00:04:53.840especially because we do this one-hour-a-week show,
00:04:58.640We have a largely evangelical audience, but the editorial policy is specifically to bring news for traditional Catholics.
00:05:06.160As long as those traditional Catholics feel empowered and feel their agency,
00:05:11.960which is something that Steve talks about basically every hour of his four hours of programming per day,
00:05:18.260that's fine. It doesn't matter if the political leadership sits it out.
00:05:22.660So this is a movement-based opposition.
00:05:24.480And in the end, and this is something we've been asking for since this show basically started five, six years ago, in the end, it's going to be the laity that will correct course on the church.
00:05:42.120It won't be the Highling Shepherds because all those Highling Shepherds have been responsible for is driving the church into the ground from its heyday in the 1950s to now basically dioceses having bankruptcies right across the West, closing seminaries and what have you.
00:06:03.260There are some green shoots showing, and we'll be talking about those a little later with Jenny Holland in the show, who very diligently follows these developments.
00:06:12.800But I'll make the point later that what we're seeing here needs to be understood in its context.
00:06:17.660The green shoots have a very particular purpose.
00:06:20.180OK, but we'll come to those points later. Let's start Frank Walker.
00:06:24.040Having spoken about Not My Pope VII just now, and he is definitely gearing up and making his opposition ever more clear, ever more visible.
00:07:11.200immediate predecessors, Walter, is calling an unprecedented attack on a head of state.
00:07:18.500He basically said that Trump's threat to destroy Iranian civilization is unacceptable.
00:07:26.320Now, I have to say, I wasn't a big fan of that comment myself, to be honest with you.
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00:07:32.300But I think it's unacceptable that a religious leader is coming in here and using certain political events to enter the narrative and trying to get the story all about him.
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00:07:50.880I think quite rightly, Frank Walker, tell me here, quite rightly, the administration's response will be, you know, your holiness, perhaps get your own house in order first, right?
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00:08:02.300Well, that's certainly what you hear from the leader of the ICE program.
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00:08:06.100He says that all the time, you know, as a Catholic, you need to get your own house in order.
00:08:11.980I think what happened with Trump in this, he's had a couple of very incendiary things that he has thrown out there lately.
00:08:19.920And, you know, all of the left and the people in the Catholic press that were supporting Leo and saying he's OK and he's very Catholic against all evidence at the beginning of his pontificate a year ago, they're all very, very never Trump right now.
00:09:48.040And the very next morning, we have a peace agreement.
00:09:53.420We have a so-called sort of a ceasefire, a situation where the peace is there.
00:09:58.320And so Trump, you know, brilliantly has used all his opposition to make his point.
00:10:06.840They've made his point because he's proven to them that pacifism is not the solution.
00:10:12.120Pacifism never brings peace, that the war is not really necessarily unjust at all.
00:10:17.400You know, there's only been about—I want to see maybe 2,000 people have died in Iraq based on these combined American and Israeli attacks.
00:10:26.400But there's been almost 50,000 people that died protesting the government that's there.
00:10:30.860So you have a war that has been fought with limited casualties against military targets.
00:10:36.500And instead of just doing by surprise bombing the other civilizational targets like power plants, he gave them a warning.
00:20:11.040Jenny Holland, Gen Z is coming back to God.
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00:20:13.960This is something that I think you're one of the world leaders on the phenomenon on this, watching what's going on on social media.
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00:20:21.160Tell us, tell the Warren Posse, exactly what was in, I think it's the Washington Post article, right, on exactly this phenomenon.
00:20:32.260Well, if I am the world leader on this, then God does indeed work in mysterious ways, Ben.
00:20:37.160Yes. So that is a very interesting Instagram, TikTok, sorry, video from an account of a young man called Anthony Gross, who was profiled in a Washington Post style section article entitled Why Catholicism is Drawing Gen Z Men In.
00:20:56.680And I wanted to share that with you, that particular TikTok video, because what surprised me about it was, as he mentions this much smaller congregation, not the St. Joe's that we have referenced multiple times now in our weekly look into Catholicism, but a smaller congregation admitting or welcoming in 25, he said young adults at Easter as converts.
00:21:26.680So it really does show, yet again, that this observation that we have been continually making really has legs, that young men in particular, but not only, young people in general, in Gen Z, are finding refuge from secular bankruptcy, moral and spiritual bankruptcy, in the Catholic Church.
00:21:52.620The Washington Post article is very interesting, and I do suggest you go read it, especially if you can put it in an archive link and get it for free.
00:22:01.200It's very interesting because, well, one small tell is that it's written by not a religious affairs correspondent, which of course would give it some sort of gravitas as far as the Post is concerned, but rather a sort of style section trend guy.
00:22:19.720But what they say, what the people profiled in it say very interesting things.
00:22:24.800One young man who asked not to have his full name given made a point about what they call Theobros.
00:22:31.340So there is this online trend that kind of maybe is sort of a spinoff of the quote-unquote manosphere,
00:22:38.400young men looking to instill their lives with discipline and morality.
00:22:44.020And some of those offshoots are kind of a very warped manifestation.
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00:22:48.920But in terms of the Catholicism, he gave this very interesting sort of juxtaposition between Theobros who are looking to the Catholic Church for rules and power based sort of reasons versus people like himself who are looking for community and service.
00:23:10.360You know, my point, though, is in that observation is that the rules and power base part of this is actually very, very important.
00:23:20.280And I wrote a sub stack about this last Sunday for Easter specifically, that actually the service in the community are very, very valuable and crucial and foundational.
00:23:30.580And you can see that with this article specifically mentioning St. Joseph's in Greenwich Village in New York.
00:23:36.700But the rules and power are necessary as well, and we can't have one without the other.
00:23:42.220And I think the fact that young men are seeking out the harder aspects of Catholicism, i.e. the strict rules on moral behavior, is important.
00:23:51.840A very, very interesting fact point in this article, though, is that St. Joseph's, again, in Greenwich Village, New York City, the heart of sort of left-wing inspired, sexually profligate counterculture that has then started out as counterculture but became the dominant culture of mainstream America in the course of my lifetime and my parents' lifetime,
00:24:17.540went from having about, I think it was 13 to 16 converts per year up until 2020 to 35 last year
00:24:30.200to 88 this year. So more than doubled in one year, people joining the Catholic Church and
00:24:38.420taking the rites of initiation. That is incredible. Again, I cannot emphasize this enough.
00:24:44.820This is not just America. This is New York City. It's not just New York City. It's Manhattan. It's not just Manhattan. It's Greenwich Village. People are flocking to this church. Up to 200 people or sometimes more than 200 people stay for the social event after the Sunday evening mass.
00:26:22.120I mean, I think, first of all, if you don't want to be part of a club that is The Washington Post, that's number one.
00:26:28.180Number two, though, is that I always find that there's always backhanded compliments given in these when an establishment organization sort of deigns to descend among the common muck and the rabble and and try and give them a fair shake by representing them somewhat correctly.
00:26:49.100They do try to tie it to the manosphere in ways that I don't think is fair.
00:26:53.520Jenny, hold on. We'll continue this point in two minutes after this short break.
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00:40:54.060But I tell you what I found most objectionable about this segment on CNN
00:40:59.060is his father, Beck, and Pamela Brown, the CNN journalist,
00:41:05.040attacked Pete Hegseth's, in their words, unqualified use of the Christian language.
00:41:14.480It's just so patronizing, but only to certain Christians,
00:41:20.540that they could say, you are unqualified even to use Christian formulation.
00:41:29.240This belongs to us. We are the clerical class.
00:41:32.720And I don't mean by the religious priestly clerical class, because you've got the CNN woman there, but we are the superior social clerical class, which of course they are, when the state itself has assumed the role of the church.
00:41:50.320They are a priestly class in a medieval mold, and they are saying who can use Christian language or not.
00:42:03.200Yeah, and Pope Leo, in that quote where he says, your hands are full of blood, he took that out of context.
00:42:08.800That section of the Bible, the prophet is condemning that society before him as being corrupt in every way, not just in unjust violence, but in every single way.
00:42:18.420God says, I don't want your sacrifices if you can't even be good people.
00:42:22.300I want you to be good people and virtuous first.
00:42:24.460So it's really not about war, and it's not about violence.
00:42:27.200So it's been taken out of context and misused.
00:42:29.980Ed Rebecca has many lies like that in this picture, including saying that he's not qualified.
00:42:34.680And, of course, Leo is the one that's qualified.