00:00:20.000I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000Megamedia. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.700Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
00:00:41.660this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:48.100Friday 27th of March, Anno Domini, 2026.
00:01:00.740Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.
00:01:04.420And something very significant took place in the UK last week,
00:01:08.620and I'm delighted that Peter Kearney from the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children,
00:01:14.460SPUC, Spuck, as it's popularly known in the UK, joins us to help digest this vote in the House of Lords to do with the clause 28 of a policing bill.
00:01:29.300Well, Peter, thanks for coming on the show. This was specifically to do with the prosecution of women and the clause 208 says that women will not be prosecuted basically at any point regarding any motive to do with abortions.
00:01:47.680Obviously, doctors and the medical profession involved in that might still be prosecuted if this takes place over, I think, the 24-week deadline.
00:01:58.580There has been some reference to this in the Catholic press, the UK Catholic press, but very little in the domestic mainstream media.
00:02:09.760I think it has massive ramifications. Why don't you just tell us what the bill was?
00:02:13.560I know when it was passing through the House of Commons, it had like a 46 minute debate late at night and people think that it was deliberately designed that way so that it could be hijacked by the pro-choice lobby, as indeed it was done.
00:02:31.020Tell us a bit more about what the bill is seeking to do, why the 208 amendment clause is so important and whether this really does basically provide a backdoor approach to legislating for abortions up to the point of birth.
00:02:51.800yes it does is the short answer to that first of all it's good to be with you
00:02:58.320ben um and i think there's a lot to unpack here and i think you're right it hasn't had the media
00:03:04.500coverage it hasn't had the attention that it deserves it is a disastrously bad result
00:03:10.220horrific actually whichever way you slice it um for the benefit of your viewers uh to give a bit
00:03:16.200of context here there was a vote in the house of lords last wednesday that was the 18th of
00:03:21.780March. And again, for the benefit of them perhaps, the House of Lords is the upper chamber of the UK
00:03:29.020Parliament. It's a two-chamber parliament. It's also completely unelected. That might be something
00:03:34.460that a lot of people in other countries find strange. Frankly, a lot of people in this country
00:03:39.040find it strange as well. But it's an unelected chamber of appointees. Mostly they're political
00:03:44.820appointees. Some are there on the hereditary principle. They are peers, they are titled
00:03:51.680individuals. And another group that are in there, again unusual, is the bishops of the Anglican
00:03:58.980Church. Bishops of the Church of England, a number of them sit in the House of Lords as well. So
00:04:04.360that's the background. There are over 800 members. And you spoke about the debate in the lower
00:04:10.460chamber, that was the House of Commons, lasting some 46 minutes, which most people quite rightly
00:04:15.840said was appalling and ridiculous. How on earth can you deal with any sort of legislation as
00:04:20.600enormous as this in such a short time? In the case of the House of Lords, it only lasted for
00:04:27.180two hours. And I should say within the two hours, this provision was a small part of that.
00:04:33.040So as I say, there are over 800 members of the House of Lords, but only around 300 even turned
00:04:37.680up for the vote last week. And of that 300, 185 voted for this provision and 148 voted against.
00:04:47.020Also unusual, this was an amendment to a crime and policing bill. So this piece of legislation
00:04:54.160wasn't actually or specifically about abortion. It wasn't about time limits. It wasn't about life
00:05:00.720issues in general. It was about crime and it was about policing. And an individual member of
00:05:06.580Parliament tagged on this amendment. And the amendment was to decriminalise abortion in any
00:05:14.220situation under any circumstances. So no woman would ever be investigated for aborting her own
00:05:21.200child at any point in the pregnancy. There's an important point here to mention that this was the
00:05:27.320crime and policing bill. Do you think the government here has allowed in this situation
00:05:35.700this clause 208 to be tacked onto this in order to get the end result but to do it in a very
00:05:44.340roundabout means to distract people um because largely the british public would not be whilst
00:05:50.840the british public i think it's fair to say has a consensus view now towards the need for abortion
00:05:56.860at some point in the in the gestation period the almost i think the late figures i saw were
00:06:02.940massively against like 70-80% against abortion up until the point of birth. Do you think they've
00:06:11.400designed it this way in order to get this through under the general distraction because of the
00:06:18.400ideological? Yeah, absolutely, without question. So there's absolutely no question this has been
00:06:25.080tagged on, it's been tucked in, it's been, if you like, hidden within a bigger bill and passed
00:06:30.140through. Because you're also right, there is absolutely no public appetite for this and there
00:06:36.200is no public agreement with it. SPUC, my organisation, carried out some polling last
00:06:43.600year. And what we found on the question of abortion up to birth, just 1% of the population
00:06:50.940agree with that proposition, that a woman should be allowed to abort her child up to the point of
00:06:56.140birth, 1%. No party had this in its manifesto. No party claims this as policy. But yes, this was
00:07:03.560put in. If I can use an analogy or a comparison, this is exactly the tactic that the current
00:07:11.000British government used on the topic of assisted suicide. You might know there has been an assisted
00:07:16.800suicide bill also making its way through the British Parliament, but not as a government
00:07:22.120bill, not sponsored by the government. Again, the Labour Party who are in government at the moment
00:07:27.360did not have assisted suicide in their manifesto at the last election. They did not say they were
00:07:33.720going to try and enact an assisted suicide law. But what they did was they allowed a Labour
00:07:38.560backbench MP, Kim Leadbeater, time and support to put a private member's bill into Parliament
00:07:46.680pushing for assisted suicide. So yes, there is an element here of deceit and of subterfuge where
00:07:54.140some of these incredibly progressive pieces of wild social and political liberalism are being
00:08:02.180pushed onto the parliamentary agenda in a very, very underhand way. And it's important to remember
00:08:08.680that there isn't public support for this. Now, there has been some discussion around whether or
00:08:14.100this constitutes legalisation. Some people have said, for example, in the UK and the European
00:08:19.600media, but it's not legalising abortion, it's only decriminalising it. I would argue that's
00:08:25.700a point of utter and complete semantics. If the law is changed, for example, to decriminalise
00:08:31.800car theft, and I come along and I steal your car, and I know I can steal your car because that is
00:08:38.760no longer a crime to steal a car. There is no substantive difference between that and the
00:08:44.380government legalising car theft. Either way, I've got your car, you've lost your car, and I will not
00:08:50.360pay any penalty. I think, yeah, the semantics are important, or at least the way they are used
00:08:59.820and manipulate to shape public opinion, especially when people aren't sort of getting
00:09:04.860into the philosophical details here and most people you know i see that there's um it's been
00:09:09.760reported there are about 100 or so prosecutions or pseudo prosecutions or police inquiries of women
00:09:16.180who have been involved in the abortions of their mothers who've been involved in the abortions of
00:09:21.120their own children um over the 24 week limit um and i and people would think some people would
00:09:28.820think you know perhaps um whilst i i'm against the idea of abortion up to the point of birth
00:09:36.780i'm hesitant that that mothers should be prosecuted for it but then just to follow the the philosophical
00:09:42.620point further and it's not even i mean there are there's obviously a religious basis to the
00:09:47.240argument but it's there's also a very strong secular philosophical argument as well that's
00:09:52.280that is just as convincing and there and it's this well okay then if you think mothers shouldn't be
00:09:58.660prosecuted for aborting their their their children their babies at the nine-month period
00:10:05.660just before birth what about killing their their babies a couple of days after birth
00:10:11.520and then of course people say well hang on okay you know um that's clearly wrong but there's
00:10:16.520really no difference because once you've um unleashed the argument when you once you freed
00:10:23.120the argument from any basis around viability and said we'll allow abortions beyond that,
00:10:31.280beyond viability, then the argument is philosophically, it's pretty much the same.
00:10:35.920Whether the baby is on this side of the womb or on that side of the womb, this is a viable
00:10:40.960human life, right? Yeah, absolutely. It's a continuum, of course. It's absurd to suddenly
00:10:46.560draw these arbitrary distinctions, whether it be 24 weeks, which is the current UK legal limit.
00:10:52.640And by the way, it's worth focusing on that just for a moment.
00:10:56.420The UK at the moment allows abortion for effectively any reason up to 24 weeks.
00:11:04.900Certainly in the European context, the norm, the average across the rest of Europe would be about half that number, about 12 or 14 weeks.
00:11:12.240So you cannot say that abortion laws are not extremely liberal within the UK at the moment.
00:11:19.900So the argument that there is some sort of restriction or hindrance simply doesn't hold
00:11:24.720any water. But no, you're absolutely right. We know that the viability of extremely pre-term
00:11:31.540babies is increasing all the time. So if a child can survive at 22 or 23 weeks, which can happen
00:11:38.780and which does happen, then what is the difference between a child that was born very early at that
00:11:44.680age and a child that went to full term 40 weeks and was born? What is the difference? It's a
00:11:49.640continuum then. We aren't talking about abortion really in this context. We should be honest and
00:11:55.000we should be frank. We're talking about infanticide. That's what this has become. We're
00:11:59.620talking about the deliberate taking of viable life. Now, frankly, the viability isn't really
00:12:05.500the most substantive issue here, because if we use viability as a standard, then by that
00:12:10.700mechanism or by that metric, a person who's being sustained on a life support system and
00:12:16.500isn't viable, then their life counts for nothing either. So it isn't the standard. But it is used
00:12:21.180in this debate, and it's used wrongly, and it's used very, very misleadingly. Because what we're
00:12:26.640talking about here is, without question, as close as you can get, if not an actual case of infanticide.
00:12:32.820And I should also say on the question of prosecutions, number one, the police having a
00:12:37.340legal requirement to investigate and look into this does not, on hardly any occasion, ever lead
00:12:43.220to a prosecution. Prosecutions of women are vanishingly rare. In the one recent case where
00:12:49.620there was actually a successful prosecution, I think the sentence was somewhere like 30 or 40
00:12:54.280days. So we're not talking about very, very strict implementation of this or women being sent to
00:13:01.720prison and spending years in prison. The prosecution service and the police do take a very broad view
00:13:06.840of this but it's the principle that matters um you said something just a moment or so ago that
00:13:16.620that a woman can have an abortion for whatever reason she would like up until the age of 24 weeks
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00:16:36.280back with peter kearney at the society for the protection of unborn children so let's look at
00:16:43.060this on the first half of the show we just spoke about the the fact that this is backdoor
00:16:49.260legalization of abortion up to birth the second point i'd like to discuss with you is that this
00:16:56.740is also a backdoor legalization now of gender selective abortion just a few words if you
00:17:02.620Woodman Peter, to our audience, what is gender selective abortion and why did the government
00:17:09.600prohibit it? Well, legally it is permitted, sorry, legally it is prohibited. Within the Abortion Act,
00:17:18.520which by the way was passed in 1967 in the UK and has been in force ever since, abortion was
00:17:24.200supposed to be very tightly controlled and very tightly regulated. The reality has been the exact
00:17:29.520opposite. It is very, very permissive. One of the grounds which it is prohibited is for the
00:17:37.560gender selection of the child. So even though parents might say they'd rather have a boy than
00:17:42.500a girl, that's not valid grounds, at least not in law, for them to have an abortion. However,
00:17:48.560in reality, it is. And we know for a fact that the number of baby girls aborted is significantly
00:17:55.820higher than the number of baby boys. And we know in some communities it varies from community to
00:18:01.200community. In some ethnic communities where the birth of a boy is prized more than the birth of
00:18:07.240a girl, where in effect the value of a boy is higher than a girl, we see higher than average
00:18:13.540abortions of baby girls. Now, we're all familiar with China's notorious one-child policy, which
00:18:21.120stood for decades. And one of the outworkings of that was a massive population disparity,
00:18:27.200which China is coming to terms with now, where there are far more young men than there are
00:18:33.280young marriage age women. And this is a significant problem for China. Now, that's the current,
00:18:39.220if you like, ramifications or result of that. The real result was the mass deaths, the genocidal
00:18:47.940level deaths of a whole generation of young women in China. And the danger is that we're opening
00:18:54.180the door to that here. And it's important also, Ben, to point out that there was a second issue
00:18:59.460voted on in that notorious House of Lords vote last week. And that was the question of pills by
00:19:05.580post. Viewers in other countries will be familiar with this, male order pills or pharmaceutical or
00:19:11.540telemedicine. It's called a number of different names, but it's all the same thing. It's where
00:19:15.320a woman can have abortion pills delivered to her home where she takes them at home. Now once you
00:19:22.300move to that sort of system, and the UK is moving rapidly towards that system at the moment, more
00:19:27.460than 70% of abortions are carried out via pills sent to a home, you lose all controls. You use
00:19:35.460controls over gestation level, so the 24-week limit becomes effectively meaningless. You lose
00:19:42.200all other legal controls, particularly in the context of this discussion, whether or not the
00:19:47.280gender of the child has been a consideration, the unborn child. And so what's happened here is,
00:19:53.700first of all, decriminalisation, which is bad enough. And second of all, the embedding of the
00:19:59.200pills by post policy, which was, by the way, a COVID era, supposedly short term emergency measure,
00:20:06.660which has now become completely and utterly built in to the health care system, as it's called here,
00:20:12.580so that pills will be the normal way that abortions are delivered in the UK going forward.
00:20:18.820And as you can imagine, if all it requires is for a woman to phone and ask for the pills
00:20:24.140and then say she's asking on grounds that are legally valid, for example, her mental health,
00:20:30.900then the issue of gender won't even come up.
00:20:34.040And if it does come up in the context of a phone call, then there's no reason why truth should be told and the pills shouldn't be asked for anyway.
00:20:41.720We are aware of studies where people phoned pill providers and gave completely fictitious reasons and were sent the pills anyway.
00:20:50.420So I expect what we will see is a growth in the number of self-selection for sex of children, unborn children in the future.
00:21:01.600And that is being facilitated by this policy. The policy that, first of all, it's easy to obtain the pills, no questions will be asked. And second of all, even if what you've done, something illegal, does come to light, you're decriminalised anyway. Therefore, you have carte blanche to do it.
00:21:18.100it's important here to tie these points together because that's really how you get the position
00:21:25.440that spook have been highlighting here that this is legislation via the back door for for abortion
00:21:31.960up to the point of death even though of course the authorities are saying no no no no it's not
00:21:35.880but it is because if you're going to give send abortion pills to her to mothers at home um and
00:21:43.440Therefore, there will be no health professionals there to be prosecuted.
00:21:48.120You are effectively allowing the abortion to take place at any point up until death.
00:21:53.820Let me just come in with some of the statistics regarding the plight of gender selective abortion around the world.
00:22:00.060And these figures are the UN's own figures, the United Nations Population Fund figures.
00:22:06.260And the UN, for anyone who's ever been involved at any degree with the pro-life front at the international level, will know that the UN is a prime instigator of abortion as an element of population control, always sort of snuck in under sexual and reproductive health rights nomenclature.
00:22:27.020So when they come up with these figures, there's going to be the lower edge.
00:22:32.160But they're citing 142 million missing girls globally due to the practice of gender selective abortion for the reasons that you are highlighting.
00:22:42.340So it is a thing. And it's a thing in the UK as well, because a lot of people from different ethnic communities have a preference for boys.
00:22:51.140And just in the three or so, two and a half or so minutes that we have left, just tell me something whether you think the visibility of the Catholic Church and the Anglican Church has been high enough given the significance of this vote.
00:23:09.440I noticed that the newly installed Archbishop of Canterbury used her position in the Lords to speak against this.
00:23:17.520But I thought it was, I mean, of course, the Church of England isn't a particularly pro-life organisation.
00:23:22.180I thought, I mean, she took the position, but it was slightly perfunctory, I thought, procedural.
00:23:27.080Tell me there on the ground, do you think that the institutional Christian churches really raised their opposition to this,
00:23:36.120to the level of importance, or was it simply just a little bit perfunctory and performative?
00:23:43.540Well, I think it was a spectrum here of responses. First of all, in the pro-life sector in general,
00:23:50.900as you'll probably be aware, SPUC is the oldest and it's the largest pro-life organisation,
00:23:56.240not just in the UK, but in Europe, and the biggest also. And we definitely did mobilise
00:24:01.220our supporters and our subscribers to contact members of the House of Lords, contact parliamentarians
00:24:07.600and lobby against this. So a lot of work was done there. Within the institutional churches,
00:24:12.640I think it probably would be fair to draw a distinction between them. I think the Catholic
00:24:17.780Church was clear across the board. Its position on abortion is clear. It's unequivocal. I think
00:24:23.420it's widely known and I think it's well known. But as I said to begin with, the Catholic Church
00:24:28.740is not in the position of the established Church of England
00:24:31.900in the sense that the Catholic bishops don't have votes here.
00:33:56.520And I remember, I think you had the local pastor there.
00:34:01.220I think many people watching that short video,
00:34:05.980especially folks who follow the war room,
00:34:09.180We'll be slightly surprised by the fact, because it doesn't really get any attention at all on US television, slightly surprised by the fact that Christians, Palestinian Christians on the West Bank are under a particularly heavy form of persecution right now.
00:34:30.560We're going to be talking about some of the US figures as well in the second part of this half.
00:34:37.440But first of all, right now, what I wanted to ask you following on from that video, it is your thesis that West Bank settlers hate Christians most in the world, even more than they hate Muslims.
00:34:51.720That would surprise a lot of people. Just tell me a little bit about that, if you wouldn't mind, and the general background of the work that you're doing with the Vulnerable People Project to highlight this situation.
00:35:35.920and Gaza. And it was something that was very surprising to me when I first started going to
00:35:42.160the West Bank and to Israel and meeting with the Christian communities. And you can hear it from
00:35:46.580the settlers' own mouths that they have a special disdain for Christians more than they despise
00:35:51.660Muslims. And they really are so heavily propagandized. I have friends that are settlers
00:35:56.400in the West Bank, friends that are settlers that I know from my work in Hollywood and in Washington,
00:36:02.420D.C., who really believe they have a right to the land that the ancient Christian communities hold.
00:36:09.960They fear those Christian communities, and they give them no quarter. They spit on priests. They
00:36:17.560spit on nuns. This young woman you heard in the video, Alice Kasia, her homes have been destroyed
00:36:22.720multiple times. She has been beaten and then arrested for defending herself just in this year
00:36:28.560alone, 2026, 10 Christians have been killed in the West Bank. And we've seen brutal attacks
00:36:35.340on the only 100% Christian village left in the West Bank, Taipei. We've seen brutal attacks
00:36:41.000almost every single day. And although President Trump has said that these settlements are illegal
00:36:46.880and need to stop, just in the past couple of months, Israel has approved a new settlement
00:36:53.080called Shtemah, where they will destroy 11,000 predominantly Christian homes to make way for
00:36:58.820settlers, this would effectively be the end of the Christian community in Bethlehem and in the
00:37:06.440shepherd's field. And this is, it would be really tragic to see the oldest Christian community in
00:37:13.480the world erased before our very eyes. Now, due to something like 1%, I think.
00:37:23.080One of the reasons I wanted folks to see that video that I think was made just in the run up to Christmas of last year is there's a scene halfway in there that will surprise a lot of this audience.
00:37:37.540It's only there for about two seconds, but you basically see a group of Orthodox Jews guys walking down and spitting at the Christian religious sisters in their wearing habits as they're walking past them.
00:37:51.800As I said in my introduction, that will surprise people because it's not the general message of what's being communicated in the shaping of US opinion, which is sort of massively in favour towards Israel and Israeli expansion.
00:38:14.460Just give me like two minutes, if you wouldn't mind, and explain.
00:38:18.520Was that a one-off, or does that sort of thing happen frequently to Christians on the West Bank?
00:38:25.160It happens to the indigenous Christian community every day, and being spit on is just the tip of the iceberg.
00:38:31.720They're murdered. They're raped. Their homes are stolen from them.
00:38:36.140They're in prison. We just saw a one-year-old baby this week that was released, tortured in front of his father by the IDF.
00:38:43.220There hasn't been a prosecution of a settler that's assaulted or murdered a Palestinian in the West Bank since 2020.
00:38:51.840So in six years of relentless assaults and murders, there hasn't been a single settler charged or prosecuted.
00:38:59.580Yet if the Palestinians so much as raise their hand in defense of themselves, they can be shot or prosecuted for assault.
00:39:08.600And it is something that's shocking to most American Christians who have been told that Israel is our greatest ally.
00:39:14.140But spitting on Christians is something that they believe that they have to do, I guess, from the Talmud is a religious duty.
00:39:21.240Now, to be fair, to be fair, when you go to most places in Israel, you know, you go to Haifa, you can see Palestinians and you can see Israelis.
00:39:30.460You see Druze, Christians, Jews and Muslims living together in peace and harmony.
00:39:36.280but there are these radical Zionists that hold to a brutal ethno-nationalist apartheid ideology
00:39:45.260that sees Christians and Palestinians as unworthy of basic human rights and protections.
00:39:52.640I tell you, Jason, what I see here is knowing how strongly the American public feels about its support of Israel,
00:40:04.320I see a tremendous opportunity here for, basically I think your organization is the only one that I'm aware of that's speaking out for Christians, for the evangelical lobby in the United States to say our support of the state of Israel is not under question here,
00:40:24.460but to use the political weight that US evangelicals have to intervene here directly in the protection of West Bank Christians,
00:40:35.200because otherwise there are too many serious questions that will need to be asked about evangelical leadership itself and the institutional silence.
00:40:44.580And we're going to be discussing that in just a few minutes more with Jason Jones, president of the Vulnerable People Project.
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00:42:44.740So what caught my eye then just a couple of days ago is that the Auxiliary Bishop of Jerusalem, Bishop William Shamali, was speaking with EWTN News, the Eternal World Television Network, the largest religious broadcaster in the world,
00:43:06.540in which he was indicating the plight that Palestinian Christians have.
00:43:13.820He's explicitly used the word aggression that they're suffering, that Palestinian Christians are suffering.
00:43:24.260And what caught my eye specifically, and I'm quoting him literally, is that he said,
00:43:29.360And we communicated this news to all the world, even to the American ambassador in Tel Aviv, who came to visit and he promised to do something.
00:43:39.720But not many things were done. And that's the bishop of the auxiliary bishop of Jerusalem.
00:43:45.260When he's talking about the U.S. ambassador to Tel Aviv, he's obviously talking about Ambassador Mike Huckabee.
00:43:51.180And I think he might have relocated to Jerusalem. I expect he would have done.
00:43:54.620Now, that really did surprise me because Mike Huckabee is a well-known face.
00:44:09.680He's been shown what's happened by the bishop on the ground, and yet he has done absolutely nothing.
00:44:15.820Could you help clear up the confusion in my mind why that might possibly be the case?
00:44:22.880You know, Ben, I'm shocked and disappointed by Ambassador Huckabee. In fact, I was in the West Bank when he was named ambassador. I've known Mike Huckabee since 2006, 2007. He's someone that I've admired. I thought of him as a godly and sincere man.
00:44:40.920And I understood that he held, I'm a Catholic, and I understood that he held to a dispensationalist theology of Christian Zionism.
00:44:47.860But I also thought of him as a very sincere and humane Christian.
00:44:51.380And I thought as ambassador, when he sees the intelligence briefings and the reports, when he really begins to understand what's happening on the ground in Gaza and on the ground in the West Bank as a Christian man, you know, he will speak up.
00:45:04.400But I have to say he's been shockingly disappointing, not just on the West Bank.
00:45:11.340You know, I was sitting a few rows behind him at midnight mass at the Church of the Nativity just an hour or so after we did our Christmas Eve broadcast.
00:45:23.060And when Sarah saw me, she whispered to her father, Jason Jones, is behind us, and they both rolled their eyes.
00:45:27.720So clearly they weren't happy with our reporting of the crimes of the state of Israel against the oldest Christian community in the West, in the world that's situated in the West Bank.
00:45:38.700But it's not just Ambassador Huckabee. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson went to the West Bank.
00:45:43.840He didn't visit the Palestinian Christian communities, which descend from those Christians that were in the upper room.
00:45:52.300Those families have been there since the first century and before the first century.
00:45:57.720But who did the Speaker of the House go to meet with? He went to meet with the settlers, the ones that were committing the brutal acts of terrorism against this Christian community. And as a Catholic, as a Christian, it is a little heartbreaking to see a sincere evangelical Christian like Huckabee, like Mike Huckabee, just sit on his hands and close his eyes and pretend not to know what's going on.
00:46:21.020And he knows very well what's going on.
00:46:22.920I'd like to see him brought before Congress and asked under oath if he saw signs of war crimes or famine in Gaza.
00:46:31.420He returned from Gaza and said he saw no famine.
00:46:35.520But I know people that were with him on the ground and said they were shocked at the press conference that Huckabee held with Witkoff after that visit because they were right next to him.
00:46:45.320And he clearly saw evidence of famine and severe hunger.
00:46:49.320And he also saw evidence of war crimes. And so I'd like to see him ask. And I pray to God one day he has to answer those questions under oath.
00:47:00.120I noticed that there's a convent of religious sisters, right, just outside of Bethlehem, of all places of symbolism here.