Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 946： PEW REPORT： Catholics’ Support Of President Trump Has NOT Changed Significantly Over The Past Year

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00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K.

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00:00:54.000 Wednesday, 11th of February, Anno Domini

00:00:57.000 2026. Harnwell here at the helm on Steve

00:01:01.000 Bannon's War Room. Covering as we do

00:01:03.000 every week, Christianity in review over

00:01:06.000 the last seven days. Joining me tonight

00:01:09.000 as always, Jenny Holland. Jenny, good

00:01:12.000 evening to you. We've got a lot of stuff

00:01:15.000 that we're going to go through today.

00:01:17.000 Let's start off with this one. This is

00:01:20.000 something that pricked up your ears when

00:01:23.000 you heard about this. And this is the

00:01:24.000 fact that New York's new mayor for the

00:01:27.000 first time in a hundred years, if not for

00:01:32.000 the first time since the diocese was

00:01:34.000 created, did not attend the installation of

00:01:38.000 the new Archbishop of New York. Tell us more

00:01:41.000 about what happened there.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, the New York Post is reporting that

00:01:48.000 last Friday, at the installment of the new

00:01:51.000 Archbishop Richard Hicks, I believe, Mamdani

00:01:55.000 skipped out on the event. This is the

00:01:58.000 traditional chance for politicos to come and

00:02:02.000 sort of schmooze with church hierarchy and

00:02:04.000 ingratiate themselves with the laity. And

00:02:08.000 Mamdani, perhaps not that surprisingly,

00:02:10.000 decided he had better things to do. His

00:02:12.000 office said he had a prior commitment,

00:02:14.000 although they didn't say what. And he did

00:02:16.000 attend an interfaith breakfast on the same

00:02:18.000 day, but did not find time for the new

00:02:21.000 Archbishop. You know, I think, is this

00:02:25.000 really that surprising? No. I think that

00:02:29.000 obviously Mamdani has gotten the most

00:02:31.000 attention for being this extreme left-wing

00:02:35.000 Muslim political activist and the first

00:02:40.000 time that a mayor of New York City or

00:02:42.000 anyone in any kind of level of power in

00:02:45.000 New York has been a Muslim. But, you know, 1.00

00:02:49.000 I think, you know, he makes such a big

00:02:51.000 deal, especially in his election campaign,

00:02:55.000 of sort of playing to the salt of the

00:02:59.000 earth working class Hispanics and immigrant

00:03:02.000 communities. And then he doesn't even

00:03:04.000 bother going to the installation of one of

00:03:06.000 their most high-ranking ecclesiastical

00:03:09.000 figures. So, you know, you can do the math,

00:03:12.000 right? I mean, the veneer of sort of

00:03:16.000 crunchy, we love everyone pose that he

00:03:21.000 adapted during his campaign is well and truly

00:03:23.000 off since he was installed in Gracie Mansion in

00:03:27.000 January of this year. And he's shown a much

00:03:30.000 more sort of rabid, hardline side to him, which

00:03:36.000 would surprise no one in the MAGA posse, obviously.

00:03:40.000 But, you know, start as you mean to go on. I mean,

00:03:42.000 this is not a man who cares one wit, really, about

00:03:46.000 the dearly held faith of working class Hispanics,

00:03:50.000 never mind working class Irish and Italians.

00:03:53.000 Of course, New York being the heartland of those

00:03:56.000 immigrant communities going back, you know, centuries

00:04:00.000 at this point. So, yeah, not a huge surprise, but

00:04:04.000 extremely disrespectful and probably politically

00:04:07.000 unwise.

00:04:10.000 Okay. So the guy, as we know, is a radical

00:04:16.000 jihadist, communist, and I get why he's not

00:04:22.000 going to go to the installation of the

00:04:26.000 of the Catholic Church's bishop for the New York

00:04:31.000 Diocese. That said, I probably would, you know,

00:04:35.000 what did you say in your commentary just now, Jenny?

00:04:38.000 He's obviously scorning the deeply held faith

00:04:43.000 of millions of his patch. And that's true.

00:04:53.000 But that would be the, if I were mayor of New York,

00:04:55.000 I wouldn't go for that very reason.

00:04:58.000 Because the Archbishop of New York is scorning

00:05:02.000 the faith of millions of Catholics.

00:05:05.000 Yeah.

00:05:06.000 I have to say, look, I don't like, you know,

00:05:11.000 constantly ridiculing hierarchs or bishops and

00:05:18.000 cardinals in the Catholic Church publicly.

00:05:21.000 But sometimes it's impossible to have a reasoned

00:05:25.000 debate about what's going on without doing so.

00:05:28.000 So with great trepidation, I'm going to ask the guys

00:05:33.000 in Denver to play a short segment of the new

00:05:38.000 Archbishop of New York's installation homily.

00:05:41.000 And then I will make a commentary on that.

00:05:43.000 Over to you guys.

00:05:44.000 And while Chicago will always be my kind of town,

00:06:01.000 here and now are my feelings about New York based on the

00:06:07.000 following songs done with just a little bit of creative editing

00:06:12.000 to some of the lyrics.

00:06:13.000 Okay?

00:06:14.000 Here goes.

00:06:15.000 Some folks like to get away, take a holiday from the neighborhood.

00:06:24.000 I'm in a New York state of mind.

00:06:28.000 Concrete jungles where dreams are made of.

00:06:31.000 There's nothing you can't do.

00:06:33.000 Now you're in New York.

00:06:36.000 I happen to like New York.

00:06:54.000 I happen to love this town.

00:06:57.000 So, start spreading the news.

00:07:00.000 I'm starting today.

00:07:02.000 I want to be a part of it.

00:07:16.000 New York, New York.

00:07:18.000 Um, for those, I mean, I know the audio wasn't perfect on

00:07:30.000 that.

00:07:31.000 Uh, for those who couldn't quite make out what was going

00:07:36.000 on, the, um, the spiritual leader of New York's Catholics at

00:07:41.000 its installation mass was just reciting sort of like Frank Sinatra

00:07:46.000 another type that New York, New York, that sort of thing to wild

00:07:50.000 ecstatic applause.

00:07:51.000 I have to say, I, I mean, I, I, I, I could hardly listen to it.

00:07:54.000 If I made myself listen to it before the show, um, through to

00:07:59.000 the end.

00:08:00.000 I mean, it's Jenny, look, every time, every Wednesday you come on

00:08:03.000 the show, you detail what's going on, especially in generation Z,

00:08:08.000 Gen Z, right? 0.86

00:08:09.000 Especially amongst young guys, um, who are coming into the church for

00:08:14.000 the first time.

00:08:16.000 Um, and these guys, we'll talk about a little bit about this, um,

00:08:20.000 in the second half of the show in, um, it, like for example,

00:08:24.000 in the Netherlands, which I know you have some details about.

00:08:27.000 These guys, small, perhaps in, in number, especially to those who

00:08:32.000 are deserting the church year by year.

00:08:35.000 But these guys are fired up with faith.

00:08:37.000 These are the kind of guys that you'll see on social media with

00:08:40.000 sort of crusader icons in as their, um, as their, um, avatars, right?

00:08:46.000 That sort of thing.

00:08:47.000 These guys are on fire for the faith and they want to defend Christendom

00:08:52.000 because they realize it is under existential attack.

00:08:55.000 And I'm just wondering if it, but they, you know, a lot of them have

00:08:58.000 found their faith and found their calling through social media, right?

00:09:01.000 Through like-minded, um, online peeps.

00:09:06.000 And I'm just wondering, cause they're not going to, they're not going to be

00:09:09.000 that familiar with the day to day church going journey.

00:09:13.000 And I'm wondering what, you know, you got, you got your 20 year old guy,

00:09:17.000 right?

00:09:18.000 You know, your 20 year old Jim, bro.

00:09:20.000 Who's one minute moment.

00:09:21.000 He's sort of, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's uploading,

00:09:25.000 he's live streaming from the gym.

00:09:27.000 And then he's going to go back to his room and sort of read some scripture

00:09:31.000 to, uh, on social media.

00:09:33.000 This guy's going to go into the cathedral of New York at St.

00:09:36.000 Patrick's probably for the first time.

00:09:38.000 And he's going to see that.

00:09:40.000 And he's going to say, this isn't the label that was on the can.

00:09:46.000 Right.

00:09:47.000 What am I doing here?

00:09:48.000 Right.

00:09:49.000 This is the opportunity for the, for the Archbishop of New York to reach,

00:09:54.000 because this is installation mass, this is an opportunity to reach an audience,

00:09:58.000 a wide audience.

00:09:59.000 Cause everyone's writing, we're writing about his installation and to get out

00:10:03.000 there and to speak to these people who for the first time ever are,

00:10:07.000 are getting in date engaged with the defense of Christendom,

00:10:11.000 not just Catholics.

00:10:12.000 It was happening in Protestant, Protestantism as well.

00:10:15.000 And they're going to see that and they're going to think, Oh my God.

00:10:20.000 Yeah.

00:10:21.000 Yeah.

00:10:22.000 Um, I, not only was that profane, um, I think is actually known online as boomer slop. 0.88

00:10:29.000 Um, look, the church hierarchy, and I've, I've learned a lot from you and Frank and Liz on this,

00:10:37.000 Ben.

00:10:38.000 So, you know, you, you, you guys are the experts, but the church hierarchy is obviously

00:10:43.000 deeply embedded in the bosom of the elites.

00:10:46.000 They are the elites.

00:10:47.000 They are, uh, the sort of boomer gerontocracy.

00:10:50.000 Not that this man is particularly old, but in general, um, they are entirely boomer gerontocracy 0.99

00:10:57.000 coded, shall we say.

00:10:59.000 Uh, and, um, those people do not realize what time it is.

00:11:04.000 So that was a cutesy little, um, spiel to use a nice New York word, um, that, you know,

00:11:11.000 is from the before times.

00:11:12.000 It's from before the spiritual emergency, um, and this cultural crisis and a time of great

00:11:18.000 political danger, um, where this common sense revolution that we are, um, trying to, um,

00:11:25.000 ensure succeeds, um, is constantly on a knife's edge.

00:11:30.000 Um, so, you know, that would have been sort of funny and, um, you know, ingratiating 20,

00:11:37.000 30 years ago.

00:11:38.000 Um, those times are no longer with us.

00:11:41.000 The elites of the church, just like the elites of politics, um, and media and culture fail to

00:11:47.000 see that or deliberately, um, pretend they don't see it.

00:11:52.000 Um, and yeah, I mean, we, we just see week after week, we see more and more, um, evidence

00:11:58.000 that the young people, especially the young men entering the faith for the first time,

00:12:03.000 they always fit this pattern, right?

00:12:05.000 Their, their boomer grandparents, um, or perhaps parents left the church or they were exposed 0.98

00:12:12.000 to the children through the boomer church and found it utterly lacking and hypocritical 0.59

00:12:16.000 and were turned off by all of these terrible scandals involving children and whatnot.

00:12:21.000 Um, and they've gone really back to the source, back to the book, back to the traditional mass.

00:12:26.000 Um, and as much as I, you know, I don't want to wait, have to wait another generation to see it.

00:12:32.000 These people will be growing in number, assuming they, they are, you know, they're Catholics, 0.98

00:12:37.000 they're going to marry, they're going to have children.

00:12:39.000 Um, and they will eventually replace this current caste.

00:12:44.000 Um, you know, it's just a matter of what, what state are we all going to be in?

00:12:50.000 Not just the church, what state is society going to be in by the time these young men in particular,

00:12:55.000 um, have any chance at, um, kind of grabbing the reins of power.

00:13:00.000 And in that it's, it's much like the, the political establishment in DC as well.

00:13:06.000 Let, let me just make sure that I've, I synthesize you correctly on there.

00:13:10.000 If I tie that together, you see your argument there, having watched that installation mass of, uh, of Archbishop Hicks,

00:13:18.000 Boomer Slop, as you call it, um, Boomer Slop is turning, um, will turn generations away,

00:13:27.000 especially those who are approaching the church for the first time, right?

00:13:31.000 That's your, that's your warning to the Catholic church hierarchy.

00:13:34.000 That's a perfect journey.

00:13:35.000 Look, stand by.

00:13:37.000 We'll hit your, your, um, reporting in a moment of what's going on, um, in the Netherlands.

00:13:44.000 It's interesting, the Netherlands.

00:13:46.000 There's some good, there's, there's a lot to be alarmed about, but there's a lot to be encouraged about.

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00:15:54.000 So, Jenny Holland, in the, um, in the Netherlands, they've seen what they're billing as a 40% rise in the number of adults who have been received into the Catholic Church.

00:16:07.000 That is, either baptized straight off, um, or having, um, defected from one of our, um, our sister communions.

00:16:19.000 Um, and that sounds pretty good, right?

00:16:23.000 Mm-hmm.

00:16:24.000 40% increase.

00:16:25.000 You break down the actual numbers, however, and it's horrific in terms of the people who left the church.

00:16:33.000 Tell me what you have uncovered.

00:16:36.000 Should I give you the bad news first?

00:16:39.000 I always like to get the bad news first.

00:16:40.000 Um, yeah, according to, and I'm reading for the study here, or the article here, the, um, data published by the Catholic Institute for Ecclesiastical Statistics, um, the number of adults joining the church increased.

00:16:54.000 But the bad news is that there was a steep fall in infant baptisms across 20 years, and the numbers really are shocking.

00:17:04.000 So 42,400 and something in 2000, uh, infant baptisms to a mere 6,000 in 2024.

00:17:12.000 However, in 2024, there was a 40% increase of adults joining the Catholic Church.

00:17:19.000 Um, the numbers, again, are small, 630, um, adults joined the church in 2024.

00:17:25.000 Now, the interesting thing about that to me, Ben, and maybe, I don't know if you, maybe I'm going out on a limb, but tell me what you think.

00:17:32.000 Um, that sort of indicates to me that, again, just what we were just talking about, the people who were raised by, in Catholic families going back, you know, 50, 60 years, um, again, the boomer Catholics, those, the offspring of those people did not stay in the flock. 0.56

00:17:52.000 The flock, they have left. They were, um, disillusioned by the state of the church.

00:17:58.240 Um, and what we're seeing now is young, I'm, I'm, I'm wondering, is this young adults coming in, uh, the 630 people are young adults or mainly young adults coming in, um, and perhaps they will then sort of repopulate, as I was talking about earlier.

00:18:13.660 What do you think about that theory?

00:18:16.480 You, you've got this absolutely correct.

00:18:18.280 Um, it's, it's the people who have the familiarity of what is being presented since the Second Vatican Council as the Catholic faith who are rejecting it and leaving it, and they're refusing even to have their kids baptized in it.

00:18:35.120 And it's the people who have, um, had absolutely no connection to the Catholic, the Novus Ordo post-conciliate Catholic church whatsoever, and they're learning about it from books, from YouTube videos, from social media, um, those are the people who are being attracted to it.

00:18:54.140 Um, and there is obviously, as we were just saying earlier on in the show, there is going to be a dissonance there between, um, expectation and reality.

00:19:04.420 Um, and this is something we'll say on the show to, to, to, to any pastors who are listening, any priests, bishops who are listening to the show, um, that do what you can in the, in the management of expectations here, because this is a one-off opportunity for the church to have, for the Catholic church, for the evangelical communities as well, to have, uh, there is a moment going on, right?

00:19:31.040 There is a revival moment going on, and we said, we speculated, you know, that, that, that there are a number of things here, but specifically, of course, the public grotesque martyrdom of Charlie Kirk, um, who was a hero to Generation Z anyway on social media, and then he, he, he, his brutal shooting, um, and of course people, now, after he, after he was killed, they, they decided to look more into his faith, uh, which was a huge part of his faith.

00:20:01.040 His private interior life, and they, looking into that, they discovered that they want to learn more for themselves as well, um, and to pursue their own interior lives, and I am worried, seeing as you asked me this question, I am worried, really worried, especially the monolithic institution of the Catholic church isn't, not only is it, um, oblivious, uh, to what is going on here, when they start, when, when you see, when Catholic priests are going to start sitting down talking to these guys,

00:20:31.020 who are coming into the church for the first time, they're going to, I think these priests are going to make it clear, they're not even welcome in the Catholic church, with the, with the views that they have, if they go on, if they go to knock on the presbytery door, wearing a red maga cap, um, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to, the priest is going to tell them, look, you know, you're not wanted here, we're basically a communist,

00:21:01.020 the rosary, or, or, or, or going on crusade, Jenny, I, I hand back to you, but I just want to, I just want to come in, um, and, and just supplement those figures that you gave, um, you, you mentioned that the fall in infant baptisms, um, which is exactly, um, as, as you said, these are, this is people who know the Catholic, the post-conciliar Catholic faith, which isn't the Catholic faith, um, it's a, it's a, it's a substitute of the true Catholic faith,

00:21:29.180 but they know it, they grew up in it, they've, and they've rejected it, and those figures, once again, because Jenny mentioned them before, folks, but here they are, this is for you to quote when you're down at the bar, um, or at the bowling alley, and you're talking to your friends, and you want to know, you want to set, you're talking, you're evangelizing, and you just, what are those figures again? In the year 2000, in the Netherlands, the, uh, the infant baptisms were at 42,000, and they have now fallen in 20, 24 to 6,000.

00:21:58.220 Let me hit the, um, adult abandonments of the church as well, because those figures are also horrific, horrific.

00:22:06.160 Netherlands is a country of some 18 million people, um, and the Catholics, the number of Catholics fell from just a little over 5 million in the year, 2000 to 3.4 million, um, uh, in 2024, so that's a falling away of about 1.5 million, uh, around what, uh,

00:22:28.200 30 percent, uh, so you, so you have 3.4 million over 24 years abandoning the church, uh, compared with the 600 people that came in in last year alone.

00:22:41.260 These figures are, um, they're, uh, they're nothing, but, uh, in, the, the, the number of people abandoning the Catholic church is absolutely colossal,

00:22:50.420 and the number that's coming is tiny, so the Catholic, the post-conciliar Catholic church shouldn't be patting itself on the back too heavily because of that.

00:22:59.300 I will hand back to you on this point, Jenny, that said, right, because what is really important here is quality of conversions.

00:23:07.140 These 600 or so who have come in, these are going to be people on faith, on fire with the faith, and Jesus Christ, when he evangelized, uh, when he launched the church after Pentecost with just 12, um, apostles, uh, evangelized the whole world.

00:23:25.080 He started off with 12, uh, people who were on fire with the Holy Spirit.

00:23:29.360 Um, so 600 people is a lot more than 12, and so when the Holy Spirit is involved, anything can happen, right?

00:23:35.840 Mm-hmm, yeah, and, uh, agreed, um, the quality is, matters more than the quantity, without a doubt.

00:23:44.720 Also, you know, the broader context, um, within Europe, but also within Netherlands, is that it has been, um, essentially a globalist plaything.

00:23:53.780 It's been, um, undergoing massive immigration, especially from Muslim countries.

00:23:59.160 Um, it's been a hotbed of populist discontent, the Dutch farmers, um, protests, um, and, uh, and, you know,

00:24:05.840 most famously or infamously, they have this extremely permissive culture, uh, regarding, uh, sort of prostitution and drugs and this sort of thing.

00:24:14.840 Um, and again, like I said before, you know, in a, in a more sane, secular, liberal era, the, the prostitution and the drugs, oh, it was always held up, like, oh, look, look how civilized these people are.

00:24:25.520 They're so enlightened, they can, they're proof that you can have a, um, civilized society that also allows these things to, these adult behaviors to exist legally.

00:24:37.440 Um, but, you know, um, the Netherlands also has a euthanasia law that applies to children as young as 12.

00:24:45.700 Um, and if that is not going to cause you to really question the, the, the liberal religion, uh, the, I mean, it's basically liberal extremism, uh, and the woke religion that, that has allowed for such a travesty, an actual abomination that a 12-year-old can petition the government to be killed, uh, due to whatever they deem unbearable suffering.

00:25:09.620 And anyone over the age of 16 can do it without parental consent.

00:25:14.560 I mean, if that is not going to turn a few hearts towards, um, you know, the true church and God and spirituality in general and the Christian faith in particular, which stands firmly against that, then nothing will, you know, and you're absolutely right.

00:25:28.440 It's always a minority that starts the fire. 1.00

00:25:31.200 What we need are more people, Jenny Holland, who are able to do what you have done, which is pray the Holy Rosary for a whole year, not with any big fanfare, not with any New Year's resolution of saying,

00:25:52.940 I'm going to pray the Rosary for every day for the next 365 days, it's, I'll do it one day at a time and see what happens.

00:26:03.400 Um, which is the far more spiritually mature thing to do.

00:26:07.920 And of course, then the spiritual graces and the spiritual fruits of praying the daily Rosary start to show themselves in, in your daily life.

00:26:17.200 And that's why, and that's why you carry on, not because you made some flash fanfare commitment, but because each day you renew your commitments to Christ, right?

00:26:28.460 That's the secret.

00:26:30.040 That's it.

00:26:30.700 I'm, I'm, I'm not some social media influencer doing it for cloud.

00:26:34.580 Um, it's private and it's helped me immensely in my life.

00:26:37.960 It's helped me.

00:26:39.100 I don't have words for how much it's helped.

00:26:42.380 Beautiful testimony, Jenny.

00:26:43.800 Stand by, we're back folks in just two short minutes time.

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00:32:23.260 Well, the Pew report, which is one of the great authoritative sources on dynamics across Christianity,

00:32:32.500 across the West, has just produced a report which details the various Christian denominations support for President Trump one year in.

00:32:44.740 Interesting figures.

00:32:48.140 It shows a slight decline amongst white evangelical Protestants.

00:32:53.400 But amongst white Catholics, the numbers actually are holding up.

00:32:58.280 Jenny, you've seen these figures.

00:32:59.540 What was your first takeaway of the Pew report's research?

00:33:04.400 It was something akin to relief, I guess, given that it's a midterm year and they're coming fast upon us.

00:33:14.240 You know, everything is at stake in this coming election.

00:33:17.840 Everything is at stake two years after.

00:33:19.920 Literally everything.

00:33:21.060 Freedom itself.

00:33:22.160 Real democracy.

00:33:23.140 So anytime I see anything that indicates that people are still on side, I'm happy to see it.

00:33:34.620 In particular because on social media and in the mainstream media, there has been an unrelenting weapons-grade psychological operation

00:33:48.840 intended to strike fear, panic, and terror into the hearts of American citizens over the ICE operations to remove illegal aliens and illegal alien criminals.

00:34:07.080 People have committed very serious crimes, not just being in the country illegally, and have them removed from the country.

00:34:14.080 So I'm very heartened to see that white Catholics in particular have withstood that pressure campaign.

00:34:23.520 It did show a decline among Hispanic Catholics.

00:34:26.720 But again, I mean, these are people who are going to see it slightly differently being newer immigrants themselves.

00:34:34.980 And again, I mean, you know, and the audience will surely know just the levels of insanity that are going on and are on display across social media,

00:34:49.160 primarily driven by these absolute hysterical, affluent white liberal women who, I mean, the propaganda campaign, 1.00

00:34:59.960 and I see it shared all the time, including by people I know well, they're sending children to concentration camps. 0.89

00:35:07.040 They're kidnapping children off the streets.

00:35:09.400 They're murdering American citizens like Alex Preddy and Renee Good.

00:35:15.020 It is really, really relentless and extremely dangerous.

00:35:19.880 I mean, this is the kind of thing that does get people killed.

00:35:23.320 It's exactly what got Alex Preddy killed and what got Renee Good killed.

00:35:26.940 It's not, it wasn't, you know, the American Gestapo.

00:35:31.180 It was their fantasy that they were acting in some sort of heroic resistance manner that caused them to behave rashly,

00:35:39.520 and they ended up dead.

00:35:41.420 So, yeah, overall, I think it's positive.

00:35:43.700 What do you think?

00:35:44.580 Well, it seems to me that the Vatican's project, the globalist's project as well,

00:35:54.080 of having the Vatican put forward an American pope who could be wheeled out to oppose President Trump and his policies

00:36:06.240 and to oppose President Trump's heroic opposition to the third world illegal invasion.

00:36:15.680 That project, it would appear to me at this point, Jenny, has failed because Catholics aren't listening. 1.00

00:36:23.120 That was my takeaway at this.

00:36:24.660 Because, of course, the Vatican has been incredibly, Leo has been incredibly, this is a point of continuity

00:36:37.560 between the late, unlimited Pope Francis to Pope Leo, his anointed heir,

00:36:45.880 the Vatican being effectively just a humanist NGO, a pro-migration NGO now,

00:36:54.660 the idea of putting an American pope in as the front man.

00:37:00.640 Because then, of course, President Trump can't say, or at least American Catholics can't say, 0.55

00:37:06.420 oh, you know, this is like, it's an Argentine pope or it's a German pope.

00:37:11.280 They don't understand the American context.

00:37:13.720 And dismiss the socialism coming out of the Vatican for that reason.

00:37:19.800 They've got an American in now. 0.93

00:37:21.320 Though I have said on the show, I doubt the extent to which you can legitimately consider Leo to be an American pope.

00:37:28.680 It seems to me, Jenny, that that's failed.

00:37:31.580 That American Catholics aren't allowing themselves to be deceived by that strategy

00:37:41.060 and they will remain loyal to President Trump and his agenda.

00:37:45.420 And that's incredible.

00:37:48.100 I'm very happy to see that.

00:37:50.660 That's because the American church is incredibly, that's because the American church particularly,

00:37:56.040 the American Catholic church particularly, is incredibly strong on a lot of the cultural issues.

00:38:03.020 That is incredible, especially because, you know, there was, I think, an upswell in positive feelings for the Vatican

00:38:14.020 when Leo ascended to the throne, was it a few months ago?

00:38:19.780 I have lost track of time.

00:38:21.760 So, yeah, you're right.

00:38:22.880 It is remarkable that they, if that is correct, they haven't fallen for the PR that that was.

00:38:33.800 I just think that, look, on social media, everything, in the mainstream media even more so,

00:38:39.740 everything seems so extreme and deliberately so.

00:38:44.700 It's deliberately made out to seem extreme and, like, there's this kind of unbridgeable divide.

00:38:55.140 And, you know, definitely there are in terms of policies, in terms of parties, in terms of real issues.

00:39:01.060 There is a lot of unbridgeable divides there.

00:39:06.400 But that's media and social media.

00:39:08.920 In communities, in towns and in parishes and in neighborhoods, people tend to be really quite sane

00:39:19.840 and quite common sense based.

00:39:23.840 So I think when people see, when normies, you know, for lack of a better term,

00:39:28.780 I don't mean that as an insult, when normies see these ice protests,

00:39:35.700 which are entirely fake and astroturfed and engineered and funded

00:39:40.380 by these powerful political and economic groups,

00:39:45.040 they don't recognize themselves.

00:39:48.740 They don't recognize American traditions of protest and dissent. 0.99

00:39:53.240 They see a bunch of absolute looney tunes running around, acting like fools and acting like zealots. 0.97

00:40:02.080 And that's a big turnoff for people who are just trying to go about their lives, 0.96

00:40:07.600 mind their business, build their families, and live a decent life,

00:40:11.420 which is, like, without doubt, the majority of Americans,

00:40:15.540 certainly of all American Christians and religious people in general.

00:40:20.720 You know, the left, obviously, and the liberals are an—I'm not including them in that,

00:40:27.140 because they do really seem to be fully radicalized and kind of beyond reach at this point.

00:40:32.020 But I think, in a sense, they're almost doing us a favor by showing their true colors

00:40:39.780 and by behaving in this irrational and frightening and violent manner.

00:40:45.440 I mean, it's not just the violence of Alex Preddy kicking the headlights

00:40:49.600 and the throwing of bottles and the mobbing of ICE agents in hotels and all that stuff,

00:40:54.720 but the rhetorical violence from the side that says words are violence,

00:40:59.920 and then they go around, you know, and I'm currently doing this big project about this very thing,

00:41:05.100 like women advocating for the sexual mutilation of men, conservative men, 0.61

00:41:10.480 women celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 0.97

00:41:14.300 It's just this endless vile and really kind of, like, witch-like behavior.

00:41:23.500 Normal people are not going to want to get behind that.

00:41:26.460 Normal people are going to say, well, actually, I think I might just stick with what I already know,

00:41:32.800 and I already backed Trump, and let's just see if we can ride out the storm.

00:41:37.180 Yeah, it's going to be interesting, isn't it, to see what the next move that the Vatican will play.

00:41:46.680 But I am, you know, to add to what you're saying, I am very quietly encouraged and satisfied

00:41:52.960 that the U.S. Catholic Church has so far failed to be seduced by the fact that there's an American pope.

00:42:05.340 A couple of percentage, and that's all. That's great news.

00:42:08.340 I mean, doesn't this go back?

00:42:09.840 And I even think, I think we'll win them back.

00:42:11.800 I think we'll, those who, the couple of percentage that have peeled off,

00:42:15.580 I think we're going to win them back.

00:42:16.840 And doesn't this go back a little bit to this eternal question that we keep coming back to,

00:42:21.700 the laity versus the hierarchy?

00:42:24.240 I think that there's a lot to that, really.

00:42:27.300 I think the laity are people who live in these communities that have been affected by

00:42:31.640 the illegal invasion.

00:42:34.960 They live in communities where their school libraries are riddled with pornographic books.

00:42:41.200 They live in communities where boys are allowed to play in girls' boards, 0.83

00:42:45.320 or were until Donald Trump came along.

00:42:48.260 And so those, those are very, those, those are the new bread and butter issues.

00:42:52.580 It's not, you know, it's not just economics anymore.

00:42:55.280 I mean, there is a cadre of former liberal middle-aged women like myself who have turned

00:43:01.480 against the Democratic Party forevermore because of those very issues.

00:43:04.940 The boys and girls sports, the boys and girls changing rooms, the men and women's prisons,

00:43:09.560 and all of that.

00:43:11.440 So, you know, whilst, again, the church hierarchy like swans around in their new, in their fancy

00:43:18.720 New York events and rubs shoulders with the not great and not good, you know, real people

00:43:25.900 have a much better sense of what needs to be done and who is the only man to do it, which

00:43:33.000 is Trump.

00:43:33.480 You mentioned the background dynamic here, which is something that we mention on the

00:43:40.700 wall all the time, and that is the need for, an existential need for the laity to take the

00:43:50.700 reins of the leadership of the Catholic Church from the bishops and the cardinals who have

00:43:56.500 only demonstrated in 60 or so years their capacity, their near-endless capacity to run the church

00:44:03.420 into the ground.

00:44:06.000 And one of the interesting, I think, to see how these currents start to converge, one of

00:44:12.300 the interesting developments on that is going to take place, I think, on the 1st of July,

00:44:16.420 when the Society of Pope St. Pius X, the SSPX, known colloquially as the Lefebvreists after

00:44:24.600 the Archbishop Lefebvre, who founded the Society, they're going to be consecrating new bishops.

00:44:31.260 How the Vatican reacts to that is going to be important, but it could massively give the

00:44:36.500 opportunity, I think, the spiritual oversight that that's going to widen will give a massive

00:44:42.600 opportunity for the laity to hold the institutional hierarchy to account, because they then will

00:44:51.200 have an alternative to go to.

00:44:53.300 Stand by, folks, we're back with Jenny on some interesting news coming hot out of Italy,

00:45:00.180 the apotheosis of Georgia Maloney.

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00:45:57.680 Okay, Jenny, so, now, people who follow me on Guetta will know I'm not the greatest fan

00:46:04.640 of Georgia Maloney.

00:46:06.660 There has been a huge hoo-ha right across the Italian peninsula because a church in Rome, 1.00

00:46:14.920 San Lorenzo in Luciano, if I'm not mistaken.

00:46:17.840 I know the church.

00:46:18.540 I have been into it.

00:46:19.320 A church in Rome, a sacristan, in touching up one of the frescoes, touched up an angel

00:46:30.080 which looks suspiciously like the prime minister, the Italian prime minister.

00:46:35.760 Let's have a look at the, we've got some video footage of this that will play in the background.

00:46:42.060 Jenny, you're following this.

00:46:43.060 I know you folks might not realize, but you also have, you also have a home here in Italy.

00:46:48.820 You spend a lot of time out here and you follow very closely Italian news.

00:46:52.880 This was a big story.

00:46:55.780 Tell me more about what happened.

00:46:58.380 Yeah, so there was some water damage, I believe, to this church, which was originally built in

00:47:03.180 the fourth century.

00:47:04.480 It's just right near the city center of Rome.

00:47:08.440 And it's sort of a mystery.

00:47:11.340 There was a bit of an equivocation as to who did it.

00:47:15.880 But yes, this elderly gentleman came in to sort of touch up from the water damage.

00:47:21.680 And a short time after this, it was noticed that the angel that was repainted was strikingly

00:47:30.840 similar to Georgia Maloney, the Italian prime minister.

00:47:34.240 And he kind of demurred when he said whether he did it or not.

00:47:37.680 And it attracted a lot of new visitors, which then ended up irritating the priest because

00:47:46.680 he said they came for selfies and not to pray, which, you know, fair enough, I suppose. 1.00

00:47:52.000 But yeah, I mean, it's pretty, I mean, it definitely seems like her.

00:47:56.100 I don't see how this could have been an accident or some sort of an accidental or coincidental

00:48:03.020 matter.

00:48:04.680 Look at the look at the similarities.

00:48:06.480 I mean, there's no doubt.

00:48:09.600 Yeah, there's no doubt.

00:48:11.200 I mean, it's definitely her.

00:48:13.320 It's definitely her.

00:48:14.580 The funny thing is that, Ben, this is one of the one thing, a rare occasion where we disagree.

00:48:19.000 I am actually a big Georgia Maloney fan, and I will explain why.

00:48:24.340 I know that she has been very much, she's been a bit squishy on the old populist meat and

00:48:31.940 potato issues.

00:48:34.240 But, and I will concede that point.

00:48:37.380 However, as a cultural figure, she is a once in a generation talent.

00:48:43.080 She is very witty.

00:48:44.900 She is very quick on her feet.

00:48:46.180 She's very sort of sassy, even biting. 0.99

00:48:49.300 She loves to put Macron in his place, which, I mean, for that alone, I will forgive her

00:48:54.160 almost anything.

00:48:56.100 And she's managed to stay, sorry, my dog has just joined me.

00:48:59.440 She has managed to stay in power for several years now, which, you know, when I was growing

00:49:05.060 up in Italy in the 1980s, it's unheard of, basically.

00:49:08.860 They change governments, you know, routinely several times a year is more often than some

00:49:13.680 people change their socks or their bedsheets.

00:49:16.940 So, yeah, I think she's really an interesting character.

00:49:20.200 I think that given Italy's infamously corrupt and internecine and kind of complicated layers 0.95

00:49:30.780 upon layers of power and bureaucracy and fiefdoms, I think she is something akin to a miracle

00:49:37.660 worker.

00:49:38.080 And she has improved to some degree, even from an outsider.

00:49:42.640 Don't look at me like that.

00:49:44.080 She's improved the reputation and perception of the nation.

00:49:49.580 And I'll give you a little tiny little data point on that.

00:49:52.440 Apparently, there's more millionaires and billionaires fleeing to Italy now from places like the UK

00:49:58.060 than are going to Dubai, because Italy seems like a safer bet than the UK, which I admit

00:50:03.460 is not saying very much.

00:50:04.880 But I really appreciate her, well, as we can say, Dubai.

00:50:08.780 No, no, no, I can't.

00:50:10.840 You're giving me the judge.

00:50:12.080 You're aggravating my acid reflux here, right, with all this.

00:50:15.960 By the way, it is true that Italy is economically competitive for investors, but that's not because

00:50:23.660 of anything that she has done.

00:50:25.120 She's just following through on Matteo Renzi's reforms of only like 10 years ago, who was a left

00:50:31.000 wing prime minister, by the way, she's actually watered down the incentives he gave in terms 1.00

00:50:38.000 of total tax contributions for billionaires to come in.

00:50:45.500 And of course, the UK government is making, Rachel Reeves, the Chancellor, is making an absolute

00:50:50.960 ham fist of it all.

00:50:53.080 Just in regards to that church and the mural, right, and here's the running theme of the

00:51:00.520 show.

00:51:01.220 People were going into that church who hadn't been into church for years to see it out of

00:51:05.780 curiosity.

00:51:06.880 Can't have people going into church, right?

00:51:09.780 Can't have people.

00:51:11.440 So the cardinal came out with a statement saying he's basically scandalized.

00:51:16.360 And the sacristan, it's like a sacristan, that was a genius, I think, a very talented

00:51:22.840 guy.

00:51:23.480 He just said, he said, I'm not putting up with this anymore.

00:51:25.440 And he whitewashed over it, destroyed it.

00:51:27.980 It's gone.

00:51:28.520 You can't see anymore.

00:51:29.960 That will stop people coming into church.

00:51:34.660 Good on you, Catholic Church. 0.93

00:51:35.820 And by the way, with all the hypocrisy they were talking about, you know, about you can't

00:51:40.760 have political figures or any devotional, Caravaggio, right, in the death of the Virgin, for the 0.85

00:51:48.180 Virgin Mary herself, based her depiction on a prostitute that he knew.

00:51:54.260 And that's one of the great works of Western art.

00:51:57.560 So Catholic Church, yet again, you have failed to rise to the occasion.

00:52:02.500 All right.

00:52:02.860 I wonder if they paid an appointment.

00:52:04.520 I wonder if they painted a portrait of Greta Thunberg, would they have left it up?

00:52:10.640 Of course.

00:52:11.600 Of course.

00:52:12.020 There's no doubt about it.

00:52:13.200 Very quickly, Jenny, where do people go on social media?

00:52:16.000 Your social media is on fire.

00:52:17.680 Where do people go to catch your analysis throughout the week?

00:52:21.480 So I put out one video essay a week and one interview a week on YouTube at Saving Culture

00:52:26.820 From Itself.

00:52:27.460 And all of my written work is on Substack at JennyEHolland.Substack.com.

00:52:32.620 My thanks, Jenny.

00:52:35.660 You've been a champion for this past hour.

00:52:37.660 My thanks to you.

00:52:38.740 My thanks to Will and Spencer in Denver at Real America's Voice.

00:52:42.840 And of course, to Cameron Wallace, our producer.

00:52:45.140 Steve will be back at 10 a.m. tomorrow.

00:52:47.700 And we'll be back on Wednesday of next week.

00:52:49.340 God bless.

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WarRoom Battleground EP 946： PEW REPORT： Catholics’ Support Of President Trump Has NOT Changed Significantly Over The Past Year

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