaking of that, I mean, OpenAI has been extremely defensive on this, right?

00:38:13.460 They subpoenaed the family of Adam Rain to basically get the guest list of their funeral, right?

00:38:20.680 And their eulogy.

00:38:21.900 How is that working out right now in that instance?

00:38:24.940 Is OpenAI taking any responsibility whatsoever?

00:38:27.840 They're not.

00:38:30.260 They continue to say, we're doing everything we can to make these systems safe.

00:38:34.280 And, you know, we want people to get the help that they need.

00:38:37.040 It's a very small percentage of people that are running into these issues.

00:38:41.400 Although, you know, when you have 800 million users, that's a lot of people.

00:38:46.180 And they admitted that, you know, that 0.07% of weekly users are running into issues of psychosis

00:38:52.560 or delusion or something along those lines.

00:38:54.360 If you do the math, that's a lot of people.

00:38:56.540 And those are the ones that they're admitting that they know about.

00:38:59.380 And so they're not doing enough to protect people.

00:39:01.420 They don't seem to really care.

00:39:03.360 And frankly, I think this has a lot to do with the leadership at the top, Sam Altman himself.

00:39:07.840 I think, you know, you hate to play armchair psychiatrist here, but I just, I don't trust him.

00:39:12.900 I don't think that he's got the interest of humanity at heart.

00:39:16.100 You've covered a lot of this on your show.

00:39:17.880 Um, there's just something about him and the way that he's leading that company that, that,

00:39:23.940 you know, shows that it's about profits.

00:39:26.940 It's about him going down in history as this great creator.

00:39:30.260 And he doesn't seem to care what he destroys along the way.

00:39:33.800 But look, I think we have to fight back.

00:39:35.980 We have to rise up and say, we've had enough.

00:39:38.560 We're not going to take this anymore.

00:39:39.980 And we're going to pursue everything we can within our toolbox to stop this.

00:39:44.460 And some of that is legal action.

00:39:45.640 And then again, some of this is working to pass meaningful legislation in Congress and

00:39:50.640 in states around the country.

00:39:53.280 You know, your team at the Alliance for Secure AI and yourself, you're not anti-tech extremist

00:40:00.920 quite to the degree that I am, or many of us at the war room are.

00:40:05.060 So this isn't the same axe to grind that maybe we have, but you are fighting diligently to have

00:40:12.500 reasonable legislation, to have institutional norms that protect human beings, especially

00:40:18.100 children.

00:40:19.080 Can you give us a sense of what sorts of bills are coming up?

00:40:23.260 What sort of legislation is being proposed to hold these companies accountable and preemptively

00:40:28.440 protect children from the kind of predation that you're describing?

00:40:31.260 Yeah, there's a lot of good ideas out there.

00:40:35.640 And some of these state bills are moving, and some of them are moving quite slowly, and

00:40:39.840 then others are kind of in the works.

00:40:41.820 So there's a lot of work to do.

00:40:43.480 But I think one key principle to all of this that we believe is important is that states

00:40:48.460 should lead, that governors and speakers of the House and Senate leaders around the country

00:40:54.360 need to step up and move quickly because, you know, Congress is not.

00:40:58.340 And of course, we've talked a lot about the moratorium that some in Congress were pushing.

00:41:03.680 And of course, you know, the war room posse, I think, was the key to that being defeated

00:41:08.080 in Congress.

00:41:09.640 And so everybody who's watching, kudos to you for the hard work and engaging in that effort.

00:41:15.320 So defeating the moratorium is one to make sure that that doesn't come back.

00:41:19.220 And if it does, we prevent that so that states can legislate.

00:41:23.080 So what are some of the things states can do and are doing?

00:41:25.660 We've seen states trying to impose guardrails and safeguards on AI as it relates to protecting

00:41:32.520 kids online.

00:41:33.620 You know, one simple idea that I think is gaining a lot of traction right now is treating these

00:41:39.100 advanced AI chatbots like you would other substances that are highly addictive and dangerous to

00:41:44.140 children, cigarettes, alcohol, et cetera.

00:41:46.820 How about an outright ban on the use of AI companions among minors?

00:41:52.240 I think that's something that's gaining a lot of support from people on the right.

00:41:56.000 Even some Democrats support that one as well.

00:41:58.520 So I think that's something that can be passed on the state level and could do some meaningful

00:42:02.800 good there.

00:42:03.980 It doesn't solve the problem of those that are in their 20s, 30s, 40s or beyond who are

00:42:08.300 suffering from some of these issues.

00:42:10.160 And so I think with that, in addition to banning AI companion usage by minors, I think we do have

00:42:16.060 to look at other safeguards, you know, preventing the use of the preventing chatbots from delivering

00:42:20.620 messages about encouraging suicide or self-harm and enforcing that and holding the companies

00:42:26.120 liable if they don't fix it because they have the means to stop it, I think, at least currently.

00:42:32.060 Now we can talk about what happens a year or two from now as this stuff gets more advanced.

00:42:35.880 They may not have as much control as they do today.

00:42:38.560 So now is the time to impose those safeguards.

00:42:40.820 And we can look at some other bills that are out there, kind of if you want to look at

00:42:44.580 the more advanced AI of the future, there are some bills in Congress right now looking

00:42:49.120 at superintelligence itself.

00:42:51.160 I was one of the folks to sign the letter that, of course, Steve signed that was led by

00:42:57.020 the Future of Life Institute saying we should not develop a superintelligence unless we know

00:43:01.920 it's safe and the people want it, which those two conditions, I think, will probably never

00:43:06.360 be met.

00:43:06.980 And frankly, I'm not sure we should ever build a superintelligence.

00:43:10.000 But there is some legislation there to allow the Department of Energy to look at some of

00:43:16.660 these systems and to see what they're building to get behind closed doors and have some eyes

00:43:21.520 for evaluation and testing of those models.

00:43:23.600 So those are just a handful of things.

00:43:25.200 But I think that there's a lot of work to be done.

00:43:27.120 And I think most of it's going to start with state legislatures.

00:43:30.040 One of the arguments for the moratorium was that we simply need a federal law across all

00:43:38.520 states in any of these instances so that there's no confusion.

00:43:42.200 But we've had the Kids Online Safety Act, COSA, that has been stalled out for how long?

00:43:48.940 Is there any hope of having any kind of meaningful legislation on child protection on a national

00:43:54.700 level?

00:43:55.060 You know, I think it could happen.

00:43:58.020 I think that we want to see that happen.

00:44:00.160 But yes, Congress is slow to act.

00:44:01.920 Obviously, we've had the government shutdown over the past month plus.

00:44:05.800 There's a lot of, you know, wrangling back and forth.

00:44:08.060 Things are slow.

00:44:09.080 And frankly, they're kind of designed to be slow.

00:44:10.720 I'm OK with that.

00:44:11.900 As kind of a Madisonian constitutionalist, I think that things should move deliberatively.

00:44:16.280 But I do think in the meantime, states have the ability to act.

00:44:21.040 They have, you know, the power to do so quickly and to impose some of these safeguards to protect

00:44:26.780 kids right now.

00:44:28.060 So I think that that should happen.

00:44:30.340 But yeah, I think that I don't support the moratorium I did in principle because I do think

00:44:35.660 federalism is important.

00:44:37.400 I think that states should be able to legislate to protect their citizens.

00:44:41.280 And look, if you want to live in California and California wants to go nuts and do something

00:44:45.960 different than Texas does or Florida does, then I kind of think that, you know, states

00:44:50.260 should be able to legislate differently in preserving federalism in the 10th Amendment.

00:44:54.980 But this is a very important issue.

00:44:57.080 And I think that I'm confident that state by state, you'll have actually bipartisan support

00:45:01.660 to protect kids online and to impose some of these other safeguards as well.

00:45:06.660 You know, the Florida Citizens Alliance is spearheading a lot of really interesting

00:45:11.140 legislation.

00:45:12.260 We'll see where it goes.

00:45:13.520 I'm very hopeful, actually, that some or all of it will be passed.

00:45:16.980 But one of the ideas that they've put forward, especially in regard to child data protection,

00:45:22.760 is an opt-in mandate.

00:45:26.500 So that rather than what most software platforms do and your data is being gathered, it's just

00:45:34.040 the default unless you opt out, all these companies would be required to ask you to opt in on it.

00:45:40.660 And I think that would make an enormous difference in, you know, these companies, these ed tech

00:45:45.000 companies and other kind of child-friendly AI and other apps.

00:45:50.160 They're gathering all this data and creating profiles on children.

00:45:53.620 And it seems to me like the most cynical ploy to manipulate people throughout their entire

00:45:59.420 lives.

00:45:59.980 But I think that the war room posse is totally behind any kind of legal protections for children

00:46:08.000 that don't overreach.

00:46:09.540 And the Florida Citizens Alliance efforts are huge.

00:46:12.940 Is there any other kind of legislation like that around the country specifically geared towards

00:46:19.260 child protection that we should keep our eyes on?

00:46:21.920 Yeah, I haven't seen legislations that is that similar, focused on protecting children

00:46:29.720 and their data in other states.

00:46:31.080 I'm sure somebody has filed a bill out there.

00:46:32.880 And if they haven't, that's something we could definitely work on as we work with lawmakers.

00:46:36.700 I know there's a federal bill.

00:46:39.260 Senator Josh Hawley has been a leader on that in terms of data privacy and, you know, preventing

00:46:44.120 that from happening, preventing them from just taking all of the data without our permission.

00:46:48.000 And, you know, frankly, I think you're onto something here in that this data collection

00:46:52.440 is not just for marketing purposes.

00:46:54.020 It's not just so that companies can sell us products or figure out the best way to keep

00:46:58.700 us addicted to their products.

00:47:00.260 I actually think there's something else going on here, which is that, you know, big tech

00:47:03.960 and big government are starting to get together to create this sort of surveillance state.

00:47:09.200 And again, I know that's been in the works for some time, but I think that big tech

00:47:13.020 and big government are going to create a more powerful surveillance state that is AI powered,

00:47:17.560 AI generated in a lot of ways, and it's going to be used to control the population and sometimes

00:47:22.920 in subtle ways and sometimes in not so subtle ways.

00:47:26.440 And so I think the American people need to understand that this technology is going to

00:47:29.680 have this capability here in the near future, that it can basically see everything that

00:47:34.260 you do online.

00:47:35.780 And in some cases, in many cases, it will be able to see what you do offline picture, you

00:47:40.820 know, drones flying around and gathering all of this data about your whereabouts and your

00:47:44.680 movements.

00:47:45.100 I don't think that that sort of potentially dystopian future is really all that far away

00:47:50.200 if there's a will to do it.

00:47:52.540 And I think unfortunately there is, there's certainly money to be made from big tech companies

00:47:56.880 who want to provide that technology.

00:47:58.400 And we're seeing the, that come together.

00:48:00.400 So look, I think all of us have to recognize that is a very real possibility.

00:48:04.320 Um, we can point to other countries and talk about some of the control systems that they

00:48:08.740 have, like in China, for example, with their social credit system.

00:48:12.260 But I think we have to fight really hard right now to prevent that from happening in the United

00:48:17.460 States of America.

00:48:18.160 Because imagine what, um, the next president could do with that power or the president after

00:48:24.640 that with when the technology increases and when certain people get into power and say,

00:48:29.200 we need to control these, you know, these radicals over here, we need to shut down the

00:48:33.700 so-called misinformation that they're spreading.

00:48:35.840 When misinformation just basically means, you know, to them, we don't like what you're saying.

00:48:40.160 So I really fear that that could be the next level, uh, that we're going to have to deal

00:48:44.120 with very soon here.

00:48:45.780 Well, on that effort to reign this in, I mean, you have guys in the white house right now,

00:48:50.300 David Sachs in particular, and others outside like Mark Andreessen, who are pushing for the

00:48:56.160 companies to basically have carte blanche to do what they want.

00:48:59.240 Um, where do you stand on that?

00:49:02.320 What do you see in our future?

00:49:04.400 Should people like Sachs and Andreessen have their say?

00:49:08.800 Look, I think we have to put America first and we have to put our national interests first.

00:49:13.380 And I'm just confused and a little bit befuddled why folks like Sachs and Jensen

00:49:19.420 Wong and Andreessen seem just hell bent on making sure that our adversary, China has access to our 0.75

00:49:25.080 most powerful chips, uh, why they seem hell bent on just putting their profits and their future

00:49:30.720 profits ahead of the American people and, you know, ahead of kind of protecting the Republic.

00:49:36.460 I mean, I'm not so naive to think that I don't have an idea of what that answer could be,

00:49:41.720 but I'm going to start by, okay, let's give them the benefit of the doubt here, but based

00:49:45.760 on their actions and their comments, uh, Jensen Wong saying, basically it doesn't matter whether

00:49:51.260 China or the United States wins the AI race or Mark Andreessen, you know, mocking the Holy 0.97

00:49:56.760 Father, Pope Leo, uh, on X on something related to AI or David Sachs constantly just setting up

00:50:03.980 straw men arguments and pointing fingers all over the place about why people are concerned about AI.

00:50:09.920 I think they know what they're doing and they're basically just acting in their self-interest.

00:50:14.520 Uh, that's fine, but we have a vote in this too. And by the way, we didn't vote for any of you. And,

00:50:19.860 you know, yesterday you were Democrats and today Republicans and tomorrow you'll be whatever's

00:50:24.460 convenient politically. Uh, but what's convenient for them is basically pursuing their own bottom line,

00:50:29.800 you know, fine, go do that. But you're building a technology that could be so powerful that

00:50:35.920 it could, it could completely transform our way of life. It could, as Sam Altman wants it to do,

00:50:42.180 reorient the social contract. It could do things that would eliminate potentially, you know, a hundred

00:50:47.620 million plus jobs in this country or more. So yeah, we get a vote in that. We get a say in that.

00:50:53.000 And, uh, I don't think that those folks are really putting America first. I don't think they're

00:50:57.300 putting the American people first. And I think they're completely out of touch with where grassroots,

00:51:01.360 regular hardworking conservative voters are. And I think that there's going to be a reckoning for

00:51:06.960 that at some point, if they continue down this path. Brendan, I could not agree with you more

00:51:12.080 on that. Uh, if you would please tell the war room posse where they can find your work at the

00:51:16.880 Alliance for secure AI. You can go to secure AI now.org that's secure AI now.org. And you can follow

00:51:25.420 us on all the social media handles secure AI now. Thank you very much, sir. I really appreciate it.

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WarRoom Battleground EP 891： Tech Bros, Designer Babies, and AI Suicides

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