Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 984： Further News On The Revival, Which The Washington Post Attributes In Part To Charlie Kirk’s Death

00:00:00.000 I think Popplio is aware that there's a vacuum in terms of the opposition against the ethno-nationalist

00:00:09.280 narratives.

00:00:10.560 That's not just in America, but also in Europe.

00:00:14.800 The entire discourse is dominated by the question of how far the right will go in conquering

00:00:24.520 European countries, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, France, Germany, and there's not much talk about

00:00:31.480 the alternative. And so here we are, the Pope is poking the bear in the White House,

00:00:36.760 and for now, Trump and the MAGA machine are not fighting back. For such a time as this.

00:00:43.780 Is Pope Leo, formerly known as Cardinal Robert Francis Provost, aware he now occupies a very,

00:00:50.820 very unique position. I think he's perfectly aware that this started from the very beginning.

00:00:56.440 If you remember the first few days after Leah's election in May, we had Steve Bannon saying that

00:01:04.840 Travis was the worst possible choice because he was a socialist, he was a globalist, all of that.

00:01:11.040 So far, Trump himself and J.D. Vance and other top officials, they have avoided, they have ignored the arguments made by the Vance.

00:01:28.020 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:01:33.420 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:01:37.300 I got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have had a belly full of it

00:01:44.460 I know you don't like hearing that I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that

00:01:48.000 but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like that go to share

00:01:52.220 the big line mega media I wish in my soul I wish that any of these people had a conscience

00:01:59.700 ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country

00:02:07.020 This country will be saved.

00:02:10.460 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:02:20.300 Good evening, Harrell here at the helm on Stephen Bannon's War Room.

00:02:23.940 You'll notice it's not the usual Rome background for me this evening.

00:02:28.080 That's because I have returned to my beloved homeland on mission,

00:02:33.220 on assignment

00:02:35.220 and

00:02:36.500 that's where I'm going to be

00:02:39.280 for the next few days

00:02:41.240 we played that clip

00:02:43.460 which has had a bit of

00:02:45.180 engagement on social

00:02:47.580 media, Deutsche Welle is one of

00:02:49.680 the large German

00:02:51.540 broadcaster and you've got

00:02:53.760 the guy, the talking head there

00:02:55.200 saying how Steve

00:02:57.380 which is absolutely true, Steve Bannon led

00:02:59.720 the

00:03:00.420 opposition

00:03:02.100 to Pope Leo in the first few days.

00:03:06.980 And there hasn't really been much said by JD

00:03:11.300 or by the rest of the administration.

00:03:15.580 And I just want to, you know, I would address Deutsche Welle

00:03:19.300 and all of the commentators on this point,

00:03:22.260 because it's a point that is made from time to time.

00:03:25.380 And it's basically this.

00:03:26.900 Firstly, we're just getting started in our opposition

00:03:30.340 to the pontificate of Pope Leo.

00:03:36.700 We're just getting started.

00:03:38.420 And the more outrageous and lefty and globalist he is,

00:03:42.460 you're going to find that the war room is going to be there

00:03:46.980 at the cutting edge, as is Canon 212.

00:03:53.180 And we're absolutely delighted to be born and living

00:03:57.140 at this moment in time in order to be able to make

00:03:59.980 that contribution. So the first thing is we're just getting started. And the second thing,

00:04:04.340 it doesn't really matter if President Trump or the vice president are just taking all

00:04:10.240 the incoming that the Vatican chooses to fire in their direction. It doesn't really matter

00:04:20.460 because the importance is that MAGA is a movement and its power and political influence comes

00:04:29.620 from all of you, the war room posse.

00:04:33.500 Certainly people like Steve Bannon,

00:04:36.000 when they step up to the plate,

00:04:37.860 can give voice to that movement

00:04:39.700 in their own particular way.

00:04:41.860 But if the president is sitting this out

00:04:44.120 and J.D. is sitting out, that's fine.

00:04:47.640 That's absolutely fine.

00:04:49.000 The importance is that believing,

00:04:53.840 especially because we do this one-hour-a-week show,

00:04:58.640 We have a largely evangelical audience, but the editorial policy is specifically to bring news for traditional Catholics.

00:05:06.160 As long as those traditional Catholics feel empowered and feel their agency,

00:05:11.960 which is something that Steve talks about basically every hour of his four hours of programming per day,

00:05:18.260 that's fine. It doesn't matter if the political leadership sits it out.

00:05:22.660 So this is a movement-based opposition.

00:05:24.480 And in the end, and this is something we've been asking for since this show basically started five, six years ago, in the end, it's going to be the laity that will correct course on the church.

00:05:42.120 It won't be the Highling Shepherds because all those Highling Shepherds have been responsible for is driving the church into the ground from its heyday in the 1950s to now basically dioceses having bankruptcies right across the West, closing seminaries and what have you.

00:06:03.260 There are some green shoots showing, and we'll be talking about those a little later with Jenny Holland in the show, who very diligently follows these developments.

00:06:12.800 But I'll make the point later that what we're seeing here needs to be understood in its context.

00:06:17.660 The green shoots have a very particular purpose.

00:06:20.180 OK, but we'll come to those points later. Let's start Frank Walker.

00:06:24.040 Having spoken about Not My Pope VII just now, and he is definitely gearing up and making his opposition ever more clear, ever more visible.

00:06:43.040 he really just

00:06:45.080 I think he's leaning into

00:06:47.460 I'd say he's leaning into his role

00:06:49.640 as

00:06:50.800 heading the international

00:06:53.360 opposition to the Trump administration

00:06:55.560 doing it from

00:06:56.760 a spiritual religious background

00:06:59.260 which of course gives him 0.99

00:07:01.060 the protection of untouchability

00:07:03.460 he came out and gave

00:07:05.340 what even the mainstream

00:07:07.440 media that often

00:07:09.320 carries his and his

00:07:11.200 immediate predecessors, Walter, is calling an unprecedented attack on a head of state.

00:07:18.500 He basically said that Trump's threat to destroy Iranian civilization is unacceptable.

00:07:26.320 Now, I have to say, I wasn't a big fan of that comment myself, to be honest with you. 0.52

00:07:32.300 But I think it's unacceptable that a religious leader is coming in here and using certain political events to enter the narrative and trying to get the story all about him. 0.83

00:07:50.880 I think quite rightly, Frank Walker, tell me here, quite rightly, the administration's response will be, you know, your holiness, perhaps get your own house in order first, right? 0.63

00:08:02.300 Well, that's certainly what you hear from the leader of the ICE program. 0.72

00:08:06.100 He says that all the time, you know, as a Catholic, you need to get your own house in order.

00:08:11.980 I think what happened with Trump in this, he's had a couple of very incendiary things that he has thrown out there lately.

00:08:19.920 And, you know, all of the left and the people in the Catholic press that were supporting Leo and saying he's OK and he's very Catholic against all evidence at the beginning of his pontificate a year ago, they're all very, very never Trump right now.

00:08:37.980 They're all very against Trump.

00:08:39.240 So you're mentioning the way Leo is never Trump all the time.

00:08:43.280 And the mainstream press always likes to say his interventions are rare, but he makes them every single day.

00:08:49.560 His most powerful interventions are always directly against Trump policy.

00:08:54.320 So as soon as Trump came out with this civilizational, this will cause civilizational death to Iran yesterday,

00:09:02.120 everybody, Leo was out there immediately to jump and all the Catholic press was against it.

00:09:08.640 And Leo said, you can't kill a whole civilization.

00:09:11.100 Well, he wasn't saying that when he was taught, he was just being colorful and talking about blowing up power plants and bridges. 0.51

00:09:18.040 And as we see today, every single person in the catechism was going to say, you're going to go to hell if you follow Trump.

00:09:27.160 We need J.D. Vance to become the president right away.

00:09:30.560 We need to have the 25th Amendment. 0.90

00:09:32.260 We need to have him removed.

00:09:35.120 Leo's out there.

00:09:35.680 You can't kill a whole civilization.

00:09:38.300 And, you know, of course, all of the bishops now, the top American bishops were saying, this is unjust.

00:09:45.340 You can't do anything like this.

00:09:46.280 Everybody was on top of that.

00:09:48.040 And the very next morning, we have a peace agreement.

00:09:53.420 We have a so-called sort of a ceasefire, a situation where the peace is there.

00:09:58.320 And so Trump, you know, brilliantly has used all his opposition to make his point.

00:10:06.840 They've made his point because he's proven to them that pacifism is not the solution.

00:10:12.120 Pacifism never brings peace, that the war is not really necessarily unjust at all.

00:10:17.400 You know, there's only been about—I want to see maybe 2,000 people have died in Iraq based on these combined American and Israeli attacks.

00:10:26.400 But there's been almost 50,000 people that died protesting the government that's there.

00:10:30.860 So you have a war that has been fought with limited casualties against military targets.

00:10:36.500 And instead of just doing by surprise bombing the other civilizational targets like power plants, he gave them a warning.

00:10:46.060 He gave them a mercy.

00:10:47.460 He told them what he was thinking of doing, and they responded with peace.

00:10:50.660 He brought the peace.

00:10:52.400 And all of the people that were against him have been made to look like they didn't really want the peace at all.

00:10:59.820 So I'm looking at these developments, Frank Walker, and I see the Pope's intervention.

00:11:06.560 and I'm assuming

00:11:09.620 in his promotion of peace

00:11:12.460 you know, blessed are the peacemakers

00:11:13.980 and what have you

00:11:17.540 I'm assuming

00:11:20.240 when the Pope

00:11:22.540 was making his political

00:11:24.320 intervention, he was doing it in the name of

00:11:26.500 Jesus Christ, right, Prince of Peace

00:11:28.740 and saying the secular

00:11:30.320 unconverted world, but you're not going to have peace

00:11:32.740 unless you convert 0.92

00:11:34.080 to Christ

00:11:35.520 because I'm assuming he said that and the press just missed it out

00:11:39.220 because all I see here are references to international law

00:11:43.560 in the Pope's intervention here.

00:11:48.260 Can you help me with that?

00:11:50.320 Because I thought the Pope is supposed to be sort of Christ's vicar here on Earth,

00:11:56.280 the head of the institution that is, obviously Christ is the head of the church.

00:12:02.640 um um christ is the the church is christ's mystical body but in terms of earthly leadership

00:12:09.920 that's the fact i'm assuming that his he was in invocating um invoking the um the prince of peace

00:12:17.640 or no unfortunately i i have to say that i think the answer to that is no i think that

00:12:24.620 he does not act like a victor of vicar of christ he did because he does he's clearly

00:12:30.400 demonstrated that he doesn't hold the Catholic faith. Over and over again, he's demonstrated

00:12:35.180 that he doesn't hold Catholic teaching. Just in a couple of weeks ago, they had evidence of him a

00:12:39.540 couple of decades ago, bowing down before a Pachamama demon, which is, you know, it may seem

00:12:47.100 like nothing to some people, but it's very important in the Catholic faith. We're in a

00:12:53.240 situation now where we have Popes Francis and Leo, who are not Catholic, but they're there sort of as

00:12:58.300 a stunt in order to use

00:13:00.180 for political purposes, and

00:13:02.080 that's what you have to understand

00:13:04.360 about Pope Leo.

00:13:06.060 He's going to use his position

00:13:08.320 for political purposes, not

00:13:10.220 for Catholic purposes.

00:13:12.220 He's going to pretend to.

00:13:13.640 You just mentioned

00:13:15.360 something there. We have to wheel

00:13:18.220 back because I don't think we've covered it

00:13:20.220 yet on the show. That is very important.

00:13:23.020 Tell me about the

00:13:24.200 photos that emerged a couple of weeks

00:13:26.340 ago of supposedly

00:13:28.260 showing um then father bob before he was made a cardinal before he's made a bishop i'm assuming

00:13:34.880 that those photos were taken quite some time ago but the young father bob prostrating himself

00:13:41.360 with others prostrating themselves to this false idol tell me do you think this photo

00:13:47.820 is even true is it ai is it doctored um has it been verified and what does it what would it mean

00:13:54.600 if the present papal pretender was prostrating himself to idols?

00:14:02.380 What does that mean for the Catholic Church? 0.99

00:14:04.560 Well, it is true.

00:14:06.100 It's been verified by people that were there.

00:14:08.940 And it's part of his, they call it enculturation, but a ceremony.

00:14:13.200 And Pope Francis also participated in a ceremony to the same idol.

00:14:17.380 It's really a demon that uses human sacrifice. 0.83

00:14:20.060 the kind of demon that they worshiped when the conquistadors came to Latin America and converted

00:14:26.400 it. Well, this is sort of an anti-conversion. But things like this, well, that was completely

00:14:32.540 overlooked in the current press. When Francis did it, it was at the Vatican. Things like this

00:14:38.500 demonstrate that the pope is not a Catholic. And when you look at the bishop appointments,

00:14:43.820 which means so much, one after another, after another, after another, there are people with

00:14:48.020 bad histories, people that support anti-Catholic doctrine, things that are not Catholic, and

00:14:53.780 support also the problems with abuse in the church. They create more abuse. So that's what

00:15:00.800 I was referring to. So you have to remember that Leo cannot be expected to be Catholic.

00:15:07.340 Now, he represents globalism. He represents the people who pay him, not Christ's church.

00:15:13.320 And so we have, with this war going on, so much force against globalism, they flooded the zone.

00:15:21.420 So Leo is full-time against it.

00:15:23.300 It's sort of like a propaganda war, and he's a propaganda tool.

00:15:27.120 And all the people on the left are using it, including the people, the controlled resistance on the right.

00:15:32.480 The people that were attacking Trump just yesterday, Taylor Marshall, Michael Matt from the Remnant,

00:15:39.260 Bishop Strickland himself, LifeSite News, Catholics for Catholics, these are MAGA people,

00:15:44.800 Carrie Baller and Candace Owens, and also people on the left like Michael Lofton, Lila Rose,

00:15:51.040 all the traditional Catholics, everybody flooded the zone against Trump yesterday. Today,

00:15:56.380 they're going to start to get quiet. And Leo is just a part of that. They want him to be the

00:16:01.220 leader of that cause. And people from the hard left, like Lawrence O'Donnell, are going to help

00:16:06.760 leo and so that's what you have you have a tool of the left acting as a catholic pope and you

00:16:12.940 can't be taken in by and i believe that catholics like you were mentioning earlier mega catholics

00:16:18.060 that have are discerning and faithful they're not going to be taken in by leo

00:16:22.540 um well not if they're watching the war room they won't be doing um i think we've had his number

00:16:29.780 uh since day one but just to just synthesize this because i think the juxtaposition is perfect

00:16:35.440 The guy currently acting as the honorary chaplain for the New World Order, decades ago, was prostrating himself down to an idol, a demon.

00:16:48.060 And that's the same Pachamama that the young Alexander Chugo went into the church upon the Via della Reconciliazione, 0.73

00:16:58.120 and he took all the idols in his arms,

00:17:01.840 filled himself on his social media going down to the Tiber,

00:17:05.340 and he threw them all in.

00:17:06.540 Folks on the wall will remember that it's the same idol.

00:17:10.160 A demon that accepts human sacrifices is what the present guy,

00:17:16.880 in the name of peace, in the name of the Christless peace

00:17:20.660 that he's offering, is now putting himself forward

00:17:25.360 as the leader of the international opposition.

00:17:28.120 to president trump all right well we'll continue to monitor this frank standby we're back

00:17:32.740 uh with you on on a similar but related um theme in just a few uh moments in in the second half

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00:19:14.100 Before we go to Jenny, let's have a quick play of the clip

00:19:18.900 that Jenny herself had highlighted

00:19:21.160 for her introduction on the show.

00:19:23.120 I think I just found the third best Catholic church

00:19:25.620 in New York City.

00:19:27.000 My name is Anthony, and for the past five weeks,

00:19:29.380 I've been visiting and ranking every Catholic church

00:19:31.760 in the Big Apple.

00:19:32.800 We're on a mission to make church fun again

00:19:34.260 and highlight places with a good young adult community.

00:19:36.800 And what happened this week is gonna shock you.

00:19:38.820 My friend told me to check out our Savior.

00:19:40.580 It was a cozy mass, and the priest was pretty inspirational.

00:19:43.640 But the crazy part happened before communion.

00:19:45.620 There were 25 young adults

00:19:47.480 who are going to get confirmed this Easter.

00:19:49.280 Guys, that's a crazy number for some random church in New York.

00:19:52.640 And it makes me realize one thing.

00:19:54.080 The pendulum is swinging. 0.98

00:19:55.560 Gen Z is turning back to God. 0.80

00:19:57.340 And young adults are putting Catholicism on the rise.

00:20:00.220 So because of that, our savior gets beat here.

00:20:02.520 So let's keep this momentum going and drop a follow to be a part of the movement 0.95

00:20:06.080 that turns Gen Z back to God. 0.67

00:20:11.040 Jenny Holland, Gen Z is coming back to God. 0.74

00:20:13.960 This is something that I think you're one of the world leaders on the phenomenon on this, watching what's going on on social media. 0.81

00:20:21.160 Tell us, tell the Warren Posse, exactly what was in, I think it's the Washington Post article, right, on exactly this phenomenon.

00:20:32.260 Well, if I am the world leader on this, then God does indeed work in mysterious ways, Ben.

00:20:37.160 Yes. So that is a very interesting Instagram, TikTok, sorry, video from an account of a young man called Anthony Gross, who was profiled in a Washington Post style section article entitled Why Catholicism is Drawing Gen Z Men In.

00:20:56.680 And I wanted to share that with you, that particular TikTok video, because what surprised me about it was, as he mentions this much smaller congregation, not the St. Joe's that we have referenced multiple times now in our weekly look into Catholicism, but a smaller congregation admitting or welcoming in 25, he said young adults at Easter as converts.

00:21:26.680 So it really does show, yet again, that this observation that we have been continually making really has legs, that young men in particular, but not only, young people in general, in Gen Z, are finding refuge from secular bankruptcy, moral and spiritual bankruptcy, in the Catholic Church.

00:21:52.620 The Washington Post article is very interesting, and I do suggest you go read it, especially if you can put it in an archive link and get it for free.

00:22:01.200 It's very interesting because, well, one small tell is that it's written by not a religious affairs correspondent, which of course would give it some sort of gravitas as far as the Post is concerned, but rather a sort of style section trend guy.

00:22:19.720 But what they say, what the people profiled in it say very interesting things.

00:22:24.800 One young man who asked not to have his full name given made a point about what they call Theobros.

00:22:31.340 So there is this online trend that kind of maybe is sort of a spinoff of the quote-unquote manosphere,

00:22:38.400 young men looking to instill their lives with discipline and morality.

00:22:44.020 And some of those offshoots are kind of a very warped manifestation. 0.66

00:22:48.920 But in terms of the Catholicism, he gave this very interesting sort of juxtaposition between Theobros who are looking to the Catholic Church for rules and power based sort of reasons versus people like himself who are looking for community and service.

00:23:10.360 You know, my point, though, is in that observation is that the rules and power base part of this is actually very, very important.

00:23:20.280 And I wrote a sub stack about this last Sunday for Easter specifically, that actually the service in the community are very, very valuable and crucial and foundational.

00:23:30.580 And you can see that with this article specifically mentioning St. Joseph's in Greenwich Village in New York.

00:23:36.700 But the rules and power are necessary as well, and we can't have one without the other.

00:23:42.220 And I think the fact that young men are seeking out the harder aspects of Catholicism, i.e. the strict rules on moral behavior, is important.

00:23:51.840 A very, very interesting fact point in this article, though, is that St. Joseph's, again, in Greenwich Village, New York City, the heart of sort of left-wing inspired, sexually profligate counterculture that has then started out as counterculture but became the dominant culture of mainstream America in the course of my lifetime and my parents' lifetime,

00:24:17.540 went from having about, I think it was 13 to 16 converts per year up until 2020 to 35 last year

00:24:30.200 to 88 this year. So more than doubled in one year, people joining the Catholic Church and

00:24:38.420 taking the rites of initiation. That is incredible. Again, I cannot emphasize this enough.

00:24:44.820 This is not just America. This is New York City. It's not just New York City. It's Manhattan. It's not just Manhattan. It's Greenwich Village. People are flocking to this church. Up to 200 people or sometimes more than 200 people stay for the social event after the Sunday evening mass.

00:25:05.000 It's really something to behold.

00:25:07.940 And I know that young people are leaving in greater numbers,

00:25:11.080 but it's very important to note that the people who are joining

00:25:14.780 are going to be more traditional and more foundational

00:25:17.820 than the ones who are leaving.

00:25:19.360 So it might be a quality over quantity

00:25:21.980 or a quantity over quality phenomenon that's happening right now.

00:25:27.220 That's exactly what it is.

00:25:28.160 It's the yeast that makes the bread rice.

00:25:30.500 I did notice in this story, Jenny, that a couple of people

00:25:34.060 in this article are mentioned as crediting the assassination of Charlie Kirk

00:25:40.220 for their rediscovery of their Christian faith.

00:25:44.580 And that would definitely corroborate the thesis that we had on the war room right at that time, 0.94

00:25:52.660 that there will be fruit, the Holy Spirit will bring about fruit out of that heinous evil act,

00:25:59.640 and that would contribute to the revival.

00:26:02.600 and you come on every Wednesday and you give us these developments.

00:26:07.800 And this article in The Washington Post, it's not a negative article.

00:26:12.680 That's what really surprises me.

00:26:14.180 It's a very positive article in its recognizing this trend, right?

00:26:21.080 Yeah, I would say so.

00:26:22.120 I mean, I think, first of all, if you don't want to be part of a club that is The Washington Post, that's number one.

00:26:28.180 Number two, though, is that I always find that there's always backhanded compliments given in these when an establishment organization sort of deigns to descend among the common muck and the rabble and and try and give them a fair shake by representing them somewhat correctly.

00:26:49.100 They do try to tie it to the manosphere in ways that I don't think is fair.

00:26:53.520 Jenny, hold on. We'll continue this point in two minutes after this short break.

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00:31:34.900 Let's play some sound from Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth,

00:31:38.440 who has discussed religion and war in recent briefings and interviews

00:31:41.520 to give us some context around these comments from the Pope.

00:31:45.600 Let's watch.

00:31:47.960 Snap the rod of the oppressor.

00:31:49.600 Frustrate the wicked plans and break the teeth of the ungodly.

00:31:53.760 By the blast of your anger, let the evil perish.

00:31:56.400 Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.

00:32:01.660 May the Lord grant unyielding strength and refuge to our warriors.

00:32:06.460 The providence of our almighty God is there protecting those troops.

00:32:09.940 And we're committed to this mission.

00:32:13.080 So talk about the significance of that language,

00:32:15.920 especially when discussed in the context of this conflict with Iran.

00:32:19.600 well it's really significant because pete hexath is praying for overwhelming violence

00:32:27.860 against those who deserve no mercy at a christian worship service i mean the pope comes back with

00:32:34.600 what about gethsemane i mean jesus rebukes the disciple who draws the sword i mean jesus of the

00:32:42.000 gospel refused the sword even to save his own life so i think one of the positions here is actually

00:32:47.860 rooted in the new testament and the other one is christian nationalism which in my opinion is a

00:32:53.160 contradiction in terms so i think it's really very interesting that the two are pitted against each

00:32:59.260 other and the pope is kind of taking it on you know heads on welcome back we're gonna finish

00:33:07.160 the point with jenny in just a moment talking about gen z frank walker um jenny's talking about

00:33:14.760 all these young guys these 20 year old guys the gym bros the the the catholic bros right coming

00:33:20.640 to church for the same time for the first time i think that's as we made the point before on the

00:33:27.860 show this is really um in spite of the bishop's best efforts and not because of anything they've

00:33:35.340 been doing to encourage that this revival is taking place what are they going to think these

00:33:40.080 20-year-old guys right when they're fired up with the the faith um and they see priests like this

00:33:48.200 where did where did CNN get this guy from I gather um he was what he's Chris Cuomo's favorite priest

00:33:54.920 but I reckon that the the influencers the the bros are going to be bringing people into the church

00:34:01.980 and just as fast as they're coming in priests like this are going to frighten them all off again

00:34:07.180 yeah they will and and i think that the um i think that the apparatus of leo church is at work

00:34:16.440 trying to find ways to take these young men and twist their idea of what catholicism is they're

00:34:23.420 they're gonna kind of swoop in there and give them the wrong ideas a lot but they're gonna

00:34:28.300 have to use their own like like they have the power of the internet to find their way through

00:34:33.960 that. This priest here knows exactly what the game is. And, you know, both of those guys on that

00:34:41.140 clip, they have a permanent frown on their face. His manner is so off-putting. I think he's from

00:34:45.800 a parish in fancy Scarsdale, New York or something. But that idea of Christian nationalism is just 0.99

00:34:52.180 put out there to sort of censor the more power-related aspects of Christianity, like the

00:34:59.880 real teaching. He's appealing to God to strike the evildoers, to strike people that are the bad

00:35:08.860 guys, really, and to use his power against them and to protect their own troops. There's nothing 0.93

00:35:13.280 wrong with any of that, but he makes it look like what they're saying is not Christian because he's

00:35:18.140 advocating for violence. And he says that Christ himself told Peter to put away the sword, but

00:35:24.980 that's because Peter was trying to stop him from actually sacrifice. You know, that's Jesus. Jesus

00:35:30.980 gave his life voluntarily as a sacrifice for all of us. But that doesn't mean that we all need to

00:35:36.960 be victims of unjust violence, which is what Pope Leo and his pacifism and Father Beck who's

00:35:43.500 defending him are trying to get everybody to do. Say that it's illegal to defend yourself with the

00:35:48.240 sword. They're defending people in Iran, a lot of people. Those soldiers, they're killing people,

00:35:56.540 but they're also risking their lives. And for other people that are weaker, for people all

00:36:01.560 around the world geopolitically to give them power, like the Trump administration writes about

00:36:07.060 people being sovereign in their security document, that being people are independent and sovereign

00:36:13.480 countries, and they're trying to help the Middle East become that way. So Pope Leo is all against

00:36:18.200 that. Father Beck says something here that's very key to understand Pope Leo. He says, I think

00:36:22.960 Christians have to ask, in particular Catholics, who do you align yourself with? Where do you stand?

00:36:28.060 Do you accept the Pope saying that Jesus is nonviolent, that this war is immoral, or do you

00:36:33.740 look at people who really are having very difficult, I think, issues trying to allow

00:36:37.460 christian scriptures to justify their positions they're not doing that they're simply praying

00:36:44.060 by using the bible like many good protestants do i wouldn't i wouldn't agree with him at all about

00:36:48.780 that i don't agree with him at all um either and you you said you cited um you you cited um um

00:36:58.060 our lord's words to peter he who lives by the sword dies by the sword you know that's a that's

00:37:05.700 a very um powerful expression and it has been sort of um considered theologians have been looking at

00:37:16.580 that sort of basically 2 000 years um and of course the catholic church has just war theory

00:37:23.400 under its belt which is a which is a key part of sort of catholic teaching i i say this because he

00:37:30.400 who lives by the sword dies by the sword isn't necessarily the pacifist mantra that you could

00:37:38.560 without studying it easily assume it to be it's simply saying that that if you if you if you um

00:37:44.700 if you resort to violence that violence that circle of violence is going to continue and it's

00:37:50.360 going to consume you as well um and that's that's the that's the proper context oh by the way it's

00:37:57.480 a very pertinent warning i i think and and all people all catholics all people of good will

00:38:03.460 need to have that thought percolating at the back of their minds all the time because you know we

00:38:09.820 where there is a circle of violence we need to get out of it but as i say just war theory and

00:38:15.400 suggests that at times fighting is a legitimate bearing arms is a is a legitimate response

00:38:23.580 And that's what you don't get from today's Vatican, Frank.

00:38:27.260 I basically say this.

00:38:28.140 The problem with today's Vatican is that it doesn't measure everything.

00:38:33.780 It's just like a superficial, particularly targeted extract of a quote,

00:38:39.620 always in a globalist, pseudo-pacifist interpretation.

00:38:44.840 He says that popes never made these kinds of interventions with Americans before,

00:38:49.120 but they always do this.

00:38:50.620 They intervene on wars.

00:38:51.840 They say something.

00:38:52.620 I think that Pete Hedges' quotes of the Bible are carefully selected. 0.77

00:38:56.740 I think he's teaching the world about what a just war is.

00:39:00.420 He's trying to help us see the big picture, the full scale of picture, not this abridged thing like you said.

00:39:05.680 I mean, the astronauts are praying to Jesus.

00:39:10.460 Vance is over in Hungary talking about Jesus and Easter.

00:39:14.940 And Trump's putting up a picture of Jesus in the White House and giving these great Easter statements. 0.54

00:39:19.180 it's all very appropriate to bring Christianity back into the place where it belonged. Trump is 0.74

00:39:25.480 even every day, I mean, he's saying that he's noting what you and Jen were just talking about,

00:39:29.920 the incredible growth of religion. They're supporting it, they're encouraging it,

00:39:33.920 and they're praising it as it happens. This is the kind of people that America really are.

00:39:38.200 They're giving us back what our birthright is, which is our Christian ability to have Christian

00:39:43.180 heritage and Christian power and brave men who fight for the country and fight for everybody

00:39:48.660 else too with their it's heroic and what pope and what leo and this father ed rebecca are promoting

00:39:54.520 is cowardice they're calling it justice they're saying it's unjust war but really what they want

00:40:00.120 is failure they're advocating on the side of the enemies of this project just like they did you

00:40:06.060 know they do in ukraine too they're what they want is cowardice and then and they're teaching it and

00:40:12.060 calling it you know war uh just war theory they're dressed they are dressing up cowardice 0.66

00:40:19.340 and with the veneer of religiosity um let me just throw this because i do want to continue the point

00:40:25.540 with jenny that we're talking about before let me just conclude then with this well first of all

00:40:31.360 here's what pope leo said he said that god does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war

00:40:37.760 but rejects them, saying, even though you make many prayers,

00:40:41.760 I will not listen.

00:40:43.080 Your hands are full of blood.

00:40:45.640 I never hear him ever saying this, by the way,

00:40:48.280 to representatives of Islam when he gets together with them, right? 0.99

00:40:53.100 Point one.

00:40:54.060 But I tell you what I found most objectionable about this segment on CNN

00:40:59.060 is his father, Beck, and Pamela Brown, the CNN journalist,

00:41:05.040 attacked Pete Hegseth's, in their words, unqualified use of the Christian language.

00:41:14.480 It's just so patronizing, but only to certain Christians,

00:41:20.540 that they could say, you are unqualified even to use Christian formulation.

00:41:29.240 This belongs to us. We are the clerical class.

00:41:32.720 And I don't mean by the religious priestly clerical class, because you've got the CNN woman there, but we are the superior social clerical class, which of course they are, when the state itself has assumed the role of the church.

00:41:50.320 They are a priestly class in a medieval mold, and they are saying who can use Christian language or not.

00:42:00.320 And obviously, Pete Hegseth can't.

00:42:03.200 Yeah, and Pope Leo, in that quote where he says, your hands are full of blood, he took that out of context.

00:42:08.800 That section of the Bible, the prophet is condemning that society before him as being corrupt in every way, not just in unjust violence, but in every single way.

00:42:18.420 God says, I don't want your sacrifices if you can't even be good people.

00:42:22.300 I want you to be good people and virtuous first.

00:42:24.460 So it's really not about war, and it's not about violence.

00:42:27.200 So it's been taken out of context and misused.

00:42:29.980 Ed Rebecca has many lies like that in this picture, including saying that he's not qualified.

00:42:34.680 And, of course, Leo is the one that's qualified.

00:42:39.160 Leo is so qualified.

00:42:41.160 He's allowed to talk not just about religion and use Christian language.

00:42:44.980 He's also qualified to talk about politics as well.

00:42:48.280 and that should never be questioned.

00:42:50.440 In fact, we'll be back with you in 10 minutes

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00:43:50.840 you were saying um before the break just finish that and then we'll talk about this article by

00:43:56.340 lord frost in the daily telegraph you were saying something that you um that you don't subscribe

00:44:01.500 to all elements of the manos the manosphere agenda on social media no not at all uh it's not meant

00:44:10.440 for me, though, anyway. I'm a middle-aged woman, so it's not really... I don't think you are the

00:44:17.600 intended audience. I'm definitely not the intended audience. I'm old enough to be their mother.

00:44:22.740 But, no, actually, to tie the Gen Z point to what you and Frank were just talking about,

00:44:31.640 like, this is the reality. There is a parallel to this debate about Iran

00:44:37.740 happening in the domestic and social sphere. And I'll tell you exactly what that is.

00:44:43.920 So someone like that priest who was interviewed on CNN, I mean, check out the optics. He's

00:44:50.600 literally a gray-haired old man talking to one of the most cosseted and protected and materially 0.99

00:44:58.720 spoiled women ever to exist in the history of mankind. And they're sitting there giving forth 0.96

00:45:04.380 these platitudes about what constitutes justice and what constitutes the proper application of

00:45:10.800 force, as if either of them had ever been anywhere close to the wisdom that is required to make that

00:45:19.000 determination. But do you know who is much closer, in fact? Young men. Young men are the ones who are

00:45:26.280 going to face the reality of a potential ground war. But at home, young men are the ones who are

00:45:34.080 facing what some people are calling an impending economic apocalypse in terms of jobs. They are

00:45:41.600 facing certainly huge amounts of economic crisis in terms of cost of living. They are facing a

00:45:48.040 sort of social extreme ostracization in woke, which is a demonic thought system that has to a

00:45:57.520 very large degree supplanted Judeo-Christian values in every single institution, unless Trump

00:46:05.200 has managed to root it out, which he hasn't fully, despite his best efforts. So young men are in a 0.86

00:46:11.340 much better place to determine what is the best moral direction that these questions should move

00:46:18.760 towards. And in the second article that we were going to talk about, which was in the UK Telegraph,

00:46:23.920 not by a Gen Z person, quite the opposite, by an old sort of august establishment figure

00:46:29.600 who's asking his readership to take seriously the issue of Christianity and whether or not

00:46:36.740 it's true. And he's remarking sort of anecdotally that he's seeing a rise in an interest in this

00:46:42.280 among young people. And one of the things he mentions is, yes, progressive wokeness is obviously

00:46:47.700 a huge issue, but also is a very sort of insurgent and confident Islam. And who amongst the British

00:46:54.240 population are the people who are most affected by this? Young people, young white British people.

00:47:01.960 Do I have to remind people about the rape gang ongoing horrors that have not been fully addressed

00:47:09.460 and they have apparently not even been fully rooted out, as in many people are saying that

00:47:14.620 they're still ongoing. So if you're faced with the young, it's young people who are at the

00:47:19.100 coalface of the spiritual war that is happening. And it's absolutely no wonder that they are not 0.67

00:47:26.000 going to listen to the establishment church figures, especially not in the Church of England

00:47:31.440 for the love of God. I mean, what an absolute holy show that is. All of these platitudes and

00:47:37.860 we welcome everyone, everyone's equal and everyone has value. Well, then what's the point of even

00:47:42.880 being a church. Obviously, humans are all equal in the eye of God. But again, going back to my

00:47:49.060 point with this rules-based versus community-based perception of religion, you need both. But what

00:47:58.800 many people need now is the sort of harder application of rules to protect our own home

00:48:07.420 and to protect our own hearth. 1.00

00:48:09.940 And that is what the Gen Z Christian revival 0.99

00:48:14.020 seems to be seeking out.

00:48:17.140 You know, it seems to me, because you mentioned this,

00:48:20.580 anecdotally, empirically, in my own life,

00:48:23.480 when I'm talking to people about Christianity,

00:48:26.420 I often get the response that people say,

00:48:30.000 oh, I don't like organized.

00:48:31.200 I don't know where the expression comes from,

00:48:32.880 But people say it as if they thought it up themselves, even though they always use the same words.

00:48:40.440 I don't sort of, I believe in God, they'll say, but I don't believe in organized religion.

00:48:48.180 And then some people hit the rules thing that you're mentioning.

00:48:52.480 And I get the idea, especially when I hear something about their private lives,

00:48:56.160 it's not the rules that they're particularly, the idea about their being disciplined or the rules.

00:49:02.880 It's the fact that their private lives are on the wrong side of the rules.

00:49:07.120 That's really the antagonism.

00:49:09.340 But they dress it up, again, with the veneer of intellectualism.

00:49:15.360 And it's just not sustainable.

00:49:16.740 And I think it's like, you know, because you and I, Jenny,

00:49:21.800 we're of an age, and Frank as well,

00:49:24.280 that there was some remnants of institutional Christianity

00:49:28.580 when we were at school, when we were growing up.

00:49:32.120 the present generation that gen z has literally had nothing it's grown up in a wilderness and 0.72

00:49:38.500 they know how barren that wilderness is right that's why they're coming back and and they've 0.99

00:49:43.380 been frightened off by by the by our generation as parents talking about the rules and their

00:49:49.000 discipline and the church wants to tell you what to do and all the rest of it um and they're looking

00:49:53.360 for themselves and they think actually it's it's a lot the reality is a lot deeper than than what

00:49:58.760 we've been sold. And they've been attracted to this reality, right? Absolutely. And Gen Z are

00:50:06.200 the first people to grow up fully digital. I mean, I know a lot of millennials have as well,

00:50:10.560 but Gen Z are the first generation to not remember a time before the internet. And so they're also

00:50:16.920 the generation that has been exposed from early, very, very, very early on in their years to the

00:50:24.360 horrors of online pornography, um, to the shallow competition, um, and performative nonsense of

00:50:33.060 social media. Um, and, and also, and then, I mean, the positive side, as the Daily Telegraph

00:50:38.660 article mentions to the kind of Catholic and maybe evangelical as well. Um, I suppose you

00:50:46.020 could call them influencers, uh, people who, who are just speaking even basic truth about religion

00:50:51.700 that has huge resonance to young people who have grown up without it.

00:50:56.480 I mean, I know from personal experience, just anecdotally,

00:51:00.520 people who have grown up with very permissive parents

00:51:03.700 tend to not be permissive parents themselves

00:51:06.260 because all humans need rules, young people especially.

00:51:10.820 And the pendulum always swings back.

00:51:13.980 The article in the Daily Telegraph, by the way, by Lord Frost,

00:51:16.860 is Britain is quietly awakening to full-fat supernatural Christianity. 0.88

00:51:21.700 We'll try and get the link out very, very quickly, guys. 0.85

00:51:24.020 Jenny, what's your social media?

00:51:26.140 20 seconds.

00:51:26.520 My YouTube is at SavingCultureFromItself,

00:51:30.480 and my sub stack is at JennyEHolland.substack.com.

00:51:36.540 And I very strongly recommend both of those.

00:51:38.940 Frank Walker, where do people go for Stumbling Block and Canon 212?

00:51:45.340 Canon212.com, and the daily update is on Rumble and Warrior TV

00:51:50.500 and I'll get something back to.

00:51:54.700 Frank Walker, Jenny Holland, many thanks.

00:51:57.120 I'm signing off here from London Wednesday.

00:51:59.520 I'll be back in Rome.

00:52:00.980 Steve will be back in the chair.

00:52:02.840 War Room, 10 a.m. tomorrow.

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