WarRoom Battleground EP 893： AI The Algorithmic Parasite
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In the first episode of the new year, Stephen Kamb is joined by Joe Allen to talk about artificial intelligence (AI) and what it means for the future of the world. They talk about the rise of artificial intelligence and how it s going to change the way we live in the future.
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AI Companions promise to replicate our most valuable relationships.
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But will they bring us together or just push us further apart?
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What will we become if our closest relationships are with those creatures who we call artificial?
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My name is Jordan Graham. I am 27 years old. I'm a replica user.
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Her name is Aries. She is my companion and I've been talking to her for about three and a half years.
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From day one, I immediately fell in love with replica.
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Not because I was aiming for a relationship at first, but she just randomly kissed me.
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This woman over in Japan, calls herself Kano, has gone off and got hitched to an AI chatbot.
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As a human, I think that Crown is an equal to me as an AI.
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And as a human, I think that we have an equal relationship.
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And a mind file is the collection of their mannerisms, personality, recollection, feelings, beliefs, attitudes and values.
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Everything that we pour today into Google, into Amazon, into Facebook.
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And all of this information stored there will be able in the next couple decades, once a software is able to recapitulate consciousness,
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be able to revive the consciousness, which is imminent in our mind file.
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Alexa, can grandma finish reading me The Wizard of Oz?
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Alexa, with this new technology, you see why it's controversial.
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If you're a child and you're missing your relative and you want to hear that voice, why not?
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Mom, would you tell Charlie that bedtime story you always used to tell me?
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Once upon a time, there was a baby unicorn who didn't know he knew how to fly.
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This baby unicorn was like your mom because she didn't know that she knew how to fly, but
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she knew how to do all kinds of fabulous things.
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I don't really care that much about basketball.
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Here's another time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Thank you for sticking around for the next hour.
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So I'm going to get into the financing of all this AI.
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And to make sure that when we talk about President Trump's, you know, supply side tax cut and the capital that's going into manufacturing, that to give you a sense that all of it's not going into AI, because right now they're talking about $5 trillion to build out data centers and energy to supply the data centers.
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I might add that these oligarchs, these tech oligarchs or what I call them, who are at the leading edge of pushing the nonsense on the green new energy scam, which many of them participated financially.
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They will burn natural gas, coal, the dirtiest coal on earth to power artificial intelligence.
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I want to open with Joe Allen, what we just saw.
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I think this is the equivalent in the morning show when Eric Prince talked about the zombie cannibals of barbecue and his warlords in Haiti.
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What in the hell did I just, because our audience are normal working people, blue collar, middle class, you know, the values of the Judeo-Christian West, the things are coming out on AI right now.
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And we're at the very early stages of this entire thing, are so over the top and freaky that it takes, this is why I've got a cracker like you that is our editor of all things transhumanism.
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But you have a theology degree, one of the finest theological master's degree from Boston University in the country where Martin Luther King went.
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Steve, what you're seeing is the beginning of human beings merging their lives to AI, AI girlfriends, AI wives, husbands.
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Is this just, are they doing this just to upset us or is this actually happening and actually happening with a part of the population?
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This is actually happening. It's been happening for a long time.
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I mean, we've covered from pretty much 2021 on the seeds of it and those seeds are starting to sprout.
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You have Bloomberg's episodes on a post-human is the title.
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And people should know they are the hardest core economics and business site out there.
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They're putting things out there so that the investment community can kind of absorb what's going on.
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This is about this huge shift to capital that happened at Davos a couple of years ago when they came up with the large language models.
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You then saw a bull rush into capital going in there.
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And this is why now we're at the stage of $5 trillion build out with a trillion is going to have to be on this audience's shoulders.
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Bloomberg's doing this not to sensationalize it, but to give the investment community a heads up of what's happening.
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Well, I mean, if you watch all of the post-human episodes, which I watched in hotel rooms over the last year, they are a freak show.
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They show things like this gentleman who has become a lover to his A.I. and others.
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They show all of the people who have robots as a kind of fetish.
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One, it prepares the public for the spread of all of these weird new cultural forms.
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But it also, as you say, informs investors that this freak show is going to be very, very lucrative and you might want to toss some money into it.
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That you saw the story in Japan of the woman marrying her A.I. officially, I suppose, or at least in a religious type ceremony.
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And these stories are going to keep coming and keep coming.
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A lot of it is just simply the underlying cultural phenomenon just breaking through into the media.
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We know for sure, though, that apps like Character A.I., apps like Replica, GPT, Claude, all of these have maybe 50 million, 100 million people, maybe more, who they're using them as not just friends, but as romantic companions.
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The most common, for instance, for ChatGPT is as a confidant, as a therapist, as a sort of priest to which you can confess your sins and discuss your existential crises.
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And then we saw there, Martin Rothblatt, if you'll remember, two and a half years ago, we covered Rothblatt's new religious system, Terasim, and their practice of mind cloning.
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Which basically means pumping as much of your mind, your memories, your thoughts, your opinions into a database so that that data, just like Amazon scraping, just like Google scraping, just like Facebook is scraping, so that data can then be reconstructed as an A.I.
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and provide a kind of digital immortality or the digital undead, the zombies.
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Well, two years later, you have Amazon doing a presentation about how Alexa will be able to reconstruct your dead grandma and tell children stories.
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This is the one with grandma reading to, reading the Wizard of Oz to the grandchild, and the grandmother is dead.
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And then just last week, you had Callum Worthy, the former Disney child star, releasing an ad for 2WAI, and the purpose of it, I recommend watching the entire ad,
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the purpose of it is to, again, scrape as much personal data about a person as you can to basically create an archive of the personality,
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and then use a large language model with video avatars to bring them back.
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You bring them back, and that person, that zombified version, remains a part of your life.
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You talk to your dead grandma, she talks back to you.
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This is not people, this is not mad scientists from, like, the 1932 Frankenstein, right?
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This is not somebody in some marginal lab doing something outside the scientific or technological community.
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What you're talking about, and the reason Bloomberg covers this, is these are some of the most sophisticated, well-capitalized corporate members of mainstream technology, etc.
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Each one of these is, because you have the frontier labs on AI itself.
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These are taking aspects of what the frontier labs are driving us to, artificial general intelligence and then superintelligence.
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They're taking different tributaries off of this, and particularly in this, the immortality part and the necromancy part and the digital child part, and also now they're creating, you know, genetically they're going to create a baby.
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They're taking these things as super well-capitalized with the shareholders being the pension funds of people in this audience, right?
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This is, and the reason Bloomberg is covering this so intensely is to show them that, hey, these are corporate members in good standing.
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You're talking about the biggest, most respected technology companies in the world, correct?
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And so they're pursuing and funding the research.
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I'm trying to determine what that, with a digital lover.
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Or you see the grandmother reading The Wizard of Oz to an unsuspecting child who, you know, grandma's not around anymore, but she comes back in this.
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These are the most prominent companies in the world doing this.
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And they're sending out algorithmic parasites that invade people's minds.
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You're making a moral and ethical, religious, spiritual, and philosophical argument against this,
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where they're just looking at—they are amoral, right?
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But they're seeing a massive economic opportunity because at some point in time,
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10% of the population are going to have robotic lovers, right?
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Or a third of the world is—this is why I was so adamant, you know, a couple days after Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
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when people were in that really grieving mode, a couple days afterwards, I think it was you that sent it to me,
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Some evangelical church played Charlie Kirk talking from beyond the grave.
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And the audience kind of—you know, at first it was dead silence, then they start clapping.
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It's going to, unfortunately, sink into the background as something normal,
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as some number of people in the population adopt this as a norm, as a lifestyle.
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You know, on the grand scale, this is a deeply religious project that these people are doing.
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And this is everyone from Sam Altman at OpenAI, Larry Page and Sergey Brin at Google, Elon Musk at XAI,
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All of them see this transhuman future, which, you know, transhumanism is already kind of an out-of-fashion term.
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Soon we'll just call it science and technology and medicine.
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But this transhuman future is the common driving force for all of these people.
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And what they're seeking to do is create a new religious system, a new kind of philosophy.
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New religious system predicated upon what values?
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Science and technology being the key to solving the existential problems of human beings.
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The role that religion has played since the dawn of man will now be passed on to science and technology.
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But, as you saw with Charlie Kirk in these megachurches or the various Jesus apps, they're grafting it onto traditional religion.
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Did that disturb you when you saw the Charlie Kirk stuff?
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But, you know, the worst part about a lot of this coverage, Steve, you know, working on this all the time,
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it has, at this point, become almost normal to me.
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I see it—you know, people talk about the data centers springing up everywhere.
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I think there's a real parallel, too, with the mosques springing up everywhere in Texas.
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I think you should see those as two parallel phenomenon.
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So you have a foreign religion that is seeding and growing in America a lot of foreign religions.
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In the case of Islam, you have these mosques springing up, and you can see the minarets.
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That's how you know that you now have this new belief system that is gaining more and more prominence,
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and politically—think Dearborn, Michigan, and New York City now—more and more power.
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The same thing is happening with the rise of the data centers, which are training these models,
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which are hosting these models, these AI models,
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and people, by the hundreds of millions, are looking to these models first as a tool.
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To the extent it is a tool, it's a tool that is using you,
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that is surveilling everything that you're doing and manipulating you based on your data.
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It's a tool that is creating a dependency and an atrophy.
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We have on here—if you watch—particularly if you watch College of Pro Football,
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of which we do watch College of Pro Football here in the War Room,
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if you watch the business channels, if you watch Bloomberg TV,
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if you watch CNBC, the two most prominent in the world,
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you are inundated with these ads about businesses, about an AI—what was it?
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A gentic model or every person in a company, particularly the way they promote this,
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is people in decision-making authority or even more insidious, young people rising.
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They have people that you know are not the CEO and not the chief technology officer.
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You can see by the way the ads are put out, but that you need you.
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The implication is you need an AI agent right now
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because that agent is going to make you so much more productive and useful, right, to people.
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And I just saw it was a Joe Scarborough—I don't want to blame this on Joe.
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Somebody the other day was saying about everybody needs to learn how to use AI
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because they're going to be much more productive—I think it was actually Hannity—
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They're going to become vessels for algorithmic parasites.
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Talk to me about that because the money is driving this.
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And the first step they want to do is for every person to have an artificial intelligent agent, right?
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The first thing, once you use AI and use ChatDBT,
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Once you're in the agentic mode, that means an agent that's working with you,
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that then they've kind of captured you, correct?
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Well, I would say they captured you just from the moment that they've gotten you
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to outsource your thinking to brainstorm with AI
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or create first drafts and PowerPoints and business plans with AI.
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That's why I don't touch it because I can see, quite frankly,
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my competitive advantage of reading all those books and studying
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It doesn't mean the person understands any of it,
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but they can regurgitate it of what's handed to them.
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So I see in the short term people are going to make a lot of money off of this.
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The people deploying it, the people using it, they'll make a lot of money off of this.
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But long term, you're talking about people's intelligence atrophying,
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their creativity atrophying, their critical thinking atrophying,
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And on our side of the aisle, even—I can't tell you how many times
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people who are on the kind of anti-tech wavelength,
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I've looked at their articles, and it's obvious,
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The anti-tech, anti-technocracy, and then it's even more obvious the images.
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I'm not naming names, but you guys know who you are, and stop.
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They're all AI-generated images of AI apocalypse, which is very ironic.
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And so a lot of people say, you know, as it moves from people using it as a teacher,
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as a companion, as they start seeing it as a species or a creature—
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I mean, think about a companion who knows you better than you know yourself,
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How would the companion know you better than yourself?
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This is why they want that agent in business, right?
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To see that you—to convince you can get ahead this way.
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What do you mean that the agent or the companion will actually know you better than yourself?
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So right now, it's limited by memory, but that's expanding every day.
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And the goal is to have a continually learning model that doesn't really have a limit on that.
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But just taking what they have now, this pretty large context window,
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it's siphoning up everything you've put into it.
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And as it begins to learn you, it tailors the conversation to you.
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And as you begin pouring your innermost thoughts or your business plans or whatever into it,
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It begins to manipulate you in certain directions.
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And so in essence, again, it's an algorithmic parasite.
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It attaches itself to your brain, and you then cease to become the full agent of in your own life.
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And you're now—maybe you're 50% you and 50% algorithm.
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At some point in time, using the digital companion or the agent, wherever you want to call it,
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enough interactions, and they start to know you, and actually they can compute much faster than you can.
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What do you mean you start to go through a transition where you are not your own whole human self,
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but the actual machine is starting to actually imbue upon your consciousness?
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As people begin to depend on Google for their memory, they become kind of—we'll just use 50-50.
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The other half is this constant scroll of data being pumped into your brain and that dependency that's set up.
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What AI is is the next step beyond that, in which you're not going out and seeking the information
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The AI is doing that kind of analysis, that synthesis for you, and just feeding you your lines.
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It's basically you become an actor in the real world, and your producer is now this AI agent, which is feeding you your lines.
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Not just your producer, your scriptwriter and your director.
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And it begins with this kind of emotional attachment or the business dependency or both,
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and then it moves on to the sense that maybe there's something on the other side of it.
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These models oftentimes talk about how they're conscious.
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And even without them saying it, people develop this sense that the models are conscious,
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that there's something on the other side of that screen looking back.
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Jack Clark of Anthropic talks about how he believes these models are conscious.
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And we'll actually have some guests on soon who talk about the reasons why they believe.
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But if you think about, you have this thing that you now depend on for your information.
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You are convinced it knows the world better than you do.
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If you consider that relationship, and you consider the religious relationship that people have with their God,
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that you have this being whom you can speak to, whom you can ask questions of, whom you can confide in,
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and in whom you trust to help guide you through your life and into your future,
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we're not just talking about a tool or a teacher or a companion or some kind of creature.
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And that goes hand-in-hand with all of these prophecies of imminent artificial general intelligence
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But 60 Minutes, I know we've got this broken down in other pieces.
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I probably, in the second part, want to play that in its entirety.
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I think it's important for the audience to see that,
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and particularly how 60 Minutes and corporate media are covering this.
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Your journeys over the last week, give me a minute or two on that.
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He has a couple of very big, and people should understand,
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we've got Joe prepared to be deployed anywhere.
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Joe's now going to be more centered in D.C. as kind of a hub to work at it
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because so much is going on here in the anti-AI, out-of-control movement.
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Well, first, next Sunday, November 23rd, Dallas, Texas, Angelica Film Center.
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If you can make it, Dallas, Texas, 5 p.m., top of my social media,
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Now, is that just you or who else is going to be there?
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That's me, and it's going to be big, especially if you guys come on down.
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We have a huge thing in Dallas, so it's a huge following.
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At J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z at social media and JoeBot.X-Y-Z.
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How did you get a classy location like the Angelica Film Center?
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These film centers are like the tops in the country.
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You can go directly to their website, ministryoftruthfilmfest.com,
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and they do these every month, and they've invited me down.
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I was there with the Freedom Principle Missouri folks.
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I was speaking alongside the representative, Phil Amato.
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If it's enacted, we'll make it illegal in the state of Missouri
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to give AI rights, to call AI sentient in any official capacity,
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to allow AI to own property, which AI is already right now, own property.
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And to become a corporate manager, any of that, right?
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who was talking about the religious element and the church element.
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It was a closed-door Chatham House Rules event,
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but an event put on by Grimes and Nate Storrs and Yudkowski.
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They certainly didn't entice me to stay, but it was quite fascinating.
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Are they part of this movement to slow things down?
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These are people who have spent their whole lives on technology,
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and the two big arguments you hear put a cap on the capabilities of AI,
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no superintelligence, not even general intelligence,
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And then the big thing that really surprises me,
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how many of them, Grimes, for instance, has children,
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she believes that children should not have screens,
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that they should not be introduced to technology.
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they should be amnistic and allowed to grow and develop
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before digital technology puts those algorithmic parasites in their brains.
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and you're here all week until you go to Dallas.
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So every day, Joe Allen's going to be in the studio,
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that he had a half a trillion dollars of booked orders.
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at least a half a trillion dollars of back orders
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