Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 913： Signs Of Catholic Revival Amid Massive Widespread Post-Conciliar Implosion

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00:01:27.000 Big news then, coming out in the last 40 hours, and that is Pope Leo,

00:01:36.000 the man widely recognised but not universally as being Pope,

00:01:42.000 has made his most substantial appointment or announced, it's been announced,

00:01:47.000 and that is he has picked Bishop Ronald Hicks of the Diocese of Joliet in Illinois to be the new Archbishop of New York.

00:01:59.000 In terms of population, second largest diocese in the States, and to succeed Cardinal Timothy Dolan,

00:02:08.000 who is going to spend more time with his lunch table.

00:02:15.000 Let's break this down as to what this might mean for the Catholic Church in America with Frank Walker,

00:02:22.000 and we've got Jenny Holland as well, coming on later to pick up on various aspects of what's going on here in continental Europe

00:02:31.000 with the fight for Christianity against one of its principal existential threats, and that is militant Islam.

00:02:39.000 So Jenny, welcome obviously also to you as well, we'll be joining you in a moment.

00:02:43.000 But before we do that, I think we'll start off frank with this story then about the New York appointment.

00:02:49.000 Presumably, Pope Leo will stick with the tradition, largely abandoned somewhat by his unlamented predecessor, Pope Francis,

00:02:59.000 and this will be a cardinalatial appointment.

00:03:02.000 Presumably, New York is typically a cardinalatial appointment.

00:03:06.000 Tell us, I want to give you an easy question to answer.

00:03:10.000 This is something that presumably Trad Inc. will be getting out the tinsel and saying this is great,

00:03:18.000 this shows what, how moderate Leo is.

00:03:23.000 I'm not so sure, you're not so sure.

00:03:25.000 This guy is a spiritual son of Cardinal Bernardine Wright, ordained by him, I believe, back in the 90s.

00:03:33.000 Now, why don't we have a voice of clarity from you, Frank Walker, to explain precisely what this first significant American appointment by the first American pope means for the church?

00:03:48.000 Well, it sounds like terrible news to me really.

00:03:52.000 It's, but you're right, they're saying that he's a moderate, some people are saying that he's a moderate.

00:03:58.000 They're saying that he's open to different liturgical variations or something like that.

00:04:03.000 But, and they're, you know, they have people on this, I see how this site, Tridenton Brewing is trad site saying, oh yeah, he was, you know, he was a part of our parish.

00:04:13.000 But when I check, there's about, maybe there's several, maybe seven different counties in his diocese, which is right up against Chicago, Cardinal Supich's diocese.

00:04:23.000 And I can't find more than a couple Latin masses there. 0.61

00:04:26.000 If you only have that many already, you can't really destroy it that much.

00:04:30.000 You know, that's the way it is where I live.

00:04:32.000 There's only two that you can go to in my diocese.

00:04:35.000 It's the places that have several parishes devoted to them that are being crushed.

00:04:40.000 So I don't think they're going to be too happy with that.

00:04:43.000 I don't think that they're going to find that he's, he's a conservative.

00:04:46.000 In fact, there's a video out there of him speaking when Leo was just elected.

00:04:51.000 And he's very, very connected to Leo.

00:04:54.000 And he does not sound good.

00:04:58.000 He does not sound very good.

00:05:00.000 He does not, he does not have a manly presentation.

00:05:03.000 That's what I would say.

00:05:04.000 And you're right.

00:05:05.000 He's in the line of Cardinal Bernadine.

00:05:07.000 Cardinal Bernadine was the father of the modern church and the father of the seamless garment,

00:05:12.000 where you destroy the pro-life movement through our democratic programs.

00:05:16.000 He's a reputed Satanist Cardinal Bernadine.

00:05:20.000 And, you know, you can see his people like in the just ended head of Washington, D.C., Wilton Gregory.

00:05:29.000 So he, in this speech here where he talks about Pope Leo, you can see his effeminate groveling that he makes.

00:05:36.000 He won't be able to make the same presentation on Fox News that Cardinal Dolan.

00:05:41.000 Cardinal Dolan had sort of a normal every man friendly persona.

00:05:46.000 This guy's not going to come off that way.

00:05:48.000 He's going to have to be much quieter.

00:05:50.000 You know, he and he gushes over Leo.

00:05:53.000 And Leo and I are the same.

00:05:55.000 We come from the same neighborhoods.

00:05:57.000 We have the same pizza.

00:05:59.000 We swam in the same pools.

00:06:01.000 He likes the white socks.

00:06:03.000 I like the Cubs.

00:06:04.000 You know, I don't buy this stuff about these guys even liking sports, really.

00:06:08.000 I believe the part about the pools, but that's his, that's, he's, this is a, I would call this an Obama church takeover of New York City.

00:06:17.000 That's what this is.

00:06:19.000 Um, okay.

00:06:20.000 So a few things there to break down.

00:06:24.000 And what you say, I think about Cardinal Dolan is, is fair enough point. 0.99

00:06:29.000 He was totally useless. 0.92

00:06:30.000 Um, but at least when he spoke, you didn't get the most common alarm bell ringing. 0.95

00:06:37.000 Um, that you get with say, I don't know.

00:06:40.000 I don't name names, but say Cardinal world or someone like that.

00:06:43.000 Then you have a whole list, right?

00:06:46.000 A whole list of Cardinal Cardinals or bishops, um, of all of unhappy memory.

00:06:52.000 And you hear them speaking and you have that little bell ringing in the back of your head saying, pay attention.

00:06:57.000 Um, Cardinal Dolan didn't set off that particular bell.

00:07:01.000 That is fair enough.

00:07:02.000 But he, he was largely useless, um, in promoting the agenda that many thought he was going to provide, uh, leadership on.

00:07:11.000 You know, it's, it's, it's, it's illustrative that under, um, under JP too.

00:07:16.000 And as his career, as his ecclesiastical career progressed, Cardinal Dolan was pretty effective at holding the pro-life position.

00:07:23.000 Um, when he was president of the, of the Catholic bishops conference, really what did it for him is when, uh, Benedict resigned and Francis came in and he just lost his mojo completely.

00:07:36.000 And Frank, it's illustrative of the fact that this is true in so many institutions, but more so, uh, even in the Catholic church, like, like, like a fish, it rots from the head down.

00:07:47.000 You get someone in who's bad at the top of the ecclesiastical apex, like Bergoglio.

00:07:53.000 And then you even have under him bishops who had been reasonably good and reasonably effective, just become immediately useless and ineffective overnight, right?

00:08:03.000 Right. They said that he was, it was rumored that he was instrumental in the card, in the Cardinal McCarrick takedown, which would began really at the New York times.

00:08:12.000 And, uh, perhaps that was what finally did it for him with, with Francis.

00:08:15.000 You know, there's a, there's a rivalry, a sort of rivalry.

00:08:18.000 There were some good Cardinals in New York city, Cardinal Cook, Cardinal O'Connor, but Chicago is the source of everything bad.

00:08:25.000 You know, this, this new Hicks, he's promoting all of this, uh, Leo's politics.

00:08:29.000 He spent five years in Latin America, another bad sign. 0.98

00:08:32.000 And he worked in an orphanage.

00:08:34.000 I know there's been stories of a pipeline of gay seminarians coming from Latin America into Chicago.

00:08:40.000 There's been Chicago, uh, uh, priests caught in cars in Miami.

00:08:45.000 I don't like the sound of this, this, uh, liberation theology, Latin American persona that he has here.

00:08:50.000 So this is, I would say this is an Obama church takeover, Obama and Bernadine went together.

00:08:56.000 Bernadine paid for Obama to get his communism lessons when he was young.

00:09:00.000 And, uh, and Pope Leo and Cardinal Cupich and all that are part of that kind of church.

00:09:05.000 That's not really what the New York church, not that the New York church is doing well.

00:09:09.000 I mean, they have a huge settlement.

00:09:10.000 They have to sell these half a billion dollar property now.

00:09:13.000 And, uh, they only have about 18 people trained to be priests for 300 parishes.

00:09:17.000 I mean, it's entire collapse church-wide, but you know, this is, this is not, this is the bad side of the church, which is where Leo is from.

00:09:27.000 The Lavender Mafia, even though it's Lavender all around, the Lavender Mafia bad side of the church coming to New York. 0.96

00:09:34.000 Let's just wheel back a moment because you did say something interesting that too few people know about.

00:09:40.000 Cardinal Bernadine did pay personally out of the diocese to ship a young Barack Obama over to LA, I think it was, for, for lessons in community organizing by, if I'm not mistaken, it was Saul Alinsky himself.

00:09:53.000 Um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the author of rules, rules for radicals, which was dedicated.

00:10:00.000 The first edition of that rules for radicals was dedicated to Satan himself.

00:10:05.000 Um, that I think Elinsky said the, you know, the original rebel.

00:10:11.000 Um, uh, so that, you know, that was Cardinal Bernadine, uh, and, and his spiritual heirs and successors are firmly entrenched now right throughout, um, Illinois, especially Chicago, obviously.

00:10:26.000 Um, you mentioned that he spent five years in Latin America.

00:10:30.000 Uh, I just want to pick up on that point.

00:10:33.000 Uh, sort of running, uh, some kind of charity, I think, organization down there for, for orphans and what have you.

00:10:41.000 It is an interesting parallel that these two kids, Bishop Hicks and, uh, Robert Prevost, now Pope, they, that they grew up side by side, basically, in these neighboring suburbs, right?

00:10:55.000 Um, that isn't interesting.

00:10:57.000 And they both spent, they both spent a substantial period, obviously longer for, for, for, for Pope Leo, but they both spent substantial periods in Latin America as part of their formation.

00:11:11.000 Right.

00:11:12.000 The psychological formation.

00:11:14.000 The Latin America is the breeding ground for liberation theology, which was a communist, um, corruption of Catholicism. 0.70

00:11:22.000 It's very effective because you can say all sorts of things that sound faithful and Catholic, but you keep emphasizing the poor.

00:11:28.000 You almost worship the poor and you use that, uh, to kind of like jump a jumping point into pushing communism.

00:11:35.000 This is what it is.

00:11:36.000 So they did that for many years down there, but with, with Benedict stepping down and Francis showing up also from Latin America, that became the Catholic religion.

00:11:45.000 That was put down by JP to the more of a Cardinal Dolan type, uh, uh, Pope that was put down, but it was resurrected by Francis.

00:11:54.000 And that is the mold that Leo is in.

00:11:56.000 And that's the mold that Supich is in.

00:11:58.000 And, and that is the Bernardine.

00:12:01.000 Whenever they talk about the, uh, the, uh, uh, seamless garment, the, the pro-life is everything.

00:12:08.000 As Leo mentioned that one of his castle Gandalf outbursts the other day, when he, she said that Dick Durbin really was very pro-life Senator in many ways.

00:12:16.000 Leo just wanted to visit a pro-life, uh, a crutch in the Vatican where there's all sorts of ribbons for the government to give things to women to help them, uh, uh, you know, deal, uh, deal with pregnancies.

00:12:28.000 But really that, that just balloons into a lot of, a lot of Democrat programs, a lot of really creating more, uh, unwanted pregnancies by supporting them all the time.

00:12:38.000 It's just an example of, of what, what Bernardine who, and Alinsky and Obama is he, Obama was president when all this started.

00:12:48.000 And Obama is still behind the scenes, very powerful.

00:12:52.000 They say he's moving more to New York.

00:12:54.000 He's a focus of, of Trump and these investigations.

00:12:57.000 Um, I mean, moving more to London, I mean, New York, but he's moving more to London, moving perhaps out of Washington, but it just makes me think of how important he was and how, how, how integral he may be to this new modern church.

00:13:10.000 And it's all really kind of goes together, the same kind of thing.

00:13:13.000 The same kind of thing.

00:13:14.000 So just give me a, a, a yes or no, uh, answer to this one then, Frank.

00:13:19.000 So your analysis, then your reading of the situation of this appointment, it's very much confirms the thesis that we've been promoting on the show since the day he emerged on the, uh, that Cardinal, uh,

00:13:34.000 uh, provost emerged on the, the loja, uh, elected Pope then that this is that someone who's more intelligent, more subtle, um, but absolutely, uh, a full, a fully signed up member of the Bergoglian revolution.

00:13:49.000 This is the kind of appointment you would expect from Leo, right?

00:13:52.000 Being more subtle, more intelligent, bedding down on the revolutionary principles that Bergoglio was trying to subvert the church with.

00:14:00.000 But unlike Leo and Cupich, he does not have a very, a manly persona.

00:14:05.000 He has a big boof hair.

00:14:06.000 I don't see how he's going to be able to even have a personality.

00:14:10.000 It's more of a slap in the face because, because that, even though in normal life, you wouldn't make a big deal out of that.

00:14:15.000 But when it comes to the church and the priests, after everything that they've been through, you know, people that, you know, was just, it's just reported that the, the people do not appreciate the Pope Leo's politics.

00:14:27.000 They don't support them at all.

00:14:28.000 And, and the polls are out saying that, you know, these negative polls coming on the Catholic church, the church is dying and collapsing in many ways to have a guy like this.

00:14:37.000 Has this effect is going to have a terrible, a terrible effect on the church.

00:14:42.000 Frank, on the point of the polls, we're going to come back to you later on in the show, because you've, you've been picking up on Canon 212.

00:14:49.000 Some fan, this fantastic, I think it was a Pew Society poll, right?

00:14:54.000 We'll be breaking that down in the second half of the show.

00:14:59.000 So stand by for that, Frank.

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00:16:21.000 Jenny, if there's one thing that English Catholics have known for many, many decades, it's that there's only one thing worse than the pill, and that's the tablet.

00:16:35.000 So when you flagged up this morning, this article, for Americans, the tablet, just to put the context behind the joke, the tablet is like the establishment liberal Catholic magazine that's been undermining the Catholic faith for many, many decades, read by all the priests, all the bishops, obviously.

00:16:57.820 It's like basically, I don't know, how would you call it, the Guardian's version, probably worse than the Guardian, because the Guardian can actually be impartial at times.

00:17:08.920 It's like the, it's establishment liberal, cultural, but not believing Catholicism.

00:17:17.140 And it's been going for 100 years.

00:17:18.780 The tablet, so when you flagged up this article, that got my interest, Jenny, the West should be less fearful of Islam, says the Pope.

00:17:27.820 The Pope went to the Middle East, to Turkey, and to Lebanon, to celebrate, I think, the one, how many years is this, 1,750 years since the Nicene Creed.

00:17:43.760 So he went to Nicaea, which is now present-day Turkey.

00:17:47.560 I think we just spoke about this on the show last week.

00:17:49.700 Frank, I think you flagged up the fact that the people who weren't there in this great ecumenical get-together were the Russian Orthodox, which is by like 98% of world Orthodoxy.

00:18:03.480 But he also, on the same trip, Leo went to Lebanon and took that as an opportunity, because Lebanon, historically, is 50% Christian, 50% Muslim, not anymore, not remotely anymore.

00:18:19.480 And rather disingenuously, a great representative of syncretism went out there and held up Lebanon as an example for Catholics and, or Christians and Muslims to emulate.

00:18:35.480 Tell us more.

00:18:36.120 Well, Ben, first I have a confession.

00:18:39.600 Being somewhat of a newbie to this stuff, yeah, I did not know that about the tablet.

00:18:44.900 But also, a further confession, when Leo ascended to the throne of Rome a few months ago,

00:18:52.540 and you and Frank and Liz came straight out of the gate, critical and very skeptical of Leo, I sort of withheld judgment.

00:19:01.280 I thought, well, I don't really know.

00:19:02.560 Maybe, you know me, I'm a Pollyanna.

00:19:04.500 I'm like, maybe it'll all be okay.

00:19:06.560 Well, this article, it just goes to show, always trust MAGA, always trust the war room.

00:19:12.200 They always have the right take.

00:19:13.740 This article firmly put all of that optimism that I had momentarily to bed, because I have never read a more jaw-dropping article in my life, and that says a lot.

00:19:26.140 I have also never heard a more ill-timed, poorly strategized, and poorly thought-out public pronouncement from any public figure of any time ever.

00:19:38.240 And I'm going to have to read the quote in full, so forgive me for reading from my notes.

00:19:42.340 But Pope Leo told assembled journalists, like you said, coming back from a trip to Lebanon, where he held a mass in Beirut.

00:19:49.960 He said, one of the great lessons Lebanon can teach the world is showing a land where Islam and Christianity are both respected,

00:19:58.600 and that there is a possibility to live together, to be friends.

00:20:02.100 He went on.

00:20:03.220 In Europe, fears are present, but often generated by people who may be from another country, another religion, or another race.

00:20:11.180 I would say that we all need to work together.

00:20:14.740 And he finally said that the example of Lebanon would be important also to be heard in Europe or North America.

00:20:22.400 So, using Lebanon, holding Lebanon up as an example of sectarian success, is genuinely the most insane thing I have ever heard.

00:20:38.760 And I don't even know how I can put the words together to fully express it.

00:20:44.140 I don't think I really need to.

00:20:45.640 It's disingenuous.

00:20:45.860 It's disingenuous, right?

00:20:49.320 You can't have that point.

00:20:51.260 You can't, as a leader of Christianity, hold that public view in good faith. 0.92

00:20:56.860 No.

00:20:58.920 I mean, look, I think if this, to me, the best, putting the most sort of seal man argument on this,

00:21:05.360 the best you could say is maybe this is a comment he would want to make in private meeting in a non-denominational or a multi-faith room,

00:21:15.220 and you're trying to put a best foot forward in meeting a mufti or doing some sort of high-level kind of kid gloves diplomacy.

00:21:23.920 However, to tell the poor, bedraggled, exhausted, and terrified people of Europe that they have nothing to fear from Islam. 0.97

00:21:32.560 I mean, how many decades now have we been under attack from Islamists and under siege from large waves of sort of unvetted migrants coming from the Middle East? 1.00

00:21:45.360 And how many years have we been subjected to storylines, Lebanon being the biggest one of all, of Hezbollah terrorism, kidnappings of missionaries, kidnappings of Western journalists?

00:21:57.120 I mean, it's just been a never-ending onslaught, and he's making these blithe remarks as though none of that existed.

00:22:05.660 So even if it is disingenuous, it's so tone-deaf that it just boggles the mind.

00:22:13.380 Furthermore, this is the Christmas season, okay?

00:22:17.780 And what happens in Europe during Christmas?

00:22:19.980 We have these lovely Christmas markets, or as we now in the UK say, winter markets, because we don't want to offend certain of our religious neighbors here in the United Kingdom.

00:22:32.360 And what is happening with the Christmas markets?

00:22:35.240 They have become sort of fortified airport security military zones because of the high threat of Islamic terrorism.

00:22:44.860 And this is the friendly success that we need to celebrate and open our hearts even more to, when the taxpayers of Europe have been paying in multiple ways to support these new communities arriving, and then been met with acts of terror by their co-religionists? 0.87

00:23:02.860 Jenny, tis the season to be martyred, to adapt a popular hymn, to update a popular hymn, to present times.

00:23:16.120 Yeah, it is, the lambs to the slaughter, according to Leo.

00:23:19.040 So you mentioned the situation that he'd highlighted Lebanon as an example where Christians and Muslims can work together, and citing explicitly, as you pointed out, in Europe and the US.

00:23:35.820 And he criticised, he took the opportunity, here's the stab in the back, he took the opportunity to criticise anti-migrant activists in Europe who stoke fears of Islam, claiming instead that Muslims and Christians can, and I quote, live together to be friends.

00:23:54.460 Now, I wasn't, I wasn't intending to take this opportunity to promote myself on Geta, but I shall do, because I immediately, when I saw that, I responded, and I said this.

00:24:06.060 Hey, hashtag not my Pope, you picked a poor example.

00:24:10.160 The last official census in Lebanon, which was 1932, placed Christians in a majority to Muslims at 53 to 47 percent.

00:24:19.040 An unofficial 2024 poll now put that at 15 to 85 percent, that is to say, Christianity has collapsed from 53 percent, it's now at 15, 1-5, and the Muslims are, went from the minority of 47 percent now to 85 percent.

00:24:38.520 And I said, I concluded, that's what Let's All Be Friends gets you, no thanks.

00:24:43.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:44.920 So look, just give me, just give me one minute, Jenny, give me one minute.

00:24:48.340 What will continental Europe look like?

00:24:50.960 Citing that the Christmas market sort of massacres that Islam is planning across continental Europe, right, what will continental Europe look like if it followed the Lebanese route? 1.00

00:25:06.680 It would look like Lebanon, I suppose, which is not a good thing. 1.00

00:25:09.540 I mean, using Lebanon as an example of successful interfaith integration is like saying you're like the tallest dwarf in Midgetown.

00:25:19.800 I mean, there is no place in the Middle East where Christians are, you know, flourishing and, you know, leading the way, democratizing and being all friendly with their Muslim neighbors.

00:25:33.360 That is not a reality.

00:25:35.380 And also, I might add, it's not even really a reality in Christian Europe where Christian Europeans are not treated.

00:25:45.780 I mean, individually, obviously, people individually get along in many, many, many cases.

00:25:50.280 But seen on a macro level, Islamic action in Europe has been overwhelmingly negative.

00:25:59.100 Look at the rape gangs in the United Kingdom.

00:26:01.860 Look at all the terrorist attacks.

00:26:03.640 Austrian police spoiled last year an attack on a Taylor Swift concert.

00:26:09.260 Look at Axel Rudakabana, who is a Rwandan, who stabbed to death three little girls at a Taylor Swift dance class in Liverpool.

00:26:16.580 And he was motivated and had all sorts of al-Qaeda information on his computer.

00:26:22.020 Like, it just never ends.

00:26:24.080 So, honestly, you know, Trump is right.

00:26:26.200 It's peace through straits.

00:26:27.720 Peaceful existence between religions can exist.

00:26:32.100 If the Christian nations are strong and are confident, then there is absolutely a place for other faiths in those nations.

00:26:43.400 But it's only from a position of strength.

00:26:45.480 And that is not what Europe is right now.

00:26:48.620 Folks, we'll be back in two minutes after this short break.

00:26:51.480 I just want to say, Jenny, you're absolutely right.

00:26:53.640 There can be coexistence, and that's more likely to take place if Islam remains a minority in the West. 0.99

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00:31:15.360 The old church, 13% of Americans are former Catholics. 1.00

00:31:19.400 Most falling away because they no longer believe that crap. 1.00

00:31:22.380 Are tired of the perverts and or their bad politics. 0.99

00:31:26.300 Well, I thought there was this huge rebirth, a huge rejuvenation of Catholicism, particularly among the young.

00:31:34.780 And this is the second Pew poll that's been out like in a week.

00:31:38.000 They said it was released yesterday.

00:31:39.700 So there was one a week ago.

00:31:41.520 And that one also contradicted all these stories.

00:31:44.320 There's a piece of the register today.

00:31:47.380 It's definite.

00:31:48.140 There is a definite rise in Catholicism, particularly among young men.

00:31:55.880 But why do these polls not reflect it?

00:31:58.380 That there was a video that I took from a clip on Rumble.

00:32:05.940 Frank Walker, our very own Frank Walker, giving part, taking from his morning bulletin,

00:32:11.260 15-minute bulletin of what's everything that traditional Catholics need to be aware of.

00:32:15.980 And I wanted to play that to give you a taste of the sort of things that's there.

00:32:20.120 Frank, that was a superb production.

00:32:22.400 Look, it's not easy to do.

00:32:24.240 I couldn't do a 15-minute take to camera by myself.

00:32:29.300 You do it every day, 15-minute take, single shot.

00:32:34.100 And it's absolutely superb.

00:32:35.520 There's everything in there.

00:32:37.300 And, folks, you can get that by going.

00:32:39.700 We'll give the address at the end of the show.

00:32:42.180 But you get that on Rumble.

00:32:44.560 Or via the Stumbling Block website.

00:32:48.900 Frank has the link to it.

00:32:50.860 Absolutely superb.

00:32:51.820 And many people here by now will know you as being the Catholic madrudge and the Canon 212 aggregator, 0.99

00:33:00.860 which has all the headlines there.

00:33:02.780 On your 15-minute daily, you break that down, the key headlines, and give a little bit of exposition.

00:33:10.920 Superb.

00:33:13.000 I can't tip my hat.

00:33:15.860 I can't bow.

00:33:17.020 I can't tip my hat and bow sufficiently to that.

00:33:20.560 And I very, very strongly recommend all of our wallroom posses that follow this show to go over to Rumble and to give your video a look through and a consideration.

00:33:33.700 Now, as to the point of what you were talking about in today's video, we're going to break that down now in the next 5-10 minutes.

00:33:40.580 And this is the Pew Society poll.

00:33:42.820 You have the takes here.

00:33:46.040 I'm reading this straight from Canon 212. 0.99

00:33:48.920 13% of Americans are former Catholics, most falling away because they no longer believe that crap, are tired of the perverts and or their bad politics. 0.90

00:34:00.360 Of the adults who left the Catholic faith, 14% are now Protestant, compared with only 1% of Americans raised as Protestants, who are now Catholic. 0.92

00:34:13.500 And the third statistic here, which I find is absolutely fascinating, is that in terms of permanence,

00:34:24.260 Pew found that Hindus, 82% of Hindus claim to keep their childhood religion, Muslims at 77%, Jews are on 76%, Protestants on 70%, Catholics all the way down at 57%.

00:34:43.840 That's the worst out of all the major world religions in the United States. 1.00

00:34:48.360 Break the poll down for us, Frank, and give us your take on, really, you know, this is exactly, is it not,

00:34:58.740 this is exactly the sort of thing that the institutional Catholic Church should be focused on,

00:35:04.080 should have its beady, cynical eyes focused on this and make its episcopal appointments based on doing something about that. 0.98

00:35:11.680 As we were just talking about earlier on the show, doesn't look as if that is particularly Leo's priority in anything other than words.

00:35:20.900 Well, like you were talking about, Leo is sort of a performance.

00:35:24.920 He's the, he's like a vicar of globalism.

00:35:28.080 He's over there pushing extremely unpopular positions every week, and going into the Middle East, saying really unpopular things.

00:35:36.420 Why? Because the people that are ruling the world, the power of people that are destroying Europe, they want him to do that.

00:35:43.560 That's his job. He goes out there.

00:35:46.260 And, you know, that the real realities are seen on the ground.

00:35:51.800 300 parishes in New York City and two priests, new priests, 18 priests in formation.

00:35:58.300 Even, you know, the polls say one thing, but the reality on the ground is that things are going, are collapsing.

00:36:04.960 You know, out of Chicago, Leo gives us New York City, somebody who's going to be very unpopular.

00:36:10.440 You know, and the one statistic that really struck me in this is that 13% of Americans are former Catholics.

00:36:17.540 I mean, most Americans never were Catholics in the first place.

00:36:21.780 I mean, that's an awful lot of Catholic, of former Catholics. 0.97

00:36:25.420 And then, of course, they never, ever talk about the difference between people who are practicing Catholics and people aren't.

00:36:31.060 They're just anybody who'll say, well, what are you?

00:36:32.680 Well, I don't know. I'm a Catholic, you know, so they count them.

00:36:36.200 This poll is a combination of a poll from 23 and 24, and then a recent poll they added into it.

00:36:43.740 And so, you know, there may be some distinction, may be some new things happening right now.

00:36:47.600 Things are a lot more different this year than they were last year.

00:36:50.160 And so, you know, and people are discussing, there's one story after another, which we've been discussing,

00:36:55.560 that shows that there's this young people are growing and the churches are getting bigger and we keep racking our brains.

00:37:01.380 Well, what's going to happen to them when they join those churches?

00:37:04.140 Because everybody else is joining those churches and these are the hard results, you know, the major results.

00:37:09.420 You know, people become Protestants all the time, but they don't go back and become Catholics.

00:37:16.560 You know, other religions, Hindus and Muslims and Jews, they hold on to their religion.

00:37:21.440 But the Catholics are the only ones that are dropping and collapsing because there's so much under the gun.

00:37:27.200 Nobody becomes a religion to follow a political stunt, which is what they have, a political stunt. 0.98

00:37:34.520 And one that's so, you know, not human, that's so, again, unnatural as men who are like, you know, like the guy that's going to take over New York.

00:37:44.080 So I'm not saying that the new growth that we've been that we've been writing about isn't true.

00:37:48.620 But in the register piece that I referred to in that in that daily update, which happens in the end of the day here, you're over on the other side of the pond.

00:37:56.420 I wish it was in the morning, but in that that register piece is no, it's definite.

00:38:01.660 It's definite, definite, definite.

00:38:03.580 The churches are exploding.

00:38:05.280 Everything's growing.

00:38:06.160 We can't ignore the fact that there's a lot of propaganda out there and that there might be a push worldwide, globally to make it look like, you know, to go on with Leo Church, this new big growth.

00:38:19.120 You know, they're even saying that this new bishop of New York is going to create this, fix all these problems.

00:38:24.480 They're always saying that, you know, that's.

00:38:29.460 Well, firstly, what you just said, we can break that down in a number of different ways.

00:38:33.780 Jenny's saying every other week about how certain sectors of the church are growing.

00:38:40.800 We hit this on the show last week, actually.

00:38:42.900 I think the way of I think the correct way of interpreting these two trends, that is a general collapse going on across the universal church.

00:38:54.480 But massive uptake amongst the youth, the 18 to 24 bracket of men, especially what have you, but not exclusively.

00:39:03.980 The way to see that is the fact that, as you said, that most Catholics aren't Catholic anyway.

00:39:10.140 They counted as Catholic, you know, because they were baptised.

00:39:13.200 And that's about the degree of affinity, of practice or coherence that they have.

00:39:20.680 What you have is a movement in opposite directions.

00:39:27.120 You have, you know, and this wasn't the situation before the council, before the Second Vatican Council.

00:39:32.360 The Catholic Church, they couldn't build churches fast enough. 0.58

00:39:35.500 And it was the council that ruined everything.

00:39:39.200 So you have like the third, you know what, the third, fourth generation post council.

00:39:44.560 And people are just giving up even that notional connection to the Catholic Church.

00:39:50.080 And I think that's what the polls are picking up on this 13 percent.

00:39:53.540 You know, people who haven't had practicing Sunday, at the very least, attendance at mass for three or four generations now are simply not even bothering to identify themselves as Catholic.

00:40:09.840 That's going on on the one hand.

00:40:11.560 On the other hand, you have, I think this is driven by the Holy Spirit.

00:40:15.480 You have Charlie Kirk's martyrdom.

00:40:17.380 You also have social media and the algorithms that are targeting young guys.

00:40:23.340 And I have to, you know, I don't like Elon Musk remotely.

00:40:26.000 Bad news, bad guy.

00:40:27.940 But I do have to give a sort of hat tip to what he's done since he took over at X.

00:40:33.720 And I think, you know, his influence there is driving some of this revival that we're seeing.

00:40:39.020 And so that's the other trend.

00:40:40.400 You have a falling away of people who were never Catholic in the first place.

00:40:45.200 And then a growing intensity and relationship with Christ, with the sacraments, with the church in a smaller minority.

00:40:53.960 But because of the intensity, they're making their presence felt and seen a lot more.

00:41:00.520 But it's interesting, you know, there ought to be, if this wasn't happening by design, there ought to be that red light flashing on the dashboard, right, when they're looking at these statistics in the institutional church, in the chancerous, in the Vatican.

00:41:22.420 And you think that we really ought to be changing course here.

00:41:25.460 But of course, this isn't the falling away from the church isn't the book.

00:41:30.980 This is the feature.

00:41:31.880 Because the people who are guiding the Catholic church aren't Catholic. 0.66

00:41:35.320 They hate the Catholic church. 0.97

00:41:36.920 They hate the Catholic faith. 1.00

00:41:38.220 And they hate Catholics. 1.00

00:41:40.360 Right. 0.84

00:41:40.840 You're right.

00:41:41.200 It's two directions.

00:41:42.180 The church is doubling down and getting worse and giving us what these polls represent.

00:41:46.860 But at the same time, there's this organic movement of Christianity, the Charlie Kirk type of Christianity that is growing.

00:41:55.420 And it's not big enough to be measured in the polls nor the Catholic polls.

00:41:59.240 But it's out there and it keeps popping up.

00:42:01.840 You know, I saw today at LifeSite News and Father David Nix and John Henry Wesson giving a talk.

00:42:09.020 And Father Nix said a thing that's very key to this.

00:42:11.220 He says, without the truth and the courage, you're not going to bring people like evangelicals into the church. 0.92

00:42:20.180 You have to have those two things.

00:42:21.540 Unless you can have that, it's not going to grow.

00:42:24.140 God expects that from us.

00:42:25.840 So, I mean, if you just take a look at that thing today, running at LifeSite News, a little discussion between these two people in Rome,

00:42:31.580 then you'll see, I think, the recipe for harnessing the actual organic growth that isn't reflected in these polls.

00:42:38.340 It's the opposite of what the truth is doing.

00:42:43.160 Well, of course it is, because they're deliberately driving the church into the ground.

00:42:47.760 This is part of the design.

00:42:49.860 We'll obviously, here on The War Room, keep this under our strict observation and report further news and developments on this theme,

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00:44:23.960 Jenny, you've got some interesting stories now to do with the revival that's taking place in France right now.

00:44:34.600 And I'll just flag up to our non-Catholic audience, or even our not particularly observing Catholic audience.

00:44:44.340 When we're talking about the sacrament of reconciliation, as they call it now, confession,

00:44:49.820 that is really where the rubber hits the road in Catholic life,

00:44:54.980 because everyone's gangster until they have to go into that little wooden box and tell their sins to a human being.

00:45:02.600 So when I see that in France there is a revival in confession, that interests me, because that's hardcore.

00:45:15.940 Obviously, Catholics, we are obliged, I think, twice a year, once a year, at least once a year, to go to confession.

00:45:23.660 Good regular practice would go a lot more than that, like once, twice a month.

00:45:28.220 But many, of course, many don't.

00:45:31.500 Even amongst Catholics who go to Mass on Sunday, many, many don't go to confession.

00:45:35.580 It's a difficult thing to do, to sit there and work out what your most recent sins are that you've committed

00:45:42.180 since you last went to confession, and then go and tell someone else.

00:45:46.580 It's a tough thing.

00:45:47.440 Jenny, what's going on in France?

00:45:48.560 Yeah, so a poll came out that said that 50%, 5-0% of weekly Mass goers in France go to confession,

00:46:00.960 and 36% of those who attend monthly take confession.

00:46:06.720 So, you know, as you say, given that it is a difficult thing to do,

00:46:10.260 and it's definitely fallen out of fashion, because the accountability side, shall we say, of religion

00:46:18.000 has faded into the background and been replaced by this happy, clappy, let's love everyone, love is love vibe.

00:46:26.020 I think 50% is a really remarkable number.

00:46:28.600 I think it's particularly interesting as well that it's coming from France,

00:46:32.300 which not only is sort of the birthplace of secular, liberal, revolutionary fervor,

00:46:42.760 basically communism, let's say, you know, French Revolution,

00:46:47.880 the French philosophers of the mid to late 20th century, all that jazz.

00:46:52.760 And, you know, it's really enshrined secularity into its government and its culture.

00:47:01.020 It's very interesting that it's coming from France, of course,

00:47:04.800 because France has also been the site of many terrorist attacks by Islamist actors,

00:47:10.260 either lone wolf actors, like if a French priest was beheaded at an altar,

00:47:15.060 if I remember correctly, a few years ago, the Bataclan attacks of 2015,

00:47:19.680 all those sort of things, a driving attack in Nice for a 14th of July celebration.

00:47:29.640 So France is really a hotbed of ferment of all of these conflicting things.

00:47:36.180 And the priest, one of the priests quoted, said something very interesting.

00:47:39.900 He's a canon in Paris.

00:47:41.700 And he just said that a return to tradition is in the air.

00:47:46.340 That was the phrase he used.

00:47:47.680 He said that there's been a return to traditional practices like prayer vigils,

00:47:53.920 pilgrimages, and this is my favorite part of the quote, he said,

00:47:58.660 and a certain awareness of sin,

00:48:01.600 which I think is a very sort of elegant way to put the sort of cataclysmic collapse

00:48:08.900 of societal norms that have been inflicted upon us by,

00:48:14.980 I mean, you could say largely by the internet, but the internet is merely a tool.

00:48:19.480 It's really sort of this globalist blob that thinks that it doesn't matter if you're a man

00:48:26.680 or a woman to be a mother or a father, you can be a gestating parent, you can purchase babies,

00:48:32.180 you can be any kind of infinite variety of sexual preference.

00:48:36.720 And people are reacting against that.

00:48:38.820 So an awareness of sin, in particular, that word, is extremely telling.

00:48:45.600 I don't believe this article.

00:48:49.880 No, I don't.

00:48:51.020 I don't.

00:48:51.480 I don't believe it.

00:48:52.240 Fifty percent of Catholics going to confession is,

00:48:57.180 I can tell you this,

00:48:58.380 if that is true,

00:49:00.460 there will be a man,

00:49:02.700 the spiritual fruits of the church of Catholics in France right now will be so great.

00:49:10.460 We cannot come,

00:49:11.460 we cannot with our limited imaginations have an idea of what that will do to transform that country.

00:49:17.820 If that is true,

00:49:18.700 that 50 percent of Catholics,

00:49:20.640 that that is literally transformative.

00:49:22.540 I don't believe it.

00:49:23.700 You know,

00:49:24.060 I would applaud them.

00:49:25.880 I would stand here, Jenny,

00:49:27.440 and I would applaud them if it were five percent.

00:49:30.420 Fifty percent.

00:49:31.900 Incredible.

00:49:33.720 Look,

00:49:34.020 You're always trying to rain on my parade, Ben.

00:49:37.240 Well, you know,

00:49:41.560 I'm just throwing my...

00:49:45.280 Well, yeah,

00:49:46.120 you're more practiced in this area.

00:49:48.440 But I will say this,

00:49:49.700 much like what,

00:49:50.620 Frank,

00:49:50.860 and you were just talking about over that poll,

00:49:54.060 this is the sort of conceptual drive that is happening in all of these stories that we return to over and over again.

00:50:01.540 And just saying what you just said in different words,

00:50:04.440 it's the laity versus the hierarchy.

00:50:07.460 The laity is going to revive and rebuild,

00:50:11.140 and they're going to detach from the hierarchy.

00:50:13.740 That's what all of these stories show us.

00:50:16.220 So I think there is hope, actually,

00:50:17.840 that that might be true.

00:50:19.260 A thousand percent.

00:50:19.560 A thousand percent.

00:50:20.300 Very quickly.

00:50:21.040 A thousand percent.

00:50:21.900 Thanks, Jenny.

00:50:22.720 Very quickly.

00:50:23.580 Thirty seconds.

00:50:24.840 I'm coming on your show tomorrow.

00:50:27.020 That's right.

00:50:27.240 Mention that,

00:50:27.980 and quickly do your socials.

00:50:30.360 So you can find me at

00:50:32.420 JennyEHolland.Substack.com

00:50:34.960 and now on YouTube

00:50:36.220 at Saving Culture

00:50:37.380 from Itself.

00:50:38.560 And I will be there with you tomorrow

00:50:42.040 for a whole hour.

00:50:44.640 A whole hour.

00:50:46.420 But you'll have to subscribe.

00:50:47.220 It won't be posted tomorrow.

00:50:49.440 With my usual provocations.

00:50:51.420 Frank Walker.

00:50:52.720 Jenny gave us a nice compliment earlier on in the show,

00:50:55.700 saying we were right from the beginning,

00:50:57.220 which we were.

00:50:58.180 War Room,

00:50:58.960 Canon 212.

00:50:59.860 Quick shout out to Chris Jackson,

00:51:01.880 as well as Substack.

00:51:02.840 We were absolutely right.

00:51:03.880 We haven't yielded.

00:51:07.000 Canon 212, then.

00:51:08.800 Where do people go

00:51:09.720 to keep up with your updated,

00:51:12.200 daily, hourly algorithm?

00:51:14.960 You can see the,

00:51:15.940 yeah, Canon 212

00:51:17.160 and you can see the update

00:51:18.220 on the right-hand column

00:51:19.260 and then that's Canon 212

00:51:20.900 at Twitter,

00:51:21.540 all spelled out.

00:51:22.680 And then at Rumble

00:51:23.360 and at Glory TV

00:51:24.120 is the daily update.

00:51:26.800 Which I cannot recommend

00:51:28.460 highly enough.

00:51:30.480 Absolutely.

00:51:31.180 If you don't listen to anything else

00:51:32.840 all day to do with the Catholic Church,

00:51:35.480 go there,

00:51:36.900 search out Frank Walker

00:51:38.240 on Rumble

00:51:38.980 and watch his daily update.

00:51:40.360 Folks,

00:51:40.700 that's all we've got time for.

00:51:41.960 Back next week,

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Bannon's War Room - December 18, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 913： Signs Of Catholic Revival Amid Massive Widespread Post-Conciliar Implosion

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