Bannon's War Room - December 09, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 906： Bankruptcy Of Germany; Explosion Of Islam And Infiltration Of The West; Convert Fight Or Die


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Beatrice Van Storch and Raymond Ibrahim join Stephen Kamb on the show to talk about the rise of Alternative for Deutschland (AFD) and what it means for the future of Europe and the world.

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies,
00:00:09.000 because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 Here's one time I got a free shot
00:00:14.000 at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 Mega Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul,
00:00:31.000 I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000 Ask yourself,
00:00:35.000 what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country,
00:00:41.000 this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room.
00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:00:52.000 It's Monday, 8 December in the year of our Lord, 2025.
00:00:55.000 Thank you for sticking around for the early evening edition of the War Room.
00:01:01.000 I want to thank you.
00:01:02.000 I've got two of my favorite people on today.
00:01:04.000 Beatrice Van Storch, one of the leaders of Alternative for Deutschland.
00:01:09.000 She's one of the great, I think, heroes in the world today.
00:01:12.000 What she's done and what they've tried to do to her and destroy her.
00:01:16.000 The cut of her jib is like President Trump, a fighter, and like the war in Posse. 0.99
00:01:23.000 Also, Raymond Ibrahim, the author of so many great books.
00:01:28.000 Now his third one's out about the warrior monks.
00:01:31.000 He's a Coptic Christian from Egypt.
00:01:35.000 And he's written about the West and its fight against radical Islam and the rise of Islam. 0.83
00:01:42.000 And they've been amazing.
00:01:43.000 He's going to be on here.
00:01:44.000 And I wanted to have them both on together because this topic's kind of inextricably linked.
00:01:47.000 So Beatrice, I was able just to tee it up in the morning show to kind of say,
00:01:51.000 hey, Beatrice is going to be on here at six o'clock. 0.97
00:01:53.000 The Washington Post did an article this weekend that talked about using democratic means to take down a party that leads in the polls in Germany as the alternative for Germany.
00:02:10.000 All the other political parties kind of talk about taxes.
00:02:16.000 But they don't ever talk about taking the sovereignty back and fighting for German values and fighting to make sure that you don't turn into a country overwhelmed by Islam, 0.96
00:02:25.000 where all your other elites have kind of turned on the German people over the last decade or so to allow this.
00:02:32.000 You don't strike me as a radical.
00:02:34.000 I've known you for a long time.
00:02:36.000 You're one of the most religious people I know.
00:02:39.000 You're one of the nicest people I know.
00:02:41.000 You're a very sweet person, very kind-hearted.
00:02:44.000 The Washington Post makes you out as Goebbels.
00:02:49.000 What is going on here?
00:02:51.000 How can they attack a party that your basic premise is that, and particularly it's strongest in the East,
00:02:57.000 that was under the boot of communism for so long that people are really thirsting for freedom.
00:03:02.000 How can they say that they need to do this and they need to take the moral high ground?
00:03:08.000 They do take the moral high ground to do it because you represent the beginning of Nazism and its return to the German people, ma'am. 0.99
00:03:18.000 Yes, I think this is what we see in the Western world at the very moment.
00:03:21.000 All the Western democracies are under pressure by far left-wing extremists in joint forces with Islamists or Muslims. 0.93
00:03:31.000 And this is a very huge danger for all of us in the Western Hemisphere.
00:03:36.000 And I think it has been very, very carefully and intelligently being addressed in the national security strategy, which we have all been reading for the past few days.
00:03:48.000 And I think this has to be pointed out. We have to stick together and we have to fight this fight together.
00:03:55.000 It's a global fight. It's not only happening in Germany, but of course, for Europe, it's of center interest that AFD keeps on going and that we shift policy here.
00:04:05.000 Because if that's without AFD, the policy will always keep on the left-wing track.
00:04:11.000 It will destroy our economy. It will destroy our culture. It will destroy our civilization in the end.
00:04:18.000 And so there's a deep need and a deep desire by the people that policy is going to a different direction.
00:04:26.000 And this is the same case. We see that in France. We see that in the UK.
00:04:31.000 And I think we really have to push forward and to work together.
00:04:35.000 This is what we are trying. And I think the MAGA movement is a movement which is very, of course, focused on American interest.
00:04:43.000 But it's also an American interest to have this kind of MAGA movement and their allies in the Western world.
00:04:50.000 And this is why we're trying to work together. I think that's the solution.
00:04:55.000 But Beatrice, you mentioned, and Raymond's on here too. I'm going to talk to him about it.
00:04:59.000 The timing of this is perfect because the president, they dropped on Friday or Thursday night, Friday morning, the national security,
00:05:07.000 basically the architecture, which next week they're going to lay out our military strategy around this, but the architecture.
00:05:13.000 And what was shocking is that Europe was on page 29 or 33. It came after hemispheric defense. It came after Asia.
00:05:21.000 It came after the Middle East. And the opening pair, it was shocking. 0.54
00:05:24.000 It said that you're seeing civilizational erasure. You're seeing the collapse of a civilization.
00:05:32.000 And we're not so sure in 20 or 30 years we'll even be dealing with the kind of freedoms our people have thought of from the Judeo-Christian West for so long.
00:05:46.000 It could be totally different. I mean, it was one of the most brutal paragraphs I've ever seen about people that have been our strategic partners for so long.
00:05:54.000 And really implied that we've got the back and we're looking for new voices to come up and actually help take these countries back and get them back on track.
00:06:04.000 It screamed to me that alternative for Deutschland is one of the leading parties to do that.
00:06:10.000 Because what you're saying essentially is that we want to return sovereignty to the German people and we want to save our culture.
00:06:16.000 We want to save our civilization. We want to save our society.
00:06:20.000 What say you, ma'am?
00:06:22.000 I think this is perfectly right. And I think we have to play offense.
00:06:28.000 And I remember Charlie Kirk once saying there are not so many people playing offense.
00:06:32.000 He named you specifically, Steve, playing offense and some others, few others.
00:06:37.000 And playing offense in Germany is done by AFD. We have to push for a different policy agenda in all major areas.
00:06:47.000 First, migration, economy, the Vogue ideology. This is all we have to push back.
00:06:53.000 And this goes against the left ideology. And so it's a huge fight.
00:06:59.000 And I think this has also been very clearly addressed in this in this national security strategy that we have to keep our force.
00:07:08.000 And this means first and first and first of all, we have to keep our culture.
00:07:14.000 We have to keep basically we have to keep our faith and we have to we have to stick together as Christian nations and make sure that we are not losing our identity.
00:07:26.000 And everything else comes next. And we see this decline very, very, very hard in Germany as well.
00:07:33.000 I don't know whether you're aware of those Christmas markets which has been under attack in Brussels.
00:07:38.000 Well, same thing just happened yesterday in Berlin. So, you know, Syrian asylum seekers celebrating the one year defeat of Assad in Berlin.
00:07:50.000 They fled Assad, but still they are in Berlin. And we wonder why, because Assad is gone.
00:07:58.000 So they should be going back to their home countries. But no, they are attacking our Christmas markets.
00:08:04.000 They are celebrating it. It's dangerous. Everyone can see it.
00:08:07.000 And so it's about our identity and everything else comes comes afterwards.
00:08:13.000 It's economy and then it comes to our, you know, national security.
00:08:17.000 I want to in reading the article and Grace and Mo and I know the team here in Denver are pushing this out.
00:08:23.000 I want everybody to and let's make it available so that they can get behind the paywall.
00:08:28.000 One of the things is most shocking and we want people every day on the show during the Biden years.
00:08:34.000 But we keep saying if President Trump, we lose the midterms or President Trump's not around.
00:08:39.000 The same thing will come back to haunt us. What's stunning about the article is the degree that the German elites in the German deep state and national security state went out of their way to infiltrate you guys.
00:08:54.000 They just couldn't let you evolve naturally. They went out of their way to destroy you.
00:08:58.000 But most of the negative stuff is from informants or people they actually paid and put in to your operation.
00:09:05.000 Can you give us a second? And what's the warning you have to people in America about this, about the way the deep state rolls?
00:09:11.000 Well, if the deep state is able to ban the biggest opposition party in Germany, that can be done everywhere else.
00:09:23.000 And the United States will lose an ally, will lose the biggest still power in Europe, and then Europe will be failing Europe.
00:09:35.000 And so I think this is not in your interest as well. I think we really have to focus on what is best for our people and what is best for our countries.
00:09:46.000 And we have to really fight to keep our freedom and to keep our democracy.
00:09:53.000 We want to keep our democracy, basically. And they are saying we want to overthrow democracy, which is just a lie.
00:10:01.000 That's fake news. They know it. And they are getting very, very nervous.
00:10:06.000 Because what we will see next year, we will have very important regional elections in March.
00:10:12.000 And we will see AFD winning the elections, coming in maybe not first, but second very, very strong.
00:10:22.000 And that will put even more pressure on the German government. And as they are running out of concepts, out of ideas, they cannot take a different direction in their policy.
00:10:35.000 So the only idea they come up with is banning the opposition party.
00:10:39.000 So it really gets very, very dangerous. And I think we have but still a chance even to change Europe.
00:10:46.000 Because look, it's not only Germany where AFD is rising.
00:10:51.000 I'm very hopeful for France. Marine Le Pen or Jordan Badera, they are both leading the polls for the presidential election in France.
00:11:00.000 And our common friend, Nigel Farage, Mr. Brexit, is about to be the next prime minister for UK.
00:11:09.000 So even within Europe, there is hope. Something can change.
00:11:13.000 But we have to make sure that the deep state is not stopping it, particularly in Germany.
00:11:19.000 Last question. We've got to bounce. I know you do, too, and I want to thank you for sticking around.
00:11:24.000 If Alternative for Deutschland doesn't actually take power in the not-too-distant future, by democratic means, at the ballot box,
00:11:33.000 to basically set Germany on a different direction, to take its civilization and culture back, 0.78
00:11:38.000 how long is it, do you believe, under the current German elites, that Germany is really, the culture of Germany is gone and you really become an Islamist state, ma'am?
00:11:51.000 Well, I think it was outlined in the national security strategy that is maybe not even 20 years,
00:11:59.000 and I would say that's very optimistic that it will last so long.
00:12:03.000 We can see it everywhere, in every village, in every city, our Stadtbild, as the chancellor was calling it.
00:12:10.000 So walking in the streets, you can see in the city that something is changing dramatically.
00:12:17.000 And when it comes to economy, we're basically bankrupt.
00:12:20.000 They are trying, you know, to put debt on debt on debt, but we don't even know how to pay the interest for the debts we already have.
00:12:28.000 So Germany is facing a severe crisis, energy crisis, crisis of the economy.
00:12:36.000 And this has a dramatic impact on all of the country.
00:12:41.000 Our industry is just fading away.
00:12:44.000 We're losing 10,000 jobs every month.
00:12:49.000 And so it's really getting very, very difficult.
00:12:54.000 I'm not sure if everyone here listening does believe that Germany is in such a bad shape.
00:13:01.000 But I can promise you, you will understand in only a few months to go.
00:13:07.000 You will realize that Germany has the biggest of all problems in Europe.
00:13:12.000 And this can only be solved by a different direction of politics.
00:13:20.000 We have to stop going to the left and we have to turn and might make a right turn to the right.
00:13:27.000 And that is only possible with AFD in government.
00:13:30.000 And when AFD will be banned, there is only, and for the future, we only have left-winged and far-left majorities in our parliaments.
00:13:44.000 You have to be very, very aware that this will happen.
00:13:48.000 Because once AFD is banned, the people will not vote CDU.
00:13:53.000 And CDU is always going into coalition with the left and the far-left.
00:13:59.000 And this is what's upcoming.
00:14:01.000 And this will have a very bad impact, a huge impact on all of Europe and then on NATO.
00:14:08.000 So we should take that very serious.
00:14:11.000 We do take it very seriously.
00:14:13.000 We cover you guys a lot.
00:14:14.000 We talk about the German economy a lot, particularly energy.
00:14:16.000 These are all self-imposed problems the German elite brought on the German people. 0.95
00:14:22.000 Beatrice, what's your social media?
00:14:23.000 Where do they go to find out more about Alternative for Deutschland, ma'am?
00:14:29.000 They can find me under my name Beatrix von Storch, basically everywhere on X, on Instagram, on Facebook.
00:14:38.000 Just look for my name.
00:14:41.000 Beatrice, thank you so much for joining us.
00:14:44.000 Very, very, very illuminating.
00:14:46.000 Thank you, ma'am.
00:14:47.000 Appreciate you.
00:14:48.000 Appreciate everybody.
00:14:49.000 Thank you, Steve.
00:14:50.000 Everybody at AFD.
00:14:51.000 The War Room's always got their back and we're always a platform for it.
00:14:54.000 We love you guys.
00:14:55.000 Real heroes.
00:14:57.000 Raymond.
00:14:58.000 Sir.
00:15:01.000 By the way, this is why you can't do a deal with Ukraine and including Germany. 0.64
00:15:06.000 I mean, the national security.
00:15:08.000 Raymond, when it came in on Thursday night, I said we got Raymond on.
00:15:11.000 It's like, it's like Raymond wrote this.
00:15:15.000 Sir, you've seen the strategy paper of President Trump when he talks about Western Europe, the erasure of their civilization in 20 years.
00:15:24.000 One of the senior people in AFD just agreed that this, the collapse and maybe turn in.
00:15:30.000 You said, hey, it's optimistic 20 years if we don't come to power.
00:15:33.000 You've spent your professional life writing these three series of books over the last, what, eight, nine, ten years that talk about when the West has had to confront this before.
00:15:43.000 And the West won, but it has to be confronted.
00:15:46.000 Talk to me about this period of time.
00:15:48.000 We're going to go back to your books.
00:15:49.000 But as you drop your third book in the series, here in the Christmas season, the President of the United States lays out a strategy that essentially says everything that you've been telling your audience is absolutely 100% true in modern times, sir.
00:16:06.000 That's right, Steve.
00:16:08.000 You know, listening to Beatrix right now, it's just amazing because as I think of the past and what I write about in the history that we will be discussing, it's just, it's hard to overlook the fact that the fundamental problem, the big difference now, is that the West is doing everything to enable and empower its enemies, including domestically bringing them in to terrorize them, because that's the fundamental difference when you look at the past and the present.
00:16:33.000 Islam has not changed. 0.99
00:16:34.000 Islam has not changed. 0.99
00:16:35.000 The Muslim modus operandi has not changed. 1.00
00:16:37.000 It's always been consistent.
00:16:39.000 It's always been upfront and open.
00:16:41.000 And it's been about conquest.
00:16:43.000 And so when you look at the history, that's which we'll talk about, you'll see that.
00:16:48.000 But the differences back then, everyone in Europe, you know, from the warrior monk Christians to the most secularized whoever politician in that context, all understood the danger, all stood collectively against it, all fought against it.
00:17:04.000 And, and this is at a time when Islam was actually very powerful compared vis-a-vis to the, to Europe.
00:17:10.000 And then, you know, you fast forward to our times.
00:17:13.000 And, you know, Islam is inherently weak. 1.00
00:17:16.000 Okay.
00:17:17.000 But Western powers are empowering it, bringing it into their countries, making sure nobody can say anything against it, imprisoning their own native populations because they speak up or complain because they're being terrorized, and just do everything possible.
00:17:31.000 So I think it's just amazing and mind boggling to see how different things are, you know, the consistency of Islam on the one hand, the continuity, and then on the other hand, you know, the Western sort of suicidal response that has gone from standing up and fighting, doing what needs to be done, to actually confronting a much weaker Islam, but still being terrorized by it, because you're allowing it to terrorize your people. 0.97
00:17:55.000 So that's, you know, that's, I think we have to start there.
00:17:59.000 That's the first premise, really.
00:18:01.000 I want to go through the arc of the, of the, and this is third in the series.
00:18:05.000 Sword and scimitar is the first and lays out the whole thing of the combative nature.
00:18:09.000 Then you actually take examples, defenders of the West, you actually take biographical of, of, of, of, of men who really stood in the breach at critical times and the big battles and what happened.
00:18:22.000 And now you're actually going and taking the warrior monks, these two, the Templars and the, and the St. John hospitaliers that really fought in the middle of this.
00:18:32.000 Why don't we just do the arc of it?
00:18:34.000 What were the three books and what ties them together?
00:18:37.000 And why did you write them in this series?
00:18:39.000 Sure, Steve, the first one, like you said, a sword and scimitar came out in 2008, 20,000, 2018.
00:18:46.000 And that one was really a continuation of my academic studies back in the day under Victor Davis Hanson, you know, in the early, late nineties, my master's thesis was actually the first battle between Islam and the West, the battle of Yarmouk, which formed chapter one of sword and scimitar.
00:19:02.000 But I've always been interested in, you know, we've all, we, we all grow up in the modern era hearing about the great, you know, the advancement of Islam and Andalusia and how backwards the West was and et cetera, et cetera.
00:19:15.000 So I've always been very much interested in studying the actual military history.
00:19:18.000 And then you, lo and behold, you find out that is what dominates the real history between, and the interactions between Islam and the West or Christendom at the time.
00:19:26.000 And so sword and scimitar, what I wanted to do is really look at all the decisive battles that have completely changed the face of the globe, especially the old world, east of the Atlantic, that maybe many people are unaware of due to all the entrenched, you know, narratives that academia foists on people, which is why everyone who reads starting with sword and scimitar, the first response is, oh, I thought I was educated.
00:19:51.260 I thought I had a degree in history and I didn't know any of this.
00:19:54.260 Okay. So you come to learn, for example, that in the seventh century, Islam explodes and conquers essentially three quarters of Christendom. 0.98
00:20:01.260 You know, what we'd now today glibly refer to as the heart of the Islamic world from the Middle East, you know, from Morocco all the way to Iraq, North Africa and the Middle East, and later Turkey or Anatolia, all of that, of course, was the heart of the Christian world.
00:20:16.160 And it was violently annexed in one century after the death of Muhammad and until 732, now they're in France at the Battle of Tours.
00:20:23.760 So I think I showed how persistent Islam was. I have a nice important quote from Hilaire Belloc, 19th century, died in 20th century historian, very insightful, who basically says, Islam is our most persistent and formidable enemy and may explode at any time. 0.99
00:20:40.580 And he wrote that, I think, around 1928, when Islam was at its nadir, its absolute weakest vis-a-vis the West at the time.
00:20:48.580 This is the colonial era. And, you know, he predicted it. And lo and behold, here it is again, right? Islam has exploded. 1.00
00:20:55.400 So that was the purpose of the sword and scimitar. And it really went century after century.
00:21:01.520 You know, and what's interesting to me and what I think the book shows is the unwavering continuity of hostility.
00:21:08.400 And so you see from the very first chapter, the Battle of Yarmouk in 636 AD, the rationale that the Muslims gave to the Eastern Roman Empire, the Byzantines during that battle, was you're an infidel. 0.74
00:21:20.320 Our Koran says to fight you, enslave you, et cetera, et cetera, give you the three options, convert, fight or die. 0.98
00:21:26.260 And you fast forward, the last real battle I cover is the first Barbary War and the second, right around 1800 to 1815.
00:21:35.540 And you find the same exact rationale at work. Thomas Jefferson, you know, this great luminary, enlightenment luminary, who didn't really understand Islam.
00:21:45.120 You know, the Muslims of Barbary, North Africa, had now been attacking American sailor vessels, enslaving American soldiers. 0.99
00:21:52.960 And so Jefferson and Adams, John Adams, met with the ambassador from, I believe, Tripoli, Abdul something.
00:22:01.000 It's in my book. And they asked him, why are you attacking us? Why don't we get along? Why don't we trade, et cetera?
00:22:07.060 And this guy, in Thomas Jefferson's extant letter, we still have to Congress, he explains how this man told him, you know what?
00:22:14.080 It's in our, it's in our Koran, our God, our prophet, tell us you're the enemy, we have to attack you, we have to plunder you, and enslave you, okay? 1.00
00:22:21.740 And, and, and of course, Thomas Jefferson didn't get that at the time.
00:22:25.200 But so I just, I think that's the lesson of sword and scimitar, which is how unwavering this violence has been.
00:22:30.880 It's never stopped. It's always, it's blown up in certain areas at certain times.
00:22:35.680 There were the Arab conquests, then you had what happened in Spain, which was a microcosm of jihad and crusade, or reconquista.
00:22:42.080 Reconquista, then you have the Holy Land, which people are familiar with, but it really goes much more than that.
00:22:46.760 You have the Ottomans and the Seljuks, and then you have the Tatars or the Mongols who became Islamic and conquered Russia in the Eastern Slavic nations. 0.89
00:22:55.160 And the whole nine yards of Islamic persecution of Christians is evident in that chapter as well. 0.61
00:23:02.280 Slave raids all the way up into Ireland and Scandinavia and having an actual base off of England where they would raid and bring slaves back to North Africa.
00:23:12.080 So it's a very deep history that most people are unaware of for political reasons, obviously.
00:23:17.580 And that's, yeah, so that was the whole purpose of sword and scimitar.
00:23:21.000 But before I continue with the other books, I'll leave it there.
00:23:24.760 No, no, no. Let's go to, let's go to, that's perfect.
00:23:26.920 Let's go to, then Defenders of the West, you go back and you highlight the personages in the West that have actually stood in the breach and say no.
00:23:36.100 And some of them are tragic stories, some heroic stories.
00:23:38.660 Tell me about Defenders of the West.
00:23:40.600 Sure. So Defenders of the West, that's the next one.
00:23:42.840 The follow-up came out in 2022.
00:23:44.640 And as I say in that book, whereas sword and scimitar, what I had, what I did is focused on eight decisive battles that really changed the face of the old world.
00:23:53.720 So in Defenders of the West, I looked at eight decisive men.
00:23:57.360 And so the lesson really, it was, it's, I cover the same terrain more or less, but now it's through the eyes and the lives of various heroes, military Christian heroes.
00:24:07.600 Okay. And, you know, the first one is Godfrey in chapter one of the first crusade.
00:24:13.720 And we go all the way down to Vlad the Impaler, which is a shocker to most people that Count Dracula is actually a Christian hero.
00:24:20.200 But if you look again in the sources, that's exactly how he comes off.
00:24:23.880 And that's, that was his interest is defending, you know, his people against Islamic aggression. 0.93
00:24:29.440 So the whole point, I think, in Defenders of the West, and a lot of people like it, is I think it's a little more, where a sword and scimitar is more factual and you'll get the grand overlay.
00:24:39.360 Defenders of the West is now, you know, more particular and it's more biographical.
00:24:43.300 So it's eight chapters, mini chapters of these various heroes and defenders and warriors and how they actually approach the Islamic menace. 0.99
00:24:52.700 And I think it's very, and this one really underscores the difference between what you just heard from Beatrice in Germany and whatnot.
00:25:01.260 And what's, what, how, how historically Christians and Europeans responded to this menace.
00:25:08.320 Okay. They got it.
00:25:09.980 They got it. And these heroes got it. They stood in the breach.
00:25:12.540 We got a minute before we go to break.
00:25:14.800 The third, the third book in the series talks about the military orders of the, of the monks that fought back.
00:25:21.480 Tell me about Two Swords.
00:25:24.360 So the Two Swords of Christ, that's a new book that just came out.
00:25:27.240 And it's, it's similar to both books in the sense that it's a long history, like sword and scimitar of the fight between Christendom and Islam.
00:25:35.220 And it's similar to Defenders of the West because it's really zeros in on the heroic aspect.
00:25:39.920 But now it's not individuals. It's actually this collective organization of monks, military orders.
00:25:46.300 And really they're much different in a way than the Defenders of the West characters because they're very anonymous.
00:25:51.840 You know, they're very modest. They're the most, they're, they're essentially commando forces.
00:25:56.140 They were the backbone of the Crusades.
00:25:58.760 And what's interesting about them is the way they wed militancy with piety, which is so, and I think that's the most interesting aspect of the book to understand how Christians back then could actually be, the more pious they were, the more militant they were.
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00:31:49.340 I had a piece up there this morning about the Orthodox, Russia and the Orthodox Christian,
00:31:56.160 Byzantine, and then the Western Church.
00:31:59.160 Maybe we could come together to fight the Islamist, the secularist, the atheist, the Marxist, the 0.81
00:32:06.440 transhumanist.
00:32:07.640 It's quite a collection of enemies.
00:32:09.780 The ancient enemies since, I guess, 600 or 700 has been Islam. 1.00
00:32:14.880 First off, how are the books doing, Raymond?
00:32:19.980 They're doing really well.
00:32:22.880 The best I can do is look at Amazon.
00:32:26.140 And more or less, if you look at especially early Christian history, they pretty much dominate the first three, the free best-selling spots.
00:32:34.720 So last I looked, Two Swords of Christ was number one.
00:32:37.040 I think Defenders was number two.
00:32:39.420 And okay, yeah, that's probably the most recent one.
00:32:42.000 And Sword of the Scimitar is number four.
00:32:44.420 But they keep fluctuating.
00:32:46.260 But Two Swords of Christ has been at number one since basically it came, actually before it came out, which is great.
00:32:51.500 I think, you know, the appeal of the Two Swords of Christ is you're just—it's not just the history, but it's an explanation of the theological underpinning of Christian militancy, which I think is a very important topic that a lot of people would prefer not to hear.
00:33:08.040 Tell me about it, because you would think today monks, you know, you hear about St. Francis of Assisi, and you hear about this really, these passive, very powerful spiritual warriors, but it wasn't the church militant.
00:33:22.880 Tell me about today, because you have a rise to this, particularly this younger generation of men that are saying, hey, look, I'm a Christian, but I'm not going to be passive about it.
00:33:32.920 I'm going to be militant about it.
00:33:34.160 What are these two monastic orders?
00:33:36.560 Tell us about that, sir.
00:33:38.560 Sure, and I'll just start off by saying even people like Francis of Assisi, who are so widely seen as being passive, he was actually fully on board with the Crusades.
00:33:47.160 And I talk a little bit about it in The Two Swords of Christ, because he figures in there.
00:33:51.580 And his goals was—one of the main goals was actually instead of killing and fighting with Muslims, let's try to convert them.
00:33:57.980 And, you know, he risked his life on numerous occasions.
00:34:00.140 But he was fully on board with the idea of a military order and a monk who fights war.
00:34:06.600 And so I think the issue—you know, Steve, I've been given this much thought, but what's going on now, I think, with Western Christianity, and I think this is the inherent problem, is that no matter what Christians say, they're all, in the end, despite themselves, they're materialists. 0.97
00:34:21.000 And what I mean by that is they've lost the metaphysical understanding of theology and morality.
00:34:27.820 And so everything is distilled in a materialist point of view, just like an atheist, which is my way of saying that they think all that, you know, what is good and evil is based on the material.
00:34:38.680 Therefore, the worst thing a Christian can do is physically hurt someone, because it's the material. 0.99
00:34:43.520 We acknowledge that.
00:34:44.300 But things like morality, because they're metaphysical, and this is why you have all these Christians saying, oh, you know, don't judge.
00:34:52.040 Oh, you know, love is love and all that sort of thing.
00:34:54.920 So I think when you look at the world through a materialist lens, like a lot of Christians do, violence and killing become the absolute greatest sin. 1.00
00:35:05.220 That's not how earlier Christians seen it, because they actually were Christians, and they actually accepted in the metaphysical, that which is beyond the physical, as even more important.
00:35:15.000 Okay, so things like morality was much more important than physical harm.
00:35:19.880 So I think that's why one of the reasons modern day Christians can't understand how can you fight back, how can you kill, etc. 1.00
00:35:25.320 But when you look in the book, and you see the logic and the rationale by people like St. Bernard of Clairvaux, and they quote it, and it's all scriptural, too.
00:35:33.700 And that's the point.
00:35:34.300 This isn't made up.
00:35:35.540 We can go back in the title of the book, The Two Swords of Christ, was a pivotal theme that goes back to the verse in Luke, where Christ says, you know, sell your garment,
00:35:44.720 buy a sword, and they say, look, Lord, here are two swords, and he says, that's enough.
00:35:48.720 So how that was understood then was that Christ was saying one sword against spiritual evil, which modern day Christians, I think, still understand,
00:35:56.880 but also a secular sword against physical evil, to protect the innocent, to protect the poor, to protect the orphan and the widow.
00:36:04.320 Okay, so that was actually seen as a good thing.
00:36:07.140 And as you know, there's so much we can talk about just war theory, that's completely embedded both Old and New Testament.
00:36:12.920 Okay, so no one back then had a problem.
00:36:15.760 But I think today, as you were saying, one of the big issues is, you know, this sort of passivity, turn the other cheek, which I call doormat Christianity, 0.99
00:36:24.680 has been so popularized that every Christian thinks this is real Christianity.
00:36:29.460 This is the only form of Christianity, which is for me to do nothing but to be a doormat. 1.00
00:36:33.760 I can never, ever judge.
00:36:35.000 I can never say this is wrong behavior.
00:36:36.600 I just have to shut up and take it.
00:36:38.180 And that, I mean, that is the greatest bloop.
00:36:40.580 If I'm an enemy of Christianity, that's the smartest thing I could get Christians to believe. 1.00
00:36:44.920 Okay, and they are.
00:36:47.000 And a lot of, as you were also indicating, a lot of young men find this distasteful.
00:36:51.360 And it's not, it's, I always hear, you know, churches, men are leaving churches.
00:36:55.820 Well, there's a reason, because the message that's actually, this message, this doormat Christianity, 0.99
00:37:00.320 doesn't resonate with our nature, which God gave us, which is to defend, you know, to defend the innocent and the victims and the poor and fight back.
00:37:09.800 So the sort of emasculation of Christianity, which completely works in tandem with the enemy, and I speak in the abstract, of course, I think that's all by design. 0.93
00:37:20.540 It's all intentional.
00:37:21.400 It has no, it doesn't resonate with historical Christianity.
00:37:24.300 Of course, there was mercy and love and forgiveness, and I'm not talking about that, but I'm talking on a social order level.
00:37:31.800 Okay, there has to be justice, there has to be retribution, and violence is not the end all.
00:37:38.300 Okay, so Christians need to understand that the number one commandment is not that you won't physically hurt someone. 0.89
00:37:43.600 Morality was much more important, okay, and preserving morality than physically harming someone.
00:37:49.920 So I think Christians need to get over being so materialists, like atheists. 1.00
00:37:55.560 Let's, let's, I want to go there.
00:37:57.300 Islam, when it came roaring out of Saudi Arabia, the peninsula, it overtook the ancient Persian empires, or Eastern Persia. 0.95
00:38:05.200 It overtook Egypt, arguably maybe our oldest civilization.
00:38:10.120 It overtook the Babylonian in Iraq, the civilization, North Africa, and of course, Christianity, the desert church. 1.00
00:38:18.040 We came, we were a desert religion.
00:38:19.780 We came out of the desert.
00:38:21.520 It overtook the Christians in Egypt. 0.99
00:38:23.000 It overtook Syria, overtook Turkey, where the church was actually quite strong then.
00:38:31.020 The reaction, the crusades to come back, these two military orders, give me the origin of these military orders.
00:38:37.500 I don't want to give away the whole book because I want people to buy this in droves.
00:38:40.420 Particularly, all three of these books you should get for yourself to learn, but particularly Defenders of the West and the Two Swords of Christ for young men.
00:38:51.980 If you have young men in your family and you're looking to get them something for Christmas, don't get them a video game.
00:38:58.540 Don't get them some piece of telecommunication as they use.
00:39:01.280 Don't get them software.
00:39:02.760 Get them these two books.
00:39:03.880 I'll guarantee you, you'll be shocked with young men you know very well that you say, well, they don't read anything.
00:39:10.340 They'll read these books because these books are about Christian militant warrior heroes.
00:39:16.180 Talk to me about, given that Islam had come and it just blown through and is about to go to Europe, right? 1.00
00:39:23.180 That started the crusades to take the Holy Land back.
00:39:26.740 Why did these two military orders, why were they essential to that?
00:39:29.740 How did they actually spring up?
00:39:31.580 Yeah, Steve, so, and that's the important point, which is why these books are also important.
00:39:38.420 I think a lot of people, when you talk about history of Islam and Europe, in their mind, it always starts with the crusades, which means they're always fed a false narrative that's presented in a vacuum.
00:39:49.260 The crusades started in 1095.
00:39:50.960 What I'm talking about initially started in 636.
00:39:53.960 OK, and, you know, this is when I was talking about the complete ransacking of Christendom and the conquest of three quarters of it and a lot, lots of, you know, in one year alone, in the year 10, 1009, an Egyptian caliph, according to Muslim sources. 0.76
00:40:09.740 And people always argue with me, oh, that's, no, it's in the Arabic.
00:40:13.160 OK, and it's well known.
00:40:14.640 He supposedly destroyed 30,000 churches, which, again, underscores how Christian the Middle East was. 0.98
00:40:20.340 He destroyed them in Egypt and greater Syria.
00:40:22.260 So basically the Middle East.
00:40:23.500 And he also razed to the ground the Holy Sepulcher, the original one.
00:40:27.520 OK, and this is before the crusades.
00:40:30.220 So, you know, and then and unfortunately, we get people like John Esposito, professor at Georgetown.
00:40:34.740 And I've quoted this quote that he's written in one of his books, I think, Islam, the straight path so many times I've memorized it.
00:40:42.620 And he literally says five centuries of peaceful coexistence between Muslims and Christians elapsed before an imperial papal power play led to centuries of so-called centuries of so-called holy wars that have left the legacy of misunderstanding and distrust.
00:40:57.380 In other words, before 1095, the first crusade, this is the narrative now by the academics, so many of them, and Hollywood, of course, is everything was fine.
00:41:07.060 Muslims and Christians were living in peace, you know, when they were when Muslims conquered three quarters of the Christian world, as I was saying, that was a time of peace until, you know, the popes and the papal power play ruined it all. 0.93
00:41:19.980 So that is the narrative. And that's why I think it's very important to understand what led up the centuries that led up to the crusades, which was, as Bernard Lewis even put it pretty well.
00:41:29.180 He said the first crusade was a belated response to centuries of Islamic aggression.
00:41:34.220 Now, the military orders come into being after right after the first crusade.
00:41:37.980 What happened is they've now the crusaders have liberated Jerusalem and a few other Christian cities along the coast of the, you know, in what was called then greater Syria.
00:41:49.900 But today in modern day Israel and also Lebanon and regions like that in Jordan, they had various cities under control.
00:41:57.180 But the problem was now that pilgrims were coming in droves, these were still islands surrounded by an Islamic sea because they were just literally outposts in the Islamic world right now. 0.72
00:42:06.880 And so whenever pilgrims would come, they would get savaged, killed, raped, mauled.
00:42:11.780 And so a small group of knights decided they're going to commit their lives to just defending these pilgrims.
00:42:17.800 Okay. And I think they were nine for the longest time, for almost nine years, according to William of Tire.
00:42:23.960 And they were so appreciated by the king, King Baldwin II, that he actually gave them residence in what was believed to be Solomon's Temple, which is Al-Aqsa Mosque.
00:42:34.460 And so they became known as the knights of the temple or the Templars.
00:42:38.600 And their entire life was about just protecting pilgrims from Muslims who would raid and attack them. 1.00
00:42:45.040 And again, what's interesting about them is you read the theological justification for what they were doing.
00:42:50.400 And it comes out in so many biblical verses that are cited that make perfect sense.
00:42:56.880 They would, you know, verses such as, you know, no greater love does a man have than to lay down his life for his fellow man, which, of course, is often understood in Christ's sacrifice.
00:43:04.820 But that's sort of what they were doing, too, right?
00:43:06.880 They were following in his footsteps, and they were actually putting their life on the line to protect their fellow brethren, fellow Christians who were coming to pilgrimage, which was a very important thing.
00:43:17.360 And then the second group, the knights of the hospital, were actually older, but they weren't militarized.
00:43:22.480 The first military organization or military order are the Templars.
00:43:26.320 But the knights of the hospital were actually, or the hospitalers at the time, these were just hospice workers, okay?
00:43:33.080 And they actually had a small hospice in Jerusalem, so when pilgrims would come, they would give them refreshment, they would give them beds and take care of their medical needs, okay?
00:43:41.520 So they were very meek, and the verses that actuated them were the ones about, they would actually have prayers about our lords, the sick, because Christ said, if you do this to the least of me, you're doing it for me.
00:43:53.560 But then they realized before long that, you know, what's the point of letting these pilgrims come get attacked and hurt, and then we have to try to heal them and take care of them?
00:44:03.500 Why don't we preempt it?
00:44:04.700 So they, too, became militarized and realized that, well, let's nip it in the bud.
00:44:08.840 Instead of waiting for them to get attacked and killed, we will also defend them, and we will fight back.
00:44:13.400 So they functioned very much like the Templars as well, as protectors of Christians. 0.70
00:44:18.160 I want to ask you, as people, you know, thinking about the holiday season and getting gifts, what is the most important thing you think people can get from reading your third book, The Two Swords of Christ?
00:44:35.040 And who was your target, and who is your target audience, sir?
00:44:39.880 The most important thing I think people will get is they'll, you know, first of all, it's a long, very interesting history.
00:44:47.200 So it's, you know, as I always say, when you look at these histories that I write about, they're much more engaging and dramatic than what Hollywood serves up.
00:44:54.340 The only difference is they're real.
00:44:56.080 Okay, so I think the history itself is going to be very engaging.
00:44:58.880 But I think what they'll ultimately get is this, you know, is this idea of doormat Christianity, which I think is so embedded in our psyche, that this is the only real kind of Christianity.
00:45:09.860 I think this will pleasantly challenge so many people to see that, no, I don't have to always be a doormat, that there is room.
00:45:16.840 In fact, it's advocated by the Lord himself to defend and fight and do what's right.
00:45:21.720 Okay, Jesus himself is the one who engaged in violence with a whip of cord.
00:45:25.640 Okay, so, you know, violence is not off the table.
00:45:28.560 It's not the end all, the worst sin.
00:45:31.300 Again, this is a materialist point of view.
00:45:34.080 So I think they will very much be refreshed and edified by the way the theology was understood.
00:45:40.440 And again, this wasn't an aberrant theology.
00:45:43.420 This was widely understood back then, but it's disappeared nowadays for a reason.
00:45:48.100 And the audience I wrote for, I generally always write these books for a general audience.
00:45:52.580 But I do believe younger men are really going to be the ones who profit the most from, especially the Two Swords of Christ, very much like they would from Defenders of the West.
00:46:03.060 And just a quick note about, because people always ask me this, they say, are they all connected?
00:46:07.280 Do I have to start with the first book?
00:46:08.640 So the answer is no, I didn't write them in a sense that if you don't read the first one, the second one won't make sense.
00:46:14.680 But all things being equal, if someone does want to read them all, I would start with Sword and Scimitar because it's the most general.
00:46:21.040 And it's sort of kind of gives you the lay of the land, whereas the other ones, Defenders of the West and Two Swords, are a little more specific.
00:46:27.900 But you still don't have to start with Sword and Scimitar.
00:46:30.860 You can start with either one.
00:46:32.000 I wrote them so they're self-contained books.
00:46:35.040 The reason that I'm so enthusiastic, but look, I love all of them.
00:46:39.060 And I tell people, if you want to see what the country's really up against and our republics are up against, our civilization, this gives you such a depth of knowledge.
00:46:49.560 And I think the Hiller-Bellock quote is so amazing because that really was the nadir.
00:46:56.020 That was right after they had just started to get assemblates.
00:46:59.380 The Ottoman Empire collapsed.
00:47:01.120 They had the Arab revolt, Lawrence of Arabia.
00:47:04.080 Jerusalem was free. 0.86
00:47:05.940 Damascus was free, finally, from the grip of the Ottoman Turks. 0.98
00:47:09.720 But Islam was not, you know, it was the rest of the 20th century is really very secularized until the rise of political Islam or Islamism.
00:47:19.760 And it just shows you it never goes away.
00:47:21.740 It's always a kernel there.
00:47:22.980 And it's quite dangerous.
00:47:24.260 And it's very dangerous to the West.
00:47:25.640 And today, that's why it's so important, these books for young men, to realize that there is a history of heroes here that have stepped in the breach and defended the West over, you know, 1,400, 1,500 years.
00:47:40.000 And that you are a part of this lineage.
00:47:42.080 And if you read these stories, you can't help but be inspired.
00:47:45.960 What's so powerful about the military orders, which has always been kind of an obsession of mine since I was a young kid, is that you're right.
00:47:53.800 It has this humility and piety and really religiosity and spiritualism on top of being the level of badasses of, like, Army Special Forces, Navy SEALs.
00:48:07.360 I mean, these guys, and the Crusades, with the Army of the Crusades.
00:48:10.660 The first crusade was a world historical event.
00:48:14.340 It changed Europe.
00:48:15.700 It changed civilization.
00:48:16.960 And I can't tell you how much you get this reading your first book, how much it absorbed the world and absorbed Christianity.
00:48:22.900 Coming out of that, these two institutions were really what was the connective tissue for also the other Crusades.
00:48:30.140 Because the other Crusades, you know, there were seven, I think, seven Crusades from them, all of them not successful.
00:48:36.260 But these military orders kind of hung in there.
00:48:38.980 And it's just an amazing story.
00:48:40.700 I think it will be, for the audience, especially if you have a young man in your life, you think, hey, he's not focused.
00:48:47.600 He doesn't go to church anymore.
00:48:48.820 He just seems to be kind of drifting.
00:48:51.520 Young men have a certain, you know, energy to them, a certain searching for a purpose, searching for a task.
00:49:00.520 And that's why I think if you get these books in their hands, you're going to see a change of, I think you'll see a change of attitude a lot.
00:49:06.160 They'll say, hey, there's something out there greater than me just sitting around playing video games.
00:49:09.960 I see that people that came before me had this task and purpose, and that's why I recommend it.
00:49:15.660 We've got to bounce.
00:49:16.360 I'm going to have you back on.
00:49:17.260 I want to have more of your thoughts this week about President Trump's amazing strategic, because it sounded like you were an advisor on it, the section in the Middle East, and particularly the section in Europe and the fall of Europe, which you've warned people about.
00:49:31.100 Where do people go now, though, to get the books, to particularly get to know more about you, social media, but particularly your website, because you're a fascinating character.
00:49:40.120 You studied under Victor Davis Hanson, which is obviously our audience loves.
00:49:44.780 Where do people go, Raymond?
00:49:46.680 Thanks, Steve.
00:49:48.500 The best place, you can go to my website, raymondibrahim.com, R-A-Y-M-O-N-D-I-B-R-A-H-I-M.
00:49:56.500 And also my YouTube channel.
00:49:58.380 I have a new YouTube channel, which I guess just put my name in.
00:50:01.040 I think it comes out.
00:50:02.220 Yeah, there it is, the Holy War channel.
00:50:04.120 And speaking of Victor, whoever wants to see, I actually just, he did an interview with me about the Two Swords of Christ, I think, last week.
00:50:09.900 And it's up there, and anyone can see it.
00:50:11.960 As far as the books, I have links to all of them to Amazon, so you can get them there.
00:50:16.500 And also, if you want a signed copy by yours truly, you can get it on my website as well.
00:50:22.360 And like you said, Steve, I do think these books, especially The Last Two and Two Swords of Christ, will be very, very helpful and edifying for young men who are dissatisfied with the current state of the church.
00:50:34.280 Oh, no, definitely.
00:50:35.960 Let's make these number one bestsellers.
00:50:38.160 Raymond, look forward to having you on back later in the week.
00:50:40.080 Thanks for taking so much time today for our Sixth Black Show.
00:50:42.620 Thanks, Steve.
00:50:42.760 Appreciate you, sir.
00:50:44.140 Thank you.
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