WarRoom Battleground EP 982： Industrial Policy For The Intelligence Age; Stopping The H1NB Takeover
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In this episode, we talk to Sam Altman, co-founder and CEO of OpenAI, about superintelligence, the models they have coming, and what DC and OpenAI need to do to get ready for them.
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We're talking today to Sam Altman, co-founder and CEO of OpenAI.
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We're talking about superintelligence, the models that they have coming, and what DC
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The companies developing this and the government have to work extremely closely together.
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I don't think this works as like a standard or a company and you're the government.
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There's going to have to be very, very deep partnership here.
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Well, I think we're working very closely with the government.
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How far are we from AGI, artificial general intelligence, human-like capability?
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We're close enough to AGI that the precise definition matters.
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Like this is we are in a new a new paradigm here of some sort.
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So, Sam, in your new industrial policy, you're saying as vividly as you ever have.
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And in this interview, you're saying as vividly as you ever have that AI will transform every aspect of our lives.
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Why should people trust you to be at the forefront of it?
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And the most fundamental part of what it means to be human, that's not going to transform at all.
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And I think society may change in a lot of ways what it means to be a, you know, what it means to be a person.
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In the Middle East, we talk geopolitics, geoeconomics, it's sucking up a lot of the airtime.
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But there is a bigger and more important war going on in the imperial capital right now
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that is actually going to have a major impact on our species,
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and that is this whole fight about artificial intelligence.
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Every time that the oligarchs come up, David Sachs and the oligarchs come up, we shred them.
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The populist nationalist movement shreds these people in conjunction with some of the progressives,
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but we shred them on really getting policy this framework they've they've put up has also been
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kind of shredded now we got altman coming forward with a whole industrial policy they're taking i
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i'm afraid to me they're trying to take another kind of end run on this thing saying we're almost
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there we have to have a deep partnership with the government if you don't support us you're a luddite
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steve it's definitely a fair read that they are doing everything possible they being open ai but
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also more quietly google definitely anthropic and xai any ai company that is struggling to control
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the future is also going to have to control the politics around the technology and this ai
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industrial policy that's being put forward by open ai this really is significant on a lot of levels
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But one of the most significant is just purely on the level of ideas.
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They're putting forward the idea that they are on the cusp of creating artificial super
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This is defined in a lot of different ways, but we'll just say an AI that is smarter than
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all human beings on the planet combined, a god, a digital god.
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Then they go into the nuts and bolts of how you redistribute this radical abundance that
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they're predicting, how you will have to have the government watch these corporations to make sure
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their AIs don't go rogue and take over the country, take over the world, kill it. All these sorts of
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ideas are floating around. So when they're saying super intelligence, they are affirming the goal
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to create a being that is more powerful than all human beings on earth. That's, I think,
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something that people really need to grapple with as you have these same people pouring money into
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campaigns and various other sort of messaging operations around AI because they are trying
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to control the narrative as to what this digital god will be, what this digital god will mean for
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the population. Another point that I think really needs to hit home here, OpenAI acquired TBPN. It's
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a tech bro podcast that a lot of the tech people listen to. This is an obvious attempt to reestablish
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narrative control on what this technology is and what it will do. Another point that the audience
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really should understand is the money. How is this money being spent? Well, one example is
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Leading the Future, the super PAC that had 25 million put into it by Greg Brockman. That super
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PAC is funding Byron Donald's in Florida, seemingly to counter signal Ron DeSantis AI
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Bill of Rights. They describe their operation as a way to educate Floridians on the benefits
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of AI in this, quote, magical era. What they are doing is buying up as many politicians as they
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can. And this is only just begun in order to ensure that whoever is in there and whatever
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controls are in place are going to benefit the AI companies first. And I think it's really
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important that even if they're using these terms like human-centered and people first, that the
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audience, which really doesn't need to be told this, but I guess to reaffirm to the audience,
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we have to support those candidates that are going to put humans first.
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but joe you say the 25 million i think it's there's another one to spread up it's 100 million
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i think two of the in fact the 25 million i think is 100 million now too there's a couple
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hundred million dollars that's out there to support candidates i noticed in texas they put
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some money back of it sir just sorry sorry steve just to be really clear on that that's 25 million
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from just greg brockman into leading the future they have right now 125 million yes 25 million
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put in by Andreessen Horowitz, 25 or some odd million put in by Joe Lonsdale, so on and so
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forth. And then you've got the Innovation Council Action, which is a nonprofit. It's dark money,
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but reportedly they have a hundred million to dedicate to pro AI messaging to hand to
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candidates and other social media influencers. We had, uh, we had Raul Alfonso from Watch Dogs
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of Fort Meade. It's just a local group that sprung up out of nowhere because they realized they were
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getting rolled on a data center. They live in a rural community. The town is, and Joe, you've been
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to a thousand of these towns. It's roughly 5,000 people in a rural area of Florida. They want to
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rezone the agricultural land to put up a 4.4 million square foot data center of which the
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developers that come have been totally non-transparent on anything like who owns it
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is it a foreign entity in back of it can the chinese get involved here is this meta or is it
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uh elon musk or who's really in back of this but these citizens are outraged and i talk to these
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people every day coming about the data centers taking up too much water and and and people have
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no idea who's going to control it how much power it's going to take how it's going to mess up the
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grid people across the country are fighting back on this right now and of course the framework
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there was a huge focus on child children's content etc but the bigger issue and that's
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what's so scary about altman's industrial policy the central issue is there is no they will fight
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to their death to have anything like an atomic energy commission that was set up to at least
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try to give some sort of rudimentary control over the nuclear power nuclear power when it
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was when it was quite nascent and we didn't realize uh both the total benefits from it and
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also what the downside was uh these oligarchs are absolutely maniacally obsessed with having
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total and complete control and also no transparency they don't want you to really understand they'll
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put us some gobbledygook but they don't want you to understand what what they're doing and so when
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sam maltman goes you know we got to be precise language but this thing could be here like really
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quickly as we told people now they're saying you got to be precise what you're talking about but
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it's going to be here but the abundance is going to be so enormous that you don't have to worry
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about it isn't now aren't we now getting to like the nub of what the fight is yeah and not steve
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i'm very skeptical both of the claim that they're going to have god in a box anytime soon and also
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the claim that we're going to have radical abundance beyond just massive investment in
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so-called economic productivity, which just translates into more and more profits for the
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CEOs themselves and for these corporations. And as far as capturing the government, I think,
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you know, you look at Marsha Blackburn's Trump America AI Act. And in that bill, Blackburn calls
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for the Department of Energy to be central in overseeing the labs to make sure that what's
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happening inside is safe, just like they do with nuclear weapons now. And then also to have DHS
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looking at any of the dangers that might be created, say, by rampant deepfakes or bots on
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the internet. What the industrial policy suggestions that are being put forward by
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OpenAI are doing is focusing everything on the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, Casey.
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It's unclear as to why, but if I had to imagine, it would be because Casey is still in a formative
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It's a year in almost, but over, I believe, but it's still very much in a formative phase.
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Pure speculation on my part, but I think that those efforts that you just mentioned before
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on the ground to make sure data centers are not becoming a scourge in people's backyards
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And also at the state level to make sure that children are protected from these systems, that they're not being induced into suicide or any other sort of bizarre sorts of behavior.
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And at the national level, the real accountability that these companies should have, you do have the beginnings of the fight there.
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That fight, Steve, beginning on the ground and moving its way up from the state to the federal level, that's not going to stop.
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And you have more and more people from the left, from the right, independents who are looking at this and they're saying we are being sold a bill of goods in religious language.
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They're building a digital God, sand gods. We don't buy it. We don't believe in it. We're not going to kneel to that digital God.
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I think that that uprising from all sorts of political leanings is going to be a formidable opponent in this.
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We don't have the money that they have, but we have the people.
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It's the one topic we have that there is a huge fight at every level.
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The grassroots local community, I mean, towns of 5,000 fighting the most powerful oligarchs
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in the world and taking them to planning commissions, to zoning commissions, right?
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It's like back to New England before the revolution, right?
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You also got all the corporations involved, et cetera.
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So it's a multi-level fight, but this transcends traditional politics.
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Where do people go for your new group that you're launching to get right into the middle of this fight, Joe?
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And I definitely want people to read the industrial policy.
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And then I'm going to play more of the Mike Allen interview with Altman later in the week.
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Where can people go to get, I want to immerse people in this information.
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The audience, if they want to really keep track of where this money is going, the audience
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should go to humansfirst.com forward slash AI dash spending.
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that's right at the top of my social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.
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It maps out what we know now of where the money's coming from,
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who it's going to, who they're trying to primary.
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And it's nonpartisan, so you can get a really good idea beyond the politics
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who is taking money from these big AI corporations.
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So again, that's humansfirst.com forward slash AI dash spending.
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And the link, for your convenience, right at the top of my social media
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at j o e b o t x y z and if i could just add one last thing steve go to the sublime these people
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with the data centers springing up everywhere they need to understand what the ultimate goal is
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and in the article also published today by ronan farrow in the new yorker on sam altman there's a
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quote from a former a open ai executive discussing the building of data centers in the uae and the
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massive abu dhabi campus that's supposed to be seven times larger than central park and the open
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AI executive, the former open AI executive said, the truth of this is we're building portals from
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which we're genuinely summoning aliens. And what he means by that is that these companies are
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creating a non-human form of cognition that they want to impose on every sector of society,
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quote unquote, alien intelligence. I think that just that notion alone, whether you think of it
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in sci-fi terms or not that notion alone should alarm you you should know they have the money
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to impose their will if you are not vigilant and pushing back on it so again humansfirst.com
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forward slash ai-spending what did joe allen teach us early on summoning the demon joe allen thank
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you magnificent work sir thank you see incredible no one know you're using your human agency here
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and probably one of the most important if not the most important fight that your species has ever
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had not your community not your family not your country right not your civilization the entire
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species mark beal uh ai policy network put tell us just get us an update a situation report
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on this huge fight because you've been one of the tip you're the tip of the spear in this thing
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where do you think we stand right now i mean i am much more optimistic although the forces
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against us are so overwhelming because they have so much money and so much power
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we've we've punched way above our weight and i think we've given more than we've taken here
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right or we've taken you know we've taken some great shots and landed some big blows
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and these guys have had to start to maneuver or try to maneuver around us sir i think that's right
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Steve and hope you had a blessed Easter thanks to folks like you like like the war room posse
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you know that the tech industry has been I think uh forced to think about compromises
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and it's looking at the fact that now on five state ballots data center moratoriums are are
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going to be voted on 12 other states have put you know our proposed laws to actually flat out ban
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them and the public is turning very much against this idea that you know AI is going to be good
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for them. And of course, after the last year of the industry trying to basically move forward
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without any rules or regulations, they were defeated. And now it's a critical moment. We
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have a midterm election coming up. AI is growing, probably it's growing the most out of any issue
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on the campaign trail in terms of salience in the mind of the voters. And people realize that
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compromise is going to have to happen here unless the public really turns away from what's going
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on. And remember, there are $700 billion being invested just this year on data centers. That's
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a lot of money at stake in a context against which the public is simply not with them.
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We have, how do I state this? If you look at the budget that was just put forward by
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President Trump and his team, and if you look at the investment,
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where investment dollars are going into manufacturing where investment dollars
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capital where capital is going into what we would consider industrial production right now
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the business model of the united states is where a highly leveraged bet on artificial intelligence
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a highly leveraged bet on artificial intelligence if this 700 billion remember this is like the
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annual number if this doesn't pay out and right now the way they want it to pay out is have total
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control so there's got they know there's got to be some compromise this is just going to lead to
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an economic they talk about radical abundance and you hear all this happy talk it's going to but you
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just look at the math right and particularly what they're going to need as far as capital resources
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because they don't have as much money as they have they don't have enough to do what they want to
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accomplished somehow that's going to have to come from the taxpayers from from from the little guy
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is going to have to give you their loan guarantees or there's going to be something involved here
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so their arrogance and i think their arrogance was driven because they came to dc mark and they
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looked around and said well these people are a bunch of mediocre losers right and and that's
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why they're in dc that's where they're in government and uh and we're you know we're the
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masters of the universe and we're just going to tell them what how does they forgot that the
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american people as mediocre as maybe some of these people in dcr they do represent the american
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people and the american people are not buying this they're not buying radical abundance they're not
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buying that these oligarchs have their best interests in mind they see every time it comes
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to meet them at where they live in their lived experience they see they're getting screwed in a
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big way and it's fundamentally changing that's why we're all over this situation in fort mead
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florida a little town of 5 500 people with a 4.4 million data center that they refuse to give any
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information about they just want to build it and people just had enough of it and they say no we're
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not going to allow this to happen you've seen this on capitol hill these first couple of bills
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how do you see this playing out you're right this is a massive bet but unlike what happened in the
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dot-com boom these companies are making money they're just not profitable yet and so every
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billion they're investing, they're expecting a return of $10 billion. And some of those numbers
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are starting to come in, the revenue is starting to come in, but will it be enough? And what's the
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timing and sequencing of all of this? Because in the end game, the bet is they will be able to
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automate fully most parts of the economy. And as a result, AI will be doing the lion's share of the
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productive activity. You made another really important point, and that is the investments
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and AI are contributing now to entire percentage points of GDP growth. And so I can see from the
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perspective of some people in the White House that anything to disrupt that in a campaign year
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like this one is risky. And you don't want to see the economy start to falter in a big way.
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But at the same time, it's just the reality of the situation that the public is not with us.
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And we know as Americans that claims of utopia, we're just skeptical of them.
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We are grounded in our American founding principles are grounded in human nature.
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We look at what happened in the Roman Republic.
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We look at it even in the Bolshevik Revolution when the worker's paradise was promised.
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And we know that when that utopia was promised, it ended in the gulag.
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And we don't want to see that happen to ourselves and to our families.
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And so I think the other thing that's important to remember, though, is that this could be an incredibly beneficial technology if properly steered.
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And I think the tech industry overplayed its hand when it tried to move forward without any rules.
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Now, if we can get the rules of the road right, we can protect the middle class.
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We can assure their economic viability in the future.
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We might be able to unlock an incredibly prosperous future for all Americans.
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And that's going to be some work that we're going to have to engineer that outcome.
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And under current conditions, I'm not confident that our colleagues here in D.C. are kind of waking up to this yet.
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So let's take – so we defeated AI Amnesty once.
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They then got an executive order that led to the framework.
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I think most of the framework's dead on arrival.
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it's on state ballots so their worst nightmare is that states are going to enforce this where
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do you think we stand overall for a federal regulation right now some sort of least
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modicum of a federal regulatory apparatus that would help make everybody feel better
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not just on the children's content but also on the on the on the main event which is exactly
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where this is going and about transparency of where the frontier labs are going
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it doesn't seem likely to me that at least under current conditions that there's any prospect of
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federal legislation moving forward it's unfortunate reality or fortunate depending on who you ask
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but the issue is now like very toxic and you know democrats are probably looking at this and saying
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why would we compromise right now the public is against you you've taken all these very unpopular
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positions and we are about to win the midterms and so why would we negotiate now we're going to
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wait until the end game and so i think there's going to be a lot of pressure on republicans
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to try to move something unfortunately there's just no there's just no votes uh and and it's
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not looking not looking good it's going to look another year of gridlock and uh nothing's going
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to happen in dc and the states are going to continue to do what they need to do to protect
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their citizens is is the gridlock actually benefit the oligarchs i mean because they
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they've got another year of which nothing happens so from a perverse incentive that's not the worst
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thing in the world for them, right? Because they feel they can fight these state regulations
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in some manner. If the federal regulation is a year or two away, you know, according to Altman,
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we may be at AGI by that time. Yeah, I think that's a great question. I think, you know,
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the industry's talking points has said basically that we can't have this framework of 50 different
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state regulations that's going to really affect our business, et cetera. And they've been pushing
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for a strong national standard. And for many years, that strong national standard was no standard at
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all. They were forced to the table, and now they want to negotiate, and they've put out some ideas,
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but they haven't been very strong. But the idea that these billion-dollar companies can't deal
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with state regulation is, I think, a little bit of a red herring. I think they are going to be
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perfectly fine in dealing with a lot of this. But really, it's time to, I think, kind of move the
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conversation. Like, what is it that we really want to see done, and how are we going to really
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protect families? And I think that that's the conversation that needs to happen now.
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The other thing I thought, I think there's another interesting dynamic when Mr. Ullman
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I think in some respects, many of these guys are true believers that they do believe that
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they're building this incredibly powerful technology that's going to fundamentally transform
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It's like, please, we're trying to work with the government to get this right because we
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And the government's sort of asleep at the helm and they're not really willing to work
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And at the same time, they're dealing with their own workforce who want to see stronger guardrails in some respects than the executives.
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So when these policies come out, there's a lot of internal negotiation between the executives, the C-suite, and the rank-and-file workers over this.
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And those rank-and-file workers are some of the most well-paid and highly educated workforce in the entire world, and they have a lot of leverage right now.
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And so the companies have to kind of listen to them.
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So kind of looking around the corner, it's really important to note that OpenAI is talking about superintelligence and putting out a concrete policy proposal.
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They're talking about things like the right for everyone to use an AI system.
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This is kind of like happening at the same time as Goldman Sachs just releasing a report that says AI is costing about $25,000 or 25,000 jobs per month now.
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And Gen Z is very limited economic prospects in the near future.
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And the bottom line is like, we don't know exactly what the future, like the contours of the future will look like.
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We know there's a tidal wave off the coast of the country and it's at least 100 meters tall and we need to start buttoning down the hatches.
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Mark, where do people go to get more of this information you just talked about and where they find out more about you and in your policy network?
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So we're the AI Policy Network, the AIPN.org slash membership.
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We want to see human flourishing in the age of intelligence,
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and we're working really hard to make that happen.
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And then, my personally, I'm at Mark Beal on X,
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and thank you for being one of the leaders of this fight.
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because advances in the technology may be overcoming everything?
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with sharia law and i told people what i think we're able to accomplish because there's so many
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great grassroots people down there and so many people working this we gave people a permission
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big uh meeting tomorrow in texas and the education board people are just you know they're they're
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they're now engaged in this but when we went down and spent the two months prior to the the primary
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as we went around visited people and talked to people i said yo this the sharia law thing is bad
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but right next right below it that people want to talk about is h1b visas it's just incredible so
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So a filmmaker named Tyler Olivera has made a film.
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And it's got, look, it's got some rough moments to it.
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It's like the Nick Shirley's and the Nick Sautour's.
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I just want to start the film, play the opening clip,
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and then I want to bring you in, Rosemary.
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But the fast forward now, you don't see any Americans.
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This is Frisco, Texas, a once quiet farm town turned home to one of the largest and fastest growing Indian communities in America.
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As the Indian population exploded from less than 2% to almost 20% Indian in the last 20 years,
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many Texans are outraged, declaring there has been an Indian invasion.
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I pulled up to the Frisco town hall meeting to witness the clash of heritage Texans and their new Indian neighbors.
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Why do you think Frisco became such a big hub for Indians?
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too expensive. We're going to hire Indians. If residents don't wake up, you could eventually have
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an entire Indian city council here because they're showing up to the voting polls and they're getting
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their people in. If we give this up, we're doomed. The devil would say, well, you're racist. That's
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racist. According to the devil's dictionary definition of the term, I am racist. I came here
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on H-1B. When did you come? 2004. I was only one Indian in my team. Everybody was Americans. But
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the fast forward now, if you go to my work, any other places, you don't see any Americans. I got
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laid off 20 years ago. I worked in IT. I have two master's degrees. How much do you think they pay
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the H-1B replacement? Well, at the time, you know, 20 years ago, they paid him probably half what I
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made. I haven't been able to find a job in IT since, and it's really sad. My name is Sri. My name
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is Inba. My name is Otto. My name is Siddharth. Hi, my name is JT. This is insurrection. This is
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the overthrow of the United States government. Why are people with multiple H-1B companies
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registered to one address donating to frisco's first indian mayor if these are truly high skilled
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germans or poles we'd welcome the net positive i urge the council to reject such a topic that
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divides residents based on where they came from every person in this room right now their ancestors
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have come from a different country a different continent it seems like there's a lot of indian
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people that are opening up their own companies and they have h1b so like are they using that
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that to bring people over? Are they possibly running laptop farms out of their houses and
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having employees from India do work? I mean, there's so many different questions. H-1Bs are
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the scapegoats. The employers, those are the people who have to investigate it. If we turn
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away from God and the word of God, if we worship these Indians, these Somalis, if we just give
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everything to them, willing to cut your own throat, we'll die. So what do I think about H-1B
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or whatever? I don't want to go to hell. I do not want to go to hell.
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rosemary and i don't want to hear about oh we're now charging them a hundred thousand dollars
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the company's hundred that's cutting it back we need there is no this program is only used by
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corporations to suppress wages of tech workers and get rid of american tech workers and bring
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in foreign tech workers full stop this is an abomination ma'am in this film you're so angry
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at the end of this, what you want to do is fire a politician. You want to fire the people that
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have supported this. Rosemary Jenks. Yeah, well, that's absolutely true. And apparently it's also
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supporting 7-Elevens. But yeah, this is the donor class ruling Congress. And it's not the people
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in Frisco who are to blame for this. It's Congress. Congress allowed this. The H-1B visa was created
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as a temporary three-year visa, within a few years, Congress decided that H-1B visa holders
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could stay indefinitely and bring their families here if they could find an employer who could
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sponsor them. So, you know, these folks have been here on an H-1B visa, a three-year visa,
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for decades, and they can bring their families. That is ridiculous. A temporary visa should be
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temporary. If we're going to allow any H-1B visa holders into the United States, they should be
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here for three years and then they should leave. And you know what? If we did that and if they
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couldn't bring their families with them, they would be a whole lot less attractive to employers
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because employers would have to train a new H-1B worker every three years and it would be cheaper
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to just hire an American. So, I mean, this whole system, the fraud in it, the overwhelming numbers
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of people coming through this pipeline. And remember, a lot of H-1Bs start here as foreign
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students, then they get OPT, which the government subsidizes the employers of foreign graduate
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students over Americans, and then they get H-1B visas, and then they just stay for decades.
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That is not the purpose of a temporary guest worker program.
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So, you know, yes, we should absolutely eliminate the H-1B program.
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But if the donor class will not allow Congress to do that, the very least we have to do is make it a temporary visa again.
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you have 12 million tech tech workers in this country the people that did everything right
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that have worked hard since they were in grammar school or grade school to to make sure they got
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into computer science in these hard tech double e these hard tech areas in colleges then many of
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them went to grad schools they these american workers are the one 12 main are not in the
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workforce right now the reason is is that we've overwhelmed the system with foreign workers
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But the thing is repeat fraud, including over in India, where they're recruiting these people that tell you a lot of these people don't even have degrees.
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So what is it going to take to get to the heart of this and shut the entire thing down and embarrass and humiliate people that, hey, you're not going to get to Congress.
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You're not going to get back in if you support H-1B visas and things like OPT.
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It's outrageous that American parents are sitting there and understanding their kids coming out with getting more limited opportunities every day because of artificial intelligence in tech now have to have a situation where the U.S. government's underwriting foreign students in the engineering and computer science field that take priority because we underwrite it, take priority over American kids at these companies because they're underwritten.
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and they can just slide into an H-1B visa, ma'am. Yeah. I mean, this is the problem, Steve. This is
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all about cheap labor all the way through the pipeline. It's about cheap labor. So until we
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make it so that it is more expensive to hire a foreign worker than an American, Congress is going
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to keep listening to the donors who are telling Congress, we won't be able to survive. Our company
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won't survive if we don't have cheap foreign labor. Well, you know, Steve, if we could put
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into place even a temporary solution to this so that we could show Congress that nobody's going
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to go out of business if they can't have a cheap foreign H-1B worker, and then we could actually
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say, okay, see, nothing happened. We didn't have Armageddon. Nothing fell apart. And then we could
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end the program. I just don't see Congress. We're seeing increasing numbers of members of Congress
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listening to the problems. And some of them have children who have gone to college and studied in
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tech fields and now can't find jobs. And that's helping us. But it's so slow. I mean, Congress is
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always so slow to get on the ball. But we've got to do something. And if we could get a partial
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fix to this, I would take it because that's at least a few American workers who are going to be
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better off than right now. But the situation, the status quo is completely unsustainable.
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It is devastating American workers. It's got to stop. And I think we will be able to
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at least start the process of fixing it this year.
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is the is the uh what president trump and lutna came up with paying the hundred thousand dollars
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is that had much of a impact at all that they've got to pay a bigger essentially license fee to
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get the hb1 workers in has that is that stunted this program at all it has scared a lot of the
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employers but the problem is if those employers can get their h1bs through the foreign student
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program or through the OPT program, they bypass that $100,000 fee. So, I mean, the problem is the
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president did what he is authorized to do. He can only do that with new admissions. Congress should
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come in and say that $100,000 fee applies across the board to every H-1B visa. Congress should also
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say it's a three-year visa. You don't get to bring your family. You come for three years and then you
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leave. Congress should also cut out all the exemptions to the cap and lower the cap. Congress
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should also say, if you get an H-1B visa, you can't adjust your status within the United States
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to anything else. You have to leave, period, full stop. Same thing if you come as a foreign student.
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When you graduate, you leave, full stop. Those are the kinds of things that would make an immediate
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difference and are less frightening to the donor class. Well, they're still going to be
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frightening to the donor class, but less frightening to members of Congress than just
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eliminating the program altogether. We'll take whatever we can get on this because
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Americans have to be put first and they are not now being put first.
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Rosemary, where do people go to find out more about your fight and what you're doing in leading
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this effort we're at iaproject.org iaproject.org we're on x at iaproject we need all the support
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we can get because you know we're butting up against the donor class here so we love the
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posse and appreciate your support the donor class that has run the republican party this is what
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they ran it into the ground before president trump they could not have won an election without
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president trump you just can't do it impossible they still haven't shown how they've can win any
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elections president trump's the war and posse and president trump and the mega base have won i think
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eight of the nine on a national level since he's been involved the one only one we've lost is the
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is nancy pelosi uh in 18 we beat her every other year but in 18 rosemary jenks uh did you give you
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also your social media or just give the website at i a project on x thank you man appreciate you
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thank you we're going to try to get the uh i'm gonna try to get the filmmaker up and do this
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tomorrow and break down part of this film and so everybody can see it pretty explosive
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one's very powerful in the situation with h1b as i've said from the very beginning it's a natural
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it's a it's a scam they ought to pull every h1b holder pull the visa immediately and send them
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and their families back home wherever that home is they still have never shown a billet that an
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american worker couldn't fill it they had a education and or job experience it's a total
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