Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 938： Fruits of the INVASION： Civil War Coming To The UK And Democracy Now In Danger In Spain

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00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:48.000 Friday, 30th of January, Anno Domini, 2026.

00:01:00.000 Ben Harnwell here at the helm joining you as usual on a Friday evening

00:01:05.000 to break down in a little more detail some of the things that we get to discuss,

00:01:08.000 especially on GetUp during the week.

00:01:11.000 And one of the great things I enjoy doing on the show is bringing back guests back by popular demand.

00:01:18.000 And that's what we're going to be doing today.

00:01:20.000 We've got Professor David Betts, who is a professor of war in the modern world at King's College London.

00:01:26.000 You might remember, folks, he was back on before Christmas, the show, discussing his particular thesis,

00:01:33.000 which has had a huge deal of resonance, especially in the UK, that we're heading towards civil war.

00:01:41.000 All the signs are there.

00:01:43.000 And as an expert in war in the modern world, he's certainly someone who knows what those signs would be.

00:01:50.000 And he's had a couple of articles as well in the peer-reviewed journal Military Strategy magazine,

00:01:56.000 which we'll be distributing out on social media.

00:02:00.000 Professor Betts, thanks for coming back on the show.

00:02:03.000 Now, you said recently that you think in the UK we might be seeing something like Belfast during the troubles,

00:02:13.000 the situation for our American audience, the historic troubles between Protestants and Catholics,

00:02:21.000 the sectarian problems there, which were horrific, not only for the Northern Ireland, the Irish Republic, and also for the UK.

00:02:30.000 And violence, I think, that most people will be familiar with, even if they're not particular au fait with the granular details of what happened in the 60s and 70s, 80s in the UK.

00:02:43.000 And you've also said that we could be potentially seeing a situation.

00:02:47.000 Now, this would be more familiar to an American audience.

00:02:51.000 Baghdad around 2008 or 2010.

00:02:57.000 And you've suggested that largely urban areas would be seeing people essentially fortifying their neighbourhood for protection.

00:03:08.000 Those are very provocative and interesting statements, and I very much agree with them.

00:03:15.000 But it's unusual to hear, to see a British academic suggesting these things out loud.

00:03:22.000 Could we start off, could you describe in a little more detail what you meant with that comparison?

00:03:29.000 Okay, so I imagine there will be two vectors of the civil conflict, which I imagine.

00:03:39.000 One is essentially between what in the current British lexicon is referred to usually as the kind of anywheres versus somewheres.

00:03:48.000 These are essentially elite versus street or mob versus blob.

00:03:55.000 You have essentially one vector of the conflict, which has the nature of a peasant rebellion in which the mass of the population, which feels that it has been betrayed by its own elite,

00:04:11.000 seeks to punish that elite and to bring it back into line with what it thinks is the kind of traditional rules of the game.

00:04:26.000 That is what I mean when I invoked the image of the Northern Ireland troubles,

00:04:32.000 which is to say a kind of conflict which is characterised by chronic low-grade violence, assassinations, kidnappings, demonstrative beatings, things like that.

00:04:48.000 The other vector of the conflict is intertribal, and that is essentially between the native population,

00:04:55.000 which is rapidly coming into a sense of appreciation of itself as a political community in line with the rules of identity politics like every other community.

00:05:14.000 And it's a conflict with more recent arrivals in the country, so with the non-native population, which is increasingly concentrated in enclaves.

00:05:31.000 So you have basically these two vectors.

00:05:35.000 One you might imagine being vertical between the mass of the population and its elite,

00:05:44.000 and one being horizontal between two elements of the existing population that are essentially mutually incompatible.

00:06:00.000 I don't want to put words into your mouth, but suggesting looking at the vertical vector first,

00:06:10.000 that might indicate I would suggest a movement, and I've said this on the show before,

00:06:17.000 that I think the UK is heading more towards revolution,

00:06:21.000 whereas the United States, I think, potentially would be moving more towards civil war.

00:06:27.000 But I think the signs are there in both countries for both phenomena.

00:06:32.000 But is it fair to characterise or to synthesise what you're saying by the vertical vector as being a sign that could lead towards revolution,

00:06:43.000 whereas the horizontal vector is a phenomenon that would indicate civil war?

00:06:53.000 Yes, I think that's fair.

00:06:58.000 The horizontal vector is one that would quite possibly lead towards balkanisation and then…

00:07:08.000 Right.

00:07:09.000 So, whereas the vertical has more the nature of a peasant revolt.

00:07:21.000 So, in other words, it has a revolutionary aspect to it.

00:07:25.000 The only thing that I hesitate around that is I don't think that this revolt is so much about the replacement of the elite.

00:07:41.000 It isn't that sort of thing.

00:07:44.000 What it is is likely to be a series of outrages which are designed to bring the elite back into heel,

00:07:55.000 to bring the elite back into a situation where they are performing their end of the social contract.

00:08:01.000 And at present, there is a strong feeling, it must be said throughout the Western world,

00:08:09.000 this isn't specifically a UK problem or an American problem, but it's very typical throughout most Western countries,

00:08:17.000 primarily motivated through migration policy, but other things, deindustrialisation, over-financialisation,

00:08:26.000 other things which have significantly affected the mass while enriching the elite.

00:08:33.000 So, I think the difference in the United States to me is that in the United States you have in the figure of President Trump

00:08:46.000 someone who is genuinely serving what he understands to be the national interest.

00:08:52.000 He does wish to preserve the United States as a historical, political, cultural entity,

00:08:58.000 whereas that's very questionable with respect to European elites.

00:09:02.000 It's hard to point to the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer as someone who really has any kind of strong affection for the country which he rules.

00:09:14.000 He's a person who I think is almost quintessentially post-nationalist in his orientation.

00:09:24.000 So, that changes the dynamic considerably.

00:09:28.000 Rightly or wrongly, I think that there are multiple masses of angry people in the United States,

00:09:37.000 but one fraction of that mass considers that the person in the White House is on their side.

00:09:43.000 Whereas in the UK, in France, in Germany, and in other places, there isn't that sense that there is an elite fraction,

00:10:00.000 which is in fact on the side of the somewheres people who are rooted in their place and wish to survive as cohesive national entities.

00:10:11.000 And that's, I think, quite a big difference between the two situations.

00:10:21.000 I think you put that pretty elegantly.

00:10:25.000 And one of the problems with the UK, as you're suggesting, is that whereas in America,

00:10:29.000 even if the social situation in America is pretty evenly split down the middle, one half believes that the guy in charge is standing firmly in their corner.

00:10:41.000 In the UK, as you correctly point out, no one particularly, no one thinks that on either side of the political spectrum about Keir Starmer.

00:10:51.000 But I would also say that no one thinks that about any recent run of leaders of the Tory party as well.

00:10:58.000 And that's the particular issue I see that concerns me about the UK is that we have what's called the uni party.

00:11:05.000 You know, the colour might change, but the policies are broadly identical, one with another.

00:11:11.000 That said, it is interesting to see just how bad the present Labour government is.

00:11:20.000 You know, you get an idea of that by the fact that the government is trying to postpone local government elections in over 30 councils, which is a huge...

00:11:31.000 There's no good faith argument about this.

00:11:34.000 This is Keir Starmer trying to avoid what will be a very dangerously political result for him and his future credibility.

00:11:43.000 It's simply that, and everyone knows that.

00:11:48.000 And it is an illustration of how out of touch the Labour Party is that is doing these things.

00:11:54.000 It's introducing measures to overturn 800 years worth of jurisprudential progress with the jury trials in certain cases,

00:12:08.000 which is absolutely astonishing if you think about that act of parliamentary positivism.

00:12:13.000 And it's an illustration of how out of touch, you know, the Labour Party, you know, the Prime Minister and the Chancellor, Rachel Rees,

00:12:21.000 they lied to the Parliament and to the country over the recent budget to the degree of debt that the nation is in order to do an absolute grab on people's wealth.

00:12:32.000 It's an illustration of how out of touch that the Labour Party is, that the Tory party isn't making any inroads.

00:12:39.000 Because however bad the Labour Party is, people have this understanding on the inside that the Tories, if they were in control, would be just as bad.

00:12:47.000 And that's a very dangerous situation.

00:12:49.000 And I don't know, I can't remember the last time in my lifetime I've seen a government so unpopular where the opposition has failed to pick up.

00:12:58.000 Now, I'm going to ask you about Nigel Farage in a moment because that is the elephant in the living room in terms of my questioning for you this evening.

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00:15:07.000 Back to Professor Betts.

00:15:09.000 Tell me a bit if you wouldn't mind in your own words about how this centrifugal social forces in the UK will splinter British society into these three factions that you've indicated.

00:15:25.000 The Islamic faction, the white Caucasian faction, and then the faction that's loyal to the state and its clients.

00:15:36.000 Okay, so we have elite and street and the street being split into native population and recent migrants.

00:15:53.000 These being the divisions.

00:15:55.000 The splits have already materialized.

00:15:59.000 It's not really hard to detect them at all.

00:16:02.000 You can observe it very simply by walking around certain cities in the UK, certain neighborhoods, in fact, in the UK.

00:16:16.000 One of the more important phenomenon that has occurred in the last year, the arising of organic grassroots raise the flag movements, which are demarcating neighborhoods throughout the country in a very obvious way, which is highly typical of societies that are in a proto insurgent situation.

00:16:45.000 With respect to the division between elite and mass, I think that's pretty apparent.

00:16:54.000 And just depending on how you look at it, I mean, it's apparent in the way that people discuss national politics.

00:17:03.000 The frequency with which people invoke the idea of elite betrayal.

00:17:09.000 The frequency with which you see political commentary, which is neither left nor right, actually.

00:17:16.000 This is across the political spectrum, where people talk about broken Britain, not as a thesis statement, but as a premise that is just widely assumed to be true, that the country is broken in a range of very obvious manners.

00:17:39.000 So, but I suppose for myself, the one that is most measurable and kind of has the most scholarly respectability, I guess, because it's been consistently measured, is what polling tells us about levels of trust and about people's sense of specifically in their trust in government and trust in political officials.

00:18:07.000 So, there is in the UK something called British social attitudes survey.

00:18:13.000 It's been running for many years.

00:18:15.000 It's been running for many years.

00:18:17.000 It asks the same questions consistently.

00:18:19.000 And that from the perspective of someone who is measuring the health and cohesiveness of a given society is a highly alarming document.

00:18:33.000 It's like looking at an EKG where the line is descending towards zero very, very deliberately.

00:18:48.000 So, currently, just about 9% of people in the country profess to believe politicians are honest and work in the national interest.

00:19:04.000 There are other even more alarming indicators.

00:19:09.000 Something like 60%, roughly 60% of Britons between the ages of 18 and 34 now agree with the statement that some form of violence is permissible to achieve social change.

00:19:26.000 17% think actual physical violence is okay to do that.

00:19:33.000 That's okay.

00:19:34.000 That's not a healthy sign by any measure.

00:19:39.000 So, these fissures that I talk about are – academics can argue about all kinds of things and will debate the nuances of things.

00:19:54.260 But to suggest that this is a highly fractured society and that there are signs of it quite literally visible to any person with eyesight as you move across the urban landscape of the country is really not controversial.

00:20:17.260 Of course, what has brought much of this into prominence and just very much excited people is the continuing revelations around the industrial scale raping of primarily white working class girls by Pakistani community-based 0.97

00:20:44.260 multi-generational national sexual torture networks that are moving girls around.

00:20:54.260 Right.

00:20:55.260 And if you need some kind of illustration of a fractionated society, one in which you can't trust that your neighbour is not going to prey on your children is a pretty strong one.

00:21:12.260 So, let me ask you this, Professor Bates, because I mentioned it earlier and it's going to be of interest to the war room posse.

00:21:22.260 I see the British political system like – because very much of the reasons that you said in your own words – like a pressure cooker.

00:21:35.260 And the one possibility on the horizon that might actually release that pressure out would be the election basically from one parliament to the next – I'm not sure when that's ever happened before – of Nigel Farage and Reform UK.

00:21:54.260 Do you think if that were to happen at the next election, whenever that election will be, that would significantly reduce the civil war stroke revolution tensions in the UK?

00:22:14.260 Yeah, I do want to stress that I'm really not making a party political point here, or I'm not trying to.

00:22:24.260 That's not – most of what I'm talking about.

00:22:26.260 In fact, all I'm talking about are structural issues.

00:22:29.260 This is not political point scoring.

00:22:30.260 This is not political point scoring.

00:22:31.260 I'm not, you know, trying to – I'm not trying to be that sort of pundit.

00:22:40.260 And your earlier remarks about the uniparty are entirely accurate, and people understand that to be the case, which is what is fueling this – I think there's the fundamental thing that is fueling this pressure cooker you talk about.

00:23:04.420 Because once people have fully internalized that voting doesn't matter, then that is an expression of a complete – basically a complete lack of confidence in the legitimacy of the existing system.

00:23:22.420 It is a complete lack of confidence in the ability of politics to solve collective action problems in that society.

00:23:33.420 And it's really hard to roll back from that.

00:23:36.420 And to the point of your specific question now about reform, I have to say I'm not terribly optimistic on this front.

00:23:45.420 And reform, as currently, just doesn't look to me to possess the sense of urgency, the – to possess the – the desire to conduct this sort of radical changes to the society, which would be implied by a reasonable estimate –

00:24:13.420 apprehension of the problems which we face.

00:24:18.420 And moreover, even if we get to the next election –

00:24:21.420 Professor Betts, let me just clarify that.

00:24:25.060 You think that these forces are in the UK are so already entrenched and the momentum is there that not even an eventual hypothetical reform government would be able to stop the civil war in the UK that you see –

00:24:45.420 that you hypothesize as being on the horizon.

00:24:49.420 It's that bad?

00:24:50.420 Yeah, I don't see that.

00:24:52.420 Yes, in answer to your question.

00:24:54.420 It's that bad.

00:24:56.420 The – as I said, the issues are structural.

00:25:00.420 They're not casually political.

00:25:02.420 They're not superficially political.

00:25:04.420 They're deeply social.

00:25:07.420 And that's – that – the bottom line is the political system is not able to cure itself.

00:25:19.420 That's – that's – that is pretty serious.

00:25:23.420 I just want to share with the War Room audience some statistics and some facts and some contributions that support very much Professor Betts' thesis.

00:25:37.420 A recent YouGov poll last year suggests found that 33% of British adults believed a civil war would occur in the next decade.

00:25:49.420 And Lisa Nandy, who is the UK's Culture Secretary, said that the situation, the public disaffection was so bad that she thought the whole of the north of England could go up in flames.

00:26:02.420 So here are – here are sort of contributions that very much support your thesis, Professor Betts.

00:26:08.420 Where do people go?

00:26:09.420 I know you're on – you're in the UK media, you're out sort of all the time warning people of what is going to happen.

00:26:17.420 I like to say this will happen unless we take action.

00:26:21.420 But you're coming in with a line which is even sort of harder than the one that I'm pushing.

00:26:26.420 It's going to happen pretty much no matter what we do.

00:26:29.420 Where do people go on social media to keep up with your output?

00:26:33.420 Well, you can search David Betts on the screen.

00:26:39.420 I'm pretty distinctive.

00:26:40.420 You can find me easily on X if you wish.

00:26:43.420 But the main thing is just I do publish regularly in academic circles.

00:26:49.420 That's it.

00:26:52.420 Perfect.

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00:31:39.420 Welcome back.

00:31:40.420 We have another regular guest on the show.

00:31:43.420 He's been with us several times before.

00:31:45.420 Gonzalo Martin, who's the Vice President of National Democracy in Spain.

00:31:52.420 And we've asked Gonzalo to come and explain something to us that's been all over the world's

00:31:58.420 press over the last few days.

00:32:00.420 And that is, Pedro Sanchez, the Spanish Prime Minister, has announced that they are going

00:32:07.420 to regularize 500,000 illegal third world invaders and give them residency permits and work visas.

00:32:18.420 And the only criteria to take advantage of this amnesty is that you had to have been in Spain before the 31st of December of last year.

00:32:32.420 That's not even one month ago.

00:32:34.420 So it doesn't matter how illegally you came into the country.

00:32:38.420 If you were there for five minutes, five months before that date, if you were in by the 31st and had been there for five months before then, then you will be eligible for those residence and work permits.

00:32:54.420 And not only that, the moment you apply for those residency permits, any deportation proceedings are immediately halted.

00:33:05.420 And not only that, but once you get those residency permits, you'll then be able to travel anywhere in the European Union on those documents.

00:33:15.420 Of course, technically you would only be allowed to stay in another EU country for three months before returning.

00:33:23.420 But if you entered into Spain illegally and that's not a problem for you, then going to another EU country and staying there illegally isn't going to be a problem for you either.

00:33:33.420 That is what the current Spanish government is doing and I think it's an absolute betrayal of the Spanish people.

00:33:41.420 Gonzalo, thanks for coming back on the show.

00:33:44.420 Why don't you tell us, start off with explaining to us what the procedure is here?

00:33:51.420 Because there's so much to learn about how these left-wing socialist governments operate.

00:33:56.420 This isn't of being done by a vote in parliament with debate and accountability.

00:34:01.420 This is being done by royal decree.

00:34:03.420 Gonzalo, tell the Warren Posse exactly what is going down in Spain right now.

00:34:08.420 Exactly.

00:34:09.420 So, it's not the first time they are doing something like this.

00:34:14.420 Also, the center-right party, the popular party in Spain, they did it before with the president, José María Aznar.

00:34:22.420 So, it's not the first time we are realizing like half million immigrants like this, no? 1.00

00:34:29.420 With a cup of hand.

00:34:31.420 So, they are avoiding to go to the parliament.

00:34:34.420 They just do it, as you said, with the royal decree.

00:34:37.420 And like, this is very fast. 0.97

00:34:38.420 And it's ridiculous, as you said.

00:34:41.420 Yes, one month ago, people that came to Spain, they can't apply already.

00:34:45.420 They can't.

00:34:46.420 Afterwards, with the help of the NGOs, they can say that they were staying in Spain five months prior to December.

00:34:53.420 We know how they lie.

00:34:54.420 So, it's not even the five months before December, not even that would be accomplished.

00:35:00.420 So, the people that they have entered in Spain a month ago, they can't apply already for this. 0.85

00:35:05.420 This is so, so ridiculous.

00:35:08.420 And, of course, they want voters. 0.99

00:35:11.420 That's one of the main points.

00:35:14.420 So, you mean by that, once these people are regularized and eventually get citizenship, they will all be voting for the left, right?

00:35:22.420 Yes.

00:35:23.420 I'm not putting words into your mouth.

00:35:24.420 That's what you're saying.

00:35:26.420 This is a way how the left-wing socialist government can increase its voter base by 500,000 people, right?

00:35:33.420 That's your argument.

00:35:34.420 Yes.

00:35:35.420 Not immediately, but most part of these illegal immigrants, they come from South America.

00:35:40.420 And as I told in other programs before when you invite me, in Spain, the Spanish constitution, people that they come from territories that used to be part of the Spanish Empire, they can get their citizenship rate very fast in less than three years.

00:35:55.420 So, these people that now they are being legalized, in three years probably they will be able to be voting.

00:36:01.420 And, of course, they will vote always parties that they help them to bring all the families to get all the social help so they will not vote right-wing, of course.

00:36:09.420 So, that's why they are really doing this very fast for having these votes, seeing that young people, they are willing to vote, many of them more conservative, comparing with their parents, for example.

00:36:24.420 Tell me something about the anger in Spain right now.

00:36:30.420 Well, you know what that happened in Spain is simply on the maneuver to regularize half a million people.

00:36:34.420 But the process and the way that it's being done.

00:36:40.420 down in Spain? Well, the situation is very, very bad. People are totally divided in two blocks.

00:36:48.180 I think like in America is happening. And in the last month, it was the situation is getting worse.

00:36:54.100 There was a huge train accident where almost 50 people died. And of course, the government

00:37:01.300 is trying to avoid any kind of responsibility. People see that things don't work in Spain

00:37:05.860 anymore, that everything is a problem. The infrastructure is not being repaired in the

00:37:12.340 trains or in roads. And then while in Spain, we don't repair our own infrastructure, we are giving,

00:37:19.940 for example, 500 million euros to Morocco for the subway, I think in Rabat. And this is ridiculous. 0.61

00:37:27.860 We are giving money away to many third world countries, while Spain is not a really rich 0.79

00:37:32.340 country. We have a huge debt and all the economic growth of Spain is based on this debt. So it's

00:37:38.580 not true that Spain is doing good. Today, they were saying that Spain will grow the GDP next year,

00:37:45.700 2.1%, but it's totally false because it's based on debt. Let me ask you this. People are seeing this

00:37:56.900 regularization, if I can use the word regularization of 500,000 people, and they're seeing it being done

00:38:04.820 via royal decree and not through a straight-up honest vote in parliament. Are there any people saying in

00:38:14.100 Spain, if this is how democracy works, then democracy has failed? What I mean to say is this kind of

00:38:22.660 maneuver in Spain putting the idea of democracy itself in danger?

00:38:31.780 Yes, there is this political party Vox. We talked about them already. They are close to the views of

00:38:40.420 Donald Trump in a way. They are conservative, liberal people. And they are saying, of course, that all the left is

00:38:46.820 always talking about democracy, talking about the constitution, talking about how we need to work

00:38:53.380 together for better Spain, democracy, democracy, democracy. But when they want, they don't use

00:38:58.820 democracy so much. They use what they, they pact with the separatists and they get all the laws they want

00:39:05.620 into done. So they do it like this, straight with a royal decree. They don't need to go to the parliament.

00:39:11.780 What I was, what I specifically, yeah, what I was specifically looking at or looking for is the

00:39:21.940 idea that the whole concept of democracy in Spain might be so discredited if this is the sort of

00:39:29.780 thing that emerges out of it. And people will say, look, if this is democracy, I don't want it. You

00:39:34.820 know, it's better under Franco. That's what I'm, and are there people in Spain looking at what's going on

00:39:40.980 at the moment and sort of rejecting it privately in conversations? I'm not saying that they're going

00:39:46.660 out with placards or protesting, but are there people saying, looking at this manoeuvre and saying,

00:39:51.460 if this is democracy, I don't want it. It's failed. You are totally right. I was talking about

00:39:57.780 political parties. Of course, one of them is criticizing the system because they are part of the system.

00:40:02.660 But people, of course, they are tired. The amount of taxes we pay in Spain for everything,

00:40:08.420 people having a small business, they have to pay up to 50, 60% of taxes. And they see how it works.

00:40:14.740 They see all this money is going for immigrants. All this money is going for NGOs, where the friends 0.98

00:40:19.460 of the people in the government, they are getting paid with our taxes, a lot of money. And all this

00:40:24.660 money is going for people that they are not willing to work. And most of them, they are immigrants. 1.00

00:40:28.820 So, of course, people, they say this is not a democracy. Of course, with Franco,

00:40:32.100 we're living better because with Franco, yes, somebody working in a restaurant,

00:40:36.100 a waiter who could afford to buy a house in 10 years, even a second house at the coast on the

00:40:41.780 beach. And now they see that with a normal salary, you cannot even pay the rent of one room in Madrid

00:40:47.060 or Barcelona. So, yes, people, they start to see that all this democracy is only for the privileged

00:40:52.900 people. It's only for the rich people.

00:40:54.420 Okay. Now, I don't want to put words into your mouth, but I do want to know because you're there

00:41:00.100 on the ground and you have a political party which is extremely responsive to the public anger. So,

00:41:06.900 I do want to be precise in my own mind here about this. So, let me just ask you this one more time

00:41:15.220 before I just read some publicity. Is part of your argument, therefore, is part of the argument

00:41:26.180 of national democracy, democracy national, right? It's part of your argument to the government,

00:41:33.380 to your socialist government. Do not go through and give permanent papers to 500,000

00:41:43.060 illegal third world invaders. Because I don't do it by royal decree either. Because if you proceed 1.00

00:41:51.460 with this, in addition to all the negative aspects that we're going to have on society,

00:41:57.220 I'm going to cover those after the break in terms of crime and what have you. In addition to all these

00:42:01.940 negative things that are going to come out of this, you will also put the whole apparatus of democracy

00:42:06.900 in danger. Is that right? Is that right? You are totally right. The thing is that they use,

00:42:14.900 as I said, the word democracy for what they want. And once they use the rules, the regular basis of

00:42:23.380 the of what the constitution, the Spanish constitution says, when they want these rules, don't apply for them

00:42:29.940 because they don't, they cannot get what they want. They, they change. They find their way always to do

00:42:35.380 what they want. And this is what people perceive. If people, normal people that the regular people

00:42:39.700 that they don't know about law, they don't, they, there are people that they don't, they don't know so

00:42:43.780 much about politics, but they, they have the feeling of what is happening. It's like, they can do always

00:42:48.260 what they want. They can always change the law. If there is, there is a politician that is corrupt,

00:42:53.060 they always find their way also to escape. So the same with immigrants, they always find their way to do 1.00

00:42:57.780 something that is beneficial for them. Not only in Spain, Gonzalo, this is, this is what we're

00:43:05.780 seeing right across the West. Okay. Stay with us. We'll be back with Gonzalo Martin into 60 seconds,

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00:45:20.660 Bannon. Back with Gonzalo Martin. Okay, so Gonzalo, here's what I want to ask you. And I've got some

00:45:30.020 statistics here about the present situation in Spain. Some 64% of those arrested for crimes in the Basque

00:45:40.420 region were foreigners including 68% for sexual assault and robbery suspects.

00:45:49.220 And that's despite migrants making up 14% of the Basque population. Whereas a recent report

00:46:00.580 entitled Demography of Crime in Spain found that foreigners who make up 31% of Spain's prison

00:46:09.940 population commit per capita 500% more rapes and 414% more murders than Spanish. 0.99

00:46:19.940 citizens. Those are absolutely horrific statistics coming out there. And yet the government is

00:46:26.820 persisting with regularizing half a million invaders that will have the only consequence 0.91

00:46:36.420 of sending out the signal to everyone in Africa who wants to come in, who hasn't thought about it,

00:46:42.420 come in now, because they're doing amnesis. They've just done one, they'll do another one.

00:46:47.380 This will actually exacerbate the problem. And it's not only a problem that confronts Spain,

00:46:52.100 because once they have these residency permits, they'll then be able to travel right across the

00:46:55.940 European Union. Tell me something about the relationships you have with other European

00:47:01.620 political parties in terms of the coordination and pressure that is being put on the Spanish

00:47:07.860 government not to go through with this measure. Well, we are members of the Alliance for Peace and Freedom

00:47:15.540 with other political parties from other European parties like Forza Nova from Italy,

00:47:22.020 the French nationalists in France, the high mountain Germany, many, many people that we are facing the 0.58

00:47:28.820 same problems because this invasion is not only the invasion of Spain, it's the invasion of Europe.

00:47:33.540 Spain is the gate of the entrance of Europe. Once they are in Spain, they can go to any other country.

00:47:39.460 They are, for example, in Poland now, there are many Colombian people making problems. And this is what 1.00

00:47:45.700 we get with this, with the Spanish constitution, allowing all these people to settle in Spain. And

00:47:50.660 after a few years, they get the Spanish citizenship, they can move all around. So all the problems that we 1.00

00:47:57.460 are facing in Spain, more or less, they are the same we are facing in the rest of Europe. And of course,

00:48:01.700 we need to coordinate. And we organize protests. When there were some of our members, there were

00:48:09.780 deputies in the European Parliament, we were holding meetings in the European Parliament, protests in

00:48:14.900 front of the European Parliament in Brussels. Of course, this is not about Spain. This is about Europe.

00:48:19.860 This is about the West. We are about to fall. We are about to fall in all this demographic invasion 1.00

00:48:26.260 and we are being replaced. And this is not anymore about any kind of conspiracy theory.

00:48:31.540 This is reality. This is statistics. And what you said about crime in Spain, you have to add that

00:48:37.300 probably we have already six million immigrants with the Spanish citizenship in Spain. So adding to

00:48:43.060 these people that this 40% of crime rate or rape or whatever, we have to add the rest of the immigrants 1.00

00:48:51.060 that they have a Spanish passport and they escape from the statistics. And in the statistics, 0.63

00:48:56.020 they appear as being Spanish and they are not. And the same is happening in France, for example, 0.82

00:49:00.500 or in Germany. Many of the people, many of these statistics, they are not real because we have

00:49:06.020 already millions and millions of non-European with the Spanish with European citizenship. And then they 0.80

00:49:11.780 disappear in the statistics.

00:49:13.780 So, we've got about two minutes left before the end of the show. I want to ask you that when the

00:49:24.100 Trump administration published its national security strategy just before Christmas, it made the statement,

00:49:30.500 and it's a beautiful document, an excellent document, one of the best things I've seen come out of the

00:49:35.380 Trump administration. But it makes the argument there that because of this immigration crisis in Europe,

00:49:41.620 America's allies in Europe are less reliable because of the situation. What difference in Spain,

00:49:51.620 to your socialist government, to Pedro Sanchez, how did they take, what response has there been in Spain

00:50:01.540 to the national security strategy, specifically with regards to this point?

00:50:07.780 Well, in Spain, they are trying to disrespect Trump all the time. They don't take him seriously.

00:50:14.340 They think that Pedro Sanchez and Spain, we are a kind of superheroes going to all the international 0.81

00:50:22.740 meetings defending human rights against the evil American Donald Trump. And they don't take it

00:50:29.140 serious. They say that everything Trump is saying is crazy, that Trump wants to invade Greenland,

00:50:34.420 et cetera, et cetera. So, what Trump is doing is, of course, the right-wing parties and people that they

00:50:41.620 are not leftists, they take it in account and they take it seriously. You know, what Trump was saying

00:50:46.340 is what many of us, we think that, of course, Europe is about to fall. As I said, it's a totally

00:50:51.860 substitution of the Europeans by aliens from third world countries. But the left and the government,

00:50:57.940 the Spanish government, is not taking serious Donald Trump. They really think that Pedro Sanchez

00:51:02.260 is a kind of superhero that will stop Donald Trump in international affairs. This is ridiculous. 0.97

00:51:11.780 Well, we'll definitely keep our eyes on that. Gonzalo and Martin, thanks very much for coming back

00:51:17.220 on the war room. I hope people will go and follow you on social media, give you all the support they

00:51:22.580 can. Where can they keep up with you on X and on social media?

00:51:28.100 They can, yes, of course. Democracia Nacional, we have our website, democracienacional.es.org.

00:51:35.540 In Telegram, we are very active. Also, our channel is one of the most followers in Spain.

00:51:41.860 So feel free to follow us. We publish interesting news all the time. And we also have a radio program

00:51:50.500 online, Aquí la voz de Europa. For whoever speaks Spanish, feel free to follow us.

00:51:57.620 Gonzalo, Martin, thanks very much indeed. Folks, that's all we have time for. I want to thank

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Bannon's War Room - January 30, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 938： Fruits of the INVASION： Civil War Coming To The UK And Democracy Now In Danger In Spain

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