00:00:29.000I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.660Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.420If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.700War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:00:47.940friday 20th of march and no domini 2026 harnwell here at the helm on steve bannon's war room
00:01:03.160straight off with the show today cracking show by the way stoked folks you want to stay tuned
00:01:07.760for all of this um we have the president and co-founder of ordo uris which is um is a law
00:01:16.700organization combating lawfare in Poland. When I worked in the European Parliament,
00:01:22.560I remember that Ordo Joris was one of the great organizations combating the attempt of
00:01:29.900leftward anti-life judicial activism. I spoke at one of their conferences, and Jerzy Kwasniewski,
00:01:40.380as I say, president of Ordo Joris, co-founder, joins us today to help us navigate something
00:01:45.100that took place last week i believe it's incredibly important i've hardly seen it referred to
00:01:51.280in the news at all yes welcome on to the show i saw that carol navrotsky the president of poland
00:02:01.340vetoed um a government a piece of government legislation pushed by donald tusk and former um
00:02:11.040former eu stalwart uh great atlanticist as he claims to be um and this measure would have allowed
00:02:23.940poland to have access to some 48 billion euros worth of funding um but it was a loan
00:02:32.700over i think um 75 years and the consequence of that is that poland would have ended up paying
00:02:39.960the principle, as much an interest as the principle itself. So President Nawrowski,
00:02:48.000who's never claimed to be an Atlanticist, has always claimed to be a patriot, who's wanting
00:02:53.180to put Poland's interest first as president, exercised his presidential prerogative and
00:03:00.160vetoed the legislation. And I think that sets up perfectly the paradigm that I'd like to discuss
00:03:08.520with you today and this is the tension between the sovereign sovereign sovereignists the
00:03:14.820nationalists in the european union and those who build themselves as atlanticists tell us
00:03:23.020precisely the background of what president navrotsky did and why he did it and what are
00:03:28.920the implications of his vetoing donald tusk's legislation the prime minister's legislation
00:03:36.340Hello, Ben. It's good to be with you. Pleasure to be in war room. And, of course, this is part of the war that we are waging against the federalists and the centralists Marxists of Brussels.
00:03:53.060The part that was already foreseen a few years ago, when in November 2023, the European Parliament accepted a resolution on the huge constitutional reform of European Union.
00:04:07.260the resolution that has been not observed, not commented by many of the liberal media
00:04:16.380but in fact it has paved the way for the next steps in centralization of the whole European Union
00:04:23.380and taking over sovereignty of the member states
00:04:26.340and one of the 10 points of the sovereignty to be taken away from the nations was military spending
00:04:33.000And here we are, in 2026, a safe mechanism, regulation of the Council of Europe, named Instrument for Strengthening Europe's Security,
00:04:45.100Sicherheitsaktion fĂĽr Europa in German, a regulation that is presented as a best possible financial tool
00:04:57.280for funding military spending in member states.
00:05:01.720But in fact, it's a tool for enslavement of the nations and a tool for taking over military activity,
00:05:09.820military spending and military sovereignty of member states.
00:05:13.900The loan that was attributed to Poland is 44 billions of euros.
00:05:21.340It's a very important part of Polish defense budget.
00:05:28.780We need to underline that Poland has the third largest defense budget in Europe after Germany and France.
00:05:39.320But when it comes to the share in GDP, we are the first.
00:05:46.820So we are far above what Germany or France and other countries spend in European Union for defense.
00:05:54.700And by this regulation, European Commission aims to take control over military spending of Poland.
00:06:03.120Until now, Poland was investing its funds in its own production capacity with partners from United States and Korea, South Korea.
00:06:15.360And of course, with this new instrument, with the SAFE instrument, it will be the European Commission who will have the final say when it comes to military spending of Poland.
00:06:26.280The mechanism works as any other loan. Poland is attributed 44 billion euro. It has to be spent in four years. It's loan for 45 years. We'll have to give back three times more than we have received in those 45 years.
00:06:46.460But it is the European Commission who will accept the spending lists of the government.
00:06:52.940So, of course, it was an attack against Polish sovereignty.
00:06:56.320It was an attack against Polish defense system.
00:06:58.780And it was an attack against the Polish strategic alliance with the United States.
00:07:07.140I mentioned earlier in my introduction that Donald Tusk had served about 10 years ago as president of the European Council.
00:07:16.460Was he trying to leverage his EU credentials, do you think, as prime minister here, to force Poland into accepting this loan and ostensibly to be used on defense spending?
00:09:50.100of course Russia is a strategic opponent of Poland for centuries and of course we do calculate the
00:10:01.760Russian threat into every strategy defense strategy of Poland and of course under the NATO alliance
00:10:09.580it is not the most important threat today under NATO and as a loyal ally of NATO pact
00:10:19.940we are secure and of course we need to we need to prove our importance in the
00:10:27.860pact and that's why Poland is spending 5% of GDP for for armament and it is why
00:10:34.380Poland is attributing those those funds and this also very strategically picking
00:10:41.320its allies and investors from countries that are strategic to development of
00:10:47.300of Polish capacity of production and defense industry.
00:10:51.520And that all was undermined by the SAFE regulation,
00:10:57.400which aims to support development of mostly French and German military industry
00:11:05.020with the cost of Polish and other countries' budgets.
00:11:12.200And, of course, part of the safe regulated loan is also attributed to Ukraine without consent of the nations of Europe.
00:11:25.200Poland has already given up part of its tanks, part of its infrastructure, of its army to the Ukrainian ally, to the Ukrainian neighbour.
00:11:39.200And most of the people in Poland do not believe that it is the best solution now to accept loans from the European Union
00:11:47.620and to give this money, in an important part, to Mr. Zawanski.
00:11:54.700And, of course, the fundamental control of your strategic defence decisions as well.
00:12:01.360My final question to you, Jerzy Kovacniewski, on this point before we move on.
00:12:06.940A lot of the war in posse is particularly interested at the dynamic between the two patriotic blocs, the nationalist blocs in the European Parliament, the European Conservatives and Reformists, the ECR group, of which Georgia Maloney was the president until, I think she might still be, or at least until recently.
00:12:34.740And then, of course, you have the slightly larger group, the Patriots for Europe, which is Viktor Orban's grouping.
00:12:45.760There's a differing, I think the big difference is on the NATO question and the European defence issue.
00:12:54.940Given that President Navrotsky, as part of the Law and Justice Party, is within the European Conservatives and Reformists,
00:13:04.220Could you just give me 60 seconds and indicate to me whether the government, not the government, the president has been lobbied by his ECR group colleagues or affiliated colleagues in other national governments regarding his vetoing of this safe loan legislation?
00:13:28.320as far as you know it was mostly christian democrats so the
00:13:34.800epp that was lobbying in poland nevertheless it was ineffective because epp is an ally of
00:13:41.440donald tusk even though he is the most liberal uh woke uh prime minister poland has ever had
00:13:48.400he's member of the christian democrat party in the european parliament and the same time both
00:13:53.760conservative parties both patriotic sovereign parties in european conservation reformators
00:13:59.840and patriots for europe were very much supportive to the decision of president nawrowski especially
00:14:06.000here in poland as our conservative political scene is divided between those two parties as well
00:14:13.280and both of them supported very strongly decision to veto the regulation and the implementation
00:14:20.240act of the polish parliament and we need to underline that the government of donald tusk
00:14:25.920which is not following the police constitution and does not recognize even the authority of the
00:14:30.080polish constitutional tribunal decided to enter the loan and to accept the loan even though it
00:14:36.640is contrary to the veto of president nawrocki so of course this lobby of european allies of donald
00:14:42.560tusk is effective it is even more effective than the constitution itself even more effective than
00:14:49.040the constitutional act of vetoing the act of the parliament and the government already issued a
00:14:55.760decision that it will accept the loan even without statutory support even without consent of the
00:15:06.800president so against the constitution. Jerzy KwaĹľniewski please stand by I'll be back to you
00:15:13.920in two minutes now specifically about this incredible report that you've just published
00:15:18.320and the conference that you organize based on that.
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00:17:09.080this paper taking um taking back control from brussels the re-nationalization of the eu migration
00:17:17.940and its asylum policies and you had an incredible conference organized on this just last week tell
00:17:27.780us a bit about this this this i think it's a programmatic position paper tell us um about that
00:17:35.100And specifically, I want to draw the war room's attention to something that you put there on the back cover, that only 25 percent of rejected migrants ever leave the European Union, which is a horrific figure.
00:17:52.480I never realized it was as low as 25 percent.
00:17:55.520Tell us a bit about not only about your position paper here, but also about the conference last week.
00:18:01.680yes in fact we have published the report together with matias corbinus collegium from hungary
00:18:08.840and this is the second report that we jointly drafted the first one last year the great reset
00:18:15.280restoring member state sovereignty in the european union was also a success it was commented worldwide
00:18:20.880and and is part of political program of sovereign forces in european parliament now
00:18:26.700It was even again commented by Anne Appelbaum after our presentation in the Heritage Foundation in D.C.
00:18:33.860So the second report focuses on migration pact that is being implemented by the European Commission in Europe.
00:18:44.460And it aims to implement the so-called solidarity mechanism in migration, meaning that countries that accept without any limits illegals from Africa and Middle East, like Spain today or Germany before,
00:19:06.440will be entitled to transfer those unwanted illegals,
00:19:11.700not back home, but to Poland, Hungary or Finland.
00:19:16.740That's the brilliant idea of the bureaucrats of Brussels.
00:19:20.800The migration pact under the beautiful solidarity motto
00:19:25.020will be implemented this year and next year, 2027 January.
00:19:30.160First, trains packed with illegals will be sent to our country.
00:19:36.440And the pact itself is part of the larger crisis of European Union since 2012-14, since the beginning of the migration crisis and German policy of herzlich willkommen, German policy of welcoming everyone without limits who are migrating to Europe.
00:20:00.680Either they are through asylum seekers or just economic migrants or just criminals looking for better opportunities in our countries.
00:20:10.420And with this document, we file a motion to all European governments to take back control from Brussels.
00:20:21.020Under the European treaties, there is a general rule of subsidiarity, meaning that if national governments are good enough in providing national policies and effective policies in a single issue,
00:20:36.800then Brussels has nothing to say and the national governments should be leading this issue.
00:20:42.480In our best interest is to take back control over asylum and migration policies.
00:20:49.000We also show one good example of Denmark. Denmark has negotiated when it was accessing European Union waiver of common policy on migration and asalium.
00:21:01.560And Denmark is doing much better than other countries of Europe when it comes to migration and asalium, as it is, of course, not obligated to follow the Brussels lead.
00:21:16.220We propose some concrete measures that are in line with the European treaties, that are in line with the international public law.
00:21:28.040And of course, we also address the problem of judicial activism.
00:21:32.300We have two huge international courts in Europe.
00:21:35.520The European Court in Luxembourg, the EU Court, and the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.
00:21:42.120And both those courts work in cooperation in order to make it impossible to implement effective control over migration and asylum policies in our nation states.
00:21:55.680We are not entitled to relocate migrants back to their home countries.
00:22:01.500It is illegal, according to the decisions of the Strasbourg court.
00:22:06.200We are not entitled to build walls on our borders.
00:22:11.040So the walls built on the border of Poland,
00:22:15.560the walls that were in fences built by Hungarian government
00:22:19.400or Finnish governments are illegal from this point of view.
00:22:23.960And of course, with European Union taking more and more control
00:22:28.140over our sovereign policies, we need to strike back
00:23:03.120and fantastic conference out of that conference it emerged a figure again talking about bremen
00:23:09.040in germany uh 73 percent of crime suspects in bremen are non-german um now you you say that you
00:23:18.820want um some kind of coalition it's it's hate speech to to say so in germany yeah well you
00:23:25.840probably couldn't say you probably literally wouldn't be able to say that in germany um but
00:23:30.780In order to, as it were, take back these powers, repatriate these powers to the nation state from the European Union, a broad alliance is going to be necessary.
00:23:39.940Now, I realize that Ordo Joris is a bipartisan think tank, though you're obviously quite closely affiliated with the PIS, with law and justice,
00:23:52.540as is Matthias Corvinus Collegium, quite closely associated with Viktor Orban's Fidesz political movement,
00:24:03.760even though that, of course, is a non-political NGO.
00:24:08.820In talking about the sort of alliance that's going to be necessary in order to convince the European Commission
00:24:19.800to take these responsibilities back to the nation state level are we going to see more of these
00:24:25.100alliances coming back to the point i was mentioning earlier this is very much of a what you've done
00:24:29.840here very skillfully done is you brought together um on this issue the two as i was saying before
00:24:36.680the two nationalist wings in effectively via their political groupings via their affiliated think
00:24:42.720tanks in the european parliament you have the european conservatives and reformists and you
00:24:47.320have the Patriots for Europe, Maloney's faction and Orban's faction, really via their affiliated,
00:24:54.780associated, principal think tanks coming together on this issue. That is just the kind of alliance
00:25:01.660and unity that sort of our movements are looking for right across the European Union. And they're
00:25:07.220going to be necessary in order to take the commission on and win. Would you agree with that?
00:25:12.880Absolutely. That's the way we are also organizing our conferences on this report and on the previous report on the Great Recept of European Union in all capitals of European Union.
00:25:24.880We are trying to get on board all those members from the ECR and from the Patriots for Europe as well, especially the think tanks that form the back office of those political movements,
00:25:38.880movements but also the politi the politicians themselves in warsaw we had members from the
00:25:44.800polish parliament and the previous members of the european parliament from both forces
00:25:49.440and also advisors of president navrotsky who were speaking at the conference on migration nazarium
00:25:58.480jezi krasniewski that is sadly all we have time for on the war room with you this evening i want
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00:32:51.320I'm sure that relationship of trust helped you there navigate some of these more sensitive issues with him.
00:33:00.020One thing that came out of this interview, and I'd like to ask you about it now,
00:33:04.280is something that I mentioned myself in a speech in Sydney a couple of weeks ago.
00:33:10.560And that's this idea, and I'm very happy to see you mention this, that it's centre-right political groupings that really represents the threat to the people right now, to the ordinary working families.
00:33:25.540It's not the left-wing political parties, it's the centre-right political parties, because they're fundamentally presenting themselves to the people and to the electorate as the defenders of values, which they have no intention of defending whatsoever.
00:33:38.980However, you mentioned that pretty explicitly in your interview.
00:33:43.860Tell me more about how you arrived at that conclusion.
00:33:53.580I was myself for many years member of a center-right party, the Christian Democrats in Germany.
00:34:01.800And I came to this conclusion based on a long and, to be honest, very struggling past because I decided to become a member of the CDU because I considered myself to be a conservative and I stand for conservative values and principles.
00:34:22.100And over many years of trying, not only myself, but many other people, we could not actually form a majority to succeed Angela Merkel's term.
00:34:38.320So we had the hope and the expectation that the current chairman and chancellor of Germany, Friedrich Merz, would be the conservative hope after so many years of centrist center-left kind of policy.
00:34:52.100but this never happened and after realizing this um i exited the party so let me clarify why it is
00:35:00.100a threat arian arian stop if i wouldn't mind let me just um clarify this um so you basically stuck
00:35:08.120with the cdu right throughout merkel right right throughout her the end of her her chancellorship
00:35:14.560You stayed in the CDU all the way through when Frederick Mertz was sort of leading the opposition as CDU, and it was only after he became chancellor, if I got this right, that you realized the guy's basically politically fraudulent, and that's when you shifted your political affiliation to the AFD. Have I understood that correctly?
00:35:42.840Yeah, basically, that's right. And the reason is because when you entered the CDU during the period of Angela Merkel, you had the hope and also, you know, the expectations that actually the majority of the members, the backbone of the parties are actual conservatives.
00:36:03.800And one day we will be able to have a real conservative successor.
00:36:09.280And all this hope was kind of projected into Friedrich Merz.
00:36:14.520Friedrich Merz was the conservative candidate.
00:36:17.620You can find many interviews actually in the mainstream media
00:36:22.760warning about Friedrich Merz, portraying him as dangerously to right.
00:36:28.220And it turns out that he is not only not a real conservative, but exactly a continuation of Angela Merkel.
00:36:38.440And this is, you know, the moment where I think the last possible moment where a conservative can come to the conclusion that if he wants to stand for the principles, the CDU is not the right place for that, at least in Germany and at least right now.
00:36:55.480you know we had exactly the same situation here in italy a few years ago exactly the same situation
00:37:01.520you had georgia maloney who's being uh criticized as being basically neo-fascist and all this the
00:37:09.280hard line push on that um and of course the moment you know and there were of course some warnings
00:37:14.840saying actually this is this is no she's not she's going to be fraudulent she's going to pivot to the
00:37:20.060And as you said, that Friedrich Mertz was a continuation of the Olaf Scholz chancellorship from before him, exactly the same way Giorgio Maloney here in Italy is the continuation of the Draghi government.
00:37:36.520It's fascinating how the parallels between these two leaders.
00:38:19.980As, you know, a real conservative, you, in my opinion, must believe in the idea of a marketplace of in the principle of the marketplace of ideas.
00:38:30.120And, you know, we don't want to have a situation where you have only our opinion.
00:38:37.800So it is totally legitimate to have different political points of view.
00:38:43.600Therefore, the left parties who present themselves as left are not the problem because they are honest.
00:38:53.940They say what they want, illegal immigration or actually legalizing illegal immigration, bureaucracy, high taxes, all these policies are actually written in the party manifestos of left parties.
00:39:10.540And it is legitimate to have a party which stands for these principles.
00:39:14.240What is dangerous and what is actually the situation in Germany is that you have a party which is just labeling itself as conservative to the voter, but not fulfilling any of its promises.
00:39:32.960And this is now going on for actually my entire lifetime.
00:39:36.980so in particular with our history you know as germans germans are very hesitant to vote for a
00:39:46.100party which is openly right like the afd it's portraying itself as a real conservative and
00:39:52.440also right party and because many in particular you know people with reputation with bounce to
00:40:00.020you know, higher class banking industry, businesses, it is really hard to overcome
00:40:08.440this guilt associated to German history. And therefore, there is big hesitation to vote for
00:40:17.300the AFD. And the CDU is perfectly using that by promising this electorate to be the much better
00:40:26.140alternative you know the professional and the serious alternative to the afd we we maybe have
00:40:32.520similar goals but we you know we are professionals and we know how to do this political business
00:40:38.660and under this premise they are attracting votes and then they are totally neglecting the will
00:40:45.720so you have a parliamentary majority already in germany between the cdu and the afd in the german
00:40:54.420parliament but because of the firewall no real legislation is passed based on the actual will
00:41:03.720of the populace and the left the left party leader of course know that it will be a big scandal in
00:41:12.920the media and a backfire if the cdu even would consider speaking to the afd and therefore the
00:41:21.320situation is. Listen up, CDU, you have maybe 30 or 28 percent of the seats in the parliament, but
00:41:29.040you need to come with us left parties to get the necessary votes for legislation to pass.
00:41:36.140And therefore, we will dictate to you what the spirit of the legislation is. And this is the
00:41:43.920gridlock in which our society right now, unfortunately, is.
00:44:00.560and explain what the firewall is imposed.
00:44:04.720It's basically the cordon sanitaire principle,
00:44:08.740But just that the mainstream political parties are applying against the populist nationalist iterations across Europe.
00:44:17.160But just explain what that is in practice. What does it mean?
00:44:21.060Yeah, I think for the American audience, the best way to explain it is, you know, think back to the time where you had the Tea Party movement and the GOP.
00:44:31.660And now imagine the then leadership of the GOP being able to actually artificially exclude everybody who stood for the Tea Party from the party process.
00:44:44.440This is what essentially happened in Germany.
00:44:47.580It's not 100% the same because we don't have a majority voting system.
00:44:53.420The parties in Germany has a different role than in the US.
00:44:56.680But essentially, from a political, theoretical perspective, it would be that you have all the established media, the elite, the mainstream, being able to exclude the entire Tea Party movement from the GOP, so that the Tea Party movement would never have been able to fundamentally transform the Republican Party into what it became now.
00:45:25.940So all the people who are represented by the AfD were never able to become part of the democratic process of Germany because there is something called firewall, which means we will exclude every single representative from this spectrum.
00:45:51.040Even if he's elected to the parliament, we will not even speak with him.
00:45:57.640And, you know, I need to share this with you.
00:46:02.560Imagine if you have a business and your business is openly associated to the AFD.
00:46:09.620For instance, you are selling services to the AFD and there are instances,
00:46:17.400And I can prove that to you, that in Germany, banks cancel the relationship to a service and to a provider of services if the provider has relationships to the AFD.
00:46:31.960And so the firewall is not just a political concept, it is actually a spirit which is transforming German society and which has created circumstances so that, you know, you have people who have a public opinion and then you have people who have a private opinion.
00:46:56.580And the private opinion and the public opinion differs very often because people are often afraid to say, yeah, maybe the AFD is not wrong.
00:47:07.300Maybe I won't vote for them, but I think they are right.
00:47:09.560Even that could destroy not only your reputation, but, you know, your position in your job and your livelihood at the end of the day.
00:47:21.240We're coming up to the end of our allotted time.
00:47:24.320It's been fascinating to hear you analyze these issues.
00:47:28.480My last quick question to you is that I know it's your view that basically it was Angela Merkel's admittance of a million Syrians into Germany that created the AFD in its modern form.
00:47:44.080Your interview here with Hans-Georg Marsen really does talk about the difficulty of the German state
00:47:54.500and the lack of preparation for this absorption.
00:47:59.200One thing that came up in your interview was the state that Germany is going to be in in 30 years' time,
00:48:06.760whether it might still be considered to be a liberal democracy.
00:48:10.820And there's an interesting intuition that comes out of that interview on how democracies that become totalitarian survive under their democratic form.
00:48:22.060Would you just give me sort of 60 seconds on that and then we'll wrap up with your socials?
00:48:25.820Yes, of course. You know, basically what you can say is that the moment in 2015 when Angela Merkel let in all the immigrants into Germany and it was a unilateral decision by her government, it had no vote in the parliament, transformed not only the destiny of Germany, but also of Europe.
00:48:50.600You can argue that this decision contributed heavily to the Brexit vote in the UK.
00:48:56.660You can even argue that it had impact on the election in the US in 2016.
00:49:02.600And what happened with respect to Germany is actually the AFD, which you see today,
00:49:10.220which is in the polls the second largest party in Germany,
00:49:14.880this party was reborn after the immigration wave of 2015 because the party was already
00:49:23.360being in lower single digit numbers and then after this influx of immigrants against the
00:49:30.280will of a substantial part of the society many people saw only the hope in the AFD and
00:49:37.800if you make such a fundamental decision and the people organize themselves in an opposition
00:49:44.620party, and if you then deny those people their vote, not really their vote, but actually
00:49:53.000the effect of their vote, then maybe formally you have a democracy, but you lose the spirit
00:50:01.060which is also necessary to have a democracy, because democracy is, let me just cite this
00:50:08.740It's from Justice Antonin Scalia, and it was in the Senate Judiciary Committee.
00:50:14.620He was sitting next to then Justice Breyer, and he was explaining that when he comes to a law school in the U.S.,
00:50:23.600he says, what makes the American Constitution strong are not the civil rights.
00:50:31.360What makes the Constitution strong is separation of powers.
00:50:36.280Because if you see the constitution of the Soviet Republic, then you have much greater civil rights.
00:50:45.440But this is only a parchment guarantee.
00:50:48.100And adapting it to Germany, what is going on is we have a democratic process.
00:50:52.660But because of the handling of the AFD, this democratic process is partly a parchment guarantee.
00:51:00.100erin we'll pick up this theme uh get you back on the show i will pick up on this thing very
00:51:06.900quickly time is running out where do people go on social media to keep up with your writings
00:51:11.660and especially your article with dr hans georg marston which i do recommend all about the
00:51:18.520president of the federal office of the protection of the constitution who ended up being monitored
00:51:22.800by the agency he once ran for expressing views very similar to the ones you've been doing now
00:51:27.900on social media where do people go yeah so on social media you can find me on x arian dash
00:51:35.400germany and the article can be found on hungarian conservative which is a leading conservative
00:51:42.580publication which is managed by my friends from the danube institute here
00:51:49.220arian agashahi very grateful indeed thanks for coming on the show last 20 seconds of the show
00:51:56.240Don't forget to go to Birch Gold. Get your mobiles out. Text Bannon to 989898 for more details.
00:52:03.300That's the end of the show. Have a great weekend, folks.
00:52:05.680My thanks to Spencer at Real America's Voice over there in Denver, Colorado.
00:52:11.360And of course, to Victoria Santifranco, who put this show together.
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