Bannon's War Room - February 25, 2026


WarRoom Battleground EP 956： SSPX episcopal consecrations — which are absolutely necessary — are smoking out all the “fake Trads”


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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.
00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 Mega Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.
00:00:48.000 Wednesday 25th of February.
00:00:57.000 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room for the usual weekly review of all the news and developments in Christendom.
00:01:08.000 And coming up on the show today, we have for you Pope Leo, Holy Pope Leo, the holiest man in the Catholic Church has ever produced,
00:01:19.000 has announced what his great fear is for the kingdom of Spain.
00:01:24.000 You'll want to stay tuned for that.
00:01:27.000 It's not what you might think it will be.
00:01:29.000 Or it is.
00:01:30.000 It depends on how much attention you've been paying watching the War Room.
00:01:35.000 We also have the news and developments of the Vatican's agitation for the Third World illegal invasion taking place in Europe and America.
00:01:51.000 And we also have news of the US bishops trying to intervene on the President's State of the Union address,
00:02:06.000 which fortunately I don't think he paid too much attention to.
00:02:10.000 That's coming from the show.
00:02:12.000 Frank Walker, as always founder and editor in chief of Canon 212, really the source for trad Catholics,
00:02:23.000 but not exclusively trad Catholics, Catholics generally, not exclusively Catholics, but also evangelicals as well.
00:02:31.000 But it is the, it is the Drudge Report for traditional Catholicism of that there is no doubt.
00:02:39.000 Frank Walker joins me this evening to help navigate the developments.
00:02:44.000 Frank, we're starting off with what I think is the big development right now in the Catholic Church.
00:02:51.000 And it's really an issue that hasn't gone away since 1988,
00:02:58.000 when Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops without the Vatican's approval
00:03:05.000 and, according to some, incurred automatic latte sententiae excommunication.
00:03:16.000 And when I say this has been an issue that's been bubbling for about 40 years, 38 years,
00:03:23.000 there is the unresolved question, which I don't think has really been resolved by the SSPX,
00:03:29.000 certainly hasn't been resolved by Rome.
00:03:32.000 And that is, of course, to whom is a faithful Catholic's primary obedience due?
00:03:41.000 Is it to Jesus Christ or is it to the hierarchy?
00:03:44.000 Now, normally 1,962 years, there was never much doubt over that,
00:03:49.000 because the two were the same.
00:03:52.000 Not anymore, not since the Second Vatican Council.
00:03:55.000 Hence, the drama of the present situation,
00:04:01.000 and hence, different Catholics' interpretations of how to navigate that.
00:04:07.000 Archbishop Lefebvre had his idea of what to do,
00:04:12.000 and that is, in order to safeguard the unchanging Catholic faith
00:04:19.000 handed down from Jesus Christ via the apostles to today, to the modern age,
00:04:26.000 in order to guarantee the coherence of that faith,
00:04:34.000 he took the step, as I was saying, of consecrating four bishops,
00:04:39.000 of which I think two died, leaving two.
00:04:43.000 And the Society, therefore, the Society of Pope Saint Pius X,
00:04:47.000 popularly known in English as DSSPX or the Lefebvreists,
00:04:51.000 have decided to proceed on July the 1st and consecrate,
00:04:55.000 I think it's five new bishops, to assist the work of the Society.
00:05:01.000 And Frank Walker, I hand over to you on this, right?
00:05:05.000 As I see it, this is really the crisis now for the church,
00:05:12.000 and for Trad Inc. to decide on which side they are going to come down.
00:05:17.000 Are they going to be loyal to the Pope, or are they going to be loyal to tradition?
00:05:26.000 And it's a great litmus test.
00:05:30.000 I think the Catholic Church really divides down into a very neat up or down vote on this one.
00:05:38.000 Are you going to support the SSPX or not? Yes or no?
00:05:42.000 And of course, Frank Walker, as you and I have long suspected,
00:05:52.000 a lot of the people who are lining down, lining up alongside loyalty to Rome,
00:06:02.000 are those entities that have been grifting off traditional Catholicism for years, if not decades.
00:06:13.000 And of course, now they are being smoked out.
00:06:16.000 Right now, let me start with asking you this question.
00:06:20.000 Right now, a number of Cardinals have come out.
00:06:23.000 Some of these degrade white hopes of traditional Catholics.
00:06:29.000 We always looked at the smoke signals, thinking that they were really on side.
00:06:34.000 Now, surely these guys, you know, the hints showing a little bit of ankle here,
00:06:38.000 a little bit of ankle there.
00:06:39.000 These guys are really sort of, they know where we're coming from.
00:06:42.000 And yet, here they are, Cardinal Serra and Cardinal Muller.
00:06:47.000 They've both come out and indicated that the SSPX should not proceed with these consecrations.
00:06:59.000 As I say, it's an up or down vote, this one, folks.
00:07:03.000 And the position that we've had on the war room is that Catholic laity cannot trust the bishops, the cardinals, the popes, the hierarchy in general.
00:07:16.000 And that in order to safeguard the faith and the coherence of the Catholic Church,
00:07:21.000 we need to take the running of this church into our own hands.
00:07:24.000 And people said, oh, come on, Hanwell.
00:07:26.000 Don't be so extreme.
00:07:28.000 There are some good cardinals.
00:07:30.000 Let me ask you this, Frank Walker.
00:07:32.000 Were you surprised that these two great luminaries who've been on the circuit,
00:07:37.000 celebrating, offering, saying a little TLM here and a little TLM there,
00:07:45.000 were you surprised that when push came to shove, they turned out to be company men?
00:07:52.000 No, no, I wasn't surprised at all.
00:07:56.000 Cardinal Mueller.
00:07:57.000 First, I want to say that when I started doing this work 17 years ago, I never thought of myself as a trad.
00:08:05.000 I just thought of myself as a Catholic.
00:08:07.000 But the regular media was sort of standoffish to people that went to the Latin mass.
00:08:16.000 But I thought these people should have a voice, too.
00:08:19.000 They say good things.
00:08:20.000 They're faithful.
00:08:21.000 And then other people started saying, well, Canon 212, that's a trad site.
00:08:26.000 That's traditional.
00:08:27.000 And they should follow it.
00:08:28.000 So I've always thought, and I'm sure you probably do, too.
00:08:32.000 And for your readers that aren't in the middle of this stuff, traditional, what they call traditional Catholicism,
00:08:39.000 I think it's kind of a smear because it's like we love tradition.
00:08:43.000 But really, we just love the Catholic faith.
00:08:45.000 And the Catholic faith is old and it's traditional.
00:08:49.000 It goes back to Christ a while.
00:08:51.000 So I would think, and it's even more prominent in what you're talking about here today, it's really just Catholic.
00:08:58.000 And so, yeah, and there are a lot of grifters and there are people who have taken positions against the traditional movement.
00:09:07.000 Cardinal Mueller was part of Benedict, was Benedict's head of doctrine, and Francis is for a while there, too.
00:09:14.000 And he was involved in the SSPX and their relationship with the church and demanding that they have a doctrinal fealty, that they convey it and they confirm it to Vatican II when nobody else is required to do that about Vatican II.
00:09:33.000 It's not doctrinal.
00:09:34.000 It doesn't make doctrinal statements.
00:09:36.000 There are un-Catholic things in there, in their opinion.
00:09:40.000 So I'm not surprised that Cardinal Mueller has come back to hit them again, just like he did, you know, 10 years ago or whenever.
00:09:47.000 And Cardinal Seurat has been very quiet, very, very quiet for, you know, ever since he was sort of let out of Francis's curia.
00:09:57.000 And all of a sudden he's out there again, he's saying that the SSPX are outside the boat now, and God would never require anybody to ever have to make that kind of choice before.
00:10:10.000 You're always absolutely right when you stay in the boat with Peter.
00:10:17.000 But, you know, Peter is supposed to be Catholic.
00:10:22.000 And the wonderful thing about all these, you know, I guess we talked about this before, that they're getting ready to consecrate a bishop.
00:10:29.000 You said five new bishops, but I didn't hear that number, five, but that would be great news.
00:10:33.000 They're getting ready to consecrate, and they're doing it so forcefully.
00:10:38.000 And the relationship between Kizzy Fernandez, the head of doctrine who is mediating this thing for Leo, and Father Paul Urani is so stark.
00:10:48.000 The difference between them, too, it's all very positive.
00:10:52.000 They've said, okay, well, we're under the gun of excommunication.
00:10:55.000 You've made that clear already.
00:10:57.000 We're not going to go, we're not going to dialogue with you anymore, because that's not really a dialogue, but that's just a threat.
00:11:04.000 And we're going to go ahead anyway.
00:11:06.000 This time around, there's a lot more power, because people realize that Leo and Francis and their apparatus is not Catholic.
00:11:16.000 There's a big difference.
00:11:18.000 So, so much.
00:11:19.000 Firstly, I have to say, when I'm sort of preparing for the show, I sort of go through a huge number of articles, both in English and Italian.
00:11:30.000 I'm talking to sources as well in both languages.
00:11:33.000 Sometimes, for that reason, I have a particular problem of having in print in my head, numerical facts.
00:11:40.000 It's just difficult.
00:11:41.000 I thought it was five.
00:11:42.000 I don't want to say that.
00:11:43.000 That's absolutely certain.
00:11:44.000 I do think it's five, but I, you know, it's all a bit of, in my head, it's, I think it was five, but I can't swear on it.
00:11:53.000 I don't know.
00:11:54.000 But you're right when you highlight the curiosity of these Vatican II freaks, of which Mueller certainly is one, because he's a disciple, of course, of Cardinal Rapsinger stroke Pope Benedict, who was the supreme Vatican II freak, which is why I've never considered him to be a traditionalist, not remotely.
00:12:23.000 And of course, it's important.
00:12:24.000 And of course, it's important to say that the traditional movement goes way beyond the Latin mass.
00:12:32.000 The Latin mass is important.
00:12:33.000 Possibly it's totemic in its importance, but the traditional movement transcends simply the TLM.
00:12:42.000 And what I mean by that is I think people have been confused by one or two pilots saying the TLM and the traditional Latin mass and assuming, oh, these guys are part of our movement.
00:12:55.000 They're one of us, when they're not remotely, they are, and down to the last, enthusiastic about Vatican II, which is the key point of rupture.
00:13:08.000 And you say something else about how they are, and we are hearing this messaging, right, how this is a rupture that will wound the church and its lack of disobedience.
00:13:23.200 And it's sort of crypto extra ecclesial stuff, right?
00:13:28.200 Ironically, ironically, ironically, they wheel out the, there is no salvation outside the church for the Lefebrists, right?
00:13:36.000 To the Lefebrists and the Lefebrists alone, it's extra ecclesial nulla salus.
00:13:41.060 For everybody else, for the Anglicans, for the Orthodox, right?
00:13:45.720 For the evangelicals, when they have all these big meetings, when they all do the air kisses on the cheek and smilingly patting one another on the shoulders and saying how much, you know, what we have in common is far greater than what divides us and all the rest of their unreadable drivel.
00:14:06.000 And those guys get a free pass, right?
00:14:10.840 It's likely that the redshift in the expanding universe, the further you away are from the Catholic faith, the more of a free pass you get.
00:14:20.880 Well, Chinese communists, Chinese communists can make all the bits of the same one.
00:14:26.300 The Chinese, yes, of course, the CCP, right?
00:14:28.420 The further you are away from the unchanging Catholic faith, the more of a free pass you get.
00:14:36.380 The closer you are, the closer you get reminded of extra ecclesia, which is one of the great ironies.
00:14:43.160 And, of course, probably one of the reasons for this, Frank Walker, is that these people aren't interested.
00:14:48.420 They're not really interested in unity.
00:14:50.880 That's the issue they're actually talking about.
00:14:52.920 Unity that is around the unchanging Catholic faith.
00:14:58.880 What they are interested in is power and political power dressed up with the veneer of Catholic formation.
00:15:08.420 I call it sort of a Nazi unity, a unity of force, a unity of fear, of compulsion.
00:15:15.300 That's not Christian.
00:15:17.040 That's not Catholic.
00:15:18.560 Catholic is a unity of faith.
00:15:20.400 And the SSP, Father Pagliarani made that clear to Kissy Fernandez that, you know, we don't have some lower limit of being a member of the church.
00:15:32.560 The limit has always been the same.
00:15:34.380 It's the Catholic faith.
00:15:35.500 You know, John Henry Weston of LifeSite News, which this program made a great effort to defend when he was trying to be overturned by his board and lost his position.
00:15:46.520 He made a great defense the other day of the SSPX against Cardinal Seurat.
00:15:51.780 He said, Cardinal Seurat, where have you come from?
00:15:54.220 Have you come from out from under a rock?
00:15:56.060 You're talking about obedience.
00:15:58.200 Where's your obedience to Leo's church?
00:16:00.880 Are you obedience to all the gay blessings that are now being enforced?
00:16:06.060 Are you obedient to the fact that they say that capital punishment is not permissible in the church anymore when all the Catholic doctors of the church have said otherwise?
00:16:20.380 Are you obedient to the fact that the Latin Mass has no place is being suppressed?
00:16:28.560 Are you obedient to sacrilegious communion by people who are living unrepentantly in mortal sin and refuse to be in spiritual union in order to go to Holy Communion?
00:16:41.020 These things are all anti-Catholic.
00:16:43.440 And in order to be obedient to the Pope, you have to follow them now.
00:16:51.240 Our God is not arbitrary.
00:16:53.760 It's not Islam.
00:16:55.140 It's based on timeless laws that come from God himself who will never change.
00:17:03.360 And it's something very inhuman to try to compel us to believe things that are neither true nor required by our faith simply because somehow by obedience, a false obedience against God himself.
00:17:18.560 So that's what this is all about now.
00:17:22.080 And to see people making like West and making a great defense, you know, Chris Jackson reminds us that the virgin birth is not really quite held as a point of faith by Cardinal Mueller.
00:17:36.180 Cardinal Mueller is a liberation theologist.
00:17:39.360 And Cardinal Mueller cast doubt on transubstantiation, which is what actually happens in Holy Communion at the center of the Mass when the host is lifted up.
00:17:49.500 He doesn't really believe these things.
00:17:52.380 So the SSBX has stood on Catholic faith, and they stood to the point of having to disobey when it's broken.
00:18:02.200 And they've given a way for other Catholics, a space for other Catholics to do the same thing.
00:18:08.260 And like you say, Ben, in this day and age, when we have popes that are trying to enforce anti-Catholic and evil teachings on all the bishops and everyone in the church who are more about politics and bad politics at that,
00:18:21.480 we have to stand up for the faith of Christ because of God himself and pray to make the church better.
00:18:29.440 And it takes these fighting people like the SSBX are making it so possible.
00:18:34.020 And now powerful media Catholics like LifeSite News is terrific.
00:18:40.380 I know.
00:18:41.040 It's our obligation to stand up and defend to whatever possibility we can in the situation of our personal lives that God has put us in,
00:18:53.680 to stand up and make the strongest possible commitment to the unchanging Catholic faith.
00:18:58.180 The SSPX is not perfect.
00:19:01.420 It is not a perfect vehicle.
00:19:03.640 But right now, it is definitely on the side of the angels.
00:19:07.160 Before we go to a quick shout out to one of our sponsors, why don't we leave the last word on this subject,
00:19:14.720 to which we will return, Frank Walker, to Cardinal Muller?
00:19:19.780 Because here's a Freudian slip for you.
00:19:24.480 This is what he says.
00:19:25.580 If the Society of St. Pius X is to have a positive impact on church history,
00:19:32.340 it cannot fight for the true faith from a distance, from the outside, against the church united with the Pope.
00:19:40.440 Well, look, homing on with that, he says, he's actually recognizing there, despite himself,
00:19:45.860 because as I say, this guy is not a Roman Catholic.
00:19:48.280 He's not a traditional Catholic.
00:19:49.680 He's a concilia Catholic, absolutely formed, militantly formed, radically formed in the precepts of the anti-Catholic so-called Second Vatican Council.
00:20:00.640 But here he is.
00:20:01.800 He's referring to what the SSPX is doing.
00:20:04.920 It's fighting for the true faith.
00:20:06.720 That was a slip up.
00:20:07.620 I'm sure he didn't intend.
00:20:08.780 But he certainly, he certainly, actually, excuse me?
00:20:14.940 It's confusing to be him.
00:20:16.540 It's a tricky job.
00:20:19.320 Yeah.
00:20:20.240 Yeah, I wouldn't like to be him.
00:20:23.100 Okay.
00:20:23.680 So look, we'll return to this theme.
00:20:26.060 Frank, stand by.
00:20:26.640 We're back with you in two minutes.
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00:22:07.500 Back to Frank Walker.
00:22:10.620 I see then, Frank, that Leo, Pope Leo, his holiness, his most very holiness,
00:22:19.000 his exceedingly holiness, has indicated what his great, and I quote,
00:22:27.100 his greatest concern in Spain is,
00:22:31.180 Tell me, and perhaps we'll continue this theme after the break.
00:22:37.960 Now, when I saw that he was talking about his greatest concern in Spain,
00:22:40.980 I'll tell you what mine is.
00:22:42.280 I was wondering whether we had perhaps he and I overlapped on our preoccupations.
00:22:47.920 My great concern right now is the socialist government ramming through the regularization of 500,000 illegals,
00:22:55.980 invaders, and giving them residency permits with which they will then be able to dissipate right across the European Union,
00:23:06.900 creating havoc and a crime wave of sexual and violent crime against women and children,
00:23:15.200 which is what we've seen from the million or so invaders that Angela Merkel brought in.
00:23:21.060 That's my greatest concern right now, what's happening in Spain.
00:23:25.340 The socialist government's ramming that through by royal decree because it doesn't have the votes in parliament to do it.
00:23:32.800 Tell me, because you're very up on this story, and hat tip to Chris Jackson,
00:23:37.620 whom you mentioned earlier, who has got an unbelievably fantastic analysis.
00:23:42.640 He's very good anyway, right?
00:23:44.140 But his synthesis this time, it's just one smash quote after another, boom, boom, boom.
00:23:52.380 You've got the background on this.
00:23:55.020 You've got three minutes, Frank, before we go to the break.
00:23:57.400 Tell me, is Leo the left, is his greatest concern in Spain the same as mine?
00:24:07.680 Well, yeah, because he's worried about people complaining about it.
00:24:12.140 He's worried about the people that don't like it, unhappy politics in Spain.
00:24:16.480 His main priority, this was leaked by some people, some bishops or people who were at this bishop's meeting in Spain,
00:24:22.440 that he really was worried about the extreme right instrumentalizing the Catholic faith,
00:24:27.980 as if there was nothing on—when they say extreme right, they really mean just—they mean the Catholics, is what they mean.
00:24:34.400 And that is very revealing, because that shows you what Leo is all about.
00:24:40.860 He's all about the politics.
00:24:42.660 His formula is, I'm going to make these terrible bishops, and we're going to exploit them for politics.
00:24:48.440 The synods are going to make sure that the doctrine gets destroyed.
00:24:51.800 Meanwhile, my job is the Pied Piper of politics.
00:24:54.620 I've done it against Trump, and I'm worried about it in Spain, where they just dotted line, a half a million illegals,
00:25:01.440 and they have millions more in the works from what I've read.
00:25:04.920 And Chris Jackson has quotes in here that are just fantastic.
00:25:09.360 Like, the post-conciliar Vatican doesn't merely comment on politics.
00:25:13.300 It thinks in political categories first, and then retrofits religion around them.
00:25:19.540 That's beautiful.
00:25:20.680 That's exactly what they do.
00:25:22.660 Since they're not Catholic, they're all about politics first, and then retrofitting religion around them.
00:25:27.960 That's timeless.
00:25:28.880 That's not just this one article.
00:25:30.360 It is.
00:25:31.460 It's perfect.
00:25:32.600 It's too good for a sub-stack article.
00:25:36.080 That is absolutely the paradigm of what's going on in the post-conciliar church.
00:25:40.960 Here's another extract.
00:25:42.980 Every scandal and appointment becomes predictable.
00:25:45.840 Every surprising papal emphasis turns out to be the same emphasis.
00:25:51.880 Align with the reigning ideological consensus, then call it gospel.
00:25:56.720 Spot on, Chris Jackson.
00:25:58.720 Spot on.
00:25:59.640 And both of those—
00:26:00.260 That's Leo's church.
00:26:02.720 That's Leo's church, which is not the church of Jesus Christ.
00:26:05.860 Both of those quotes, by the way, you will see right in the center of the highlighted articles for the day on canon212.com, folks, which I very strongly recommend you just check out to find out what's going on.
00:26:22.580 So just quickly before we go to this break, Frank Walker, yes or no, I've got this right then.
00:26:28.700 So lefty Leo's great preoccupation, his great concern for Spain isn't the admitting of half a million invaders to dissipate across the European Union.
00:26:40.120 His great concern is what he calls the far right.
00:26:43.180 That's his concern.
00:26:44.620 Which are the pro-Catholics against the gay agenda.
00:26:48.280 They're about border control.
00:26:50.080 They're the Catholics.
00:26:51.060 Those are the ones that he really is worried about.
00:26:53.020 The ones that are most serious about defending the Christian faith.
00:26:58.780 Frank Walker, stand by back in two minutes.
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00:32:25.420 Honnold here at the helm with Frank Walker.
00:32:29.440 Folks, if your pulse isn't accelerating and your blood pressure rocketing after the first
00:32:38.620 half of the show, you certainly will be now, as we dig in, to just how radical the institution
00:32:50.880 of the Catholic Church is in sponsoring the invasion, the Third World illegal invasion across the West.
00:32:59.060 So Cardinal Fabio Baggio, the Undersecretary of the Vatican's Dicastery for Promoting Integral Human Development.
00:33:13.380 And if the title doesn't tell you this guy is going to be an enemy with a capital A, I have
00:33:23.560 no idea what he's going to give you those vibes, has come out and spoken against basically our
00:33:36.240 side of the political spectrum, pushing what he calls a negative narrative, a negative narrative
00:33:42.620 about the church's migration work.
00:33:48.440 And he points out something that I think really, Steve Bannon was the most prominent Catholic
00:33:55.400 to hit this about 10 years ago, and to say this publicly.
00:34:01.360 And when he said that, I don't think, I mean, people have perhaps been murmuring it, murmuring
00:34:07.000 it, whispering it, but he actually said it on the record.
00:34:10.000 And he said, the whole reason the Catholic Church, the institutional Catholic Church is
00:34:14.380 pushing the immigration crisis, because we didn't call it an invasion in those days.
00:34:21.860 The whole reason they're pushing the immigration crisis is because they're grifting money out
00:34:26.380 of it, hundreds of millions.
00:34:27.800 And he named the US Catholic Church specifically with that regard.
00:34:33.040 And they all sort of put their hands up and said, no, no, it's absolutely outrageous.
00:34:36.480 And of course, we now we know we've now seen the figures, thanks to the Trump administration.
00:34:40.000 And it is hundreds of millions.
00:34:42.740 But this guy's come out and tried to counter that, accepts that that's the argument that
00:34:47.680 we're making now, because before they even refused to acknowledge that we made that argument.
00:34:53.760 Tell me a bit, there's a write-up on this in the National Catholic Distorter.
00:34:59.400 Tell me a bit then about what Cardinal Badger has said and what the effect of this is intended
00:35:06.300 to be.
00:35:07.400 Well, I remember that he said, I'm a historian, and I'm worried about discrimination, and I'm
00:35:19.560 worried against migrants, and I'm worried about people using the wrong language against
00:35:25.520 migrants.
00:35:26.020 I remember that.
00:35:26.840 He, you know, he gave—he is coming over here from the Vatican and worried about our
00:35:33.720 policy on migration.
00:35:37.160 You know, J.D. Vance, in the last article we just looked at, J.D. Vance publicly invited
00:35:43.960 Leo to the 250th anniversary of the United States, and he decided instead to go to Lampedusa
00:35:48.440 Isle, which is like, become sort of like a trash heap on the way to Italy and make a statement
00:35:54.440 like Francis did about illegal migrants.
00:35:56.240 So that's why Fabio Baggio is over here giving us lessons on how to, you know, use the right
00:36:03.480 language and not discriminate against illegals and all of the phony baloney moralizing that
00:36:09.360 comes along with it.
00:36:10.300 Well, you know, you're absolutely right, okay, and it's true that in this debate, I would
00:36:17.360 admit it, people are using the wrong language when they're talking about this crisis.
00:36:22.220 They're using the words immigration, when they should be calling it an invasion, right?
00:36:27.320 That is the correct language.
00:36:28.980 That's what Fabio does.
00:36:31.500 It's that negative narrative that's going on about.
00:36:34.540 You're having a negative narrative.
00:36:36.360 That thing needs to stop because of Jesus.
00:36:38.140 Yeah, that's because Jesus, that's right.
00:36:41.760 That's the argument.
00:36:43.280 He says that, his eminence says that migrants present in countries in irregular situations.
00:36:53.100 He says that they are children of God and persons knocking at the door of charity from our communities
00:36:58.660 who we must not be discriminated against.
00:37:04.200 Well, it's true that invaders are children of God.
00:37:09.720 That's true.
00:37:10.920 But they're children of God when they remain in their own countries.
00:37:14.080 They don't have to illegally invade on dinghies, another country, to break into another country,
00:37:22.380 to get the children of God ontology.
00:37:26.980 They have that anyway.
00:37:27.960 And they continue to have that when they're forcibly repatriated back to their home countries.
00:37:34.020 That children of God thing is always with them.
00:37:37.040 So I don't know why they insist on mentioning that, because I think it's somewhat of a diversion, right?
00:37:43.900 Yeah, I mean, that's probably why all the Democrats wouldn't stand up in the State of the Union yesterday
00:37:49.160 when Trump asked them whether they thought protecting Americans was more important than protecting illegal aliens.
00:37:57.760 None of them would stand up, I suppose, because illegal aliens are children of God, too.
00:38:02.420 I think that they would agree with that.
00:38:03.900 I think the Democrats and the bishops agree completely on everything.
00:38:08.960 And they use that to make sure that people don't treat criminals with the way in a regular society,
00:38:15.800 in a just society, it has to be deemed because everybody's children of God.
00:38:18.940 Really, a child of God is a believing, faithful Christian in a state of grace.
00:38:24.040 That's really what a child of God is.
00:38:26.580 But we're all people, and God loves everyone, even illegals, as much as he does anybody else.
00:38:31.680 That's true. That's no excuse. It has nothing to do with it.
00:38:34.680 What he's doing, he's coming over here to grease the wheels for the bishops,
00:38:38.380 what they've done ahead of the State of the Union with their laundry list,
00:38:42.900 like you're getting ready to talk about now, of all the things they want to do to gum up the works, you know,
00:38:48.380 and make sure the whole deportation methods all stall out.
00:38:54.580 You're absolutely right, actually.
00:38:56.180 And I realize I've said something wrong, theologically wrong here.
00:39:01.720 Correct me if I'm wrong, Frank Walker, but according to the traditional Catholic theology,
00:39:07.020 we only become children of God on baptism, right?
00:39:10.580 Through Christ, yes.
00:39:12.940 So that's what makes us children of God in traditional Catholic theology.
00:39:17.880 So once you have a lot of Latin Americans coming into the United States in the American context,
00:39:24.780 and they're all going to be baptized in Europe, in continental Europe,
00:39:28.700 we're getting the Muslims coming across the Med from Africa.
00:39:32.920 I'm very, you know, they're Muslim, so they're not going to be baptized at all.
00:39:35.760 So even then, the designation children of God from a Catholic perspective would be inappropriate.
00:39:41.940 It would be theologically inappropriate.
00:39:43.600 What the Catholic Church ought to be doing, rather than acting as a humanitarian NGO in favor of mass displacement of peoples illegally trafficked from one country to another,
00:39:56.860 it might try preaching the gospel and, you know, go therefore to all nations, teaching all to observe everything.
00:40:05.600 Everything, yeah, exactly, baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
00:40:10.640 Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.
00:40:13.060 That, you know, they might always try, you know, as you said, their argument is pro-invasion because Jesus.
00:40:20.020 Well, they might actually want to look at Jesus' great commission that he left the church before ascending to heaven,
00:40:26.780 and following Thor on it.
00:40:28.180 Look, we have too much, I'm talking for too much, we've got too much to go through.
00:40:33.840 Quickly, if you will, as we try to get all of these stories shoehorned into the closing 10 minutes of the show,
00:40:43.340 quickly, if you will, just mention the 18 Catholic bishops and archbishops
00:40:48.360 that were agitating for President Trump to tone down his positions in the State of the Union.
00:40:58.560 And you were right about what you said before, Frank, the Democrat, the US Catholic bishops are the Democratic Party at prayer.
00:41:06.000 But tell me now, just quickly, about the flagrant disregard of the separation of church and politics
00:41:17.320 and their direct intervention seeking to change administration policy, President Trump's policy.
00:41:24.280 Making that into their religion.
00:41:26.400 These 18 border bishops have asked him to let them apply at the border for asylum.
00:41:31.940 Can you imagine what that would do?
00:41:33.080 They're saying that they need to have due process as if they were citizens, but they're getting due process.
00:41:40.460 They're defining that they're illegal aliens and then sending them back to the country where they're legal,
00:41:46.100 where they could have due process there.
00:41:48.460 You know, it's just, these things don't apply.
00:41:51.500 But if they were able to, if they did any of the things that the bishops want them to do,
00:41:55.980 it would stop the whole process because the bishops want to make their money off these illegals and have them in the United States.
00:42:05.320 It's a political thing that they need to get so that there's more people sitting down at the State of the Union than there are now.
00:42:11.220 There have to be more.
00:42:12.520 They want to also protect sensitive locations such as churches.
00:42:16.500 This is one that always gets me because all over the world, churches harbor what they would call refugees.
00:42:23.020 And there are many times the people that are the wrong side of a war because they're all about peace,
00:42:28.720 that the wrong side of the war becomes a refugee and they're harbored.
00:42:32.660 And then the government can't get to them.
00:42:34.720 These are criminals that cannot be reached because they're on church property.
00:42:38.480 And they want to make sure that they define it that way.
00:42:41.020 They say they want to have separation of families.
00:42:44.300 They want to have no enforcement on immigrants who are contributing to the common good.
00:42:50.940 Make sure they have reintegration programs, enforced facility standards.
00:42:55.760 They want to be able to let in whenever they want.
00:42:58.520 They don't want even the detention facilities to decide when they can come in or not.
00:43:03.700 And they have these radicals come in and they say that they're bringing the sacraments.
00:43:07.120 As if they cared when anybody gets the sacraments.
00:43:10.980 They shut down the whole planet during the virus.
00:43:15.720 They don't care who gets the sacraments.
00:43:17.340 They don't care who they have collapsing numbers.
00:43:19.420 They're selling off all the churches, preaching these evil politics that are completely unpopular.
00:43:23.960 No, they want to just, they say it's because of the sacraments that we don't have access.
00:43:28.100 They're just looking for a bunch of handles that they can pull.
00:43:31.240 A bunch of places that they can hammer at the deportation program.
00:43:35.460 It's a completely political democrat process to gum up the entire works.
00:43:39.900 That's what the bishops are calling for.
00:43:43.060 What they are doing, Frank Walker, and you've got this absolutely a thousand percent correct,
00:43:49.260 is they're pushing a political agenda backed up with religious iconography.
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00:45:31.320 Well, Frank Walker, this is pretty much the end of the show.
00:45:33.880 And the last story that we have to cover, which I think is fascinating,
00:45:38.940 it's the Lenten retreat taking place in the Vatican now,
00:45:45.180 you know, based to Lefty Leo and all his cardinals.
00:45:51.980 And they've roped in Norwegian Cistercian Bishop Erik of Varden
00:45:57.920 to conduct the Lenten spiritual exercises for the Roman Curia.
00:46:07.580 Now, Bergoglio might be dead,
00:46:11.360 but his asinine brain-dead platitudes live on.
00:46:17.760 And the core message of Bishop Varden,
00:46:22.160 which would have been a great opportunity to reinforce the brethren,
00:46:27.900 to reinforce the faith in the brethren,
00:46:30.680 his core message, don't use the gospel as a weapon.
00:46:36.200 And in this, he says,
00:46:38.100 and this is why it's very interesting, Frank Walker,
00:46:41.220 to hear you synthesize the previous story.
00:46:44.220 He's talking about instrumentalizations of Christian language and signs
00:46:49.020 that should be challenged,
00:46:52.080 not just by one outrage,
00:46:55.100 but by teaching the terms of authentic spiritual warfare.
00:46:58.740 What he's talking about is he has in his mind's eye,
00:47:02.060 no doubt,
00:47:02.460 the images of people like Matteo Salvini
00:47:05.020 and other Italian politicians going out,
00:47:08.160 doing speeches, holding the rosary.
00:47:10.140 And this drives the Vatican absolutely crazy.
00:47:12.420 They say you shouldn't be pushing political narratives
00:47:14.820 backed up with religious imagery.
00:47:17.460 But Frank Walker, let me put this point to you.
00:47:20.200 That is exactly what the institutional Vatican is doing.
00:47:24.000 That is its meat and drink.
00:47:26.160 That is its shtick.
00:47:27.660 It's a humanitarian, atheistic,
00:47:30.680 communistic, environmentalistic NGO, right?
00:47:36.060 And it pushes a position
00:47:37.960 that not even 2% of the population would buy
00:47:41.160 if it weren't being pushed out
00:47:42.620 under the banner of the Catholic Church.
00:47:44.620 It legitimizes that radical position
00:47:47.700 with religious iconography
00:47:49.940 because it has bishops and popes and cardinals
00:47:53.700 and what have you pushing that agenda.
00:47:56.480 If they were just,
00:47:57.320 if they just push these things out,
00:47:59.480 dressed as laymen,
00:48:00.700 with laymen's names,
00:48:01.800 without religious titles,
00:48:03.100 no one would care less what they say, right?
00:48:05.740 So they are the ultimate example
00:48:08.740 of what they're going through,
00:48:10.360 the pretense of opposing.
00:48:15.240 They're taking the agency of a Christian,
00:48:19.320 making the gospel live in the world
00:48:23.040 by teaching it
00:48:24.240 and by showing people how to employ it,
00:48:27.340 even in politics.
00:48:28.800 They're taking that agency
00:48:29.920 and they're saying,
00:48:30.840 you know, that's just weaponizing.
00:48:33.280 That's just weaponizing.
00:48:34.440 That's instrumentalizing.
00:48:36.920 And so they can do it.
00:48:38.260 They can do it all they want
00:48:39.540 and it's not a weapon.
00:48:40.760 See, it's just holiness.
00:48:42.580 But if a Catholic does it,
00:48:45.160 then it's weaponizing.
00:48:46.860 This characterization,
00:48:48.940 we heard this at the National Catholic Reporter,
00:48:51.600 the liberal reporter,
00:48:52.400 going back 20 years forever.
00:48:54.900 You know, they've been doing this a long time.
00:48:56.620 These are talking points of liberals
00:48:58.960 and it just sounds really funny
00:49:00.820 when it's coming directly out of the church.
00:49:03.000 That's why they talk about peace so much.
00:49:05.480 And this Bishop Varden,
00:49:07.560 who they, you know,
00:49:08.780 they are kind of grooming him
00:49:10.200 as a conservative at the beginning.
00:49:12.060 He's just very flowery,
00:49:13.660 sort of impenetrable.
00:49:15.460 But yeah, he was going out about peace a lot.
00:49:17.800 The reason that Leo talks about peace all the time
00:49:20.700 and that Bishop Varden is doing the Leo speech
00:49:23.180 against weaponization and instrumentalization,
00:49:26.620 meaning, like he said to the bishops in Spain,
00:49:29.140 you know, we don't want them instrumentalizing.
00:49:31.780 We don't want them to have any agency.
00:49:33.680 That, when they say peace,
00:49:35.140 they mean pacifism.
00:49:36.560 They mean you can't have agency.
00:49:38.700 You can't have victory.
00:49:40.280 You can't win.
00:49:41.760 You can't fight.
00:49:43.400 That's what they want.
00:49:44.300 And so if Bishop Varden is going on about peace,
00:49:46.580 we must insist this now,
00:49:48.320 where the gospel is somehow deployed as a weapon.
00:49:52.780 Don't instrumentalize Christian language.
00:49:54.640 I see it all here because peace is not the promise of ease.
00:49:58.480 It's a condition for transformed society.
00:50:01.680 They go on about peace constantly.
00:50:03.960 It has to be everything that they say.
00:50:06.920 So it's a spiritual danger to have anger,
00:50:12.100 he says in this talk here.
00:50:14.220 Well, Thomas Aquinas has said,
00:50:16.160 if you have righteous anger and you fail to act on it,
00:50:19.300 it's a good inclination and that's a sin.
00:50:21.200 But in Leo's church and Bishop Varden's Lenten retreat,
00:50:26.900 anger is always wrong.
00:50:29.340 Anger is always a sin.
00:50:31.920 So, yeah, it's all one church.
00:50:35.300 It's all being treated the same way.
00:50:37.260 You know, even as they leave,
00:50:39.200 as the head of the German bishops leaves,
00:50:41.180 he's against populism.
00:50:42.620 He's against, which is Catholicism.
00:50:45.220 I mean, that's part of the populist effort,
00:50:47.600 the Catholic effort.
00:50:48.640 And also here he talks about how this great union between body and soul
00:50:54.940 and how, you know,
00:50:56.560 they're trying to teach us that the evil that is part of human nature
00:51:00.560 needs to be sort of embraced because of the oneness,
00:51:04.340 sort of like they want to do with the unity here.
00:51:06.220 And it's a lot of blathering in this thing.
00:51:09.000 But, you know, and then in one part here,
00:51:11.500 he says that these, like the legionnaires of Christ,
00:51:14.640 these really perverted orders,
00:51:17.020 maybe we just, you know, I don't know.
00:51:19.420 We can never catch them all.
00:51:20.900 It's very, just very give up on, on what's doing good.
00:51:24.080 We can't help it.
00:51:25.240 Maybe we should have screened better.
00:51:27.120 Maybe you shouldn't have a whole network of people that are just like this,
00:51:30.820 forming orders and being bishops all around the world.
00:51:33.900 That's exactly what you did.
00:51:35.420 It isn't human nature.
00:51:36.660 Well, Frank Walker, Bishop Farden called on believers to battle vice and harmful passions
00:51:46.100 with a straightforward yes, yes, and no, no.
00:51:49.920 To which I can only respond to him, to everything that he said, no, no.
00:51:54.600 Because anything else is of the devil.
00:51:57.600 Frank Walker, thanks very much for guiding us through as the irreplaceable and inimitable
00:52:03.980 Sherpa on all things Catholic over the past seven days.
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00:52:22.340 It's also at Rumble and at Gloria TV.
00:52:26.780 That's all we have time for.
00:52:28.960 My thanks very much, Frank Walker, for your input this evening.
00:52:31.900 To Kyle and his crack team at Real America's Voice in Denver.
00:52:37.280 And of course, to Cameron Wallace, the show's producer.
00:52:40.080 I'll be back next Wednesday because President Trump is in Texas on Friday.
00:52:45.360 And Steve will be with you at 10 a.m. tomorrow morning.
00:52:48.400 God bless you for now.
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