Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 941： The Most Important Traditionalist Group In The Catholic Church Prepares To Go Back Into Schism

00:00:00.880 Another banger mass at St Joe's, Sunday 6pm. This week was a wee bit more special and they 0.98

00:00:06.960 were awful nice that they offered the mass for my late aunt Rose who passed away a couple

00:00:11.440 of weeks ago. To reiterate the point of the community aspect of this chapel is that they

00:00:16.720 offered the mass for my aunt. Such a nice gesture. As well as that I've got to bump into this guy

00:00:21.600 Anthony who you've probably seen his videos as well. It just adds to the whole aspect of why

00:00:26.880 people enjoy going to this mass, what's so special about it and as you can see here at these videos

00:00:31.920 at the end it was packed downstairs. This is where after the mass you can go downstairs, you get to

00:00:36.880 as you say mingle with people, you get to see people who are first timers or who are the regulars as well.

00:00:42.160 So again I can't say enough good things about this mass. If you're a Catholic in New York City

00:00:48.080 6pm on Sunday St Joe's it's on 6th Avenue in Washington Place. Come in, check it out and I'll see you next week.

00:00:56.880 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people.

00:01:08.000 Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

00:01:13.920 I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:01:18.880 And where do people like that go to share the big lie? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:01:29.200 Ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:01:39.840 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:01:49.920 Wednesday, 4th of January, Anno Domini, 2026.

00:01:55.760 Harnwell here at the helm. This is the week in Christendom in review which we do every Wednesday evening with our usual expert commentators on these things.

00:02:07.840 Jenny Holland, Frank Walker. Jenny, you picked the video there for the cold open today because you had a specific observation you wanted to make on that, right?

00:02:19.360 Yeah, I came across my Instagram feed a few weeks ago and it was very charming.

00:02:24.240 The audience probably noted the young man's accent, his Northern Irish accent, and his location, which is Greenwich Village, New York City.

00:02:34.960 And I found this somewhat incongruous, given Greenwich Village's more recent history, but this is apparently a very thriving parish.

00:02:44.560 It's the same, one of the churches that we've mentioned before in the New York, when we discussed the New York Post story and the Free Press story about this burgeoning young Catholic community in New York.

00:02:56.760 And I just think it's fascinating. This guy is young, his other Instagram videos are about fitness and cooking, and a large amount of his content is about his faith.

00:03:10.200 And if you notice in that reel, when he goes down into the parish community hall, everyone in there is young.

00:03:17.240 Everyone in there looks like they're in their 20s. They're young professionals who are flocking back to the Catholic faith, which is such an interesting, it's just, it's a very striking visual.

00:03:28.060 And it's even more striking, especially given that he's Irish, because in the last couple of weeks, the Irish, the elites, the elite Catholics in Ireland have gone in, or have shown themselves to be going in the totally opposite direction.

00:03:44.740 So again, it's as we often talk about the laity being the sort of the true representation of the traditional faith, and versus very much here in Ireland, the elites, the former president of Ireland, Mary McAleese, also from the north of Ireland, and a very devout, formerly very devout Catholic,

00:04:05.700 caused a real stir about 10 days ago, when she gave a talk to a bunch of Catholic school girls at a school in Belfast, not far from where I live, calling the Catholic Church rancid, and its teachings rancid.

00:04:21.160 And she's been on this campaign to modernize, shall we say, the Catholic faith in a way that is really appalling, even to me as someone from outside the church.

00:04:33.020 As I say often, what's the point in being Catholic if you're going to try and modernize it?

00:04:38.140 The whole point of it is that you stick with the tradition.

00:04:41.200 And, you know, local television and local, the Irish state broadcaster recently did a video portraying St. Bridget, one of the patron saints of Ireland, whose feast day was, I think, on the first, as a sort of pagan abortionist.

00:04:57.580 So the assault from the powers that be never ends, to demoralize the Catholic laity and their beloved traditions.

00:05:05.940 So, in synthesis, your theory of the case is that the elites are off doing one crazy modernist stuff on the one hand,

00:05:14.920 but the youth, the next generation, the future of the church, is actually, is tuning out.

00:05:21.500 And because it's tuning out, it's actually getting on with the nitty gritty of making the church grow, as we saw in that opening video.

00:05:30.860 So, Jenny, stay with us, because you've got a story coming up later on in the show on exorcism, which is something that it always has ears pricking up.

00:05:42.100 So, Frank Walker, when I saw this headline break this week, I thought to myself, this is a story for Frank Walker.

00:05:51.540 And it's something that we spoke about, by chance, like two weeks ago, because we said that the SSPX is serious,

00:06:00.840 if the Society of Pope St. Pius X is serious about protecting tradition, sacred tradition,

00:06:10.020 it will need to get its act together and start consecrating new bishops.

00:06:15.400 And that is the story that broke this week.

00:06:18.480 Why don't you give us the lowdown on what's happened, not specifically starting with the news,

00:06:30.940 which is the consecrations, to say for our largely evangelical audience what the SSPX is,

00:06:38.600 like two minutes, right, what the SSPX is, why it was excommunicated, and the jump of a second,

00:06:47.160 and the importance for the society of what it is seeking to do, to do the consecrations.

00:06:54.860 And then later on in the show, you're going to talk about your favorite theme and my favorite theme,

00:06:59.560 which is Trad Inc., just exposing themselves for their pure performative custodian of tradition.

00:07:14.040 But first of all, what is the SSPX, the Society of Pope St. Pius X?

00:07:21.240 Back when I was a little boy in the 60s, at the time of Paul VI, after Vatican II was finishing,

00:07:31.140 they came up with this new Mass.

00:07:33.640 They call it the Novus Ordo Mass.

00:07:35.480 But everybody was familiar with this Latin Mass, the Mass in Latin, which had been basically the same Mass going back all throughout history.

00:07:47.460 I mean, you can read about people going to Catholic Masses.

00:07:49.720 It doesn't depend on the century.

00:07:51.580 This is what happened.

00:07:52.760 All of a sudden, they had this new Mass that supposedly they came up with on a napkin or something.

00:07:56.880 And a bishop that had been a missionary, a French bishop for a long time, and had been at Vatican II petitioned Paul VI to create his own new society, St. Pius X,

00:08:11.100 where they only said the Latin Mass because he was so sure that it's not something that we could drop.

00:08:17.300 And in fact, not using the Old Mass was something condemned by Pope Pius V.

00:08:24.400 So this is something that was really actually sort of anathematized, to come up with a new Mass.

00:08:29.640 And there was a huge drop-off in Catholic church attendance after this new Mass.

00:08:35.140 And if you've never been to—if you're not a Catholic, you've never been to the new Mass, you walk in and you might find yourself a little bit uncomfortable.

00:08:41.700 It's not necessarily a very pleasant experience, depending on where you go.

00:08:45.580 So the Society of St. Pius X was able to have their own seminary and train very well, very good priests that were not sort of infected with many of the ambiguous and heretical things that could be taken out of the Vatican II documents.

00:09:05.540 And so you had a sort of a purity of Catholic faith, and they just kept going forward when Paul—and then John Paul II came in—until they ran out of bishops.

00:09:17.460 And when they began running out of bishops, they could not get a replacement from John Paul II.

00:09:23.020 Okay, so let me synthesize this.

00:09:26.000 For basically, since the earliest centuries of the Church, the canon of the Mass, the essential core of the Mass, when the priest—I'm sorry, Protestants, got to say this—when the priest confects—is it confects?

00:09:40.020 It confects the Eucharist and turns the blood into the body of Christ and the wine into the blood of Christ. 0.68

00:09:48.680 The part of the Mass called the Latin—the canon of the Mass, the old Latin Mass, that was pretty much unchanged from the 2nd and 3rd centuries right down to us.

00:09:57.900 And then, after the 2nd Vatican Council between 1962 and 65, just after that, they changed the Mass fundamentally.

00:10:07.660 They didn't just translate that from Latin into the vernacular tongue.

00:10:11.280 They actually changed the Mass itself, the parts of it.

00:10:14.740 It wasn't a straight translation.

00:10:16.960 And that caused a lot of consternation amongst Catholics who, like, for centuries, over 1,800 or so years, had known and passed on this and died for this.

00:10:30.040 Jenny was talking about Ireland just a moment or so ago.

00:10:33.380 The Brits—I hate to say this, but the Brits sort of did a massive persecution of Catholic Ireland over a number of centuries.

00:10:42.160 So they're huge martyrs, too, right across the world, to when the church was going out there, you know, from about the 16th century onwards, right across the world, taking the priests out in mission.

00:10:56.960 In mission, there's huge martyrs for the huge numbers of martyrs because the mission is wanted to protect and pass over to peoples who didn't know Jesus Christ yet.

00:11:08.560 Scriptures and the Mass, right?

00:11:10.220 That was overturned, basically, from—literally, from one day to the next.

00:11:14.800 Huge rebellion.

00:11:15.940 But most people obeyed because, you know, it's the Pope, according to some.

00:11:21.700 So you have to obey.

00:11:23.480 One bishop didn't, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who was, I think, former provincial.

00:11:30.840 He was in charge of the White Fathers in—I think it was the White Fathers in Africa, right? 0.85

00:11:36.280 It was a big missionary endeavor for the Catholic Church back in the day.

00:11:43.020 He said, no, the Second Vatican Council is wrong.

00:11:46.380 We'll stay with the old Mass.

00:11:48.400 If the Vatican says no, we'll do it anyway.

00:11:51.600 But I want to be responsible for the formation of new priests, the seminarians, according to the method, to the teachings that were handed down to me.

00:12:01.640 I want to protect the integrity of that.

00:12:05.320 And if necessary, we'll take this priestly society out of communion with Rome because it is necessary, because Marcel Lefebvre was an old man at this stage.

00:12:15.900 It is necessary to continue this work and to maintain fidelity to the tradition that we consecrate our own bishops, because you need bishops to ordain priests.

00:12:29.820 So I will consecrate four bishops to continue the work after I died.

00:12:34.600 He died like a couple of years later, right?

00:12:36.320 Those four bishops, two of them had died, leaving two of the original bishops consecrated in what was it, 88 or something like that.

00:12:45.680 And now, as we said like a couple of weeks ago, if the SSPX is serious about continuing its work, it will need to consecrate new bishops.

00:12:54.440 And what's the issue here?

00:12:55.860 To do this, they need to do this, not only in prohibition of canon law, because they're doing this explicitly without the consent of the Vatican's authorization process, which is necessary for the consecration.

00:13:14.120 But that is also a schismatic act, right?

00:13:16.140 And if a bishop consecrates, basically puts his hand on a priest and makes another bishop without the Vatican's permission, approval, delegated, then that, as being a schismatic act, automatically incurs excommunication.

00:13:33.660 So if that's the correct synthesis of what you're describing, this is a momental development framework, a really momentous development.

00:13:42.780 And it's something that traditionalists have waited.

00:13:45.400 Why is this so momentous?

00:13:46.800 Because the SSPX, the Society of Pope St. Pius X, is really the beating heart of the traditionalist movement.

00:13:55.280 And all of the other priestly societies that exist, both those in communion with Rome and also those not in communion with Rome, they're basically satellites of the SSPX,

00:14:07.480 because it is the largest organization in terms of priests right across the world that refuse to accept the Second Vatican Council and insist only on the old mass.

00:14:19.280 Is that correct?

00:14:21.500 Yeah.

00:14:21.840 Yes, it's true that, you know, the FSSP, which is a spinoff that happened after the 88 consecrations of bishops, they received their own special organization.

00:14:34.520 They don't have bishops, they have to work with other bishops.

00:14:37.620 And then all these other sort of what they would call smaller, maybe set of the contests, they call different kinds of traditional organizations.

00:14:46.140 The SSPX is critical to them.

00:14:47.840 It's because of the strength of Archbishop Lefebvre and what he built that they're able to continue to function.

00:14:53.800 And the SSPX has always maintained a relationship with Rome, always maintained sort of talks.

00:15:00.100 You know, they just continue to have contact with each other.

00:15:04.280 And even, and the amazing thing was that even, you know, they were excommunicated, Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated by John Paul II.

00:15:12.400 In the time of Francis, they had a relatively good relationship with Rome too.

00:15:17.320 Benedict lifted those excommunications so that, you know, they had sort of a cloud over their head.

00:15:23.040 But they, but, so they moved forward.

00:15:26.140 Benedict opened up openness to the Latin mass and to the trad movement.

00:15:29.960 So that's where they were.

00:15:31.580 Then Francis, on one hand, cracked down on the trad movement, trying to push it back, trying to put the genie back in the bottle again.

00:15:39.080 But in the meantime, he was good to the SSPX.

00:15:41.240 He generally was good to them.

00:15:42.880 He said, it's okay they do this.

00:15:44.480 It's okay if they have confessions.

00:15:46.780 It's okay if they're at weddings.

00:15:48.280 It's okay if they do preschool ordinations. 0.62

00:15:50.840 It's kind of complicated.

00:15:51.980 So they're at a point now, and when this news came out a couple days ago, I thought, well, this is great news.

00:15:57.080 But now, I'm nervous because there's so many things that could go wrong.

00:16:02.700 After all, the bishops are everything.

00:16:05.480 And if they pick four bishops, they have to pick bishops that are Catholic.

00:16:10.160 They can't be influenced about this.

00:16:12.460 And they have so many opportunities, and they have so many enemies.

00:16:16.160 I mean, even the FBI hates the traditional Catholic movement.

00:16:19.440 I mean, the powers that be do not want this to succeed.

00:16:23.980 So for us to just say, okay, they're going to do it in July.

00:16:28.120 It's five months away.

00:16:29.820 Everything's fine now.

00:16:31.140 I don't know if it's going to be that simple.

00:16:34.200 It's not just the FBI.

00:16:35.700 This is why you're going to come back later on the show and announce.

00:16:37.980 In fact, if only it were that easy, Frank Walker, if only it were that easy, that it's like things like the FBI that's opposed to the traditionists.

00:16:46.140 It's actually the movements.

00:16:48.160 We call them trad ink that, you know, that spend their lives promoting traditionism, who are also lining up to condemn the SSPX on this.

00:16:58.940 We're going to cover that a little later in the show.

00:17:01.280 That's really in the category of the mask is finally slipping.

00:17:06.500 Before we move on to Jenny Frank Walker, I just have to quickly ask you this.

00:17:09.700 If they go ahead on the 1st of July, and God willing, they do and succeed in consecrating four new bishops,

00:17:18.840 what do you think the Vatican's response will be?

00:17:22.980 Will it be to pronounce an automatic – will it be to pronounce that they have automatically excommunicated themselves as they did 30 years ago, 35 years ago?

00:17:37.140 What do you think?

00:17:37.840 Call it.

00:17:39.000 I think that's hard to guess.

00:17:40.920 I think it's key that this was precipitated by a letter from Kissy Fernandez saying you cannot, you know, do it.

00:17:48.060 So they've been talking about this for a while, but all of a sudden this letter drops that says, okay, it's over.

00:17:54.780 You know, Kissy wasn't really talking to them.

00:17:56.160 He had an underling doing it.

00:17:57.300 So it's almost – I wonder if the plan is going forward according to the people behind Leo and Leo's Vatican.

00:18:07.440 And they may have something up their sleeve that's different than just a flat excommunication because that excommunication kind of gave them – excommunications give them credibility in a certain way.

00:18:18.440 And I think that they have – I think they would – if they could, they would like to kill the SSPX and they would like to find a way.

00:18:28.520 So I don't know how they're going to do it.

00:18:30.520 They may excommunicate.

00:18:31.640 They may not.

00:18:32.220 In China, they don't care. 0.98

00:18:35.360 You can consecrate whatever bishop you want because that's okay with them.

00:18:39.920 But I think –

00:18:41.300 What Francis did, Francis was unpredictably nice.

00:18:45.820 And Leo is very Francis-like.

00:18:49.840 Okay, let's just – let me give you – we do have to go on to Jenny, right, to do the excommunications.

00:18:56.160 But let me just give you my quick take on this, on why Francis – because this is somewhat unexpected that Francis actually did Bergoglio, actually the late unlamented Pope Francis,

00:19:09.340 actually did far more to regularize the SSPX than either of his two immediate predecessors.

00:19:15.160 My take on that, even though he hated sort of that sort of 1950s Catholicism that the SSPX sort of represented, he really had an animus against that,

00:19:27.680 he's not – he wasn't a guy interested in dogma, in doctrines, in formal theology.

00:19:35.320 He couldn't have been less interested in it.

00:19:36.780 So he didn't care.

00:19:37.840 If the SSPX rejected the Vatican II documents and they did it with footnotes and they went through it with a fine tooth coming, he didn't care because he couldn't have cared less what the document said himself.

00:19:48.960 So he gave them a pass on that.

00:19:50.500 What he really wanted to do was get political oversight of the SSPX by this slow lassoing in of the society.

00:19:59.940 I think that was his strategy, and that sort of explains why he gave them permission to hear confessions.

00:20:06.720 All I have to say before we go on to Jenny now is I actually think Lefebvre's position was perfect on this.

00:20:15.360 I don't want to go – you know, look, you don't – I don't want to take to the airwaves of the war room to go full Father Chikada, 1.00

00:20:23.940 but I think – though I'm always very happy to do so, I think Archbishop Lefebvre's position was absolutely correct,

00:20:33.160 that you can't be excommunicated by those who have already excommunicated themselves.

00:20:39.020 And he was talking about the Vatican, and he was saying that because of their modernism, right,

00:20:44.400 they have already excommunicated themselves from the Catholic faith.

00:20:48.220 Therefore, they weren't in a position to excommunicate anyone.

00:20:51.800 And that – I think that's why it was for things like that.

00:20:55.340 Look, Lefebvre wasn't always that hard line.

00:20:57.920 He'd go through phases.

00:20:59.360 You know, he'd be slightly more sedivacantist, and then he'd sort of come back in and say,

00:21:03.440 OK, perhaps they are real popes.

00:21:04.680 And then he'd flip again, and then he'd flip again.

00:21:07.560 But when he said things like that, I think he was lighting a torch that still burns today,

00:21:13.960 and many people are attracted to that courage.

00:21:17.020 Look, Frank, we'll come back.

00:21:18.080 We'll hit the SSPX later on in the show.

00:21:19.860 We've got to go to Jenny.

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00:22:20.020 Jenny, let's, you've got this story.

00:22:22.800 Let's quickly have a look at it now.

00:22:24.880 I gather that exorcisms are up in the Church of England.

00:22:33.940 That's, that's, that's, that's, that's unusual.

00:22:39.560 Tell me why that one of the most modernist reflections of one of the most modernist manifestations of Christianity

00:22:50.820 is rediscovering excommunication.

00:22:54.340 What's going on here?

00:22:56.320 Yeah, I couldn't tell you exactly what's going on here,

00:22:59.940 but the story in the, in the Daily Telegraph at the end of January,

00:23:04.520 they did an investigation, which in and of itself is, I find extraordinary and surprising,

00:23:10.160 that the Daily Telegraph actually went and got a FOIA on documents pertaining to communications between an NHS facility

00:23:19.380 and at the local diocese in Norwich, or thereabouts, in the southeast of England,

00:23:28.500 in which the staff in the hospital complex were requesting that the Church send deliverance ministry

00:23:39.740 to the hospital, which was on the site, it's a hospice, sorry,

00:23:45.240 that was on the site of a former children's hospital that had shut down in the 70s.

00:23:50.160 And the staff had seen, had experienced paranormal activity, including a little girl.

00:23:57.080 And the staff were, as the Telegraph reported, very upset by this.

00:24:02.020 Now, bear in mind, this was all the correspondence that they showed in the article was from 2023.

00:24:07.520 So we are not talking a long time ago, we are talking immediate, in the immediate past.

00:24:13.880 And the article, interestingly, delves in a bit to the sort of history, or non-history, as case may be,

00:24:19.520 of exorcism in the Church of England, which, as we talk about all the time,

00:24:23.700 is this very sort of anodyne, very middle-of-the-road, wishy-washy church now.

00:24:31.880 But starting in the late 60s, early 70s, they saw an uptick in requests for exorcisms.

00:24:38.780 And according to Mary Harrington, writing in Unheard, according to her local vicar,

00:24:43.220 every parish now has a deliverance ministry person.

00:24:48.920 So in every parish in the Church of England, you can request basically an exorcism.

00:24:52.860 And they have a process, which sounds similar to the one that the Catholic Church has, to my knowledge,

00:24:57.020 which is, you have to prove that it's not a medical problem, or a psychiatric, or a psychological problem.

00:25:03.180 But they will come, if those criteria are met, they will come and deliver you from your demons

00:25:10.360 with holy oil and prayers and that sort of thing.

00:25:13.820 But I just find it so striking that in this day and age, the NHS, of all things,

00:25:18.520 because the NHS in many ways replaced the Church of England as the national religion of the secular United Kingdom.

00:25:24.820 So what is up with that, Ben?

00:25:25.940 And you tell me, you're the Brit.

00:25:29.540 I would suggest, because I see everything through the lens of this being a spiritual battle

00:25:34.860 in the light of Ephesians 6.12, I would, my instinct here is to say that even the diabolical presence

00:25:44.320 in the world today is so strong, even the Anglicans are noticing it and responding to it

00:25:52.020 and doing what they can.

00:25:53.140 That's my take on that.

00:25:54.500 Does that sound reasonable?

00:25:55.220 Yeah, it does, actually.

00:25:56.940 And I completely agree with you.

00:25:58.280 As I've said before, I started out thinking this was a political war, then a culture war,

00:26:02.340 and an information war.

00:26:03.580 And now I've come to the conclusion that it is, in fact, a spiritual war.

00:26:07.340 And I think the NHS itself, which is so compromised,

00:26:10.920 don't forget the NHS, a different district, tried to pass off breastfeeding as chest feeding 1.00

00:26:17.520 and actually let men into breastfeeding classes, and the horrors never stop. 1.00

00:26:23.120 So the fact that they are also seeing these spiritual, paranormal, inexplicable phenomena to me is very,

00:26:34.860 very interesting.

00:26:35.460 I think, I mean, if you put this in a Hollywood script, it would be too on the nose.

00:26:40.880 Yeah, I'm also thinking that, you know, I'm going to come back.

00:26:48.440 I'll give you my observation to this, Jenny, after the break.

00:26:51.060 Stand by, folks.

00:26:51.760 We're back with Frank Walker, Jenny Holland, in two short minutes after this quick break.

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00:31:42.460 Well, just to very, very quickly finish the point I would have made before the break.

00:31:46.740 So I'm not a great ecumenist, ecumaniac, to use the pejorative term.

00:31:55.920 But I do think, given the presence of the diabolic, of the devil, in human actions, that there is a possibility for greater witness between the Catholic Church and the various Christian denominations to come together and warn an unbelieving mankind about the presence of the devil.

00:32:25.920 And I think that what we were saying just before the break about the Anglicans starting to relook after many centuries of neglect at exorcism, which they call deliverance.

00:32:44.160 I think this is something that I think it's room for common witness.

00:32:48.980 I think, let's put it like that, that's room for common witness against Satan and all his pomp and all his works.

00:32:58.900 Frank Walker, the awareness that we are in a spiritual battle was always at the very heart of the traditionally understood expression of Catholicism, which is the genuine, authentic expression of Catholicism.

00:33:17.900 I was particularly bemused to see probably the most authoritative, most establishment of the traditionalist organizations, the most respected, the most socially respected of the traditionalist organizations come out and very clearly criticized the SSPX.

00:33:46.900 For proceeding, announcing its intention to proceed with these consecrations.

00:33:54.580 But I wasn't surprised.

00:33:56.440 What was your take on this?

00:33:57.580 I noticed you also covered it on Canon 212.

00:34:00.340 What's your, what was your take on this?

00:34:03.080 Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's Joseph Shaw.

00:34:06.880 I think that Una Voce organization that he is official for is like represents a diocesan Latin masses, which are all over the world.

00:34:17.760 And he immediately came out and called for the canonical regularization of the SSPX.

00:34:24.920 It would enable its many works to bear the greatest possible fruit.

00:34:30.160 That, I mean, I can't understand where he gets that.

00:34:34.400 The SSPX has, it's like the fifth or fourth or fifth largest order in the Catholic Church.

00:34:42.320 You know, it has a, you know, not a quite right connection to the Catholic Church, but it's big.

00:34:47.000 It has 600,000 people in their parishes, has about 150 priories all over the world.

00:34:53.460 And every priory has a bunch of parishes that fan out from that.

00:34:57.180 So, I mean, it's, it is bearing a lot of fruit.

00:35:01.180 He, so he says we share their goal.

00:35:05.180 And, but there's a lot of people out there that already are able to get to the Latin mass and they have all the necessary permissions from their church's hierarchy.

00:35:14.200 That, to me, rings a little childish to me.

00:35:17.140 It's just, there's a thread running through these criticisms about the SSPX about obedience to authority.

00:35:24.780 Obedience to authority is a good idea.

00:35:26.520 Like if you were working in a corporation, you need to do what your boss says or you're fired.

00:35:30.620 But the Catholic Church isn't really like that.

00:35:32.620 The Catholic Church has more than just obedience to authority.

00:35:36.340 It's so, it's a, uh, obedience to a creed, to a faith before God.

00:35:41.560 Everybody forgets that part.

00:35:43.060 You know, you know, he's, he wants to be all technical about the permissions, which is true.

00:35:47.580 But, um, he says, and, and of course they have some legitimate complaints because they're making it very difficult in Leo church to be able to go to the Latin mass.

00:35:57.980 And that's why they get this environment for their silly idea of a state of emergency and creating bishops.

00:36:03.920 So he's kind of saying, well, this is your fault, Leo Vatican.

00:36:07.780 And, uh, we're here to help you fix it the right way.

00:36:12.020 He, I, I, I understand that he got a lot of pushback.

00:36:14.700 He gets, and I've seen this happen to him before on Twitter.

00:36:17.540 He gets like little ratioed and then he gets kind of angry and, and, uh, a little, uh, a little bit, uh, snitty about it.

00:36:25.100 So that's, that's one guy, um, the, the, uh, Bishop Allegante out of Switzerland, who's always touted as a conservative.

00:36:32.720 He's also, uh, really attacked the, um, the SSPX for the same reason.

00:36:38.780 They're just not, they're not in, in line with what they're supposed to do.

00:36:42.340 They're not following the appropriate channels being in line with, uh, Leo's church.

00:36:46.620 I mean, that, that's connecting yourself to a lot of characters.

00:36:50.160 You know what I mean?

00:36:51.560 There's more to it than that.

00:36:53.040 And, and it's, and there's also the Walsingham, uh, ordinary, it is issued a scathing rebuke.

00:36:59.880 So the, the people in the more establishment connected to Leo operations are all stomping up and down about this because of course, you know, SSPX outpaced them and is more successful than them.

00:37:13.660 I found the SSPX because I couldn't during the virus, I couldn't find any place to go to mass, but the SSPX would let you go.

00:37:20.720 Well, so much to, so much to, um, to, so much to break down in what you just said there.

00:37:26.740 Um, so the Una Voce statement coupled with the joint statement with the Latin mass society said that they had heard with concern the announcement by the superior general of the SSPX that they will carry out the Episcopal consecrations this year.

00:37:46.120 They say our ardent wish shared by many Catholics of goodwill is for the canonical regularization of the SSPX.

00:37:54.520 That's the point Frank Walker you were making, which would enable its many good works to bear the greatest possible fruit.

00:38:01.100 This announcement is an indication that this outcome is more, is a more distant prospect than it has seemed for many years.

00:38:09.240 So there, there's Una Voce are saying basically that regularization, canonical regularization with a modernist superstructure that hates the Catholic faith is more important than the SSPX being able to continue its own existence.

00:38:28.140 Um, there's, there's, there is so, there is so much, there is so much in that statement and what it reveals about the respectable side of tradition, traditionalists.

00:38:39.980 Traditionism, Frank Walker, it's not simply about the Latin mass, right?

00:38:44.940 I know people focus on that.

00:38:46.380 It's about, it's about, it's about everything that the church before the council taught.

00:38:52.200 And even beyond that, it's about a disposition and an attitude to the modern world in general.

00:38:58.540 It's about putting Jesus Christ first and his kingdom first, right?

00:39:04.640 What did Christ say?

00:39:05.580 Put the kingdom of God first and all the other things will be, will be added to.

00:39:11.540 It's the disposition of shutting out the secular world and concentrating on Jesus Christ.

00:39:17.380 That is what the traditional Catholic faith inculcated, and it's what was destroyed when the church embraced modernism institutionally at the Second Vatican Council.

00:39:29.460 And if the SSPX, because there's no way that Ratzinger would ever have liberalized the old mass if the SSPX hadn't existed.

00:39:37.220 If the SSPX isn't allowed to secure its episcopal, if it's not able to ensure its episcopal future and the ability to ordain its own priest, then it will die out.

00:39:53.440 And that was exactly the long game that John Paul II and Ratzinger were trying to bring about, right?

00:40:01.660 If they did what Una Voce said, that would be the end of the whole trad movement.

00:40:06.340 Yeah, it would be completely over because the Leo church would take it over, would never give it another bishop, would tell it, it can't say the mass anymore.

00:40:15.680 The ones that are pliant would do what they're told, and that would be the end of the traditional movement.

00:40:21.980 The SSPX standing separate and having bishops is key to the whole preservation of, like you're saying, the Catholic perspective, the Catholic attitude.

00:40:33.480 It's so necessary, and that's why it worries me so much.

00:40:38.320 This negotiation that Paul Irani—Paul Irani has just announced it's going to be meeting independently with just Kissy Fernandez next week.

00:40:46.600 That scares me.

00:40:48.160 When they went—when they—the Knights of Malta, when Francis wanted to take over the Knights of Malta, which is a big, powerful organization with its own, you know, passports and a lot of money on the line, he had a meeting with the Frouf Festing, the head of that operation, which is 1,000 years old.

00:41:05.380 And bam, the next day, the guy resigned.

00:41:08.740 I don't—it scares me that they—this is going into the spider's web and negotiating.

00:41:14.160 If you can't hold firm, you're not going to be able to maintain it.

00:41:17.900 These bishops need to be good Catholic men, otherwise the whole thing is done. 0.99

00:41:22.860 It's done.

00:41:23.340 We spoke about this, I repeat, we spoke about this two weeks ago, about the SSPXs needed to get on with the job of Episcopal consecration to provide for the next generation.

00:41:36.600 I'm not sure this would have happened under the Pagliani's predecessor, Bishop Fellay, and I'm delighted to see that the SSPX is rediscovering its spine here, because it is more important for any Catholic to remain obedient to tradition than it is to modernist hierarchs.

00:42:00.420 I wrote down what you said because it was so perfect, right?

00:42:03.860 I just want to check your quote before going on to quote you at future moments.

00:42:08.920 You said, if the SSPX did what the Vatican says, that would be the end of the traditional movement, right?

00:42:15.760 Frank Walker, that is the synthesis of what you said, yeah?

00:42:19.480 Because that's perfect.

00:42:20.380 That's true.

00:42:20.840 I made a note of that there.

00:42:21.660 It's the separation that's keeping it all going.

00:42:25.500 Great.

00:42:26.000 Well, we'll keep our beady, cynical eyes fixed on this.

00:42:30.200 And I have to say, oh, right, you mentioned Bishop Elegante, who's often indicated as being a traditional-minded bishop.

00:42:41.800 There was one bishop who came out and supported the SSPX because he's so right again and again and again.

00:42:53.200 And that was Archbishop Viganò, who is very much loved and supported by the warring posse, even by the evangelicals and the Protestants.

00:43:04.360 He's so clear and courageous and willing to go against the Catholic, the Vatican institutional hierarchy.

00:43:14.100 He has won many, many friends for himself.

00:43:16.100 Archbishop Viganò, a hero of the Catholic faith, gave his full-blooded endorsement to the SSPX.

00:43:24.080 By the way, Archbishop Viganò himself was excommunicated by the late unlamented Pope Leo.

00:43:35.840 Look, we'll be moving on to Jenny now to round off the show.

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00:45:52.020 Jenny Holland then.

00:45:53.600 So back to the Anglicans today.

00:45:57.020 Blimey, they are in the news.

00:45:59.080 And this is far more what we expect after the gentle and sedate and not remotely believing Anglicans.

00:46:06.400 Their clergy in London have been asked to promote anti-racism in sermons.

00:46:14.000 That should go down well with Jen. 0.88

00:46:16.080 Go on.

00:46:16.780 Tell me more.

00:46:18.360 So the Church of England bursars, which are called the church commissioners, have opened the purse strings, have opened the wallet to pour money into anti-racism, quote unquote, initiatives.

00:46:31.620 And as we know here in the war room, but not everyone might know, is that anti-racist does not mean you are against racism.

00:46:41.400 Anti-racist means you believe in the new religion of white supremacy, white guilt, and white privilege.

00:46:47.340 They're entirely different things.

00:46:49.260 So the Church of England, in a shock and surprise to absolutely no one, is going fully woke, essentially, more so than it even has already.

00:46:57.560 It is paying out £750,000 to parishes across England to do basically woke propaganda.

00:47:12.420 So it says here, I'm quoting directly, whether it's Bible studies, baptismal preparations, confirmation preparations, or sermons, what we would like to actively promote is racial justice as one of the ways in engaging with the challenges of the church.

00:47:25.320 Which is so ironic, which is so ironic, because basically all of this stuff is just a replacement religion.

00:47:29.860 It is not an addition, an addendum to Christianity.

00:47:35.760 Furthermore, and you can tell me better, being a true man of God, I thought that the Christian faith covered all of this stuff already,

00:47:47.340 and that we were all made in the image of God, and we don't need an updated, modernist, neo-communist ideology to be shoehorned into this ancient religion

00:48:01.600 to make us all less guilty of what this article is deeming racial sin.

00:48:07.120 So the Church of England is bringing in a new sin.

00:48:10.080 New sin just dropped.

00:48:11.660 Racial sin. 1.00

00:48:12.680 That only refers to white people, by the way. 1.00

00:48:15.740 Only white people are able to be guilty of racial sin. 0.97

00:48:20.200 Again, I do not think that is biblical. 0.85

00:48:23.920 You two are on a roll today.

00:48:26.920 New sin just dropped.

00:48:29.220 But no, in case you're wondering, Ben, in case you're doubting this, because I know what you are with your cynical BDI,

00:48:36.260 don't worry, in case you're concerned, unconscious bias training, which will be funded by this, for parish staff,

00:48:47.600 unconscious bias training for parish staff and councils will be theologically informed.

00:48:55.080 So do not fear.

00:48:56.400 It will be based in the Bible, apparently.

00:48:58.180 These neo-Maoist struggle sessions will be biblically correct, apparently. 0.90

00:49:03.600 And also, churches will be funded for support for refugees and asylum seekers.

00:49:11.140 So that's also covering all bases.

00:49:14.240 But let's not mistake this initiative, which is called the Racial Justice Priority Project for £750,000,

00:49:22.640 with a other project called Project Spire, which was a £100 million project to fund healing, repair, and justice to address historic links of the church to the enslavement of peoples in Africa.

00:49:37.540 And I would just like to remind the Church of England, far be it from me, to tell them their own history.

00:49:42.380 However, it is my understanding that the Anglican Communion in the African nations is far more conservative and far more doctrinaire and correct than anything,

00:49:56.000 that any of this nonsense that is passing for Christianity in England today. 0.74

00:50:01.640 I would like to remind them of that.

00:50:04.020 What did you say about the struggle sessions just now, because I didn't catch the first part?

00:50:07.860 They will be theologically informed.

00:50:15.460 Theologically informed struggle sessions.

00:50:18.320 Yes.

00:50:19.160 Very quickly.

00:50:22.020 Theologically informed.

00:50:26.320 Theologically informed, in quote marks, struggle sessions.

00:50:29.880 The term struggle sessions was supplied by Jenny Holland, folks.

00:50:33.500 Look, so much to bounce off, however, no time.

00:50:39.540 I do, you know, I would never call myself a man of God, but I call myself a sinner in need of Christ's salvation.

00:50:48.300 But you're absolutely right.

00:50:49.460 It's Genesis chapter 1, verses 26 and 27.

00:50:53.100 Man was made in the image and likeness of God.

00:50:55.160 The reason why that's not enough for these people is because they don't like talk.

00:51:00.200 The reason they want to do theologically informed struggle sessions is because they're ashamed to talk about Jesus Christ in the pulpit.

00:51:08.680 They're ashamed to talk about Jesus Christ, his holy law, his kingdom.

00:51:13.060 They don't want to talk about that.

00:51:14.260 So they will talk about anything else as a substitute.

00:51:17.920 These guys are pushing methadone as opposed to heroin.

00:51:21.060 Folks, that's all we have time for.

00:51:25.480 Jenny Holland, very quickly, on social media, where do people go to keep up with your exploding viral analysis?

00:51:32.440 Yeah, well, my YouTube channel is a good place to go now.

00:51:36.200 It is Saving Culture From Itself on YouTube.

00:51:39.360 And I'm also on Substack, jennieeholland.substack.com.

00:51:44.080 And Frank Walker?

00:51:44.940 Canon 212, type it in the address line.

00:51:49.120 And on Twitter, it's Canon 212 spelled out.

00:51:51.700 And the daily updates are in the right column.

00:51:53.560 And it's also on Rumble and on Gloria TV and at the Stumbling Block.

00:51:57.000 You can see there.

00:51:58.980 Folks, do try and check out Canon 212 during the week.

00:52:02.040 It will keep you posted.

00:52:03.000 That's all we've got time for now.

00:52:04.440 Thank you to Frank Walker, Jenny Holland, our producer, Cameron Wallace.

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Bannon's War Room - February 04, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 941： The Most Important Traditionalist Group In The Catholic Church Prepares To Go Back Into Schism

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