Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 918： Ben Harnwell Interview With Petr Bystron MEP (AfD, Germany)

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00:01:32.720 Welcome, Harnell here, at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.

00:01:38.580 That footage was recorded by the War Room's favourite member of the European Parliament for the AFD,

00:01:45.900 the Alternative for Deutschland, Peter Bystron, who joins us again today.

00:01:49.640 Peter, thanks for coming on the show.

00:01:51.020 So how, explain to us, how did it happen?

00:01:55.300 How are you recording the American national anthem?

00:01:59.120 Where have you been this week?

00:02:00.200 Well, this recording is coming from New York, from the Gala of the Young Republicans.

00:02:10.680 It was a fantastic event.

00:02:12.860 You saw it, many, many people there.

00:02:15.720 Not only from New York, but also a huge delegation, AFD from Germany.

00:02:21.140 Huge delegation, Fidesz from Hungary.

00:02:25.040 There were also friends from Lega, Italy, others from Serbia and others.

00:02:30.200 So really a magnificent event.

00:02:35.560 And did you speak?

00:02:38.620 Yes, there was a representative of the AFD, Markus Frommeyer, who is now in charge as a foreign policy speaker in the German Bundestag,

00:02:51.420 which I was for four years before.

00:02:56.180 And he had a very nice speech.

00:02:59.780 He received even an award from the Young Republicans.

00:03:04.460 So we were really present as AFD, yeah.

00:03:09.520 Now, I know one of the things that you've been following over the last couple of weeks as closely as we have here on the War Room

00:03:14.960 is the US national security strategy.

00:03:19.180 And one of the things, looking at that document, that some people were calling for is a stronger relationship

00:03:24.540 between the US administration, the Trump administration, and political parties here in continental Europe

00:03:32.500 that have a natural affinity towards what Donald Trump is trying to do.

00:03:36.780 And, of course, the AFD is in pride of place amongst that.

00:03:40.840 When you were there in New York, do you get the feeling now that something is changing

00:03:46.120 and that the Trump administration is really, in the final three years of this mandate,

00:03:51.120 is looking to construct a proper, serious working relationship with his natural allies here in Europe?

00:04:00.220 Are you serious?

00:04:03.560 We were not talking about anything else than the security strategy of the United States.

00:04:08.180 And not only in New York.

00:04:09.620 I mean, the New York gala, it was just the last of many meetings I had.

00:04:15.020 I was the whole week in the United States.

00:04:17.280 And for the first days I have been in Washington, D.C., I talked to a congressman, a representative of the Trump administration.

00:04:27.480 And, well, of course, the new security strategy of the United States, it was the ground for all those talks.

00:04:38.300 Look, this document is changing the world, and it's fixing in a new way the relationship between Europe and the United States.

00:04:52.200 And it caused also a huge boho around the mainstream media in Germany, especially because for the first time,

00:05:05.060 the Trump administration publicly admitted that Trump and his people are going to support conservative parties like the AFD in Germany.

00:05:17.520 I saw one of the photos, and that was up on the screen just a few moments ago, I think it was you and Ed Martin.

00:05:26.700 How did that go?

00:05:29.480 Well, this is Ed Martin.

00:05:31.040 It's one of my meetings with the Trump administration.

00:05:34.300 It is the Department of Justice.

00:05:36.080 And we had several talking points.

00:05:41.660 You know, on one side, we are very interested in what the U.S. government is doing with the investigation of the weaponization of justice against the opposition.

00:05:55.680 We are facing the same threat in Europe.

00:06:00.400 I mean, you are talking to a guy who had a 27 home searching on myself, on my friends, in my surrounding, in my case.

00:06:06.840 And there are many, many others, you know, there are people like David Bendels, the chief editor of Deutschlandkurier,

00:06:14.440 who just got a seven-month-in-prison sentence in a trial just because his magazine published a meme with the interior minister

00:06:25.660 holding up a piece of paper saying, I hate freedom of expression.

00:06:30.940 And I mean, besides that that's true, it's just a meme, you know, and this is absolutely unlawful to charge a chief editor of a magazine for this.

00:06:43.380 You know, this is breaking our constitution.

00:06:46.320 This is violation of everything what used to be European values in the past.

00:06:53.760 And there are many other examples like this.

00:06:57.900 So we exchanged on this and how to handle it.

00:07:01.960 And we strongly, we are now, we decided that we will do also investigations, parliamentarian investigations,

00:07:12.840 as the U.S. government is doing in the U.S.

00:07:18.860 So we will do it in the European Parliament, we will do it in the German Parliament,

00:07:21.860 and this will be the start of a parliamentarian investigation on those cases.

00:07:31.280 And on the other side, and this is really very important also,

00:07:34.920 the Department of Justice was very interesting on the results of our work, of our investigations in Europe,

00:07:41.240 because we discovered that the European Union is heavily financing Americans' NGOs, U.S. NGOs.

00:07:50.460 And this I can explain on two cases.

00:07:55.860 The first case is the NGO called OCCRP.

00:08:02.380 And quite nobody knows it, but it's very influential.

00:08:05.000 The boss of this NGO, Mr. Sullivan, he stated in front of TV cameras that his organization is responsible for regime changes in five or maybe six countries.

00:08:19.280 He wasn't sure if it's five or six, but he was sure that his organization is responsible for that.

00:08:24.660 And knowing this, I just have to add this, the OCCRP members are the biggest publishing houses in Europe.

00:08:35.680 And they had been secretly financed through the OCCRP over decades from a U.S. budget.

00:08:43.600 And they received information, most likely from secret services.

00:08:49.440 And they were not allowed to disclose this source of information.

00:08:54.380 And they were even not allowed to disclose that they are financed from the United States.

00:09:01.320 And Donald Trump stopped the financing of this NGO through the USAID.

00:09:07.800 And guess what?

00:09:09.720 The European Union paid them €600,000 just right after the election for the European Parliament.

00:09:16.820 And for what?

00:09:18.260 But the members of OCCRP, the biggest publishing houses in Germany, for example, Spiegel or Süddeutsche Zeitung or Die Zeit,

00:09:28.140 those are exactly those media who were running the biggest blackmailing campaigns against all EU critics running in those EU elections.

00:09:38.260 So the media who blackmailed EU critics received €600,000 right after the election.

00:09:46.320 Peter, let me just, if I may, clarify what you've said, because that's really explosive, right?

00:09:54.300 If I've understood this correctly.

00:09:55.840 You're saying that U.S. taxpayers' money has been funneled via U.S. aid

00:10:05.180 to the European Union to the German mainstream media press

00:10:15.400 to run combative anti-AFD articles in Germany before the last German election.

00:10:24.620 And the money from the dollars arrived just after the election.

00:10:29.760 So it's a clear bribery.

00:10:31.680 And let me just, before you answer that, it seems very similar to me to the fact that it just emerged

00:10:38.480 that via, again, U.S. aid, they bribed Time magazine $4 million, if I've understood this correctly,

00:10:49.240 to name Zelensky Man of the Year, which is astonishing.

00:10:53.300 Now, you have a lot of people saying, oh, it's outrageous that President Trump has suppressed this,

00:10:58.380 he's doing loads of good work saving lives in Africa and all the rest of it.

00:11:02.220 And perhaps some of that is true, but the word really needs to get out,

00:11:08.860 especially to the American audience, to American taxpayers, that in addition to the good work,

00:11:15.740 that's just simply a pretext that actual motivations for President Trump sort of suppressing this

00:11:24.640 is what's been going on sort of off-radar behind the scenes.

00:11:29.540 Please clarify that. Peter Bystron, you're a senior member of the European Parliament.

00:11:35.720 You spent, what, eight years in the German Parliament.

00:11:38.700 You understand how these things work.

00:11:41.020 Can you confirm for me that I understood you correctly?

00:11:45.540 U.S. taxpayers' money was being funneled via USAID into a German media to run anti-AfD articles before the last election.

00:11:57.180 Have I understood that right? That is explosive.

00:12:00.260 Well, you got it right. But it was even worse because it's not just about German media blackmailing the AFD.

00:12:07.060 It's about the European media blackmailing all the EU critics.

00:12:12.240 And it's about massive election fraud.

00:12:16.400 It's about massive manipulation of the elections.

00:12:20.760 So we can prove that the last two elections for the European Parliament had been manipulated by massive campaigning of the OCCRP media.

00:12:34.920 Let's give me an example.

00:12:36.860 This is interesting to dip into it, how it happened.

00:12:40.860 The last election for the European Parliament was influenced by the so-called Ibiza affair.

00:12:48.380 There was a villa on the Spanish island of Ibiza, which was rented, and then hidden cameras were implemented into it, and microphones.

00:13:01.280 And the head of the FPO party at that time, Hans Christian Strache, was invited there, and he had talks with the woman.

00:13:09.680 And she was also ranted, and she pretended she was a Russian billionaire, and she would like to finance the party, and so on.

00:13:15.620 And they had talks. Six hours of talks were recorded.

00:13:19.600 Strache did nothing illegal.

00:13:21.600 He always said, OK, we can work together, but it has to be legal.

00:13:26.660 But they created this material, six hours.

00:13:30.860 They put it somewhere, and they waited two years.

00:13:37.040 And then, two years later, just 10 days before the election for the European Parliament, OCCRP media started a scandal.

00:13:48.380 They published just six minutes, manipulated six minutes of this recording, and they said, this is a scandal, there was a corruption, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:57.800 They put down the FPO party from 28% down to 17.5%, so nearly 10%, minus the government fell apart, and the election was heavily manipulated.

00:14:19.380 You will see the results of the election would be completely different.

00:14:23.220 And those were two German media, Der Spiegel and Süddeutsche Zeitung, who started this campaign.

00:14:34.200 Strache won all trials afterwards, because he sued everybody who he could.

00:14:40.640 He won everything, but it didn't help him, because the election was over.

00:14:45.360 The results were manipulated.

00:14:47.240 He lost his government.

00:14:49.640 Peter, stand by, we'll pick this point up, because it's very important in two minutes' time after this short break.

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00:15:33.080 I just want to put the context to what Peter Bystrom was saying before the break, because this is so important.

00:15:38.820 You have the idea in America that money being spent by USAID around the world is working towards eliminating malaria in Africa and that sort of thing.

00:15:48.240 And some of that money is doing that.

00:15:49.620 But it is also being used to subvert the democratic process here in continental Europe and specifically to campaign against, to work against MAGA's natural allies in continental Europe at election time.

00:16:10.360 Now, Peter Bystrom, come back and finish this point, because my memory of this then is that the Ibiza non-scandal, which effectively, I think, if memory serves me correctly, destroyed the political career of the then-chancellor, Sebastian Kurz.

00:16:31.980 And you were saying it hit the FPO very badly in the elections.

00:16:36.900 Now, the FPO, the Austrian Freedom Party, is massively anti-invasion.

00:16:43.360 Like the AFD, it's the natural sister party of the AFD.

00:16:46.380 The AFD is in Germany, the FPO is in Austria.

00:16:52.020 And that scandal, inverted commas, that manufactured synthetic scandal, worked to destroy the political momentum of a natural MAGA partner in continental Europe.

00:17:11.580 And Americans don't know this.

00:17:15.460 American taxpayers don't know this because the American media is misrepresenting the truth to them, doing what the mainstream media does naturally.

00:17:26.440 It keeps you unaware of what you don't know and misinformed about what you do know.

00:17:32.600 Peter Bystrom, please continue this point, because it's important to know that when President Trump moves to suppress USAID, it's not because he wants small African kids to die of malaria.

00:17:48.540 It's because that is an agency that is out of control in the United States, not only acting with U.S. taxpayers' money to manipulate elections on continental Europe, but it's also, as we mentioned just before, being used to create pro-Zelensky propaganda.

00:18:09.680 As I say, $4 million is the figure I've seen quoted in the press to bribe Time magazine to make Zelensky their man of the year.

00:18:19.520 And we'll talk about Ukraine, because there have been important developments.

00:18:23.160 We'll talk about Ukraine in a moment.

00:18:24.600 But please just finish this point, because it is so important.

00:18:30.380 And what President Trump is doing now, not only with the suppression of USAID, but also with the U.S. national security strategy, this is so important.

00:18:41.160 And it is what we here in continental Europe, Peter Bystrom, what we have been crying out for from this administration.

00:18:49.220 And it's now following through, right?

00:18:54.600 Yeah, look, I think the era of mass migration is over.

00:19:06.500 Yeah.

00:19:08.100 And you said it, your natural partners in Europe, we, AFD, are the freedoms decades, you know, the last 10 years, since 2015, very intensively.

00:19:22.040 And at that time, the Freedom Party was in the Austrian government.

00:19:31.860 And they were saying as well, the era of mass migration is over.

00:19:35.860 As Donald Trump is saying it now, they were even doing it, you know.

00:19:41.240 And at that time, in the U.S., the official U.S. security strategy was stating the total opposite, you know.

00:19:54.740 It said, like, we have to promote migration, we should organize, and so on, and so on.

00:20:03.280 So they were really pushing for migration.

00:20:06.080 And now imagine what, for American taxpayers' money.

00:20:10.480 And it went through the USAID.

00:20:13.360 They financed regime changes and blackmailing of those natural MAGA allies.

00:20:21.900 And it was, I think, J.D.

00:20:23.700 Wentz who said only 17% of the USAID money went for what you said, the little black kids in Africa, and, you know, so they don't get malaria.

00:20:38.240 But the other 83% were used for regime changes, manipulation of election, and so on, and so on.

00:20:47.920 And it happened even at the last European election.

00:20:52.960 And I know it because I was target of it, one of the targets.

00:20:56.820 And it was, again, with the same pattern.

00:20:59.680 Some secret services created a blackmail material, like then in Ibiza.

00:21:06.720 This time it was called Voice of Europe.

00:21:10.640 And they said, there is a website in Prague created by Ukrainian refugees.

00:21:17.400 And this website is a tool of Putin's propaganda, and it will influence the elections and the election to the European Parliament.

00:21:24.760 So let's be clear here, like Spiegel.

00:21:32.640 Let's be clear here, Peter.

00:21:34.160 What they're doing is the very thing, and this always takes place, the very thing that they're accusing you of that you're not doing is what they are doing themselves.

00:21:49.480 You hit the nail.

00:21:50.760 This is absolutely what they are doing.

00:21:53.500 Yeah.

00:21:53.620 In our case, it was that they created, you know, a blackmailing campaign.

00:21:59.960 They said they have a secret service material, like with Ibiza.

00:22:04.800 But this time they even didn't show it.

00:22:07.160 No one ever saw this secret service material.

00:22:10.900 But they accused the website, which was created by Ukrainian refugees in Prague, called Voice of Europe.

00:22:20.480 They said, oh, this website was a tool of Putin's propaganda.

00:22:27.720 And through this website, the whole elections to the European Parliament across all Europe should be manipulated.

00:22:36.600 And in addition to that, many politicians who gave an interview to this website, they had been bribed by Putin.

00:22:46.560 They received millions of euros in cash.

00:22:50.380 I mean, this sounds already stupid, but one Czech journalist, he was just proving this, you know, and he looked on the website and said, wait a second, wait a second. 0.63

00:23:05.220 And how a website of Ukrainian refugees, which has like five likes on YouTube for their videos, how can they influence the whole election in the Czech Republic? 0.78

00:23:16.940 But this question, this work was not done by the OCCRP media, the biggest media houses across Europe.

00:23:25.320 They were spreading this fake news.

00:23:27.560 They did over 250 articles only about me in Germany and more other in other countries on colleagues of mine who are also EU critical and who were against the war in Ukraine.

00:23:42.780 So they blackmailed us weeks before the election to the European Parliament, and it had a really tremendous effect.

00:23:52.660 It pushed us down.

00:23:54.860 And some of those colleagues, like a colleague in Netherlands, he even didn't pass to the European Parliament because he was pushed under the 5% level.

00:24:05.340 So, again, the majorities in the current European Parliament were heavily manipulated by campaigns, media campaigns, done by OCCRP media.

00:24:23.220 Let me ask you this, Peter.

00:24:25.080 We've got like two minutes before the break, so it'll be a quick question, quick answer.

00:24:30.800 But the largest aid agency in the world isn't the American one.

00:24:36.980 It's the one run by the European Union.

00:24:39.920 That's the European Overseas Development Budget, it's the largest aid, dispersive aid in the world.

00:24:46.780 Is there, following your conversations with the U.S. administration and President Trump's heroic suppression of U.S. aid,

00:24:56.460 is there any movement now, or are you in a position in the European Parliament now to suppress the European Union's development aid budget

00:25:08.740 in the same way that President Trump has done in the United States, for the same reason?

00:25:14.540 No way.

00:25:18.860 We don't have the majorities for that.

00:25:20.660 We can only discover what they have done, what they have paid, what they have financed.

00:25:26.340 We can follow the money, and we are doing it.

00:25:29.660 Due to the manipulated majorities in the European Parliament, we can do it.

00:25:35.700 But this is the point, if the election wasn't manipulated, if the election wasn't stolen, we would have the majority maybe, you know,

00:25:44.680 and then the things would look completely in a different way.

00:25:49.660 It's important, I think, for our American audience to realise that in exactly the same way the presidential election,

00:26:01.220 President Trump's second victory in 2020 was stolen, in exactly the same way the same people were involved in putting their thumb on the scale

00:26:12.080 in the European Union for the same reasons as well.

00:26:14.680 Only the problem is that now they're not going to get away with it anymore because President Trump has won in 2024,

00:26:22.820 and now he's sort of not only in the United States but also in the European Union moving to stop these outrages against democracy from taking place again.

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00:29:52.680 So we were saying just before the break that I think one of the consequences of the positive consequences of Trump's third victory in 2024 is that he's now able to redress some of the actions of the American deep state,

00:30:16.360 which has been trying successfully to alter the outcome of elections here in continental Europe.

00:30:23.880 Peter Bystrom, from your perch there in the European Parliament, do you not think it is strange that the very paladins who have launched how many 20, 24 home invasions, 27, they've invaded your home 27 times because they say you are anti-democratic.

00:30:45.080 Is it not strange to you that the very people who are doing this themselves are involved in the anti-democratic undermining of actual election victories and using American taxpayer money to pervert the course of the democratic process?

00:31:03.060 Does that not strike you somewhat as ironic?

00:31:08.180 Well, sure it is.

00:31:09.620 This is a classical, yeah, it's Orwell, Orwell, 2.0 we say in Germany, you know, and of course, those people implemented laws in Germany against the opposition which are saying they're called laws against the delegitimation of the state.

00:31:34.920 So if you're criticizing their bad governance, they are saying they are not, that we are not criticizing them, but that we would de-legitimate the state, the whole state, you know, but in fact, they are legitimating the state, the whole constitution and everything that they're doing.

00:31:54.680 This is exactly what they are doing.

00:31:55.680 This is exactly what they do.

00:31:57.680 And the ninth thing is that Trump experienced the same when he was not in power.

00:32:06.680 And now he learned the lesson.

00:32:11.680 And the Trump administration is very, very straight in defeating this misbehavior within the state and that this is what lets us back to the national security strategy.

00:32:25.680 And one of those points which are stated there is the protection of core rights and liberties.

00:32:32.680 And the United States says, of course, we are a country of the free, but there is also a very nice sentence towards the rest of the world, towards European Union, and I would like to quote it.

00:32:47.680 We will oppose elite-driven anti-democratic restriction on core liberties in Europe.

00:32:56.680 And this is exactly what hits our enemies most.

00:33:01.680 They see that we have the support of Donald Trump, of his government.

00:33:06.680 And this is what created the panic around our visit in Washington, D.C. and in New York.

00:33:16.680 Now, tell me about that, because you were part of that delegation, the AFD delegation, over to America last week.

00:33:23.680 Tell me about that.

00:33:24.680 Tell me more about the meetings that you had, because you were saying earlier how you met with Ed Martin and followers of the war.

00:33:31.680 And we'll know that Ed Martin's a great guy.

00:33:34.680 And you also went, I think, to the New York Stock Exchange and what have you.

00:33:39.680 Tell me, as far as you're able to say publicly, what are you specifically asking for from the U.S. administration now as to how they can put the national security strategy into practice?

00:33:56.680 Did you tell us, as I say, as far as you're able to talk publicly about this?

00:34:01.680 And as you're intimating just a moment or so ago, this is why the European establishment is now sort of absolutely terrified of this growing relationship between the AFD and the Trump administration, right?

00:34:15.680 They're absolutely terrified.

00:34:17.680 Yeah.

00:34:18.680 Yeah.

00:34:19.680 Of course, because, you know, we are facing a tremendous oppression of the opposition within Germany, within the European Union since years.

00:34:28.680 There are cases you wouldn't believe, you know.

00:34:32.680 There was a guy called Michael Balwig.

00:34:35.680 He was the leader of the opposition during the corona times.

00:34:38.680 He was organizing demonstrations against the government, which were absolutely peaceful, absolutely democratic.

00:34:44.680 It's all covered through our constitution.

00:34:47.680 But guess what?

00:34:48.680 The German government put him into jail for nine months.

00:34:54.680 Just imagine, for nine months without a trial.

00:34:57.680 There was no trial, no judge.

00:35:00.680 They put him just under arrest, and they prolonged it, and then they made six months out of it, and afterwards nine months.

00:35:08.680 So the guy spent nine months in jail, and at the end it comes out that he's completely innocent.

00:35:17.680 Of course he was.

00:35:19.680 But this way they cut off the head of the whole opposition, of the street opposition, during the corona time.

00:35:27.680 And, you know, if something like this would happen in Russia, you would see it on every news on CNN every evening.

00:35:37.680 Like dictator Putin put some opposition guy into jail with all the trial, blah, blah, blah, you know.

00:35:44.680 And in Germany, nobody covered it.

00:35:46.680 You know, you don't know it.

00:35:48.680 And the most people in Germany even don't know it because the mainstream media were not saying it, you know.

00:35:54.680 And there are other cases.

00:35:56.680 I was talking, for example, with the congressman in D.C. about the case Naomi Seidt, who is also a born German.

00:36:06.680 She is now, but she's now living in D.C.

00:36:10.680 She's an influencer. 0.99

00:36:11.680 She's on YouTube.

00:36:12.680 She's very close to Elon Musk, you know.

00:36:15.680 She has a big account on eggs, and she was very critical towards the German government.

00:36:20.680 And she was facing such an oppression in Germany that she left.

00:36:24.680 She had to leave.

00:36:25.680 Now she's living in the U.S., and she was asking for asylum. 0.99

00:36:28.680 So we are in the moment we have such a situation in Germany and in the European Union that our citizens are living the country and seeking for asylum in the United States of America.

00:36:43.680 It's like in the times of communism.

00:36:45.680 I've seen similar cases where parents who want to homeschool their children have fled to the United States seeking political asylum for the same thing.

00:36:56.680 I just want to come back to the point that you mentioned that this guy, this opposition leader, had nine months in jail without trial and was later found to be innocent.

00:37:06.680 Does that not delegitimize the German state?

00:37:11.680 Yeah, sure, sure.

00:37:13.680 I mean, just look at what they said.

00:37:16.680 They accused him of some taxation fraud.

00:37:20.680 So they said, okay, he should pay some taxes to the state, and he committed some fraud.

00:37:25.680 After the nine months come out that not he committed a fraud, a taxation fraud.

00:37:34.680 But the state is owing him more than €200,000 in taxes to be paid back.

00:37:43.680 Well, of course, what else is this than a delegitimation of the whole juridical system of the whole state if you do something like this?

00:37:57.680 So it means if we would be in power, I think we would be able to put in jail those people who implemented those laws about the delegitimation of the states because they are all doing it.

00:38:12.680 They are all breaking the laws.

00:38:14.680 So they could go into jail after a few weeks.

00:38:19.680 So this would be exactly what's taking place in America right now because some people are saying that President Trump is using the DOJ to persecute his enemies.

00:38:33.680 In reality, what's taking place right now is a correction because it was under the Biden regime and Merrick Garland that the weaponized DOJ was used against Donald Trump and his associates.

00:38:46.680 They sent Steve Bannon to jail for four months, right?

00:38:53.680 Yeah.

00:38:54.680 So the argument is the people who perverted the course of justice under Biden now need to undergo the same process, not for revenge or for vendetta, but to ensure that that corruption of the judicial process never happens again.

00:39:12.680 And it's the same thing as what you're talking about, hopefully, when the AFD will take power at the next elections in Germany.

00:39:19.680 Yeah, absolutely.

00:39:21.680 Absolutely.

00:39:22.680 They're misusing the heuristical system.

00:39:25.680 They're misusing all the power they have, you know.

00:39:28.680 Now it's very popular in Germany to ride people's houses just because they posted something on Facebook or on X, which is absolutely anti-constitutional.

00:39:41.680 Or what is also very popular is to charge people for weaving.

00:39:49.680 And they're always saying, oh, they are doing a Hitler salute, you know.

00:39:53.680 That happened even to me.

00:39:54.680 I had to pay €11,000 fine just because I published a picture, a photo of Angela Merkel who was weaving.

00:40:03.680 And they previously, more than a thousand times, the Attorney General said, no, Angela Merkel on this picture is not doing a Hitler salute. 0.95

00:40:13.680 This is a former German Chancellor and she's just weaving. 0.86

00:40:16.680 This is not a Hitler salute.

00:40:17.680 But in the moment when I publish it on X, they said, oh, Peter Biestron is publishing it because it looks like a Hitler salute.

00:40:24.680 So we will charge him €11,000 fine for publishing this picture, you know.

00:40:29.680 And this is happening again and again.

00:40:32.680 You know, I'm not the only one.

00:40:34.680 There are even more terrible cases.

00:40:36.680 A colleague of mine who has not really a right hand, you know.

00:40:41.680 And they charge him for doing a Hitler salute.

00:40:45.680 And he says, how can I do a Hitler salute?

00:40:48.680 I don't have a right hand, a right arm.

00:40:51.680 But they did.

00:40:52.680 And he lost nearly €70,000 on different charges of fines they took on him.

00:41:04.680 So it's really terrible.

00:41:06.680 We are facing terrible times.

00:41:09.680 Just to answer this quickly before we go to the next break.

00:41:12.680 These convictions where they take place, where people actually have trials.

00:41:17.680 Are these jury trials in Germany or is it simply a judge sitting on the bench and deciding a person's guilt without a jury?

00:41:28.680 Well, Germany has a different system than the United States of America.

00:41:36.680 It's not very common to have a big jury.

00:41:40.680 So we have trials.

00:41:43.680 There are judges, sometimes alone.

00:41:46.680 Sometimes there are two or three, but just judges.

00:41:50.680 So there is no jury.

00:41:52.680 The final thing I want to discuss with you today, and this was development a short while ago, was the fact that Ursula von der Leyen's intention to confiscate some,

00:42:07.680 about $250 billion worth of Russian assets in order to fund the Ukrainian side of the war, was rejected.

00:42:21.680 Belgium, I think, was pretty much, I mean, you have Hungary there as well.

00:42:25.680 Italy surprisingly opposed this manoeuvre.

00:42:29.680 I wonder whether this represents a more long-term reorientation of the Maloney government.

00:42:36.680 Hungary, Italy, but specifically Belgium had opposed this, Belgium holding most of the Russian assets in question,

00:42:44.680 saying if it were to do this, it would fundamentally undermine international confidence in its financial infrastructure,

00:42:55.680 quite rightly as well, because it would be extrajudicial.

00:42:59.680 So tell me your view in Germany on this.

00:43:03.680 Is the opinion starting to move against the Mets government right now with regards to Ukraine?

00:43:11.680 How are people reacting to the government's intention to reintroduce conscription, for example?

00:43:21.680 Is that popular or unpopular?

00:43:23.680 I see a number of polls which say that the German youth don't even want to fight for Germany if it were to be attacked, let alone Ukraine.

00:43:32.680 What is the view right now on regards to Ukraine and the ending of the war?

00:43:38.680 Even if Ursula von der Leyen is able to get this $105 billion loan to Ukraine, it's absolutely clear that Ukraine isn't going to be able to win this war.

00:43:51.680 So it's just a means, a technical means of making the suffering and the manslaughter go on even longer.

00:44:01.680 Tell me from your perspective now, what is happening in Germany with regards to this?

00:44:06.680 Look, the same people who destroyed completely German Bundeswehr in the last years.

00:44:13.680 The same people who destroyed the national crowd of the whole nations for decades, you know, 0.92

00:44:21.680 who were throwing away the German flags into the bin.

00:44:26.680 They are now asking the people to defend the country with their lives.

00:44:35.680 Of course, nobody wants to do it, especially not for Ukraine, because we know that, firstly, it will change nothing. 0.97

00:44:47.680 You know, Ukraine is losing anyway.

00:44:50.680 Second, the money we put in, a big part of it was stolen.

00:44:57.680 And as we see at the latest corruption scandal, the corrupt elites in the Ukraine,

00:45:06.680 they bought golden toilets and stuff like this for themselves from our taxpayers' money.

00:45:14.680 So the people don't want it.

00:45:16.680 And it's not just in Germany.

00:45:18.680 There are recent polls done by really, very reputable U.S. institutes,

00:45:30.680 which are saying that over 70%, 73% of the Ukrainians are saying they want the war stopped.

00:45:41.680 And even if the Russians will keep the territories they conquered, but the Ukrainians, they don't want the war continues.

00:45:50.680 So the Germans don't want the war continues.

00:45:53.680 The Ukrainians don't want, as well the U.S. citizens, they don't want the war is going on.

00:46:02.680 And some European leaders, they're still pushing for it.

00:46:11.680 And it's Merz and Keir Starmer of Great Britain.

00:46:17.680 And they just decided to put some 90 billion of euro.

00:46:22.680 You said how much U.S. dollar is it?

00:46:24.680 More than 120 billion U.S. dollar.

00:46:29.680 And they want to finance it.

00:46:30.680 And of course, it's not possible.

00:46:32.680 But this is great for you guys.

00:46:34.680 But this is great for the AFD, right?

00:46:36.680 This is great for the AFD.

00:46:38.680 The fact that Friedrich Mertz is continuing to push on this, on such an unpopular issue, threatening conscription.

00:46:46.680 And this is great for you, to be cynical, to be brutally cynical about this.

00:46:52.680 Well, this is really very cynical.

00:46:54.680 And I don't want to celebrate this fact, you know, because this is a very high price for some points, some more percents.

00:47:09.680 We would love the war stops. 0.63

00:47:12.680 We did already in 2023 a peace proposal.

00:47:19.680 And under my leadership as a foreign policy speaker in the German Bundestag, we published this paper.

00:47:26.680 And it's quite the same like what Donald Trump offered in his 28-point peace program.

00:47:36.680 And so we would like the war stops.

00:47:39.680 We don't want the innocent guys dying for really nothing and nothing, you know.

00:47:45.680 And what happened in the last year, last two, three years, the Russians move forward. 0.90

00:47:52.680 So all those weapons, all those money we send in didn't change the result of the war in favor of Ukraine.

00:48:03.680 And on contrary, half a million young boys died and many others are injured so that the country suffered terrible losses.

00:48:15.680 So we should we should stop the war as soon as possible. 0.68

00:48:18.680 And what the Mertz and co are doing, it's absolutely terrible.

00:48:28.680 It is terrible.

00:48:29.680 And I think, you know, I think we are going to see significant movement on the popular front on this issue.

00:48:35.680 Peter Bystron, that is the end of the show.

00:48:38.680 Very grateful for you staying with us now for the whole of this hour to discuss these themes.

00:48:43.680 I hope you'll come back on the show in the new year and give us updates.

00:48:47.680 In the meantime, on social media, I know you're active on social media.

00:48:50.680 Where can people go?

00:48:52.680 You are to keep up with your interventions.

00:48:55.680 You are the war room's favorite AFD MEP.

00:48:59.680 Where do people go?

00:49:01.680 The best way is to get in touch via X, Peter Bystron AFD.

00:49:08.680 That's my account.

00:49:10.680 And there's many of the content is in English, so we can discuss, we can share.

00:49:17.680 Just have a look into it.

00:49:20.680 Peter Bystron, thanks as always.

00:49:22.680 Catch up again with you soon.

00:49:24.680 That's the end of the show.

00:49:25.680 I want to thank Vittorio Franco, who helped put this show together.

00:49:29.680 Cameron Wallace, our producer.

00:49:31.680 And Will and his crack team at Real America's Voice in Denver.

00:49:36.680 Folks, you won't have any idea how hard they worked on this show today.

00:49:40.680 Thanks very much.

00:49:41.680 Catch up again with you soon next week.

00:49:42.680 God bless for now.

Bannon's War Room - December 31, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 918： Ben Harnwell Interview With Petr Bystron MEP (AfD, Germany)

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