Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 982： Industrial Policy For The Intelligence Age; Stopping The H1NB Takeover

00:00:00.000 I'm Mike Allen, co-founder of Axios.

00:00:10.680 We're talking today to Sam Altman, co-founder and CEO of OpenAI.

00:00:16.000 We're talking about superintelligence, the models that they have coming, and what DC

00:00:21.540 and you need to do to get ready.

00:00:24.420 The companies developing this and the government have to work extremely closely together.

00:00:28.860 I don't think this works as like a standard or a company and you're the government.

00:00:33.200 There's going to have to be very, very deep partnership here.

00:00:35.860 But that's not happening now.

00:00:37.980 Well, I think we're working very closely with the government.

00:00:41.540 How far are we from superintelligence?

00:00:43.980 How far are we from AGI, artificial general intelligence, human-like capability?

00:00:50.040 We're close enough to AGI that the precise definition matters.

00:00:53.660 Some people would say we're already there.

00:00:55.260 Some people would say we're not there yet.

00:00:57.380 We're quite far along.

00:00:58.620 Like this is we are in a new a new paradigm here of some sort.

00:01:02.880 So, Sam, in your new industrial policy, you're saying as vividly as you ever have.

00:01:06.640 And in this interview, you're saying as vividly as you ever have that AI will transform every aspect of our lives.

00:01:15.100 Why should people trust you to be at the forefront of it?

00:01:18.940 And the most fundamental part of what it means to be human, that's not going to transform at all.

00:01:22.580 And I think society may change in a lot of ways what it means to be a, you know, what it means to be a person.

00:01:28.620 what it means to have a fulfilling life,

00:01:30.560 how we choose to spend our time,

00:01:31.680 what we really want.

00:01:32.380 We'll have more flexibility

00:01:33.340 and more ability to achieve

00:01:35.220 and to have a fulfilling life.

00:01:36.860 I think that's pretty deep

00:01:38.200 and that's not going to change.

00:01:39.380 A lot of other things about the economy,

00:01:41.000 the way society works,

00:01:41.820 those may change a lot.

00:01:45.640 It's Easter Monday, 6 April,

00:01:47.160 Year of the Lord, 2026.

00:01:48.360 Mark Beal joins us.

00:01:49.680 Joe Allen has got a few minutes

00:01:51.600 before he's got a bolt.

00:01:53.880 Joe, we're fighting a war, Joe.

00:01:55.520 As you know, we spent a lot of time

00:01:56.720 on this now for the last 30 days.

00:01:58.620 In the Middle East, we talk geopolitics, geoeconomics, it's sucking up a lot of the airtime. 0.99

00:02:03.400 But there is a bigger and more important war going on in the imperial capital right now

00:02:07.780 that is actually going to have a major impact on our species,

00:02:11.920 and that is this whole fight about artificial intelligence.

00:02:15.100 Every time that the oligarchs come up, David Sachs and the oligarchs come up, we shred them.

00:02:19.920 The populist nationalist movement shreds these people in conjunction with some of the progressives,

00:02:26.360 but we shred them on really getting policy this framework they've they've put up has also been

00:02:31.420 kind of shredded now we got altman coming forward with a whole industrial policy they're taking i

00:02:37.640 i'm afraid to me they're trying to take another kind of end run on this thing saying we're almost

00:02:43.460 there we have to have a deep partnership with the government if you don't support us you're a luddite

00:02:48.240 joe allen your thoughts and observations sir

00:02:51.260 steve it's definitely a fair read that they are doing everything possible they being open ai but

00:02:58.840 also more quietly google definitely anthropic and xai any ai company that is struggling to control

00:03:07.300 the future is also going to have to control the politics around the technology and this ai

00:03:14.060 industrial policy that's being put forward by open ai this really is significant on a lot of levels

00:03:19.900 But one of the most significant is just purely on the level of ideas.

00:03:24.020 They're putting forward the idea that they are on the cusp of creating artificial super

00:03:30.080 intelligence.

00:03:31.080 This is defined in a lot of different ways, but we'll just say an AI that is smarter than

00:03:36.760 all human beings on the planet combined, a god, a digital god.

00:03:42.100 And so what are you going to do about it?

00:03:43.500 Then they go into the nuts and bolts of how you redistribute this radical abundance that

00:03:48.600 they're predicting, how you will have to have the government watch these corporations to make sure

00:03:54.320 their AIs don't go rogue and take over the country, take over the world, kill it. All these sorts of

00:04:00.600 ideas are floating around. So when they're saying super intelligence, they are affirming the goal

00:04:06.900 to create a being that is more powerful than all human beings on earth. That's, I think,

00:04:13.980 something that people really need to grapple with as you have these same people pouring money into

00:04:21.040 campaigns and various other sort of messaging operations around AI because they are trying

00:04:28.800 to control the narrative as to what this digital god will be, what this digital god will mean for

00:04:35.420 the population. Another point that I think really needs to hit home here, OpenAI acquired TBPN. It's

00:04:43.780 a tech bro podcast that a lot of the tech people listen to. This is an obvious attempt to reestablish

00:04:52.140 narrative control on what this technology is and what it will do. Another point that the audience

00:04:58.680 really should understand is the money. How is this money being spent? Well, one example is

00:05:04.320 Leading the Future, the super PAC that had 25 million put into it by Greg Brockman. That super

00:05:12.120 PAC is funding Byron Donald's in Florida, seemingly to counter signal Ron DeSantis AI

00:05:19.880 Bill of Rights. They describe their operation as a way to educate Floridians on the benefits

00:05:27.780 of AI in this, quote, magical era. What they are doing is buying up as many politicians as they

00:05:35.220 can. And this is only just begun in order to ensure that whoever is in there and whatever

00:05:41.080 controls are in place are going to benefit the AI companies first. And I think it's really

00:05:47.840 important that even if they're using these terms like human-centered and people first, that the

00:05:54.160 audience, which really doesn't need to be told this, but I guess to reaffirm to the audience,

00:05:59.040 we have to support those candidates that are going to put humans first.

00:06:03.660 but joe you say the 25 million i think it's there's another one to spread up it's 100 million

00:06:11.580 i think two of the in fact the 25 million i think is 100 million now too there's a couple

00:06:16.520 hundred million dollars that's out there to support candidates i noticed in texas they put

00:06:20.840 some money back of it sir just sorry sorry steve just to be really clear on that that's 25 million

00:06:27.340 from just greg brockman into leading the future they have right now 125 million yes 25 million

00:06:33.440 put in by Andreessen Horowitz, 25 or some odd million put in by Joe Lonsdale, so on and so

00:06:38.680 forth. And then you've got the Innovation Council Action, which is a nonprofit. It's dark money,

00:06:44.280 but reportedly they have a hundred million to dedicate to pro AI messaging to hand to

00:06:50.540 candidates and other social media influencers. We had, uh, we had Raul Alfonso from Watch Dogs

00:07:00.720 of Fort Meade. It's just a local group that sprung up out of nowhere because they realized they were

00:07:07.300 getting rolled on a data center. They live in a rural community. The town is, and Joe, you've been

00:07:13.480 to a thousand of these towns. It's roughly 5,000 people in a rural area of Florida. They want to

00:07:19.400 rezone the agricultural land to put up a 4.4 million square foot data center of which the

00:07:26.740 developers that come have been totally non-transparent on anything like who owns it

00:07:30.860 is it a foreign entity in back of it can the chinese get involved here is this meta or is it

00:07:36.900 uh elon musk or who's really in back of this but these citizens are outraged and i talk to these

00:07:42.580 people every day coming about the data centers taking up too much water and and and people have

00:07:48.700 no idea who's going to control it how much power it's going to take how it's going to mess up the

00:07:53.020 grid people across the country are fighting back on this right now and of course the framework

00:07:57.220 there was a huge focus on child children's content etc but the bigger issue and that's

00:08:03.840 what's so scary about altman's industrial policy the central issue is there is no they will fight

00:08:11.900 to their death to have anything like an atomic energy commission that was set up to at least

00:08:16.740 try to give some sort of rudimentary control over the nuclear power nuclear power when it

00:08:22.600 was when it was quite nascent and we didn't realize uh both the total benefits from it and

00:08:29.340 also what the downside was uh these oligarchs are absolutely maniacally obsessed with having 0.98

00:08:36.960 total and complete control and also no transparency they don't want you to really understand they'll

00:08:42.260 put us some gobbledygook but they don't want you to understand what what they're doing and so when

00:08:47.180 sam maltman goes you know we got to be precise language but this thing could be here like really

00:08:51.300 quickly as we told people now they're saying you got to be precise what you're talking about but

00:08:56.340 it's going to be here but the abundance is going to be so enormous that you don't have to worry

00:09:02.000 about it isn't now aren't we now getting to like the nub of what the fight is yeah and not steve

00:09:08.800 i'm very skeptical both of the claim that they're going to have god in a box anytime soon and also

00:09:14.700 the claim that we're going to have radical abundance beyond just massive investment in

00:09:20.380 so-called economic productivity, which just translates into more and more profits for the

00:09:25.020 CEOs themselves and for these corporations. And as far as capturing the government, I think,

00:09:31.660 you know, you look at Marsha Blackburn's Trump America AI Act. And in that bill, Blackburn calls

00:09:39.080 for the Department of Energy to be central in overseeing the labs to make sure that what's

00:09:46.940 happening inside is safe, just like they do with nuclear weapons now. And then also to have DHS

00:09:52.880 looking at any of the dangers that might be created, say, by rampant deepfakes or bots on

00:09:59.040 the internet. What the industrial policy suggestions that are being put forward by

00:10:05.200 OpenAI are doing is focusing everything on the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, Casey.

00:10:11.800 It's unclear as to why, but if I had to imagine, it would be because Casey is still in a formative

00:10:18.900 phase.

00:10:19.740 It's a year in almost, but over, I believe, but it's still very much in a formative phase.

00:10:25.820 They could possibly get control over that.

00:10:28.400 Pure speculation on my part, but I think that those efforts that you just mentioned before

00:10:33.180 on the ground to make sure data centers are not becoming a scourge in people's backyards

00:10:39.220 And also at the state level to make sure that children are protected from these systems, that they're not being induced into suicide or any other sort of bizarre sorts of behavior.

00:10:49.620 And at the national level, the real accountability that these companies should have, you do have the beginnings of the fight there.

00:10:57.160 That fight, Steve, beginning on the ground and moving its way up from the state to the federal level, that's not going to stop.

00:11:03.480 And you have more and more people from the left, from the right, independents who are looking at this and they're saying we are being sold a bill of goods in religious language.

00:11:14.420 They're building a digital God, sand gods. We don't buy it. We don't believe in it. We're not going to kneel to that digital God.

00:11:22.760 I think that that uprising from all sorts of political leanings is going to be a formidable opponent in this.

00:11:31.360 We don't have the money that they have, but we have the people.

00:11:35.500 And I think that will win the day.

00:11:37.640 No, it transcends traditional politics.

00:11:41.240 I can tell this already.

00:11:42.200 And you have it.

00:11:43.320 It's the one topic we have that there is a huge fight at every level.

00:11:47.380 The grassroots local community, I mean, towns of 5,000 fighting the most powerful oligarchs

00:11:52.840 in the world and taking them to planning commissions, to zoning commissions, right?

00:11:57.620 It's like back to New England before the revolution, right?

00:12:01.080 You have it at the very most local level.

00:12:03.980 You have it at the state level.

00:12:05.420 You have it at the federal level.

00:12:07.200 You also got all the corporations involved, et cetera.

00:12:10.020 So it's a multi-level fight, but this transcends traditional politics.

00:12:13.920 I can tell that already.

00:12:16.280 Humans first.

00:12:17.260 You guys are on a roll.

00:12:18.680 Where do people go for your new group that you're launching to get right into the middle of this fight, Joe?

00:12:24.800 And where can people get your writings?

00:12:26.140 And I definitely want people to read the industrial policy.

00:12:29.780 And then I'm going to play more of the Mike Allen interview with Altman later in the week.

00:12:35.120 Where can people go to get, I want to immerse people in this information.

00:12:40.420 The audience, if they want to really keep track of where this money is going, the audience

00:12:44.900 should go to humansfirst.com forward slash AI dash spending.

00:12:50.180 that's right at the top of my social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.

00:12:56.900 It maps out what we know now of where the money's coming from,

00:13:01.180 who it's going to, who they're trying to primary.

00:13:04.320 And it's nonpartisan, so you can get a really good idea beyond the politics

00:13:07.900 who is taking money from these big AI corporations.

00:13:11.380 So again, that's humansfirst.com forward slash AI dash spending.

00:13:15.360 And the link, for your convenience, right at the top of my social media

00:13:18.280 at j o e b o t x y z and if i could just add one last thing steve go to the sublime these people

00:13:23.900 with the data centers springing up everywhere they need to understand what the ultimate goal is

00:13:28.140 and in the article also published today by ronan farrow in the new yorker on sam altman there's a

00:13:34.500 quote from a former a open ai executive discussing the building of data centers in the uae and the

00:13:41.340 massive abu dhabi campus that's supposed to be seven times larger than central park and the open

00:13:46.740 AI executive, the former open AI executive said, the truth of this is we're building portals from

00:13:53.140 which we're genuinely summoning aliens. And what he means by that is that these companies are

00:13:59.580 creating a non-human form of cognition that they want to impose on every sector of society,

00:14:06.780 quote unquote, alien intelligence. I think that just that notion alone, whether you think of it

00:14:12.600 in sci-fi terms or not that notion alone should alarm you you should know they have the money

00:14:17.820 to impose their will if you are not vigilant and pushing back on it so again humansfirst.com

00:14:23.700 forward slash ai-spending what did joe allen teach us early on summoning the demon joe allen thank

00:14:32.700 you magnificent work sir thank you see incredible no one know you're using your human agency here

00:14:41.520 and probably one of the most important if not the most important fight that your species has ever

00:14:46.880 had not your community not your family not your country right not your civilization the entire

00:14:54.020 species mark beal uh ai policy network put tell us just get us an update a situation report

00:15:03.320 on this huge fight because you've been one of the tip you're the tip of the spear in this thing

00:15:07.560 where do you think we stand right now i mean i am much more optimistic although the forces

00:15:14.260 against us are so overwhelming because they have so much money and so much power

00:15:17.800 we've we've punched way above our weight and i think we've given more than we've taken here

00:15:23.780 right or we've taken you know we've taken some great shots and landed some big blows

00:15:28.500 and these guys have had to start to maneuver or try to maneuver around us sir i think that's right

00:15:34.280 Steve and hope you had a blessed Easter thanks to folks like you like like the war room posse 0.99

00:15:39.380 you know that the tech industry has been I think uh forced to think about compromises

00:15:45.000 and it's looking at the fact that now on five state ballots data center moratoriums are are

00:15:50.880 going to be voted on 12 other states have put you know our proposed laws to actually flat out ban

00:15:57.140 them and the public is turning very much against this idea that you know AI is going to be good

00:16:03.600 for them. And of course, after the last year of the industry trying to basically move forward

00:16:09.460 without any rules or regulations, they were defeated. And now it's a critical moment. We

00:16:14.640 have a midterm election coming up. AI is growing, probably it's growing the most out of any issue

00:16:21.100 on the campaign trail in terms of salience in the mind of the voters. And people realize that

00:16:26.260 compromise is going to have to happen here unless the public really turns away from what's going

00:16:31.280 on. And remember, there are $700 billion being invested just this year on data centers. That's

00:16:37.680 a lot of money at stake in a context against which the public is simply not with them.

00:16:44.660 We have, how do I state this? If you look at the budget that was just put forward by

00:16:52.320 President Trump and his team, and if you look at the investment,

00:16:55.940 where investment dollars are going into manufacturing where investment dollars

00:17:02.820 capital where capital is going into what we would consider industrial production right now

00:17:10.440 the business model of the united states is where a highly leveraged bet on artificial intelligence

00:17:17.960 a highly leveraged bet on artificial intelligence if this 700 billion remember this is like the

00:17:23.240 annual number if this doesn't pay out and right now the way they want it to pay out is have total

00:17:29.860 control so there's got they know there's got to be some compromise this is just going to lead to

00:17:34.460 an economic they talk about radical abundance and you hear all this happy talk it's going to but you

00:17:40.220 just look at the math right and particularly what they're going to need as far as capital resources

00:17:44.740 because they don't have as much money as they have they don't have enough to do what they want to

00:17:49.740 accomplished somehow that's going to have to come from the taxpayers from from from the little guy

00:17:54.900 is going to have to give you their loan guarantees or there's going to be something involved here

00:17:58.580 so their arrogance and i think their arrogance was driven because they came to dc mark and they 0.94

00:18:04.560 looked around and said well these people are a bunch of mediocre losers right and and that's 0.94

00:18:09.560 why they're in dc that's where they're in government and uh and we're you know we're the 0.97

00:18:14.380 masters of the universe and we're just going to tell them what how does they forgot that the

00:18:18.900 american people as mediocre as maybe some of these people in dcr they do represent the american 0.81

00:18:25.120 people and the american people are not buying this they're not buying radical abundance they're not 0.69

00:18:29.360 buying that these oligarchs have their best interests in mind they see every time it comes

00:18:33.620 to meet them at where they live in their lived experience they see they're getting screwed in a

00:18:39.580 big way and it's fundamentally changing that's why we're all over this situation in fort mead

00:18:44.460 florida a little town of 5 500 people with a 4.4 million data center that they refuse to give any

00:18:51.580 information about they just want to build it and people just had enough of it and they say no we're

00:18:55.340 not going to allow this to happen you've seen this on capitol hill these first couple of bills

00:18:59.480 how do you see this playing out you're right this is a massive bet but unlike what happened in the

00:19:06.620 dot-com boom these companies are making money they're just not profitable yet and so every

00:19:12.440 billion they're investing, they're expecting a return of $10 billion. And some of those numbers

00:19:18.480 are starting to come in, the revenue is starting to come in, but will it be enough? And what's the

00:19:22.040 timing and sequencing of all of this? Because in the end game, the bet is they will be able to

00:19:26.560 automate fully most parts of the economy. And as a result, AI will be doing the lion's share of the

00:19:33.020 productive activity. You made another really important point, and that is the investments

00:19:37.320 and AI are contributing now to entire percentage points of GDP growth. And so I can see from the

00:19:44.440 perspective of some people in the White House that anything to disrupt that in a campaign year

00:19:49.340 like this one is risky. And you don't want to see the economy start to falter in a big way.

00:19:56.900 But at the same time, it's just the reality of the situation that the public is not with us.

00:20:01.280 And we know as Americans that claims of utopia, we're just skeptical of them.

00:20:06.700 We are grounded in our American founding principles are grounded in human nature.

00:20:11.120 We look at history.

00:20:12.180 We look at what happened in the Roman Republic.

00:20:13.780 We look at it even in the Bolshevik Revolution when the worker's paradise was promised. 0.93

00:20:19.200 And we know that when that utopia was promised, it ended in the gulag.

00:20:22.300 And we don't want to see that happen to ourselves and to our families.

00:20:26.140 And so I think the other thing that's important to remember, though, is that this could be an incredibly beneficial technology if properly steered.

00:20:33.960 And I think the tech industry overplayed its hand when it tried to move forward without any rules.

00:20:38.580 Now, if we can get the rules of the road right, we can protect the middle class. 0.62

00:20:42.480 We can assure their economic viability in the future.

00:20:45.680 We might be able to unlock an incredibly prosperous future for all Americans.

00:20:50.060 And that's going to be some work that we're going to have to engineer that outcome.

00:20:53.480 And under current conditions, I'm not confident that our colleagues here in D.C. are kind of waking up to this yet.

00:21:01.280 You're one of the ones steering this.

00:21:03.160 So let's take – so we defeated AI Amnesty once.

00:21:06.980 We defeated it twice.

00:21:08.200 They then got an executive order that led to the framework.

00:21:11.320 The framework came out.

00:21:12.780 I think most of the framework's dead on arrival.

00:21:16.020 So where do we actually stand right now?

00:21:18.500 You've got Blackburn's bill.

00:21:19.540 You've got other aspects they're doing.

00:21:21.860 You've got states.

00:21:22.980 it's on state ballots so their worst nightmare is that states are going to enforce this where

00:21:28.340 do you think we stand overall for a federal regulation right now some sort of least

00:21:32.980 modicum of a federal regulatory apparatus that would help make everybody feel better

00:21:39.300 not just on the children's content but also on the on the on the main event which is exactly

00:21:45.140 where this is going and about transparency of where the frontier labs are going

00:21:50.300 it doesn't seem likely to me that at least under current conditions that there's any prospect of

00:21:57.280 federal legislation moving forward it's unfortunate reality or fortunate depending on who you ask

00:22:03.320 but the issue is now like very toxic and you know democrats are probably looking at this and saying

00:22:08.460 why would we compromise right now the public is against you you've taken all these very unpopular

00:22:13.800 positions and we are about to win the midterms and so why would we negotiate now we're going to

00:22:18.620 wait until the end game and so i think there's going to be a lot of pressure on republicans

00:22:21.900 to try to move something unfortunately there's just no there's just no votes uh and and it's

00:22:26.940 not looking not looking good it's going to look another year of gridlock and uh nothing's going

00:22:31.360 to happen in dc and the states are going to continue to do what they need to do to protect

00:22:34.380 their citizens is is the gridlock actually benefit the oligarchs i mean because they

00:22:41.040 they've got another year of which nothing happens so from a perverse incentive that's not the worst

00:22:47.840 thing in the world for them, right? Because they feel they can fight these state regulations

00:22:51.480 in some manner. If the federal regulation is a year or two away, you know, according to Altman,

00:22:58.140 we may be at AGI by that time. Yeah, I think that's a great question. I think, you know,

00:23:03.720 the industry's talking points has said basically that we can't have this framework of 50 different

00:23:09.040 state regulations that's going to really affect our business, et cetera. And they've been pushing

00:23:13.400 for a strong national standard. And for many years, that strong national standard was no standard at

00:23:17.600 all. They were forced to the table, and now they want to negotiate, and they've put out some ideas,

00:23:22.460 but they haven't been very strong. But the idea that these billion-dollar companies can't deal

00:23:28.060 with state regulation is, I think, a little bit of a red herring. I think they are going to be

00:23:31.700 perfectly fine in dealing with a lot of this. But really, it's time to, I think, kind of move the

00:23:35.600 conversation. Like, what is it that we really want to see done, and how are we going to really

00:23:41.320 protect families? And I think that that's the conversation that needs to happen now.

00:23:45.680 The other thing I thought, I think there's another interesting dynamic when Mr. Ullman

00:23:49.500 and opening eye releases this policy.

00:23:52.980 I think in some respects, many of these guys are true believers that they do believe that

00:23:56.600 they're building this incredibly powerful technology that's going to fundamentally transform

00:24:00.220 society.

00:24:01.120 And in some cases, like a cry for help.

00:24:02.680 It's like, please, we're trying to work with the government to get this right because we

00:24:07.600 think it could be really beneficial.

00:24:09.480 And the government's sort of asleep at the helm and they're not really willing to work

00:24:14.360 with us.

00:24:14.700 And at the same time, they're dealing with their own workforce who want to see stronger guardrails in some respects than the executives.

00:24:21.620 So when these policies come out, there's a lot of internal negotiation between the executives, the C-suite, and the rank-and-file workers over this.

00:24:29.820 And those rank-and-file workers are some of the most well-paid and highly educated workforce in the entire world, and they have a lot of leverage right now.

00:24:36.760 And so the companies have to kind of listen to them.

00:24:38.920 So kind of looking around the corner, it's really important to note that OpenAI is talking about superintelligence and putting out a concrete policy proposal.

00:24:46.500 They're talking about things like the right for everyone to use an AI system.

00:24:50.300 They're talking about social safety nets.

00:24:52.940 This is kind of like happening at the same time as Goldman Sachs just releasing a report that says AI is costing about $25,000 or 25,000 jobs per month now.

00:25:02.360 And Gen Z is very limited economic prospects in the near future. 1.00

00:25:06.560 And the bottom line is like, we don't know exactly what the future, like the contours of the future will look like.

00:25:11.260 We know there's a tidal wave off the coast of the country and it's at least 100 meters tall and we need to start buttoning down the hatches.

00:25:20.500 Mark, where do people go to get more of this information you just talked about and where they find out more about you and in your policy network?

00:25:27.960 So we're the AI Policy Network, the AIPN.org slash membership.

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00:25:36.280 We're pro-human.

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00:25:48.980 Thank you for joining us today,

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00:25:53.620 Thank you, Steve.

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00:33:06.320 some more on artificial intelligence tomorrow we're going to get some information to you guys

00:33:12.380 to immerse yourself some more because these victories have been your victories um that's

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00:33:22.860 said hell yeah we'll do that trevor comstock's been a long tough day it's been a long tough

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00:37:06.320 trevor and the team rosemary jenks um rosemary when we went to texas to work on the situation

00:37:14.560 with sharia law and i told people what i think we're able to accomplish because there's so many

00:37:19.960 great grassroots people down there and so many people working this we gave people a permission

00:37:24.180 structure to actually be able to talk about this topic and then it just exploded you know we had

00:37:28.760 almost two million votes on the on the referendum uh during the primary people all over it we got a

00:37:35.600 big uh meeting tomorrow in texas and the education board people are just you know they're they're

00:37:40.440 they're now engaged in this but when we went down and spent the two months prior to the the primary

00:37:45.980 when i got down there particularly in these cities north of the dallas fortwood metroplex

00:37:50.560 as we went around visited people and talked to people i said yo this the sharia law thing is bad 0.86

00:37:56.340 but right next right below it that people want to talk about is h1b visas it's just incredible so

00:38:02.760 So a filmmaker named Tyler Olivera has made a film.

00:38:10.300 We're going to put it up.

00:38:11.320 I strongly recommend people watch it.

00:38:13.560 And it's got, look, it's got some rough moments to it.

00:38:16.460 It's like the Nick Shirley's and the Nick Sautour's.

00:38:18.600 These guys are out there in the field.

00:38:20.380 Let's go and play.

00:38:21.060 I just want to start the film, play the opening clip,

00:38:23.620 and then I want to bring you in, Rosemary. 0.68

00:38:26.360 I came here on H-1B 2004.

00:38:28.620 Everybody was Americans.

00:38:29.520 But the fast forward now, you don't see any Americans.

00:38:32.360 This is Frisco, Texas, a once quiet farm town turned home to one of the largest and fastest growing Indian communities in America.

00:38:41.440 As the Indian population exploded from less than 2% to almost 20% Indian in the last 20 years,

00:38:48.400 many Texans are outraged, declaring there has been an Indian invasion.

00:38:52.920 I pulled up to the Frisco town hall meeting to witness the clash of heritage Texans and their new Indian neighbors. 1.00

00:38:59.400 Where are you from?

00:39:00.320 Hyderabad.

00:39:00.880 Hyderabad.

00:39:01.560 Hyderabad.

00:39:02.000 I'm from India.

00:39:03.000 I'm from India.

00:39:04.000 Where in India?

00:39:05.000 Hyderabad?

00:39:06.000 Why do you think Frisco became such a big hub for Indians?

00:39:07.000 They have their own community here.

00:39:09.000 No, it's not like that.

00:39:10.000 Not like that here in Frisco?

00:39:11.000 No.

00:39:12.000 Motherland India or Texas, USA?

00:39:13.000 No, obviously Motherland India.

00:39:15.000 Obviously Motherland India. 0.97

00:39:16.000 Hyderabad, of course.

00:39:17.000 Really?

00:39:18.000 Did you come here on H-1B?

00:39:19.000 Yeah.

00:39:20.000 I'm on H-1B.

00:39:21.000 H-1B?

00:39:22.000 Yeah.

00:39:23.000 You're H-1B?

00:39:24.000 Yeah.

00:39:25.000 Working here at 7-Eleven?

00:39:26.000 Yeah.

00:39:27.000 We need more or less H-1B people here?

00:39:28.000 We need a lot less.

00:39:29.000 I have two master's degree.

00:39:30.000 I was making over $100,000 a year.

00:39:31.000 too expensive. We're going to hire Indians. If residents don't wake up, you could eventually have 1.00

00:39:34.860 an entire Indian city council here because they're showing up to the voting polls and they're getting

00:39:39.200 their people in. If we give this up, we're doomed. The devil would say, well, you're racist. That's

00:39:43.900 racist. According to the devil's dictionary definition of the term, I am racist. I came here

00:39:48.840 on H-1B. When did you come? 2004. I was only one Indian in my team. Everybody was Americans. But

00:39:54.940 the fast forward now, if you go to my work, any other places, you don't see any Americans. I got

00:39:59.860 laid off 20 years ago. I worked in IT. I have two master's degrees. How much do you think they pay

00:40:05.140 the H-1B replacement? Well, at the time, you know, 20 years ago, they paid him probably half what I

00:40:09.600 made. I haven't been able to find a job in IT since, and it's really sad. My name is Sri. My name

00:40:15.120 is Inba. My name is Otto. My name is Siddharth. Hi, my name is JT. This is insurrection. This is

00:40:22.720 the overthrow of the United States government. Why are people with multiple H-1B companies

00:40:27.180 registered to one address donating to frisco's first indian mayor if these are truly high skilled

00:40:31.740 germans or poles we'd welcome the net positive i urge the council to reject such a topic that

00:40:37.260 divides residents based on where they came from every person in this room right now their ancestors

00:40:42.780 have come from a different country a different continent it seems like there's a lot of indian

00:40:47.020 people that are opening up their own companies and they have h1b so like are they using that

00:40:52.140 that to bring people over? Are they possibly running laptop farms out of their houses and

00:40:57.000 having employees from India do work? I mean, there's so many different questions. H-1Bs are 1.00

00:41:00.540 the scapegoats. The employers, those are the people who have to investigate it. If we turn

00:41:04.500 away from God and the word of God, if we worship these Indians, these Somalis, if we just give 1.00

00:41:09.860 everything to them, willing to cut your own throat, we'll die. So what do I think about H-1B 1.00

00:41:15.040 or whatever? I don't want to go to hell. I do not want to go to hell.

00:41:19.060 rosemary and i don't want to hear about oh we're now charging them a hundred thousand dollars

00:41:25.360 the company's hundred that's cutting it back we need there is no this program is only used by

00:41:32.400 corporations to suppress wages of tech workers and get rid of american tech workers and bring

00:41:39.000 in foreign tech workers full stop this is an abomination ma'am in this film you're so angry 1.00

00:41:46.180 at the end of this, what you want to do is fire a politician. You want to fire the people that

00:41:50.840 have supported this. Rosemary Jenks. Yeah, well, that's absolutely true. And apparently it's also

00:41:56.040 supporting 7-Elevens. But yeah, this is the donor class ruling Congress. And it's not the people

00:42:04.120 in Frisco who are to blame for this. It's Congress. Congress allowed this. The H-1B visa was created

00:42:11.700 as a temporary three-year visa, within a few years, Congress decided that H-1B visa holders

00:42:18.840 could stay indefinitely and bring their families here if they could find an employer who could

00:42:25.300 sponsor them. So, you know, these folks have been here on an H-1B visa, a three-year visa,

00:42:31.260 for decades, and they can bring their families. That is ridiculous. A temporary visa should be 1.00

00:42:38.040 temporary. If we're going to allow any H-1B visa holders into the United States, they should be 1.00

00:42:44.220 here for three years and then they should leave. And you know what? If we did that and if they

00:42:49.260 couldn't bring their families with them, they would be a whole lot less attractive to employers

00:42:54.320 because employers would have to train a new H-1B worker every three years and it would be cheaper

00:43:00.320 to just hire an American. So, I mean, this whole system, the fraud in it, the overwhelming numbers 1.00

00:43:08.700 of people coming through this pipeline. And remember, a lot of H-1Bs start here as foreign 0.83

00:43:14.700 students, then they get OPT, which the government subsidizes the employers of foreign graduate

00:43:20.560 students over Americans, and then they get H-1B visas, and then they just stay for decades.

00:43:26.400 That is not the purpose of a temporary guest worker program.

00:43:30.920 So, you know, yes, we should absolutely eliminate the H-1B program. 0.71

00:43:36.140 But if the donor class will not allow Congress to do that, the very least we have to do is make it a temporary visa again.

00:43:46.920 you have 12 million tech tech workers in this country the people that did everything right

00:43:54.980 that have worked hard since they were in grammar school or grade school to to make sure they got

00:43:59.760 into computer science in these hard tech double e these hard tech areas in colleges then many of

00:44:05.600 them went to grad schools they these american workers are the one 12 main are not in the

00:44:10.180 workforce right now the reason is is that we've overwhelmed the system with foreign workers 0.99

00:44:15.420 because of cheaper wages

00:44:17.920 and the fact that they'll put up

00:44:20.740 with more than American workers

00:44:22.060 are prepared to put up.

00:44:23.400 So when you say the donor class,

00:44:24.780 what is it going to take

00:44:25.800 to strike at the heart of this?

00:44:27.200 You've been working this problem

00:44:28.400 for a while.

00:44:29.140 I know you've got certain solutions

00:44:30.460 that are out there.

00:44:31.480 But if you wanted to eradicate, 0.59

00:44:32.980 because no one,

00:44:34.680 maybe they've shown you,

00:44:35.680 but this film says

00:44:36.760 H-1B visas,

00:44:38.960 they're using them for 7-Eleven

00:44:40.700 for guys running 7-Elevens.

00:44:42.940 The whole thing is a scam.

00:44:44.020 It's not close to being not a scam.

00:44:46.820 That's pure fraud, right?

00:44:48.200 But the thing is repeat fraud, including over in India, where they're recruiting these people that tell you a lot of these people don't even have degrees.

00:44:57.020 So what is it going to take to get to the heart of this and shut the entire thing down and embarrass and humiliate people that, hey, you're not going to get to Congress.

00:45:06.540 You're not going to get reelected.

00:45:07.780 You're not going to get back in if you support H-1B visas and things like OPT.

00:45:12.260 It's outrageous that American parents are sitting there and understanding their kids coming out with getting more limited opportunities every day because of artificial intelligence in tech now have to have a situation where the U.S. government's underwriting foreign students in the engineering and computer science field that take priority because we underwrite it, take priority over American kids at these companies because they're underwritten.

00:45:41.340 and they can just slide into an H-1B visa, ma'am. Yeah. I mean, this is the problem, Steve. This is

00:45:47.000 all about cheap labor all the way through the pipeline. It's about cheap labor. So until we

00:45:53.320 make it so that it is more expensive to hire a foreign worker than an American, Congress is going

00:46:01.260 to keep listening to the donors who are telling Congress, we won't be able to survive. Our company

00:46:06.540 won't survive if we don't have cheap foreign labor. Well, you know, Steve, if we could put 1.00

00:46:11.340 into place even a temporary solution to this so that we could show Congress that nobody's going

00:46:19.000 to go out of business if they can't have a cheap foreign H-1B worker, and then we could actually 0.51

00:46:25.360 say, okay, see, nothing happened. We didn't have Armageddon. Nothing fell apart. And then we could

00:46:30.740 end the program. I just don't see Congress. We're seeing increasing numbers of members of Congress

00:46:37.640 listening to the problems. And some of them have children who have gone to college and studied in

00:46:44.520 tech fields and now can't find jobs. And that's helping us. But it's so slow. I mean, Congress is

00:46:50.960 always so slow to get on the ball. But we've got to do something. And if we could get a partial

00:46:58.240 fix to this, I would take it because that's at least a few American workers who are going to be

00:47:03.560 better off than right now. But the situation, the status quo is completely unsustainable.

00:47:10.700 It is devastating American workers. It's got to stop. And I think we will be able to 1.00

00:47:17.540 at least start the process of fixing it this year.

00:47:22.140 is the is the uh what president trump and lutna came up with paying the hundred thousand dollars

00:47:29.340 is that had much of a impact at all that they've got to pay a bigger essentially license fee to

00:47:35.340 get the hb1 workers in has that is that stunted this program at all it has scared a lot of the

00:47:41.800 employers but the problem is if those employers can get their h1bs through the foreign student

00:47:48.200 program or through the OPT program, they bypass that $100,000 fee. So, I mean, the problem is the

00:47:56.360 president did what he is authorized to do. He can only do that with new admissions. Congress should

00:48:03.880 come in and say that $100,000 fee applies across the board to every H-1B visa. Congress should also

00:48:11.880 say it's a three-year visa. You don't get to bring your family. You come for three years and then you

00:48:17.460 leave. Congress should also cut out all the exemptions to the cap and lower the cap. Congress

00:48:22.940 should also say, if you get an H-1B visa, you can't adjust your status within the United States

00:48:29.920 to anything else. You have to leave, period, full stop. Same thing if you come as a foreign student. 0.72

00:48:34.900 When you graduate, you leave, full stop. Those are the kinds of things that would make an immediate

00:48:40.200 difference and are less frightening to the donor class. Well, they're still going to be

00:48:46.060 frightening to the donor class, but less frightening to members of Congress than just

00:48:50.740 eliminating the program altogether. We'll take whatever we can get on this because

00:48:55.660 Americans have to be put first and they are not now being put first. 1.00

00:49:03.040 Rosemary, where do people go to find out more about your fight and what you're doing in leading

00:49:08.940 this effort we're at iaproject.org iaproject.org we're on x at iaproject we need all the support

00:49:19.780 we can get because you know we're butting up against the donor class here so we love the

00:49:25.120 posse and appreciate your support the donor class that has run the republican party this is what

00:49:32.620 they ran it into the ground before president trump they could not have won an election without

00:49:36.200 president trump you just can't do it impossible they still haven't shown how they've can win any

00:49:40.840 elections president trump's the war and posse and president trump and the mega base have won i think

00:49:45.520 eight of the nine on a national level since he's been involved the one only one we've lost is the

00:49:51.220 is nancy pelosi uh in 18 we beat her every other year but in 18 rosemary jenks uh did you give you 0.99

00:49:59.180 also your social media or just give the website at i a project on x thank you man appreciate you

00:50:09.060 thank you we're going to try to get the uh i'm gonna try to get the filmmaker up and do this

00:50:14.520 tomorrow and break down part of this film and so everybody can see it pretty explosive

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00:50:23.800 going out and making very compelling product is a perfect no right because these guys are working

00:50:30.020 on bootstrap bootstrap um they're bootstrapping these films just absolutely incredible but this

00:50:36.520 one's very powerful in the situation with h1b as i've said from the very beginning it's a natural 0.77

00:50:42.700 it's a it's a scam they ought to pull every h1b holder pull the visa immediately and send them 1.00

00:50:51.540 and their families back home wherever that home is they still have never shown a billet that an 0.69

00:50:58.880 american worker couldn't fill it they had a education and or job experience it's a total 1.00

00:51:05.240 scam it's just to suppress wages and now with artificial intelligence on becoming at one angle

00:51:11.340 and the h1b and the foreign workers come another angle you wonder people why these young people 0.98

00:51:17.180 why these particularly young men why are they so frustrated why are they so angry uh because

00:51:22.420 the very system that their parents and grandparents and others sacrifice to for this country

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00:51:35.240 these foreign wars and then they don't accrete the value of it it's a it's sick it's sick and 0.55

00:51:43.140 has to be unwound. America, we have to put America first, and we're not doing that. America has to be

00:51:49.620 first in everything. But American citizens have to be above all. American citizens should have

00:51:56.780 a special deal, kind of like citizenship in the Roman Empire or the Roman Republic. Back in the 0.82

00:52:03.460 days of that republic, the Roman citizenship came with big benefits. It had big obligations too. 0.84

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Bannon's War Room - April 06, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 982： Industrial Policy For The Intelligence Age; Stopping The H1NB Takeover

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