WarRoom Battleground EP 936： Germans Embrace Their New Masters And Invite Imam To Chant Islamic Prayers During Church Service
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Summary
Steve and J.D. Vance join me in The War Room to talk about President Trump's pro-life remarks at the March for Life, the Catholic Church's response to the pro-choice march, and why we should all be glad that the Pope is not a Catholic.
Transcript
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Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
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And where do people like that go to share the big line?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.
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And we opened there with a performance of Islamic prayer in a Christian place of worship.
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And the reason why I wanted to do that to introduce the show today was because,
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according to some Islamic theologians, if you pray in Islamic,
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if you pray in Islam, whatever place you happen to be doing so,
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that place is therefore definitively a Muslim place of worship,
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And I think the importance on that today, which sets up the tone somewhat of what we're doing,
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is the general theme of appeasement towards non-Christian forces.
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That there which you saw was a German church that had permitted an imam to chant the Muslim prayers
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during a musical concert, quite foolishly, I believe.
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of course, we had the images and Frank Walker spoke to it from Stuttgart
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on their blasphemous Christmas Eve celebration there in the Stuttgart Rottenberg Cathedral.
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Guys, Denver, if you wouldn't mind, just thanks very much.
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Just put that article up on screen, if you wouldn't mind.
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The Diocese of Stuttgart did issue an apology since we were on air,
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and they said that these were liturgical deviations
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that had been too freely adapted for television.
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So it's a bit of a mealy-mouthed apology, sort of,
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But at least they went to the effort to apologise,
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because they realised that that horrible image that, you know,
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that I hope parents covered up their small kids' eyes as that was on,
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and that those were images that would not be out of place
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in some kind of science fiction stroke horror film.
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something that we do occasionally here on The War Room,
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And the voice talking about anything other than Christian values,
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anti-Christian values, will be that of the so-called
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Pope, so-called Vatican, and, well, it is definitely the Vatican,
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Let's start off with probably the only real substantial news
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that we can all be happy about, which is the March of Life
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that President Trump gave to that march, which were incredible.
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It's a long time, Frank Walker, long time since I have seen
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any Catholic pellet coming out speaking so forcefully
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and coherently in favour of life and pro-life values.
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Tell me, what was your reaction to what the President said?
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I was impressed at first that he was kind of brave,
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because he gets, has gotten in this administration,
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so much pushback from the pro-life community that he,
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but he still came right out there and spoke for himself.
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but he said, you know, he's fighting for intrinsic dignity of every child.
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He used language that the Catholic Church actually uses a lot these days.
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And, you know, he, in this piece here, they say they, you know,
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he asked people recently to be flexible on the Hyde Amendment.
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So that's what they're angry at him about. But, you know, he reminds everyone that,
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you know, he gave the court that brought down Roe v. Wade.
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He was the first President ever to speak at the March for Life,
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he reminded everybody about. And he's, you know,
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So that gives a new Catholic life, I think, to the pro-life movement,
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which has kind of fallen on hard times in terms of the Church.
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He reminded everybody about his big, beautiful bill and how the child tax credit.
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He has all these programs that help people accept children,
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which is what the bishops are always going on about.
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They don't fund, like in colleges, fund the first couple of years of a woman's life
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No, they're just like tax-free accounts and protect Medicaid from funding abortion and
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pro-life things that he's really added. There's so many of them.
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In fact, they happen every couple of days. You know, he's taken away the NIH funding for
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baby parts and the experimentation and stem cell lines. And he has actually, you know,
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enforced the Hyde Amendment. You know, I think that this thing about the Hyde Amendment
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that is an issue with Trump and the pro-lifers right now, it's part of him trying to send money
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back instead of to the insurance companies, but to the actual person, the actual people,
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which would make people live, be a life issue for everyone. You know, and I think that's what's
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involved. And unfortunately, he has like a little bit of a compromise that he's
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may have to make in order to actually have a big pro-life policy in the long run.
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Frank, let me just wheel back to something you said, because it's absolutely true.
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I've been involved, my first involved in the pro-life movement, starting in what,
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1996 on the political scene when I worked in Westminster for a pro-life member of parliament.
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And that's, blimey, it's 30 years ago. This autumn, that will be 30 years.
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And you're absolutely right when you say that the pro-life movement
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it's lost some momentum. Now, my reading of that is, is because it actually got
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the fundamental thing that it was really cohering around doing, which is the abolishing of Roe versus
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Wade. That was the fundamental, I think, unifying point of the pro-life movement. And when thanks
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to President Trump's appointments to the Supreme Court, Roe versus Wade was overturned,
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the pro-life movement has been sort of shuffling around looking for a new reason to exist. I think
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that's my reading of it. Just tell me what your reading of that is before we move on.
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Well, I think it's, it's similar. I think that the pro-life, you know, so much the pro-life movement
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has been thought of as a, as a religious issue, but, and then it creates this idea of pro-lifism,
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but it kind of, it's been a Republican issue. It's been a current, a kernel of the, what I would
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call the neocon, the rhino Republicans, the George Bush Republicans that never really accomplished
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the pro-life things that Trump has. It's been a real point of their, and, and the Catholic bishops
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have followed along with that too, of, of their, their whole constituency. But that organization,
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that, that Mike Pence type of GOP, rhino Republican, that the whole, the whole establishment supports,
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they don't like Trump. They don't want Trump. And so those people have a hard time supporting Trump
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when Trump is pro-life. So if he gives them an opportunity, they're going to drive a wedge,
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they will. And so all of the establishments at the March for Life, and they're kind of meandering
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around. They don't seem to have the energy they have, you know? And I think it's just a,
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it's a political, it's like a, it's a way that politics is configured that's creating this
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situation. The establishment really does not want Trump and his reforms. I, sometimes I think they
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weren't, they weren't glad to have Roe v. Wade overturned. I think they're kind of disappointed.
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Because they were so, the Republican establishment, but the central rights conservative establishment
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right across the Western world is so performative. If they have an issue, which they know turns on
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voters and a broad selection of their, of their membership base, if they have an issue around which
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they can fundraise, a perpetual, eternal issue that they can constantly be fundraising around grifters
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that they are, and they're as happy as Larry in Larry's house. The problem for them is when they
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actually somehow, through no real effort of their own, they actually achieve, or it is achieved for
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them what they always claim to be in the game to bring about, that they have lost some degree of
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purpose. And I will never compliment him on any other ground, but I have to give a hat tip to
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John Paul II, who in his 26 and a half years, at least succeeded in drilling the, the worldwide
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episcopate to protect and defend pro-life values in the public square, and to make sure that the,
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that the key Catholic politicians, um, uh, towed the line on that. The, the, the problem,
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of course, that we're now seeing since the death of John Paul II is what happens when, uh,
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you get a non-Catholic who is head of the, the earthly head of the church and the head of the,
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the apex of the, of the episcopacy. And they intervene in exactly the same way that John Paul II did,
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but not for, for, for, for the values of life, for, for, for, for values of crypto communism,
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um, um, environmentalism, and of course, um, the third world illegal invasion into the West.
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Um, okay. Well, you know, but I, yeah, go ahead. Well, and they, they want, now that that the,
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now that the head of the church is like that, they're liberals, they want the seamless garment.
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They hate the fact that Republicans have had control of this, have been able to use this
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issue against them. So they are creating this seamless garment and it's, it's completely pervasive
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and it's entered into the pro-life movement, which is you're not pro-life if you are not for spending,
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having big Democrat government programs that are giveaways or, or, or have all these other issues,
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like you just mentioned, like the illegal aliens, everything is life now. And they've really tried
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to make a lot of efforts in that, in the pro-life movement to, to turn it into a seamless garment
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movement. And, uh, Trump undoes all that for them. So. Okay. I think that's what you're saying too.
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Yeah, he does. He, he does. Um, that's one of the things I always love about President Trump.
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Um, we're going to move on just after I give a quick shout out to one of the show's sponsors,
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to one of your favorite subjects, Van Walker, Kissy Fernandez. Um, but before we do that,
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I just wanted to just read out a quick of the choice quotes from president Trump and in his
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statement to the, uh, the, the, the March for life, I think it was the 50, 53rd annual March for life.
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And this was published on the 22nd of January. And this is what president Trump had to say that he
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would always be a voice for the voiceless. And he vowed never to tire in fighting to protect the
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intrinsic dignity of every child born and unborn adding that he, uh, that he upholds the eternal
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truth that every human being is created in the holy image and likeness of God blessed with infinite
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worth and boundless potential. And because there were many Catholics in America, um, as well as
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Protestants who look to, um, to president Trump for leadership in the, in, in the Christian sphere,
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I wouldn't, sometimes I say they look to him for spiritual leadership. Sometimes I refine that
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they definitely look to him for leadership on Christian values in the political sphere.
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Um, and I think the great thing about president Trump being so, um, clear and concise on this
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issue on the pro-life issue is that I think he's going to increasingly bring a lot of Protestants
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and evangelicals of goodwill on board on the pro-life cause though recent developments,
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and we've covered this on the war, recent developments certainly have illustrated that
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the evangelicals are way ahead on that and coming in on the, um, on what were the traditional
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socially conservative positions of the Catholic church. Once the Catholic church started to abandon
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show. So Frank Walker, Smoochie, Kissy Fernandez, the guy that some people, some Catholics recognize as
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being the doctrinal chief of the Catholic Church, the successor to the Inquisitor
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of the Holy Office, formerly known as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. I
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have no idea what stupid name, and I'm not even going to try to remember what name Francis gave
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the body. But this is the guy who's supposedly in charge of doctrine, protecting integrity of doctrine.
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Impossible to say that without laughing. And here we see that Cardinal, Victor Manuel,
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heal me with your kisses. Fernandez has come out with a strong attack on whom?
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On us, the online community, of course. I think this is an indication, Frank Walker,
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that Smoochie, old Smoochie, starting to feel the pressure, the effectiveness of the Canon 212 and
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the War Room audience, applying the full focus of our unyielding stare on all of their heretical
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modernist syncretical acts. But talk us through what he said. He did criticize
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ex cathedra condemnations online. I'll take that as a badge of compliment myself.
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Yes, they hate Catholics. He said we must reflect. This is speaking to his own dicastery,
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teaching them what they should focus on and what they shouldn't. And we must reflect and think and
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analyze reality, but by listening to others, welcoming their perspectives, which allow us to
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perceive other aspects of reality itself through other points of view. Pope Francis, the Cardinal,
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urged more attention to the peripheries where he said things are seen differently. So, yeah,
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this is, I mean, I don't know if you've spoken to your friends over the years, liberals, they always
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say, well, reality, everybody's got a different perspective, and you're arrogant if you think
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that your perspective is the only way. If you have grown up in our modern times, and hopefully you've
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grown out of this idea, because the reality is that some things are true and some things aren't.
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He says, we need to invoke him, pray, and listen to him, and allow ourselves to be guided by him
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among the shadows. That's where he is in the shadows. No one, remember Leo said, Leo the 14th said,
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no one possesses the whole truth. We must all seek with humility and seek it together in one big pile of
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humans leading, like the Pied Piper, following us off the cliff into this group reality.
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Failing to keep a living sense of limits and lead to some kinds of deception that have fueled grave
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evils in history, including wars and mass atrocities.
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I have no idea what half of this is supposed to mean. It's like a word salad, isn't it? It's like
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what Steve calls a word salad. It's like, imagine if Kamala Harris was in charge of
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the dicastery of the faith, and she was asked to give a speech. This is the sort of nonsense
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that she would come up with. But the irony is, Frank Walker, they don't even believe this nonsense,
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right? Welcoming other perspectives, because no one possesses the whole truth. When Frank,
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since the Second Vatican Council, when have traditionalist perspectives been welcomed in
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the Vatican, right? It's nonsense that even these people who are pronouncing it manifestly don't
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Right. And you can't change the reality of truth. You can't change, you know, you can push the church
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out of the Vatican. You can put a guy like Kissy in charge of it, but you can't take away the church
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that still lives there. And that's what's gnawing at him. That's what's driving him crazy. Here, we're not
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so arrogant as to believe things here. We're open to everybody's reality, even way on the peripheries,
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not anywhere near the Catholic Church. But it's those Catholics online out there, those know-nothings
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that have no degrees, that do not have important jobs like us, even though they've stolen these jobs,
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they have no right to these jobs because they're not Catholics. They're not faithful Catholics at all.
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It's those people out there that think they know things, they're arrogant, and they cause mass
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atrocities, and they're online. So he's an anti, he's the anti-doctrine. He's the chief of
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anti-doctrine is what he really is. Let's come back to the Leo XIV quote, the Pope Leo XIV
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quote that you mentioned in your summary just now, that no one possesses the whole truth.
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That is particularly weird for someone who claims to be Pope to say. Now, I don't know if the Catholic
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Church has ever claimed to possess the whole truth. It certainly claims to possess the truth necessary
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for salvation, right? The entirety of the truth necessary for salvation. But the idea of possessing
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the whole of something, and the reason why it's strange, is because that's the very meaning, the
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etymology of the word Catholic, which comes from the Greek, the kata, which is a preposition,
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and then the genitive means according to, kata, and then the noun, the halos,
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O-L-O-S, but O-Omicron with a rough breathing at the beginning, so it's halos, kata halos,
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which becomes contracted to kata halos as an adverb, which simply means according to the whole.
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And even Aristotle used that term in philosophy three and a half centuries before Christ to mean
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universal when he was trying to define universal concepts with regards to particular concepts.
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kata halos, in the adverbial form, then becomes katholicos as an adjective, and that's where we get
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the word Catholic from. So for the Pope, the so-called Pope, someone who claims to be Pope,
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saying that no one possesses the whole truth, but the very thing that he is, that's his job,
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you know, that's, with all due respect, Holy Father, that is your one job, right? Your one job
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as Pope is to protect the integrity of the Catholic faith, which has come down to us after 2000 years
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from Christ and the Apostles. That is your one job, and that is the essence of the universe,
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the universality, which is the Catholic Church. That's what it means, katholicos, according to the whole.
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It's not everything. It's not everything that there is. We're not omniscient, but it's the truth
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of God. It's the truth that God has handed down to us, so it comes from God. So you're right,
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it just really, really is off-putting to hear him say that. It reminds me of when Pope Francis said,
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well, there is not a Catholic God. God is not a Catholic, you know? It's like that. It reveals,
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the Pope is really slighting the Church, and then in a more base way, they're calling us know-it-alls.
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Catholics are just people that think they know it all. They think they know everything. Well,
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no, we don't think we know everything. We only think we know what the Church teaches.
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Other than that, you know, we're all in the same boat, you know? We all have very limited
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perspectives. We can only know so much, which is the whole point, like you say, of having the Church and
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the Church teaching, it breaks us out of our ignorance and points us to higher things if we
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accept the faith. And that's the whole point of it, but it's just awful that you have a guy up here
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doing this. It is interesting to see what these people, like the so-called Pope and the prefect of
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anti-doctrine. It is interesting to see what they're willing to have reasonable doubt about,
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and what they have certainty over. The certainty, we'll come onto this after the break, is on the
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migrants, right? We'll do that straight after the break. That's what they have absolute unflagging
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conviction that they are right about. We must accept every migrant that wants to come from the Third
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World into the West, and we must pay for them for their health and their education and all the rest of
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it, right? When it comes to the things that actually belongs to them to believe, like the essentials
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of the faith, that's when they express doubt. I will never forget the guy who's the head of the
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Jesuit order, which is the order of which Pope Francis belonged, General Sosa, Father Sosa. He came out
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when they were discussing what Christ had said about the indissolubility of marriage.
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This was about 10 years ago, I think, Frank, correct me if I'm wrong. And Father Sosa comes out and says,
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well, you know, you're quoting the gospel here. It was in some synod, I think, one of the synods
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set to undermine the practice of the church. He said, well, you're quoting Christ here as saying this,
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but we don't actually know for sure what he said, because it's not as if we had like tape
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recorders in those days to write down faithfully everything. That's like, I mean, that's beyond
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apostasy. That's what they have doubt about, right? That's what they're willing to express doubt about,
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what's in the gospel and what has been practiced and lived for 2,000 years. What you're not allowed
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to have doubt about is the third world illegal invasion into the West. That is something that
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that Christ is absolutely adamant about. We have to accept it. Folks, we'll be back in two minutes
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Okay, so staying on the theme of the third world, illegal invasion. We have two contributions
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from the United States and from Spain. Both high-level contributions. Well, let's start off
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with Archbishop Gomez, who's the Archbishop of Los Angeles, former president of the United States
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Catholic Bishops Conference. And this is absolutely cutting, pulling out the rug. So if you have
00:32:12.040
President Trump on January the 2nd publishing his pro-life statements, the split-screen alternative
00:32:21.240
of that is what the so-called Catholic bishops are doing against the administration on a matter which
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is entirely a prudential issue. It's an issue that Catholics and men and women of goodwill are free
00:32:38.360
to decide for themselves the best way of achieving the common good. Frank Walker, you brought this to
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my attention earlier. Tell me a bit about what Archbishop Gomez was saying and what the consequences
00:32:55.480
of this will be. Well, like you're saying, when it comes to actual church teaching, they blow smoke
00:33:01.160
and they enforce silence, but they're like Pharisees when it comes to all these Democrat policies.
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And that's what the bishops, one after another after another. Today, Bishop Seitz, the USCCB
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Migration Committee is out there. Bishop Tobin, Cardinal Tobin is continuing to pound away at the
00:33:17.640
administration at protest rallies that Archbishop of Minnesota and here in LA where they tried to pull
00:33:26.120
off a protest, but it was shut down. Archbishop Gomez is just hysterical. The country can't go on like
00:33:34.520
this. The first task is to restore order and peace to our streets and insist on common restraint in the
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public discourse. In the wake of last week's tragedy, I hope all sides in this conflict,
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federal authorities, city and state officials, and those protesting the enforcement actions will
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take a step back. In the interests of the common good, we are caught in a dangerous pattern of angry
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rhetoric, provocations and violence. It needs to stop. Well, and he goes on and on. It doesn't serve
00:34:02.120
the natural interests. It's bad for, you know, we have to hold them for accountability for breaking the
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law, but there's got to be another way. But it all adds up to one thing. Trump needs to back off
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on the deportations or it's just too much violence. So that's what his religion is. That's what his
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mitre on his head is for. He wants to make sure that Trump doesn't deport people because it's causing
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violence. How is that a Catholic position? The words of our Declaration of Independence do not
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distinguish. It says all men and women are created equal. Our rights do not depend on the decisions
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of government officials or law enforcement officers. We do not lose our rights based on
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the color of our skin or the language we speak or having the proper documents. What is it? Now,
00:34:47.400
he added that part, didn't he? I think he had that part to the Declaration of Independence.
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But let's not forget that Archbishop Gomez of Los Angeles was never made a cardinal because
00:35:02.920
Francis thought that he was too conservative to be made a cardinal. And you listen to the
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drivel that he's coming out with and you think, if this guy is too conservative to be made a cardinal,
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God help us out of the people that he thought were quality candidates to be raised. Right?
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Well, I mean, 215 bishops made a movie about illegal aliens just last month, you know? So,
00:35:30.280
I mean, where there are no, you cannot be a conservative, you know? That's why,
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like we were saying with the pro-life movement, it's just, it's so kind of sick in a lot of ways.
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Now, while the results keep just piling up, you know, they just keep piling up from Trump.
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Yeah, these bishops are not conservative. I agree with you. They can be.
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They're not conservative. They're not conservative and they're not Catholic. These people hate the
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Catholic faith. The only thing more than that, the only thing more than the Catholic faith that these
00:36:01.080
people hate is our faithful Catholics. That's the thing that these guys really hate. So let me,
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I mentioned, I mentioned two interventions here, one from America, one from Spain. This is from the
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the Secretary General of the Spanish Episcopal Conference, along with its president.
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And they were talking, right, against, in favour of, now you might have seen something about this,
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that the government, the Spanish government has announced via presidential decree is going to
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regularise 500,000 invaders in Spain, give them residency permits, what have you. And of course,
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the first consequence of that, depending on how quickly this is done, is that they will then scatter
00:36:52.760
to the four corners of the European Union illegally, just as they illegally came in to Spain in the first
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place. And you would think that the Catholic Church that traditionally had always been,
00:37:09.720
I mean, one of the reasons traditionally over there since the French Revolution that the Catholic Church
00:37:14.440
had been of a right wing, if you will, of a small c conservative political disposition was because it was
00:37:21.320
motivated, motivated by protecting the social order, very substantially moved to protect the stability of
00:37:31.320
the social order. I think, I personally think it was too much motivated by that reasoning, but I guess,
00:37:38.440
following the French Revolution, we know where they were coming from. This is creating massive destability
00:37:45.320
of the social order, the invasion, and the ongoing invasion. And on this, the bishops intervened,
00:37:51.400
and they said this. And I thought, oh, when I saw the headlines, I thought, oh, fantastic. Finally,
00:37:57.720
because the Secretary General, the headline is that he, on the subject of this popular legislative
00:38:06.840
initiative that it's called, an ILP, he said to regularise half a million
00:38:15.160
migrants, he says, social demands must be heard. And I assumed, foolish Harnwell, that the social
00:38:22.600
demands he was thinking about was that of his own flock, of his own people. Of course not. It was
00:38:28.680
the social demands of the invaders. And given that the outrage, the political outrage against this
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measure in Spain is that it's not being introduced via vote in parliament, because there's not the
00:38:41.320
arithmetic there, which there would need to be, that they can't get the parliamentary consensus.
00:38:47.320
So they're doing this via, and some people say it's unconstitutional, but that this manoeuvre is
00:38:53.240
going to be attempted at simple presidential decree, like President Trump regularising
00:38:59.080
30 million illegals via executive order, that there would be, or any president that attempted that,
00:39:06.280
not President Trump, Biden, or whoever, there would be immediate constitutional issues.
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This is their justification. This is the Spanish bishops' justification, the Secretary General
00:39:18.200
and the President of the Conference. It is an exercise in democratic regeneration. This is pure
00:39:25.000
gaslighting, right? This is anti-democratic, because it's by presidential decree, because they don't
00:39:30.360
have the democratic mandate to do it. It's an exercise in democratic regeneration, out of respect
00:39:37.160
for the initiative of hundreds of thousands of citizens, and the decision of the Congress of
00:39:42.280
deputies, and also a way of helping to solve a serious problem in which dignity and the common good
00:39:49.000
are affected. Certainly not in favour of the common good of the Spanish people, which is why they
00:39:55.400
don't want to support it. But this, Frank Walker, this is the perfect illustration of the in-your-face
00:40:03.240
contempt that Catholic bishops have for its own flock, right? This is where they have the spine,
00:40:10.440
right? This is where they have the spine, and they will come out and give unyielding positions in the
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public square on the invasion, on issues that actually belong to integrity to the gospel or coherence to
00:40:22.280
the gospel in line with the 2,000 years of Catholic Christian practice. Then it's all,
00:40:29.000
well, you know, no one has the whole truth, who are we to judge, and all the rest of it.
00:40:34.440
The reason why they take these points of view, Frank Walker, is because they have contempt for
00:40:41.000
Catholics. And it brings me on to the point that I say again and again on this show, we, the faithful,
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must take, if we are to defend Western civilization and our societies and bequeath to the next
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generation, a society which is recognizable as the one we grew up in, but better thanks to the
00:40:59.640
improvements of human progress, we must resist with all force these people who call themselves
00:41:09.000
our pastors because they are not. They are enemies. They are enemies to the Catholic faith.
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So let's do an interesting article here which appeared in a Protestant magazine talking about
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the lure of Rome. And this is about the two-way conversion between Protestants and Catholics.
00:43:55.400
And I have to say, I didn't realize that the conversion rate was so strong in Protestants' favor.
00:44:06.600
For every, I don't know, about eight, for every eight Catholics that convert over to,
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you know, for every one Protestant that becomes, for every one Protestant that becomes Catholic,
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eight Catholics become Protestant, which was a very high ratio that I was aware of.
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Frank Walker, you've read the report. Tell me what stood out to you.
00:44:33.640
Well, I was surprised at the end because one of the two people that they profile in here in the end
00:44:38.360
keeps her own Anglicanism, doesn't become a Catholic at the end. But the thing that struck me the most
00:44:44.520
about it is that it's really about Washington, D.C. and then some select university cultures
00:44:51.000
and people who become Catholic because they like the nightlife, not the nightlife, they like the
00:44:57.240
parties and the social scene, and they see the influence. They see influence and they see an
00:45:02.840
intellectual integrity to it. And they say it punches above the weight that you would think it does.
00:45:09.960
And I thought that was fascinating to me that they see that in Washington, D.C. at the center of power.
00:45:16.120
And I thought, well, of course, it's also the center of the swamp, the Catholic swamp.
00:45:22.760
There's a lot of money there, too. There's a lot of Catholic money. But what she's talking about here
00:45:27.560
in this article is that young people really wanting to become more professionals and more actual
00:45:35.400
Catholics, not like just deep state Catholics, a vibrant social scene and a smart, influential,
00:45:41.240
conservative Catholic social group that they have in Washington that's bucking the anti-Christian
00:45:50.360
trends. And they say there's a lot of intellectual horsepower. And it cites the Pew poll, like you
00:45:55.800
mentioned there, that shows the larger group and how the Catholic Church is collapsing.
00:46:01.000
But, you know, this this phenomenon and this is this is all over the world of young people
00:46:08.840
becoming Catholic. This is this is flying in the face of the Leo Church, which is so anti-Catholic like
00:46:15.560
we've seen today. And I'm asking, why is this happening? Why? Why is this happening around the world?
00:46:21.480
Because the church isn't making it happen. And the last time this was happening before was like 20 years ago.
00:46:27.240
This is when Benedict was there, which was sort of a rallying when new Benedict was newly pope.
00:46:32.280
What is it now? I ask myself, is it Trump? Is it Trump that's that somehow creating this intellectual
00:46:40.760
you know, resurgence and of Catholic power? There's a lot of powerful, intelligent people in the
00:46:45.960
administration. I mean, look at look at the the spokesman that's having a baby now. She's a she's a fiery
00:46:52.040
spokesman when and she's a great asset to the and that's just, you know, she's just a spokesman.
00:46:57.800
There's a lot of there's a lot of I think I think we see a world divided by globalists and and Nazis,
00:47:06.040
which are undemocratic, which we see in that Spanish church story that you just told me,
00:47:11.400
which represent don't even represent Catholics. They don't even represent most of the people.
00:47:17.000
They hate the people. They work against them. That's the Davos crowd. But the Trump crowd,
00:47:22.120
together with Putin and the strong countries in the world, is fighting successfully against that.
00:47:27.240
And I see this rise in young Catholics as being sort of coming out of that sense of,
00:47:33.480
you know, that sense of opportunity, you know, and the sense of power and direction.
00:47:37.960
I think that's driving a lot of this Catholic growth.
00:47:41.240
You asked the question, you asked the question whether President Trump could be
00:47:46.760
a motivating factor for the vibrancy and the resurgence that's taking place, not just in the
00:47:53.160
Catholic Church, but but across the various Christian denominations. And I think that is part of it,
00:48:01.880
because it's finally undoing the idea that what the progressive movement relied on so much in the
00:48:09.720
60s, that the inevitability of their cause was going to win in the end. And that's really been defeated
00:48:17.480
since President Trump descended the golden escalator. I have to say, you know, we've spoken about this,
00:48:23.880
we've both spoken about this, both on this show and elsewhere, that one of the factors, I think,
00:48:31.080
is social media. And though I don't like Elon Musk, I have to tip my hat to him in the
00:48:38.440
in the diversion of algorithms on Twitter, on X, towards people who are being very coherent and
00:48:45.320
courageous in the defense of their faith. And I also think the third factor will be the martyrdom,
00:48:50.680
that there's just the appalling violence and hatred that lied behind the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk.
00:49:03.080
That I think is also a factor behind the revival. I'll quickly mention, because you mentioned it,
00:49:08.600
and it's one of the things that I underlined myself in this right at the end of this article,
00:49:12.360
which is in World magazine, by the way, folks, which is a Protestant magazine. The case study,
00:49:19.320
one of the two case studies says that the girl in the end decided not to do so after she went back
00:49:24.600
and studied the C.S. Lewis letter from 1945 about converting to Catholicism. And C.S. Lewis came up
00:49:41.160
with three reasons. You know, we should talk about this on another occasion, because it's not time now,
00:49:45.640
because they definitely require analysis. And it's present in every conversation I have with
00:49:54.680
Protestants, these three issues, one way or another. But the three issues that C.S. Lewis cites for not
00:50:02.040
converting to Catholicism, though he was so Catholic in many, many ways, was Mary, the Papacy and
00:50:09.000
transubstantiation. And I have to say, having been a Protestant 25 years ago once, and talking to
00:50:16.200
Protestants still, the Protestant idea of what Catholics believe on those three issues is very
00:50:23.480
different from what the Catholic Church actually teaches. And the other factor is what 99% of
00:50:31.160
Novus Ordo Catholics who don't even go to Mass on Sunday will tell you those three issues are,
00:50:37.320
that will be even more different from what the Church believes. But, you know, Frank, I can't come
00:50:45.160
to you on this story, because we're closing now. And I hear that the music is already starting in the
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ears to signal the end of the show. Very, very quickly, what we would have spoken about,
00:50:55.160
perhaps we'll hold it over to next week, is this story about the council that they're convening in
00:51:03.320
the diocese around Paris, because they have so many baptisms now, up 40% on last year,
00:51:10.920
they want to have the correct approach to that. My fear, Frank Walker, is that their approach is going
00:51:17.160
to be to stamp on the embers, because once they start talking to these 20-year-old kids who are
00:51:21.960
representing themselves, they're not going to want to bring them in the church. Frank Walker,
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