Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 897： China’s Grip Over UK Political Class Exposed

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to

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00:00:39.560 is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann

00:00:54.640 we've made it to the end of the week friday 21st of november and no domini 2025 harnwell here at the

00:01:02.580 helm at steve bannon's war room well folks you might have seen in the press there was this interesting

00:01:09.140 article in the times of london which had suggested an absolute infiltration of the westminster political

00:01:16.240 class by the ccp the chinese communist party thanks very much denver that's the article there up on the

00:01:22.100 screen now so i thought who better to to bring on the show then and digest this than joseph robertson

00:01:29.620 who was writing about this very thing somewhat prophetically back in october october the 12th

00:01:37.060 um the dragon in whitehall there you go um so joseph thanks for coming back on the show last time you

00:01:44.560 came on a couple of months ago you were talking about the infiltration of the labor party due to the

00:01:50.400 the fabian society this sort of secretive ancient bit like 100 years old network sort of placing its

00:01:57.200 crypto communists all over the place and now we're on a different type of communist infiltration and the

00:02:02.940 westminster political class tell us essentially what um the murdoch press has been covering then in the last few

00:02:10.940 days regarding these apparently thousands of approaches made right across the the parliamentary

00:02:17.920 westminster class well thanks for having me ben yeah i i think the first thing to say is that this

00:02:25.200 isn't new news to anyone who's followed british politics for the last 20 years or so you'll know

00:02:30.820 that there's a rapid turn towards um not just pandering towards china but also actively pursuing policy that

00:02:37.900 enables china to keep pushing its tentacles further and further into the british establishment 1.00

00:02:43.080 and so this comes as no shock at all to really see that as uh as you said what i was already writing

00:02:48.960 about uh the dragon in whitehall the reality that china has been pursuing this aggressive agenda of 0.88

00:02:55.800 trying to um not just uh necessarily um find out secrets i think they're pretty good at that stuff

00:03:03.260 already but also to ameliorate people to their way of thinking and actually have active pursuance of

00:03:10.300 the ccp agenda within whitehall i think that's the uh the most important takeaway from all of this it's 0.84

00:03:15.660 all about manpower and no one does it better than the chinese when it comes to actually uh you know 1.00

00:03:21.480 infiltrating but also getting people on side you know they've got people placed throughout um all the

00:03:27.940 layers not just government but of the civil service and uh indeed across europe i would say um and so

00:03:35.340 what we've got to try and think about is uh you know how bad is it really is it is it actually too

00:03:40.660 far gone well look let's break this down then because what the times of london is talking about

00:03:47.220 is thousands of approaches um and that's obviously not a part-time occupation for a diplomatic mission

00:03:58.240 right this is this obviously something that they're taking very seriously and i cannot help but flag up the

00:04:04.020 fact that they're that the chinese still want to go ahead and build this super mission uh one of

00:04:10.600 their largest embassies anywhere in the world right in london and the fear is of course that that is going

00:04:16.200 to be a launch pad for precisely this type of operation tell me then a bit about what they've been doing

00:04:23.800 with these and i quote thousands of approaches right across the uk political class well to get to the

00:04:33.080 heart of the master they've but they've essentially been trying to get people to soften uh to the way

00:04:38.920 they do business which basically means that they will try and get some low level information from

00:04:43.600 people at a pretty high cost normally to themselves they will offer decent remuneration um sometimes it

00:04:51.700 will be a job offer sometimes it will be a sort of uh you know a way of getting someone to work for

00:04:57.400 them directly through a through an agency or through another means but the way they approach people

00:05:02.740 generally has seemed to be either via linkedin or email outreach trying to get people to engage

00:05:07.540 um to give up some sort of information be that low level low hanging fruit that isn't necessarily

00:05:14.000 publicly available but won't do any damage at state level um and then they'll offer a shed load of money

00:05:19.680 to these people and slowly slowly bring them further and further up the chain which is you know how these

00:05:25.320 things work it's always money that's the incentive i don't know if you remember a few years ago there

00:05:30.060 was a case of an mp going for a job with a lobbying company while still in office and they actually

00:05:36.520 recorded footage i can't remember who took the footage now it's one of these um sort of investigative

00:05:42.320 journalist stings basically to show how easy it was to get someone who is a quite senior position in

00:05:47.060 government to to lobby for you and if you then apply that by a multiplier of thousands uh with the

00:05:52.660 chinese state behind it uh you know just how bad it is uh you mentioned something interesting there

00:06:00.080 um about the attempt to be hoovering up low level information um as i understand it the approach

00:06:09.440 that's quite sort of subtle i think in terms of this infiltration is going um as you say because

00:06:15.540 there aren't any sort of there aren't there there aren't going to be a huge number of major secrets

00:06:21.680 that the ccp isn't already aware of um but the idea of specifically targeting low level information

00:06:29.240 from people who are one step removed from the principles from from the key players is that they

00:06:35.840 want to build relationships they want to build relations of trust you get little bits of gossip uh in

00:06:41.440 exchange for cash in envelopes and that way uh because of course once you do that you're then

00:06:47.980 compromised right uh and and then it's difficult to extricate yourself like like any sort of cartel

00:06:54.900 relationship um and then of course that means that the ccp to use the word that you used before 0.53

00:07:00.460 has now its tentacles right across uh already bought and sold political class

00:07:07.400 yeah well that's right and also one thing to remember is that china never builds for tomorrow 0.97

00:07:13.600 it builds for 100 years from now and that's one of the reasons why the west loses out so often to

00:07:19.080 its adversaries in the bricks because all of these countries in the shanghai cooperation organization

00:07:24.700 iran russia china itself they build for long-term trajectories they don't build for the now

00:07:31.580 um of course they have key targets that maybe they want to uh get involved in now be that you

00:07:37.280 know making sure that we seed up as much of our natural resources and energy as possible through

00:07:41.840 to infiltrating our education system on a day-to-day basis with the confucius programs

00:07:45.840 um there are very high level targeted attacks on the west tiktok being another example if you

00:07:52.220 watch tiktok in china it's an incredibly different experience to what you see in the west in the west

00:07:57.220 it's glorified uh liberalism in china it's very much uh just patriotic posts and uh fairly um harmless

00:08:05.900 kind of stuff so they have this double warfare going on some of it is intellectual educational

00:08:10.680 some of it is financial but always they're thinking 100 years from now how will this look

00:08:17.220 how can i weaken my enemy in such a way that he actually becomes my friend and i don't need to fight

00:08:21.780 a war um they're thinking on a much uh deeper level than we are and so when we look at stuff like

00:08:27.960 this basically it's it's been going on for a long long time it's just that the internet gives them

00:08:33.260 yet another tool to excavate their efforts um you know and with the advance of ai i i i'm slightly

00:08:40.680 more concerned that people are going to not just be directly uh brought in but also going to be

00:08:46.500 regularly hacked with uh what seems to be videos from a friend uh what seems to be an email that

00:08:52.660 completely perfectly copies the style of someone's writing we're seeing this kind of phishing attack

00:08:57.960 now happening um to the political classes and it will continue to get worse and worse and of course

00:09:03.440 it's not just china you've got russia doing this stuff as well um and i think we're pretty behind

00:09:07.860 the curve um as a nation over here i want to ask you a bit about your article your substack article um but

00:09:15.720 first i know that sir lindsey hoyle the speaker of the house of comments put out a statement wrote to he

00:09:23.000 or members of parliament tell me just something about the response to the um to the british

00:09:29.240 establishment to these revelations it seems to me a little bit performative uh like that they know

00:09:35.640 they've been caught with their pants down somewhat um tell me tell me what the response has been

00:09:42.360 generally and are you happy with it no not at all if i can be blunt um you know i think the easiest way

00:09:49.000 to say this is that they are pandering still to china with the response uh simply because they

00:09:55.320 will not designate china as a threat to national security that's the first thing you have to do

00:10:00.700 when you realize that a hostile foreign power is spying on you now they refuse to do that because

00:10:07.180 they know that our national interests are so entrenched with the chinese national interests

00:10:11.220 look at the matter of chagos that's happening right now which perhaps the americans

00:10:14.940 won't seem as uh impactful as it does over here chagos is literally the military base uh if you want to

00:10:22.880 control the indo um indo region and africa that is essentially the kind of main military not just

00:10:32.700 naval base but also strategic landing base for uh planes as well we're giving that up we're ceding

00:10:38.760 that to mauritius which is essentially a chateau of of china um if you look into the geopolitics of it

00:10:44.760 mauritius is is massively controlled by china um now for us to do that means that we have to be 0.99

00:10:52.220 a not just not caring about our own country but also actively uh in some ways helping china you just

00:10:59.540 don't do something like that unless there is someone at the top the very top of government

00:11:03.740 who is actively working against national interest um and many people have said this at this point you

00:11:10.000 know i'm not alone in saying this but i would go so far as to say without naming names

00:11:14.120 that there are genuine manchurian candidates at the top of our government

00:11:17.580 um i would definitely like you to name names but probably better um we don't want to throw

00:11:27.220 ever more larger portions of our salaries to uh malignant friends um which would clearly be the

00:11:36.960 response were we to name names um but you know what you were saying there about the the the refusal of

00:11:42.580 part of the uk government to officially designate china as a threat to national security as under

00:11:49.560 the national security act 2023 is something that you did somewhat prophetically indicate just a couple

00:11:55.900 of months ago in your substack article i'm going to come on to that in a moment but first i just want

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00:14:32.220 robertson joseph in in your article there you you absolutely do nail this uh on on the reluctance of

00:14:39.560 the british state to declare china using the the national security act 2023 as the the instrument

00:14:48.060 the legal instrument to do this they refuse to do so um so you think basically the response is is

00:14:53.420 performative it's theatrics right pretty much i mean if you look at the calls at the moment within the

00:15:00.840 labor party of course pushed by the fabian change that i talk about so much essentially what they're

00:15:06.300 calling for is a system that mirrors the ccp's social control system in china you've got digital 0.97

00:15:11.840 id being thrust on us i think once those civil liberties are gone uh we will be at the point

00:15:17.160 where we can effectively say that we have communist rule here in this country um if we do get to that

00:15:22.620 point we will have seen essentially a mirroring as i said of the ccp's policies now why would a

00:15:28.060 government that's on track to mirror the ccp's policies even if it doesn't buy into the chinese 1.00

00:15:32.940 agenda why would it halt it because of course if you copy the chinese you get exactly what you want 0.78

00:15:39.200 which is irreversible change and of course my whole point with fabianism and what i always talk about

00:15:44.680 when i'm on here and on twitter is this thing of gradualism it's slow change it's incremental but

00:15:52.500 it's irreversible very often and unless you have massive legislative changes but also massive mindset

00:15:58.780 shifts across the civil service across government across policing across our very fabric um we are

00:16:07.000 not going to be able to contain this we're not going to be able to stop it because it's so far ahead

00:16:10.600 and not only are china trying to take over from outside i believe they're also trying to take over

00:16:17.520 from within as i alluded to earlier and i think digital id is really the hill we've got to die on if

00:16:23.200 that comes in uh it seems uh almost nonsensical to say it when you have bank cards you have all kinds

00:16:30.380 of digital tracking already on the go and of course london is one of the most heavily surveilled cities

00:16:35.100 in the world if not the most surveilled um it seems odd to say it but once digital id comes in and they can

00:16:41.520 track not just where you work and what you earn but where you move and who you see then you are going

00:16:47.680 to be living under authoritarian uh ccp mirrored uh regime control can i play devil's advocate on this 0.56

00:16:56.280 um and as someone you know i i do have substantial libertarian leanings uh so i share your concern with

00:17:06.380 regards to all forms of compulsory identification but here's to play devil's advocate given that the uk

00:17:15.920 the other crisis at the uk one of the one of the other existential crisis crises in the uk at the

00:17:21.940 moment is the illegal alien invasion that's been taking place over over the last decade is it not

00:17:29.140 the case that if everyone was obliged to carry some form of digital id or any kind of idea on their

00:17:36.360 person removing identifying and removing those who are present illegally um in the uk would actually

00:17:45.840 be a far easier operation if you don't have a passport then sure i mean you know the reality

00:17:52.420 is most british adults have a passport um you know and i i'm sure there are a number of people who don't

00:17:59.020 there are i know a number of people who don't but they must carry either a driver's license or a

00:18:03.660 passport and in the rare number of cases where they don't have either um then perhaps they should

00:18:10.140 have to have a passport you know there's nothing wrong with enforcing holding your credentials as a

00:18:17.120 sovereign national of the british isles but i do have a problem with digital id because it takes away

00:18:23.780 uh what should be the mandatory documents of national citizenship which is the passport and it replaces it

00:18:30.240 with a kind of nebulous more what i consider to be a globalist id card which transcends borders in some

00:18:36.300 way i don't think that will be used at all to control the immigrant crisis in fact it will be 0.73

00:18:40.720 used to obfuscate those who perhaps don't have the right to be here but still are able to access for

00:18:46.120 some reason an id and you know that could actually create further tensions down the line what should

00:18:51.440 be happening is that those who are born here with the right to live here with national citizenship

00:18:56.740 should be issued with a document of national citizenship and shouldn't have to carry a digital id just

00:19:02.380 to prove that they're not an illegal immigrant i think that that's uh you know a twisting of of the

00:19:08.300 way things should be um now do i think that perhaps those who are here without national identity uh 0.52

00:19:15.780 without citizenship here perhaps they should have to carry some form of id identifying the fact that

00:19:21.040 they're not from here um that absolutely should be something to consider particularly when it comes to

00:19:26.500 employment rights and all that kind of stuff um i mean it wasn't that long ago we saw

00:19:30.880 i think 10 or so illegal immigrants working carefree on a solar panel farm down in kent uh that was last 0.93

00:19:39.200 year i believe um the reality is that illegal immigrants do get into work in this country and

00:19:44.960 we've got to find a way to stop that but i don't think digital id is the solution

00:19:47.980 it's not the solution um i was being devil's advocate uh here in italy where i am right now uh it's

00:19:56.320 felt like for decades and decades and decades you you are obliged to carry state-sanctioned id

00:20:02.080 the moment you leave your house for whatever purpose you always have to carry it with you

00:20:05.940 and italy has a crisis probably one along with the uk has a huge crisis it's the main point one of the

00:20:13.260 two main points in europe of people flooding into the country over the med um and the fact that

00:20:19.040 regular italians carrying their id um are obliged to have it makes no difference whatsoever they're

00:20:26.080 punished ever more by the state and of course you get you find quite you know gypsies and illegals who 1.00

00:20:32.160 steal cars and what have you they're hardly even stopped by the police now because it's uh too much

00:20:37.840 paperwork when you stop someone who has no papers so of irene of irene of irene is the consequence is is that

00:20:45.040 these things always hit those who are law-abiding more and that those who are um paperless consider

00:20:51.040 ever more invisible um what you really need if you wanted to solve the migrant crisis is a government

00:20:57.200 serious about solving it um rather than one just looking for performative excuses to pretend to be

00:21:03.600 interested in dealing with it just because it knows that people popular opinion is now getting

00:21:10.560 unmanageable um so you'll have that the theatrics but zero interest actually in dealing with it

00:21:17.520 look i know there's a minutes are are counting the way we only have a a few left i just wanted to ask

00:21:23.360 you about something because again it was in the times article but it was very much also in your own

00:21:28.480 piece on substack and and this is the collapse of the case against the two spies um the two christophers

00:21:36.080 i don't know what it is about the uk where the wild spooks seem to carry the name christopher uh

00:21:42.720 that that that these do christopher cash i see uh there's another christopher christopher steel

00:21:48.880 that will obviously be known to to american audience what's going on there um but just tell us again

00:21:55.280 you say that this again you make the same point that this is down to the fact that the uk refuses to

00:22:01.200 nominate china a threat to national security but just in if you can in 60 seconds what was the

00:22:09.040 collapse of this case about well essentially it was uh you know the fact that they couldn't prosecute

00:22:16.320 them under the correct acts because china is not officially designated as a national security threat

00:22:23.840 which again is insane um but leaving that point aside um the reality is that there was no appetite

00:22:31.520 to pursue conviction because if there had been the government would have found a way and once again

00:22:36.640 this takes us back to the point that uh perhaps they don't want further investigation because that's

00:22:42.720 just the tip of the iceberg don't forget these were fairly low level recruits um to all intents and

00:22:48.160 purposes and of course deny wrongdoing but if you take the approach that you are going to prosecute

00:22:53.680 all of these cases equally with a measured hand then you will find that you're prosecuting

00:22:58.480 prosecuting many people uh in the civil service quite rapidly and of course the government doesn't want

00:23:03.920 that because it would unravel exactly what it's trying to achieve um now i can't accuse our own

00:23:11.040 national government of being in bed with china so i won't say that but i will say that their 0.98

00:23:15.680 interests align in a way that is mirrored and unless we wake up to that fact we are going to fall into

00:23:22.720 communism oh well well well on the way on that one right um christopher cash and christopher berry

00:23:29.440 the the two gentlemen uh against whom the the the the um the legal action collapsed uh and i have to

00:23:38.560 compliment you on that because you were here talking about this and it's the importance

00:23:43.760 um a full two months before times of london came around to it with the revelations um that we

00:23:51.440 discussed about the the the the operation the cultivation operation over thousands of people

00:23:57.680 across with westminster look there is one quick thing i must ask you about because this sort of

00:24:03.120 illustrates here in europe the fact that we're not dealing with the the theoretic issues here in

00:24:11.680 germany if i quickly may in the last sort of two minutes of this half of the show in germany uh a very

00:24:19.920 important german politician maximilian kraer afd politician former member of parliament present

00:24:29.360 member of parliament the the bundestag uh he had an aide who was just been sent to jail for five years

00:24:36.880 just uh and that was just like uh a month or two ago and so that's the just tell us if you if you

00:24:44.080 will what what that situation was because i think that indicates how serious this is uh right across

00:24:50.560 continental europe right right well once again i mean the the basic premise is that the ccp is using a uh

00:24:58.640 one-step removed individual from the source of power to try and undermine democratic process and

00:25:04.480 presumably to push policies and uh to lobby for its own agenda um and of course if you can lobby in

00:25:11.280 the office of one of the most powerful politicians without noticing then perhaps there's a again a

00:25:16.400 wider problem because how is the state not responding to this i'll tell you what i think the real problem

00:25:21.520 is ban across the entire west is that we don't have a united response to this at all we don't understand

00:25:28.720 our enemy but also we don't understand how united our enemy is against us this goes into the wider

00:25:34.320 problem of the bricks of the shanghai cooperation organization what the russians call the multipolar

00:25:38.960 world it is a reality now and we know this because we can see russia china iran and the shanghai

00:25:46.080 cooperation organization talking against the west trying to block off our access to rare minerals trying

00:25:53.120 to take over nations that i would call uh in the middle those in africa those in in in western asia

00:26:00.880 and in other areas where there are key natural resources and of course in western countries

00:26:06.080 as well they're trying to uh take over while we sleep and we are sleeping heavily at the moment we've

00:26:12.480 got to wake up and coordinate this response against them that's all we have time for today folks stay

00:26:20.480 with us after the break we'll be going back to the to the bundesdog and hearing from philip gasper uh

00:26:26.640 in the afd group to talk to precisely these themes in the meantime joseph robertson thank you very much

00:26:32.800 once again for coming on the show sharing your expert knowledge with us where do people go on

00:26:37.600 social media to keep up with your analysis uh you can follow me on x at jr types and on instagram

00:26:45.680 at joseph robertson uk and of course on substack at jr types as well so wherever you prefer to find me i

00:26:52.480 will be there joseph robertson many many thanks indeed we'll catch up again with you soon stay

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00:32:06.080 going to be talking now to uh philip gaspar who's a balkan analyst working at the bundesdag the german

00:32:12.960 parliament for the uh the afd um and why are we talking to philip gaspar today because

00:32:21.040 next month in the middle of december we are going to be marking commemorating the 30th anniversary of

00:32:28.880 the the dayton accords which marked the end of the war in bosnia and herzegovina and the reason i

00:32:36.000 think this is particularly important not just because it's the 30th anniversary that most people have

00:32:40.960 totally forgotten about this is the fact that right now we're also talking about some kind of

00:32:49.760 u.s guaranteed security guarantees for um for ukraine and presumably also for gaza

00:33:02.080 and i just thought it might be useful to highlight here for the warring posse that these things can go

00:33:07.040 on and on and on long after people have forgotten about it philip welcome on to the show uh you're a

00:33:16.880 great expert on this tell us why don't you just synthesize very briefly for the war room posse the

00:33:24.080 current situation in bosnia and herzegovina as a protectorate um you've written quite recently quite

00:33:32.240 eloquently in fact about the whole situation that this is effectively a protectorate not capable of

00:33:38.640 standing on its own two feet and very much is still reliant after 30 years on us and eu support that i

00:33:49.600 think absolutely you know the world has moved on people don't think about it but this as a viable

00:33:54.320 entity would not continue without america and the european union uh and i just like you if you wouldn't

00:34:00.400 mind just to outlie what what the current situation is there for our audience yeah thank you thank you

00:34:08.400 very much for having me on the show so um first of all as you said so i'm born and raised in germany

00:34:14.080 with my my family is from former yugoslavio especially from bosnia to govina so my two older brothers

00:34:21.120 are were born in sarajevo and so the first fact i always try to clarify to don't get me wrong to let's

00:34:27.840 say foreign people is there is no such thing as a like a bosnian nation so the bosnians though do

00:34:35.120 not exist not legally not historically not politically so bosnia is a it's not a state

00:34:41.840 built on equality of it's built on equality of three different nations two different constitute people

00:34:48.240 that stopped the war together built and made this peace agreement signed in paris which was which was

00:34:54.160 at that time made out in in dayton but then you have those three constitute people that are bosniacs

00:35:01.360 not bosnians bosniacs that are predominantly muslims they also make the demographic majority then you

00:35:07.760 have the croats the predominantly catholic like my well like my family and then you have the serbs that

00:35:14.160 are predominantly serbian orthodox so these are and these are not three subgroups or regions they are the

00:35:21.040 three nations that founded the state bosnia and herzegovina after the this bloody bloody war even

00:35:27.200 the most most cruel and bloody war after the second world war in the core in the core of europe that

00:35:34.160 most of the people um even today sometimes even haven't heard about it but today now what we have

00:35:41.600 the situation after the next month the 30 years of the dating agreement uh people often say bosnia

00:35:48.800 you have to go i wouldn't say it's not a failed state it's as you said it's a it's a managed state

00:35:54.640 so by the last proctorat proctorat in europe okay um no please i didn't mean to interrupt you quite so

00:36:03.920 abruptly but you were just talking we had up on the screen your article in the berliner zeitung um outlining

00:36:11.360 this your thesis um and on this point that you're talking right now it's clear from your analysis

00:36:18.640 that the state at the moment the territory the protectorate i'll let you choose the the word you

00:36:24.400 want to to ascribe to it it's stable and there is no war um and there is uh let's call it an imposed

00:36:32.880 peace right that is absolutely true after 30 years but your writing is clear

00:36:38.000 that this stability would not survive um between the three very separate peoples

00:36:47.360 um were it not for the continued eu and us support is that correct exactly so as i try to figure out

00:36:57.200 in my article so it's a managed peace and thank god we had we had bosnia's government got peace after

00:37:03.360 after the bloody war but it's it's a managed sustainability so there's no progress after 40

00:37:08.320 years so this so this date an agreement was made to stop the war but as i said it's uh it's there is

00:37:14.720 peace but it's not there is no sovereignty so the so the the state itself is not it's not developing

00:37:20.880 it's not progressing at all it's uh i think even the most complicated political system we have

00:37:26.640 maybe i wouldn't say in the world but when it comes to europe is um definitely like three different

00:37:34.080 presidents 14 parliaments two different identities in such a small country and i think with the most

00:37:40.720 complicated veto rights that that we have just to give you some examples of it but to answer a question

00:37:46.640 so yeah that's the point do you see any potential for a similar situation emerging in ukraine

00:38:01.120 it's a it's a good good question i'm i'm right at the moment i'm that is to say philip specific

00:38:08.560 specifically what i'm asking um and i'm basing this question now on the latest reports of the trump

00:38:15.840 peace plan in ukraine which is um the us will offer security guarantees not only to ukraine um but

00:38:25.360 also to europe in in the face of um russian aggression um

00:38:32.400 and that will that the the requirement on ukraine is to cede even sort of more parts of the donbass

00:38:40.000 to uh to russia than than that which russia currently has what i'm asking specifically is

00:38:45.200 do you think there's a possibility obviously you you you wouldn't replicate the the total

00:38:51.040 situation in the former yugoslavia in ukraine but what i mean to say is is there a potential that you

00:38:56.400 can see where there will be peace but that peace is only ever going to be guaranteed by us and eu

00:39:04.880 oversight and support yes and i see i am i see the danger of some parallel so like like the data

00:39:12.400 an agreement now there could be there could be a similar situation in ukraine so that

00:39:16.640 that the war will be stopped but then you have to separate as you mentioned the crimea or let's

00:39:20.720 say eastern eastern ukraine which then will officially probably be a be a part still of the ukraine but

00:39:28.000 protected with security guarantees from from the us or even from europe or or with german soldiers

00:39:34.560 whatever so it will stop it will stop the war it will implement peace but it will be like similar to

00:39:40.480 bosnia to govina there won't be any progress so actually basically it will stop the war or break

00:39:45.360 it but then to answer a question yes i see that i see the danger it's the similar situation we could

00:39:50.880 have with no progress after 30 years still with the same situation the the so-called ukraine not so

00:39:58.720 called the ukrainians and the russians on the one side um separating one part is small looking even

00:40:05.440 more going towards russia the other part of european union so yeah definitely definitely see that i would

00:40:12.960 call it danger some other people probably would call it a chance or or the solution yeah on the

00:40:20.400 war we'll definitely call that a danger standby folks we'll be back with philip gasper in just a

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00:41:24.800 us a quick word philip and explain what the actual structure is right now in bosnia and herzegovina

00:41:32.000 where you have this strange creature this high representative which seems almost like a lord

00:41:38.640 to protect her in the in the cromwellian sense effectively a dictator which astonishingly enough

00:41:44.880 sits above all the 14 parliaments which you mentioned above the courts um has the free power

00:41:50.800 to annul or ratify laws and dismiss politicians that the point is and you very correctly said that

00:41:57.120 there is a potential development um in ukraine um a quagmire that the west is never going to get out of 0.96

00:42:06.080 that might follow the similar situation here in the form of yugoslavia why don't you just say how

00:42:12.400 invested the us and the eu are on a day-to-day basis via this high representative which i think is is

00:42:21.760 christian schmidt right now exactly it's a it's a german christian schmidt former mp for the csu

00:42:29.840 who has this um some people would call it colonizer function so as you as you mentioned he can impose any

00:42:36.480 he's the heart of the colonial structure i mean um you can't even imagine or can make up something

00:42:43.120 like this or uh a function with the so-called bond powers that were established 97 so he has to

00:42:49.600 this bond powers allow him to impose laws by decree maybe doing like this abolish laws rewrite legislation

00:42:58.480 dissolve parliaments freeze administrative acts basically he is uh basically some make jokes he's the new

00:43:05.840 tito in in bosnia-herzegovina but i can change the criminal code basically can do everything

00:43:11.440 without asking asking someone and as he did this summer uh with the with the in the case of the

00:43:18.240 that time um doric case when the sovereignty collapsed with the with the president president

00:43:24.160 of the republica srpska which is one of the two entities that we have in bosnia-herzegovina no not

00:43:28.880 sure if you're familiar with the with the fact with the case what happens what happened there so i can

00:43:34.960 just um explain it shortly if you want so yeah as far as far as i'm aware president doddik refused to um

00:43:43.760 to confirm decrees issued by christian schmidt the high representative so schmidt dismissed him

00:43:50.240 and an elected effectively european bureaucrat dismissed a president exactly who has a mandate

00:43:58.960 who then appealed and obviously lost the appeal um and then strangely enough politically the appeal

00:44:07.600 in political terms went to washington dc where the trump administration turned around did something

00:44:13.760 quite surprising and unexpected back in october if i'm not mistaken where they actually lifted the

00:44:21.040 sanctions that had been imposed on him basically saying you guys need to sort this self sort this out

00:44:27.360 why don't you use that platform philip just to explain now the difference in approach between the us

00:44:34.080 and the eu to handling the the situation in bosnia and herzegovina i would explain i would answer and

00:44:42.720 explain it shortly just just to make it for the viewers once again because it's so ridiculous actually

00:44:48.080 it sounds like france kafka so so um so think about what it means so you have an elected president

00:44:54.480 doesn't matter if you like him or not elected president at that time milora doddik by the serbs

00:44:58.720 and and based on a law that was created on on by created by the high representative

00:45:06.080 um and who cannot be reviewed by any court in the country that's that's even a point

00:45:12.000 so this is not a constitution constitutional democracy and there's rule by exception

00:45:18.000 and because milora doddik well or the president one didn't want to apply this law he got he got um

00:45:24.000 removed or out of his function but to answer a question towards the two approaches i i just think

00:45:29.440 that under the new um let's say the new government by donald trump it's just a more realistic approach

00:45:35.280 uh means guys it took you with guys i means the um the free people of bosnia and sugovina it took

00:45:40.960 you 40 years you couldn't handle it so um get your stuff together talk talk to each other we are not

00:45:46.640 anymore um putting in any money into it or whatever you invest so sort your things out because at the

00:45:52.960 end of the day you free people have to live together and and so the us they are not they don't want to

00:46:00.880 they don't want to remove the function of the high representative i think they just emphasize it that

00:46:05.760 that the people down there needs at the end of the day talk to each other and work sorted out by

00:46:12.800 themselves which is good but then on the other side you have to let's call the european approach or

00:46:17.360 even the german approach i mean german um foreign minister waterful just this week was uh had a

00:46:25.120 was in bosnia and he and he gave his um support once again he met with christian schmidt he was in

00:46:32.240 sarajevo he met with christian schmidt and and said that that the high representative plays

00:46:37.680 a still an important role and is supported supported strongly by the german government

00:46:42.880 so if you if you ask me what's the right approach it's definitely it's definitely um from the from the

00:46:50.240 from the american administration when you ask me how something will end we have a joke here in

00:46:55.120 germany we have no idea how it will how it will um go on but we we know in the end the germans will pay 1.00

00:47:01.520 when it comes to europe in a global in a global in a global scale probably the us when it comes to europe

00:47:06.480 scale then germany will pay for it um that's that's probably the case in bosnia and herzegovina

00:47:12.960 uh with with with regards to ukraine i think uh that everyone is going to be putting their their

00:47:18.800 hands and i saw something in the press today uh talking referring to something like over 165 billion

00:47:25.840 dollars 165 billion dollars are going to be needed immediately um to invest in in in ukraine and we know

00:47:35.840 where that sort of money is going to come from um and it can't come from germany because germany

00:47:40.480 doesn't have the money right now i mean that's the point i mean even though germany has at um at

00:47:46.400 friedrich metz's specific request changed its constitutional lockdown on on its national on its

00:47:53.840 deficit limit in order to fund the war in ukraine it's heading into recession there's the money the

00:47:59.440 money's simply not there i don't even think germany's going to be able to go forward with this draft that

00:48:04.960 is promising to do in order to take the reins from from the us in ukraine so it's clear that that

00:48:11.840 germany doesn't know the powerhouse the economic powerhouse of the eu uh doesn't have money for the

00:48:17.200 foreseeable future neither for the former yugoslavia neither for ukraine look we've only got a couple

00:48:23.680 of minutes left philip i just want to read you this quote from valentine insko who was the high

00:48:28.960 representative before um christian schmidt and he said when he you know uh when he was still in office

00:48:36.320 that we have to wait for the moment that bosnia herzegovina is irreversibly on its way to euro

00:48:43.840 atlantic integration then we should shut down the office um that's a pretty blatant maneuver on behalf

00:48:51.440 of an unelected bureaucrat meddling in what ought to be a sovereign decision of a of of um of a

00:49:01.760 tripartite people but it's clear that it's not a sovereign nation it has the stability and the peace

00:49:08.560 that the high representative imposes but it doesn't have the sovereignty uh and that's really the the

00:49:14.800 reason that's really the reason that that binds the us and the eu the eu still as as you wrote in

00:49:22.960 your article almost 30 years after the the signing of the the date and peace accords um this is the

00:49:30.320 investment that that these kind of deals involve um and that's why i'm very grateful that that you

00:49:37.360 that you've come on the show today to highlight this because in the rest of the world and i know

00:49:41.920 germany does take a leading role now and it is part of the political debate but elsewhere in the eu

00:49:47.040 certainly not in the united states no one is talking about about bosnia herzegovina nobody um you know

00:49:53.040 everyone's sort of still making the contributions uh to keep the thing going but it's it's not on the

00:49:58.320 political radar and that's the risk exactly when when the united states comes in and says uh as the as

00:50:07.040 president trump has done um will offer the security in order for peace in ukraine will offer security

00:50:13.680 guarantees not only to europe not only to the uk to ukraine as i was saying before but also to europe

00:50:19.360 this is an investment that is going to go on and on and on and on just just give me just 30 seconds if

00:50:26.480 you wouldn't mind philip what was your reaction to that quote by valentine insko

00:50:31.120 um who is from the he's from austria but um from slovenian by by heritage i think so i mean from for

00:50:41.920 me it sounds like a typical typical quote from a from a foreigner that has absolutely absolutely no 0.99

00:50:48.480 idea what's going on and it sounds nice of course yeah then so he said the moment bosnia becomes a

00:50:55.760 sovereign state who doesn't they don't need the high representative anymore yeah of course so

00:50:59.840 basically um this won't happen in the near future so i think if you if you want to get rid of this

00:51:06.800 function and really help the people then don't listen to him listen to trump it the the when it

00:51:14.720 becomes a sovereign state for sure but it's specifically the part that catches me is is the reference to the

00:51:20.080 euro um integration to shepherd it in shepherd this territory and this protectorate into the european

00:51:27.280 union and of course that what that will do is absolutely bind in the other western european

00:51:33.440 nations into into a one-way a one-way conveyor belt of of financing and funding philip gasper very

00:51:43.120 very grateful for you coming on the war today to share your expertise uh please you know perhaps come

00:51:48.640 back uh as we as we near i think what is it december the 14th december the 15th the actual 30th

00:51:53.600 anniversary uh with with your uh most recent observations but in the meantime where do people go on social

00:51:59.920 media to keep up with your writing you know to make account gaspar gaspar philip exactly that's it

00:52:09.680 that's great that you can find analysis and anything you need thanks for having me on the show and

00:52:15.440 philip thanks very much for joining us thank you to to victorio franco who put this together to will

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