00:01:19.420mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a conscience ask yourself
00:01:27.700what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will
00:01:35.560be saved war room here's your host stephen k ban
00:01:40.240Carnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.
00:01:47.560It's that spot in the week when we dive down into development in all things Christian.
00:01:52.400Joined by our usual battleground guests, Jenny Holland and Joseph Robertson.
00:01:59.540Good evening to you both. Thanks for joining us.
00:02:03.240We had the cold open there of the festivities for St. Patrick's Day yesterday,
00:02:08.540They primarily are being celebrated in the United States.
00:02:11.760I don't know if they dye the colours, the rivers, green in Ireland.
00:02:14.680I don't know if they have that devotion to St. Patrick.
00:02:20.600Jenny, before we move forward with the show,
00:02:23.520Jenny, seeing as that you live on the Emerald Isle,
00:02:28.360even if in the British part rather than the Irish part,
00:02:34.140tell us a bit, I thought this might be an opportunity,
00:02:36.700Just to do a refresh on the life of St. Patrick, who he was when he lived, what he stood for, why he's remembered.
00:02:47.580Tell us a bit. Obviously, people know St. Patrick's Day.
00:02:51.300It's impossible, I think, to watch the news and not be aware of its annual passing.
00:02:55.780But perhaps some of the details over who it is that we're celebrating might have been slightly forgotten in the rush to get a couple of Guinnesses in at the pub.
00:03:18.820Well, he came along about 400 years after Christ, I believe.
00:03:22.480And this will please you no end to stick it to the Irish. But he was not, in fact, Irish. He was actually a Briton. He was a Roman Briton who was kidnapped by Irish bandits and taken over across the Irish Sea to Ireland, where he toiled as a slave, a shepherd, but as a slave in status.
00:03:45.580And he ended up in the north of Ireland, which is, you're correct, where I am in Ulster.
00:03:51.460And he ended up in a particular part of Ulster, which I'm very familiar with as I lived there myself for several years.
00:03:59.300And it's a very beautiful and mystical part of the world.
00:04:05.240So as he gradually became, I think his family was identified as Christian, as we would say today, back in Britain.
00:04:14.860And his religiosity grew as he was enduring the hardships of a life of a slave shepherd in the very, very cold and damp countryside of Ulster.
00:04:29.000And he had the chance to escape eventually, but was called back to the same area, which is the eastern, the coast of County Down, which is the very eastern side of the north of Ireland.
00:04:43.660And that is where he founded the church in Ireland.
00:04:52.660He proceeded west a little bit to Armagh, which is the seat of the church, the Catholic church and the Church of Ireland, which is a little bit further west inland.
00:05:02.920But County Down, and in particular Downpatrick and the sort of hills surrounding it, are truly magical.
00:05:09.880And it's sort of funny because I was living there during COVID and that is where I, my own, the first green shoots of my interest in Christianity and Catholicism really took root.
00:05:24.040And actually, it wasn't until today when I was reading up on this in preparation for the show that I put two and two together that I was living in the same neighborhood, essentially, as St. Patrick, as I was becoming very partial and very open to Catholicism in general.
00:05:43.240So make that make of that what you will, Ben.
00:05:45.500um spiritual spiritual um father to you then um is there much devotion in ulster in northern
00:05:54.340ireland to saint patrick oh loads i mean yes i think it's funny because he i he must be the
00:06:02.480most famous of all the saints i mean i think it's the only saint whose day is so widely marked
00:06:08.160across the world um and you know you a cynic could say yeah it's because everyone likes to
00:06:13.260get tanked on pints of guinness um but um you know it is something of a of a remarkable um testament
00:06:22.580to his his achievement i mean of course because ireland uh pre patrick you know it was a pagan
00:06:31.660society it was very ancient society full of myths and legends and fairy tales and there was always
00:06:37.060a sort of spiritual, mystical aspect to Ireland.
00:06:40.700But the way that Christianity took root here
00:07:07.060Um, you'll see the parades here, both here in Belfast and in Dublin are much more focused
00:07:13.480on folklore, um, and myth, um, and sort of puppetry and juggling and that sort of thing.
00:07:21.060And, and less on this sort of traditional Catholic, um, ethos or even aesthetic.
00:07:29.340Um, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's a national holiday here.
00:07:32.360everyone's off um the schools are closed um and both in the north and the south um and it's yeah
00:07:40.600it's a nice day it's a day for um celebration although yesterday i did go i am doing lent
00:07:45.900myself and i did go to the local pub to uh have a non-alcoholic in us and uh just to you know
00:07:53.640celebrate my my heritage and a a woman came into the pub i'm i'm in a part of belfast that is
00:07:58.880Protestant Catholic mixed. It's an interface area. And a woman came in and was wearing an Irish flag
00:08:07.180on her jacket. And the bouncer politely requested that she take it off and turn it inside out
00:08:13.580because the crowd in the bar is not entirely attached to the trickler, shall we say. We'll
00:08:20.760leave it at that. So these implications endure somewhat. But overall, yeah, it's a massive
00:08:28.720celebration everyone loves to dress up in green um and go out and see the parades and have a couple
00:08:34.800of pints i have to say here in italy um the day yesterday just passed everyone by without even a
00:08:42.900ripple of course for the italian church there were no saints outside uh of there were no saints who
00:08:49.440aren't italian basically as a catholic devotion basically has anyone who might have achieved
00:08:55.280anything um whose non-italians quietly put off to the side joseph anything on saint patrick's day
00:09:01.040in in sunny uk yesterday sunny well of course i think we've probably got a larger diaspora
00:09:08.120population um perhaps than uh than even some of the major cities in ireland now uh so yes london
00:09:15.040london have plenty of festivities they're not quite as big as they are in dublin but i'm sure
00:09:19.620everyone was down the pub and uh making it a guinness rather than a foster's for once
00:09:24.500um but on that topic of italian saints i do remember being on holiday in sicily last year
00:09:30.440and being rudely awakened by cannons firing at 1am for the local saint so they do keep their
00:09:36.940traditions far more alive than we do sure i mean any local saint that has no has no devotion even
00:09:45.540outside of the parish will get fireworks um and cannon and the the the and the local band will
00:09:52.020will be will be out in force and the local um mayor will be out in force and even in in a in a
00:09:57.460in a mountain village of a hundred or so inhabitants you have national saints like saint
00:10:03.300patrick however which sort of american islands will be and the uk will be remembering nothing
00:10:10.420nothing here in Italy. So Saint Patrick the patron saint of Ireland born in
00:10:16.240Scotland as Jenny was saying to Roman parents around 385 when he was a
00:10:20.920teenager Saint Patrick was kidnapped by an Irish raiding party and taken to
00:10:25.480Ireland as a slave and then he made his way back and studied for the priesthood
00:10:30.460so he was Scottish and that's fine I think plenty of countries have patron
00:10:37.720saints like saint george who wasn't of the nationality of of the of the country um i knew
00:10:44.240of course so he was scottish i knew there was a reason i liked saint patrick the land of my
00:10:49.140grandmother um jenny just stay with us just for quick one quick moment before we move over to
00:10:56.740joseph tell us i noticed that there are some positive news uh which we do like to cover every
00:11:02.220now and again coming out of the german church i hear that the number of catholics formally
00:11:08.560disaffiliating from the church in germany has now fallen for the third year in a row
00:11:13.760while the percentage of catholics attending mass has risen for the fourth consecutive year i know
00:11:21.220this is something that the movements like in both ways that you follow and report to us every week
00:11:26.580um on this anything here uh in the general developments that you want to flag up for us
00:11:32.940yeah i mean i i think it's interesting that um the the german state taxes german citizens uh who are
00:11:44.320um officially registered as members of the christian church so either the catholic church
00:11:51.940or a Protestant denomination. And so this is why we have these striking numbers. So
00:11:57.780in order to get out of paying the tax, which is, I think it was like eight or nine percent
00:12:04.820of your income tax, not your income. So it could be several hundred euros a year. And to get out
00:12:11.700of paying that, you have to formally go and get paperwork done and pay a small fee to renounce
00:12:19.700your faith. And in 2022, 500,000 Germans formerly renounced their Catholic affiliation and that
00:12:31.380they call them exits. They exited the church. I'm not aware of any other country that does
00:12:36.320something like this. So these numbers are actually, to me, quite stark. And yes, exits,
00:12:41.760the Catholic exits from this year or last year are down to 300,000, but that's still a lot of people.
00:12:48.320and that, yes, there is a slight rise in the percentage of people attending mass.
00:12:55.360But, you know, it might well be that sort of the last man standing is more committed and more fervent
00:13:03.100than the sort of nominal Catholics who are saying, well, why am I paying this tax?
00:13:08.620I never go to church and I don't care anymore.
00:13:11.520Interestingly, I found that the statistics overall for the religious sort of affiliations in Germany
00:13:18.300Catholics are down to 23 percent and Protestants 20 percent of the population.
00:13:23.240The largest group is non-religious or non-affiliated at 40 to 50 percent and Muslims bringing up the rear at 7 percent.
00:13:30.480Now, there were, I think it was, there's a German government study that says that 69% of the refugees, as they called them, entering into Germany from 2013 to 2019, 69% of them are Muslim.
00:13:48.440And among the people who are the refugees, as the word they use, who are religious, they have a high level of religious belief.
00:14:00.680I know that would indicate to me that the Muslim population of Germany may be more committed and more fervent, and that the Catholic population, while these numbers have gone down somewhat in terms of people leaving, are not all that reassuring to me. I personally don't see this as good news.
00:14:23.340jenny i think you're absolutely right on that synthesis and there's a lot going on in germany
00:14:31.160we're seeing the huge exits and i agree with your analysis that they're not really um commensurate
00:14:37.940with the gains that the german church is making uh and i would speculate that those gains are
00:14:43.380taking place in spite of the established institutional catholic church's best efforts
00:14:49.300rather than because of anything that they're doing but the fight back is certainly taking place
00:14:53.220it's taking place in the afd on the political level it's taking place as right across the west
00:14:57.660um and it won't be your or or my age bracket either it'll be joseph's and age bracket which
00:15:05.640is really doing the heavy lifting uh right across the world as um as this renewal movement that
00:15:12.980we've been narrating week by week rolls forward. Standby folks, I'm just going to give a quick
00:15:20.140shout out to one of our sponsors, Birch Gold. Think about this, in 2006, $20,000 equaled roughly
00:15:30.30033 ounces of gold at spot price and today's price is 20 years on. If you sold those 33 ounces
00:15:40.360at spot price. You'd be netting, you'd be pocketing around $165,000. So $20,000 put down,
00:15:50.660$165,000 you would be getting if you saw that now. That's a huge increase and that's why smart
00:15:58.140Americans are diversifying a portion of their savings into precious metals. And that's why
00:16:04.140you need to consider buying gold from our friends at Birch Gold Group. For thousands of years,
00:16:09.780gold has been a store of wealth and today it's a crucial part of any
00:16:14.540balanced strategy and even better Birch Gold can help you convert an existing
00:16:19.480IRA or 401k into tax sheltered retirement account in gold so just text
00:16:26.420the name Bannon that's B-A-N-N-O-N to the number 989898 to receive your free
00:16:34.040info kit on gold no obligation just useful information with an A plus
00:16:39.060rating with the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers
00:16:43.680let Birch Gold help you diversify with gold. Now that's peace of mind for you.
00:16:49.800Text Bannon to 989898 again Bannon to 989898. Now an interesting development
00:17:00.840probably one of the most famous comedians in the Western world for his and his
00:17:08.280colleagues assault on Christianity has made a somewhat surprising intervention.
00:17:15.420Before we have Joseph Robertson break this down for us, let's hear and let's
00:17:21.420remind ourselves of John Cleese and one of his many digs at established
00:17:57.780the messiah he is he is the messiah now f*** off i knew that denver was going to edit that video
00:18:09.920somewhat short at the end so joseph look just to put this i mean every everyone will americans
00:18:15.140everyone will know who john cleese is as as a comedian uh part of the uh monty python's flying
00:18:21.740circus made all these films or uh always putting a dig in at established christianity and now he's
00:18:28.980made a somewhat surprising unexpected intervention reminding me somewhat of richard dawkins
00:18:35.100you know the uk's most famous ideological atheist basically getting slightly sentimental about the
00:18:41.240lack of christianity and what that would mean for the uk exactly what was his intervention
00:18:46.080and what did he say? Well, I think the reality is that the so-called high church atheists of
00:18:55.240Britain are beginning to realise that what might replace Christianity is a lot worse than where
00:19:02.460they allowed their imagination to drift. I think they envisage some kind of humanistic paradise
00:19:07.480where no one troubled themselves with organised religion. But what they're really starting to
00:19:12.200find is that when Christianity is replaced, all of its morals go along with it. All of the strength
00:19:18.040and bravery that created the West goes along with it. And of course, what will replace it is any
00:19:23.160other dominant ideology that can take that power. It's not that we will have nothing, it's that we'll
00:19:30.280have something else. And of course, the problem with Islam in its political form is that it is
00:19:37.460a legal system. And so I think regardless of whether you are a Christian, a Jew, even a
00:19:45.940moderate Muslim, you may look at political Islam in its fullest form in countries such as Iran
00:19:51.560and other examples in the Middle East and say, well, do we really want this system of governance?
00:19:57.600Because it's not just a religion, it's a system of governance. And even the most borderline
00:20:02.520christian or indeed high church atheists uh will look at that and take stock particularly when it
00:20:08.240comes to the treatment of women of minorities and say actually maybe what we have wasn't so bad
00:20:13.860after all so this is pretty much uh a similar angle uh from in a different scenario look
00:20:20.620looking at this from what jenny holland was saying earlier on in the show about the german
00:20:26.340situation that christianity is is leaving the situation and islam is standing in the wings
00:20:33.060ready to come in swoop down and because of course nature abhors a vacuum do you think
00:20:40.020that liberals and progressives in the west give sufficient credit to the fact that they're very
00:20:47.060liberal progressive tolerant secular philosophy didn't just emerge out of nowhere it was sort of
00:20:55.060It grew and developed out of Christian and post-Christian philosophical thinking.
00:21:00.700And if you kick away the supports of that, then the supports of liberal progressive tolerantism, as it were, collapse as well.
00:21:09.540I think people like Richard Dawkins and John Cleese are coming to this conclusion probably a little too late.
00:21:19.020Well, bleeding heart liberalism weaponizes the fundamental tenets of Christianity against itself.
00:21:24.560And essentially what that means is that it tells you to go into all of the nice sounding principles of Christianity, such as love tolerance and, you know, the ability to turn the other cheek and all these other things and takes it so far to its extreme and unnatural conclusion as to allow anyone that is a dominating minority or undercurrent to essentially just hit you while you're down.
00:21:50.580and what the liberals don't understand is that they're also being used for an agenda.
00:21:56.360I write a lot about the similarity between the tenets of the Fabian society, a left-wing
00:22:03.440gradualist movement that's dominated UK politics for about 140 years, and the Muslim Brotherhood
00:22:09.460and of course these two societies have completely opposing goals. One is for the dominance of
00:22:15.940political Islam. One is for the dominance of gradualist communism. But both have almost
00:22:20.820identical manifestos if you replace the words communism and Islamism. And what liberals are
00:22:26.260starting to wake up to is the fact that a more, let's call it a more dominant ideology, such as
00:22:33.920a communist ideology or an Islamist ideology, will use the softest and weakest parts of a society to
00:22:40.540work against itself. And that is why we're starting to see people who perhaps 15 years ago would have
00:22:45.700consider themselves moderates or perhaps even left progressives starting to switch back to
00:22:49.940center or center right because they realize that without some sort of pushback on their own part
00:22:54.580they're going to be eaten alive and replaced by ideologues who genuinely believe in the plan that
00:23:00.500they've laid out for not just decades but hundreds of years um and of course that's a subconscious
00:23:06.500awakening at the moment but we're seeing even in the recent weeks i've seen certainly perhaps
00:23:11.860it's only anecdotal, but more and more stories of murder, of sexual assault, of violence from
00:23:18.660mainly illegal immigrants in this country. But I think it has ramped up in a way that perhaps
00:23:23.980we were seeing in Germany a few years ago, and Germany, I think, got the brunt of it a lot quicker
00:23:28.380than we did. But as these things happen and start to balloon, we're really going to see a lot of
00:23:35.960so-called progressives or moderates who perhaps do deep down fundamentally care about some of
00:23:41.840those core tenets of christianity but in a in a false kind of way starting to push back against
00:23:47.700um you know the other side so the background of this then is susie hall who's the leader of the
00:23:57.760conservative group on the london assembly put out a tweet where she said that we have to fight for
00:24:06.040culture and remain a Christian country to which John Cleese who I think I think
00:24:12.640its political affiliation for many decades has been towards the Liberal
00:24:16.660Democrats though you might correct me if there's been any changes on that he
00:24:21.640responded to her tweet saying that the UK has always been based at the deepest
00:24:27.220level on Christian values regardless of dogma despite the many mistakes made by
00:24:32.560churches for centuries British people have been influenced by Christ's
00:24:36.820teaching if these values are replaced by Islamic ones this will not be Britain
00:24:42.740anymore now as we started off with the with the scene from the life of Brian
00:24:48.040which is I think that that was banned correct me if I'm wrong but in the life
00:24:51.700of band one was banned for decades on British television because it was
00:24:57.560considered to be so blasphemous. If John Cleese now, and he must be in his 80s now, makes this
00:25:04.660intervention, I think it is clear that someone of the old school liberal progressive values
00:25:10.940of which John Cleese and his fellow Pythons represent is very much now on the back foot.
00:25:18.400Just give me 40 seconds before we head to the break, Joseph. What's been the response to John
00:25:24.880pleases intervention here in the uk well i think um a lot of free speech advocates of course will
00:25:32.980rally around them in saying this and one thing you've got to remember is that one of the sketches
00:25:36.640that was so famous was the day in people's front and arguing over uh you know whether or not a man
00:25:44.240can become a woman can become a man and of course while a lot of people might be left on this stuff
00:25:50.740When it comes back to fundamental biology and basic truths,
00:25:54.280all of which come from Christian biology,
00:25:57.620they have, of course, held those opinions themselves for a long time.
00:26:01.060So people are rallying around him, and hopefully it will be a change in the wind.
00:26:18.120than anything we have heard from the Catholic Bishops' Conference in recent decades
00:26:23.580and anything we've heard from the Church of England in recent decades.
00:26:27.580And he was, of course, a Church of England bishop that agreed
00:26:30.500that the life of Brian needed to be suppressed when that film first came out.
00:26:36.180So that's somewhat, I think, changes afoot in my beloved homeland.
00:26:41.700Folks, stay tuned. We'll be back here in just two minutes after this short break.
00:26:48.120In America's heart, go on, raise the flag, cause I got stars in my eyes.
00:27:00.060Think about this. In 2006, $20,000 equaled roughly 33 ounces of gold at spot prices.
00:27:10.480At today's prices, those 33 ounces of gold will be worth $165,000.
00:27:20.840Smart Americans diversify a portion of their savings into precious metals.
00:27:26.440And that's why you need to consider buying gold from my friends at Birch Gold Group.
00:27:31.520For thousands of years, gold has been a store of wealth.
00:27:35.200And today, it is a crucial part of any balance strategy.
00:27:38.480Even better, Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax-sheltered retirement account in gold.
00:27:47.920Just text my name, Bannon, B-A-N-N-O-N, to the number 989898 to receive your free info kit on gold.
00:27:55.660There's no obligation, just useful information.
00:27:59.620With an A-plus rating with the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers,
00:28:05.480Let Birch Gold help you diversify with gold. Now that's peace of mind. Text Bannon to 989898. Again, my name, Bannon, B-A-N-N-O-N, to the number 989898. Do it today.
00:28:22.380If you're 65 or already on Medicare, listen up, folks, and grab a pen, maybe even a number two pencil.
00:28:32.440Call 845-WAR-ROOM. That's 845-WAR-ROOM. Call it right now. I'm serious. Call it.
00:28:39.160Now, here's why. The insurance companies and their lackeys in the Washington swamp have built a Medicare system designed to confuse you and rip you off.
00:28:49.520Rising premiums, denied claims, fine print nobody but a lobbyist understands.
00:28:54.980Millions of American seniors are paying too much and getting too little.
00:28:58.500And worst of all, most don't even know it.
00:29:39.140Now, listen, in the first couple of days of the launch of this company with the Warren Posse, Posse members saved tens and up to hundreds of thousands collectively of dollars in these fees.
00:29:50.340Go check it out today. That's chapter. Call 845-WAR-ROOM. Do it today.
00:29:55.780fellow patriots the federal reserve has betrayed america for over a century printing fiat inflating
00:30:04.160away your savings serving globalist masters but president trump is ending it president trump is
00:30:10.900wielding a 112 year old law to reclaim control from the rogue federal reserve he's replacing
00:30:18.960Jerome Powell, slashing rates, igniting America's re-industrialization. Now, this is not theory.
00:30:26.220Government-backed industry plus low rates unleashes super cycles. History does repeat.
00:30:32.960Gold's already exploding. Miners are up over 400 percent in the last year. What Rickards is calling
00:30:39.060Trump's gift is wealth for American patriots, not global handouts. Now it's America's turn.
00:30:46.580Jim Rickards, former CIA and Pentagon veteran, says act now.
00:31:45.400Well, Jenny Holland, we always have you on the show telling us about developments, what's going on about young 20-year-old guys in Christianity.
00:31:53.540We're going to talk to you something about an unusual topic here on the war, which I don't think I've ever spoken to you about specifically.
00:32:00.420And this is women in the church in biblical history.
00:32:04.160The EWTN, which is the largest Catholic broadcaster in the world,
00:32:11.960has been for many decades, founded by Mother Angelica,
00:32:34.160Yeah, it's very interesting. It's going to air starting on March 22nd through to Easter. So imminently, just in a few weeks. And yes, it's going to air on Fox. And it is the story of, as you said, the sort of most formative women of Genesis, being Sarah, Hagar, Rebecca, Leah, and is it Rachel, I think?
00:33:02.340um yes uh so yeah um Minnie Driver is going to play Sarah so that's an A-lister name that is
00:33:09.180attached to this project so the fact that this exists at all is a great um almost incredible
00:33:15.320the fact that they've gotten an A-list actress like Minnie Driver um on the project attached to
00:33:20.900the project is very interesting she's also an excellent actress and I would watch her in almost
00:33:26.320anything so I fully intend to watch this um I think it's exactly what is needed you know how
00:33:32.040we're always talking about Gen Z men and boys returning to the church and becoming very
00:33:38.460conservative and very right-wing and girls going the opposite direction. So that might be because,
00:33:45.320I mean, it's a lot of things, but one of the reasons is that the Catholic church has a bit
00:33:52.320of a PR problem, to be perfectly honest, when it comes to women. And the women who have been
00:33:59.820consistently in the fold are there and they're sort of squared away but in terms of reaching for
00:34:05.600new um for fresh blood there's there's a lot of things that could be done and you know i can speak
00:34:12.680to this with some personal experience because even though i'm not young anymore um i am new to
00:34:18.180catholicism in many ways and i'm sort of learning a lot about it and learning it through unbiased
00:34:26.160eyes for the first time. I was raised in a very secular world and with parents who were hostile
00:34:31.680to the Catholic Church, not just agnostic. So I always got the bad side, right? That's what I
00:34:38.340always heard. Whereas actually, when you read it without these filters and you listen to
00:34:46.700um catholic um either clergy or you know teaching there's a lot uh to offer women
00:34:55.300a tremendous amount starting with the women in the in they're going to be featured in the show
00:35:01.020their relationships are complex they're um they have they're full of agency so contrary to this
00:35:08.060uh very sort of facile idea that the patriot it was just patriarchy and that just down keeps women
00:35:13.880down and they're autonomous robots or they're just appendages. These women are scheming. They
00:35:22.040are decisive. They are actors in this story. They're very, very interesting and very complicated
00:35:29.660characters with very complicated interpersonal issues that are really the backbone of the story,
00:35:36.940the foundation of the people in the Old Testament.
00:35:43.040And a few months ago, I came across a woman called Sister Carino
00:35:46.280deliver what I thought was a very interesting speech
00:35:49.260at an event in the UK with Mary Harrington,
00:35:52.620in which she talked about, well, John Paul II in particular,
00:35:55.880and his sort of teachings on women and their importance in the church.
00:36:00.300And she was quoting the former pope and saying
00:36:05.160that women, as given their role, their biological capacity to bear children and to have children,
00:36:14.360there's a reflection of that in their spiritual capacity as well. So even women who don't have
00:36:20.960children are particularly attuned, I think was the phrase, to the mysteries of human existence.
00:36:27.700And this was really, really interesting to me and extremely beautiful, actually.
00:36:34.100And if you contrast it to the messaging that sort of conventional, libtard, secular society is giving now, which is what is women are downtrodden, women are oppressed, or women are girl boss and women can do anything man can do.
00:37:00.420The Catholic teachings on women, and this is a great surprise to me, the Catholic teachings on women and their capacity and their role was far more empowering, far more positive, and far more reflective of my experience as a woman, but also as a woman knowing other women and having relations with women and growing up in a world with friends, female friends and female relatives.
00:37:24.840That is that those remarks from Sister Carino quoting from John Paul II was really accurate to me. And that is the kind of messaging, that complexity, that nuance and that agency, that empowerment, that role that women need to play is could I cannot overstate I cannot overstate how important that is to get that message out into the culture.
00:37:51.560So not just in, you know, sort of algorithm rabbit holes where we're all talking to people who already agree with us, but push these truths out there into popular culture and into mainstream culture in a way, you know, if it could win over like a wizened cynic Gen X like me, it, you know, it really, the message itself is incredible and incredibly powerful.
00:38:16.780It's funny, it shows you how the breakdown of the traditional family has had these unexpected
00:38:26.040consequences rolling out because here in Italy, I'll just say that Jenny, for our audience
00:38:31.460Jenny, you grew up here in your formative years in Italy.
00:38:36.840You'll know that whether the traditional family model is so much more ingrained here in Italy
00:38:41.860part of the culture and it's the mother primarily who takes the role in the
00:38:48.460formation of the faith in the household so here in Italy the idea that mothers
00:38:55.360would somehow that women perhaps are don't have have a less of a role in the
00:39:05.440life of the church would be a bit strange you go to the UK of course where
00:39:10.180everything's totally different and I think that where where the life is also
00:39:14.800so much more secular and and your criticisms will strike I think a
00:39:18.700resonance with a great deal of people but thanks for giving us your
00:39:25.960perspective on that I did misspeak earlier thank and thank you for picking
00:39:31.060up on it Jenny this is being coming out on Fox it's not coming out on on EWTN
00:39:36.420um so when did you say this is this is debuting march 22nd so it's coming up very soon i look
00:39:44.340forward to watching it we can do a debrief yeah yeah yeah well absolutely we'll do that absolutely
00:39:49.560we should do that um i have to say i mean i love genesis in the old testament and who doesn't it's
00:39:54.660got all those those rich stories there um that everyone will remember yeah sort of from their
00:40:00.740childhoods even the story of eve you know which was always portrayed in um liberal left lefty
00:40:08.700world is this terrible sort of crime against women the story of eve in today's political climate
00:40:14.560is extremely relevant resonant i should say um given the commitment of many liberal white women
00:40:24.520in particular in the united states and in the uk actually and in places like germany um to policies
00:40:30.400that could lead to their own destruction, you know, it's very eyebrow-raising, and it's not a
00:40:39.060condemnation, a brute force condemnation of Eve. There is that relationship between Eve and Adam,
00:40:45.640and that failure for one to uphold wisdom and obedience creates this calamity, and that is
00:40:56.520100 percent what is happening today with you know you see these these democrat women in the united
00:41:03.000states um you know desperately and in some cases fatally um protesting policies that in the end
00:41:12.880will benefit them and yet they are determined to sort of go down with the sinking ship because of
00:41:19.100these sort of mind viruses that have taken over these women and it's very very reminiscent of
00:41:25.520the serpent again it's the he promises her ambition essentially you know he says wisdom
00:41:30.500that really in today's world is ambition and status and power and those are very alluring
00:41:37.380things to all humans not just women um but it is really it's a very apt um story for
00:41:44.780our culture today uncomfortably so let's um let's do it let's let's hit this next wednesday and you
00:41:52.200can tell us how they handle the list i didn't see eve in the list of the uh the women that
00:41:57.000they're concentrating on but but let's see how they handle that anyway so as you say that's
00:42:01.180coming out on fox which we hate by the way as a network um in the war room but it's coming out
00:42:07.040on fox on on the 22nd and we'll tune in for for that for that series alone coming over now to
00:42:12.720joseph and the close of the show the last segment in just a few moments but first of all do you owe
00:42:17.460back taxes or perhaps you haven't filed for many years, now is the time to resolve those tax
00:42:23.960matters. With the national conversation around abolishing the income tax system, the IRS is
00:42:30.820fighting back and proving it's here to stay by becoming more aggressive than ever before.
00:42:35.920They're sending out more collection notices, filing more tax liens and collecting billions
00:42:41.320more than in recent years. And if you owe, the IRS can garnish your wages, levy your bank accounts,
00:42:48.440seize your retirement and even your home. If you owe or haven't filed, it's not a question of if
00:42:53.980the IRS will act, it's when. So right now, Tax Network USA is offering a completely free IRS
00:43:02.040research and discovery call to show you exactly where you stand and what they can stop before
00:43:08.500it's too late. Their powerful programs and strategies can save you thousands or even
00:43:13.620eliminate your debt entirely if you qualify. Don't make a costly mistake representing yourself or
00:43:19.860calling the IRS on your own waives your rights and costs you more money. They are not on your
00:43:26.960side. Get protected the right way with Tax Network USA and start the process on settling your tax
00:43:33.780matters once and for all today. Call 1-800-958-1000. That's 1-800-958-1000 or visit tnusa.com
00:43:46.060slash bannon for free discovery call with Tax Network USA. Don't let the IRS be the first
00:43:53.780to act. Joseph, last 10 minutes of the show are with you. Here's an interesting story
00:44:01.380that a priest in Iceland has been informed by the criminal authorities,
00:44:10.760the police that they are opening an investigation,
00:44:15.960because he spoke out in favour of LGBT conversion therapy,
00:44:22.580which I know has been banned, I think, in a number of US states.
00:44:26.380But criminal proceedings now is an indication of where authentic witness to Jesus Christ will get you in some corners.
00:44:36.680Yeah, well, there's a few interesting things in this story.
00:44:39.060I think the first thing to note is, of course, the outrage from all the other denominations that are represented in Iceland to immediately denounce and decry what has been said by this particular priest.
00:44:53.980Of course, there's also some debate over what conversion therapy really means.
00:44:57.740It has different meanings in different parts of the world.
00:45:00.060And of course, there were certain practices, particularly in the United States and also I think in the United Kingdom a couple of times,
00:45:07.020which were borderline abusive and nothing to do whatsoever with any form of wholesome religious pastoral care.
00:45:15.740But I think what this priest was talking about was more whether or not celibacy is required by the church to receive communion or whether being in a proper state of grace is important.
00:45:29.680And, of course, that's Catholic moral code for every person in the church, regardless of whether they're gay or straight.
00:45:38.020And this is one of the problems, really, with this whole debate.
00:45:41.240And I think seeing the outrage and reaction from other denominations, it's important to note that church teaching is not necessarily about the form of sin.
00:45:51.820It's more to do with whether or not moral law is being upheld.
00:45:55.420And of course, celibacy is required from anyone who's not in a married state, regardless of who they are in the church.
00:46:03.640more widely. We're seeing this problem come into question, particularly in places like Germany,
00:46:08.540where bishops are becoming very liberal in their teaching on this. It's happened a few times in
00:46:14.120the United Kingdom, where things are left ambiguous. And of course, we see it in the
00:46:19.880United States as well. And so I think this is part of a general trend. It's interesting that
00:46:24.320it's happening in far-flung corners of the earth, like Iceland, where in fact, I think Catholics
00:46:29.540still only make up about four percent of the population. But of course, you know, this is not
00:46:34.560something that's unique to the Catholic Church. This is also a debate that's been had in many
00:46:39.520different denominations. And of course, it's not yet a debate that's spread to the Muslim world,
00:46:44.620one does not hesitate to point out. But I think in this particular instance, the most interesting
00:46:51.740thing aside from the story is that, of course, Catholicism is beginning to grow even in places
00:46:57.200like Iceland which have traditionally been very secular um of course formerly Lutheran country but
00:47:02.400now uh secular to the point of in fact um trying to purge Down syndrome children through total
00:47:09.640eugenic abortion well let's um have a look at this case in a little more detail because we're
00:47:18.400not dealing with any backwater parish priest here we're talking about the chancellor of the
00:47:26.740the church the Catholic Church in Iceland Father Jacob Rowland who gave an
00:47:33.080interview with the state broadcaster RUV that started speaking about the
00:47:38.480church's position on LGBT issues and therefore the the Reykjavik police as
00:47:46.740the Reykjavik's the capital as I'm sure the war in posse is very well familiar
00:47:51.080with of Iceland announced that they are going to be examining the priests
00:47:55.980remarks and deciding whether to launch a criminal, formal criminal
00:48:01.480investigation. And specifically when Father Roland was asked whether he feels
00:48:07.380compelled to follow the law on these matters because back in 2023 the
00:48:13.460Iceland Parliament passed a statute banning conversion therapy of LGBT
00:48:20.860individuals father Rowland said yes and he does feel compelled to follow the law
00:48:26.720as long as the law aligns with God's laws it has been known in law from the
00:48:35.300very beginning that when the laws of the land and God's laws conflict God's laws
00:48:40.360apply so that's a very clear case I think of courageous witness on behalf of this
00:48:47.520priest my question to you is are you aware of any interventions now that that
00:48:54.720was as a Chancellor of the church in in Iceland I presume of the diocese they
00:49:01.720must I don't know how many dioceses there are in Iceland but are you aware
00:49:06.600of any maneuvers on behalf of the Holy See diplomatically to come in to defend
00:49:12.360father roland and his courageous position on this well i've certainly seen nothing in the way of a
00:49:19.220press statement nor will i hold my breath on that front but i i think that um that there has been a
00:49:25.820significant response online um it reminds me of the case of a finnish uh mp who also stood up for
00:49:33.120the biblical definition of marriage um a few years ago and ended up actually um with the state trying
00:49:39.480to put her in prison. So we've got a similar kind of status of someone who's trying to stand up for
00:49:47.240their faith and will probably be at least visited by the authorities in due course. Now that's of
00:49:53.940course where one would hope that the church will step in if that does happen at some point and I
00:49:58.900think I would expect at least certain bishops to start speaking out even if there's nothing from
00:50:04.140the latent hierarchy in rome so all of the trad inc brigade who have been pushing the line just
00:50:10.960give to the war room now give um give leo a chance don't don't box him in and this will be something
00:50:17.660for all catholics who are interested in these issues to be following closely to see exactly
00:50:23.100what position the vatican takes on this of course taking no position whatsoever is taking a position
00:50:29.200in and of itself right yeah i think he may be too much trapped in a large block of ice somewhere to
00:50:35.920be able to reach out at this time as long as he's blessing the block of ice and that will be fine
00:50:41.580folks that's all we have time for today uh jenny holland you're very active on you're both very
00:50:49.180active on social media uh why don't you just quickly remind us where people can get hold of
00:50:54.380your writings as you attempt to save culture from itself yes i am on substack at jenny e holland
00:51:04.320dot substack dot com and on youtube at saving culture from itself and you're going to be back
00:51:11.320next wednesday are you not to give us the the briefing the debriefing on what happens with
00:51:17.400fox's program on uh on women in genesis i'm in the uk i don't know when it's going to be released
00:51:23.660here but yes if i can i absolutely will joseph robertson social media you can find me on uh
00:51:32.300at jr types both on substack and x and joseph robertson uk on instagram um and yep stay tuned
00:51:40.160i will be in the us again uh next week actually so may meet some of you at cpac us if any of you
00:51:46.440of that fantastic um catch you all next wednesday that's all we've got time for folks thanks to
00:51:53.860cameron wallace our producer and to wendell who's been holding the the fort marvelously
00:51:58.880throughout this one hour transmission steve will be back in the chair 10 a.m tomorrow god bless for
00:52:03.500if a major disruption happened and you couldn't get to the store how long do you think you could
00:52:18.800last with what's in your house right now if it's anything less than a month you need to check out
00:52:25.380our friends at my patriot supply they're america's number one preparedness company
00:52:30.280with over 3 million satisfied customers.
00:52:33.960And right now, when you go to preparewithbannon.com,