New York Mayor Bill de Blasio did not attend the installation of the new archbishop of New York, a move that shocked many in the Catholic Church, especially since he is a Muslim and has a long history of anti-Islamic views.
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00:15:54.000So, Jenny Holland, in the, um, in the Netherlands, they've seen what they're billing as a 40% rise in the number of adults who have been received into the Catholic Church.
00:16:07.000That is, either baptized straight off, um, or having, um, defected from one of our, um, our sister communions.
00:16:19.000Um, and that sounds pretty good, right?
00:16:39.000I always like to get the bad news first.
00:16:40.000Um, yeah, according to, and I'm reading for the study here, or the article here, the, um, data published by the Catholic Institute for Ecclesiastical Statistics, um, the number of adults joining the church increased.
00:16:54.000But the bad news is that there was a steep fall in infant baptisms across 20 years, and the numbers really are shocking.
00:17:04.000So 42,400 and something in 2000, uh, infant baptisms to a mere 6,000 in 2024.
00:17:12.000However, in 2024, there was a 40% increase of adults joining the Catholic Church.
00:17:19.000Um, the numbers, again, are small, 630, um, adults joined the church in 2024.
00:17:25.000Now, the interesting thing about that to me, Ben, and maybe, I don't know if you, maybe I'm going out on a limb, but tell me what you think.
00:17:32.000Um, that sort of indicates to me that, again, just what we were just talking about, the people who were raised by, in Catholic families going back, you know, 50, 60 years, um, again, the boomer Catholics, those, the offspring of those people did not stay in the flock.
00:17:52.000The flock, they have left. They were, um, disillusioned by the state of the church.
00:17:58.240Um, and what we're seeing now is young, I'm, I'm, I'm wondering, is this young adults coming in, uh, the 630 people are young adults or mainly young adults coming in, um, and perhaps they will then sort of repopulate, as I was talking about earlier.
00:18:16.480You, you've got this absolutely correct.
00:18:18.280Um, it's, it's the people who have the familiarity of what is being presented since the Second Vatican Council as the Catholic faith who are rejecting it and leaving it, and they're refusing even to have their kids baptized in it.
00:18:35.120And it's the people who have, um, had absolutely no connection to the Catholic, the Novus Ordo post-conciliate Catholic church whatsoever, and they're learning about it from books, from YouTube videos, from social media, um, those are the people who are being attracted to it.
00:18:54.140Um, and there is obviously, as we were just saying earlier on in the show, there is going to be a dissonance there between, um, expectation and reality.
00:19:04.420Um, and this is something we'll say on the show to, to, to, to any pastors who are listening, any priests, bishops who are listening to the show, um, that do what you can in the, in the management of expectations here, because this is a one-off opportunity for the church to have, for the Catholic church, for the evangelical communities as well, to have, uh, there is a moment going on, right?
00:19:31.040There is a revival moment going on, and we said, we speculated, you know, that, that, that there are a number of things here, but specifically, of course, the public grotesque martyrdom of Charlie Kirk, um, who was a hero to Generation Z anyway on social media, and then he, he, he, his brutal shooting, um, and of course people, now, after he, after he was killed, they, they decided to look more into his faith, uh, which was a huge part of his faith.
00:20:01.040His private interior life, and they, looking into that, they discovered that they want to learn more for themselves as well, um, and to pursue their own interior lives, and I am worried, seeing as you asked me this question, I am worried, really worried, especially the monolithic institution of the Catholic church isn't, not only is it, um, oblivious, uh, to what is going on here, when they start, when, when you see, when Catholic priests are going to start sitting down talking to these guys,
00:20:31.020who are coming into the church for the first time, they're going to, I think these priests are going to make it clear, they're not even welcome in the Catholic church, with the, with the views that they have, if they go on, if they go to knock on the presbytery door, wearing a red maga cap, um, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to, the priest is going to tell them, look, you know, you're not wanted here, we're basically a communist,
00:21:01.020the rosary, or, or, or, or going on crusade, Jenny, I, I hand back to you, but I just want to, I just want to come in, um, and, and just supplement those figures that you gave, um, you, you mentioned that the fall in infant baptisms, um, which is exactly, um, as, as you said, these are, this is people who know the Catholic, the post-conciliar Catholic faith, which isn't the Catholic faith, um, it's a, it's a, it's a substitute of the true Catholic faith,
00:21:29.180but they know it, they grew up in it, they've, and they've rejected it, and those figures, once again, because Jenny mentioned them before, folks, but here they are, this is for you to quote when you're down at the bar, um, or at the bowling alley, and you're talking to your friends, and you want to know, you want to set, you're talking, you're evangelizing, and you just, what are those figures again? In the year 2000, in the Netherlands, the, uh, the infant baptisms were at 42,000, and they have now fallen in 20, 24 to 6,000.
00:21:58.220Let me hit the, um, adult abandonments of the church as well, because those figures are also horrific, horrific.
00:22:06.160Netherlands is a country of some 18 million people, um, and the Catholics, the number of Catholics fell from just a little over 5 million in the year, 2000 to 3.4 million, um, uh, in 2024, so that's a falling away of about 1.5 million, uh, around what, uh,
00:22:28.20030 percent, uh, so you, so you have 3.4 million over 24 years abandoning the church, uh, compared with the 600 people that came in in last year alone.
00:22:41.260These figures are, um, they're, uh, they're nothing, but, uh, in, the, the, the number of people abandoning the Catholic church is absolutely colossal,
00:22:50.420and the number that's coming is tiny, so the Catholic, the post-conciliar Catholic church shouldn't be patting itself on the back too heavily because of that.
00:22:59.300I will hand back to you on this point, Jenny, that said, right, because what is really important here is quality of conversions.
00:23:07.140These 600 or so who have come in, these are going to be people on faith, on fire with the faith, and Jesus Christ, when he evangelized, uh, when he launched the church after Pentecost with just 12, um, apostles, uh, evangelized the whole world.
00:23:25.080He started off with 12, uh, people who were on fire with the Holy Spirit.
00:23:29.360Um, so 600 people is a lot more than 12, and so when the Holy Spirit is involved, anything can happen, right?
00:23:35.840Mm-hmm, yeah, and, uh, agreed, um, the quality is, matters more than the quantity, without a doubt.
00:23:44.720Also, you know, the broader context, um, within Europe, but also within Netherlands, is that it has been, um, essentially a globalist plaything.
00:23:53.780It's been, um, undergoing massive immigration, especially from Muslim countries.
00:23:59.160Um, it's been a hotbed of populist discontent, the Dutch farmers, um, protests, um, and, uh, and, you know,
00:24:05.840most famously or infamously, they have this extremely permissive culture, uh, regarding, uh, sort of prostitution and drugs and this sort of thing.
00:24:14.840Um, and again, like I said before, you know, in a, in a more sane, secular, liberal era, the, the prostitution and the drugs, oh, it was always held up, like, oh, look, look how civilized these people are.
00:24:25.520They're so enlightened, they can, they're proof that you can have a, um, civilized society that also allows these things to, these adult behaviors to exist legally.
00:24:37.440Um, but, you know, um, the Netherlands also has a euthanasia law that applies to children as young as 12.
00:24:45.700Um, and if that is not going to cause you to really question the, the, the liberal religion, uh, the, I mean, it's basically liberal extremism, uh, and the woke religion that, that has allowed for such a travesty, an actual abomination that a 12-year-old can petition the government to be killed, uh, due to whatever they deem unbearable suffering.
00:25:09.620And anyone over the age of 16 can do it without parental consent.
00:25:14.560I mean, if that is not going to turn a few hearts towards, um, you know, the true church and God and spirituality in general and the Christian faith in particular, which stands firmly against that, then nothing will, you know, and you're absolutely right.
00:25:28.440It's always a minority that starts the fire.
00:25:31.200What we need are more people, Jenny Holland, who are able to do what you have done, which is pray the Holy Rosary for a whole year, not with any big fanfare, not with any New Year's resolution of saying,
00:25:52.940I'm going to pray the Rosary for every day for the next 365 days, it's, I'll do it one day at a time and see what happens.
00:26:03.400Um, which is the far more spiritually mature thing to do.
00:26:07.920And of course, then the spiritual graces and the spiritual fruits of praying the daily Rosary start to show themselves in, in your daily life.
00:26:17.200And that's why, and that's why you carry on, not because you made some flash fanfare commitment, but because each day you renew your commitments to Christ, right?
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00:33:23.140So anytime I see anything that indicates that people are still on side, I'm happy to see it.
00:33:34.620In particular because on social media and in the mainstream media, there has been an unrelenting weapons-grade psychological operation
00:33:48.840intended to strike fear, panic, and terror into the hearts of American citizens over the ICE operations to remove illegal aliens and illegal alien criminals.
00:34:07.080People have committed very serious crimes, not just being in the country illegally, and have them removed from the country.
00:34:14.080So I'm very heartened to see that white Catholics in particular have withstood that pressure campaign.
00:34:23.520It did show a decline among Hispanic Catholics.
00:34:26.720But again, I mean, these are people who are going to see it slightly differently being newer immigrants themselves.
00:34:34.980And again, I mean, you know, and the audience will surely know just the levels of insanity that are going on and are on display across social media,
00:34:49.160primarily driven by these absolute hysterical, affluent white liberal women who, I mean, the propaganda campaign,
00:34:59.960and I see it shared all the time, including by people I know well, they're sending children to concentration camps.
00:35:07.040They're kidnapping children off the streets.
00:35:09.400They're murdering American citizens like Alex Preddy and Renee Good.
00:35:15.020It is really, really relentless and extremely dangerous.
00:35:19.880I mean, this is the kind of thing that does get people killed.
00:35:23.320It's exactly what got Alex Preddy killed and what got Renee Good killed.
00:35:26.940It's not, it wasn't, you know, the American Gestapo.
00:35:31.180It was their fantasy that they were acting in some sort of heroic resistance manner that caused them to behave rashly,