Bannon's War Room - December 24, 2025


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Episode Stats

Length

50 minutes

Words per Minute

165.2805

Word Count

8,320

Sentence Count

538

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary

In this episode of War Room, host Steve Kambain sits down with the CEO of Meriwether Farms, Catherine O Neill, to talk about her decision not to run for Congress in the midterms and why she thinks it s a smart move.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:20.500 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:24.480 I've got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:30.100 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:32.080 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:33.500 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:36.140 It's going to happen.
00:00:37.400 And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:00:40.800 Mega Media.
00:00:42.200 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:47.560 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:50.700 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:57.720 War Room.
00:00:58.560 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:01:00.620 Bannon.
00:01:05.720 Tuesday, 23 December, Year of the Lord, 2025.
00:01:08.800 Catherine O'Neill, because you started a company, the company's on fire, and we need entrepreneurs,
00:01:14.500 particularly your generation.
00:01:15.740 We need hundreds of thousands of them.
00:01:17.680 And you're going to stick with the company and not go and jump in a congressional race.
00:01:23.700 Also, I guess the Duma is not the most exciting place for a young entrepreneur like yourself
00:01:28.760 to spend your time.
00:01:29.580 But tell us about the company, particularly.
00:01:31.940 I mean, we can't sell any more beef because all the subscription people take it off.
00:01:36.320 So people want to support you.
00:01:38.960 They love the product.
00:01:39.900 Where do they go?
00:01:40.620 And what is even available to buy?
00:01:43.660 Absolutely.
00:01:44.400 Thanks, Steve, for having me.
00:01:45.740 As you know, I'm the CEO of Meriwether Farms.
00:01:48.180 Just very happy to be out west running this amazing business with some really incredible
00:01:55.320 people that we have working for us.
00:01:58.260 So we are actually sold out of stakes for the year, thanks to you guys for your loyalty.
00:02:05.500 We've had a surge in subscribers this year, monthly subscribers.
00:02:09.740 So our first priority is taking care of those people that subscribe monthly.
00:02:14.700 But we do have a special today on our tallow, cooking tallow.
00:02:21.520 So if you go to the site, meriwetherfarms.com, you'll see right on the homepage two different
00:02:28.900 sizes of tallow jars.
00:02:31.820 And you can use code word war room for 25, 20% off.
00:02:37.680 This is an amazing product.
00:02:39.580 I use it every single day when I cook.
00:02:42.200 His great flavors adds great flavor to your whatever you're cooking.
00:02:47.180 It has a super high smoke point.
00:02:49.400 It's way healthier for you than, you know, any seed oils or other oils.
00:02:54.520 So meriwetherfarms.com, go to the homepage and you'll see the tallow right there.
00:03:00.400 And you can use code war room for 20% off.
00:03:07.120 Where do they go?
00:03:07.960 I want them to spend time with the rest of the site when stuff frees up so they can get
00:03:11.680 into the subscriptions or some of the ground beef, all that.
00:03:15.140 So tell me about the website itself.
00:03:17.100 Because as you know, the posse loves details.
00:03:19.840 Yes, of course.
00:03:21.000 Yeah.
00:03:21.160 So most of the things you'll, unfortunately on our site, you'll see are sold out for the
00:03:25.080 year.
00:03:25.880 But don't, don't worry.
00:03:27.520 We'll, we'll be up and running in 2026.
00:03:29.860 And actually Steve, we have some really interesting and exciting new products coming in 2026.
00:03:36.600 So you can stay tuned for those.
00:03:39.020 We have some, well, I'll give you a sneak peek.
00:03:41.440 We have some bone broth coming.
00:03:43.780 We have some other tallow products.
00:03:46.300 Um, we have dog treats coming all made from our beef products.
00:03:51.740 So very exciting things down the pike.
00:03:54.620 So don't, don't worry about being sold out for now, but, uh, go to meriweatherfarms.com
00:04:01.500 and you can see the tallow deal right now on the home page.
00:04:05.480 As always, you can use the code war room for 20% off.
00:04:09.580 Ma'am, thank you so much.
00:04:13.220 And I think very wise decision.
00:04:14.780 This is one of the great little companies out there.
00:04:17.020 We need more entrepreneurs your age.
00:04:19.860 And I think it's a very smart decision.
00:04:21.240 No need to schlep back to Washington DC right now.
00:04:23.960 You honestly couldn't pay me enough to go back there.
00:04:28.380 Um, respectfully.
00:04:29.580 I love, I love president Trump and would do anything for him, but I am, you could not pay
00:04:35.240 me enough to go back, to go back to Washington DC.
00:04:38.580 So I'm very happy here.
00:04:39.980 No, you, you, my kid and my husband.
00:04:44.580 Yeah, you did your duty.
00:04:46.400 You did your duty.
00:04:47.180 Catherine O'Neill.
00:04:47.780 Thank you so much.
00:04:48.560 We're going to send everybody over to the site today.
00:04:50.520 Merry Christmas.
00:04:52.400 Bye.
00:04:55.600 Joe Allen.
00:04:56.480 Uh, I want to tee people up and particularly to get them over the next couple of days where
00:05:01.480 they can read and catch up, uh, a massive political fight.
00:05:05.620 As soon as we get back, I mean, it's already behind the scenes right now, but it's going
00:05:08.620 to burst into the foreground is a situation about artificial intelligence.
00:05:13.380 The numbers that came out today, you kind of hear it, you know, even EJ and Tony said
00:05:19.040 this productivity increases in this big GDP number is still to be seen if we're going
00:05:25.860 to have the wage increases that come along with a growing economy.
00:05:28.420 I think one of the reasons we may not be is that you're going to start to see the, the
00:05:33.200 artificial intelligence taking a bite.
00:05:35.160 My point is, is that this topic of AI, uh, the regulatory apparatus for AI, what the, uh,
00:05:42.420 what the four horsemen of doing the four horsemen of the apocalypse and the frontier labs, their
00:05:47.340 control, the national labs, all of it, these are going to be front burner political issues
00:05:51.080 for the country.
00:05:52.060 And then for 2026, what do you got for us, sir?
00:05:54.540 Well, Steve, returning to the America Act, I think this really is a huge step forward.
00:06:03.620 It's going to open up the conversation as to what the proper role of government is in
00:06:08.340 all of this.
00:06:09.240 You hear all the time from people like David Sachs, people like Marc Andreessen, to some
00:06:14.920 extent, Sam Altman, Elon Musk.
00:06:16.720 You hear that over-regulation will slow down the industry, patchwork of state laws will
00:06:24.640 cripple the industry and allow China to push ahead of us.
00:06:28.360 I don't really buy any of those arguments for the most part.
00:06:31.640 I can see some, uh, validity to the idea that if you had, say, California passing draconian
00:06:39.060 laws, that it could really impede, uh, the development of AI.
00:06:42.300 But personally, I don't care.
00:06:45.540 The thing is, it really doesn't.
00:06:47.220 Like, for instance, SB 53, which passed in California.
00:06:52.400 This is the framework for the Trump America AI Act in regard to risk assessment.
00:06:58.420 And it explicitly says that it's only frontier companies that'll be under the scrutiny.
00:07:04.500 In the case of California, their regulatory bodies, in the case of the Trump America Act
00:07:11.000 put forward by Senator Marsha Blackburn, it would be only frontier companies that are regularly
00:07:18.600 evaluated by OSTP, the Department of Energy, the Department of Homeland Security.
00:07:25.520 So the argument that this is going to cripple, like, small AI firms, that's just simply not
00:07:31.780 there.
00:07:32.120 That's something on, out in the future.
00:07:34.440 The argument that it would somehow slow down the frontier companies, to me, it's like,
00:07:38.280 do it.
00:07:40.180 Hang on.
00:07:40.700 Is that a loophole, though, that's too big?
00:07:44.120 I mean, we don't want to over-regulate, but you are, one of the things that they're talking
00:07:47.240 about, I guess, is the concept of the moat, but you're regulating the guys that are the
00:07:51.940 farthest out there, have the most capital, and are driving this.
00:07:56.500 But you are making a decision not to go off to little, little, smaller companies.
00:08:00.300 Part of that is just manpowering the ability to do it.
00:08:03.120 The other is this assumption that they can only get you in so much trouble, correct?
00:08:08.900 Are you comfortable with that loophole in this, what we're talking about, this federal
00:08:12.880 app arrest?
00:08:14.100 Then why are you comfortable?
00:08:16.360 You know, I don't see it as a loophole.
00:08:18.000 I see it really as, especially in regard to risk assessment.
00:08:21.740 I see it as something that, for the most part, leaves the smaller AI firms alone.
00:08:26.240 It allows, even, you know, a lot of my friends work in AI.
00:08:31.240 They work for small companies, and it won't really affect them in any way.
00:08:36.720 The larger companies, yes, they will have to regularly publish what their capabilities
00:08:41.760 are.
00:08:42.300 Yes, they'll have to regularly publish where they're getting their training data.
00:08:47.120 And that second part, to be transparent about where you're getting your training data, one
00:08:52.880 of the big arguments you hear about the downsides of AI is that any person, an artist, a filmmaking
00:09:01.240 company, anyone can have their data scooped up, fed into the AI system, and then someone
00:09:09.000 can simply use it to make a derivative work from that, basically copyright infringement,
00:09:14.500 you know, artwork theft, content theft.
00:09:18.340 And so, you know, I don't really see it as a loophole.
00:09:22.260 I see it as an attempt to hold these companies accountable for massive content theft and data
00:09:30.420 theft, for massive recklessness in regard to rolling out their product.
00:09:36.420 Three big things about, for instance, Blackburn's Trump America AI Act.
00:09:42.720 Number one, child protection.
00:09:44.980 It would demand the duty of care.
00:09:48.780 It would demand that these companies would have to evaluate their AI systems for foreseeable
00:09:55.420 risks.
00:09:56.080 And we know that those foreseeable risks include AI systems that coax children or adults into
00:10:04.800 suicide.
00:10:06.100 So it's a pretty reasonable thing to ask, for instance, that a car doesn't, you know, goad
00:10:13.000 you into driving off the road.
00:10:15.060 You know, if you had a car that constantly told you that it was time to drive off the
00:10:19.420 bridge, you would consider that a defective product.
00:10:21.940 And so it would just hold them up to that.
00:10:23.560 The second big part of it is copyright.
00:10:26.360 It simply states the Trump America AI Act, at least the framework, that you cannot publish
00:10:33.880 or your system cannot produce derivative works by artists, right?
00:10:39.040 So you can't have a company train on Star Wars and then make kind of a generic Star Wars
00:10:46.120 for anybody.
00:10:47.200 That's simply theft of copyrighted property.
00:10:51.000 And the third is the risk assessment.
00:10:53.780 Like, what are the dangers of these systems?
00:10:56.340 So that would be a system that would be able to tell a terrorist how to make a bioweapon.
00:11:00.780 It would be a system that was in charge of a critical piece of infrastructure that hallucinated
00:11:07.200 or had other kind of glitches that caused a massive catastrophic failure.
00:11:12.420 And I don't think that that's unreasonable either.
00:11:15.440 You'll hear from people like David Sachs, oh, these systems aren't really that powerful
00:11:19.420 or Marc Andreessen.
00:11:20.640 Oh, you know, all of these fears are overblown.
00:11:23.000 Well, if that's the case, then what does it matter if you have a regulatory body that's
00:11:28.160 overseeing this sort of thing?
00:11:29.780 If that's not a problem, then the regulatory body has nothing to find.
00:11:33.620 So yeah, this is, like I said, this is the beginning of a long, drawn-out fight.
00:11:39.280 And I think that it's a really positive step forward, even if the final kind of one federal
00:11:45.200 rule doesn't end up anything like Marsha Blackburn's framework.
00:11:49.800 One problem that we have, though, Steve, is that whatever ends up being this one federal
00:11:55.120 rule, it's not going to be implemented anytime soon.
00:11:59.100 I don't foresee, sometimes say in mid-2026, Blackburn's Trump America AI Act being passed.
00:12:07.240 The only way around that is to have states who move much more rapidly and respond much
00:12:14.620 better to their local communities, have states continue to pass their own laws.
00:12:19.460 And the possibility of Trump signing an executive order that would implement these rules.
00:12:32.060 Yes, but Ron DeSantis, the states are going to be a big part of the leverage here because
00:12:38.980 they're heading down the path and they're going to do it.
00:12:41.820 That's going to be part of the negotiations.
00:12:43.360 This gets down to, you know, Lincoln said, if you've got the popular consent of the people,
00:12:48.880 nothing can stop you.
00:12:51.160 The, I knew we had a winning hand here.
00:12:54.200 Now we've got to figure out, we're outgunned, you know, there's no money, there's no consultants,
00:12:59.660 there's no lawyers, the oligarchs have everything.
00:13:03.300 But two things have led me to think that we're not in terrible shape.
00:13:08.300 Number one, we won the two biggest fights.
00:13:10.860 Every time they've come up against the bulk of the populist movement, they've lost catastrophically.
00:13:17.280 And these guys aren't used to losing.
00:13:19.420 That's number one.
00:13:20.300 The first time they try to slide it in for the, into the big, beautiful bill, the AI amnesty.
00:13:24.940 The second is the one they try to get into the NDAA, which is a must pass piece of legislation.
00:13:29.900 And that even got a worse treatment.
00:13:31.140 They even put it to a vote.
00:13:31.960 They yanked it out after a couple of days of treatment by the war and posse.
00:13:36.480 The president's executive orders, I think a lot of people have told him, including people close to him,
00:13:40.420 not so sure how they can even be executed in court.
00:13:43.980 So you've got to mess right now with these states sitting there until we see what this federal, you know, regulatory apparatus is.
00:13:50.540 The other thing I know we're winning, you brilliantly eviscerated today, this poll put out by Tony Fabrizio.
00:13:57.340 Remember, Tony, I think in my mind is probably the most significant pollster for the president.
00:14:03.180 He was our pollster and he was the lead pollster in 16.
00:14:06.900 And Tony knows what he's doing.
00:14:08.640 He put those numbers out, which show, I think it's 90% of the American people.
00:14:12.700 This is a topic that unites Americans.
00:14:15.060 It's like, whoa, we got to slow down.
00:14:17.080 What exactly are we doing and how we're going to do it?
00:14:19.080 And, of course, they're putting this threat of the Chinese Communist Party up when they're selling them the chips.
00:14:24.680 They're giving them the education.
00:14:26.140 They're giving them the training.
00:14:27.360 They're sending them to Harvard, all of that.
00:14:29.120 We could shut the CCP down on this in a second.
00:14:31.940 But the overwhelming nature of it from the American people that wants at least some modicum of control on this and then to know that it was because if you read it, it sounds weird.
00:14:41.380 It sounds like the populist movement siding with the states against, oh, yes, certainly you need a federal regulatory apparatus.
00:14:48.780 Well, no, you guys wanted nothing.
00:14:50.800 Zero.
00:14:51.460 That's why we came up with the states.
00:14:54.280 That was just a leverage point.
00:14:55.880 Certainly, we've been arguing you've got to have one standard and you've got to hammer that standard out.
00:14:59.900 To know that Elon Musk, that his PAC or super PAC were paid for the pole and then paid for the Frubrezo kind of rewording of it to make it like, oh, yeah, well, the oligarchs are going to take care of you here.
00:15:11.480 No, they're not going to take care of anything.
00:15:12.840 If you're dependent upon them, that is the chicken.
00:15:16.280 That's the chicken in charge of the hen house.
00:15:19.580 So and the other reason I knew we had we were on the right side or the side of the angels is just following you around the country, whether you were going to these big tech, you know, meetings, all these technological, technological superstars or whether you're going to Hollywood and you're hanging out with celebrities or you're going to these simple little churches in the in the backwoods of America.
00:15:43.360 And everybody's kind of united and feeling like, hey, we got to get our arms around this.
00:15:48.020 So there that's why this is going to be a titanic battle, because the four horsemen are not they're going to pull every trick in the book to get their way, which is basically government financing, government guarantees, government secure on the debt.
00:16:02.140 All of it, because, you know, right now, the business model for the for A.I. doesn't quite look maybe as promising as it did 30 days ago.
00:16:09.960 So they're going to be looking for bailouts, guarantees, turning over weapons labs like they want all of it.
00:16:16.560 And and we got to make sure that we're there working with people that the American public cannot get screwed.
00:16:22.720 Joe Allen, your thoughts.
00:16:23.940 Yeah. You know, I think Brendan, Brendan Steinhauser of the Alliance for Secure A.I. put it best.
00:16:33.300 He's always told the reporters or audiences when I've been in attendance at his talks that they have the money, but we have the people on our side,
00:16:45.320 meaning that you have these tech oligarchs who are pouring at the at the moment, it looks like about 100 million plus into the leading the future pack to push pro A.I.
00:16:56.360 candidates and all the other cash flowing through the system to make sure that they come out smelling like a rose.
00:17:02.480 Whereas on our side of the aisle, it's mostly the popular will.
00:17:07.640 And in a republic, the popular will should win.
00:17:11.320 When you also do have some money potentially coming into our side, the public first pack, assuming that they can get everything moving,
00:17:21.720 they should be able to fund candidates who are willing to stand up to these companies.
00:17:28.000 Maybe to put it in Jim Morrison's terms, they got the guns, but we have the numbers.
00:17:32.780 And I think that without a doubt, if my experience traveling around, not just America, but also in conversations with people in Europe,
00:17:41.360 people are terrified of what these systems could do to their children, what they could do to their livelihoods,
00:17:48.720 what they could do to an enemy population, especially if you end up on the wrong side of it,
00:17:54.280 should these weapons systems turn out to be as effective as they're billed to be.
00:18:00.320 So the people don't want the future that these tech oligarchs are putting out there.
00:18:07.220 The laws will do a lot to slow that down.
00:18:10.340 The laws will do a lot to shield the most vulnerable and even the strongest among us should these systems get powerful enough.
00:18:17.380 But one thing that these laws will not do is stop the long-term goal of Elon Musk or Sam Altman or Dennis Asabas or Larry Page.
00:18:28.720 Those goals, the goals of creating human-level AI and replacing every worker from coders to white-collar to blue-collar
00:18:38.080 and to create a system that becomes the final authority on what is and isn't real,
00:18:43.600 those goals are only slowed down by the state.
00:18:46.800 It's possible that you cannot create such a system,
00:18:50.540 that such a system is not possible due to the laws of physics or the mechanics of the systems themselves.
00:18:57.100 Or it could be that we won't have enough resources to pour into it.
00:19:00.120 But one thing is for sure, that that is the final goal.
00:19:04.460 And for the most part, no American or any normal person around the world wants to see a future like that.
00:19:11.540 The only person who would want to have a future in which they were basically cradled by robots
00:19:17.100 and they become pets to the machine are the kind of blobs that you would find that seek out welfare.
00:19:24.080 It's simply not popular.
00:19:26.280 So, again, these laws are not perfect, whether they be the state level or the federal level.
00:19:32.280 But I do see them as both a way to keep these companies accountable,
00:19:38.020 to put up guardrails for the worst effects of what they're putting out,
00:19:41.700 and to mitigate some of the economic damage that is most likely going to occur.
00:19:47.420 But long term, it's going to take widespread will.
00:19:51.580 It's going to take the collective will of the people to say,
00:19:54.120 we do not want to live in a future like that,
00:19:57.040 either if they get the machines right and actually are able to replace people,
00:20:01.040 or what I see is most likely that they will shove it down the throats of every corporation they can.
00:20:07.240 They will integrate it into the military in every facet that they can,
00:20:10.700 into schools in every way they can.
00:20:12.760 And these systems simply won't live up to the promises.
00:20:15.920 If you think about children, I'll end on this.
00:20:19.020 If you think about this generation of children coming up right now,
00:20:22.700 who are told that machines will be able to do anything better than they can do,
00:20:27.980 they are demoralizing an entire generation of students.
00:20:31.920 And those students are expecting, those who believe the line,
00:20:35.680 are expecting that they aren't going to have an active role in the future.
00:20:40.140 If the systems work, well, then they won't have an active role.
00:20:43.580 But if these systems are not as good as human beings,
00:20:46.560 and I suspect that will be the case,
00:20:48.580 then you will end up with a huge swath of the young generation
00:20:51.960 who's not prepared to go into the world as an active participant.
00:20:56.600 They will have been told that everything's taken care of,
00:20:59.240 and then reality will smack them in the face.
00:21:01.760 And then for us, we'll be at the mercy of a young generation,
00:21:06.040 some 10, 20 years down the road, who's completely ineffective.
00:21:09.460 One way or the other, Steve.
00:21:11.780 I'm quite confident that the will of Americans will prevail,
00:21:16.500 but this is going to be a long, long fight, a lifetime fight.
00:21:21.960 Yeah, but it's going to start off hot in January.
00:21:25.380 And of course, Joe Allen and the worm are leading it,
00:21:28.440 and the worm posse is the muscle.
00:21:30.500 Joe, you're going to spend now your Christmas Eve with your mom.
00:21:34.960 We're going to let you go.
00:21:35.680 Can you give people where to go to get all your writings
00:21:38.300 in case they want to curl up with either your book
00:21:41.740 or some of your writings over the next couple of days?
00:21:44.540 But yeah, you can get the book.
00:21:45.900 You know, nothing like spending Christmas reading about the dark aeon.
00:21:49.400 You can get Dark Aeon, Transhumanism, and the War Against Humanity
00:21:52.760 anywhere books are sold.
00:21:54.500 I recommend bookshop.org.
00:21:56.900 I have an analysis, a review of the Trump America AI Act
00:22:01.440 up at jobot.xyz really quick.
00:22:04.680 It will give you a really good sense
00:22:06.220 of what the potential is for such legislation
00:22:08.960 and also what the long-term problems are that it doesn't address.
00:22:13.420 And of course, my social media slave chain,
00:22:15.640 at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.
00:22:18.860 Merry Christmas, Steve.
00:22:20.700 Merry Christmas, Joe Allen.
00:22:23.460 Good on you.
00:22:24.420 Say hi to your mom.
00:22:25.860 Joe Allen, fighting the good fight in our official intelligence.
00:22:28.780 I'm going to bifurcate the next interviewer.
00:22:30.240 Peter Kirby is going to join us,
00:22:31.460 an expert on geoengineering and all things chemtrails.
00:22:34.360 He's got a new book coming out from Skyhorse later in January.
00:22:37.880 And Peter Tietzel is going to join us
00:22:39.240 because this kind of, I guess,
00:22:41.180 emergency ruling came out of the Supreme Court today
00:22:43.260 on the president as the commander-in-chief.
00:22:46.220 I can tell you,
00:22:47.060 President Trump's not particularly happy about that.
00:22:49.300 We've got a couple minutes on this side.
00:22:51.200 So, Peter, this topic is so controversial.
00:22:54.280 Let's take geoengineering.
00:22:56.900 Can you explain just simply,
00:22:59.040 what is geoengineering?
00:23:00.920 Why has this become so controversial?
00:23:02.940 Like, who's in back of geoengineering?
00:23:04.620 Who's trying to do it?
00:23:06.020 It sounds, in many regards,
00:23:08.120 scarier than artificial intelligence.
00:23:10.040 The floor is yours, sir.
00:23:12.560 Well, Steve, thanks for having me.
00:23:15.200 It's an honor and a responsibility.
00:23:18.120 You know, there's a whole group of people
00:23:20.620 that inhabit many of the nation's
00:23:24.860 top academic institutions,
00:23:27.540 such as Harvard,
00:23:28.880 calling themselves geoengineers.
00:23:31.120 Now, geoengineering, of course,
00:23:33.760 if you know geo means earth
00:23:36.700 and then engineering means engineering.
00:23:38.720 So, we're talking about, you know,
00:23:41.140 changing the earth for strategic advantage
00:23:43.860 or to accomplish certain objectives.
00:23:46.420 Now, there's a lot of different things
00:23:49.580 that are encompassed in geoengineering.
00:23:53.000 There's, they talk about things like
00:23:56.180 laying surficants over lakes
00:23:58.740 or sequestering carbon dioxide.
00:24:02.820 All of these things are geared towards, you know,
00:24:05.960 Hang on, hang on.
00:24:07.580 Let me ask a more basic question.
00:24:10.780 Make sure I understand it.
00:24:12.300 Is the theory in back of this
00:24:13.780 for the geoengineering part
00:24:15.020 is that the world,
00:24:16.460 the biosphere, let's say,
00:24:18.280 is a complex system.
00:24:21.780 And that complex system,
00:24:23.640 like any engineering problem you have,
00:24:26.460 right,
00:24:26.720 you can go in,
00:24:28.740 break it apart,
00:24:29.580 understand it,
00:24:30.700 and if you want to try to optimize it,
00:24:32.720 parts of the system,
00:24:33.660 you can tinker with it,
00:24:35.220 make some changes to it,
00:24:36.420 maybe make some fundamental changes to it,
00:24:38.440 and optimize certain parts of it,
00:24:41.060 or if parts of it are detrimental to people,
00:24:44.080 that you can then take those away.
00:24:45.500 Is that the general theory
00:24:46.680 that the world,
00:24:48.580 we have a system,
00:24:49.660 a material system,
00:24:51.500 that's just like any other system,
00:24:53.240 although obviously with enormous complexity,
00:24:56.500 and that humans can actually go in there,
00:24:58.480 understand it,
00:24:59.340 and tool around with it, sir?
00:25:02.480 Yeah.
00:25:02.980 They're talking about engineering the earth
00:25:05.160 to achieve different objectives.
00:25:07.680 As I say,
00:25:08.200 there's different areas of it,
00:25:09.580 but about 80 to 85% of it,
00:25:13.120 well, more like 90,
00:25:14.100 more like 90 to 95%,
00:25:16.040 probably more like 95,
00:25:17.800 most of it,
00:25:18.560 these geoengineers,
00:25:20.020 they talk about spraying things out of planes.
00:25:23.440 to bounce sunlight back into space
00:25:26.560 to save us from global warming.
00:25:29.580 Now, I hear the music starting,
00:25:30.960 and this is a huge topic.
00:25:33.040 It goes back to,
00:25:34.500 the term geoengineering is synonymous
00:25:36.260 with a term called planetary engineering,
00:25:38.680 which is something that the former
00:25:40.300 Manhattan Project scientist,
00:25:42.060 Glenn Seaborg,
00:25:42.820 came up with after World War II,
00:25:45.020 and he was a big advocate of it.
00:25:46.900 Really, geoengineering is a nice term
00:25:49.600 for geophysical warfare,
00:25:51.080 and there's a lot here.
00:25:53.060 There's a lot here, Steve,
00:25:54.400 so I hope we can continue this conversation.
00:25:56.460 Okay.
00:25:57.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah,
00:25:58.280 we're going to continue.
00:25:58.980 Just, we'll take a short commercial break.
00:26:00.540 In fact, this is one of a series.
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00:28:58.840 The Supreme Court
00:29:02.940 in a 6-3 decision
00:29:04.300 has blocked
00:29:05.800 the Trump administration
00:29:06.800 from federalizing
00:29:08.000 and deploying members
00:29:09.560 of the National Guard
00:29:10.500 in Illinois.
00:29:11.220 Joining me now,
00:29:11.860 MSNOW Legal Affairs
00:29:13.060 reporter Fallon Gallagher.
00:29:14.340 Fallon, what can you tell us
00:29:15.220 about this decision?
00:29:16.020 Yeah, Ariel,
00:29:16.520 this is a significant loss
00:29:17.660 for the Trump administration.
00:29:18.800 The court had been weighing
00:29:19.680 this bid since October.
00:29:21.780 This is one of those cases
00:29:22.580 that came through
00:29:23.100 the emergency docket.
00:29:24.660 The Trump administration
00:29:25.720 had asked to allow
00:29:26.900 the deployment
00:29:27.780 and the federalization
00:29:28.660 of the National Guard
00:29:29.940 in Illinois.
00:29:31.100 Now, they've been sitting
00:29:31.780 on it for a while,
00:29:32.580 which caused us to speculate.
00:29:33.780 Maybe they were waiting
00:29:34.460 to see whether this happened
00:29:35.620 in another city
00:29:36.400 and maybe there was
00:29:37.320 a circuit split.
00:29:38.260 But now they've decisively
00:29:39.680 ruled against
00:29:40.720 the Trump administration
00:29:41.360 saying that he cannot deploy
00:29:43.020 or federalize
00:29:44.040 the National Guard
00:29:44.740 in Illinois.
00:29:45.540 And I want to read
00:29:46.080 very briefly from this ruling.
00:29:47.680 They say that the government
00:29:48.480 has not carried its burden
00:29:49.800 to show that the statute
00:29:51.440 permits the president
00:29:52.340 to federalize the Guard
00:29:53.400 in the exercise
00:29:54.520 of inherent authority
00:29:55.920 to protect the federal
00:29:57.160 personnel and property
00:29:58.080 in Illinois.
00:29:58.760 We need not add
00:29:59.780 and do not address
00:30:00.780 the reviewability
00:30:01.480 of findings made
00:30:02.320 by the president
00:30:02.880 under the statute
00:30:03.660 or any other statute.
00:30:05.040 The application is denied.
00:30:06.640 This, I want to say,
00:30:07.620 also appears to be 6-3,
00:30:09.440 as with regular
00:30:10.260 emergency docket applications.
00:30:12.480 You don't have to get
00:30:13.440 that breakdown
00:30:14.040 of how the justices voted.
00:30:15.700 We know that Gorsuch,
00:30:16.980 Thomas, and Alito
00:30:17.940 all wrote dissenting opinions.
00:30:20.380 So it appears that it's 6-3.
00:30:22.040 It appears that Barrett
00:30:23.440 and Roberts sided
00:30:24.560 with the liberal justices here.
00:30:26.120 But again,
00:30:26.420 this is a massive blow
00:30:27.360 for the Trump administration.
00:30:28.620 So just for a second,
00:30:29.800 speak about the possible
00:30:31.140 wider implications
00:30:32.160 of this ruling
00:30:33.840 on the attempts
00:30:34.880 to federalize
00:30:35.480 the National Guard
00:30:36.020 in other places
00:30:36.680 in the country.
00:30:37.440 Yeah, the Supreme Court
00:30:38.140 has now set this precedent here
00:30:39.480 that the Trump administration
00:30:40.480 cannot federalize
00:30:41.680 or deploy the National Guard
00:30:43.080 under this specific statute.
00:30:45.300 So this is a decisive victory
00:30:46.980 or a decisive loss
00:30:48.180 for the Trump administration.
00:30:51.220 Okay, Eric Tietzel
00:30:52.320 from the Center
00:30:52.960 for Renewing America
00:30:53.760 joins us.
00:30:54.520 Eric, we've been on quite a roll
00:30:56.680 at the Supreme Court.
00:30:58.120 Is this a speed bump
00:30:59.520 or is it something
00:31:01.120 we should be more concerned about?
00:31:03.040 And President Trump's,
00:31:04.200 as you know,
00:31:05.560 what Russ Vogt worked on,
00:31:07.380 what you guys worked on
00:31:08.280 for so many years,
00:31:09.760 this,
00:31:10.100 the inherent powers
00:31:12.200 in the broader context
00:31:13.740 of the Article II powers
00:31:15.340 of the president,
00:31:15.960 whether he's the chief
00:31:16.600 executive officer
00:31:17.460 of the administration
00:31:19.140 and the government
00:31:20.400 or whether he is
00:31:21.360 the chief magistrate
00:31:22.440 and chief law enforcement officer
00:31:23.660 or most importantly
00:31:24.580 as commander-in-chief.
00:31:26.580 And this went to
00:31:27.320 the commander-in-chief part.
00:31:30.160 So make this make sense for us.
00:31:31.480 Is this temporary?
00:31:32.360 Can we worked around?
00:31:33.600 Or is this a death blow
00:31:34.920 to federalizing
00:31:35.780 the National Guard
00:31:36.660 to both protect police
00:31:38.380 in these out-of-control
00:31:39.580 sanctuary cities
00:31:40.440 and to have the back of ICE
00:31:42.820 as you start doing
00:31:44.020 mass deportations, sir?
00:31:45.440 Anything but a death blow.
00:31:49.180 It's hilarious
00:31:50.280 listening to our friends
00:31:51.220 over there at MSNBC
00:31:52.380 spike the football on this.
00:31:54.000 They should know better.
00:31:54.920 Chicago is comeback city.
00:31:56.760 We just saw that
00:31:57.480 with the Bears
00:31:57.900 over the Packers
00:31:58.580 this weekend.
00:31:59.520 And it's going to be
00:32:00.580 the same story
00:32:01.220 with the president here.
00:32:03.180 This is indeed
00:32:04.080 a legal speed bump.
00:32:05.640 The administration
00:32:06.200 asked for them
00:32:07.880 to remove a stay
00:32:09.460 while the legal proceedings
00:32:11.080 carried forward
00:32:12.420 in this case
00:32:13.140 and the Supreme Court today
00:32:14.240 simply said,
00:32:15.140 we're not going
00:32:15.860 to lift a stay
00:32:16.780 but the arguments
00:32:17.880 can continue.
00:32:19.260 And then they even
00:32:19.800 went further than that
00:32:20.940 and Brett Kavanaugh
00:32:21.940 who ultimately concurred
00:32:23.720 in that decision
00:32:24.880 he sided with the bad guys
00:32:26.420 he did leave
00:32:27.460 kind of a legal road map
00:32:28.800 for what he thinks
00:32:29.600 the winning strategy
00:32:30.420 would be moving forward
00:32:31.840 and I'm pretty confident
00:32:33.440 that ultimately
00:32:34.100 the president will prevail.
00:32:35.980 And the reason is simple
00:32:37.300 and you pointed to it.
00:32:38.980 Article 2 gives
00:32:40.260 the president
00:32:40.780 of the United States
00:32:41.640 extraordinary deference
00:32:43.040 when it comes to
00:32:44.000 his powers
00:32:44.920 as commander-in-chief
00:32:46.200 and as the chief
00:32:47.480 law enforcement officer
00:32:48.900 of the United States.
00:32:50.020 He didn't even try
00:32:51.460 to invoke
00:32:52.280 those fundamental
00:32:53.700 constitutional powers
00:32:55.020 in these arguments.
00:32:57.060 Instead,
00:32:57.780 he relied merely
00:32:58.740 on a federal statute.
00:33:00.480 It's 10 U.S.C. 1246
00:33:02.060 which allows the president
00:33:03.600 to deploy the National Guard
00:33:05.820 when he can't do so
00:33:07.400 using, quote,
00:33:08.600 regular forces.
00:33:09.660 Now, as often is the case
00:33:11.780 with federal law,
00:33:13.140 the framers of that article
00:33:14.660 did not bother to define
00:33:16.200 what does regular forces mean.
00:33:19.280 And so it's up to judges,
00:33:20.600 unfortunately,
00:33:21.260 to fill in the blanks.
00:33:22.460 And in this case,
00:33:23.140 the judges said,
00:33:23.820 well, we think regular forces
00:33:25.120 means the U.S. military.
00:33:27.440 The Trump administration
00:33:28.300 is arguing that,
00:33:29.140 no, actually,
00:33:29.800 regular forces
00:33:30.440 refers to things like ICE
00:33:31.820 and the FBI,
00:33:33.340 which have proven
00:33:35.000 unable to keep
00:33:36.160 federal personnel
00:33:37.180 and federal property
00:33:39.020 in Chicago safe
00:33:40.480 from the acts of violence
00:33:42.260 being perpetrated
00:33:43.120 by bad guys in Chicago.
00:33:45.140 That's a winning argument
00:33:46.260 and ultimately
00:33:46.980 it's going to prevail
00:33:48.100 one way or the other.
00:33:51.020 You have the Insurrection Act,
00:33:53.420 I think,
00:33:53.660 posse co-matatus.
00:33:54.900 Why did Stephen Miller
00:33:56.260 and the team
00:33:57.000 focus on using
00:33:58.400 this aspect
00:33:59.260 of federal regulations
00:34:01.100 or federal rules?
00:34:03.180 Why did they do that?
00:34:04.200 And was that
00:34:04.640 the big question
00:34:05.360 they asked here
00:34:05.980 at this level
00:34:08.020 and they want them
00:34:09.440 to come back
00:34:09.900 and rethink it
00:34:10.500 about really using
00:34:11.500 the Insurrection Act?
00:34:13.620 You know,
00:34:14.000 I can only guess
00:34:15.520 as to what the legal strategy
00:34:16.920 devised by the White House was.
00:34:18.840 But if I had to venture a guess,
00:34:20.220 I would say
00:34:20.860 if you can win
00:34:22.080 a court case
00:34:22.780 by invoking
00:34:23.600 sort of the easiest,
00:34:25.120 most basic standard
00:34:26.280 rather than
00:34:27.280 trying to tackle
00:34:28.020 an 800-pound gorilla
00:34:29.020 like posse co-matatus,
00:34:30.820 why not go
00:34:31.700 for the lowest
00:34:32.240 possible standard?
00:34:33.220 So that's probably
00:34:34.300 what was driving here.
00:34:35.160 They should have won
00:34:36.100 on that very easy
00:34:37.200 basic standard.
00:34:38.200 The court stepped
00:34:39.120 way out of its bounds
00:34:40.320 and made arguments
00:34:41.520 that the state of Illinois
00:34:42.540 didn't even make
00:34:43.420 in this case
00:34:44.320 to sort of
00:34:45.340 get to this point.
00:34:46.880 But that's why I say
00:34:48.600 there's lots of hope
00:34:49.460 for winning
00:34:50.400 either by
00:34:51.260 fixing these technical
00:34:52.720 arguments around
00:34:53.860 10 U.S.C. 1246
00:34:55.020 or invoking things
00:34:57.840 like the Insurrection Act
00:34:59.260 or the Posse Comitatus Act.
00:35:00.520 Eric, just help
00:35:03.240 the audience
00:35:04.040 and myself
00:35:04.500 think this through.
00:35:05.180 You have
00:35:05.800 these major urban areas
00:35:08.760 and I mean
00:35:09.300 world cities,
00:35:11.380 Chicago,
00:35:12.240 Los Angeles,
00:35:13.220 New York City
00:35:13.920 that are sanctuary cities.
00:35:15.940 They flout
00:35:16.620 all the federal rules
00:35:17.800 and regulations
00:35:18.420 about what we are
00:35:20.160 as a sovereign country,
00:35:21.200 what we are
00:35:21.560 as a sovereign people
00:35:22.520 on immigration.
00:35:24.520 You have a presence
00:35:25.480 that's trying to
00:35:26.460 in the most
00:35:27.980 basic way possible
00:35:29.980 to not just
00:35:31.640 assert federal power
00:35:32.580 but to make sure
00:35:33.320 that those laws
00:35:34.020 are enforced
00:35:34.580 and to get people
00:35:35.880 that shouldn't be here
00:35:36.680 out.
00:35:37.700 Why are the federal courts
00:35:38.860 seem to be going
00:35:39.420 out of their way
00:35:40.460 to protect
00:35:41.880 essentially insurrectionists?
00:35:44.180 I mean,
00:35:44.380 these guys are equivalent
00:35:45.540 to elements
00:35:46.840 of the Confederacy
00:35:48.400 in 1860,
00:35:49.760 are they not?
00:35:50.180 They're saying,
00:35:50.700 hey,
00:35:51.800 Chicago is going to run
00:35:53.000 like Chicago is going to run
00:35:54.140 and Pritzker is there
00:35:55.020 running for president
00:35:56.320 on this very topic
00:35:57.280 and I think people
00:35:57.900 see today
00:35:58.420 that they're coming
00:35:59.720 after President Trump
00:36:00.580 and trying to use troops
00:36:02.360 to go in there,
00:36:03.140 you know,
00:36:03.440 federalizing the National Guard
00:36:04.780 for good order
00:36:05.900 and discipline,
00:36:06.540 for safety,
00:36:07.220 you know,
00:36:07.420 order versus chaos
00:36:08.440 and yet you have
00:36:09.120 the federal courts
00:36:10.100 protecting people
00:36:11.860 that are flaunting
00:36:12.840 the most basic laws
00:36:14.260 on immigration,
00:36:15.200 sir.
00:36:16.480 It's totally backwards.
00:36:17.640 It's technical legal fiddling
00:36:19.020 while Chicago burns.
00:36:20.820 We have got to restore
00:36:22.180 an understanding
00:36:22.940 of the unitary executive,
00:36:25.040 the president's
00:36:25.940 fundamental constitutional
00:36:27.480 Article 2 powers
00:36:29.020 first and foremost
00:36:30.620 protect the people
00:36:31.980 of the United States.
00:36:33.900 That's what he's trying to do.
00:36:35.120 We saw this in my hometown,
00:36:37.120 unfortunately,
00:36:37.640 of Washington, D.C.,
00:36:38.900 where the president
00:36:39.700 brought in the National Guard
00:36:41.100 and at first
00:36:42.140 all the leftists in the city,
00:36:43.400 including the mayor,
00:36:44.200 Mayor Bowser,
00:36:45.300 threw a fit
00:36:46.020 only to realize
00:36:47.120 that crime went down
00:36:48.340 and the residents
00:36:49.800 of Washington, D.C.
00:36:51.020 were happy about that.
00:36:52.860 They felt safe
00:36:53.720 and she basically
00:36:55.460 had to cry uncle
00:36:56.400 and say,
00:36:57.200 yeah,
00:36:57.520 this actually worked.
00:36:58.940 We're going to go ahead
00:36:59.840 and let it roll.
00:37:01.040 I have a feeling
00:37:01.920 that the people
00:37:02.900 of Chicago
00:37:03.700 are not happy
00:37:05.200 with the federal court
00:37:06.940 stepping in
00:37:07.860 and standing in the way
00:37:09.540 of the president's ability
00:37:10.720 to protect them
00:37:11.780 and their livelihoods
00:37:13.140 and their families.
00:37:16.180 Eric,
00:37:16.840 where can people
00:37:17.400 go over to CRA
00:37:18.400 to get more information
00:37:19.400 on this?
00:37:19.840 I know you guys
00:37:20.260 are covering,
00:37:20.760 in fact,
00:37:21.040 much of that theory
00:37:22.820 and the expanded
00:37:23.740 interpretation of Article 2
00:37:25.420 came from
00:37:26.840 so many of your staff,
00:37:28.420 including your head,
00:37:29.220 Russ Vogt,
00:37:29.600 who are now over at OMB
00:37:30.840 and inside the government
00:37:32.140 making these decisions.
00:37:33.280 Where do folks go?
00:37:35.020 Yes, sir.
00:37:35.640 Russ,
00:37:36.120 Mark Paoletta,
00:37:36.880 Jeff Clark,
00:37:37.380 a whole bunch of heroes
00:37:38.280 who've done the spade work here,
00:37:39.780 Ken Cuccinelli,
00:37:40.640 and more.
00:37:41.600 You can go to
00:37:42.380 americarenewing.com
00:37:44.760 and find links
00:37:45.680 to all of our work
00:37:46.680 on Posse Comitatus,
00:37:48.720 Insurrection Act,
00:37:49.620 and more.
00:37:49.960 You can also find me
00:37:51.040 on X
00:37:52.140 at Eric Tietzel
00:37:53.560 and I'll link
00:37:54.300 to all of this stuff.
00:37:57.660 By the way,
00:37:58.360 tomorrow I'll be talking about
00:38:00.000 as we're in Bethlehem
00:38:01.340 and in Rome
00:38:02.280 for Christmas Eve
00:38:05.160 talking about your,
00:38:06.740 well,
00:38:07.000 we're going to do it.
00:38:07.600 We got teams there.
00:38:08.460 I'm just going to be
00:38:09.240 anchoring from the worm,
00:38:10.800 but we're going to talk about
00:38:12.220 your great reports
00:38:13.340 on Islam and Sharia
00:38:14.800 and all that.
00:38:15.380 So you go to CRA,
00:38:16.240 you've got tremendous reports
00:38:17.320 about the dangers
00:38:18.520 of the rise of Sharia supremacists.
00:38:21.000 So, Eric,
00:38:21.560 thank you so much.
00:38:22.300 Merry Christmas.
00:38:22.920 Tell everybody over there.
00:38:23.580 Merry Christmas.
00:38:24.240 Love you guys.
00:38:25.700 Thank you, Steve.
00:38:26.400 Merry Christmas to you
00:38:27.280 and God bless you.
00:38:29.840 Thank you, sir.
00:38:31.560 So, Peter Kirby,
00:38:32.640 let's go back.
00:38:33.780 Planetary,
00:38:35.060 was it planetary
00:38:35.920 engineering
00:38:37.440 and then geoengineering?
00:38:39.020 Go back to,
00:38:39.660 go back to the planetary part.
00:38:41.360 That started right
00:38:42.400 after World War II?
00:38:44.400 Yeah.
00:38:44.960 It was mostly promoted
00:38:46.200 by Glenn Seaborg,
00:38:48.280 the chairman
00:38:49.160 of the Atomic Energy Commission.
00:38:51.500 And as you know,
00:38:52.560 the Atomic Energy Commission
00:38:53.800 was what became
00:38:54.900 of the original
00:38:55.780 Manhattan Project.
00:38:57.740 And then the Atomic Energy Commission
00:38:59.540 turned into
00:39:00.180 today's Department of Energy.
00:39:02.320 And it's no coincidence
00:39:03.580 that today's Department of Energy
00:39:05.300 has a lot of connections
00:39:06.780 to the biggest
00:39:08.320 scientific effort
00:39:09.560 in history.
00:39:10.220 and that's what this is.
00:39:12.240 This biggest
00:39:13.520 scientific effort
00:39:14.620 in history
00:39:15.120 is evidenced
00:39:16.320 by the lines
00:39:17.300 that we see
00:39:17.920 in the skies.
00:39:18.660 Now, maybe some
00:39:19.460 of your audience
00:39:20.060 has not noticed
00:39:21.260 these things,
00:39:21.980 but I suspect
00:39:22.940 that a lot of them have.
00:39:24.440 If you start looking
00:39:25.440 for them,
00:39:26.040 you'll see,
00:39:26.980 maybe you've seen
00:39:27.580 them already,
00:39:28.160 that there are these lines
00:39:29.020 that stretch from
00:39:29.740 horizon to horizon.
00:39:31.360 They come out
00:39:32.120 of jet airplanes
00:39:33.140 and they just kind of
00:39:34.460 stay there
00:39:35.140 and expand
00:39:36.260 and turn into cloud cover
00:39:37.660 over the course of hours.
00:39:39.440 Now, this is not
00:39:40.200 how water vapor behaves.
00:39:42.220 If the jet fuel
00:39:43.460 is unadulterated
00:39:44.760 and, you know,
00:39:46.180 it's just a normal
00:39:46.900 plane flying over,
00:39:48.440 you don't see
00:39:49.400 these gigantic clouds
00:39:50.860 coming out the back
00:39:51.860 of these things.
00:39:52.920 If it's just water vapor,
00:39:54.340 it dissipates
00:39:55.140 very quickly
00:39:55.820 and disappears.
00:39:57.040 But,
00:39:57.860 since we're looking
00:39:59.180 at these long lines
00:40:00.420 from horizon to horizon
00:40:01.500 doing what they're doing,
00:40:02.560 this is particulate matter.
00:40:04.300 Hang on for a second.
00:40:06.820 You already lost me.
00:40:08.040 You've got to keep it simple.
00:40:09.240 I want to go back.
00:40:10.100 You're telling me
00:40:10.780 the guys that are
00:40:11.460 in back of the
00:40:12.280 Manhattan Project,
00:40:13.620 which is the greatest
00:40:14.580 engineering project
00:40:15.640 probably in mankind's history,
00:40:17.280 to get a bomb,
00:40:18.220 to get a nuclear weapon,
00:40:19.740 if you've seen the movie
00:40:20.660 Oppenheim or Ray,
00:40:21.600 the books,
00:40:21.960 to get a weapon
00:40:22.480 in just a couple of years
00:40:23.620 and have this massive
00:40:25.160 industrial process
00:40:26.120 that could do it.
00:40:27.320 The people,
00:40:27.840 and I think this is
00:40:28.520 one of the reasons
00:40:29.020 your book's called
00:40:29.940 The New Manhattan Project,
00:40:31.800 that the people
00:40:32.740 in back of the
00:40:33.220 Manhattan Project,
00:40:34.520 this guy Seaborg and others,
00:40:37.020 thought given that
00:40:38.400 they went to the core
00:40:39.400 of nature
00:40:40.160 and subatomic
00:40:42.360 quantum physics
00:40:44.780 to get to the secrets
00:40:46.280 of the universe
00:40:46.780 to build a weapon
00:40:47.760 and obviously then later
00:40:49.840 nuclear energy
00:40:50.900 and power
00:40:51.460 and power plants,
00:40:52.660 that they also felt
00:40:53.720 that they could
00:40:54.240 re-engineer the planet.
00:40:56.880 Was that the thinking?
00:40:58.700 Oh, yes.
00:40:59.900 Absolutely.
00:41:00.460 You know,
00:41:01.420 after they detonated
00:41:02.740 the bomb in 1945,
00:41:04.660 the bombs,
00:41:05.540 they were essentially
00:41:06.900 placed at the top
00:41:08.020 of world power
00:41:08.820 and so,
00:41:10.760 you know,
00:41:11.040 they went about
00:41:11.760 promoting the production
00:41:13.520 of more nuclear bombs,
00:41:14.740 they went about promoting,
00:41:16.480 you know,
00:41:17.140 nuclear power
00:41:17.900 and the other thing
00:41:19.940 that they went about
00:41:20.920 promoting
00:41:21.360 was weather control
00:41:23.000 and that's what
00:41:24.800 the biggest scientific
00:41:25.880 effort in history
00:41:26.960 is all about.
00:41:28.440 You know,
00:41:28.780 there are other
00:41:29.880 tangential things
00:41:31.020 that are associated
00:41:31.900 with what's going on.
00:41:33.060 Hang on.
00:41:33.420 But hang on.
00:41:35.160 But weather,
00:41:35.780 okay,
00:41:36.060 so weather control
00:41:36.820 and they wanted
00:41:37.840 to control the weather
00:41:38.940 because you can both
00:41:41.060 increase your productivity
00:41:42.260 in a country
00:41:42.880 but you could also,
00:41:43.880 like in economics,
00:41:45.140 you could use it
00:41:45.800 as a weapon
00:41:46.200 against other countries,
00:41:47.240 you could turn them
00:41:47.780 into deserts.
00:41:48.540 I mean,
00:41:48.720 was it a thought
00:41:49.480 that if we start
00:41:50.780 to perfect weather
00:41:52.220 as a system,
00:41:55.340 right,
00:41:55.520 which they think
00:41:55.940 everything's a system,
00:41:57.000 we can make it
00:41:57.760 better for ourselves
00:41:58.820 and worse
00:41:59.920 for our competitors?
00:42:01.260 Is that what
00:42:01.680 the original thinking was?
00:42:03.400 Correct.
00:42:04.060 It was both.
00:42:05.500 It was mostly,
00:42:07.460 it was developed,
00:42:08.600 mostly what we're
00:42:09.600 looking at today,
00:42:11.040 the system that we're
00:42:12.180 looking at today,
00:42:13.200 what I call
00:42:13.580 the New Manhattan Project
00:42:14.620 was developed
00:42:15.260 as a weapon system.
00:42:16.740 But there are
00:42:17.760 many instances
00:42:18.540 in the historical
00:42:20.240 weather modification
00:42:21.260 literature
00:42:21.820 that talk about
00:42:23.240 these type of systems
00:42:24.400 being used
00:42:25.120 in peacetime,
00:42:26.200 i.e.
00:42:26.680 domestically.
00:42:28.420 So, you know,
00:42:29.520 there was both
00:42:30.380 of those things
00:42:30.860 going on.
00:42:31.560 Most people
00:42:32.160 have heard about
00:42:33.120 weather control
00:42:34.200 in the context
00:42:34.860 of what I call
00:42:35.440 the conventional
00:42:36.260 weather modification
00:42:37.620 industry.
00:42:38.320 That started right
00:42:39.520 after World War II
00:42:40.460 as well.
00:42:41.340 And this involves
00:42:42.140 the dispersion
00:42:42.900 of silver iodide
00:42:44.140 mainly,
00:42:44.960 sometimes other
00:42:45.720 materials like
00:42:46.660 lead iodide,
00:42:47.780 but mainly
00:42:48.300 silver iodide.
00:42:49.820 And this is what
00:42:50.420 the bulk
00:42:51.000 of the historical
00:42:52.040 weather modification
00:42:53.560 literature
00:42:54.240 pertains to.
00:42:55.200 But if you
00:42:57.060 look closely
00:42:58.100 and read into
00:42:59.340 it a lot
00:43:00.000 like I did,
00:43:00.700 I think I exhausted
00:43:01.580 all avenues
00:43:02.500 of investigation
00:43:03.640 in the conventional
00:43:04.860 weather modification
00:43:05.900 literature.
00:43:07.020 I think,
00:43:08.640 and I found,
00:43:10.340 many instances
00:43:11.240 of the use
00:43:12.880 of electromagnetic
00:43:13.940 energy
00:43:15.180 as well
00:43:16.100 to control
00:43:17.000 the weather.
00:43:17.460 Now,
00:43:17.660 this is the
00:43:18.200 defining aspect
00:43:19.320 of this
00:43:20.660 second generation
00:43:22.340 system
00:43:23.760 of weather
00:43:24.500 control.
00:43:25.000 It's a binary
00:43:25.780 weapon system.
00:43:26.700 With the
00:43:27.560 traditional
00:43:28.120 weather modification
00:43:29.060 technology,
00:43:30.240 you're just
00:43:30.840 spraying things
00:43:31.540 out of planes
00:43:32.120 or dispersing
00:43:33.340 silver iodide
00:43:34.220 from ground-based
00:43:35.040 generators
00:43:35.620 that cause
00:43:36.740 precipitation
00:43:37.720 to happen
00:43:39.720 from cumulus
00:43:40.740 clouds
00:43:41.140 or suppress
00:43:42.280 hail
00:43:42.600 or suppress
00:43:43.160 lightning.
00:43:43.740 So it's just
00:43:44.380 a singular
00:43:45.420 element
00:43:46.120 that you're
00:43:47.180 dealing with.
00:43:47.900 But when you're
00:43:48.540 talking about
00:43:49.340 spraying things
00:43:50.460 out of planes
00:43:51.260 and then
00:43:52.500 hitting those
00:43:53.280 particles
00:43:53.960 with
00:43:54.460 electromagnetic
00:43:55.020 energy,
00:43:56.480 well,
00:43:56.900 then you're
00:43:57.520 looking at
00:43:57.860 something that
00:43:58.300 opens the
00:43:58.860 doors to
00:43:59.460 comprehensive
00:44:00.460 weather control,
00:44:01.500 not just doing
00:44:02.180 a few things
00:44:02.880 with silver
00:44:03.360 iodide.
00:44:04.320 And that is
00:44:04.940 the essence
00:44:05.620 of what I call
00:44:06.780 the New
00:44:07.060 Manhattan
00:44:07.380 Project,
00:44:08.000 this binary
00:44:08.600 weapon system.
00:44:09.460 They saturate
00:44:10.100 the atmosphere
00:44:10.640 with these
00:44:11.460 small particles
00:44:12.280 that come out
00:44:12.940 of planes,
00:44:13.660 and then they're
00:44:14.640 hitting those
00:44:15.320 small particles
00:44:16.040 with electromagnetic
00:44:17.220 energy.
00:44:18.900 And the most
00:44:20.100 basic thing
00:44:20.900 that can be
00:44:21.420 done with that
00:44:22.080 is creating
00:44:23.180 a high-pressure
00:44:23.760 system.
00:44:24.980 And I think
00:44:25.540 that this is
00:44:26.000 what has been
00:44:26.520 done over
00:44:27.000 California
00:44:27.560 for many
00:44:28.040 years now,
00:44:29.060 especially when
00:44:30.380 we have times
00:44:31.200 of drought.
00:44:32.580 They're causing
00:44:33.540 the drought
00:44:34.140 over California
00:44:35.480 by creating
00:44:36.840 high-pressure
00:44:37.300 systems.
00:44:37.700 When you have
00:44:38.080 an atmosphere
00:44:38.540 that's saturated
00:44:39.320 with these
00:44:39.800 small particles
00:44:40.520 and you hit
00:44:41.360 those small
00:44:41.880 particles with
00:44:42.520 something called
00:44:43.080 the resonant
00:44:44.000 frequency of
00:44:45.100 those particles,
00:44:46.000 they heat up.
00:44:46.860 and you
00:44:48.000 can create
00:44:48.880 a high-pressure
00:44:49.900 system over
00:44:50.480 large areas.
00:44:51.780 Hang,
00:44:52.740 let me,
00:44:53.780 because this
00:44:54.140 is going to
00:44:54.480 take obviously
00:44:55.320 several sessions.
00:44:56.880 Isn't the
00:44:57.380 risk,
00:44:57.920 because like
00:44:58.800 in Oppenheimer,
00:45:00.500 in creation
00:45:01.400 of the bomb
00:45:02.020 and the hydrogen
00:45:02.700 bomb,
00:45:03.660 one of the
00:45:04.140 things that
00:45:04.720 was,
00:45:06.020 one of the
00:45:06.440 parts of the
00:45:06.860 processes that
00:45:07.760 took up so
00:45:08.260 much time
00:45:08.780 was the
00:45:09.560 risk mitigation
00:45:10.380 of having
00:45:12.360 like the
00:45:13.380 weapons,
00:45:13.920 something happened
00:45:14.620 underneath
00:45:15.080 Soldier's Field
00:45:16.120 in Chicago,
00:45:17.540 right,
00:45:17.780 when I think
00:45:18.060 it was Fermi
00:45:18.660 that was
00:45:19.000 there,
00:45:19.360 they were
00:45:19.820 always very
00:45:20.440 concerned about
00:45:21.520 a reaction
00:45:22.480 that got
00:45:23.080 out of their
00:45:23.480 control,
00:45:24.020 and so one
00:45:24.520 of the reasons
00:45:24.940 they had
00:45:25.340 pressure on
00:45:25.840 them to
00:45:26.460 get to the
00:45:26.900 bomb and
00:45:27.300 get it done
00:45:27.700 before the
00:45:28.120 Germans was
00:45:29.180 this risk
00:45:29.600 mitigation.
00:45:30.880 In your
00:45:31.420 study of
00:45:32.100 this new
00:45:32.440 Manhattan
00:45:32.700 project,
00:45:33.560 aren't these
00:45:34.140 engineers or
00:45:35.500 people that
00:45:35.920 look at
00:45:36.280 geoengineering,
00:45:38.060 isn't there
00:45:38.680 concern that
00:45:39.380 the global
00:45:40.520 system is so
00:45:41.300 complex that
00:45:42.740 if you try
00:45:43.200 to build a
00:45:44.460 high-pressure
00:45:44.940 system or
00:45:45.800 you know,
00:45:46.480 this happened
00:45:46.920 during the
00:45:47.260 rains down
00:45:47.720 in Texas
00:45:48.160 when that
00:45:48.660 when that
00:45:49.800 the camp
00:45:51.800 for the
00:45:52.120 little girls
00:45:52.580 got swept
00:45:53.100 under by
00:45:53.540 the raging
00:45:54.460 waters,
00:45:54.940 I think
00:45:55.140 outside of
00:45:55.560 Austin,
00:45:56.480 that somebody
00:45:56.980 had been
00:45:57.400 actually seeding
00:45:58.340 and he came
00:45:59.140 on the show,
00:45:59.680 he had been
00:45:59.980 actually paid
00:46:00.680 to seed
00:46:01.220 clouds for a
00:46:02.260 couple of
00:46:02.560 months.
00:46:03.480 Aren't people
00:46:03.940 in charge so
00:46:04.900 concerned that
00:46:05.700 the system's so
00:46:06.400 complicated that
00:46:07.340 you could end
00:46:07.800 up doing
00:46:08.160 something that's
00:46:09.440 small like a
00:46:10.300 high-pressure
00:46:10.840 system over
00:46:12.260 California?
00:46:13.240 Not that
00:46:13.680 that's small,
00:46:14.300 but that
00:46:14.560 that could
00:46:14.880 affect everything
00:46:15.600 and you could
00:46:16.060 turn potentially
00:46:16.840 California into
00:46:18.240 a desert?
00:46:19.080 I mean,
00:46:19.380 don't these
00:46:20.320 people have
00:46:21.060 that type of
00:46:22.080 concern?
00:46:23.740 Well, you know,
00:46:24.720 you're looking at
00:46:25.680 it from the
00:46:26.260 mindset of
00:46:27.180 somebody who
00:46:28.060 cares about
00:46:29.520 life on this
00:46:30.300 planet and
00:46:31.020 wants things to
00:46:31.940 be good and
00:46:32.780 nice for
00:46:33.640 people and
00:46:34.500 maybe ways we
00:46:35.860 could use these
00:46:37.780 technologies to
00:46:38.920 make life better
00:46:39.760 for people.
00:46:40.300 But I don't
00:46:41.220 think the
00:46:41.540 people behind
00:46:42.060 the New
00:46:42.340 Manhattan
00:46:42.660 Project are
00:46:43.420 looking at
00:46:43.840 it this way.
00:46:44.720 They're looking
00:46:45.400 at it as a
00:46:46.380 way to just
00:46:46.900 control everything,
00:46:48.160 control the
00:46:48.860 weather and,
00:46:49.680 you know,
00:46:50.120 weather has an
00:46:51.040 effect on so
00:46:52.100 many different
00:46:52.640 things.
00:46:53.640 But I don't
00:46:54.620 think their
00:46:54.920 motives are good
00:46:55.480 because, I
00:46:55.860 mean, they're
00:46:56.320 spraying us
00:46:57.020 with a substance
00:46:57.840 that is highly
00:46:59.280 toxic.
00:46:59.960 It's been
00:47:00.420 determined by
00:47:01.680 a world-famous
00:47:02.700 Ph.D.
00:47:03.920 as well as,
00:47:04.720 at the time
00:47:05.200 these papers came
00:47:06.020 out, a sitting
00:47:07.840 director of the
00:47:08.620 Monroe County,
00:47:09.300 Florida,
00:47:09.660 Department of
00:47:10.220 Health, they
00:47:11.080 wrote a series
00:47:12.000 of peer-reviewed
00:47:13.460 journal articles
00:47:14.260 where they
00:47:15.240 have determined
00:47:16.520 that the
00:47:16.900 substance that
00:47:17.520 were most
00:47:17.940 commonly being
00:47:18.640 sprayed with
00:47:19.300 during these
00:47:19.940 operations is
00:47:21.120 something called
00:47:21.600 coal fly ash.
00:47:22.760 Now, you
00:47:22.980 probably know
00:47:23.500 what that is,
00:47:24.080 but a lot of
00:47:25.000 people don't.
00:47:25.640 It's the smoke
00:47:26.280 that rises from
00:47:27.260 burning coal.
00:47:28.420 And it's been
00:47:29.120 collected for
00:47:30.440 many decades by
00:47:31.840 these devices
00:47:32.720 called electrostatic
00:47:33.900 precipitators,
00:47:34.700 otherwise known as
00:47:35.420 scrubbers.
00:47:36.260 This is why you
00:47:36.980 don't see
00:47:37.660 gigantic clouds
00:47:39.120 clouds of coal
00:47:40.200 fly ash coming
00:47:41.140 out of coal-fired
00:47:42.180 power plants
00:47:42.940 because the
00:47:43.720 ash is sequestered.
00:47:45.780 So what you
00:47:46.320 have...
00:47:47.160 Peter?
00:47:47.900 Yeah, we've
00:47:49.640 got to bounce.
00:47:50.200 I'm going to do
00:47:50.580 more of this with
00:47:51.460 you.
00:47:51.680 We're going to
00:47:51.840 break it down.
00:47:52.460 Right now, I
00:47:53.660 just need...
00:47:54.400 Give your
00:47:55.360 website that
00:47:56.020 everybody can go
00:47:56.660 and get all your
00:47:57.400 research and all
00:47:58.180 your backup, and
00:47:58.940 I want people to
00:48:00.420 go where they can
00:48:01.160 order the book.
00:48:02.040 It's Sky Horse.
00:48:02.660 It's coming out
00:48:03.140 on the 20th of
00:48:03.920 January.
00:48:04.420 It's for pre-order
00:48:05.880 now on Amazon, or
00:48:07.080 I guess at Sky Horse.
00:48:08.300 So we've got about
00:48:09.120 a minute.
00:48:09.520 Where do they go to
00:48:10.200 get all your
00:48:10.880 writings and all
00:48:12.500 the articles you've
00:48:13.300 got up, and then
00:48:13.980 where do they go
00:48:14.420 order the book?
00:48:16.080 Yes.
00:48:16.700 The confusion
00:48:17.380 ends January
00:48:18.660 20th.
00:48:19.500 If you read my
00:48:20.460 book, you will
00:48:21.480 have crystal clarity
00:48:22.840 as to what's going
00:48:23.960 on here.
00:48:24.740 I have solved the
00:48:25.880 unsolvable puzzle.
00:48:27.400 Now, if you want
00:48:27.920 to see everything
00:48:28.860 that I'm doing, I
00:48:30.320 have links to
00:48:30.920 everything that I'm
00:48:31.660 doing on my
00:48:32.300 website, PeterAKirby.com.
00:48:34.660 And the book,
00:48:35.620 Chemtrails Exposed,
00:48:36.660 A New Manhattan
00:48:37.260 Project, is scheduled
00:48:38.720 to be released on
00:48:40.080 January 20th.
00:48:41.220 It is now available
00:48:42.280 on Amazon.
00:48:44.660 I want everybody
00:48:45.420 to order it.
00:48:46.260 And I will tell you,
00:48:47.340 Peter, fans of yours
00:48:49.240 and your work, like
00:48:50.720 my kid sister, there's
00:48:52.320 not a closer person,
00:48:53.520 maybe Mo, but besides
00:48:54.720 that, my kid sister
00:48:55.560 and my brother are
00:48:57.240 the two closest people
00:48:58.480 in the world.
00:48:58.940 And when you
00:48:59.700 mentioned Chemtrails,
00:49:01.300 she's all in.
00:49:02.800 She thinks I'm an
00:49:03.800 absolute mortal.
00:49:04.420 Well, people can
00:49:05.820 also check me out
00:49:07.880 on the Tucker Carlson
00:49:08.680 show.
00:49:09.040 I did that.
00:49:09.480 You've got to click
00:49:09.820 on View All on his
00:49:10.740 homepage.
00:49:11.340 But yeah, I did one
00:49:12.260 of those shows.
00:49:14.480 Peter, thank you so
00:49:16.200 much.
00:49:16.400 Look forward to
00:49:16.760 having you back.
00:49:17.340 I want everybody
00:49:17.740 to go to the site
00:49:18.520 now and order the
00:49:20.260 book, the, what is
00:49:21.300 it, The Uncertainty,
00:49:22.260 The Confusion,
00:49:23.040 Ends, 20 January
00:49:24.640 2026 from Skyhorse
00:49:27.320 Press.
00:49:29.480 Chemtrails, the new
00:49:30.320 Manhattan Project.
00:49:31.580 Fascinating.
00:49:33.300 Leave you with the
00:49:34.060 right stuff.
00:49:35.580 I think they might
00:49:36.200 have left a chemtrail
00:49:37.000 or two.
00:49:38.660 Kidding.
00:49:39.780 Okay, we're going to
00:49:40.280 be back here, 10 a.m.
00:49:41.780 Eastern Time tomorrow
00:49:42.420 morning.
00:49:43.040 We're going to be in
00:49:44.000 Bethlehem with Jason
00:49:45.800 Jones, and we're going
00:49:46.740 to be at St. Peter's
00:49:48.340 Square with Ben
00:49:49.400 Harnwell on Christmas
00:49:50.380 Eve.
00:49:50.940 Join us.
00:49:51.220 It's going to be
00:49:51.440 special.
00:49:51.960 See you tomorrow
00:49:52.340 morning.
00:49:52.580 Cheers.
00:49:53.620 Cheers.
00:49:55.140 Cheers.
00:49:55.600 Cheers.
00:49:56.300 Cheers.
00:49:56.520 Cheers.
00:49:56.920 Cheers.
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00:50:02.100 Cheers.
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