WarRoom Battleground EP 915: President Trump Unveils The Golden Fleet Cont.
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In this episode of the War Room, we discuss the massive new shipbuilding program the United States has been announced, the new battleship class The Theodore Roosevelt Class, and the announcement that two new battleships would be built from this class in the next two and a half years, and that these ships would be 100 times more capable than our previous battleships that we had in World War II.
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which is them the democrats fault they'll try and blame republic has nothing to do with us it's the
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democrats fault what i want to do is we spend hundreds of billions of dollars a year that go
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to insurance companies i want that money to go to the people and let the people buy their own
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health care and everybody loves it it's become our issue now before i do that i'll meet with
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the insurance companies just as i met with the drug companies as you know we're meeting with
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four other drug companies johnson and johnson but they've all agreed okay this is war room we're
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passing the baton over on rav to john solomon and just the news we're going to continue on the war
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room uh channel here we're going to continue the press conference and captain finnell
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natalie winters will join us immediately after the president answers questions
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nobody thought that was possible i don't think any other president ever tried to get it because
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they never thought they could but with respect to the insurance companies i want to meet there's
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essentially 14 of them 10 big but there's a total of 14 pretty much oh pretty big and i want to meet
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with them and i want to say i want you to cut your rates way down way way down and maybe if they do that
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we'll be able to not cut them out we'll be able to continue to deal with them
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which is probably a little easier process i think the best process is pay the money directly to the people
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let them buy their own health care but i'm going to meet with them the first week back i do it now
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but they're trying to come up with a schedule they want to they want to meet badly they've told me
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but they want to come up with a schedule i said make it a good schedule your rates have to come way down
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we're also going to meet with other insurance companies because under biden the insurance rates
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have gone through the roof auto insurance home insurance i mean insurance companies are making
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far more than they're entitled to make so we're going to be doing that but just in the meantime
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we'll be meeting with the insurance companies in the first week the first few days back
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in washington because they're trying to come up with a proposal that will satisfy me thank you very
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much everybody appreciate it i hope you're going to enjoy the battleships they're going to be beautiful
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thank you and have a great christmas if i don't speak to you thank you very much
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right there the president united states secretary war secretary neighbor phelan uh secretary of state
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marco rubio a massive new shipbuilding program uh just announced uh i'm gonna bring in captain finnell
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so captain given that you're one of the world's leading experts in this and you've been a huge
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advocate for basically it was like a punch list of what captain jim finnell has been arguing for
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on the worm over the last couple of years give us your assessment what what first off what was
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actually announced and how does that fit into kind of the the architecture of how you see
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returning uh the united states to be a global naval power well the specific announcement steve was for
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this new uh battleship class the trump class and the announcement that two ships would be built from
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this class in the next two and a half years and that these ships these battleships would be 100
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times more capable than our previous battleships that we had uh in world war ii the iowa class which
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you remember from your time in service i still remember seeing an iowa class battleship fire a full
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broadside what will be different now is that they'll be much the same size as the old ones maybe a little
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bit bigger uh they'll have as the president said they're going to be made from steel thick steel so
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they're going to be survivable he talked about sturdy and survivability and then he talked about this
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hundred times more powerful uh which means they're going to have a lot of vertical launch cell tubes our
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early burke class destroyers have 96 uh cells uh so this would probably have you know hundreds of
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more cells uh to be able to launch these long-range anti-ship cruise missiles that are going to go at
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supersonic or even hypersonic speeds along with the guns he mentioned guns that are going to have
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turrets and guns they're going to be able to fire not just uh kind of shells like the nine inch uh
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uh or 16 inch guns that we had the nine 16 inch guns that the iowa class had but it'll have
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the ability to fire uh rail guns lasers and then again other kinds of munitions that are going to
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have much longer range than the old uh 16 inch shells which were about 26 miles so we're going to
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have we're talking about a long way away and i think the secretary of the navy was i was really
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pleased with uh sec nef thalon's uh statements he really as you said he went down this list of things
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that we've been really banging on for 20 years about what we need to do and the biggest thing that he said
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was we are going to go after the uh we're not just going to swat down arrows we're going to go after
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the archer and then put that in vernacular he's talking about war at sea we're going to go after
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those ships that can sink us and we're not just going to have uh ships that go to sea that just
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protect themselves by shooting down incoming missiles so for the last 35 years we've been focused on
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power projection ashore in places like iraq and afghanistan and then this kind of defense
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uh you know defending against incoming uh air launch missiles but we haven't really thought
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about what does it mean to go after other navy fleets because there hadn't been a peer competitor
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naval fleet since the soviet navy went away in you know when the the soviets collapsed in 91 so we've
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been 35 years 34 years of not having a peer competitor but in that time the prc the people's liberation
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army navy has built themselves into a peer competitor and what i heard tonight was a president
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who's preaching from the bully pulpit as we've been asking for and then what's different than his first
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administration i think he had the same desires in his first administration but he didn't have a team
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he didn't have the right people around him and they were not able to execute they did some things i'm
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not they reversed the decline that obama had really done and biden continued they stopped that in his
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first administration but i think now they've spent the last 10 months with this office of shipbuilding
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and these new plans for these new systems and this outlook of hey we have to fight and win wars at sea
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and i was very glad to hear the comments about survivability fighting and winning shooting the
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archer not just swatting down arrows the idea that we're going to build and continue to build
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aircraft carriers was also very welcome to my ears uh along with these battleships and he used the phrase
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battle groups you know when you were in the navy uh and when i joined the navy we had carrier battle
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groups cvbgs and in 2004 when i was on board the uss kitty hawk out in japan the u.s navy changed the
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naming structure and called them carrier strike groups and i have a feeling we're going to go
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back to the nomenclature of carry or battle groups whether they're battleship battle groups or carrier
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battle groups but we're going to be into this mindset of we're fighting wars at sea and so what
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i would like to hear from the secretary of the war in the future is he always talks about the warrior
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ethos which is very important for the the war department let's start talking about what is
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the warrior ethos mean in the naval and maritime arena because it's not the same as in the land
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arena with grunts going ashore or grunts running around in the desert of the jungles and fighting
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land war there is a warrior ethos at sea and that needs to be built as well and i think the secretary
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of navy and this new leadership will get around to that but that needs to be discussed as well and then
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obviously the big thing is the people to be able to build this so the president was asked that question
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he was asked if you looked at all those questions 80 90 of the questions had nothing to do with what
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this press conference is about which is kind of typical but it shows you how this nation and our
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reporters and the press don't understand naval warfare at all so we have more education to do with
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the press to get them to focus on what this is all about and one question was what about people
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where are you going to get the workforce and so one of the things that we can do is we can get the
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veterans administration to start opening up avenues for veterans to be able to go back and get
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you know shipbuilding welding those kind of degrees on their gi bills and things of that nature that kind
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of creativity along with using artificial intelligence and robotics so we're going to need people as the
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president said and we're going to need smart to use our construction techniques to the new 21st century
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like we see the chinese doing we need to get on board with those kind of building tactics and
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techniques and and procedures so there's a lot of work to be done i'm very excited this is exactly
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what i've been asking for i'm very very happy it's an early christmas present but we need to make
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sure that we execute so it's all about like you say i two two two two two things i i love the fact
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he said surface warfare officer of course we've talked many times i've told the audience the
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president loves victory at sea he mentioned that they're uh getting back i actually love the fact
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and already some of my shipmates uh on the paul f foster i'd love the fact he's naming it the uss
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defiant uh they're they're still you know saying hey we ought to name them after naval heroes and i
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realize there's a lot of room for that but i kind of got turned off when they started naming them
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after u.s senators and quite frankly i'm not a huge believer in even naming the carriers after
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presidents i think you ought to you know when i was in the service there was the kitty hawk in the
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yorktown and lexington right you had these uh tremendous uh uh carriers uh of lineage so um i'm old
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school that way we've had a we got to face facts though we've had a terrible track record the
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united states navy and particularly the combatants we've had a terrible track record
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i don't know 20 last 20 25 years we built the littoral ships we've had classes of uh i think
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it's friggin's a cruiser that just don't work it's like we lost our ability as a maritime power we lost
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our ability to actually be naval engineers naval architects to actually construct these and some
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have been told disasters even the concept that littoral ships correct me if you're wrong they were
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kind of built uh for the close-end warfare around the china coast and they've turned out to be an
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absolute disaster do you still have confidence given the quite frankly the the suboptimal track record
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of the navy and the defense department and the american shipbuilding community to actually build
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cutting-edge combatants sir i think we have the engineers that can build that can design these
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things and do them uh but i think what needs to happen and what hasn't happened over the last
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30 years with the littoral combat ship and the zone wall class and the failures with the ford to get her
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out it took over a decade and and the consolation class those failures are are horrific and guess what
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nobody paid a price for it so what the president and the secretary of the navy need to say to these
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folks at nav c and and and these other organizations inside the navy hey you have to get this done and
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if you don't produce and if you start doing the your typical cost overruns and adding on this and
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adding on that and trying to delay this you're out we need people to produce and we don't need
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excuses anymore so it's time for people to perform inside the navy architecture and if they don't perform
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then they got to get rid of them just like general marshall got rid of the non-performers before
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world war ii inside the army it has to happen we can't just let me pass people along anymore it's not
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it's not acceptable to take a kid and can't read and pass them on to high school out of grade school
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okay warfare is uh about choices and and hard choices here you've had the national strategy memo the
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national security strategy memo came out we're going to get pete's hexa secretary wards required
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by law i think in 30 days to put out the military context of that so we've we've have an overall
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strategy and it's quite different than we've had before i was very proud in president trump's first
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term we kind of put the global war and terror not on the back burner but kind of placed and talked
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about the great power struggle particularly with the chinese communist party it's first time it really
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been addressed like that now you've gone to even another cut of that where you're talking about
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hemispheric defense you know greenland uh the panama canal uh increase in navy uh europe's really
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back all the way to like i said page 29 of a 33 page document but there's trade-offs captain we we just
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passed an ndaa i think is roughly going to be if you add everything up over a trillion dollars defense
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budget we're running two trillion dollars a year in uh in deficits you've got you still got big army uh
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the marine corps is under tremendous pressure right now uh to to you know come up with a new mission
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they're all over the marines the great marine corps the air force has got requirements i mean you're
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going to have to make if you if you have this shipbuilding program and and i will tell you right
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now this announcement today struck less fear in the in our existential threat uh enemy in beijing
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than it did in the army in the air force senior cadre of officers in the pentagon because now they're
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going to be fighting for now they're going to be fighting for resources where are you going to
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make understanding we can't have we don't have an unlimited defense budget uh where do you think
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these change you know where where are we going to find the money oh it's it's easy there's a lot of
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legacy stuff we just read today that the the pentagon failed its eighth uh audit in the last eight years
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uh so we have fraud waste and abuse we have programs that don't need to be in existence today
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they're in mostly inside the land warfare arena so while we need to have a standing army we do not
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need to have the size and the scope of the army that we have today people and and you've mentioned it
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many many times on your show americans are not into invading other nations anymore we want to
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defend our homeland hemispheric defense and then we want to have the capacity to do that and that
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requires having a navy and our navy as i've mentioned over and over again has been gutted cut in half from
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1986 until today 600 ships to under 300 ships that's not acceptable so it's not a partisan thing to say
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zero out some of these army programs that's not partisan that is called national security so the
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president's going to have to get involved with some of these army folks and he's going to have to cut
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some of these programs and the scope of them because they're pouring billions into them and every time
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we take a billion out of an army program it's got to get pushed in to the shipbuilding program of the
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united states of america and as it was made known in this press conference today that in turn turns into
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jobs for americans all kinds of new jobs high paying jobs respectable jobs careers that can make
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people uh proud to be americans again and can build up our national security um so i think it's going to
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it's going to come across partisan and there's going to be a great as you said they're they're the ones
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that are probably worrying the most now uh and there'll be a pushback and a campaign we just saw
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general flynn's brother was interviewed on epic times in the last two weeks and he actually said
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i mean i don't know him personally i know general flynn respect him highly his brother as well but he
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actually said we got to quit looking at the western pacific as a blue theater it needs to be looked at
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as in kind of a an army centric way and we need to have the army they're leading on this that that's
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this respectfully that's not right and it's not true and the fight that the chinese have been
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building the military they've been building is a military to defeat our navy and we need to have
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a navy that can that can punch back against that and make sure that our western and eastern shores
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of the west coast of america and the atlantic because the chinese are pushing into the atlantic
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are not under assault from the chinese navy and if we don't do something now they will be like the
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soviets were in in the late 80s and they were having you know boomers sitting off our coast
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i will just tell you the like i said the biggest i have a lot of respect for general flynn's
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brother but the whole strategy of how you're going to go about it this is why the military
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strategy coming out from pete in the next week or two is so important to implement that some of the
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biggest fights you're going to have is in the pentagon amongst our own services i just remember
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when i was a young naval officer we went to the western pacific and then our second deployment we were
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in the persian gulf in the north arabian sea where the united states navy really had never been
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because of the hostage crisis uh that was a navy that was i don't know i think we had 270 ships
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it was the carter navy and i came back and went to work for the chief of naval operations uh 090 one of
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his deputies and we got the mandate from the president to build a 600 ship navy and the fights inside the
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pentagon because those resources the defense budget was going to increase but it was a huge fight
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for resources at the time it was pretty intense the one thing i remember though um captain is that
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the industrial base of the united states the american worker the we were still a superpower in
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manufacturing you had a highly educated workforce and i don't mean people that had college degrees
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and phds but i mean people had come up to a system of being artisans and craftsmen uh you you really had
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an industrial base i mean peter navarro is going to come on tomorrow talk about saving the philadelphia
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philadelphia naval shipyard you just don't have that today so where are you going to build these i
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mean how are you going to build this we're very good don't get me wrong at building submarines we're
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still by far the best in the world fast attack and ballistic missiles we can still build aircraft
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carriers although you mentioned i think the ford was a decade late in arriving in massive cost
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overruns just given the fact of our limitations and the fact that we just don't have the workforce
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that we used to have and the president you know president trump he's action action action he goes
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i want two in the next two years i'm i think we're ordering another nine or ten and eventually 25 of
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just this class and he's got a lot more ideas you can tell there where and how you're going to build
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these let's say you got the naval architects and the engineers so we don't make the mistakes we've had
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in these other classes i ship let's say you get that part done let's say you fight the fight you
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figure out where the resources how is the united states of america given what we've done to our
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workforce in our industrial base where are we going to build them well the shipyards have to be
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acquired so we need more shipyards one uh two um building ships the way we built ships in you know
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after the 1942 ocean navy act where you had you know rosie the riveter and welders and all these manual
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humans in the loop uh that those days are can be transformed with artificial intelligence and robotics
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and so one of the things that our shipbuilding industry is behind on lagging the rest of the
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world except for in specialty areas like you said in nuclear submarine production uh where there's still
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a lot of humans involved uh is we don't use that kind of latest technology and so we need to get
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the kind of the silicon valley arena into this arena of shipbuilding and bring them together to
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speed up that process so that we can have uh concurrent modular building in different locations
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and then have these things assembled by uh you know robots and and other things that can automate it
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so there's a lot of work uh to be done there i know that newport new shipyard has been working
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towards that over the last 10 years they've been in in looking at it but it needs to go into hyperdrive
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now and so i think this is one of the challenges it's it's not going to be easy uh but you know
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the first step on a journey or is always the first step so we need to get going uh we have the
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presidents put the you know put the guide on out there and we need to follow that and and start
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marching towards it or sailing towards it and uh and when people say we can't then identify what the
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can't is and then find the fix to that can't so we need a lot of can do people uh inside the system
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and uh that's going to be hard no question and we have tried in the past uh but at least under the
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first trump administration this time i think it's a different agenda now because it's very very clear
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that the chinese navy is the existential threat to america's national security and we need to have
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this fleet so and it sounded like from what i heard from the sec nap he has the he has the agenda of
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things that he that they haven't just come up with this on a a cocktail napkin back of the napkin
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no over the weekend this is something they've been thinking about for a year and uh you know just like
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the thing with the with the command ships we have numbered fleets as you know the seventh fleet is out
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in japan the sixth fleet is in europe in the middle uh in the mediterranean we have uh the fifth fleet
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in bahrain we have fourth fleet down in the in the latin america area with the new commander just
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announced but all of our all of our numbered fleets used to be afloat when i joined the navy
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today the only really afloat numbered fleet is seventh now six the guys in the med will get upset
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the the six sometimes goes to sea but really only the one fleet that was afloat was the seventh fleet
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but it's on a the oldest ship in the navy the uss blue ridge is over 50 years old so what i just heard
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was we're gonna we're gonna go back and make these battleships our floating command ships we're gonna
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put our numbered fleet commanders back at sea we're gonna we're gonna change the culture of the navy and
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as you change the culture of the navy that demand signal is going to get directly translated across
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into the shipbuilding industry and our engineers and things of that nature so that's part of this
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is to energize the guys and gals that are afloat to have them have the kind of the the lead on this
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is what we need this is why we need it and let's get it done now and i don't think we've had that for
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quite some time it's all been done inside the beltway coming up with the best solutions for people
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that are out forward we need to reverse that yep my revered seventh fleet i was a member of that
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one time the fleet that's always uh always at sea uh captain finnell uh thank you so much i know you
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put articles up on american greatness where can people uh where can people get the articles
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uh yeah just i haven't had one up in american greatness for a couple weeks but
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if i write that's where it'll be otherwise i'm off the net okay okay sir captain finnell thank you so
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much for staying up late and join us here for the president's big announcement thank you and merry
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christmas merry christmas sir thank you natalie winters joins us natalie first i'm going to ask
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you you're you're the you're our beijing watcher um this announcement that president trump and it's
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deeper than just a class of ships you can tell with a with a huge armada off the coast of venezuela
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the president then announces today for mar-a-lago which with pete and and and marco there they thought
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it was going to be we're going to have a christmas bombing of uh caracas uh how do you think
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this is viewed in beijing right now given the tensions between the two given what we're doing
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on ai uh how do you think beijing because i can tell you right now in the pentagon the army and the
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navy or the army and the air force are absolutely furious and there's going to be a massive fight
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inside the building about the allocation of resources what do you think what do you think's
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happening in beijing well look i think this is a rejection of managed decline and i think this is
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a vertical that the chinese communist party has a significant and severe upper hand on and the fact
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that the pentagon the fact that president trump is so i think vocally trying to push back against that
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and evidently shepherding resources we got the rhetoric i think we need to make sure that we
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follow through on this is something that's certainly going to cause i would say fear there i think i would
00:24:45.080
probably tack this on to what the 11.1 billion dollar weapons package that was sent over to taiwan
00:24:50.860
to obviously anything going on from a naval or sea perspective has to do with that area um but i think
00:24:57.520
that to really accurately depict the picture of how advanced china is in terms of the numbers of ships that
00:25:05.280
they have there's some really compelling statistics that i think the audience should should hear
00:25:10.480
if you do it by whole count um just for military vessels china currently outnumbers there at around
00:25:17.620
370 the united states is at around 290 obviously the united states so it goes with tonnage or
00:25:23.920
displacement is the metric where we definitely trounce the chinese communist party when when it comes to
00:25:29.380
that but the sort of secret with all of those statistics is that that only counts military ships
00:25:35.800
that doesn't count civilian ships coast guard vessels and we obviously know that china operates
00:25:41.260
very heavily under military civil fusion and as you say i'm a beijing watcher it was not too long ago i
00:25:47.340
was in hong kong and i was watching from the window of the hotel over in the harbor a ship rolling in
00:25:53.360
where i turn i was like um is china like invading because it looked like a battleship that was just
00:25:59.560
coming in to you know just an average area of hong kong and it was just a coast guard ship point
00:26:04.960
being that every single chinese vessel that is created it's not just that they're retrofitted but
00:26:10.320
they're created to have military standards so they can at any point they're essentially dormant military
00:26:15.960
vessels much like all of their state-owned enterprises and any company is there can be flipped on and turned
00:26:21.180
into you know a ship that is engaged in war and when you really broaden out the comparison of how many
00:26:28.680
ships we have versus what china has it really is more of an outpacing of about one u.s ship to every
00:26:34.400
20 chinese ships and that number only expands when you start to add more and more whether it's just
00:26:39.960
you know surface combatants and then when you broaden it out to coast guard vessels and i also
00:26:45.240
think that it's really quite concerning when you look at commercial shipping too china accounts for 50
00:26:50.840
to 55 percent of global shipbuilding tonnage where the united states is at 0.2 percent and the united
00:26:57.700
states has lost 70 percent of its shipyards since the cold war building about what was i think one ship
00:27:04.740
every three days during world war ii now it takes us i don't even know how long to get a ship because
00:27:10.620
the defense primes are just busy sucking up money and not showing anything to in return so the fact that
00:27:17.480
the trump administration is choosing to go after this i think is a very serious tell that they mean
00:27:25.680
business again this is just rhetoric we need to see it backed up um but this is i think an area that
00:27:32.820
china has really focused on and deployed resources to become dominant and we've seen it certainly in
00:27:37.580
the last few years really making sure all their supply chains in this realm are domestic and at home
00:27:43.300
and not at the whim or the mercy of the united states or the rest of the world but i also think that this
00:27:48.420
is very important as we get closer to 2027 often that that year is misquoted is when xi jinping wants
00:27:56.240
to invade taiwan that's just by when they think they can and i think that when you talk about what's
00:28:02.040
going on with the navy at the sea that that is the area that at least we should be talking about i know
00:28:07.220
there's a lot of focus on venezuela but that's what's more important and the last thing i would say
00:28:12.380
because i do think that when you talk about where the flashpoint for the kinetic component of world war
00:28:18.020
three is going to break out sure you could make the case it's ukraine you could make the case it's
00:28:21.240
the middle east you could make the case it's a lot earlier than that but if that maybe the next
00:28:25.380
flashpoint is going to be taiwan i think it's important to understand the political dynamics
00:28:29.940
at home right now in china which is though xi jinping is very strong what he fears most is a military
00:28:36.200
coup or a military takeover and what would i think really create that is if a invasion of taiwan that
00:28:43.700
is supposed to be very stealth and quick did not actually happen basically what you saw
00:28:47.660
happening in russia and ukraine a long protracted conflict is only going to give the chinese
00:28:52.580
generals that he has been purging over time at a level like we've never seen um this sort of you
00:28:59.260
know pretext um in the conditions to seize power from him so that's why what's going on from a military
00:29:07.480
perspective with regard to the buildup in taiwan is so important because it's not just that it affects
00:29:13.100
u.s china relations i think domestically that is the most powerful kind of arrow in the quiver
00:29:19.580
where you could see any movement on xi jinping you know i think that this is part of this was the
00:29:26.660
statement that we're not only just take it seriously we're going to get out of the littoral
00:29:30.580
ship business and we're going to get i mean president trump was as aggressive as you possibly
00:29:34.100
about combatants we're gonna make these flagships etc so you did a you did a tour both southeast
00:29:39.480
asia and then you had the taiwan and the amazing interview you did for the audience because i don't
00:29:45.480
think people in the states understand that the specter of china of the ccp is all over southeast
00:29:51.160
asia and obviously it's something they think about in non-stop in taiwan just tell our audience how
00:29:57.160
almost overwhelming is the chinese potential projection of power in that entire region of the
00:30:02.320
world well let's start with taiwan i mean what we talk about here right the gray zone warfare the
00:30:10.580
hybrid warfare i mean that is the lived reality of of the taiwanese people every single day and i think
00:30:17.320
that the sort of prevailing consensus my kind of assessment too from having spent time there is that
00:30:24.380
the chinese communist party sees that as probably the most viable path forward to take over taiwan because
00:30:29.740
the question is essentially how would the united states get involved if they were to blockade or do
00:30:35.080
anything um sort of more in that realm as opposed to outright kinetic conflict also of course with
00:30:41.460
you know mainland china viewing taiwan as a part of it's not necessarily in their interest to go and
00:30:45.980
kill millions of taiwanese people and like i said i i do think the largest factor that's keeping
00:30:51.360
xi jinping from doing that is the belief that if it's not a swift victory he really threatens his own
00:30:57.680
political dominance um and ascension so the fact that the united states is is building up is probably
00:31:04.780
really one of the strongest deterrent factors that you see going on there um but the disinformation
00:31:10.900
campaigns the manipulation the cyber attacks everything that they are doing in taiwan i would
00:31:16.660
describe it as a test run or a battleground sort of a petri dish for what they want to do in the united
00:31:21.860
states all the way down to election interference hacking election machines toying with candidates
00:31:27.340
essentially buying off entire political parties making it so you know political candidates over
00:31:33.280
there are actively opposed to taiwan being able to defend itself so the political warfare there has
00:31:38.880
progressed so much further than than what we've seen here which is why i take such an interest in it
00:31:43.660
and i think it's incumbent upon us to learn what is going on over there because if we don't fight to
00:31:49.000
keep out prc influence here that is what america's future will look like um throughout the broader
00:31:55.200
southeast asia asia region which i've now spent a lot of time in over the last few months i mean
00:32:01.100
china china owns it i mean it's perhaps that's a bleak you know black-pilled take um but we've spent so
00:32:09.660
long here right that was always sort of my favorite refrain from my uh my legacy media betters over at the
00:32:15.320
white house that dismantling usa id was coming after american soft power the not so secretive secret in in
00:32:23.520
the room with the room being the world abroad is that american soft power has been kind of absent for
00:32:29.480
a while and american soft power is exporting ideologies that the people on the ground there do
00:32:36.260
not support do not believe in meanwhile china is dealing in belt and road infrastructure ports
00:32:42.200
stealing technology basically importing their people to these third world countries and taking over
00:32:48.740
the entire economy essentially hacking not just the critical infrastructure but the entire economy
00:32:53.940
cultures and societies of dozens dozens of countries even countries in europe have signed on
00:32:59.820
um to belt and road and i mean you see it i mean i'd encourage people to to actually go over there even
00:33:06.140
you you see it in an hour drive whether it's the countryside or the most urban areas all of the new
00:33:11.940
construction projects that are going on it's all chinese money the rare earth mines that are being built
00:33:17.320
even in countries like lao which of course border china but there's you know negligible infrastructure
00:33:22.640
there it's all chinese and the businesses that are running it they're all chinese they're importing
00:33:28.020
chinese people to do the work short of it being you know the slave conditions that they have the you know
00:33:34.360
native population working in um but it it really is quite alarming and deafening to see the kind of
00:33:44.400
bleak thucydides trap mindset and action whereby it is a world in which china replaces the united states
00:33:51.520
as the rolling kind of global hegemon um but it's moves like this that give you a little bit of hope
00:33:57.580
that we can push back um but we should not underestimate the pace and rapidity and the
00:34:03.820
iron fist for lack of a better word that china is moving with
00:34:07.000
natalie hang on because i want to you wrote a piece on your substack that we didn't really have
00:34:13.620
time to fully develop plus there's this piece in the new york times about young people and h1b visas
00:34:17.800
it's the whole question of have we tightened up enough i mean people i think are going to be shocked
00:34:22.360
by your report about this uh what health and human services with the right hand is trying to undo
00:34:28.500
with what stephen miller and others uh are trying christy noem are trying trying to get done on on uh
00:34:35.620
this uh on this still what i call illegal legal immigration or these refugees which is just
00:34:42.740
outrageous at the same time this young generation is waking up to the fact that h1b visas and who's
00:34:48.140
stealing their jobs natalie winters is going to be with us after the break also admiral sonny masso
00:34:53.860
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00:38:06.400
don't think we had enough time to develop we did have you on about about the leakage kind of in the
00:38:10.600
system the right hand's undoing what the left hand's doing about refugees and now you have hhs
00:38:15.720
or paying for a whole program at the same time there's a there's a very important piece in the
00:38:20.240
new york times i want to show grace and mo uh help push it out to all our force multipliers about um
00:38:27.180
the younger generation waking up to the fact of h1bs and and you are all over the article
00:38:32.740
and the worms all over the article because we've been at the forefront of fighting this and i think you
00:38:37.320
may i think your your thing is that hey i think young people have been awake in this before now
00:38:41.940
but compared because it's so frustrating when you read your investigative report
00:38:47.180
on the refugee situation which more billions of dollars going into this this fiasco which they
00:38:52.380
all got to be shipped out of here and you see these young people once again having to bear the brunt
00:38:58.060
of this h1b scam ma'am well this new york times article is quite interesting we'll give them credit
00:39:06.240
for identifying war room is one of the uh the top and most influential podcasts in the country but i
00:39:11.420
think that's about where their correct assessments and um i love how the legacy media always does this
00:39:17.080
thing where they pretend like nothing is an issue until they finally cover it and then once they cover
00:39:21.500
it they're like wow all these people suddenly care about this random issue that in reality it's been
00:39:26.500
what has animated americans for decades it's sort of the you know trumpian escalator effect where it's like
00:39:32.800
no the republican base would have always voted for a candidate that cared to cease all immigration
00:39:38.460
it's just they never were actually presented the chance so i would humbly tell the new york times that
00:39:44.760
you should put your article through the fact check process again because you're extremely wrong to
00:39:49.640
suggest that young americans are just now let alone all americans starting to care about the h1b
00:39:54.740
visa thing it's not just some trend issue or some fad issue it's something that gets to the core
00:40:00.680
of what right-wing populism of what trumpism about which is the idea of what does it mean to be an
00:40:05.240
american citizen steve i know you've talked about the idea of maximizing the value of american
00:40:10.400
citizenship but i think maybe we should just settle on the fact that your government should not be
00:40:14.920
actively working to suppress your wages replace you and destroy your culture let alone with some
00:40:21.040
third world third rate inferior foreign speaking culture that has absolutely nothing in common
00:40:26.320
with what we value here in the united states um but i think the interesting angle that they really
00:40:31.480
hook onto is how it's young americans particularly having a kind of bleak economic future but i think
00:40:38.100
the most important part of that steve is what you're talking about is the kids who who do everything
00:40:43.260
right you know what i mean the kids who study as hard as they can only to be rejected from their dream
00:40:48.760
school because they were born a straight white male the kids who do everything right and go to the top
00:40:54.940
colleges which you know having been to one i can tell you you don't learn anything there that's
00:40:58.920
that's worth anything you have to unlearn everything that you learn or just go go work for steve bannon
00:41:03.500
instead that's the path i took um but the kids who go there and study really really hard you know
00:41:08.480
they're turned over for their job at the top firm that they want to go to because they're being
00:41:12.740
replaced by some foreigners and when you look at the statistics of how many americans hold degrees in
00:41:17.200
these advanced fields and how many of them are actually working in them it's like upwards of 50 percent of
00:41:21.760
people who can't even get jobs in these industries yet we're continuing to graduate year after year
00:41:26.500
thousands of people in these fields when there's already a shortage of jobs so i think it's the idea
00:41:31.980
of the good faith american spirit of wanting to do everything right and then your government is making
00:41:37.560
it as such that you literally cannot get a job where young men cannot feel like they can support a
00:41:42.940
family so the new york times obviously they totally missed the forest for the trees but i do think it's
00:41:48.940
interesting that they're finally dabbling and covering this issue because that's how you know
00:41:53.560
that you're starting to hit the critical point where even the legacy media can't ignore it and i also
00:41:58.960
think to sort of link this to what you were talking about the piece that i broke it just shows you how
00:42:03.620
systemic this issue is and frankly the corruption and perversion of what is i think the american civic
00:42:10.740
spirit and idea of community which is first and foremost helping americans putting americans first america
00:42:17.880
first can be humanized as putting americans first and i'm all for helping people but we can't continue
00:42:24.200
to help people from countries who when they get here they don't assimilate and frankly i would take even
00:42:30.580
one percent assimilation we're talking about people that actively hate this country and are committing
00:42:35.100
fraud to the tune of billions of dollars more than the gdp of the country that they came from and i'm
00:42:42.040
looking at you somalia and minnesota and specifically in regard to minnesota the story at the meta level
00:42:49.060
of what i broke is that the office of refugee resettlement which is under the purview of hhs so
00:42:55.060
make sure you tag rfk and anyone who works there on twitter we got to get this story out but they have
00:43:01.040
been deploying as of september the end of september of this year millions of dollars of grants to very
00:43:07.780
far left organizations for refugee resettlement helping to naturalize give citizenship green cards
00:43:14.780
take your pick um to refugees illegal aliens it's sort of nebulous this is included in the united
00:43:20.780
states federal register as you know steve i spend my evenings reading the federal register and this was
00:43:26.380
tucked away in there frankly i think it's hypocritical as the trump administration is talking about how they
00:43:31.320
want to cease immigration um from every country obviously these are rogue bureaucrats doing just that going
00:43:37.180
rogue but we also need to be watching these people blaming the deep state kind of becomes old after a
00:43:43.220
while when we know that we're capable of fixing it because they're just admitting their plans in the
00:43:47.760
federal code that i found within a five minute you know search on the internet um but 2.5 million
00:43:53.740
dollars was given to the community sponsorship hub that's a group in st paul minnesota quite interesting
00:44:00.060
in light of all the fraud investigations we've seen going on there but that group in particular steve
00:44:06.420
is actually a partner of the biden state department though it was originally founded
00:44:11.440
as part of rockefeller philanthropy advisors it gets even better uh you have open society foundation
00:44:17.460
members on their board and all over their website they talk about actively opposing president trump and his
00:44:24.560
immigration restrictionist agenda um but apparently these are people that we are giving millions of
00:44:29.780
dollars to not just to support their organization but to literally help third world refugees that are
00:44:35.800
likely committing fraud um become citizens or stay here longer then this is really going to make the
00:44:42.020
audience i aghast so buckle up for this one this audience is obviously very well aware of catholic
00:44:48.300
charities no shade to the catholics no shade to charity but this is not a charity this is a basically i mean
00:44:54.820
can we call it a human trafficking organization that is responsible for facilitating mass migration and
00:45:00.340
right 4.5 million dollars to catholic charities to help disseminate migrants throughout the entire
00:45:07.180
u.s as as i said running through september of this year to september of next year 4.5 million dollars to
00:45:14.140
the left wing tip of the spear of refugee movement our hhs through the office of refugee resettlement
00:45:21.900
natalie where do we go i want to make sure we push that over to the guys at hhs i mean this is the problem
00:45:29.100
you got some people you know there's another big raid today we'll have more discussion on this
00:45:32.480
tomorrow what they're finding out people are talking about it's nine billion dollars it's eighteen
00:45:35.700
billion dollars yet you still have parts of the government you're right it's like the thing's so
00:45:40.480
vast to to to organize that you've got these bureaucrats that continue to feed their buddies
00:45:45.500
at whether it's you know lutheran charities or catholic charities or the or the jewish group to work
00:45:50.140
down on the border uh on all these resettlement scams and it's got to stop all of it's got to stop and
00:45:55.220
i realize steven miller and these guys are overwhelmed with what they're trying to do but
00:45:58.820
that's why somebody's got to go through here and say guys if we're going to stop what's happening
00:46:02.660
in minnesota we got to stop what's happening in minnesota where did they go to get this to to push
00:46:07.140
it out ma'am i can go to nataliegwinters.substack.com it's the most recent article i published or you can
00:46:15.100
obviously go to my x anywhere else i have them linked but read the piece and share it and thank you
00:46:20.060
steve for having me on you had a wonderful speech at amfest i think you're going to beat mariah
00:46:23.800
carry on the charts with uh with that one if you if you don't get banned on spotify for posting it
00:46:29.060
ben shapiro the bride at every wedding natalie natalie g winters thank you so much thank you so
00:46:38.520
much for joining us tonight appreciate you natalie winters all over the ccp admiral sonny masso
00:46:45.460
ever we always have admiral masso on here about naval strategy he's got the historical society building
00:46:51.360
the museum so admiral you're a surface warfare officer uh the sir it's not that the navy we got
00:46:57.800
about 10 minutes here i want you to take your time on this it's not that the navy hasn't tried to
00:47:02.440
deal with the surface navy you've had the littoral combat ship you've had the zumball class thing you
00:47:07.620
got the what the constitution class the the aircraft carrier the ford i think was 10 years out
00:47:12.680
why is this announcement today so important given particularly the current history of where our
00:47:18.580
shipbuilding program has been sir well uh thank you for the opportunity to comment on this and
00:47:25.560
we are so excited about the golden fleet uh what what is profound about this is that uh over the past
00:47:33.340
20 years or so i think the navy's been timid in uh asking for what they needed more than for just
00:47:42.000
settling for something that that was just as good uh so i i think the announcement that the president
00:47:49.480
made with respect to the battleship and and everything else is is so spot on and i'd like to
00:47:55.540
give some credit to the director of the omb uh mr russell vote because he is a champion and and he has
00:48:03.720
been inspired by our president but in addition he's assembled a really quality team of experts including a
00:48:11.600
gentleman named jerry hendrix he's written some amazing books and he's a real strategist elbridge
00:48:17.300
colby who's a friend of your program but uh for us this this is something that uh is very exciting to us
00:48:25.900
on so many levels to extend even to the deal the president brokered with finland to help us in the
00:48:33.920
icebreaker business we are icebreakers were coast guard ships polar sea polar star they were more than
00:48:41.300
65 years old they were tired girls did god's work for a continuous amount of time but uh the fins are
00:48:48.660
going to build us 11 and uh and that's going to be exactly what we need uh to do the things that we
00:48:55.020
need to do as a navy particularly uh up in the pole
00:48:58.880
uh sonny one thing was i struck struck me from mar-a-lago is and i know you and i have talked
00:49:06.220
about this a lot the president's a big fan of the samuel elliott morris and victory at sea that whole
00:49:10.940
thing he he knows this very intimately he's he's a student of kind of naval uh naval uh military history
00:49:18.340
um he was very aggressive in language i mean these are going to be steel hauled as you know the the
00:49:24.980
ship i served on you with our first ship was aluminum you could put put probably a 30-06 through
00:49:29.540
it i mean this was like a throwback to the old navy i've kind of felt like i was listening to
00:49:34.760
admiral nelson there i mean the president could not have been more aggressive about the war fighting
00:49:39.120
capability the combatant capability of this including talking about you know putting the fleets the
00:49:44.500
numbered fleets on these ships as as a float uh command ships your thoughts well you know again as
00:49:52.640
you said it was inspirational and again the navy uh was afraid to ask for something as robust but as
00:50:00.560
necessary uh as this new battleship and command and control platform might be and one of the things
00:50:07.420
that was very inspirational was that he gets okay he gets the fact that uh new weapon systems and thus
00:50:16.020
new propulsion systems on our ships have to be uh designed and and developed so we're talking about
00:50:23.700
bringing hypersonic missiles we're talking about rail gun we're talking about laser guided missiles that
00:50:31.380
will be propelled or given the power generation from uh electric drive propulsions and some unique
00:50:39.220
ways forward so that just as our you know 50 years ago when we when we were on the paula foster the
00:50:46.420
transition was from uh 1200 pound steam to gas turbine and so i think you know we'll see a heuristic
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approach in propulsion which will allow us to uh fight with new weapons that that are very capable
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and we'll be able to solve a multitude of problems uh i know that there have been some naval
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architects and i want to say from some big 10 schools maybe michigan comes to mind but what
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they're looking at is a unit sail away price on these vessels for somewhere between four and four
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and a half billion dollars and um the way that i i really am enamored with the president's vision
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is we're going to lay it out and we're not going to change it ten thousand times we're not going to
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send it to some smaller shipyard that that has never built a ship of this nature before so we'll
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probably be laser focused on uh huntington angles general dynamics maybe bath ironworks but uh i i think
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that we're we're thinking all of the right strategies to prevent issues in the gulf gulf of uh hormuz or
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uh taiwan straits uh some of those locales this this is going to be a game changer for our navy
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i just hope that uh we can get this moving along smartly so that it doesn't lose its energy at the
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end of his uh end of his present term well you know um as you know the president this is his baby so
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he's running with it uh sunny just share with the art you served on joint commands i said earlier i
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think that the uh the the fear in the heart that they that this announcement put in beijing
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is only uh greater in the air force in the uh in the army uh parts of the e-ring in the pentagon
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right now because there's going to be a massive fight on the allocation of resources give us your
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best thoughts on that sir well you know i'm not gonna i'm not gonna disabuse the notion that maybe we
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have too many four stars and you know they they do sort of bump into each other in the in the field
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um i'm not i don't i'm i'm reluctant to suggest you know what what should be reduced from a four or
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three-star job but uh it gets crowded in all the combatant command staffs a number of years ago we uh
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we took out the joint forces command it used to be the atlanta united states atlantic command
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and it became joint forces command and we sort of uh other than a couple of functions we sort of
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stood that down and i don't think anybody missed a thing and i would and i served in um ucom centcom
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uh i haven't the one about the only one was south and northcom i haven't served but i've been uh
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you know a part of staffs and all these uh locales and i i don't i you know i'm scratching my head
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wondering uh why that's a bad thing to do uh honestly do you think that do you think the
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scramble for resources i mean where are we going to get uh where are you going to are you going to
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take this out of the air force you're going to take it out of the navy's existing budget you're
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going to take it out of the army how do you actually pay for this this because he's talking
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about ordering 25 ships right i think an initial order that's coming right away with another nine
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yeah uh where will it where will it come from uh i honestly don't know but i will say that
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probably uh in reality it'll be a reallocation when i was the commander of the bureau of naval
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personnel whenever we would get these pay raises you know they sounded great on paper you know we're
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going to increase pay 2.5 percent and we've all be celebrating spiking the ball in the end zone but then
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uh they would come back to me saying well we got to take it out of hide they're not giving us the
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money for this we have to find it where it where it is so i think there will be some re-priorities
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now i do know that there will be some heavy investments as there should be in the cyber domain
00:54:50.180
space com uh general salzman has been probably one of our great leaders uh standing up that organization
00:54:57.940
and uh regrettably he's going to be leaving here in a under a year but uh they uh they likely will
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make an allocation from i think the army will probably see this uh as a hit uh the navy is going
00:55:14.260
to have to redefine you know some of their priorities because i think some of that money is going to come
00:55:18.980
from there and uh and they're going to have to carefully look at uh research and development
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budgets and things of that nature and hopefully uh with an eye toward acceleration of of doing
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this faster rather than slower um you know i i i think that that that this could really be a game
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changer for our our national defense i didn't really answer your question i don't really because
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because i don't know but um but i i i do believe everyone's going to contribute but the navy is going to
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be hit the hardest yeah i think the i think the key it's called the trump class and president's
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going to want action before we go give us a minute or so on uh you have talk talk about the the navy
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museum what you're working on for the historical uh society well thanks very much uh you know we could
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use a little bit more support from the navy uh senior leadership but uh we've got an amazing plan
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to build a museum uh and open the doors around uh 2030 time frame in the in the dc area and uh and
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we're we've got a number of amazing folks who've contributed already the taylor family from enterprise
00:56:33.780
rental car uh he he uh jack taylor served in the battle of midway and uh they've bequeathed a lot of
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great uh artifacts for us from the that he's collected from the battle of midway uh dr coke
00:56:49.300
dr bill coke uh he's his passion is the war of 1812 and he's bequeathed an 85 million dollar
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artifact collection that we're very happy to receive so so what we want to do is tell stories about these
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events but in addition we want to get into the community and enhance education of high school students
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sonny where do people go tell us where you get to youtube we got about 30 seconds your youtube and
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where you go find out more about the museum yeah the naval museum development foundation dot org nmdf.org
00:57:24.660
you can donate you can find out more uh we're real excited very excited and uh it's going to be
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something everyone's going to be very proud of sir sonny thank you so much we're going to have you back
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on and talk about uh the venezuela attack maybe right after christmas or the proposed
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with an armada yes sir thank you sir merry christmas sonny god bless mo tell mo got yeah
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tell mo i sent my my love too thank you sir appreciate you we'll be back at 10 a.m eastern
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standard time it's going to be packed tomorrow ready we're already booked it's going to be uh and
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we're also going to be in both the vatican and bethlehem on new year's eve right here in the world
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what happened so we had to blow that first seven minute break to go in the battleground
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yeah i noticed that i noticed when i looked up i said yeah i have not the time right i looked up it
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oh that's why that thing's so long because we know it started