Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 977： On The Strange Silence From Some Evangelicals About Jewish Persecution Of Christians In The Holy Land

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00:00:48.100 Friday 27th of March, Anno Domini, 2026.

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00:01:04.420 And something very significant took place in the UK last week,

00:01:08.620 and I'm delighted that Peter Kearney from the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children,

00:01:14.460 SPUC, Spuck, as it's popularly known in the UK, joins us to help digest this vote in the House of Lords to do with the clause 28 of a policing bill.

00:01:29.300 Well, Peter, thanks for coming on the show. This was specifically to do with the prosecution of women and the clause 208 says that women will not be prosecuted basically at any point regarding any motive to do with abortions.

00:01:47.680 Obviously, doctors and the medical profession involved in that might still be prosecuted if this takes place over, I think, the 24-week deadline.

00:01:58.580 There has been some reference to this in the Catholic press, the UK Catholic press, but very little in the domestic mainstream media.

00:02:09.760 I think it has massive ramifications. Why don't you just tell us what the bill was?

00:02:13.560 I know when it was passing through the House of Commons, it had like a 46 minute debate late at night and people think that it was deliberately designed that way so that it could be hijacked by the pro-choice lobby, as indeed it was done.

00:02:31.020 Tell us a bit more about what the bill is seeking to do, why the 208 amendment clause is so important and whether this really does basically provide a backdoor approach to legislating for abortions up to the point of birth.

00:02:51.800 yes it does is the short answer to that first of all it's good to be with you

00:02:58.320 ben um and i think there's a lot to unpack here and i think you're right it hasn't had the media

00:03:04.500 coverage it hasn't had the attention that it deserves it is a disastrously bad result

00:03:10.220 horrific actually whichever way you slice it um for the benefit of your viewers uh to give a bit

00:03:16.200 of context here there was a vote in the house of lords last wednesday that was the 18th of

00:03:21.780 March. And again, for the benefit of them perhaps, the House of Lords is the upper chamber of the UK

00:03:29.020 Parliament. It's a two-chamber parliament. It's also completely unelected. That might be something

00:03:34.460 that a lot of people in other countries find strange. Frankly, a lot of people in this country

00:03:39.040 find it strange as well. But it's an unelected chamber of appointees. Mostly they're political

00:03:44.820 appointees. Some are there on the hereditary principle. They are peers, they are titled

00:03:51.680 individuals. And another group that are in there, again unusual, is the bishops of the Anglican

00:03:58.980 Church. Bishops of the Church of England, a number of them sit in the House of Lords as well. So

00:04:04.360 that's the background. There are over 800 members. And you spoke about the debate in the lower

00:04:10.460 chamber, that was the House of Commons, lasting some 46 minutes, which most people quite rightly 0.99

00:04:15.840 said was appalling and ridiculous. How on earth can you deal with any sort of legislation as 0.93

00:04:20.600 enormous as this in such a short time? In the case of the House of Lords, it only lasted for

00:04:27.180 two hours. And I should say within the two hours, this provision was a small part of that.

00:04:33.040 So as I say, there are over 800 members of the House of Lords, but only around 300 even turned

00:04:37.680 up for the vote last week. And of that 300, 185 voted for this provision and 148 voted against.

00:04:47.020 Also unusual, this was an amendment to a crime and policing bill. So this piece of legislation

00:04:54.160 wasn't actually or specifically about abortion. It wasn't about time limits. It wasn't about life

00:05:00.720 issues in general. It was about crime and it was about policing. And an individual member of

00:05:06.580 Parliament tagged on this amendment. And the amendment was to decriminalise abortion in any

00:05:14.220 situation under any circumstances. So no woman would ever be investigated for aborting her own

00:05:21.200 child at any point in the pregnancy. There's an important point here to mention that this was the

00:05:27.320 crime and policing bill. Do you think the government here has allowed in this situation

00:05:35.700 this clause 208 to be tacked onto this in order to get the end result but to do it in a very

00:05:44.340 roundabout means to distract people um because largely the british public would not be whilst

00:05:50.840 the british public i think it's fair to say has a consensus view now towards the need for abortion

00:05:56.860 at some point in the in the gestation period the almost i think the late figures i saw were

00:06:02.940 massively against like 70-80% against abortion up until the point of birth. Do you think they've

00:06:11.400 designed it this way in order to get this through under the general distraction because of the

00:06:18.400 ideological? Yeah, absolutely, without question. So there's absolutely no question this has been

00:06:25.080 tagged on, it's been tucked in, it's been, if you like, hidden within a bigger bill and passed

00:06:30.140 through. Because you're also right, there is absolutely no public appetite for this and there

00:06:36.200 is no public agreement with it. SPUC, my organisation, carried out some polling last

00:06:43.600 year. And what we found on the question of abortion up to birth, just 1% of the population

00:06:50.940 agree with that proposition, that a woman should be allowed to abort her child up to the point of 1.00

00:06:56.140 birth, 1%. No party had this in its manifesto. No party claims this as policy. But yes, this was

00:07:03.560 put in. If I can use an analogy or a comparison, this is exactly the tactic that the current

00:07:11.000 British government used on the topic of assisted suicide. You might know there has been an assisted

00:07:16.800 suicide bill also making its way through the British Parliament, but not as a government

00:07:22.120 bill, not sponsored by the government. Again, the Labour Party who are in government at the moment

00:07:27.360 did not have assisted suicide in their manifesto at the last election. They did not say they were

00:07:33.720 going to try and enact an assisted suicide law. But what they did was they allowed a Labour

00:07:38.560 backbench MP, Kim Leadbeater, time and support to put a private member's bill into Parliament

00:07:46.680 pushing for assisted suicide. So yes, there is an element here of deceit and of subterfuge where

00:07:54.140 some of these incredibly progressive pieces of wild social and political liberalism are being

00:08:02.180 pushed onto the parliamentary agenda in a very, very underhand way. And it's important to remember

00:08:08.680 that there isn't public support for this. Now, there has been some discussion around whether or

00:08:14.100 this constitutes legalisation. Some people have said, for example, in the UK and the European

00:08:19.600 media, but it's not legalising abortion, it's only decriminalising it. I would argue that's

00:08:25.700 a point of utter and complete semantics. If the law is changed, for example, to decriminalise

00:08:31.800 car theft, and I come along and I steal your car, and I know I can steal your car because that is

00:08:38.760 no longer a crime to steal a car. There is no substantive difference between that and the

00:08:44.380 government legalising car theft. Either way, I've got your car, you've lost your car, and I will not

00:08:50.360 pay any penalty. I think, yeah, the semantics are important, or at least the way they are used

00:08:59.820 and manipulate to shape public opinion, especially when people aren't sort of getting

00:09:04.860 into the philosophical details here and most people you know i see that there's um it's been

00:09:09.760 reported there are about 100 or so prosecutions or pseudo prosecutions or police inquiries of women

00:09:16.180 who have been involved in the abortions of their mothers who've been involved in the abortions of

00:09:21.120 their own children um over the 24 week limit um and i and people would think some people would

00:09:28.820 think you know perhaps um whilst i i'm against the idea of abortion up to the point of birth

00:09:36.780 i'm hesitant that that mothers should be prosecuted for it but then just to follow the the philosophical

00:09:42.620 point further and it's not even i mean there are there's obviously a religious basis to the

00:09:47.240 argument but it's there's also a very strong secular philosophical argument as well that's

00:09:52.280 that is just as convincing and there and it's this well okay then if you think mothers shouldn't be

00:09:58.660 prosecuted for aborting their their their children their babies at the nine-month period

00:10:05.660 just before birth what about killing their their babies a couple of days after birth

00:10:11.520 and then of course people say well hang on okay you know um that's clearly wrong but there's

00:10:16.520 really no difference because once you've um unleashed the argument when you once you freed

00:10:23.120 the argument from any basis around viability and said we'll allow abortions beyond that,

00:10:31.280 beyond viability, then the argument is philosophically, it's pretty much the same.

00:10:35.920 Whether the baby is on this side of the womb or on that side of the womb, this is a viable

00:10:40.960 human life, right? Yeah, absolutely. It's a continuum, of course. It's absurd to suddenly

00:10:46.560 draw these arbitrary distinctions, whether it be 24 weeks, which is the current UK legal limit.

00:10:52.640 And by the way, it's worth focusing on that just for a moment.

00:10:56.420 The UK at the moment allows abortion for effectively any reason up to 24 weeks.

00:11:02.100 That is an outlier.

00:11:04.900 Certainly in the European context, the norm, the average across the rest of Europe would be about half that number, about 12 or 14 weeks.

00:11:12.240 So you cannot say that abortion laws are not extremely liberal within the UK at the moment.

00:11:19.900 So the argument that there is some sort of restriction or hindrance simply doesn't hold

00:11:24.720 any water. But no, you're absolutely right. We know that the viability of extremely pre-term

00:11:31.540 babies is increasing all the time. So if a child can survive at 22 or 23 weeks, which can happen

00:11:38.780 and which does happen, then what is the difference between a child that was born very early at that

00:11:44.680 age and a child that went to full term 40 weeks and was born? What is the difference? It's a

00:11:49.640 continuum then. We aren't talking about abortion really in this context. We should be honest and

00:11:55.000 we should be frank. We're talking about infanticide. That's what this has become. We're

00:11:59.620 talking about the deliberate taking of viable life. Now, frankly, the viability isn't really

00:12:05.500 the most substantive issue here, because if we use viability as a standard, then by that

00:12:10.700 mechanism or by that metric, a person who's being sustained on a life support system and

00:12:16.500 isn't viable, then their life counts for nothing either. So it isn't the standard. But it is used

00:12:21.180 in this debate, and it's used wrongly, and it's used very, very misleadingly. Because what we're

00:12:26.640 talking about here is, without question, as close as you can get, if not an actual case of infanticide.

00:12:32.820 And I should also say on the question of prosecutions, number one, the police having a

00:12:37.340 legal requirement to investigate and look into this does not, on hardly any occasion, ever lead

00:12:43.220 to a prosecution. Prosecutions of women are vanishingly rare. In the one recent case where

00:12:49.620 there was actually a successful prosecution, I think the sentence was somewhere like 30 or 40

00:12:54.280 days. So we're not talking about very, very strict implementation of this or women being sent to

00:13:01.720 prison and spending years in prison. The prosecution service and the police do take a very broad view

00:13:06.840 of this but it's the principle that matters um you said something just a moment or so ago that

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00:16:36.280 back with peter kearney at the society for the protection of unborn children so let's look at

00:16:43.060 this on the first half of the show we just spoke about the the fact that this is backdoor

00:16:49.260 legalization of abortion up to birth the second point i'd like to discuss with you is that this

00:16:56.740 is also a backdoor legalization now of gender selective abortion just a few words if you

00:17:02.620 Woodman Peter, to our audience, what is gender selective abortion and why did the government

00:17:09.600 prohibit it? Well, legally it is permitted, sorry, legally it is prohibited. Within the Abortion Act,

00:17:18.520 which by the way was passed in 1967 in the UK and has been in force ever since, abortion was 0.66

00:17:24.200 supposed to be very tightly controlled and very tightly regulated. The reality has been the exact

00:17:29.520 opposite. It is very, very permissive. One of the grounds which it is prohibited is for the

00:17:37.560 gender selection of the child. So even though parents might say they'd rather have a boy than

00:17:42.500 a girl, that's not valid grounds, at least not in law, for them to have an abortion. However, 1.00

00:17:48.560 in reality, it is. And we know for a fact that the number of baby girls aborted is significantly

00:17:55.820 higher than the number of baby boys. And we know in some communities it varies from community to

00:18:01.200 community. In some ethnic communities where the birth of a boy is prized more than the birth of

00:18:07.240 a girl, where in effect the value of a boy is higher than a girl, we see higher than average

00:18:13.540 abortions of baby girls. Now, we're all familiar with China's notorious one-child policy, which

00:18:21.120 stood for decades. And one of the outworkings of that was a massive population disparity,

00:18:27.200 which China is coming to terms with now, where there are far more young men than there are 0.76

00:18:33.280 young marriage age women. And this is a significant problem for China. Now, that's the current, 0.58

00:18:39.220 if you like, ramifications or result of that. The real result was the mass deaths, the genocidal

00:18:47.940 level deaths of a whole generation of young women in China. And the danger is that we're opening 0.96

00:18:54.180 the door to that here. And it's important also, Ben, to point out that there was a second issue

00:18:59.460 voted on in that notorious House of Lords vote last week. And that was the question of pills by

00:19:05.580 post. Viewers in other countries will be familiar with this, male order pills or pharmaceutical or

00:19:11.540 telemedicine. It's called a number of different names, but it's all the same thing. It's where

00:19:15.320 a woman can have abortion pills delivered to her home where she takes them at home. Now once you 1.00

00:19:22.300 move to that sort of system, and the UK is moving rapidly towards that system at the moment, more

00:19:27.460 than 70% of abortions are carried out via pills sent to a home, you lose all controls. You use

00:19:35.460 controls over gestation level, so the 24-week limit becomes effectively meaningless. You lose

00:19:42.200 all other legal controls, particularly in the context of this discussion, whether or not the

00:19:47.280 gender of the child has been a consideration, the unborn child. And so what's happened here is,

00:19:53.700 first of all, decriminalisation, which is bad enough. And second of all, the embedding of the

00:19:59.200 pills by post policy, which was, by the way, a COVID era, supposedly short term emergency measure,

00:20:06.660 which has now become completely and utterly built in to the health care system, as it's called here,

00:20:12.580 so that pills will be the normal way that abortions are delivered in the UK going forward.

00:20:18.820 And as you can imagine, if all it requires is for a woman to phone and ask for the pills 0.98

00:20:24.140 and then say she's asking on grounds that are legally valid, for example, her mental health,

00:20:30.900 then the issue of gender won't even come up.

00:20:34.040 And if it does come up in the context of a phone call, then there's no reason why truth should be told and the pills shouldn't be asked for anyway.

00:20:41.720 We are aware of studies where people phoned pill providers and gave completely fictitious reasons and were sent the pills anyway.

00:20:50.420 So I expect what we will see is a growth in the number of self-selection for sex of children, unborn children in the future.

00:21:01.600 And that is being facilitated by this policy. The policy that, first of all, it's easy to obtain the pills, no questions will be asked. And second of all, even if what you've done, something illegal, does come to light, you're decriminalised anyway. Therefore, you have carte blanche to do it.

00:21:18.100 it's important here to tie these points together because that's really how you get the position

00:21:25.440 that spook have been highlighting here that this is legislation via the back door for for abortion

00:21:31.960 up to the point of death even though of course the authorities are saying no no no no it's not

00:21:35.880 but it is because if you're going to give send abortion pills to her to mothers at home um and

00:21:43.440 Therefore, there will be no health professionals there to be prosecuted.

00:21:48.120 You are effectively allowing the abortion to take place at any point up until death.

00:21:53.820 Let me just come in with some of the statistics regarding the plight of gender selective abortion around the world.

00:22:00.060 And these figures are the UN's own figures, the United Nations Population Fund figures.

00:22:06.260 And the UN, for anyone who's ever been involved at any degree with the pro-life front at the international level, will know that the UN is a prime instigator of abortion as an element of population control, always sort of snuck in under sexual and reproductive health rights nomenclature.

00:22:27.020 So when they come up with these figures, there's going to be the lower edge.

00:22:32.160 But they're citing 142 million missing girls globally due to the practice of gender selective abortion for the reasons that you are highlighting.

00:22:42.340 So it is a thing. And it's a thing in the UK as well, because a lot of people from different ethnic communities have a preference for boys.

00:22:51.140 And just in the three or so, two and a half or so minutes that we have left, just tell me something whether you think the visibility of the Catholic Church and the Anglican Church has been high enough given the significance of this vote.

00:23:09.440 I noticed that the newly installed Archbishop of Canterbury used her position in the Lords to speak against this.

00:23:17.520 But I thought it was, I mean, of course, the Church of England isn't a particularly pro-life organisation.

00:23:22.180 I thought, I mean, she took the position, but it was slightly perfunctory, I thought, procedural.

00:23:27.080 Tell me there on the ground, do you think that the institutional Christian churches really raised their opposition to this,

00:23:36.120 to the level of importance, or was it simply just a little bit perfunctory and performative?

00:23:43.540 Well, I think it was a spectrum here of responses. First of all, in the pro-life sector in general,

00:23:50.900 as you'll probably be aware, SPUC is the oldest and it's the largest pro-life organisation,

00:23:56.240 not just in the UK, but in Europe, and the biggest also. And we definitely did mobilise

00:24:01.220 our supporters and our subscribers to contact members of the House of Lords, contact parliamentarians

00:24:07.600 and lobby against this. So a lot of work was done there. Within the institutional churches,

00:24:12.640 I think it probably would be fair to draw a distinction between them. I think the Catholic 0.99

00:24:17.780 Church was clear across the board. Its position on abortion is clear. It's unequivocal. I think

00:24:23.420 it's widely known and I think it's well known. But as I said to begin with, the Catholic Church

00:24:28.740 is not in the position of the established Church of England

00:24:31.900 in the sense that the Catholic bishops don't have votes here.

00:24:35.820 They don't sit in the House of Lords.

00:24:37.280 So in that regard, what the Catholic Church said,

00:24:40.180 what Catholic bishops and priests said,

00:24:41.840 really was on a par with what ordinary members of the public said.

00:24:45.700 And do also keep in mind, as I mentioned to begin with,

00:24:48.460 that the membership of the House of Lords are not elected.

00:24:51.340 So they're freed completely from the problems

00:24:54.400 that politicians around the world generally have to face,

00:24:56.920 and that is answering to their voters.

00:24:59.140 They don't have voters. 0.58

00:25:00.960 So that then brings us to the position of the established church,

00:25:04.520 the Church of England, and there are, as I say,

00:25:07.000 members of the Anglican bishops who also sit in the House of Lords

00:25:11.440 and have a vote.

00:25:12.420 You talked about the Archbishop of Canterbury.

00:25:15.240 You used the word perfunctory.

00:25:17.240 That probably is fair.

00:25:18.500 Other people have used that word.

00:25:19.980 In fact, there was some controversy on the day of the vote

00:25:23.500 because it appeared to begin with as if the Archbishop

00:25:26.900 the new Archbishop of Canterbury, did not intend to attend the House of Lords and did not intend

00:25:31.720 to participate in the vote. And it was only because of a bit of a media outcry at her absence

00:25:37.780 that she belatedly decided she would attend and she would participate. Though I think it would be

00:25:44.020 fair to say, while she did point out that, and she voted against, I should say she voted against,

00:25:50.900 but I think a lot of people within the Anglican Church would have liked to hear a more ringing

00:25:56.840 denunciation of what happened rather than simply a straightforward objection i'll tell you this

00:26:04.980 peter if the um if the uk government were to ever pass legislation insisting on the immediate

00:26:11.040 removal of all illegals um in the uk then you will see the the christian churches come in

00:26:18.720 rolling up their sleeves and fighting as if they really did believe in it that's what i mean when

00:26:23.300 i say perfunctory so we've got time for peter kenny thanks for coming on and telling us a little

00:26:28.680 bit about the society for the protection of unborn children's work on this issue very quickly where

00:26:33.760 do people go on social media to to keep uh abreast of what you're working on probably easiest place

00:26:40.640 to find us is just spuc.tv there you go folks spuc.tv um great organization i worked with

00:26:51.600 closely with them 30 years ago when I worked in the UK Parliament, couldn't compliment them more

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00:32:02.960 After a two-year pause, Christmas has returned to Bethlehem.

00:32:08.060 Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus,

00:32:10.000 is home to the world's oldest Christian community.

00:32:16.180 These Christian communities are being pushed out by illegal Israeli settlements.

00:32:21.180 They literally hate Christians more than anything else in the world. 0.99

00:32:26.180 We have to fight oppression as a Christian duty.

00:32:29.180 22 Israeli settlements around us.

00:32:32.180 150,000 Israeli settlers surrounding Bethlehem from all sides, north, south, west and east.

00:32:38.180 We have control or limited control as Palestinians over less than 13% of Bethlehem.

00:32:46.180 the ruins of the Church of St. George.

00:32:49.620 But on Monday, they became the target of an alleged arson attack

00:32:53.960 at the hands of illegal settlers.

00:32:56.360 More than half of the town's territory has become a target for illegal settlement.

00:33:02.540 If this continues, there will be no Christians in Bethlehem.

00:33:06.980 We need to keep reminding the world in a time when Palestinians are sadly many times dehumanised

00:33:13.520 to the extent that when our children are killed and start,

00:33:17.600 it's justified in political terms.

00:33:20.720 Save West Bank Christians before it's too late. 0.99

00:33:24.540 Find out more at savewestbankchristians.org.

00:33:33.520 Welcome back.

00:33:34.600 Well, we're now joined with Jason Jones.

00:33:37.960 Jason, I think we were last on the show together on Christmas Eve

00:33:42.860 when you were broadcasting from, was it Manger Square?

00:33:47.820 I was broadcasting from St. Peter's Piazza

00:33:52.240 and Steve was tying it all together.

00:33:55.560 That was a great show.

00:33:56.520 And I remember, I think you had the local pastor there.

00:34:01.220 I think many people watching that short video,

00:34:05.980 especially folks who follow the war room,

00:34:09.180 We'll be slightly surprised by the fact, because it doesn't really get any attention at all on US television, slightly surprised by the fact that Christians, Palestinian Christians on the West Bank are under a particularly heavy form of persecution right now.

00:34:30.560 We're going to be talking about some of the US figures as well in the second part of this half.

00:34:37.440 But first of all, right now, what I wanted to ask you following on from that video, it is your thesis that West Bank settlers hate Christians most in the world, even more than they hate Muslims.

00:34:51.720 That would surprise a lot of people. Just tell me a little bit about that, if you wouldn't mind, and the general background of the work that you're doing with the Vulnerable People Project to highlight this situation.

00:35:06.780 really to the United States

00:35:09.180 where political power

00:35:10.860 ought to be concentrating a little bit more.

00:35:14.840 Ben, first of all,

00:35:16.020 thanks for having me on your show.

00:35:17.460 And it was great.

00:35:18.760 That Christmas special to me

00:35:20.240 was one of the highlights of our work here

00:35:21.940 in 23 years at the Vulnerable People Project

00:35:24.080 live from Bethlehem

00:35:26.360 to share the plight of truly

00:35:28.200 the most vulnerable Christian community in the world,

00:35:30.520 which is the oldest Christian community in the world,

00:35:32.500 those Catholic and Orthodox Christians

00:35:34.660 in the West Bank

00:35:35.920 and Gaza. And it was something that was very surprising to me when I first started going to

00:35:42.160 the West Bank and to Israel and meeting with the Christian communities. And you can hear it from

00:35:46.580 the settlers' own mouths that they have a special disdain for Christians more than they despise 0.97

00:35:51.660 Muslims. And they really are so heavily propagandized. I have friends that are settlers 0.96

00:35:56.400 in the West Bank, friends that are settlers that I know from my work in Hollywood and in Washington,

00:36:02.420 D.C., who really believe they have a right to the land that the ancient Christian communities hold.

00:36:09.960 They fear those Christian communities, and they give them no quarter. They spit on priests. They 0.95

00:36:17.560 spit on nuns. This young woman you heard in the video, Alice Kasia, her homes have been destroyed

00:36:22.720 multiple times. She has been beaten and then arrested for defending herself just in this year

00:36:28.560 alone, 2026, 10 Christians have been killed in the West Bank. And we've seen brutal attacks

00:36:35.340 on the only 100% Christian village left in the West Bank, Taipei. We've seen brutal attacks

00:36:41.000 almost every single day. And although President Trump has said that these settlements are illegal

00:36:46.880 and need to stop, just in the past couple of months, Israel has approved a new settlement

00:36:53.080 called Shtemah, where they will destroy 11,000 predominantly Christian homes to make way for 1.00

00:36:58.820 settlers, this would effectively be the end of the Christian community in Bethlehem and in the

00:37:06.440 shepherd's field. And this is, it would be really tragic to see the oldest Christian community in 0.98

00:37:13.480 the world erased before our very eyes. Now, due to something like 1%, I think. 0.56

00:37:23.080 One of the reasons I wanted folks to see that video that I think was made just in the run up to Christmas of last year is there's a scene halfway in there that will surprise a lot of this audience.

00:37:37.540 It's only there for about two seconds, but you basically see a group of Orthodox Jews guys walking down and spitting at the Christian religious sisters in their wearing habits as they're walking past them. 0.58

00:37:51.800 As I said in my introduction, that will surprise people because it's not the general message of what's being communicated in the shaping of US opinion, which is sort of massively in favour towards Israel and Israeli expansion.

00:38:14.460 Just give me like two minutes, if you wouldn't mind, and explain.

00:38:18.520 Was that a one-off, or does that sort of thing happen frequently to Christians on the West Bank?

00:38:25.160 It happens to the indigenous Christian community every day, and being spit on is just the tip of the iceberg.

00:38:31.720 They're murdered. They're raped. Their homes are stolen from them. 0.99

00:38:36.140 They're in prison. We just saw a one-year-old baby this week that was released, tortured in front of his father by the IDF.

00:38:43.220 There hasn't been a prosecution of a settler that's assaulted or murdered a Palestinian in the West Bank since 2020.

00:38:51.840 So in six years of relentless assaults and murders, there hasn't been a single settler charged or prosecuted.

00:38:59.580 Yet if the Palestinians so much as raise their hand in defense of themselves, they can be shot or prosecuted for assault.

00:39:08.600 And it is something that's shocking to most American Christians who have been told that Israel is our greatest ally.

00:39:14.140 But spitting on Christians is something that they believe that they have to do, I guess, from the Talmud is a religious duty. 0.98

00:39:21.240 Now, to be fair, to be fair, when you go to most places in Israel, you know, you go to Haifa, you can see Palestinians and you can see Israelis.

00:39:30.460 You see Druze, Christians, Jews and Muslims living together in peace and harmony.

00:39:36.280 but there are these radical Zionists that hold to a brutal ethno-nationalist apartheid ideology

00:39:45.260 that sees Christians and Palestinians as unworthy of basic human rights and protections.

00:39:52.640 I tell you, Jason, what I see here is knowing how strongly the American public feels about its support of Israel,

00:40:04.320 I see a tremendous opportunity here for, basically I think your organization is the only one that I'm aware of that's speaking out for Christians, for the evangelical lobby in the United States to say our support of the state of Israel is not under question here,

00:40:24.460 but to use the political weight that US evangelicals have to intervene here directly in the protection of West Bank Christians,

00:40:35.200 because otherwise there are too many serious questions that will need to be asked about evangelical leadership itself and the institutional silence.

00:40:44.580 And we're going to be discussing that in just a few minutes more with Jason Jones, president of the Vulnerable People Project.

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00:42:41.860 All right. Back now with Jason Jones.

00:42:44.740 So what caught my eye then just a couple of days ago is that the Auxiliary Bishop of Jerusalem, Bishop William Shamali, was speaking with EWTN News, the Eternal World Television Network, the largest religious broadcaster in the world,

00:43:06.540 in which he was indicating the plight that Palestinian Christians have.

00:43:13.820 He's explicitly used the word aggression that they're suffering, that Palestinian Christians are suffering.

00:43:24.260 And what caught my eye specifically, and I'm quoting him literally, is that he said,

00:43:29.360 And we communicated this news to all the world, even to the American ambassador in Tel Aviv, who came to visit and he promised to do something.

00:43:39.720 But not many things were done. And that's the bishop of the auxiliary bishop of Jerusalem.

00:43:45.260 When he's talking about the U.S. ambassador to Tel Aviv, he's obviously talking about Ambassador Mike Huckabee.

00:43:51.180 And I think he might have relocated to Jerusalem. I expect he would have done. 1.00

00:43:54.620 Now, that really did surprise me because Mike Huckabee is a well-known face.

00:44:02.640 I think he's a pastor, right?

00:44:04.420 Big evangelical voice.

00:44:08.080 He's there.

00:44:09.060 He's been there.

00:44:09.680 He's been shown what's happened by the bishop on the ground, and yet he has done absolutely nothing.

00:44:15.820 Could you help clear up the confusion in my mind why that might possibly be the case?

00:44:22.880 You know, Ben, I'm shocked and disappointed by Ambassador Huckabee. In fact, I was in the West Bank when he was named ambassador. I've known Mike Huckabee since 2006, 2007. He's someone that I've admired. I thought of him as a godly and sincere man.

00:44:40.920 And I understood that he held, I'm a Catholic, and I understood that he held to a dispensationalist theology of Christian Zionism.

00:44:47.860 But I also thought of him as a very sincere and humane Christian.

00:44:51.380 And I thought as ambassador, when he sees the intelligence briefings and the reports, when he really begins to understand what's happening on the ground in Gaza and on the ground in the West Bank as a Christian man, you know, he will speak up.

00:45:04.400 But I have to say he's been shockingly disappointing, not just on the West Bank.

00:45:11.340 You know, I was sitting a few rows behind him at midnight mass at the Church of the Nativity just an hour or so after we did our Christmas Eve broadcast.

00:45:23.060 And when Sarah saw me, she whispered to her father, Jason Jones, is behind us, and they both rolled their eyes.

00:45:27.720 So clearly they weren't happy with our reporting of the crimes of the state of Israel against the oldest Christian community in the West, in the world that's situated in the West Bank.

00:45:38.700 But it's not just Ambassador Huckabee. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson went to the West Bank.

00:45:43.840 He didn't visit the Palestinian Christian communities, which descend from those Christians that were in the upper room.

00:45:52.300 Those families have been there since the first century and before the first century.

00:45:57.720 But who did the Speaker of the House go to meet with? He went to meet with the settlers, the ones that were committing the brutal acts of terrorism against this Christian community. And as a Catholic, as a Christian, it is a little heartbreaking to see a sincere evangelical Christian like Huckabee, like Mike Huckabee, just sit on his hands and close his eyes and pretend not to know what's going on.

00:46:21.020 And he knows very well what's going on.

00:46:22.920 I'd like to see him brought before Congress and asked under oath if he saw signs of war crimes or famine in Gaza.

00:46:31.420 He returned from Gaza and said he saw no famine.

00:46:34.000 He saw no evidence of war crimes.

00:46:35.520 But I know people that were with him on the ground and said they were shocked at the press conference that Huckabee held with Witkoff after that visit because they were right next to him.

00:46:45.320 And he clearly saw evidence of famine and severe hunger.

00:46:49.320 And he also saw evidence of war crimes. And so I'd like to see him ask. And I pray to God one day he has to answer those questions under oath.

00:47:00.120 I noticed that there's a convent of religious sisters, right, just outside of Bethlehem, of all places of symbolism here.

00:47:11.980 and their little acre of plot of land

00:47:16.360 where they were growing olives and what have you.

00:47:18.800 This is according to Bishop Shmali.

00:47:20.580 It says that the Israeli West Bank settlers

00:47:23.020 have basically taken, commandeered the monastery,

00:47:27.500 the convent and its land.

00:47:29.020 And this isn't just to a religious community of nuns.

00:47:31.720 They're doing this to Christian families as well.

00:47:35.900 Now, you know, we should get you on again

00:47:39.920 and talk about the wider issues here because in the two or so minutes left there isn't time

00:47:45.620 but and i don't want to put words into your mouth but it would seem to me that by some

00:47:52.540 evangelicals are more interested in promoting zionism within evangelicalism than they are 0.73

00:48:02.120 interested in speaking out and you know talking about actual christians who are trying to live 0.52

00:48:09.800 a faithful life to Jesus Christ. And that would indicate to me somewhat a badly ordered hierarchy

00:48:17.700 of priorities there. Is that fair, Jason Jones? Yeah, I would say that this small sect of

00:48:24.620 evangelical Christianity is dying. It's died in Gaza. This sensationalist theology has died in 1.00

00:48:30.740 Gaza. It's not going to continue past the boomer generation that still clings to it today. We see 1.00

00:48:35.940 young evangelicals flocking to the Catholic and Orthodox Church because they're horrified

00:48:40.800 by their parents and their pastors advocating ethno-nationalist apartheid states and genocide.

00:48:48.160 So yeah, I think that it's quite sorrowful. I'd like to see the USCCB and Catholic bishops like

00:48:53.580 Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan raise their voice for the Christians in the West Bank instead of

00:48:58.680 attacking heroes like Carrie Prejean-Bowler, who's been a vocal advocate for the Palestinian

00:49:05.620 Christians, even though she began all this process as a committed Christian Zionist herself.

00:49:11.560 But Ben, as you said, we cannot look away.

00:49:14.660 We cannot look away from the atrocities that the state of Israel is committing. 0.99

00:49:19.240 Settlers, with the protection of the IDF, are burning down Christian farms, slaughtering 1.00

00:49:24.440 their animals, destroying their homes, raping and assaulting Christians, including nuns. 0.99

00:49:31.060 And we have Mike Huckabee, who met with Jonathan Pollard, a convicted spy, a notorious spy, 0.96

00:49:38.480 not making a committed effort to meeting with the Palestinian Christian community in the West Bank.

00:49:44.880 And I would mention Israel is not allowing the Christian children in Gaza to leave for

00:49:49.580 their cancer treatments, the children with cancer. I mean, to me, this is absolutely

00:49:53.260 unbelievable that this administration isn't saying to Israel, let those children get their 0.82

00:49:59.120 cancer treatments and stop the Ecclesiast side of the oldest Christian community in the world in 0.99

00:50:04.200 Bethlehem. You mentioned, because we've got about 60 seconds left, you mentioned that Mike and Sarah

00:50:10.840 Huckabee, that they rolled their eyes when they saw you just sitting behind them. You're obviously

00:50:18.380 taking a heroic position here to defend the plight of christians on the on the west bank

00:50:26.020 what is the general position within institutional christianity in the united states towards your

00:50:33.400 apostolate here and the and what you're doing how much support do you actually get in this

00:50:39.260 or just basically nobody nobody wants to hear what you're saying um because it's just too

00:50:44.880 uncomfortable i get a lot of people whispering to me including bishops and cardinals thank you for

00:50:51.360 your courage and i wish they didn't feel like they had to whisper you know but this is whether

00:50:57.560 you're standing up to the ccp the institutional church isn't speaking about the 10 catholic 0.99

00:51:02.900 bishops that have been disappeared jimmy lie has effectively a death sentence and we you know so

00:51:08.380 when or in india the hindu the hindu nationalists have destroyed 300 churches in one state we see

00:51:13.840 silence. So whether it's the state of Israel, the CCP, the power elite in India, it seems like

00:51:21.460 it's hard to find their voice. But at the Vulnerable People Project, I founded this

00:51:25.260 organization in 2002 specifically to stand with those communities that it takes courage to

00:51:31.960 advocate for. And when the Calvary shows up, when everyone shows up, we leave like the Lone Ranger

00:51:40.180 to the next vulnerable community to advocate for.

00:51:42.720 And we're heartened to see that on October 18th,

00:51:46.920 after the horrible terrorist attack of October 7th,

00:51:50.200 when St. Porforius Church was bombed by Israel

00:51:53.540 and we spoke up against this, we were alone.

00:51:57.500 But over the past two years,

00:51:59.860 we've seen the conservative movement wake up

00:52:01.840 to the reality and beauty and grandeur and dignity

00:52:05.520 of the Palestinian people

00:52:07.280 and the Palestinian Christian community specifically.

00:52:10.580 Jason Jones from the Vulnerable People Project.

00:52:13.520 That's all we have time for.

00:52:14.520 Very quickly, I'll do it myself.

00:52:17.100 SaveWestBankChristians.com.

00:52:18.280 Go there right away and give your support.

00:52:20.520 It's a great organization.

00:52:21.660 Thanks, Jason, for coming on the show.

00:52:23.180 All we have time for, my thanks to Will and Spencer,

00:52:25.940 Real America's Voice, and Vittorio Santifranco,

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Bannon's War Room - March 27, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 977： On The Strange Silence From Some Evangelicals About Jewish Persecution Of Christians In The Holy Land

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