Bannon's War Room - January 10, 2026


WarRoom Battleground EP 923： Harnwell One On One With Austrian Lobbyist Gunther Fehlinger And John Rudat, Knifed In The Face In Germany

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In this episode, Gunther Ferlinger-Jahn, who is the chairman of the Austrian Committee for NATO Enlargement, joins us to discuss some of the things he's been saying on social media about the Trump administration.

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
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00:00:14.000 at all these networks lying about the people.
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00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 MAGA Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul,
00:00:31.000 I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000 Ask yourself,
00:00:35.000 what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country,
00:00:41.000 this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room.
00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:48.000 Friday 9th of January, Anno Domini, 2026.
00:01:00.000 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.
00:01:03.000 Folks, we've made it through to Friday.
00:01:05.000 It's the end of the week.
00:01:06.000 We're all in one piece.
00:01:07.000 A great show coming up for you this evening.
00:01:11.000 We've got Gunther Ferlinger-Jahn,
00:01:13.000 who is the chairman of the Austrian Committee for NATO Enlargement,
00:01:17.000 to discuss some of the things he's been saying.
00:01:20.000 Gunther, welcome onto the show.
00:01:22.000 Good evening to you.
00:01:23.000 Thanks for coming on.
00:01:24.000 Thanks a lot.
00:01:25.000 Thanks for the invitation.
00:01:26.000 Hello, America.
00:01:27.000 No, no, no.
00:01:28.000 No, no.
00:01:29.000 You're most welcome.
00:01:31.000 Just to give a few words, introduction about you.
00:01:34.000 We'll talk about the Austrian Committee for NATO Enlargement in a moment,
00:01:38.000 but your political background is the European People's Party,
00:01:43.000 which is the centre-right collective across the European Union.
00:01:49.000 We criticise on the show quite a bit the EPP,
00:01:53.000 as we tend to favour the more nationalist right-wing movements.
00:01:58.000 I'm very grateful, therefore, that you've stepped into the lion's den this evening.
00:02:03.000 Your professional background is that you were the Secretary General of SME Europe,
00:02:08.000 which is the main organisation representing small and medium-sized businesses
00:02:13.000 to the European Union,
00:02:15.000 which is obviously something that knowing a little bit about the European People's Party,
00:02:19.000 especially in the German-Austrian context, is politically taken very seriously.
00:02:25.000 We've got you on the show this evening, Gunther,
00:02:27.000 to discuss some of your comments that you've made on social media,
00:02:31.000 specifically about your contention that if President Trump should take Greenland,
00:02:38.000 then Austria should seize the US bases in Austria.
00:02:43.000 First of all, we'll hear that you say that in your own words right now,
00:02:47.000 and then we'll come back and dig down on your thesis.
00:02:52.000 I just said very clearly that America should not touch our land,
00:02:56.000 and no to any kind of annexation of Greenland.
00:03:00.000 And please, we will take all your bases in Europe if you do it.
00:03:05.000 That's fine. We're going to play a quick video, however, as an introduction. Standby.
00:03:12.000 Every single base of the Americans from Aviano to Rammstein from Romania to all the other military bases
00:03:20.000 will be confiscated, and you will lose it.
00:03:23.000 And the whole position of American power since World War II,
00:03:26.000 if you take Greenland, you have to leave.
00:03:29.000 It's very simple, Mrs. Miller. This is the leverage we have. 0.69
00:03:32.000 You need the spaces for global power protection.
00:03:35.000 You won't have it.
00:03:36.000 And we can defend ourselves very well.
00:03:39.000 And we will do that without the US nuclear shield,
00:03:42.000 without the US troops in Europe, without the American bases.
00:03:46.000 We will simply run the spaces ourselves,
00:03:49.000 and we run your boys home into Chicago and Ohio.
00:03:52.000 And goodbye.
00:03:53.000 If you go extreme, we go extreme as well.
00:03:55.000 Be sure about it.
00:03:56.000 Well, normally on the show, Gunther, we have people who broadly agree with the general editorial thrust of the war,
00:04:06.000 and this is going to be a different type of show this evening.
00:04:09.000 We're going to have some real differences of opinion.
00:04:11.000 First off, perhaps you just say a little bit.
00:04:15.000 We're going to dig down on what you said most recently,
00:04:18.000 your most controversial, if I may, thesis.
00:04:21.000 But before that, just say a little bit about what the Austrian Committee on NATO Enlargement is.
00:04:27.000 What is that you stand for as chairman?
00:04:31.000 I'm the leading Austrian pro-American, and I want Austria to join NATO.
00:04:36.000 That's why I created this committee, and I want an enlarged and strong NATO,
00:04:41.000 where Ukraine, Kosovo, Bosnia, and all the countries are members.
00:04:45.000 And we want to have a strong united Europe.
00:04:48.000 We want to defeat Russia, liberate Ukraine, 0.95
00:04:51.000 and we want actually to be very friendly with the United States,
00:04:54.000 and to help us, and to be united together with the United States in the victory of the free world.
00:05:01.000 Of course, Austria is famously neutral.
00:05:06.000 How does this go down, this view, in your native Austria?
00:05:12.000 Look, Austria was liberated by the Americans and by the Soviet Union in 1945,
00:05:18.000 and we were divided and occupied for 10 years.
00:05:21.000 Then we got our sovereignty.
00:05:23.000 We had to accept, by the will of the Soviet Union, this neutrality status.
00:05:27.000 But it's no longer valid, and we need to be in NATO.
00:05:31.000 And the Americans would also benefit from Austria to be in NATO.
00:05:36.000 And it's absolutely time for us to join NATO.
00:05:39.000 It's not the majority in Austria at the moment, but I will change the public opinion.
00:05:44.000 Same like in Sweden, same like in Finland.
00:05:46.000 And these two other neutral nations, they came to the wisdom to join NATO in 2022,
00:05:53.000 because of the Russian war against Ukraine and all of us.
00:05:57.000 And Austria will come as well to the wisdom and join NATO.
00:06:01.000 Austria has about 20,000 troops, I think, in uniform at any one time.
00:06:11.000 And America has, I think, a million troops in uniform at any one time.
00:06:16.000 How exactly do you propose to seize, via force, the US bases in Austria?
00:06:26.000 Look, there are no American bases in Austria.
00:06:29.000 The American bases from World War II are in Italy, in Germany, in Turkey, in Norway, and in several other countries.
00:06:37.000 So we will not seize by military means any of the bases of the Americans, because you are our friends.
00:06:45.000 And you will not seize Greenland, because it's European territory.
00:06:49.000 And we shall focus on winning the war against our enemies, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea, China.
00:06:56.000 This is the normal thing.
00:06:58.000 But if you do it, we definitely will cancel the status of forces agreements which you have with Germany,
00:07:04.000 with Italy, with all the host nations of your military bases since the Second World War.
00:07:09.000 You have disagreements.
00:07:10.000 And we can question them.
00:07:12.000 And don't underestimate our resolve in Europe.
00:07:16.000 We will not cave in to this outrageous and unjustified demand to get our territory.
00:07:23.000 Because you are very welcome to base as many troops as you want in Greenland.
00:07:28.000 You can invest in Greenland as much money as you want.
00:07:32.000 But to humiliate us and to insist on a transfer of the land to America is a completely outrageous thing to say.
00:07:43.000 And so you shall not do that.
00:07:46.000 So just to be precise, when you said that Austria should seize by force, if necessary, US bases, you weren't literally saying that Austria should be doing this.
00:07:58.000 It's more your European coalition, your European military partners.
00:08:03.000 That's fine.
00:08:04.000 What I want to ask you is, basically, on the very day, I think about three days ago, on the very day that Ursula von der Leyen, again, your political family, the EPP, the President of the European Commission,
00:08:18.000 was laying down to America the unacceptability of America taking Greenland, you had the curious sight in Paris with President Macron,
00:08:29.000 and you had the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and what have you, along with the two envoys, US envoys, Jared Kushner and Steve Whitcoff.
00:08:44.000 They were there underlining the absolute essential role of America in the European position, pretending, protecting Ukraine from Russia. 0.65
00:08:56.000 How do you, can you say a little bit about how you juxtapose the idea that NATO could survive without America, on the one hand,
00:09:06.000 and on the other hand, the absolute essential role of America in helping to police the eventual ceasefire in Ukraine?
00:09:19.000 There will be no ceasefire in Ukraine, because this is all humbug. Russia wants war, and Russia must be defeated. 0.92
00:09:27.000 And only once Putin is dead and dusted, we will have peace in Ukraine. So, ultimately, this is all a waste of time, the negotiations.
00:09:36.000 So, it's very clear. NATO is about European freedom, European security, and America has guaranteed that and will guarantee that forever,
00:09:45.000 because it's in your interest. It's in your interest to have stability here, because, as you know very well, in the First and Second World War,
00:09:52.000 you had to bring millions of soldiers in order to sort out European failures, and you don't want to do that.
00:09:59.000 NATO brings stability, security, and it's a very, very good investment for American taxpayers to have that.
00:10:06.000 But you're already spending close to a trillion of dollars every year on your military budget, and so why not help us to win this war and kick the Russians out of Ukraine? 0.99
00:10:17.000 Because they shouldn't have nothing to do there. And it was the weakness of your President Obama, who allowed them, actually, or did nothing to push back in 2014.
00:10:27.000 If you would have a decent President, he would have contained the Russians back then, and we would not have all this mess and all this death and all this bloodshed. 1.00
00:10:34.000 So, what we need to do, stand together, win the war, and liberate Ukraine.
00:10:40.000 So, you don't see any dissonance on the one hand of threatening America with expulsion from NATO over an eventual seizing of Greenland on the one hand,
00:10:59.000 and the dependence on American military to face off Russia. On the other hand, you don't see any dissonance in those two positions, holding those two positions at the same moment in time.
00:11:10.000 Look, we are like neighbors and friends. We are like a family. But you don't come and fuck with us, yeah? You don't get this Greenland, yeah? It's not yours.
00:11:20.000 Of course. You can base your troops there. You can have the minerals if you invest in it. It's very expensive, by the way. But you cannot take other people's land. 0.98
00:11:28.000 In which American city you can take the house of your neighbor by force, yeah? Is this the new standards? You cannot do that, yeah? 0.84
00:11:37.000 The Greenlanders don't want it. The Danish don't want it. And we Europeans don't want it. And it's a completely ridiculous idea to do it, yeah?
00:11:45.000 We also—you remember Zimmermann when he proposed Mexico to attack you? This is a harebrained scheme. You cannot do that. 0.98
00:11:55.000 And whoever has invented this debate is really trying to harm NATO, America and Europe and should be banned from social media.
00:12:04.000 This is my response. And if you do it, don't underestimate us. We are serious people. We have honor. We have pride. We have patriotism.
00:12:14.000 We are Europeans. We will not go down without a fight.
00:12:20.000 With 22,000 uniformed troops.
00:12:26.000 It's not the Austrians who will defend Greenland. It's first of all the Greenlanders. 1.00
00:12:30.000 Secondly, it will be the Danish. And thirdly, it will be all Europeans. And we will not fight the US Navy.
00:12:36.000 If you really have the indecency to invade Greenland, nobody will oppose you. You can go.
00:12:44.000 But we will take your military bases. We will cancel all your status of forces agreement.
00:12:50.000 And you will be in an airplane back home from Aviano and Rammstein. And goodbye, America.
00:12:56.000 Goodbye.
00:12:58.000 This is the royal we, Gunter.
00:13:02.000 When you say we will do this, it's Italy and France rather than Austria.
00:13:08.000 So that's fine. We'll be going to back with you in just one quick moment.
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00:14:32.000 Okay, back now to Gunther Fehrlinger-Jahn.
00:14:37.000 Gunther, so I admire your tenacity on holding this position.
00:14:42.000 If you forgive me, I really just must however insist on this point.
00:14:47.000 There are other things I want to ask you this evening, but I must just hold you on this point.
00:14:52.000 What moral authority does the European Union have?
00:14:57.000 Does Ursula von der Leyen have?
00:14:59.000 Does the European People's Party have?
00:15:01.000 What moral authority do you guys have to say this to the United States regarding Greenland?
00:15:09.000 And yet at exactly the same time in split screen are absolutely essentially standing next to America in defense of Ukraine in Paris this week.
00:15:23.000 Sir, I don't understand how if you feel, and many people do in the European People's Party, if you feel so strongly against the potential American seizure of Greenland, why are you standing side by side with America proudly in Paris to defend Ukraine against Russia?
00:15:46.000 I have a 30 years of public record to be the most pro-American voice in the European theater.
00:15:53.000 I've been standing with America at 9-11.
00:15:56.000 I've been standing with America in Iraq.
00:15:59.000 I was one of the last ones or the only one in European politics who has defended the Iraq liberation of George W. Bush.
00:16:07.000 And I stand today to say that this was a rightful liberation.
00:16:11.000 I stood with you in Kosovo and Bosnia, and I will always stand with America.
00:16:15.000 But, you know, what is too much is too much.
00:16:17.000 If you then start to attack us and take our land, I mean, we are not servants or not kind of pushovers.
00:16:26.000 We are proud Europeans.
00:16:28.000 We have our pride and we have our history and we have our place.
00:16:31.000 We are also a strong economy and we can defend ourselves if somebody attacks us.
00:16:36.000 And even if by some confusion of the American president, he suddenly wants our land where he can lease it.
00:16:43.000 He wants to take it militarily.
00:16:46.000 This is completely unacceptable and nobody with proud and decency would accept to submit to such nonsense.
00:16:53.000 And this will simply not happen because we will not allow it.
00:16:58.000 I just want to clarify, you are quite famously known to be an Atlanticist.
00:17:07.000 OK, that's not in doubt.
00:17:09.000 And I'm not accusing you of anti-Americanism.
00:17:12.000 However, especially on this show, the term Atlanticist is seen as a pejorative because it's fundamentally.
00:17:23.000 Absolutely.
00:17:24.000 It's fundamentally seen.
00:17:25.000 Now, this is the problem with the European People's Party.
00:17:28.000 It's fundamentally seen.
00:17:30.000 Atlanticism is fundamentally seen as center-right in name political groupings who are sort of rather too close to the American military industrial complex,
00:17:42.000 which obviously huge swathes of MAGA and the America First movement are very skeptical about.
00:17:48.000 So I just want to make that point.
00:17:50.000 No one's accusing you here of anti-Americanism, but it's your famous Atlanticism here, which is what makes us somewhat skeptic.
00:17:59.000 Point one. The second point I want to ask in your advocating, agitating to get famously neutral Austria into NATO.
00:18:11.000 Are you having an honest conversation with your fellow Austrians about the increases in taxes they will have to pay to shoulder the extra defense burden that will legitimately then fall on their responsibility?
00:18:31.000 Yes. You know, I'm famous for also advocating the flat tax for Austria and for the United States, by the way, as well.
00:18:39.000 So I advocate for 15 percent taxation, income and corporate.
00:18:44.000 And of course, we have to reduce the welfare state and all this migration inducing kind of social spending, which Austria loves. 0.99
00:18:53.000 This has to reduce. Absolutely. It's too much.
00:18:57.000 We attract the whole world because we have such a generous subsidy system. That's not good.
00:19:05.000 We must cut that and we must reduce welfare spending and we must cut taxes.
00:19:10.000 And then we can definitely afford also increase of security related defense spending.
00:19:15.000 And we shall, because why should only the Germans, Italians and Polish and Hungarians pay for our defense and the Ukrainians pay with the blood? 0.96
00:19:24.000 We must also contribute financially. We are rich nation.
00:19:27.000 We have fifty five thousand dollars of GDP per capita.
00:19:32.000 We are one of the ten richest nations, so we can afford our defense spending and we shall.
00:19:39.000 Can you tell me which country you think of if President Trump were to seize Greenland?
00:19:47.000 From your perspective, which country represents the greater threat to the European Union? America or Russia?
00:19:58.000 Russia is our enemy. You know, Russia is our eternal enemy. We don't like Putin. He has attacked us.
00:20:06.000 He is evil and he is a genocidal maniac. And it's our common enemy of America and Europe and of everybody who is decent. 0.98
00:20:13.000 So America will never be our enemy. We will still love you. But if you take Greenland, you will have a price to pay.
00:20:20.000 What is the price? We will not shoot at your Navy. We don't even have the military assets and we will never shoot at America.
00:20:26.000 You can go take Greenland. The price is Rammstein, Aviano and the other bases.
00:20:32.000 You need these bases. But if you prefer to have it in Greenland, good luck with that one. It's your choice.
00:20:38.000 But you will never fly from Frankfurt to Rammstein anymore. You will never have Aviano.
00:20:44.000 And if you think about it, Naples in Italy, where your sixth fleet is based, will also not be yours.
00:20:51.000 And we have several other less famous bases in Romania, for example, where America has considerable investments and you will never have access to them anymore.
00:21:00.000 And it will be a completely legal process. It will be not a military thing. We will not shoot anybody.
00:21:08.000 Also, we are our friends. We are your allies. But we simply legally will kick you out.
00:21:14.000 I just wanted to underline the fact then that should America seize Greenland, you will still continue to believe Russia is the principal enemy to continental Europe.
00:21:30.000 By the way, on the flat tax point, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm very much in favour of a flat tax.
00:21:36.000 And if you can get it down to 15%, I think that would be excellent.
00:21:40.000 Now, you mentioned the migration issue in Austria, which is obviously quite politically sensitive.
00:21:46.000 You said a couple of things on re-migration, which is the term in Europe, what we tend to call in the Anglosphere repatriation.
00:21:58.000 Now, you said on the one hand, you support re-migration of enemies.
00:22:02.000 But on the other hand, you say that re-migration is racism.
00:22:07.000 Firstly, about the latter point first, tell me what did you mean when you said that re-migration is racist?
00:22:13.000 Look, I think that we should forcefully send out of our jurisdiction only our enemies. 0.99
00:22:20.000 So if somebody has committed serious crimes, if somebody has committed a crime of treason like Tucker Carlson and these people, we should forcefully send them out of our jurisdiction. 0.97
00:22:32.000 They are like parasites living in our jurisdiction. They must go. Goodbye, Tucker Carlson. 0.99
00:22:37.000 But if somebody is a peaceful migrant who just wants here to work and to make a little bit of income from Mexico in your case or from, let's say, Syria in Austria, I have nothing against people who want to work and have a normal life here.
00:22:52.000 Why not? Let them stay.
00:22:54.000 So the mainstream center-right European political position is Tucker Carlson is a traitor. 0.91
00:23:07.000 Yeah, okay.
00:23:08.000 I think everybody decently thinks like that.
00:23:11.000 I mean, it's quite obvious.
00:23:13.000 Personally, I don't know anybody who thinks that.
00:23:17.000 I would start the re-migration program in a very different direction. 0.99
00:23:22.000 But you have said you think that the Putinistas need to be sent to Putin in Russia.
00:23:28.000 Yes, that's a very good idea.
00:23:30.000 I'm totally in favor.
00:23:32.000 Everybody who is for Putin, we send him to Russia immediately.
00:23:37.000 We send them on the cattle wagons, in the airplanes, off to Russia. 0.99
00:23:41.000 Everybody who loves Putin sent him directly to Russia and we see how long it takes.
00:23:46.000 Yeah, three months, four months, two weeks until they cry, please, European Union, can we be back?
00:23:52.000 We don't like Russia so much.
00:23:54.000 And then we give them five months.
00:23:56.000 That's never going to happen.
00:23:57.000 No, that's a very good idea.
00:23:59.000 That's never going to happen.
00:24:01.000 Okay, because therefore the huge absorption of massive numbers of Islamic, what we call invaders on the show, 1.00
00:24:14.000 we don't call them migrants or asylum seekers, we call them invaders. 1.00
00:24:20.000 So you have nothing to say.
00:24:23.000 The center-right, European, supposedly Christian democratic political sphere has nothing to say about the invasion of Islamic third world invaders into Austria. 0.99
00:24:36.000 But Tucker Carlson, he's not allowed.
00:24:41.000 He's got to go.
00:24:43.000 He's got to go, absolutely.
00:24:45.000 And when it comes to the invasion, we in Austria have a lot of experience with real invasion from Islamic countries,
00:24:51.000 because we had several times the Turkish army, the Ottoman army in front of Vienna,
00:24:56.000 and we were always able to kick them back successfully in the 16th century, in the 18th century, and we did so.
00:25:03.000 So we know exactly how that works, and we have done it.
00:25:05.000 Thank you very much.
00:25:06.000 Today's poor migrants, when they come even from a Muslim background, who are desperate because Putin has waged a war against them in Syria,
00:25:15.000 and he has barrel-bombed Aleppo, and then they had to run away because Obama was so weak.
00:25:20.000 Obama did all this disaster, and the American power was too weak to intervene in Syria.
00:25:27.000 I don't think Jack Posobiec would allow your last statement to pass.
00:25:34.000 I think it was the Poles. 0.75
00:25:36.000 He blocked me.
00:25:37.000 I think it was the Poles who lifted the siege of Vienna.
00:25:42.000 Jan, Ceci, Sobieski.
00:25:44.000 It was the Polish king rather than the Austrians themselves.
00:25:48.000 But I very much admire your fighting spirit.
00:25:50.000 We defend you, Ceci, please.
00:25:52.000 Well, I very much admire your fighting spirit.
00:25:56.000 I wish only it was directed in a certain different direction.
00:26:01.000 Like, I'm very grateful for you coming on the show.
00:26:04.000 This is not your natural political home to come in and share these views.
00:26:09.000 I'm grateful that you, in the time we had, offered to put them under a gentle probe ring.
00:26:17.000 On social media, which I say you're very active, where do people go to bombard you with opposition?
00:26:25.000 I have these six accounts, Gunter Fellinger, and also the YouTube page, Gunter Fellinger Podcast.
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00:31:12.000 That knife slit my eyelid.
00:31:15.000 It slit my eyelid right here.
00:31:18.000 It slit my eyelid, went into my nose, went down inside my mouth and out.
00:31:22.000 Came around here kind of thing.
00:31:24.000 This particular incident has drawn significant international attention.
00:31:28.000 Even the renowned New York Post has extensively reported on it.
00:31:31.000 The young American man was brutally assaulted and gravely injured
00:31:34.000 with a knife while riding a tram in Dresden.
00:31:37.000 One millimeter more and that would have taken my eye. 0.70
00:31:40.000 It would have been a very different situation.
00:31:42.000 The 21-year-old wanted to help a group of women
00:31:45.000 who were being harassed by several migrants.
00:31:47.000 Okay.
00:31:48.000 And that's when you intervene.
00:31:49.000 That's when you try to make a change.
00:31:51.000 And her demeanor was very like, don't, don't.
00:31:53.000 Like, it's please.
00:31:54.000 It's okay.
00:31:55.000 It's okay.
00:31:56.000 Don't make it any worse kind of thing.
00:31:57.000 I'm going to help you.
00:31:58.000 And the other woman was also, one scared, two.
00:32:03.000 Didn't know what was going on.
00:32:04.000 Nobody really did.
00:32:05.000 It happened so fast that it got out of anybody's hands.
00:32:12.000 Welcome back.
00:32:13.000 Well, I want to thank Vadim Dirksen, a great friend of The War Room.
00:32:16.000 He's been on many times for giving us permission to use that short clip
00:32:20.000 of the interview he did with John Rudat, the American hero of Dresden,
00:32:27.000 who had his face slashed intervening to protect some young girls on the public transport.
00:32:35.000 John joins us this evening.
00:32:37.000 John, welcome onto the show.
00:32:38.000 I have to say, there aren't many guys who've been on the show who double up both as a paramedic and as a model.
00:32:48.000 But in the model, you know, famously, because this has had a huge resonance in continental Europe,
00:32:55.000 and we're going to dig into this in the show now, but your modeling career was cut short almost as quickly as it began
00:33:04.000 because of the horrific scar right across your face.
00:33:10.000 Just tell us a little bit, if you wouldn't mind, what happened on that night, on that evening?
00:33:16.000 Of course.
00:33:17.000 So on August 23rd, I was going out with my host brother and a close friend of mine.
00:33:21.000 It was my first night in Dresden, really, from getting back from a recent trip in Zurich, Switzerland.
00:33:27.000 We went out, we're going to a few venues, and we got on the tram from one to another,
00:33:31.000 and that's when it all went down.
00:33:34.000 A lady behind me was sitting there alone, and a man approached, aggressively shouting, yelling at her,
00:33:40.000 being like physically, verbally aggressive.
00:33:43.000 I stood up originally and asked, hey, man, what's going on?
00:33:47.000 Like, stop, stop, stop.
00:33:48.000 She was looking scared.
00:33:49.000 She was like, no, no, it's okay.
00:33:50.000 You can sit back down.
00:33:51.000 Everything's fine.
00:33:52.000 And in the back of my mind, I'm like, no, it's not fine.
00:33:55.000 Guy went the other way.
00:33:57.000 Lady sat back down. 0.97
00:33:58.000 I sat back down as well.
00:33:59.000 And then just moments later, he came back.
00:34:01.000 She stood up, punched her right in the face, grabbed her, threw her down in the corner. 1.00
00:34:05.000 That's when I stood up, had a short altercation with him.
00:34:07.000 And unbeknownst to me, from my right, another migrant had come up from the side and was waiting for the ripe opportunity to slash me in the face. 0.88
00:34:16.000 And he did.
00:34:17.000 Now, when you said a migrant before, and I've listened to a couple of the interviews that you've given, these two guys were Syrians, weren't they?
00:34:28.000 They weren't legally present in Germany, right?
00:34:30.000 No, they were both illegal immigrants from Syria.
00:34:33.000 Tell me, this tram that you were on, who else stepped in?
00:34:40.000 So obviously you, as an American, immediately sees danger and steps in to help these girls, these young ladies.
00:34:48.000 What were the native Germans doing? 1.00
00:34:50.000 They were sitting down and watching.
00:34:55.000 Just watching.
00:34:56.000 Nothing.
00:34:57.000 Nothing.
00:34:58.000 Even after the incident.
00:34:59.000 Even when my face was open, bloody, and pouring out on the floors of the tram, they were sitting down.
00:35:05.000 And it actually troubled me a little bit, re-watching this video, wondering how it all went down, how it happened so quickly.
00:35:12.000 And I couldn't help but notice even some people in the video, some German citizens, smiling as this went down, as this was something funny.
00:35:20.000 And it shocks me.
00:35:21.000 But at the same time, this is very, very evident to what's become almost socially acceptable, socially normal here in Germany.
00:35:30.000 These kind of attacks happen left and right.
00:35:32.000 Even the host brother that I went out with that night had a friend that had the previous year been killed from a knife attack.
00:35:43.000 Wow.
00:35:44.000 You yourself, you're no stranger to Germany.
00:35:47.000 You were living in Dresden for about a year, right?
00:35:52.000 What's your perception of the violence, the immigration-based violence in Germany?
00:36:00.000 Do you think that the media is truly reporting the nature of this?
00:36:06.000 Because here's my instinct, and this is what I would like to see if you confirm for me.
00:36:10.000 My instinct is, as I say, your story particularly had huge resonance.
00:36:15.000 But if you had been German and not American, and these kind of things happen every day, and the press really, the mainstream press really doesn't like to touch it.
00:36:26.000 The fact that you are American, the fact that you were doing something so typically American, which is stepping in to help someone who was vulnerable, quintessentially American if I might sort of put it like that.
00:36:37.000 I think that sort of meant that even the mainstream media wasn't able to suppress this.
00:36:43.000 Someone with experience in Germany, tell me what it's like there.
00:36:46.000 Is it as bad as Americans at home are seeing and hearing through informal channels?
00:36:54.000 Yes, it's very bad.
00:36:56.000 And the mainstream media will do anything to not address these problems in this epidemic in Germany.
00:37:03.000 They'll sidestep it. They'll push it to the side. Even me, after intervening in this case, when I recently went and visited the AFD, thanks to them, and the Parliament in Germany, the media originally just there switched up and called me a racist and a fascist and a Nazi, not understanding what's really going on in Germany, when just a few months prior, they were singing my praise when I stepped in to defend that woman.
00:37:26.000 Germans here don't feel like they can speak, don't feel like they can connect with the AFD because they'll be labeled as exactly that, right-wing, fascist, Nazi, just because.
00:37:37.000 And it's absolutely abhorrent that the mainstream media are attacking the own civilians this way to the point that they feel like they can't do anything, where if they were to stand up, nobody would hear about it.
00:37:49.000 They'd push it by the wayside like they have done with all these other cases.
00:37:52.000 And it's so sad. Us in the USA see this happening. And as Americans, we step in when we see something like that occurring. We stop that because that's not American. That's not European. That's not Western right there. But in Germany, it's slowly becoming the norm. 0.51
00:38:08.000 You mentioned some of the criticisms and accusations made against you personally of being right-wing and all the rest of it.
00:38:18.000 For simply highlighting what had happened to you, simply highlighting having your face slashed as you were protecting a couple of vulnerable girls.
00:38:28.000 You're not from, you're from a progressive household though, right? Your parents were both progressive. They brought you up as a progressive.
00:38:36.000 Though I think you're now sort of slightly more open. Tell me about your current political inclinations and whether your experience in Dresden has changed.
00:38:47.000 Originally, as you said before, I was raised in a progressive household. My mother worked in very democratic agencies.
00:38:54.000 My father, more on the middle of the political spectrum, serving in the military for 20 years, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and many more.
00:39:01.000 I was raised in a diverse environment, not only of, you know, sites, but of opinions, the most important thing, the diversification of ideas.
00:39:09.000 And that's something that they're even clamping down here in Germany now, but it provided me with an opportunity and a new way to look at the global affairs that are going on here, specifically in Germany.
00:39:21.000 But this is an epidemic in the EU at large. And honestly, the solution really needs to be circumferential in order for the problem to get away.
00:39:30.000 You know, Germany is just a symptom. This is really just a symptom at the end of the day. And I'd like to see it fixed. 0.81
00:39:36.000 Back with John Rudat, American hero of Dresden in just a quick moment.
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00:40:54.000 Okay, back to John Ruder. Now, John, tell me a bit then about your modeling career, when it started, when it finished. What happened?
00:41:05.760 So my modeling career quintessentially started a month before this event.
00:41:11.020 And as you said and introduced with, it was cut short immediately pretty much from the knife attack.
00:41:16.560 But that wasn't the only reason. The other reason, the bigger reason, actually, is my political opinions after this event.
00:41:25.300 I had brands reach out to me right after it happened, right after the knife attack happened.
00:41:29.700 And then, just a few days later, withdraw their statements and withdraw their invitations right after my interviews with some conservative media outlets and personalities here in Dresden and Germany went on air.
00:41:42.940 And that just highlighted to me the discrepancy underlying, infested, integrated in the German society, not only politically, but culturally, in media.
00:41:54.140 And that's actually why, funnily enough, I started my own clothing brand to give people that have been victims of that bias a platform to still work.
00:42:02.940 Tell me a bit about that new project that you've launched, but I just want to underline here.
00:42:09.140 Because when people heard that your modeling career was cut short because of the scar, no, when people hear that your modeling career was cut short, they think it's because of the knife attack, because of the scar.
00:42:22.280 It's not. It's because of the political controversy that arose out of the context of the knifing, right?
00:42:34.100 Exactly. Yeah.
00:42:35.840 Okay. That's a strange thing. That's a strange thing. I think that will cause some dissonance in a lot of people's minds.
00:42:43.380 I won't ask you to name names who the brands were, who disassociated with it.
00:42:47.300 Just seeing as you mentioned it, tell me a bit about the, this project then that you've launched subsequent to that experience.
00:42:54.080 Of course. So I've started my own clothing brand called Kosos.
00:42:57.780 And my aim with Kosos is to do a couple of things.
00:43:01.140 One of them is to give the right wing models that have been exiled, at least in the German sphere, possibly moving to the United States later, if this really takes off and builds a good foundation here.
00:43:13.060 But give those people, those personalities, those, that image here in Germany, a voice, because they don't have it.
00:43:19.620 It's being taken away. The mainstream media is just shunting it down.
00:43:23.360 And it's terrible to see, because we all know where this goes.
00:43:26.820 And the Germans don't want to suffer in a place like that.
00:43:29.660 So I'm trying to, as well as, you know, come in the media space here strong in Germany and advocate for that free German speech and German safety.
00:43:38.120 As much as I am in the political and media field, as much as I am in the fashion fields, just trying to send it home, man.
00:43:45.580 Well, you're very coherent and very persuasive.
00:43:48.300 I'm sure the attention that has come to you, the media attention that has come to you, you're going to be able to use that very convincingly to explain to people what's going on.
00:43:57.020 Just tell me a little bit, if you wouldn't mind, about that political reaction, certainly in Germany.
00:44:02.040 I know you met Alice Weidel, right, the leader of the AFD, the Alternative for Deutschland.
00:44:07.460 Just tell me a bit about that and what the general political response in Germany has been to this incident.
00:44:14.300 Of course. Now, the Sebastian Mundenmayer was graciously generous enough to invite me out for a day in the Reichstag and take me around,
00:44:23.820 have some interviews, speak about the future of Germany, talk about how we may be able to work together to bring about a better, safer, stronger Germany in the future.
00:44:32.060 And I was so excited for that. And I had an amazing time.
00:44:34.820 Alice Weidel, as you guys saw, spent some time with me and took a picture.
00:44:39.460 We spoke for a bit and then we went on our way.
00:44:42.040 But the next day, when all this stuff aired, when all this stuff came out, when all this new information was presented to the public,
00:44:47.800 there was still mixed reaction. But I'll tell you something. Everybody that reached out to me was positive.
00:44:54.320 And everybody that reached out to me, whether it's on Instagram, social media, X, personally,
00:44:59.460 all said here in Germany that they feel afraid to even support this publicly,
00:45:04.940 that they feel afraid to even advocate for this brighter future in Germany,
00:45:08.700 that the AFD now hold the majority popularity of.
00:45:12.540 I believe it was 26.2% last time I checked. And it's only rising.
00:45:17.040 And I'm very excited to see what kind of change they can bring to Germany here, 1.00
00:45:21.420 hopefully, when they win this upcoming election.
00:45:24.440 Were you political at all before this incident?
00:45:30.060 No, I kept my political views to myself until a Syrian national decided to slash me in the face. 1.00
00:45:36.480 And now they will be public.
00:45:37.860 Yeah, it is funny what it can take in terms of personal experiences to put the steel in the spine.
00:45:47.960 I've been through, I haven't been knifed in the face, but I have been through my own trial here in Italy,
00:45:55.660 fighting against the political establishment.
00:46:00.700 Talking about trials, tell me a bit about what's happening now.
00:46:04.760 They've caught the guy, right?
00:46:06.100 Yes, so the original guy that was assaulting and beating up that first woman was captured that night.
00:46:13.920 He ran down to the next tram stop, even though the tram that this was all conducted on obviously wasn't going anywhere
00:46:19.960 because it was now a crime scene.
00:46:21.560 The other one in the video dipped out, went to the left, and we actually really don't know where he went
00:46:27.240 because he led a five-day police manhunt behind him, at which point he turned himself in.
00:46:32.380 And then, yeah, they got the two guys there, and it seemed over, but that was really the beginning of all this
00:46:40.460 and the beginning of people speaking about it and advocating for themselves.
00:46:45.320 Tell me about the trial.
00:46:47.180 When's it due to take place?
00:46:49.860 So we don't know yet.
00:46:50.840 I got a message a few days ago from the police,
00:46:54.080 and it was public that the prosecution will take, I believe they're going to try to get the man that slashed me in the face
00:47:01.980 with aggravated assault, and he'll be tried as a minor.
00:47:05.120 As far as the other guy, I don't think he'll be getting anything.
00:47:09.240 So the guy who actually wielded the knife, and it was some kind of flick knife, right?
00:47:13.860 He was underaged?
00:47:15.200 I believe so.
00:47:18.000 I thought he was 21.
00:47:19.260 To my knowledge, I was told by officials.
00:47:21.080 He claims to be underaged.
00:47:24.180 This is, of course, exactly what happens.
00:47:27.960 And there's no date for the trial.
00:47:30.220 Tell me, aggravated assault, that doesn't sound particularly serious.
00:47:35.340 No, it doesn't.
00:47:36.280 No, it doesn't at all.
00:47:37.460 But that's the norm.
00:47:38.820 And I'm glad, despite what happens here, I'm glad that Americans can see this, can see the German justice system
00:47:47.100 treat one of their own, see the German justice system treat an American who had his face slashed
00:47:53.300 while trying to visit his host father in Germany, because that's what it's come to here.
00:47:58.380 And still, we're called radical, as you talked about before, when we point this out, even in the foreign country.
00:48:04.160 And they're doing their best to keep that from getting any immediate outlet.
00:48:10.740 In terms of an eventual conviction, have the prosecution indicated to you what potential sentence would be handed down on a crime like this?
00:48:22.740 Nope.
00:48:23.580 Nope.
00:48:24.000 They couldn't get, like, attempt, katočlak, I think it's called, like, an attempt on my life, an attempt on murder kind of thing.
00:48:31.020 So I think he'll get probably maybe six months, a year in jail, maybe.
00:48:36.380 But at this point, he's already been coming on the end of this month, six months in custody.
00:48:41.800 So I guess the German judge will subtract that from the larger sentence.
00:48:46.440 So he may get no time, he may get six months, but I don't think he'll get anything over a year.
00:48:51.360 Just on that point, and I think this is all going to have time to fit into the show now, just say in your own words exactly what happened with the knife attack.
00:49:01.200 Because you mentioned attempted murder.
00:49:03.360 I gather from hearing you speak elsewhere, if you hadn't turned round, alerted by the sound of the flick knife blade coming out,
00:49:10.540 that slashing movement would have got you in the jugular, basically, that would have been murdered.
00:49:17.240 You just happened to turn round at the right time, as it were.
00:49:20.900 Just give me 60 seconds about exactly what happened on that.
00:49:26.000 Exactly, yeah.
00:49:28.080 Going into the nuisance of it, sorry, the nuance of it, the really specifics of the event was I got on that tram, sat down in that tram seat,
00:49:36.540 was talking with my host brother and my friend, when that lady behind me made a few sounds, sounds like cry for help, 1.00
00:49:41.800 turned around, and that's when the man originally came towards her, aggressive, physically, verbally.
00:49:46.760 She shouted at him, he shouted at her, I stood up, tried to defuse the situation.
00:49:51.120 He took a couple steps away after shouting at me, she turned around and said, it's okay, it's okay, kind of clenching up against herself. 1.00
00:49:57.940 It didn't look like anything was okay, and it didn't look like anything was going to get better, and it didn't.
00:50:02.080 He came back just a few moments later, started shouting at her again, she stood up, he struck her in the face or in the upper body,
00:50:08.980 grabbed her, threw her down into the corner of the tram seat, that's when I got up, had the altercation with him,
00:50:14.120 and as we mentioned before, unbeknownst to me, that other attacker came up from the side,
00:50:18.400 and right as I was open palm yelling, stop, stop, stop, at the first attacker of the woman, I heard that click. 0.95
00:50:25.820 I know what an assisted opening knife sounds like, and it sounded to me like it was one,
00:50:30.780 and if I hadn't, just like you said, turned to the right, that knife probably would have right been aimed at my jugular,
00:50:37.280 carotid, and I would have been dead, 100%.
00:50:39.200 I would have been dead on that tram within 90 seconds, the same way Irina Zulutsko got killed.
00:50:43.120 And everyone else sat on the tram, watched some smiling, and no one came to your aid.
00:50:51.020 Absolutely incredible.
00:50:52.540 John Rudak, you really are an American hero.
00:50:55.220 Honored to have you on the show today to recount this in your own words for us.
00:51:00.380 Where do people go on social media to follow the contribution you're making to public life following this outrageous attack on you?
00:51:09.200 Of course, yeah, you can go to Instagram at john.rudat, J-O-H-N dot R-U-D-A-T.
00:51:15.540 You can go on X at Jonathan Rudak, and TikTok as well, at John Rudak.
00:51:21.940 John, very, very grateful, Andy.
00:51:24.140 That's, folks, all we have time for.
00:51:25.980 We'll be back next week.
00:51:27.860 I want to thank Will and his crack team in Denver at Real America's Voice,
00:51:32.580 and, of course, Vittorio Santifranco, who worked behind the scenes to put this show together,
00:51:38.140 and Cameron Wallace, the show's producer.
00:51:40.000 Take care for now, and God bless.
00:51:42.440 If you could make one holiday wish, would you wish to be free from your credit card and other debt?
00:51:48.380 Let's see if we can help you with that.
00:51:51.140 If we could give yourself one gift this holiday season,
00:51:54.500 would it be finally to get some relief from your credit card and other debt?
00:51:57.900 I might have a solution.
00:51:59.200 Here's why now's the time to make a move.
00:52:03.200 This time of year, credit card and loan companies close out their books.
00:52:06.800 They clean up past due accounts.
00:52:09.740 They sell a write-off to debt to clear their books.
00:52:13.180 That means if you have credit card debt and unpaid bills,
00:52:16.400 lenders may be more open to negotiating and settling your account before you're in.
00:52:21.640 That means right now, and I mean right now,
00:52:24.560 you may actually have leverage.
00:52:26.700 And Done With Debt knows how to use this to your advantage.
00:52:31.200 They monitor lender trends and understand the year-end pressure on creditors.
00:52:35.740 They use that timing to negotiate hard on your behalf.
00:52:40.180 Now's the time to get out from under crushing debt and interest payments without bankruptcy
00:52:44.800 or taking on new loans.
00:52:47.680 Done With Debt goes to work for you month one
00:52:51.080 with one clear goal, to reduce your total debt
00:52:54.260 and leave you with more money every month.
00:52:57.580 Get started now,
00:52:58.920 because your leverage may disappear at the end of the year.
00:53:04.040 Chat with a Done With Debt specialist at donewithdebt.com.
00:53:07.940 That's donewithdebt.com, donewithdebt.com.
00:53:12.080 Do it today.
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