Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 979： Finnish Politician Cites Romans 1 — And Is Convicted Under “War Crimes And Crimes Against Humanity”

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00:00:48.020 Good evening, Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.

00:00:59.900 There was a massive victory in the Supreme Court this week,

00:01:04.960 and I'm going to discuss it now with Frank Walker.

00:01:08.020 You might have heard some of these issues.

00:01:10.780 States, various states, 23 in total, have in their own legislatures blocked the ability of Christian pastors, Christian parents to offer therapies of various kinds to their kids to reinforce the strength of the biological gender.

00:01:37.260 And these things are loosely called conversion therapies.

00:01:40.780 And as I was saying, 23 or so states now have laws prohibiting this.

00:01:49.680 The Supreme Court, I think it was yesterday, overturned a law in Colorado precisely on this point.

00:02:00.500 And that will now have repercussions for the other 23, the other 22 states as well.

00:02:07.000 And the issue basically came down to whether these therapies were free speech and therefore protected by the First Amendment or health care, in which case it was something the states can legislate on.

00:02:24.180 And in a very strong vote in the Supreme Court, 8 to 1, the Supreme Court said that it's a free speech issue.

00:02:40.720 Frank Walker, tell me, break this down for me, because I think this is going to have massive repercussions now right across and those other 22 states.

00:02:54.180 exactly what the issue was here and who was the one justice associate justice who was in the

00:03:02.300 minority on this well it's it's a fascinating case isn't it and we've been enduring this

00:03:09.240 conversion therapy ban uh thing for a long time in fact there was a good catholic group called

00:03:14.060 courage which used to kind of do this kind of thing but they've been neutered because of these

00:03:18.260 laws. And in Colorado, they had a law against it, liberal Colorado, and the court struck it down.

00:03:25.000 They didn't just strike it down by a majority. They struck it down eight to one. Only Ketanji

00:03:29.940 Brown was the only person who disagreed with it, which I think is fascinating. It's on the speech

00:03:37.680 grounds, which is not, I mean, you would think that speech would have to do with something that

00:03:40.780 was broadcast or public speech or something. Originally, when they had freedom of speech,

00:03:47.020 They didn't think of all these things in the time of the Constitution, but it touches on health care, which they call therapy, psychological therapy, health care.

00:03:58.500 It also touches on, which isn't really mentioned much in the case, except for the person involved, the counselor, that it's a religious issue.

00:04:08.220 And religious issues touch upon morality.

00:04:11.000 And how are you supposed to have law and justice without morality?

00:04:13.460 So it's fascinating, all those things. And it's also fascinating that it was eight to one against it. If the courts were so against, if the Supreme Court was so against this, why do we have to endure it for such a long time?

00:04:25.960 And I think it speaks to the changing times that we're in, because in ruling against this in the name of free speech, they're also saying that you can't prevent pro-gay free speech or pro-gay counseling or therapy.

00:04:44.220 And Jenny from your show, she sent us an article a week ago or so.

00:04:48.680 It was fascinating.

00:04:49.840 Leo Varadkar from the former prime minister of Ireland was saying that he felt society was getting squeezed between Putin and Trump.

00:04:57.980 And if you look at the way Russia handles these kinds of speech issues, they permit people to have gay lifestyles.

00:05:05.160 But you're not allowed to propagandize about it.

00:05:07.980 You're not allowed to convince young people to follow it, which if you look at the United States,

00:05:12.760 I mean, the number of the gay young people have exploded in the last 10 years or 20 years or so.

00:05:19.060 So this touches on a lot of different things, but I think it's like it's kind of preventing future problems.

00:05:24.300 And that's why you have some liberal justices have supported on the Supreme Court.

00:05:28.060 i have to say that as i'm sort of following these various surveys as they come out the number of kids

00:05:35.720 um who are identifying as lgbtq plus um it's actually it's actually falling the last one i

00:05:46.920 saw was about three or four months ago the actual the figures are coming down now so it suggests

00:05:51.480 some kind of some kind of high watermark has already been reached just to to indicate here

00:05:59.340 as you were saying the two the varying viewpoints um on on behalf of the the christian therapist

00:06:08.500 she was her argument was basically that counselors walking alongside um young people shouldn't be

00:06:15.300 limited to promoting state approved goals like gender transition which often lead to harmful

00:06:22.180 drugs and surgeries and in the opposite camp you had colorado saying that the state

00:06:29.700 um says that the measure simply bars using therapy to try to convert lgbtq plus people

00:06:39.060 to heterosexuality or to

00:06:41.080 traditional gender expectations

00:06:43.060 and

00:06:45.140 as you were saying, the

00:06:47.020 majority opinion as written

00:06:48.920 by Neil Gorsuch

00:06:51.140 came down and said

00:06:52.840 quite firmly, including two

00:06:55.000 of the progressive

00:06:57.180 justices

00:06:58.380 Sotomayor and

00:07:01.000 Kagan, unusually

00:07:02.940 I think that they

00:07:04.780 said no, no, this is absolutely

00:07:06.640 a free speech issue

00:07:08.560 Well, the left is upset and they're saying, well, you're not allowed to change someone's identity. And the counselor says, I'm just practicing my religion. But in reality, gay sex is something that you do. It's not something that you are. Just because you have that sort of inclination, it doesn't mean that you're like stuck that way.

00:07:31.380 I think most people that have gay inclinations are really kind of bisexual.

00:07:35.860 It is healthy and it is good therapy to teach people restraint and discipline and to guide them to family life.

00:07:43.220 Just because you have a gay inclination doesn't mean that you have to do every single gay outlet that you can imagine.

00:07:50.560 That's not healthy. That's not therapy.

00:07:54.300 And then I think that that's something they've been limited from doing, and they should be able to have a right to do that.

00:08:01.040 because people that live gay lifestyles

00:08:04.040 are transsexual lifestyles.

00:08:05.700 You know, as you can see in the press,

00:08:07.460 they can be sometimes the greater numbers

00:08:09.740 of massacres, murders.

00:08:11.760 They say that if somebody tries to convince you

00:08:14.100 not to have gay feelings,

00:08:16.600 that they're causing you to commit suicide.

00:08:18.520 Well, suicide is something that you do to yourself.

00:08:20.540 You're the one who's guilty of it.

00:08:22.260 But the suicides and the pathological

00:08:24.940 and the dysfunctional kinds of things

00:08:26.640 are much higher if people that live,

00:08:29.200 you know, not in normal family lifestyles and people don't embrace the gender that they are

00:08:34.680 and they reject the opposite sex. It's just, there's all sorts of what you would call therapeutic

00:08:40.400 issues that are involved. And it's just, and religious and morality issues in teaching people

00:08:46.420 to live a more of a happy and a healthy lifestyle. And that kind of, all of that talk, everything I

00:08:51.500 just said to you has been repressed, has been illegal. And it's a wonderful thing to see it

00:08:58.060 changing. And these kinds of things that are happening in the courts, people in the morality

00:09:02.720 part of the media, in the faithful, religious, and Catholic part of the media, I think that

00:09:09.000 they're forgetting that in all of these attacks, these never-Trump attacks on different issues

00:09:14.700 are affecting the midterms. And at the midterms, when they come around in six months from now or

00:09:20.460 whenever, we're going to lose this kind of momentum and these kinds of things at the courts.

00:09:25.120 This is what's happening, I think, in the faithful Catholic and Christian community with all of this lobbying against Trump.

00:09:32.620 This kind of thing is a result of Trump.

00:09:36.640 And it certainly is a result of Trump and the nominations he'd made to the Supreme Court in his first term, right?

00:09:44.180 I know sometimes the court goes against the administration, but this is a very clear indication of exactly the sort of thing.

00:09:52.240 Because this councillor, Kayleigh Childs, who was being supported by the Alliance for Defending Freedom, was also very much being supported by the administration as well.

00:10:04.320 So this is an indication, I think, of something that MAGA had wanted to see when they elected President Trump and President Trump via his nominations to the Supreme Court, very much delivering on that agenda.

00:10:18.940 excuse me i'm sorry it is a religious issue too of course you know so if you're if you're in

00:10:25.300 religious business and the religious media business this is something i would think you'd

00:10:29.460 want to focus on um what are you looking at in terms of the supreme court and anything coming

00:10:37.020 up that you that you have your eye on at canon 212 to see how the supreme court's going to go

00:10:42.920 One of the issues close to the administration's heart.

00:10:46.900 Well, I haven't had a chance to look at it today, but I know that Trump was going to be visiting, actually be in the court listening to arguments over birthright citizenship, which is very important to the Catholic bishops.

00:10:58.680 I know that. And and really has a has a big chunk of his move to, you know, to to try to control the the overflowing borders, which affects the vote, which is really it's really a pro-life issue in many ways.

00:11:17.240 So they're dealing with that today. And I'm not sure. I think it's unprecedented that he actually went to the court. And so if it does rule against them, I suppose that he's going to go and pursue a political path against it.

00:11:31.460 I think Trump has had a lot of influence on the courts now, even though in his second term, not only has these ones that he's appointed, but he has an effective team.

00:11:42.620 And for one reason or another, he's able to have a lot of effect on the courts.

00:11:47.200 I mean, it's amazing to see that they're so in favor of this when the court is really not this much on the right as it came out.

00:11:58.080 So I think Trump, even in the second term, and there are some people who may retire who are very good on the court, and he will have to appoint them next time.

00:12:06.780 The whole world will change if the midterms don't go Trump's way.

00:12:11.680 I mean, that will be the end of a lot of momentum.

00:12:14.920 And I know what's happening in all of these wars looks really, really difficult, and the news is really terrible against it.

00:12:23.460 But he's moving against globalists and globalist centers of power.

00:12:28.280 And when you see Iran, you see the economy, you see oil, you see the control of the price of oil.

00:12:33.600 There's other layers to what's happening.

00:12:35.420 And he's really squeezing Europe, as we'll learn about today.

00:12:39.120 Europe is a totally different situation.

00:12:40.860 It's still like Biden land.

00:12:42.240 It's still Kamala land in Europe.

00:12:44.340 And he's putting the squeeze in economically and in NATO militarily.

00:12:48.740 And those things will be good for Europe in the long run if Trump can continue to apply pressure like he already has in the United States.

00:12:57.980 Frank, you've teed yourself up wonderfully from when we come back to later on in the show, the difference between Europe and the United States.

00:13:07.480 Thanks in part to tip the hat once again to the president's nominations to the Supreme Court.

00:13:16.260 Absolutely astonishing news coming out of Finland.

00:13:18.820 And I think it really does illustrate,

00:13:20.500 and also good news coming out of the states of Utah.

00:13:23.020 I think that sort of just illustrates the difference

00:13:25.980 when it comes to Holy Scripture

00:13:28.100 in both the difference between America and the EU.

00:13:32.120 We're going to come back to that with you, Frank,

00:13:34.240 in about a quarter of an hour's time.

00:13:35.800 So please stand by.

00:13:36.860 And also, of course, when you come back,

00:13:39.120 we're going to be staying on the theme of the alliance

00:13:42.200 for defending freedom

00:13:45.600 because they're also involved in the Finnish case as well.

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00:15:25.820 um joseph you in um the states i think uh last week for um for cpac um there's a story i don't

00:15:37.120 know if you you're discussing this with anyone um there because it's certainly been quite topical

00:15:43.740 on my getter feed.

00:15:46.480 But Carrie Prejean Boller,

00:15:54.060 who was on the President's Commission on Religious Liberty,

00:16:01.600 was kicked off the commission by its chairman

00:16:09.480 because, in her words, she was kicked off

00:16:17.860 because of an anti-Catholic prejudice

00:16:22.000 on behalf of Texas' Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick.

00:16:27.680 And she appealed on social media to Bishop Robert Barron,

00:16:33.680 or as we call him on the war room, Robert Barron,

00:16:36.020 for sustenance, for some political support.

00:16:41.580 Let's just say that political support wasn't forthcoming.

00:16:45.440 How did he respond to her plea when she appealed to her fellow Catholic

00:16:53.340 and bishop, who himself is very prominent on social media?

00:16:58.400 How did he respond and what reasons did he give for declining to help?

00:17:03.500 well it was an interesting case um i mean bishop baron first and foremost is known for uh let's

00:17:13.200 say trying to um to make things better than they seem very often uh of course the famous case being

00:17:22.920 there's hopefully nobody in hell um but among many other things he tends to be overly diplomatic when

00:17:30.480 it comes to issues of religious liberty and in this case called um carry absurd for claiming

00:17:36.800 that there was any anti-catholic sentiments on the religious liberty commission board which

00:17:43.520 you know whether or not it's true um it's not the way to treat one of the faithful who's reaching

00:17:49.620 out to you for more support um and the public nature of he did it to me signified that there

00:17:55.080 was something deeper going on which is that he just simply doesn't want to give opinions that

00:17:59.360 might be considered political and wait um and you know i i think that this is part of a deeper

00:18:06.160 kind of problem which really uh is not being addressed enough which is you know how strong

00:18:12.680 is too strong when it comes for standing up for your faith you know if that was a person of another

00:18:16.720 faith uh let's say a muslim or a member of the jewish community um speaking out against what

00:18:23.540 they perceive to be anti-semitic or islamophobic tropes i don't think a catholic bishop like

00:18:29.140 baron would uh would be speaking out with the same vociferous anger self-righteous anger and

00:18:35.340 pomposity um so look it's a complicated topic and i think that as usual bishop baron has managed to

00:18:42.940 um get on the wrong side of his pastoral duty um so we've got like about seven minutes before

00:18:53.840 we go to the breaks that sort of limits how much we can go into this um but i i and you know we

00:19:01.320 don't have time to cover this very fully um i'm certainly not in detail but i did but pertinent

00:19:06.380 to the story is the fact that when um on the hearing that was i think the last one earlier

00:19:13.080 in March 16th, Carrie Prejean Boller was indicating at this meeting,

00:19:22.960 she was indicating the presence of Zionism on the 9th of February.

00:19:32.660 And she said, I'm a Catholic and Catholics do not embrace Zionism,

00:19:37.940 just so you know.

00:19:39.500 um and i think that's somewhat uh relevant here to um and again relevant because she

00:19:51.860 she directly criticized uh the reverend paula white on on this very point um in a previous post

00:19:59.560 um i sort of think that um she might have had more success if she had said that not she wasn't

00:20:12.400 kicked off in in her appeal to bishop baron and as i say she's made this point elsewhere

00:20:17.880 um i don't know how easy or successful she's going to find it saying she was kicked off

00:20:25.400 the um the presidential commission on religious liberty because she's catholic i think it's

00:20:32.980 probably as she said elsewhere more on on the zionist issue uh and when she says i'm a catholic

00:20:39.060 and catholics do not embrace zionism here joseph robertson i just want to put something to you

00:20:45.580 which is i think this is a pretty good litmus test for the difference between concilia catholics

00:20:52.540 and traditional Catholics because whereas I would say that the concilia Catholic church

00:20:59.820 which for our sort of evangelical audience is basically the churches that you would find

00:21:06.560 in your parish on any street the concilia Catholic church broadly I would say is

00:21:15.460 in practice Zionist whereas the traditional Catholic church is not

00:21:20.220 And the other thing I would have to run past you is in Bishop Barron's statement, which I think confuses the elements here, because he says, Barron says that he, the bishop says he fully subscribes to the Catholic position on Zionism, which includes unequivocal opposition to anti-Semitism.

00:21:47.260 And I think what he's trying to do here is suggest, and this is what I would like to intervene and say absolutely not.

00:21:58.540 While certainly some people are coming at anti-Zionism from an anti-Semitic point of view, you can't say that all anti-Zionists are coming at that, are anti-Semites.

00:22:11.900 I think that's the thing I would criticise as implications for being.

00:22:17.280 I just wanted your quick take on that.

00:22:21.740 Yeah, well, it's a very complicated topic, but I think the easiest and most succinct way of approaching it is to talk about the terms that we're using.

00:22:29.580 I think the problem is that Zionism has become a broad capture term for many different things on both sides of the argument.

00:22:35.120 I think what Carrie and others maybe are taking up and sat more than anything is whether or not their own national interests are being put first.

00:22:44.360 First and foremost, that's the argument that there'll be perhaps one particular lobby is more powerful than others when it comes to matters of geopolitical interest.

00:22:55.260 And secondly, whether or not some members perhaps of the board are subscribing to a particular theology of dispensationalism, which is essentially the evangelical Christian belief that the Jewish state in its current form and the Jewish religion is still the chosen people of God.

00:23:16.660 now the catholic faith would contend that the new church the new israel uh is the as the catholic

00:23:24.420 church itself as opposed to the religion of judaism unfortunately these more nuanced points

00:23:30.920 don't come through when the debate is simply zionism versus anti-zionism because zionism

00:23:36.580 in its original form essentially meant a belief in the creation of the state of israel

00:23:40.900 and then started to take on all kinds of other connotations in america more than it does in the

00:23:46.380 Middle East, ironically. And so while a Catholic doesn't have to be opposed to the existence of

00:23:52.540 the state of Israel, or indeed, you know, the protection of the Jewish people, and certainly

00:23:57.760 that would be anti-Semitic to do so, it's perfectly credible to be able to challenge positions both

00:24:03.240 of national interest and of theology. After all, we all have, you know, completely different

00:24:08.260 beliefs in the three major Abrahamic religions. It's not at all a point of consensus that we all

00:24:15.980 believe the same thing and so you know free and fair debate on those topics is absolutely essential

00:24:20.100 to a democratic society and so i think the real issue that i'm seeing particularly in america

00:24:25.520 right now is this absolute black and white in the debate you're either you know anti-semitic or

00:24:30.480 you're not you're either pro-israel or you're not and i think actually the positions we should be

00:24:34.460 taking are a lot more nuanced particularly as catholics um you know and and the debate needs

00:24:39.340 to widen. And that's a very sensible point. And it's always worth illustrating here that the

00:24:48.720 Catholic Church gives wide leeway on political decisions under the classification of prudential

00:24:55.760 issues, which leads it up to each believer or each person of goodwill to determine what their

00:25:01.700 in their own conscience and their information, what the best way of arriving at the common good

00:25:06.380 it is it is worth pointing out that the hearing itself the one on the um february the 9th uh was

00:25:14.160 a meeting on anti-semitism so i think you know i i think given that i think there is legitimate

00:25:21.160 leeway for carrie to have brought up the issue of zionism and indeed anti-zionism on both those

00:25:28.460 points and to have done so in that context um i find it quite difficult to see how um how the how

00:25:37.740 uh the lieutenant um governor dan patrick could have said that she'd hijacked the meeting but i

00:25:44.340 think here on this kind of thing people are going to look at that from um from different points of

00:25:49.460 view joseph and according to um to where they're um where they're where they came from just just

00:25:55.120 give me 30 seconds as i say you were in the states was this this issue it's been lighting up my social

00:26:00.260 media were people talking about it there at cpac i didn't hear mentioned specifically to carrie's

00:26:06.800 case but i know that there were many conversations over you know the different movement in particular

00:26:12.260 on the mega side between the more pro-dionist action and what i would call the america first

00:26:19.060 faction um and of course that was clear there as it has been at every continent for last

00:26:24.760 really there seemed to be a point of contention among the base and it's it seems to me that it's

00:26:29.720 going to continue long into the future yeah long into the future especially uh given the current

00:26:36.060 situation in the middle east all right thanks for that report joseph standby we'll back to you

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00:32:15.900 Well, I think back in 1962, the U.S. Supreme Court did prohibit states having the right to impose compulsory Bible reading in class.

00:32:31.240 But they left some wriggle room to say that you could study the Bible if it was for historical, what have you, purposes in context.

00:32:40.240 And that is the leeway that the state of Utah is employing.

00:32:45.620 And last week, the new bill signed into law by Governor Spencer Cox has done exactly that.

00:32:51.620 It's requiring public schools to cover specific passages labelling the Bible as a historic document.

00:32:59.660 frank walker this um there are two stories on on on scripture i think that make an interesting

00:33:07.500 juxtaposition as you can as one contrast the difference between the united states

00:33:13.200 and continental europe let's just spend just a few minutes on this because i think it's a

00:33:19.140 fascinating development in america what's going on in utah and then we'll talk about the diametric

00:33:25.900 opposite in godless finland well this is just a law it's not a court case but it's amazing because

00:33:33.720 all it is is simply a law that's going to include bible passages to some extent in a historical

00:33:42.220 discussion of the history of the united states and the founding of the united states and that

00:33:48.640 is a huge big difference because uh apparently since this case you mentioned 1963 where they

00:33:54.500 said you can't you know quote have prayers or bible quotes at the beginning of class or something

00:34:00.560 nobody in school has ever made anybody have to read anything from the bible at all and so now

00:34:07.480 doing it is a huge big difference and even though there's they're not required to decide on which

00:34:12.880 verses they are for two or three more years they um they're going to just use it to teach history

00:34:18.900 And I think that that's interesting. And it's also necessary because religion, all kinds of religion, particularly Christian forms of religion, have been so decimated in the United States, even here, that people don't understand the context of quotes in the Declaration of Independence, for example.

00:34:38.320 They don't know what these things mean. They don't know what divine providence means that's referenced in there.

00:34:43.200 and so they need to have a little bit of background just the smallest bit it's not

00:34:46.660 like they're i mean this is a this is a where mormonism is is a centered it's not like they're

00:34:52.380 trying to teach mormonism they're not trying to teach any religion christian religion just using

00:34:57.300 some quotes to give some context because it's absolutely necessary because nobody will even

00:35:01.660 understand it and but uh that's progress that they're they're making there and it it's definitely

00:35:10.020 it's definitely progress and as you were saying that the Utah State Board of Education now has

00:35:15.380 a couple of years I think up until 2029 to decide which texts they want to have included in the

00:35:23.800 curriculum. I have it here what the Supreme Court said back in 63, no state law or school board may

00:35:31.440 require that passages from the Bible be read or that the Lord's Prayer be recited in the public

00:35:38.400 schools of a state at the beginning of each school day um so in the establishment clause

00:35:50.620 it says you shall not establish a state religion but that's this is a bit of a stretch don't you

00:35:54.340 think for sure it is for sure it is do you think this is part of a broad this is part of a broader

00:36:00.940 movement though throughout the united states right because i think texas um has something

00:36:05.460 similar and then you also have states that have 10 commandments uh on on classrooms which we've

00:36:11.700 also covered here on the wall so there is definitely i think a sort of counter uh a

00:36:18.300 counter revolution going back in in the opposite direction the american culture historically has

00:36:24.160 been very religious very religious and and they would have never thought to have these sorts of

00:36:29.540 restrictions. Back in the 1800s, before things became so corrupted, they had these McGuffey

00:36:36.380 readers, and all they were were quotes from the scripture and teachings of morality. They

00:36:42.240 recognized that, you know, how do you separate religion from morality, and how do you instruct

00:36:48.260 children without putting morality in the context of everything that they're learning? And it's

00:36:54.300 really ridiculous, and it shows you that, you know, we don't want to talk about communism

00:36:59.260 to have an enforced secular state where every single word of religion must be erased from

00:37:05.880 everybody's mind. But we've been living it anyway, you know. In fact, we live it so strongly that we

00:37:11.500 can't even, you know, and this is something that people, like you said, with the Ten Commandments,

00:37:15.640 they recognize that in this time, when we have a White House that's supportive of this,

00:37:20.540 this is a time where they can move for these things and move in the courts. But the people

00:37:24.580 are going to be supportive of this. That's why it's becoming, you know, becoming law all over

00:37:28.340 place. If you let it democratically become the way it is, people support it. You know, people

00:37:32.900 just like with the conversion therapy, people don't want to live unhappy, lonely lifestyles.

00:37:38.820 And they want to live religious, disciplined lifestyles. Like you're seeing young people

00:37:42.020 all over the world are returning back to religion. You know, it was somewhat like this back in,

00:37:48.060 you know, before you were born in the 80s. It was somewhat like this then. So you can see how

00:37:52.560 movements and people will change over time. But it's natural. It's very natural. And it's just

00:37:58.340 a little bit back to the way America actually really is. That kind of thread of America turning

00:38:03.920 back to the way it really is, is all throughout the way the government is in the United States

00:38:08.420 right now. It's a big push. And it still has so much further to go. Public school itself was

00:38:15.440 a German idea from the 1800s. I'm not sure it's such a good idea if it means that you can't even

00:38:20.620 teach children right from wrong it's incredible so more laws more laws like this and i hope that

00:38:27.780 they're coming frank walker i'm still dazzled by if i didn't hear you incorrectly that you

00:38:33.140 suggested that the 80 1980s was before i was born um that's that's that's cheered me up a lot

00:38:39.660 um so now now let's go from the sublime to the ridiculous

00:38:44.840 and talk about the Finnish Supreme Court ruling,

00:38:49.400 which convicted an actual parliamentarian,

00:38:52.120 not even some Joe Schmo,

00:38:53.780 an actual sitting member of parliament,

00:38:56.960 Paivi Rasanen,

00:38:58.860 because of her publication of a pamphlet

00:39:03.220 which cited Romans 1, 24 to 27.

00:39:11.140 Incredibly, incredibly,

00:39:12.700 this was the third hearing on this

00:39:19.160 because they dropped charges

00:39:21.640 in the lowest two states of court

00:39:24.680 and as is the case here on continental Europe

00:39:28.060 whereas in England or America

00:39:30.480 basically only if you're the defendant

00:39:33.080 would you appeal having lost a case

00:39:36.140 here in continental Europe

00:39:37.540 the prosecution can appeal

00:39:39.980 if a defendant is acquitted

00:39:42.300 uh sounds weird but that's what what what's happened here in it in finland so this parliamentarian

00:39:48.800 she was acquitted at the first two stages the court of appeal then overturned the the lower

00:39:54.860 two um courts and found her guilty under of all things a section of the finnish criminal code

00:40:03.100 titled war crimes and crimes against humanity for um hence hence when i said we're going from

00:40:10.600 the sublime to the ridiculous for her quotation of romans 124 tell us about this uh and what it

00:40:17.240 you know just give me two minutes it seems to me that if uh if you have two civilizational

00:40:24.160 structures here the united states and europe and one of them is so antithetical towards its own

00:40:30.200 founding religion that that civilization being under attack from a number of different sides

00:40:36.380 cannot be long for this world.

00:40:38.240 Frank, just give me your quick reading

00:40:40.340 on the Finnish development,

00:40:42.740 especially how it contrasts

00:40:44.540 to what's going on in America right now.

00:40:47.360 Well, for one thing,

00:40:48.780 when it finally got to the high court,

00:40:50.620 that's when it lost to justice.

00:40:52.640 And in the United States,

00:40:53.520 the lower courts are seen to be worse these days,

00:40:55.740 and the real justice can happen at the Supreme Court.

00:40:58.340 This woman is a brilliant woman, a parliamentarian,

00:41:01.260 but before that, she was a hospital doctor,

00:41:02.920 she was a physician,

00:41:04.480 and she's a Lutheran,

00:41:05.960 And she's making a case for heterosexual lifestyles, which is the same thing.

00:41:13.400 It's not something that you are.

00:41:14.780 It's something that you do.

00:41:16.000 You have an inclination for it, and then you follow up on.

00:41:18.860 And she's against most of the Lutheran church in there.

00:41:21.420 And I would say most, of course, the Catholic bishops.

00:41:23.940 So she's able to rally support even against her own church, but still get people that are part of Lutheran religion to support her.

00:41:31.960 She's gotten a lot of support from the United States.

00:41:34.060 But amazingly, they lost the case on her tweets and they lost the case on other elements of what she did on a radio show.

00:41:44.680 But a 22-year-old pamphlet is what gets her convicted way at the end of the game.

00:41:49.940 I've been writing about this for years and linking to it at Canon 212.

00:41:54.280 Way at the end on this 22-year-old pamphlet, if they went back 50 years, everybody on either side of the pond would be in jail.

00:42:02.800 How can they find her guilty of something from, if you think back 22 years, it was a completely different, they didn't crush, like you mentioned, they didn't crush the whole society at that point.

00:42:17.000 This is all a new society that they're overlaying over us.

00:42:20.540 And she got a lot of support from the United States.

00:42:22.820 People like Marco Rubio, the Religious Freedom Commission that you were just talking about, a lot of people have been backing her all this time.

00:42:30.640 So you can see, and remember when J.D. Vance went to Europe and he castigated them on censorship, and this shows you the difference, and hopefully the squeeze that's happening with Europe, with NATO, with the financial squeeze, with the economic and the oil squeeze, things will start to turn.

00:42:48.980 And I think they kind of are turning a little bit when you see the EU has just come out with a new deportation laws that never would have happened before.

00:42:58.340 And that people have started to side more on the conservatives with what they call the far right, the AFD, that were illegal parties that they called Nazis.

00:43:07.000 So things are starting to change in Europe.

00:43:08.720 But you can see the big difference between the United States and Europe when it comes to religious freedom and taking away their culture.

00:43:15.200 yeah i do want to point out that it's the alliance defending freedom again coming in

00:43:21.780 um and and defending her um so well on on this it's a great story now i know you have been

00:43:27.760 following it on canon 212 um and it's something that i think we'll come back to as well i think

00:43:34.220 because of the the import that it has uh for the rest of continental europe and increasing

00:43:40.520 hostility towards holy scripture and it is worth pointing out because you mentioned this 22 year

00:43:46.360 old pamphlet it is worth pointing out that the police had not received in 22 years a single

00:43:54.480 complaint about it this was a prosecution built on on thin air frank stay with us we'll come

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00:44:59.180 um before we go to joseph robertson we have just and it's entirely gratuitous because it's only

00:45:09.440 barely um i can barely justify doing this but let's just have 30 seconds 45 seconds to set

00:45:16.060 Joseph of Waylon Jennings

00:45:17.900 and Willie Nelson

00:45:19.480 your boys ain't easy

00:45:29.800 to love and they're harder

00:45:31.800 to hold

00:45:32.760 they'd rather give

00:45:37.840 you a song than diamonds

00:45:40.300 are gold

00:45:40.900 on star bell buckles

00:45:46.000 And old faded Levi's

00:45:47.700 And each night begins a new day

00:45:50.380 And if you don't understand him

00:45:53.380 And he don't die young

00:45:54.740 He'll probably just ride away

00:45:58.880 Mamas, don't let your babies

00:46:05.120 Grow up to be cow-born

00:46:07.240 Don't let them pick guitars

00:46:12.140 And drive them old trucks

00:46:13.920 I told you it was it was a stretch mamas don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys

00:46:28.000 why um was I playing that other than the fact that I think Waylon Jennings absolute brilliant

00:46:33.860 singer um as is of course Willie Nelson uh survey in Australia here um which has found

00:46:42.900 that 65% of Gen X think that things are better if men do paid work and women do care. Not sure if

00:46:51.660 that high figure now, 65%, is due to the fact that Gen Z is increasingly conservative, or if this is

00:46:58.700 simply because they're sort of talking to Australian chaps. Joseph, you've got the headline

00:47:04.800 statistics here. I tell you the one that particularly came out to me was that, hence I

00:47:11.960 thought of that track there was that more than 40 percent of parents in Australia

00:47:19.320 reported fathers thinking that boys shouldn't be taught domestic skills such as sewing and

00:47:27.320 cleaning to which I would say sort of fathers don't let your sons grow up to be sewers unless

00:47:36.280 of course you want their first act to be as adults young adults introducing you to their

00:47:42.460 new boyfriend joseph tell me about what's going on here in generation z

00:47:47.080 yeah well it's funny isn't it um i think the easiest way to summarize is i tend to find

00:47:54.340 memes contain a lot of truth the world is here healing nature is healing that's essentially

00:48:00.200 what's happening um and of course these things go inside don't they so you know we've seen

00:48:05.700 a generation without much attachment to any kind of responsibility. And now we're seeing a

00:48:14.660 generation that is re-embracing responsibility. I think it goes beyond just traditional masculine

00:48:19.400 and feminine roles. This is all about responsibility and about men reclaiming their

00:48:24.120 position as caretakers, as providers within a natural environment. And it's interesting to

00:48:31.500 compare this I think to what happened in Scandinavia where of course they got as close as they thought

00:48:36.460 was humanly possible to making options entirely open for women to go into STEM industries and

00:48:42.920 instead of choosing science they went back to the creative arts and men went predominantly into

00:48:47.520 science industries instead and I think this is what happens when you give a free and fair choice

00:48:51.720 to society people revert to what they are born to do and in their natural gender roles that's not to

00:48:59.080 say there won't be outliers and that we shouldn't cater for the possibility of women being able to

00:49:04.420 rejoin the workplace when necessary, as they have done so successfully in Hungary, as an example,

00:49:10.100 where, of course, you know, they have a pretty much, I think it's three children over, they have

00:49:15.840 a lifetime zero percent tax from that point if they decide to return to the workplace. But this

00:49:22.220 is all about what happens in those formative young adult years. And one thing I will say is we were

00:49:27.880 out in CPAC, as you mentioned already last week, announcing British CPAC, which is coming to the

00:49:35.240 UK in July this year. And one thing I noticed was the amount of young men immediately coming up to

00:49:41.120 me as soon as that was announced, talking about, you know, bringing back more traditional kind of

00:49:47.560 masculinity and whether or not there was going to be, I don't know, there were words like crusades

00:49:52.080 flung around, which perhaps I'm not allowed to promote. But there was certainly a revival of

00:49:57.180 that traditional young vibrant masculinity that I noticed this is in America of course I can't say

00:50:02.960 the same just yet for the UK but we're working on it I saw myself the the launch of the the CPAC UK

00:50:10.200 I think Liz Truss is I saw was quite closely involved in that let me just throw out to you

00:50:15.300 a quick a couple of these two headline statistics uh of what's going on in Gen Z because it is

00:50:21.820 absolutely astonishing the survey found and they spoke i think to 8 000 or so parents 72 percent

00:50:29.540 of gen z fathers in australia think that a father's sole responsibility is to provide

00:50:35.440 financially for his children 72 percent and that contrasts to 57 percent for for gen x

00:50:44.220 um which i am that's 72 percent compared to 57 percent on and you you mentioned the key word

00:50:51.660 there of responsibility here of what what this absolutely is um and it also found that 65 percent

00:50:58.220 of gen x think that things are better if men do paid work and women do care work compared to 45

00:51:05.620 percent of gen x huge change going on and gen z and that's something that we we do follow both on

00:51:12.420 on the friday the wednesday and friday show that's all we have time for folks joseph what uh i know

00:51:19.040 we've got you've had connection problems but why don't you and so we have your twitter screen up

00:51:23.020 now but why don't you just quickly mention that and um your r types on on substack where people

00:51:28.560 can go to keep up with your writing and analysis yeah of course yeah you can find me as seen on

00:51:35.140 screen at jr types both on uh twitter and on a substack and over on instagram at joseph

00:51:41.640 robertson uk and uh yeah do follow me there um and thanks for sticking with us as i say i know

00:51:48.680 you've had a connection issues today frank walker where do people go uh for canon 212

00:51:54.500 and uh stumbling block stumbling block canon 212 and for the stumbling block daily update it's at

00:52:01.380 rumble and at gloria tv and twitter's

00:52:03.500 everybody out there

00:52:09.080 bless you

00:52:11.440 no I'm still here

00:52:14.020 Frank

00:52:15.180 Canon 212 there we go

00:52:18.120 yeah I think we've had we did we have had

00:52:20.140 some connection issues today folks thanks

00:52:22.180 very much for sticking with us we'll be

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00:52:26.080 hopefully Joseph next Wednesday

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WarRoom Battleground EP 979： Finnish Politician Cites Romans 1 — And Is Convicted Under “War Crimes And Crimes Against Humanity”

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