Bannon's War Room - November 25, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 898： Promises Made Promises Kept With Reducing Housing Cost; Free Tina Peters


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Join us as we hear from Gail Slater and Peter Tickton as they discuss the latest in the Tina Peters case, and how the Justice Department's Antitrust Division is leading the fight against the "Big Tech" oligarchs.

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:19.360 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:24.720 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:28.860 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:30.940 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:32.360 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:34.060 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:35.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:36.280 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:39.660 MAGA Media.
00:00:41.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:46.420 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:50.200 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:55.860 Save War Room.
00:00:57.440 Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:01:05.940 It's Monday, 24, November in the year of law work, 2025.
00:01:09.220 Thank you for sticking around for the early evening hour of our late afternoon, early evening edition.
00:01:16.360 We have two very prominent lawyers.
00:01:18.420 Peter Tickton is going to join us momentarily.
00:01:20.520 He is the lead lawyer for Tina Peters.
00:01:23.360 We're going to get a complete update on Tina Peters' situation.
00:01:26.660 I want to go back to Gail Slater.
00:01:28.480 Gail is the head of the antitrust division in the Justice Department.
00:01:34.540 And as such, normally he's considered one of the most feared lawyers by corporate America,
00:01:41.460 the big tech oligarchs, Wall Street, et cetera.
00:01:44.920 Gail, just before I got a bunch of questions to this, I know the audience is very excited about you joining us.
00:01:52.680 And antitrust is a big deal here because people don't like these massive companies running the deal.
00:01:58.220 Just your background with President Trump.
00:01:59.880 You were in the first term with us.
00:02:01.300 I think you were at the National Security Council.
00:02:03.160 Can you just give us your background in the first Trump term?
00:02:06.520 Yeah, actually it was National Economic Council.
00:02:08.440 And so I worked under Larry Kudlow and my portfolio there was tech and telecom, cyber,
00:02:16.440 working with the National Security Council folks, the true patriots in every White House.
00:02:21.260 And yeah, I had a great honor to work there.
00:02:24.100 And then my background in technology and in antitrust got me to where I am today.
00:02:29.920 So talk to us about President Trump, and obviously this focuses on affordability
00:02:36.160 and also making sure we have an economy that's growing, creating jobs, et cetera.
00:02:40.720 Are you a stumbling block?
00:02:42.100 Is the antitrust division a stumbling block for that?
00:02:45.400 Or it can actually help increase productivity, competition, growth, jobs, wages, et cetera, ma'am?
00:02:53.300 A hundred percent, a hundred percent.
00:02:54.440 And it's great to be able to talk to people with your knowledge and to the Warren Posse about this.
00:03:00.220 So a lot of people think of us as regulators.
00:03:02.300 We're not.
00:03:02.820 We're law enforcers.
00:03:04.040 We're the cop on the beat.
00:03:05.280 And no one believes in capitalism and free market capitalism more than we do here at the division.
00:03:11.980 We love it so much.
00:03:13.260 We do it full time.
00:03:14.420 And we are the cops on the beat for the free enterprise system.
00:03:19.280 Often we will see concentration across our economy.
00:03:22.720 And we would submit that's not free market competition.
00:03:26.000 That needs more competition.
00:03:27.980 That is what you would call, Steve, on your show, corporatism.
00:03:32.180 It's growing capitalism.
00:03:33.520 We want more competition.
00:03:35.320 And that was, I think, why the president picked me.
00:03:38.660 He, in his December announcement of my nomination last year, took it, called out big tech.
00:03:44.400 And he tasked me with, you know, staying on top of big tech because he loves competition too.
00:03:51.000 He's a competitive guy by nature.
00:03:52.720 And he did it as much and said what he said as much in support of the little tech companies to see them thrive, to come under the heel of the big tech platforms.
00:04:03.020 So you work with the FCC.
00:04:06.780 You work with the FTC.
00:04:08.420 You guys are bringing, you know, you're in court all the time.
00:04:11.520 What is the overall just kind of philosophy?
00:04:13.900 Because you've seen, I tell people, the biggest difference I've seen between the first term and the second term in those four years, the concentration of corporate power was pretty overwhelming in the first term.
00:04:24.520 But under Biden, it just got so concentrated, whether it's big pharma, whether it's big tech, the corporatists, Wall Street, et cetera.
00:04:32.440 So given that you've got other allies and you've got the alphabet agencies that are also kind of what we call neo-Brandeisians, you've got great work, you know, great work over the FCC at the FTC.
00:04:44.680 How do you guys look at the world and how do you divide things up?
00:04:48.820 Yeah.
00:04:49.300 So, well, so Mike, the priority number one I was tasked with by the president was big tech.
00:04:54.120 And we're doing the thing.
00:04:55.200 We are, as you would say, Steve, we're keeping the main thing the main thing.
00:04:58.940 We have two big cases against Google.
00:05:01.000 And we closed out the last one on Friday and we're going to wait on a remedies decision from the judge down in Virginia, your beloved home state, that we should get that about January, February.
00:05:12.360 We have a search case that's also before us.
00:05:16.160 And to the extent that, you know, I have time in the day after that, it's a big docket, but I really want to focus on affordability, on the pocketbook issues.
00:05:25.180 And I promised that I committed that to the senators when I went before them for confirmation.
00:05:28.900 So, in addition to the RealPage case, which I just talked about before the break, you know, we have other things going on around affordability, the cost of living.
00:05:40.240 How can we make the markets more competitive such that prices come down through these market forces and everybody gets more money back in their pocketbooks and can maybe even put it into a savings account?
00:05:51.860 Wouldn't that be nice?
00:05:53.060 And we have a lot of support to do that.
00:05:55.140 And our friends at Rasmussen polling, so Mark Mitchell, good guy, he did some recent polling for us.
00:06:01.680 And Americans get what we're about.
00:06:03.960 And they want to see more competition.
00:06:06.100 They want to see a breakaway from these consolidated markets.
00:06:09.760 And it's not even close.
00:06:11.620 It's across all demographics.
00:06:13.140 It's very bipartisan, which is neat to see around this town.
00:06:17.400 When Mark sent me back the polling, he was pretty amazed by some of the numbers.
00:06:21.280 It's like as high as the 70s or the high 70s support levels for our work.
00:06:26.800 And he said, you know, in his text back to me, this is a carte blanche if ever I saw one.
00:06:31.600 So, that's what we're really focused on.
00:06:33.580 And this week, in addition to the RealPage case, the rental market case, we've also, through our criminal section, Omid, who is, you know, a friend of the shows too, we sentenced the very, very first time the division has taken a wage-fixing case through our criminal section.
00:06:54.960 And wage-fixing is different from price-fixing.
00:06:58.000 Wage-fixing is like fixing the salaries.
00:07:00.220 In this case, Lopez, it was salaries going to hardworking nurses in Las Vegas. 1.00
00:07:05.800 And whereas the judge is sending Mr. Lopez to jail for 40 months for wage-fixing those nurses' salaries at a time when they really needed that money. 0.97
00:07:15.660 So, that's another area of focus for us here at the division.
00:07:18.980 And then recently, and quite publicly, I know you've talked to Dr. Navarro about this, we were tasked at looking into the Big Four meatpackers.
00:07:28.840 Can't say too much about that investigation because we don't talk about our pending investigations.
00:07:34.000 But, you know, the Big Four, another consolidated industry, we have four competitors.
00:07:39.580 They control about 85% of that market-by-market share.
00:07:42.900 And about 40% of that share is controlled by two Brazilian companies.
00:07:47.100 So, the president has tasked us with looking into that industry in particular.
00:07:52.240 And we're also looking at other bits of, like, the food sector.
00:07:55.200 We have an egg investigation that's opened since the very start of the administration.
00:08:01.460 And egg prices have come down.
00:08:02.760 So, we like to think we've been a part of that.
00:08:06.140 I just want to come back and make sure people understand this.
00:08:08.800 The meatpackers have consolidated down to four.
00:08:12.200 And two of them are Brazilian companies.
00:08:14.480 Not even American companies, correct?
00:08:15.940 Yeah, that's right.
00:08:17.860 And Secretary Rollins has been really involved with us and working alongside us.
00:08:21.960 We have a memorandum of understanding with the USDA.
00:08:25.340 And she makes the valid point that, you know, this is not just an economic issue.
00:08:30.900 This is also possibly a national security issue.
00:08:34.600 You know, you're giving over your food supply chain to foreign-owned companies.
00:08:38.100 And that can be a national security issue.
00:08:41.740 That's something that, obviously, we learned during the pandemic with regards to the PPE and so on coming in from China.
00:08:50.620 Our supply chains can be vulnerable when there are too much in the hands of foreign ownership.
00:08:56.140 Omid worked in the interim from the first term to the second.
00:09:03.300 Omid actually took a job as a prosecutor in D.C. to learn basically how you prosecute criminal cases.
00:09:11.100 Has that helped him as your deputy?
00:09:14.180 Do you anticipate you're going to be bringing more criminal charges, either against wage fixers or price fixers going forward?
00:09:20.920 Is Omid, particularly his years prosecuting crimes in D.C., is that helping him be your deputy?
00:09:27.420 He is.
00:09:29.200 I mean, it's the real deal of a criminal prosecutor.
00:09:31.320 He's shaking things up.
00:09:32.640 I mean, just the simple fact, Steve, that the wage-fixing case that he brought to trial is the first time in the history of the division, the history of this division at the DOJ, that we've won a wage-fixing case.
00:09:45.480 So that alone tells you that he's working hard and he's a fierce prosecutor.
00:09:52.260 That's amazing.
00:09:53.000 This is why we need more media following what you guys are doing.
00:09:57.620 Last question.
00:09:58.780 I did a shift over from Eric Bolling today.
00:10:00.780 You know, Eric was actually, President Trump talked to him about being Commerce Secretary during the first term.
00:10:05.940 And we were talking, and Eric goes, hey, President Trump and the economic team have done such a good job on full-spectrum energy dominance and bringing commodity prices down that the input cost to the major companies now is, I'm not saying record lows,
00:10:20.780 but it's dropped so much from the Biden term, yet the prices haven't come up.
00:10:25.000 Now, President Trump is the capitalist capitalist.
00:10:28.020 But as you know, he was a scrappy real estate developer in New York City and always taking on the big guys.
00:10:34.340 Is there going to be any effort to say, hey, we've had – you've got these prices that are kind of here.
00:10:39.420 And President Trump, through his policies and the execution of those policies by the cabinet, has brought energy costs down dramatically, kind of full-spectrum energy dominance, plus the other commodity prices, input prices, or input costs.
00:10:53.200 Is there some point in time when we're going to start looking at what these people are charging folks at retail?
00:11:00.800 Because we know the wholesale prices, I think, are coming down.
00:11:02.740 Is Justice going to look at that at all?
00:11:06.600 Yeah, so we're looking at a bunch of different prices in that regard.
00:11:10.980 But you make a great point, which is like a lot of the macroeconomic policies are already working their way through the economy.
00:11:16.860 So the energy shift in energy policy, deregulation, the tax cuts will kick in big time earlier next year.
00:11:24.800 And so we're just a piece of that, but where we can be helpful is looking at these markets at the micro level and looking at individual companies, individual sectors of the economy, and taking a deep dive into pricing at the retail level, as you say.
00:11:40.300 Gail, I'm going to leave you with, you know, Larry Kudlow and I are both big believers in growth.
00:11:47.720 We come at it in two different ways.
00:11:49.260 We're more populous.
00:11:51.300 Larry's a little more of a Wall Street guy.
00:11:54.160 But when you worked for Larry at the NEC, what was the best thing you liked about Larry Kudlow as your boss?
00:12:00.880 He and I bonded over his conversion to Catholicism.
00:12:05.520 And we would talk about our shared Catholic faith.
00:12:08.360 And he had the zeal of a convert.
00:12:10.280 And I love that about Larry.
00:12:12.020 He converted during his 12-step program.
00:12:15.580 He talks very openly about being a reformed alcoholic.
00:12:18.760 And his joke was, did you ever see such a thing as a Jew who went into a 12-step program and came out the other side of Catholic? 0.73
00:12:28.880 Pretty amazing.
00:12:29.980 Pretty amazing.
00:12:30.600 Gail, how do people track you over at Main Justice?
00:12:34.000 Social media and the social media account for the department, for the antitrust division.
00:12:40.500 Yeah.
00:12:40.840 So follow the work.
00:12:41.920 I have a personal account, but please follow the work.
00:12:43.840 It's way more important.
00:12:44.820 So I'm at A-A-G Slater on X.
00:12:47.980 There you go.
00:12:48.540 Thanks so much.
00:12:49.780 And my personal is Gail A Slater.
00:12:52.040 I can be a little spicy there.
00:12:53.380 But the real action is taking place over at the work accounts.
00:12:57.340 God bless, Steve.
00:13:00.420 Thank you.
00:13:00.580 Gail Slater.
00:13:00.960 Thank you so much.
00:13:02.360 Great job on the renters.
00:13:03.700 And we look forward to getting more information as you attack affordability from the Justice Department.
00:13:08.240 Thank you, ma'am.
00:13:08.880 And happy Thanksgiving to all the war room posse. 0.59
00:13:12.840 Love you all.
00:13:14.300 Thank you.
00:13:14.880 All right.
00:13:15.240 Thank you, ma'am.
00:13:15.720 Bye.
00:13:15.960 Love you, too.
00:13:17.780 One of the real fighters, Gail Slater. 0.98
00:13:19.640 Tough as boot leather.
00:13:23.440 Peter Tickton.
00:13:24.280 Tina Peters.
00:13:27.720 First off, can we get an update?
00:13:29.220 Is she out of solitary confinement?
00:13:32.200 Is she out of the shoe?
00:13:33.740 Is she in good health?
00:13:35.220 I mean, so many rumors fly around.
00:13:37.700 The people in Colorado should be ashamed of themselves, not just of what they're doing, but the lack of information.
00:13:43.480 So first off, because I know you've got a big announcement to make that something you're working on here for Tina.
00:13:49.540 Just can you get us a sit rep up to date on what's happening to her?
00:13:54.280 Yes.
00:13:56.100 She's out of solitary.
00:13:58.720 What happened was there's this teacher that teaches the GED courses there in the prison who was not teaching reading, writing, arithmetic.
00:14:09.780 He was teaching Tina Peters, and he's a lefty.
00:14:14.280 So, you know, it wasn't exactly complimentary.
00:14:17.540 So what he was doing is extremely dangerous because you start turning people against people in a closed environment.
00:14:27.080 You're going to see terrible things happening.
00:14:31.180 So she went to him and asked him, please stop that, and he wouldn't stop.
00:14:35.120 So then she filled out a grievance statement, which is something that jail provides. 0.99
00:14:43.100 And then when she did make a grievance, the first reaction that they had was to basically take her and put her into solitary confinement.
00:14:55.300 But it wasn't exactly the kind of solitary confinement that we've seen, like with the J6ers and so on, where they get out one hour a day, and even then they're just in another cell that they can see a little sky maybe. 1.00
00:15:09.820 No, hers was, I mean, it was just cement.
00:15:14.120 It was awful.
00:15:14.940 But at the same time, she was able to get out to make a phone call, at least call her lawyer since she called me.
00:15:22.620 But nevertheless, it was horrible.
00:15:24.340 It was absolutely horrible for her.
00:15:26.520 You know, she's a 70-year-old lady. 1.00
00:15:28.980 She's not used to being put into situations like this.
00:15:34.020 I mean, this is, even after being in there for over a year, it's still a very difficult thing.
00:15:38.700 But I think what happened was, and they didn't communicate this to her, they didn't let her know how long she was going to be in there.
00:15:45.320 So for all she knew, she was going to serve the next eight years in solitary.
00:15:48.980 She had no idea.
00:15:50.640 But I think what the prison was actually doing was making sure that she was safe.
00:15:56.480 You know, once this came about, and then they allowed her today, or it could have been last night, to sign off that she didn't feel she was in danger.
00:16:08.700 And then they released her and let her be in her cell again, where she really is not in as much danger as she used to be.
00:16:17.400 Because, you know, it just so happens that the people right around her understand her and accept her.
00:16:26.180 But it was a very dangerous point.
00:16:28.820 They forced her to sign what?
00:16:32.580 What, they forced her to sign?
00:16:34.240 Well, they didn't force her to sign.
00:16:35.440 They got her to sign that she does not feel that she's in danger, in any particular danger.
00:16:42.900 Or else, you know, she would have still been in solitary. 0.81
00:16:47.300 So it's kind of funny.
00:16:48.520 You got to sign something.
00:16:50.580 Yeah.
00:16:51.540 Here's what I don't understand.
00:16:52.720 When I was in federal prison, I also was in the Education Department teaching.
00:16:56.500 You don't have the flexibility just to go after people.
00:16:59.220 I mean, they give you a curriculum.
00:17:00.960 Now, you can do variations on that.
00:17:03.200 I did a lot of variations, but it was never to mention another inmate.
00:17:07.400 I mean, how can you have a GED?
00:17:08.760 And the GED, by the way, I had flexibility because I was teaching civics in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution.
00:17:15.220 I had a lot of flexibility at talking about, you know, the issues related to finance and debt and deficits that the students had never heard of before and wanted to learn.
00:17:25.300 They had a thirst for this knowledge.
00:17:27.060 But the GED program there is required in all federal prisons.
00:17:33.440 You've got to get a GED if you're going to be there long enough.
00:17:35.620 Maybe it's in Colorado also.
00:17:37.120 But that's a very, you know, you're teaching math.
00:17:40.440 You're teaching English, sometimes English as a second language.
00:17:43.920 You're teaching reading and writing.
00:17:45.500 I mean, there's no variation.
00:17:46.840 They have to take these tests.
00:17:48.480 How can a GED teacher in the Bureau of Prisons in Colorado be actually teaching Tina Peters, be going after Tina Peters?
00:17:56.300 I mean, it's outrageous.
00:17:57.420 Is anybody on top of that?
00:17:59.340 I know you guys are very aggressive, but is anybody on the prison authorities in Colorado to say this is unacceptable?
00:18:05.960 Let's just say we're working on that.
00:18:12.340 I need to find out a little bit more information.
00:18:14.080 I need to figure out if this guy is still there or if he's now been kicked out of the place.
00:18:21.340 I mean, you know, somebody like that.
00:18:22.780 I mean, you know, I don't like seeing people lose their livelihood.
00:18:28.340 But when you have somebody like this that puts people in danger, I mean, that's an idiot.
00:18:33.580 It needs to be out of there.
00:18:35.380 I'm sorry.
00:18:36.300 I shouldn't have said that because that's not fair to all the idiots.
00:18:39.720 I can see them complaining.
00:18:43.860 Peter, can you describe when I was in federal prison, the SHU, the special housing unit, which is either they call it the whole or solitary, is not a place.
00:18:54.500 I mean, they put people that do drugs, get lines, start fights, start riots.
00:18:58.580 They put them in the SHU normally before they transfer them to a medium, but sometimes 30, 60 days.
00:19:04.680 This is a penalty.
00:19:05.840 Psychologically, it is very tough for the hardest of the hard to get through.
00:19:10.420 I mean, you just don't have any access to anything.
00:19:13.280 These sales are not the best.
00:19:15.260 Is that what Tina Peters had in Colorado? 0.55
00:19:18.140 Was she put into a SHU that is one of these ones that's very confining?
00:19:21.960 You know, is that what they put her in?
00:19:24.600 Yes, they did.
00:19:26.820 But as I said, they allowed her to go out to make a phone call.
00:19:29.760 But when she would need to go out to make a phone call, that meant everybody else had to stay in their cells.
00:19:36.540 And they couldn't be, you know, at leisure while she was making a phone call.
00:19:41.440 It's not exactly a way to become, you know, popular or acceptable to the other people that are now getting upset with you because you're making a phone call.
00:19:51.680 So, I mean, when you're in, you know, because you have a personal experience.
00:19:59.000 And I'm sorry that you do, but you do have that knowledge of what it's like to be in a confined place with other people that might be very dangerous.
00:20:09.740 You know, in the women's prisons in Colorado, it's not like the men's prisons where the monsters are in maximum security. 0.60
00:20:17.880 And then they've got medium security, minimum.
00:20:19.860 They've got camps.
00:20:22.100 But with women, they put them all together. 1.00
00:20:24.040 So, you've got Tina Peters, which, if she had committed a crime, would have been a white-collar crime.
00:20:32.040 And she did not commit a crime.
00:20:34.520 But if she, you know, so you've got your white-collar people together with your monsters. 0.96
00:20:41.380 And it's a scary place for these women. 1.00
00:20:44.040 And don't think that some women aren't monsters. 1.00
00:20:46.780 Believe me, she had a cellmate at one point who was, and not only participated in a murder, but she was the one that chopped up the body, you know?
00:20:57.260 No, these prisons are full of predators.
00:20:59.660 They are full of some of the worst people in the world.
00:21:03.060 What is Tina's health like? 0.53
00:21:04.380 What was it like before she went to solitary?
00:21:06.660 And what is it like when she gets out?
00:21:08.100 Because there's all kind of rumors going around about her health.
00:21:11.120 Can you get us up to date on the facts?
00:21:13.380 Yes, yes.
00:21:14.340 Okay, so, you know, before she got into this whole mess, she had cancer.
00:21:21.800 And she had most of one of her lungs removed. 0.73
00:21:26.220 So, she's got about one and a third lung left. 1.00
00:21:29.500 I mean, she's compromised.
00:21:32.280 And when they put the heat on in the prison, it blows all these particles through the ducts, out of the ducts, mold particles,
00:21:42.320 and other things that are making the people in their sick, not just her.
00:21:47.720 But she's especially compromised because of her age, coupled with the fact that she only has one and a third lungs left. 1.00
00:21:54.540 So, you know, it got really bad.
00:21:57.880 And I have to tell you that the prison got very busy, you know, once these complaints were being aired.
00:22:04.080 And they got to scrubbing up some of the mold and so on.
00:22:10.600 And they did some remedial measures to make it a bit better.
00:22:15.000 But she's still coughing.
00:22:17.180 You know, she can't get rid of the cough. 1.00
00:22:19.640 She says it's the same cough that she had before they diagnosed her with cancer.
00:22:23.920 And the first time they diagnosed her with cancer, they looked and looked for what the problem was.
00:22:28.760 And they couldn't find it.
00:22:29.960 And then eventually they found it.
00:22:31.720 And she's concerned that it's the same thing going on at this point.
00:22:36.400 So, it's very scary for her.
00:22:39.120 And she's in a place that's just a horrible place to be.
00:22:43.640 And for what?
00:22:45.300 I mean, that's the worst part of it.
00:22:46.800 And for preserving evidence, for making sure that the truth will be told, to get to the bottom of the people that basically stole our country for four years.
00:23:00.600 I mean, for that, that's why she's in prison, for basically making an image of the hard drive. 1.00
00:23:06.600 I mean, they found other pretexts and ways of calling it a crime so they can get away from the election.
00:23:11.560 So, nobody could say anything during the trial about the election.
00:23:14.780 Although, this is all grounds to get it all reversed on appeal.
00:23:20.220 But that appeal process is a process that will take a significant time, correct?
00:23:27.620 It does.
00:23:28.640 It does.
00:23:29.620 First of all, we do have a date in January where we'll be arguing to the Court of Appeals.
00:23:37.720 And then they take a long time.
00:23:39.640 They always do.
00:23:40.280 And maybe they'll act a little bit faster, but it just takes time.
00:23:44.140 But we've got really...
00:23:46.440 Peter, you're a gentleman.
00:23:48.480 You're a gentleman.
00:23:49.160 I know you don't want to mess around with the judge or anything like that.
00:23:52.100 But isn't the reality, Tina Peters is a political prisoner and has been used by the Secretary of State there as a political prop. 0.98
00:24:02.500 And that Polis, the governor, is going to run for president and he needs to be able to point that Tina Peters, who tried to show that the 2020 election was stolen and had all this evidence and preserved the evidence as she should, is going to be his exhibit one for all the crazy political lefties that are Trump haters, that have Trump derangement syndrome. 0.99
00:24:23.580 That separates him out from the pack so that you're fighting uphill no matter what your legal arguments are.
00:24:29.740 In Colorado, we see how corrupt it is, not just at the governmental level, but also at the court level and even the prosecutor level.
00:24:36.900 What's happened to Tina Peters is outrageous.
00:24:39.320 And you sit there stunned that it could happen in the United States of America, sir.
00:24:42.440 I don't disagree with you at all on what you're saying.
00:24:47.060 And I may be a gentleman, but I know when somebody's pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining out, you've got a judge, Judge Barrett.
00:24:57.280 He was just horrible.
00:24:59.020 I mean, he called her a charlatan twice while she was being sentenced.
00:25:07.420 I mean, how could he say such things?
00:25:09.840 Don't forget, she didn't testify, right?
00:25:12.760 So it's not, and he calls her a liar.
00:25:15.960 I mean, this guy, this guy is just part of the left.
00:25:19.920 What can I tell you?
00:25:20.800 And doing exactly what the enemies of the United States wants them to do.
00:25:25.160 I've encouraged people at the Department of Justice to start looking at some of the judges that acted in outrageous ways.
00:25:31.960 And I'm hoping that these judges get charged for whatever conspiracy they're part of where they are.
00:25:39.100 They know, you know, in some cases you might have a judge that swept into it, may believe, honestly, that these people are doing something wrong and so on.
00:25:52.120 But look at what happened to the J6 defendants. 1.00
00:25:54.420 Look at those federal court judges.
00:25:55.840 Somebody needs to look into the ones that knew that they were doing something wrong.
00:26:01.660 There's no way in the world, for instance, that a judge can say in front of an impaneled jury before opening statements and look at an accused and say to that defendant, say,
00:26:14.480 you are an insurrectionist, you know, you're trying to destroy this company, you're guilty of killing five police officers, and you're guilty.
00:26:24.580 And then expect the jury to be fair.
00:26:26.660 I mean, they know how wrong that is.
00:26:29.020 There's nobody that's gotten through law school that doesn't know how wrong that is.
00:26:33.060 So if they're doing something so wrong that they have to know that they're out of bounds, they should be prosecuted.
00:26:40.720 And I'm pushing for that.
00:26:41.900 Peter, hang on for a second.
00:26:43.640 I want to get into all that, the push for the prosecutions.
00:26:47.260 Also, Peter's got some very big breaking news on the Tina Peters situation of going on offense.
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00:34:49.920 Brother Tickton, Tina Peters is a fighter, and she hired a fighter.
00:34:56.640 You've got a different theory of the case.
00:34:59.260 What are you working on right now about a party?
00:35:01.240 Because quite frankly, I thought the president and anybody associated at the federal level is dialed out.
00:35:07.180 This is a state deal, and Polis is using her as a prop for running for the presidency in 2028, sir.
00:35:16.100 Yeah, obviously she's being used for political purpose and says, you know, what's going on here is, as you said before, she is a hostage. 0.87
00:35:27.340 She's a political prison. 1.00
00:35:28.920 Nothing less than that.
00:35:30.540 In America today.
00:35:32.980 So, okay, so what's my new idea?
00:35:35.620 All right.
00:35:36.000 I mean, we're still going ahead with everything we're doing.
00:35:38.240 We still have our appeal going in the state court.
00:35:40.500 We still have our petition for writ of habeas corpus.
00:35:42.960 And please, I'm hoping the judge gives us a decision sooner than later.
00:35:49.140 It was going to be one week, and now we're over five weeks.
00:35:52.040 So I'm hoping we get that from the magistrate judge, who seems to be a fair guy.
00:35:56.480 Hopefully it's going to be the right decision.
00:36:00.700 We've attempted to get her put into federal custody. 0.58
00:36:04.760 They think that this is a sham.
00:36:06.360 The governor's office basically believes that we're just doing that so we can release her, which would destroy the entire program.
00:36:15.720 You know, that would be a stupid thing to do.
00:36:18.060 You know, the federal government is on a regular basis getting state prisoners to be removed and put into their custody so they can deal with federal crimes and investigations that are federal.
00:36:31.920 If they start using that as a trick to free somebody, they're going to destroy the whole system.
00:36:37.680 It's not what's intended by anybody.
00:36:40.600 It takes a crooked mind to think other people are crooked.
00:36:43.640 And that's what we're hearing from these people.
00:36:46.380 So, you know, let me just tell you what the Constitution says.
00:36:51.160 I'm not going to read a lot.
00:36:52.200 I'm just going to show you.
00:36:53.020 It says he, meaning the president, shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except for cases of impeachment.
00:37:04.820 So cases against the United States or offenses, rather, against the United States.
00:37:10.940 One would think that that would mean federal.
00:37:15.580 Right.
00:37:16.180 I mean, if it's against the United States, the United States is the federal government.
00:37:19.440 And and for a while I was thinking that.
00:37:23.800 But a couple of weeks ago on a flight, I watched the movie Lincoln.
00:37:27.580 I had seen it before, but I figured, you know, let me.
00:37:31.340 Nothing else look good.
00:37:33.880 And there they they read at the end, the 13th Amendment.
00:37:41.320 And 13th Amendment is very short.
00:37:43.240 It says, neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime, whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
00:37:59.660 So let me just take out the exception part to make it easier to understand.
00:38:02.880 Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist within the United States.
00:38:09.880 And when I say United States, of course, you're thinking about the federal government, the country.
00:38:15.740 It.
00:38:17.700 Right.
00:38:18.160 We live in the United States.
00:38:19.240 It is a country.
00:38:21.820 But they until after when this was this was read at the end of the movie, it reminded me of something that I had learned long ago,
00:38:30.000 which was that until after the Civil War, when people referred to the United States, they always saw it as a there or a they.
00:38:42.840 And this amendment, when I heard it, it reminded me of that exists within the United States or any place subject to their jurisdiction, not its jurisdiction.
00:38:51.640 So when they speak of the United States in the Constitution, they're speaking of the states.
00:39:00.860 So, again, what did this say?
00:39:04.160 The president shall have the power to grant pardons for offenses against the United States.
00:39:09.680 But at that point in time, they were talking about the states.
00:39:14.960 Even in the Constitution itself, not just the amendment that was at the end of the Civil War.
00:39:19.900 But in Article 3, Section 3, it says treason against the United States shall consist only of levying war against them, against them, against the states.
00:39:39.680 Or in adhering to their enemies, not its enemies.
00:39:46.740 So when the Constitution speaks of the United States in terms of the power of pardon, they're speaking of the states and the crimes that are done against the states,
00:40:01.940 as well as any that would be against the federal government.
00:40:05.220 And believe it or not, this question has never come up in jurisprudence.
00:40:11.360 There's no cases on this.
00:40:14.640 And things that we did look up that deal with this are basically supportive of this.
00:40:24.280 There's nothing that says that this isn't the way the law should be interpreted.
00:40:28.060 Because you have to look at what was meant by the founders.
00:40:32.840 And fortunately, we have a court that has a majority that isn't looking to make new law.
00:40:38.740 They look to what was discovered, what the founders had found or were thinking.
00:40:45.420 So, you know, think of it this way.
00:40:49.440 Let's just say a bunch of countries in South America get together.
00:40:53.340 Bolivia, Colombia, whatever.
00:40:55.120 A bunch of countries.
00:40:56.460 And they make a union between them.
00:40:58.360 And they say, you know what we're going to do?
00:40:59.580 We're going to have a really strong union.
00:41:01.060 Like the European Union.
00:41:02.120 When you think about the European Union and you start talking about that union is going
00:41:07.800 to do this or that, you might be thinking of the individual countries.
00:41:11.100 So let's just say they called it the United States of South America.
00:41:16.080 All right.
00:41:16.340 And they said, you know, when they would talk about the United States, or not the United
00:41:20.760 States, but let's call it the United Countries.
00:41:23.980 Because a state is a country.
00:41:25.560 We were 13 colonies that turned into 13 different individual countries, 13 different states that
00:41:35.000 got united.
00:41:36.940 So when you look at the Constitution and what this means is that the president does have
00:41:43.360 the right to grant pardons for crimes that are state related.
00:41:47.320 Because the only reason that people think that the president doesn't have that power is
00:41:55.460 because they're reading that offenses against the United States the way we would in the
00:42:03.560 21st century, the way we look at it now, not the way the founding, the founders would
00:42:09.840 have looked at it.
00:42:11.200 Does that make sense?
00:42:12.680 But I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but let me ask you.
00:42:17.320 If the president, if he gives a pardon today to somebody who had a federal crime, they're
00:42:24.120 either out and the pardon is kind of symbolic, but maybe it takes away the penalties they
00:42:27.960 got to pay, et cetera.
00:42:29.060 Or they're under the custody of the Bureau of Prisons, which reports it's a division of
00:42:35.000 DOJ.
00:42:35.840 And he just calls, he gives a pardon and goes to DOJ.
00:42:38.640 You process it.
00:42:39.360 They go to Bureau of Prison and the guy's out like the next day, like he did for Santos. 0.92
00:42:43.980 Right here.
00:42:45.360 It's in Colorado and not just in Colorado.
00:42:49.020 Polis and these people are trying to set an example.
00:42:51.060 She's 71 years old.
00:42:52.560 She's a gold star mother. 0.59
00:42:53.860 She's had cancer.
00:42:55.120 She's in ill health.
00:42:56.400 They're torturing her to send a signal to everybody that they're powerful and MAGA is
00:43:01.840 weak, that they're powerful and Trump is weak.
00:43:04.340 They're saying we can do what we want with this woman as long as we want. 1.00
00:43:08.520 And we don't care what Peter Tickton says in his law books.
00:43:11.160 And we don't care what President Trump wanders around the Oval Office and says, and we don't
00:43:14.660 care about his true socials.
00:43:16.080 We have control.
00:43:17.200 So if you convince President Trump, hey, this is that DOJ signs off of it and he sends
00:43:21.700 it out, unfortunately, he doesn't control the Colorado prison.
00:43:26.360 So walk me through.
00:43:27.060 We got a couple of minutes.
00:43:27.900 Walk me through what happens.
00:43:29.340 Do federal authorities go to Colorado and tell the state authorities back the fuck off
00:43:34.940 because we're here to get Tina Peters, sir?
00:43:37.840 Oh, it's not going to work that way.
00:43:39.120 But you're right.
00:43:39.760 There is that problem.
00:43:40.960 Of course, they're not going to listen to us.
00:43:43.000 We're going to present the pardon.
00:43:44.600 We're going to say, release her, and they're going to tell us to go pound sand. 0.98
00:43:48.780 And we're going to basically then, well, then we'll immediately be filing a lawsuit in the
00:43:53.620 federal court in a manner that we can do it on an expedited basis.
00:43:57.460 We'd be moving for declaratory relief.
00:44:01.100 And we would then bring it right in with motions for summary judgment to get it all decided
00:44:06.540 so that the court will then decide.
00:44:09.000 This has got to go to the Supreme Court of the United States.
00:44:11.180 And we got to get it there as quickly as possible because we got this lady who's dying in prison. 0.99
00:44:17.100 Peter, the Bureau of Prisons in the federal system do prisoner transfers between state
00:44:22.800 and federal every day, right?
00:44:24.980 It is a normal course of business.
00:44:26.640 You're trying to do one here because Alex Jones is breaking.
00:44:30.540 It's all these.
00:44:31.680 Hang on.
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00:44:49.400 use the machines anymore.
00:44:50.640 The machines are now and I'm not a machine guy.
00:44:52.860 We're a mail in ballot guy.
00:44:53.940 However, everybody's talking about the machines and the corruption machines.
00:44:57.900 You're asking for a standard federal prison transfer because it's bigger case.
00:45:03.420 And they're telling you there, go pound sand when anybody else they work with, okay, you
00:45:08.440 got to stay prisoner.
00:45:09.560 It's going to be in a federal witness.
00:45:10.820 We'll do it.
00:45:12.040 They have so much state on not just Tina Peters being in prison and serving nine years, but
00:45:18.360 Tina Peters dying in prison.
00:45:21.260 This is what they want.
00:45:22.720 And you know it as better as anybody because you're working at it every day.
00:45:26.000 So what incentive does anybody have?
00:45:28.280 It's so stupid for them to want that.
00:45:31.800 And yet they do.
00:45:34.460 I mean, how could they not realize?
00:45:36.080 Why is it stupid?
00:45:36.360 No, no, no.
00:45:37.280 Why is it stupid?
00:45:38.400 They want it?
00:45:38.900 No, no.
00:45:39.680 They want to put Trump in prison.
00:45:41.300 Because it galvanizes the base.
00:45:42.000 They tried assessing.
00:45:44.940 But Peter, on their side, it galvanizes it just as much as not more.
00:45:49.560 These people are deranged.
00:45:51.480 They're sitting there with a 71-year-old woman who's a gold star mother.
00:45:55.340 It's like the vestal virgins in Rome.
00:45:58.120 It's the highest you can have in our society to have your son killed in action in defense
00:46:03.200 of their country.
00:46:03.920 And they don't care.
00:46:05.100 They just put her in solitary confinement when she's sick because some teacher went off
00:46:10.100 on her in front of a bunch of prisoners who would be unacceptable in any federal prison.
00:46:14.000 He'd be turfed out immediately.
00:46:15.640 She wouldn't be put in solitary.
00:46:17.200 He would be put up on charges.
00:46:19.160 These people are psychos.
00:46:21.200 You have a psycho governor who's deranged and polis.
00:46:24.100 You have a secretary of state who crimes are manifold.
00:46:28.360 And yet, nobody can touch him and nobody's going to go after him.
00:46:31.060 The Justice Department has to go in there and put these people on trial.
00:46:34.780 They have to take the secretary of state.
00:46:36.520 This is why we need action, action, action.
00:46:39.020 They're never going to turn over Tina Peters.
00:46:41.240 Tina, this is now a cause celeb on the left to hold her and to make sure she's miserable, 0.89
00:46:46.940 she's tortured, and she dies in prison, sir.
00:46:49.800 Maybe we need to do what Eisenhower did in Mississippi.
00:46:53.200 Maybe that's the answer.
00:46:55.800 But I will tell you, sometimes I just, I live in this world where so many of these people...
00:47:02.120 Hold on, what was that? Hang on, be specific.
00:47:03.700 Be specific.
00:47:04.920 When you said Eisenhower in Mississippi, what are you talking about?
00:47:07.300 Well, there was a point in time where Governor Wallace in Mississippi was not allowing black students,
00:47:16.220 pupils to go into the white schools.
00:47:20.440 And Wallace National...
00:47:23.300 Are you calling, hang on, are you calling for the 80s?
00:47:26.900 I think in Arkansas against the governor there, he's sending in the 101st Airborne.
00:47:32.100 Are you saying that you believe the president should call out the 101st Airborne?
00:47:35.900 They should go to her prison in Colorado and say, hey, boys, the pros from Dover here, back off. 0.84
00:47:42.700 We're taking Tina Peters and we're going to take her today.
00:47:44.820 Because this audience would 1 million percent back you, back the Justice Department, back the Secretary of War, back the President of the United States if we did that tomorrow morning.
00:47:55.120 And that's the type of thing it's going to take.
00:47:56.980 Well, these are my thoughts.
00:48:01.880 You know, look, the president has a lot of things to think about and a lot of things he needs to weigh.
00:48:06.460 You know, just at the verge of, well, he's going to be going into Venezuela or while he's talking peace in China.
00:48:11.820 Whatever he's doing, there's, you know, it's not that easy to necessarily do that.
00:48:16.800 But do I think that it should be done?
00:48:19.500 For who I am, yeah, I'd love to see that happen.
00:48:23.880 I'd love to be able to...
00:48:25.380 We spent nine months...
00:48:26.420 We spent nine months, and we spent nine months, and they worked every day to get the hostages out of Israel. 0.79
00:48:33.860 And everybody supported that.
00:48:35.160 You've got to do that.
00:48:36.400 But for this audience, a higher priority is the hostage of Tina Peters in Colorado.
00:48:42.060 Okay?
00:48:42.460 We spent, we moved heaven and earth to get the hostages back, and thank God we did, particularly over this Thanksgiving weekend.
00:48:48.680 But Tina Peters is as high a priority as the hostages in Israel that Hamas took.
00:48:55.600 Look, she's that high. 1.00
00:48:56.840 This is an innocent woman that sat there. 1.00
00:48:59.580 As you said at the beginning, the election was stolen.
00:49:02.300 Everybody knows that.
00:49:03.560 They know that.
00:49:04.680 This horrible crime that we don't seem to be able to get organized enough to go.
00:49:08.420 And you're working your tail off.
00:49:10.100 But conventional methods are not going to work here.
00:49:13.720 They're just going to say, fob us on.
00:49:15.380 Because they think we're weak, and they think we're unfocused.
00:49:19.340 If I can get a judge to agree with me that she should be released, whether it's by habeas corpus, which we're already doing, we're just waiting for that decision from the judge.
00:49:28.900 If I get, if she is to be released, and we have a federal court judge saying that she needs to be released, believe me, they're going to either release her or there will be something.
00:49:39.560 There will be marshals, at least, knocking on their door and requiring that she be released. 0.99
00:49:44.720 It's going to happen once we get that order.
00:49:47.660 And we did have that order for Eisenhower.
00:49:50.900 But meanwhile, what you're saying is so true.
00:49:56.520 Sometimes I don't even know what's going on in the world.
00:49:59.100 Sometimes I think I'm standing in the movie Matrix, and I got all these people that are asleep on beds all around me.
00:50:07.400 And somehow I woke up and pulled my tubes out.
00:50:09.800 And then I find people like you and other people that are like people in your audience that are seeing reality.
00:50:17.220 Because when you say that they stole the election, they didn't just steal the election.
00:50:22.600 They took over our country for four years and did whatever they could to destroy it. 1.00
00:50:27.040 When did it ever become a good idea to open the southern border?
00:50:30.740 When did it, I mean, all of their ideas, all of their craziness and what they were doing.
00:50:34.920 The weaponization that I have seen since I started doing these pardons, it's all over the United States.
00:50:42.160 It's pervasive what they were doing.
00:50:44.020 They went after upper middle class people.
00:50:45.900 They went after police officers.
00:50:48.160 They went after doctors that were in favor of ivermectin.
00:50:51.460 They went after different targets.
00:50:54.720 And believe me, if we had a Kamala Harris as president right now, they'd be picking us up by the truckloads.
00:51:03.340 Can you, we got to bounce.
00:51:05.260 Where do you go for the Tina Peters fund? 0.69
00:51:07.480 Where do they go to your social media?
00:51:08.820 You're fighting the good fights, sir.
00:51:10.080 Where do they go?
00:51:10.560 People want to support you.
00:51:12.240 Okay.
00:51:12.680 I'm at LegalBrains.com.
00:51:14.820 Okay.
00:51:15.140 Plain and simple.
00:51:18.120 LegalBrains.com.
00:51:20.300 For Tina Peters, it's Tina...
00:51:22.000 Go ahead.
00:51:25.700 For Tina Peters, it's TinaPeters.us.
00:51:30.780 Please go there.
00:51:32.320 Please make a donation.
00:51:34.240 Everybody go there tonight.
00:51:35.920 And, Peter, I'm going to have you on very, very shortly.
00:51:39.400 We're going to drill down on some more.
00:51:41.340 I love Tickton's solution.
00:51:45.100 Send in the 101st Airborne.
00:51:47.640 We freed the hostages in Israel.
00:51:50.160 It's time to free her.
00:51:51.080 And for the guys negotiating the Ukraine deal, I don't want to hear about the sovereignty of Ukraine until we have the sovereignty of the United States of America.
00:51:58.460 And center of that is freeing a 71-year-old gold star mother from these corrupt demons and devils in the state of Colorado.
00:52:07.940 We'll see you tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
00:52:10.980 When you will be back in the war room.
00:52:13.060 We'll see you tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.