Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 976： Co-star of film once banned in the UK for blasphemy reverses course and defends “Christian values”

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00:00:30.000 To every friend of Ireland in this room today, I just want to wish you a very happy St. Patrick's

00:00:50.480 a special day. It's a very great day.

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00:01:35.560 be saved war room here's your host stephen k ban

00:01:40.240 Carnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.

00:01:47.560 It's that spot in the week when we dive down into development in all things Christian.

00:01:52.400 Joined by our usual battleground guests, Jenny Holland and Joseph Robertson.

00:01:59.540 Good evening to you both. Thanks for joining us.

00:02:03.240 We had the cold open there of the festivities for St. Patrick's Day yesterday,

00:02:08.540 They primarily are being celebrated in the United States.

00:02:11.760 I don't know if they dye the colours, the rivers, green in Ireland.

00:02:14.680 I don't know if they have that devotion to St. Patrick.

00:02:20.600 Jenny, before we move forward with the show,

00:02:23.520 Jenny, seeing as that you live on the Emerald Isle,

00:02:28.360 even if in the British part rather than the Irish part,

00:02:34.140 tell us a bit, I thought this might be an opportunity,

00:02:36.700 Just to do a refresh on the life of St. Patrick, who he was when he lived, what he stood for, why he's remembered.

00:02:47.580 Tell us a bit. Obviously, people know St. Patrick's Day.

00:02:51.300 It's impossible, I think, to watch the news and not be aware of its annual passing.

00:02:55.780 But perhaps some of the details over who it is that we're celebrating might have been slightly forgotten in the rush to get a couple of Guinnesses in at the pub.

00:03:08.240 Tell us a bit about St. Patrick.

00:03:11.220 First of all, when was he active?

00:03:15.940 So, sorry, excuse me.

00:03:18.820 Well, he came along about 400 years after Christ, I believe.

00:03:22.480 And this will please you no end to stick it to the Irish. But he was not, in fact, Irish. He was actually a Briton. He was a Roman Briton who was kidnapped by Irish bandits and taken over across the Irish Sea to Ireland, where he toiled as a slave, a shepherd, but as a slave in status.

00:03:45.580 And he ended up in the north of Ireland, which is, you're correct, where I am in Ulster.

00:03:51.460 And he ended up in a particular part of Ulster, which I'm very familiar with as I lived there myself for several years.

00:03:59.300 And it's a very beautiful and mystical part of the world.

00:04:05.240 So as he gradually became, I think his family was identified as Christian, as we would say today, back in Britain.

00:04:14.860 And his religiosity grew as he was enduring the hardships of a life of a slave shepherd in the very, very cold and damp countryside of Ulster.

00:04:29.000 And he had the chance to escape eventually, but was called back to the same area, which is the eastern, the coast of County Down, which is the very eastern side of the north of Ireland.

00:04:43.660 And that is where he founded the church in Ireland.

00:04:49.500 That is where he is buried now.

00:04:52.660 He proceeded west a little bit to Armagh, which is the seat of the church, the Catholic church and the Church of Ireland, which is a little bit further west inland.

00:05:02.920 But County Down, and in particular Downpatrick and the sort of hills surrounding it, are truly magical.

00:05:09.880 And it's sort of funny because I was living there during COVID and that is where I, my own, the first green shoots of my interest in Christianity and Catholicism really took root.

00:05:24.040 And actually, it wasn't until today when I was reading up on this in preparation for the show that I put two and two together that I was living in the same neighborhood, essentially, as St. Patrick, as I was becoming very partial and very open to Catholicism in general.

00:05:43.240 So make that make of that what you will, Ben.

00:05:45.500 um spiritual spiritual um father to you then um is there much devotion in ulster in northern

00:05:54.340 ireland to saint patrick oh loads i mean yes i think it's funny because he i he must be the

00:06:02.480 most famous of all the saints i mean i think it's the only saint whose day is so widely marked

00:06:08.160 across the world um and you know you a cynic could say yeah it's because everyone likes to

00:06:13.260 get tanked on pints of guinness um but um you know it is something of a of a remarkable um testament

00:06:22.580 to his his achievement i mean of course because ireland uh pre patrick you know it was a pagan

00:06:31.660 society it was very ancient society full of myths and legends and fairy tales and there was always

00:06:37.060 a sort of spiritual, mystical aspect to Ireland.

00:06:40.700 But the way that Christianity took root here 0.74

00:06:44.160 was equally fervent and foundational.

00:06:49.720 And the fact that the Irish diaspora

00:06:51.480 stretched all across the world

00:06:52.920 and they all carried with them their devotion

00:06:56.620 to not just their religion, but to their homeland.

00:07:00.900 Yeah, I mean, it is something of a cultural festival now

00:07:05.640 more than a religious one.

00:07:07.060 Um, you'll see the parades here, both here in Belfast and in Dublin are much more focused

00:07:13.480 on folklore, um, and myth, um, and sort of puppetry and juggling and that sort of thing.

00:07:21.060 And, and less on this sort of traditional Catholic, um, ethos or even aesthetic.

00:07:29.340 Um, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's a national holiday here.

00:07:32.360 everyone's off um the schools are closed um and both in the north and the south um and it's yeah

00:07:40.600 it's a nice day it's a day for um celebration although yesterday i did go i am doing lent

00:07:45.900 myself and i did go to the local pub to uh have a non-alcoholic in us and uh just to you know

00:07:53.640 celebrate my my heritage and a a woman came into the pub i'm i'm in a part of belfast that is

00:07:58.880 Protestant Catholic mixed. It's an interface area. And a woman came in and was wearing an Irish flag

00:08:07.180 on her jacket. And the bouncer politely requested that she take it off and turn it inside out

00:08:13.580 because the crowd in the bar is not entirely attached to the trickler, shall we say. We'll

00:08:20.760 leave it at that. So these implications endure somewhat. But overall, yeah, it's a massive

00:08:28.720 celebration everyone loves to dress up in green um and go out and see the parades and have a couple

00:08:34.800 of pints i have to say here in italy um the day yesterday just passed everyone by without even a

00:08:42.900 ripple of course for the italian church there were no saints outside uh of there were no saints who

00:08:49.440 aren't italian basically as a catholic devotion basically has anyone who might have achieved

00:08:55.280 anything um whose non-italians quietly put off to the side joseph anything on saint patrick's day

00:09:01.040 in in sunny uk yesterday sunny well of course i think we've probably got a larger diaspora

00:09:08.120 population um perhaps than uh than even some of the major cities in ireland now uh so yes london

00:09:15.040 london have plenty of festivities they're not quite as big as they are in dublin but i'm sure

00:09:19.620 everyone was down the pub and uh making it a guinness rather than a foster's for once

00:09:24.500 um but on that topic of italian saints i do remember being on holiday in sicily last year

00:09:30.440 and being rudely awakened by cannons firing at 1am for the local saint so they do keep their

00:09:36.940 traditions far more alive than we do sure i mean any local saint that has no has no devotion even

00:09:45.540 outside of the parish will get fireworks um and cannon and the the the and the local band will

00:09:52.020 will be will be out in force and the local um mayor will be out in force and even in in a in a

00:09:57.460 in a mountain village of a hundred or so inhabitants you have national saints like saint

00:10:03.300 patrick however which sort of american islands will be and the uk will be remembering nothing

00:10:10.420 nothing here in Italy. So Saint Patrick the patron saint of Ireland born in

00:10:16.240 Scotland as Jenny was saying to Roman parents around 385 when he was a

00:10:20.920 teenager Saint Patrick was kidnapped by an Irish raiding party and taken to

00:10:25.480 Ireland as a slave and then he made his way back and studied for the priesthood 0.97

00:10:30.460 so he was Scottish and that's fine I think plenty of countries have patron

00:10:37.720 saints like saint george who wasn't of the nationality of of the of the country um i knew

00:10:44.240 of course so he was scottish i knew there was a reason i liked saint patrick the land of my

00:10:49.140 grandmother um jenny just stay with us just for quick one quick moment before we move over to 0.95

00:10:56.740 joseph tell us i noticed that there are some positive news uh which we do like to cover every

00:11:02.220 now and again coming out of the german church i hear that the number of catholics formally

00:11:08.560 disaffiliating from the church in germany has now fallen for the third year in a row

00:11:13.760 while the percentage of catholics attending mass has risen for the fourth consecutive year i know

00:11:21.220 this is something that the movements like in both ways that you follow and report to us every week

00:11:26.580 um on this anything here uh in the general developments that you want to flag up for us

00:11:32.940 yeah i mean i i think it's interesting that um the the german state taxes german citizens uh who are

00:11:44.320 um officially registered as members of the christian church so either the catholic church

00:11:51.940 or a Protestant denomination. And so this is why we have these striking numbers. So

00:11:57.780 in order to get out of paying the tax, which is, I think it was like eight or nine percent

00:12:04.820 of your income tax, not your income. So it could be several hundred euros a year. And to get out

00:12:11.700 of paying that, you have to formally go and get paperwork done and pay a small fee to renounce

00:12:19.700 your faith. And in 2022, 500,000 Germans formerly renounced their Catholic affiliation and that

00:12:31.380 they call them exits. They exited the church. I'm not aware of any other country that does 0.92

00:12:36.320 something like this. So these numbers are actually, to me, quite stark. And yes, exits,

00:12:41.760 the Catholic exits from this year or last year are down to 300,000, but that's still a lot of people.

00:12:48.320 and that, yes, there is a slight rise in the percentage of people attending mass.

00:12:55.360 But, you know, it might well be that sort of the last man standing is more committed and more fervent

00:13:03.100 than the sort of nominal Catholics who are saying, well, why am I paying this tax?

00:13:08.620 I never go to church and I don't care anymore.

00:13:11.520 Interestingly, I found that the statistics overall for the religious sort of affiliations in Germany

00:13:18.300 Catholics are down to 23 percent and Protestants 20 percent of the population.

00:13:23.240 The largest group is non-religious or non-affiliated at 40 to 50 percent and Muslims bringing up the rear at 7 percent.

00:13:30.480 Now, there were, I think it was, there's a German government study that says that 69% of the refugees, as they called them, entering into Germany from 2013 to 2019, 69% of them are Muslim.

00:13:48.440 And among the people who are the refugees, as the word they use, who are religious, they have a high level of religious belief.

00:14:00.680 I know that would indicate to me that the Muslim population of Germany may be more committed and more fervent, and that the Catholic population, while these numbers have gone down somewhat in terms of people leaving, are not all that reassuring to me. I personally don't see this as good news.

00:14:23.340 jenny i think you're absolutely right on that synthesis and there's a lot going on in germany

00:14:31.160 we're seeing the huge exits and i agree with your analysis that they're not really um commensurate

00:14:37.940 with the gains that the german church is making uh and i would speculate that those gains are

00:14:43.380 taking place in spite of the established institutional catholic church's best efforts

00:14:49.300 rather than because of anything that they're doing but the fight back is certainly taking place

00:14:53.220 it's taking place in the afd on the political level it's taking place as right across the west

00:14:57.660 um and it won't be your or or my age bracket either it'll be joseph's and age bracket which

00:15:05.640 is really doing the heavy lifting uh right across the world as um as this renewal movement that

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00:17:00.840 probably one of the most famous comedians in the Western world for his and his

00:17:08.280 colleagues assault on Christianity has made a somewhat surprising intervention.

00:17:15.420 Before we have Joseph Robertson break this down for us, let's hear and let's

00:17:21.420 remind ourselves of John Cleese and one of his many digs at established

00:17:27.100 Christianity.

00:17:29.780 I'm not the Messiah!

00:17:31.780 I'm not the Messiah!

00:17:33.780 I'm not the Messiah!

00:17:35.780 I say you are Lord, and I should know.

00:17:37.780 I've followed a few.

00:17:39.780 Hail, Messiah!

00:17:41.780 I'm not the Messiah!

00:17:43.780 Will you please listen?

00:17:45.780 I am not the Messiah, do you understand?

00:17:47.780 Honestly!

00:17:49.780 Only the true Messiah denies his divinity! 0.94

00:17:51.780 What?

00:17:53.780 What sort of justice does that give me?

00:17:55.780 All right, I am the Messiah! 0.53

00:17:57.780 the messiah he is he is the messiah now f*** off i knew that denver was going to edit that video 0.96

00:18:09.920 somewhat short at the end so joseph look just to put this i mean every everyone will americans 0.88

00:18:15.140 everyone will know who john cleese is as as a comedian uh part of the uh monty python's flying

00:18:21.740 circus made all these films or uh always putting a dig in at established christianity and now he's

00:18:28.980 made a somewhat surprising unexpected intervention reminding me somewhat of richard dawkins

00:18:35.100 you know the uk's most famous ideological atheist basically getting slightly sentimental about the

00:18:41.240 lack of christianity and what that would mean for the uk exactly what was his intervention

00:18:46.080 and what did he say? Well, I think the reality is that the so-called high church atheists of 0.56

00:18:55.240 Britain are beginning to realise that what might replace Christianity is a lot worse than where 1.00

00:19:02.460 they allowed their imagination to drift. I think they envisage some kind of humanistic paradise

00:19:07.480 where no one troubled themselves with organised religion. But what they're really starting to

00:19:12.200 find is that when Christianity is replaced, all of its morals go along with it. All of the strength 1.00

00:19:18.040 and bravery that created the West goes along with it. And of course, what will replace it is any

00:19:23.160 other dominant ideology that can take that power. It's not that we will have nothing, it's that we'll

00:19:30.280 have something else. And of course, the problem with Islam in its political form is that it is 1.00

00:19:37.460 a legal system. And so I think regardless of whether you are a Christian, a Jew, even a

00:19:45.940 moderate Muslim, you may look at political Islam in its fullest form in countries such as Iran

00:19:51.560 and other examples in the Middle East and say, well, do we really want this system of governance?

00:19:57.600 Because it's not just a religion, it's a system of governance. And even the most borderline

00:20:02.520 christian or indeed high church atheists uh will look at that and take stock particularly when it

00:20:08.240 comes to the treatment of women of minorities and say actually maybe what we have wasn't so bad 1.00

00:20:13.860 after all so this is pretty much uh a similar angle uh from in a different scenario look

00:20:20.620 looking at this from what jenny holland was saying earlier on in the show about the german

00:20:26.340 situation that christianity is is leaving the situation and islam is standing in the wings 0.99

00:20:33.060 ready to come in swoop down and because of course nature abhors a vacuum do you think

00:20:40.020 that liberals and progressives in the west give sufficient credit to the fact that they're very

00:20:47.060 liberal progressive tolerant secular philosophy didn't just emerge out of nowhere it was sort of

00:20:55.060 It grew and developed out of Christian and post-Christian philosophical thinking.

00:21:00.700 And if you kick away the supports of that, then the supports of liberal progressive tolerantism, as it were, collapse as well.

00:21:09.540 I think people like Richard Dawkins and John Cleese are coming to this conclusion probably a little too late.

00:21:19.020 Well, bleeding heart liberalism weaponizes the fundamental tenets of Christianity against itself.

00:21:24.560 And essentially what that means is that it tells you to go into all of the nice sounding principles of Christianity, such as love tolerance and, you know, the ability to turn the other cheek and all these other things and takes it so far to its extreme and unnatural conclusion as to allow anyone that is a dominating minority or undercurrent to essentially just hit you while you're down. 0.55

00:21:50.580 and what the liberals don't understand is that they're also being used for an agenda.

00:21:56.360 I write a lot about the similarity between the tenets of the Fabian society, a left-wing

00:22:03.440 gradualist movement that's dominated UK politics for about 140 years, and the Muslim Brotherhood

00:22:09.460 and of course these two societies have completely opposing goals. One is for the dominance of

00:22:15.940 political Islam. One is for the dominance of gradualist communism. But both have almost 0.97

00:22:20.820 identical manifestos if you replace the words communism and Islamism. And what liberals are

00:22:26.260 starting to wake up to is the fact that a more, let's call it a more dominant ideology, such as

00:22:33.920 a communist ideology or an Islamist ideology, will use the softest and weakest parts of a society to 0.93

00:22:40.540 work against itself. And that is why we're starting to see people who perhaps 15 years ago would have

00:22:45.700 consider themselves moderates or perhaps even left progressives starting to switch back to

00:22:49.940 center or center right because they realize that without some sort of pushback on their own part

00:22:54.580 they're going to be eaten alive and replaced by ideologues who genuinely believe in the plan that

00:23:00.500 they've laid out for not just decades but hundreds of years um and of course that's a subconscious

00:23:06.500 awakening at the moment but we're seeing even in the recent weeks i've seen certainly perhaps

00:23:11.860 it's only anecdotal, but more and more stories of murder, of sexual assault, of violence from

00:23:18.660 mainly illegal immigrants in this country. But I think it has ramped up in a way that perhaps

00:23:23.980 we were seeing in Germany a few years ago, and Germany, I think, got the brunt of it a lot quicker

00:23:28.380 than we did. But as these things happen and start to balloon, we're really going to see a lot of

00:23:35.960 so-called progressives or moderates who perhaps do deep down fundamentally care about some of

00:23:41.840 those core tenets of christianity but in a in a false kind of way starting to push back against

00:23:47.700 um you know the other side so the background of this then is susie hall who's the leader of the

00:23:57.760 conservative group on the london assembly put out a tweet where she said that we have to fight for

00:24:06.040 culture and remain a Christian country to which John Cleese who I think I think

00:24:12.640 its political affiliation for many decades has been towards the Liberal

00:24:16.660 Democrats though you might correct me if there's been any changes on that he

00:24:21.640 responded to her tweet saying that the UK has always been based at the deepest

00:24:27.220 level on Christian values regardless of dogma despite the many mistakes made by

00:24:32.560 churches for centuries British people have been influenced by Christ's

00:24:36.820 teaching if these values are replaced by Islamic ones this will not be Britain 1.00

00:24:42.740 anymore now as we started off with the with the scene from the life of Brian

00:24:48.040 which is I think that that was banned correct me if I'm wrong but in the life

00:24:51.700 of band one was banned for decades on British television because it was

00:24:57.560 considered to be so blasphemous. If John Cleese now, and he must be in his 80s now, makes this

00:25:04.660 intervention, I think it is clear that someone of the old school liberal progressive values

00:25:10.940 of which John Cleese and his fellow Pythons represent is very much now on the back foot. 0.99

00:25:18.400 Just give me 40 seconds before we head to the break, Joseph. What's been the response to John

00:25:24.880 pleases intervention here in the uk well i think um a lot of free speech advocates of course will

00:25:32.980 rally around them in saying this and one thing you've got to remember is that one of the sketches

00:25:36.640 that was so famous was the day in people's front and arguing over uh you know whether or not a man

00:25:44.240 can become a woman can become a man and of course while a lot of people might be left on this stuff

00:25:50.740 When it comes back to fundamental biology and basic truths,

00:25:54.280 all of which come from Christian biology,

00:25:57.620 they have, of course, held those opinions themselves for a long time.

00:26:01.060 So people are rallying around him, and hopefully it will be a change in the wind.

00:26:06.200 Well, I'll tell you this.

00:26:07.500 When I read that statement made by John Cleese,

00:26:11.380 what leapt out to me was it was a stronger statement

00:26:15.320 in favour of Christianity in the UK

00:26:18.120 than anything we have heard from the Catholic Bishops' Conference in recent decades

00:26:23.580 and anything we've heard from the Church of England in recent decades.

00:26:27.580 And he was, of course, a Church of England bishop that agreed

00:26:30.500 that the life of Brian needed to be suppressed when that film first came out.

00:26:36.180 So that's somewhat, I think, changes afoot in my beloved homeland.

00:26:41.700 Folks, stay tuned. We'll be back here in just two minutes after this short break.

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00:31:45.400 Well, Jenny Holland, we always have you on the show telling us about developments, what's going on about young 20-year-old guys in Christianity.

00:31:53.540 We're going to talk to you something about an unusual topic here on the war, which I don't think I've ever spoken to you about specifically.

00:32:00.420 And this is women in the church in biblical history.

00:32:04.160 The EWTN, which is the largest Catholic broadcaster in the world,

00:32:11.960 has been for many decades, founded by Mother Angelica,

00:32:16.280 and the late Mother Angelica,

00:32:17.860 has announced it's producing a new biblical TV series

00:32:23.500 to depict the book of Genesis through the eyes of its best-known women.

00:32:28.420 Now, you've been sort of briefing yourself on this latest project.

00:32:31.840 Tell us a little bit about it.

00:32:34.160 Yeah, it's very interesting. It's going to air starting on March 22nd through to Easter. So imminently, just in a few weeks. And yes, it's going to air on Fox. And it is the story of, as you said, the sort of most formative women of Genesis, being Sarah, Hagar, Rebecca, Leah, and is it Rachel, I think?

00:33:02.340 um yes uh so yeah um Minnie Driver is going to play Sarah so that's an A-lister name that is

00:33:09.180 attached to this project so the fact that this exists at all is a great um almost incredible

00:33:15.320 the fact that they've gotten an A-list actress like Minnie Driver um on the project attached to

00:33:20.900 the project is very interesting she's also an excellent actress and I would watch her in almost

00:33:26.320 anything so I fully intend to watch this um I think it's exactly what is needed you know how

00:33:32.040 we're always talking about Gen Z men and boys returning to the church and becoming very 1.00

00:33:38.460 conservative and very right-wing and girls going the opposite direction. So that might be because, 0.90

00:33:45.320 I mean, it's a lot of things, but one of the reasons is that the Catholic church has a bit

00:33:52.320 of a PR problem, to be perfectly honest, when it comes to women. And the women who have been 0.71

00:33:59.820 consistently in the fold are there and they're sort of squared away but in terms of reaching for

00:34:05.600 new um for fresh blood there's there's a lot of things that could be done and you know i can speak

00:34:12.680 to this with some personal experience because even though i'm not young anymore um i am new to

00:34:18.180 catholicism in many ways and i'm sort of learning a lot about it and learning it through unbiased

00:34:26.160 eyes for the first time. I was raised in a very secular world and with parents who were hostile

00:34:31.680 to the Catholic Church, not just agnostic. So I always got the bad side, right? That's what I

00:34:38.340 always heard. Whereas actually, when you read it without these filters and you listen to

00:34:46.700 um catholic um either clergy or you know teaching there's a lot uh to offer women

00:34:55.300 a tremendous amount starting with the women in the in they're going to be featured in the show 0.99

00:35:01.020 their relationships are complex they're um they have they're full of agency so contrary to this

00:35:08.060 uh very sort of facile idea that the patriot it was just patriarchy and that just down keeps women

00:35:13.880 down and they're autonomous robots or they're just appendages. These women are scheming. They 1.00

00:35:22.040 are decisive. They are actors in this story. They're very, very interesting and very complicated

00:35:29.660 characters with very complicated interpersonal issues that are really the backbone of the story,

00:35:36.940 the foundation of the people in the Old Testament.

00:35:43.040 And a few months ago, I came across a woman called Sister Carino

00:35:46.280 deliver what I thought was a very interesting speech

00:35:49.260 at an event in the UK with Mary Harrington,

00:35:52.620 in which she talked about, well, John Paul II in particular,

00:35:55.880 and his sort of teachings on women and their importance in the church.

00:36:00.300 And she was quoting the former pope and saying

00:36:05.160 that women, as given their role, their biological capacity to bear children and to have children, 0.96

00:36:14.360 there's a reflection of that in their spiritual capacity as well. So even women who don't have 0.99

00:36:20.960 children are particularly attuned, I think was the phrase, to the mysteries of human existence.

00:36:27.700 And this was really, really interesting to me and extremely beautiful, actually.

00:36:34.100 And if you contrast it to the messaging that sort of conventional, libtard, secular society is giving now, which is what is women are downtrodden, women are oppressed, or women are girl boss and women can do anything man can do. 0.92

00:36:51.440 Neither of those things are true.

00:36:54.140 Neither of them should, and nor should it be that women can do anything that man can do. 0.99

00:36:58.660 And why would we want to?

00:37:00.420 The Catholic teachings on women, and this is a great surprise to me, the Catholic teachings on women and their capacity and their role was far more empowering, far more positive, and far more reflective of my experience as a woman, but also as a woman knowing other women and having relations with women and growing up in a world with friends, female friends and female relatives.

00:37:24.840 That is that those remarks from Sister Carino quoting from John Paul II was really accurate to me. And that is the kind of messaging, that complexity, that nuance and that agency, that empowerment, that role that women need to play is could I cannot overstate I cannot overstate how important that is to get that message out into the culture.

00:37:51.560 So not just in, you know, sort of algorithm rabbit holes where we're all talking to people who already agree with us, but push these truths out there into popular culture and into mainstream culture in a way, you know, if it could win over like a wizened cynic Gen X like me, it, you know, it really, the message itself is incredible and incredibly powerful.

00:38:16.780 It's funny, it shows you how the breakdown of the traditional family has had these unexpected

00:38:26.040 consequences rolling out because here in Italy, I'll just say that Jenny, for our audience

00:38:31.460 Jenny, you grew up here in your formative years in Italy.

00:38:36.840 You'll know that whether the traditional family model is so much more ingrained here in Italy

00:38:41.860 part of the culture and it's the mother primarily who takes the role in the 0.72

00:38:48.460 formation of the faith in the household so here in Italy the idea that mothers

00:38:55.360 would somehow that women perhaps are don't have have a less of a role in the 1.00

00:39:05.440 life of the church would be a bit strange you go to the UK of course where

00:39:10.180 everything's totally different and I think that where where the life is also

00:39:14.800 so much more secular and and your criticisms will strike I think a

00:39:18.700 resonance with a great deal of people but thanks for giving us your

00:39:25.960 perspective on that I did misspeak earlier thank and thank you for picking

00:39:31.060 up on it Jenny this is being coming out on Fox it's not coming out on on EWTN

00:39:36.420 um so when did you say this is this is debuting march 22nd so it's coming up very soon i look

00:39:44.340 forward to watching it we can do a debrief yeah yeah yeah well absolutely we'll do that absolutely

00:39:49.560 we should do that um i have to say i mean i love genesis in the old testament and who doesn't it's

00:39:54.660 got all those those rich stories there um that everyone will remember yeah sort of from their

00:40:00.740 childhoods even the story of eve you know which was always portrayed in um liberal left lefty

00:40:08.700 world is this terrible sort of crime against women the story of eve in today's political climate

00:40:14.560 is extremely relevant resonant i should say um given the commitment of many liberal white women

00:40:24.520 in particular in the united states and in the uk actually and in places like germany um to policies

00:40:30.400 that could lead to their own destruction, you know, it's very eyebrow-raising, and it's not a

00:40:39.060 condemnation, a brute force condemnation of Eve. There is that relationship between Eve and Adam,

00:40:45.640 and that failure for one to uphold wisdom and obedience creates this calamity, and that is

00:40:56.520 100 percent what is happening today with you know you see these these democrat women in the united 1.00

00:41:03.000 states um you know desperately and in some cases fatally um protesting policies that in the end

00:41:12.880 will benefit them and yet they are determined to sort of go down with the sinking ship because of

00:41:19.100 these sort of mind viruses that have taken over these women and it's very very reminiscent of

00:41:25.520 the serpent again it's the he promises her ambition essentially you know he says wisdom

00:41:30.500 that really in today's world is ambition and status and power and those are very alluring

00:41:37.380 things to all humans not just women um but it is really it's a very apt um story for

00:41:44.780 our culture today uncomfortably so let's um let's do it let's let's hit this next wednesday and you

00:41:52.200 can tell us how they handle the list i didn't see eve in the list of the uh the women that 1.00

00:41:57.000 they're concentrating on but but let's see how they handle that anyway so as you say that's

00:42:01.180 coming out on fox which we hate by the way as a network um in the war room but it's coming out

00:42:07.040 on fox on on the 22nd and we'll tune in for for that for that series alone coming over now to

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00:43:53.780 to act. Joseph, last 10 minutes of the show are with you. Here's an interesting story

00:44:01.380 that a priest in Iceland has been informed by the criminal authorities,

00:44:10.760 the police that they are opening an investigation,

00:44:13.260 a criminal investigation against him

00:44:15.960 because he spoke out in favour of LGBT conversion therapy,

00:44:22.580 which I know has been banned, I think, in a number of US states.

00:44:26.380 But criminal proceedings now is an indication of where authentic witness to Jesus Christ will get you in some corners.

00:44:36.680 Yeah, well, there's a few interesting things in this story.

00:44:39.060 I think the first thing to note is, of course, the outrage from all the other denominations that are represented in Iceland to immediately denounce and decry what has been said by this particular priest.

00:44:53.980 Of course, there's also some debate over what conversion therapy really means.

00:44:57.740 It has different meanings in different parts of the world.

00:45:00.060 And of course, there were certain practices, particularly in the United States and also I think in the United Kingdom a couple of times,

00:45:07.020 which were borderline abusive and nothing to do whatsoever with any form of wholesome religious pastoral care.

00:45:15.740 But I think what this priest was talking about was more whether or not celibacy is required by the church to receive communion or whether being in a proper state of grace is important.

00:45:29.680 And, of course, that's Catholic moral code for every person in the church, regardless of whether they're gay or straight.

00:45:38.020 And this is one of the problems, really, with this whole debate.

00:45:41.240 And I think seeing the outrage and reaction from other denominations, it's important to note that church teaching is not necessarily about the form of sin.

00:45:51.820 It's more to do with whether or not moral law is being upheld.

00:45:55.420 And of course, celibacy is required from anyone who's not in a married state, regardless of who they are in the church.

00:46:03.640 more widely. We're seeing this problem come into question, particularly in places like Germany,

00:46:08.540 where bishops are becoming very liberal in their teaching on this. It's happened a few times in

00:46:14.120 the United Kingdom, where things are left ambiguous. And of course, we see it in the

00:46:19.880 United States as well. And so I think this is part of a general trend. It's interesting that

00:46:24.320 it's happening in far-flung corners of the earth, like Iceland, where in fact, I think Catholics

00:46:29.540 still only make up about four percent of the population. But of course, you know, this is not

00:46:34.560 something that's unique to the Catholic Church. This is also a debate that's been had in many

00:46:39.520 different denominations. And of course, it's not yet a debate that's spread to the Muslim world,

00:46:44.620 one does not hesitate to point out. But I think in this particular instance, the most interesting

00:46:51.740 thing aside from the story is that, of course, Catholicism is beginning to grow even in places

00:46:57.200 like Iceland which have traditionally been very secular um of course formerly Lutheran country but

00:47:02.400 now uh secular to the point of in fact um trying to purge Down syndrome children through total

00:47:09.640 eugenic abortion well let's um have a look at this case in a little more detail because we're

00:47:18.400 not dealing with any backwater parish priest here we're talking about the chancellor of the

00:47:26.740 the church the Catholic Church in Iceland Father Jacob Rowland who gave an

00:47:33.080 interview with the state broadcaster RUV that started speaking about the

00:47:38.480 church's position on LGBT issues and therefore the the Reykjavik police as

00:47:46.740 the Reykjavik's the capital as I'm sure the war in posse is very well familiar

00:47:51.080 with of Iceland announced that they are going to be examining the priests

00:47:55.980 remarks and deciding whether to launch a criminal, formal criminal

00:48:01.480 investigation. And specifically when Father Roland was asked whether he feels

00:48:07.380 compelled to follow the law on these matters because back in 2023 the

00:48:13.460 Iceland Parliament passed a statute banning conversion therapy of LGBT

00:48:20.860 individuals father Rowland said yes and he does feel compelled to follow the law

00:48:26.720 as long as the law aligns with God's laws it has been known in law from the

00:48:35.300 very beginning that when the laws of the land and God's laws conflict God's laws

00:48:40.360 apply so that's a very clear case I think of courageous witness on behalf of this

00:48:47.520 priest my question to you is are you aware of any interventions now that that

00:48:54.720 was as a Chancellor of the church in in Iceland I presume of the diocese they

00:49:01.720 must I don't know how many dioceses there are in Iceland but are you aware

00:49:06.600 of any maneuvers on behalf of the Holy See diplomatically to come in to defend

00:49:12.360 father roland and his courageous position on this well i've certainly seen nothing in the way of a

00:49:19.220 press statement nor will i hold my breath on that front but i i think that um that there has been a

00:49:25.820 significant response online um it reminds me of the case of a finnish uh mp who also stood up for

00:49:33.120 the biblical definition of marriage um a few years ago and ended up actually um with the state trying

00:49:39.480 to put her in prison. So we've got a similar kind of status of someone who's trying to stand up for

00:49:47.240 their faith and will probably be at least visited by the authorities in due course. Now that's of

00:49:53.940 course where one would hope that the church will step in if that does happen at some point and I

00:49:58.900 think I would expect at least certain bishops to start speaking out even if there's nothing from

00:50:04.140 the latent hierarchy in rome so all of the trad inc brigade who have been pushing the line just

00:50:10.960 give to the war room now give um give leo a chance don't don't box him in and this will be something

00:50:17.660 for all catholics who are interested in these issues to be following closely to see exactly

00:50:23.100 what position the vatican takes on this of course taking no position whatsoever is taking a position

00:50:29.200 in and of itself right yeah i think he may be too much trapped in a large block of ice somewhere to

00:50:35.920 be able to reach out at this time as long as he's blessing the block of ice and that will be fine

00:50:41.580 folks that's all we have time for today uh jenny holland you're very active on you're both very

00:50:49.180 active on social media uh why don't you just quickly remind us where people can get hold of

00:50:54.380 your writings as you attempt to save culture from itself yes i am on substack at jenny e holland

00:51:04.320 dot substack dot com and on youtube at saving culture from itself and you're going to be back

00:51:11.320 next wednesday are you not to give us the the briefing the debriefing on what happens with

00:51:17.400 fox's program on uh on women in genesis i'm in the uk i don't know when it's going to be released

00:51:23.660 here but yes if i can i absolutely will joseph robertson social media you can find me on uh

00:51:32.300 at jr types both on substack and x and joseph robertson uk on instagram um and yep stay tuned

00:51:40.160 i will be in the us again uh next week actually so may meet some of you at cpac us if any of you

00:51:46.440 of that fantastic um catch you all next wednesday that's all we've got time for folks thanks to

00:51:53.860 cameron wallace our producer and to wendell who's been holding the the fort marvelously

00:51:58.880 throughout this one hour transmission steve will be back in the chair 10 a.m tomorrow god bless for

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WarRoom Battleground EP 976： Co-star of film once banned in the UK for blasphemy reverses course and defends “Christian values”

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