Bannon's War Room - April 10, 2026


WarRoom Battleground EP 986： Angela Merkel Let In 1m Syrians And Transformed Europe — Spain Set To Double That with 2m INVADERS


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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.700 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.960 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.220 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.120 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.560 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.320 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.240 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.500 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.920 Mega Media.
00:00:28.820 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.700 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.460 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.780 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:48.060 Good evening, Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.
00:00:58.500 Regular War Room viewers will realise straight away that it's not the usual Rome backdrop behind me.
00:01:06.600 That's London, the capital of my beloved homeland.
00:01:10.580 And I'm back in the UK on assignment, just about finishing my work and returning to Italy in a couple of days' time.
00:01:20.800 One of the things that the International Bureau has been watching quite closely over the last few days is the news coming out of Spain.
00:01:30.760 And as we've discovered on the show, as we've discussed on the show for quite a couple of occasions, is the inverted commas regularization of around 500,000 illegal third world invaders into Spain by the socialist government headed up by Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez.
00:01:51.600 And lo and behold, even that colossally high figure seems to have been an underestimation.
00:02:02.280 Latest reports are putting the actual figure at something like 1.6, 1.6 and a half, 1.7 million people are going to be profiting from this amnesty. 0.70
00:02:17.480 And as we said on the show repeatedly, the danger is that once these invaders come in and get their residency permit, then they're going to be free to travel right across the European Union. 0.65
00:02:31.940 And worse than that, once they're in and they get their documents, they're then going to be able to bring in their family as well. 0.91
00:02:38.960 And of course, once they're regularized, it's a chain reaction.
00:02:42.520 On the show today, Gonzalo Martín, who's been on the show quite a few times with us before to navigate this, the vice president of the National Democracy Party in Spain, Democracia Nacional.
00:02:58.320 Gonzalo, thank you very much for coming on the show, spending the next hour or so to go through this.
00:03:04.060 Tell me, if you wouldn't mind, what's in the background of this latest revision of the statistics?
00:03:12.960 Somehow, even that 500,000 figure is now considered to be too low.
00:03:20.540 What's the story? I've seen something in El Pais, the national newspaper in Spain, about this.
00:03:25.980 What's the resonance taking place in Spain right now?
00:03:29.780 Because this number, before I hand over to you, this number will fundamentally change the social fabric of Spain and the rest of the European Union, 0.76
00:03:40.380 lest we forget that the entrance of one million Syrians into Germany fundamentally changed politics right across the European Union under Angela Merkel. 0.92
00:03:51.260 This is an even larger number.
00:03:53.620 What's the reaction in Spain to these latest developments on the revised estimates?
00:03:59.780 well unfortunately spanish citizens are still i don't know thinking about other not important
00:04:07.960 stuff they are just divided between the two main parties they are playing this democratic game and
00:04:14.640 they don't understand that we are really um in a point that there is no return uh because spain
00:04:22.460 as i told already in your program a few times probably from 49 million people living officially
00:04:28.060 in Spain, only 35 million are native Spanish. The rest of people, they are all immigrants
00:04:34.060 that they were born here, or they got the Spanish citizenship, or they just kept their
00:04:39.080 own citizenship. And in the last revision that they are trying to regularize officially
00:04:47.060 half million immigrants, in fact, the number is much bigger. It can be even up to 2 million.
00:04:52.780 because these people, they are coming, as I said already a few times,
00:04:58.360 especially from South America, easily to Spain through the airport.
00:05:02.120 They don't need to come by boat.
00:05:03.680 They just need to have a flight ticket.
00:05:05.400 They come straight to Madrid as a tourist officially,
00:05:09.020 and they never come back.
00:05:10.100 Why?
00:05:10.820 Because the Spanish constitution allowed this.
00:05:13.740 We have this kind of commonwealth with all the countries
00:05:17.860 that were once part of the Spanish empire and all the citizens.
00:05:22.780 They can just come to Spain from Philippines, from Brazil, from all South America.
00:05:27.080 They can just come to Spain as a tourist, and they stay here.
00:05:30.960 And, of course, we have already around 12 million of South Americans living in Spain.
00:05:36.560 So they have already many relatives living here.
00:05:39.480 So they just come here, and it's very easy.
00:05:41.040 There are many NGOs, leftist NGOs, paid with our taxes, that they allow all the process.
00:05:47.720 And they even publicly pay advertising to say, if you want to regularize the situation, please contact us.
00:05:55.600 So it's not only this government, the NGOs, and even the Catholic Church is helping to do this.
00:06:03.480 And if you are a member of a Catholic chat, that's pretty common in Spain, in their neighborhood,
00:06:11.280 that people who gather to the church, they are members of a WhatsApp chat, for example.
00:06:17.720 There are all the time, every day, I can say even hundreds of messages of people that they have arrived to Spain and they need to find a plane to stay.
00:06:27.960 They are coming with children. Many of them, they are disabled. They don't have a job. They don't have papers.
00:06:32.480 And this is a truly invasion. It's not only this last year.
00:06:37.760 As I explained already in your program, we are suffering this since 1995, when in Spain we have only half a million immigrants.
00:06:45.140 And now we have officially around seven, eight, but many of them, they were Spanish citizenship.
00:06:51.740 So they disappeared from the statistics and many others, they were born here.
00:06:55.120 So as I said, from 49 million, officially, we are probably just 35 million native Hispanics. 1.00
00:07:00.860 And all these immigrants, they commit 500 percent more of rapes regarding the Spanish natives and 414 more murders. 1.00
00:07:13.560 So these statistics, of course, they are a void to talk about this in the public 1.00
00:07:18.120 because it's too dangerous for them 1.00
00:07:20.200 because they want to regalise all these immigrants in order to have voters. 1.00
00:07:26.240 Well, we're going to head down to the impact on the crime statistics 0.93
00:07:30.860 a little later on the show, I think in the second half of the show.
00:07:34.220 But you said something quite interesting there and important
00:07:37.280 that the figures here that I have in front of me
00:07:41.940 having the shocking upwards revision from 500,000 to about 1.7 million.
00:07:47.780 Now you're suggesting that that 1.7 million figure in itself is too low
00:07:53.060 and the true accurate figure is closer to 2 million.
00:07:58.460 And you also point out that Spain really is this time
00:08:02.460 definitively approaching the point of no return.
00:08:06.280 Tell me a bit more, if you wouldn't mind,
00:08:08.520 about the role of the Catholic Church in all of this.
00:08:11.940 This isn't that we point out constantly on the war room,
00:08:15.880 that the institutional Catholic Church,
00:08:18.260 and I'm not talking about ordinary mass goers on Sunday
00:08:22.140 who are very devout and they attend mass,
00:08:25.900 they pray the rosary and one view.
00:08:28.600 I'm talking about the institution of the church,
00:08:30.960 the priests, the bishops, the cardinals, and the pope.
00:08:35.440 It cannot be stressed enough that in this existential threat
00:08:40.800 That is the invasion. The Catholic Church isn't even being, it's not even trying to hide its role anymore in encouraging and facilitating the invasion. 0.55
00:08:52.360 You mentioned this, Gonzalo. Tell us a bit more. Remind the war room audience exactly the role that the Catholic Church is playing in Spain with the imminent arrival of 200 million invaders who are about to be regularized with official papers and residency. 0.88
00:09:13.000 so the catholic church it receives a hundred and thousands of millions of euros from the
00:09:20.340 spanish taxers when you declare your taxes you can choose if you want to give part of your taxes
00:09:26.520 to the ngos or the catholic church it's still most part of spaniards because we still be in a
00:09:32.680 catholic country in general um most part of people they don't donate part of the taxes to
00:09:37.600 the catholic church and with this money it's not ongoing just to to renovate all churches that we
00:09:43.440 have thousand years old no no this money is going for immigrants but not even christian immigrants
00:09:49.320 you can just go to any any church in any neighborhood in any small village in spain
00:09:55.000 that they are giving with our taxes a hundred and hundreds of kilos of food every day to people that
00:10:02.000 are supposed to to be needed and most part of them you can see they're muslims you can see muslim 0.70
00:10:07.040 women cover it with any half and they go to the catholic church to get the food for free and that's
00:10:12.860 all and when they don't like something or they figure out that there is something not halal or 0.98
00:10:18.240 something with their pork they just throw it to the to the garbage uh close to the to the church
00:10:23.400 and there are many videos about this on youtube you can take a look about that and also um there
00:10:29.600 are many old people that they have a good heart and before they die they donate their the apartment
00:10:34.620 a house, everything to the church. 0.77
00:10:36.960 And all these houses, instead of being preserved for young Spaniards that need it, 0.58
00:10:44.660 they give it to these NGOs or even to Caritas, the main Catholic NGO, to host immigrants. 1.00
00:10:53.320 Muslims, they don't care.
00:10:54.680 They bring all families and they give them everything.
00:10:57.120 So the Catholic Church, unfortunately, I'm a Catholic myself,
00:11:00.580 but is one of the main enemies as an institution of the spanish people and of the european people 0.92
00:11:06.460 they are really facilitating the invasion and they are criticizing anybody who is saying something
00:11:13.000 against immigration they criticize you they say that you are not a true Christian they start to
00:11:18.320 criticize you they say that we have to have open borders what is not it has nothing to do with the
00:11:23.080 traditional uh speech of the of the catholic church um something else that we cover constantly
00:11:30.760 on the show is the the revival that is taking place especially amongst young generation z guys
00:11:38.580 young 20 year old so the guys basically who are rediscovering the the catholic faith for the first
00:11:46.240 I'm not just Catholic, but also it's happening in evangelicalism in the United States as well.
00:11:55.380 And something, Gonzalo, that we're talking about when we do our Wednesday show is the fact that these guys are coming to church for the first time in spite of the institutional church and the bishops and the priests rather than because of anything that they're doing.
00:12:12.460 And in all probability, as we see this trend develop, they're going to be scandalized out of the church very quickly.
00:12:21.320 Tell me, if you wouldn't mind, before we move on to the themes in the show, how is that dynamic taking place in Spain?
00:12:29.700 I'm amazed to hear you telling me that people, you know, in their wills are leaving their properties to the church, basically for the good of the Christian communities and Spaniards who have need. 0.75
00:12:46.180 And they're being used instead to facilitate this invasion that's taking place. 0.56
00:12:51.680 Is there any local level of opposition outside of Democracia Nacional?
00:12:56.720 Is there any kind of organized opposition to what the institutional Catholic Church is doing directly in the face of faithful parishioners?
00:13:08.720 Well, there is a rise of the traditional Catholic Church.
00:13:12.720 Inside of the Catholic Church, all these Luther priests, the traditionalists, that they hold the mass in Latin.
00:13:21.360 It's not the situation like in France that is where you can find more and more traditional churches.
00:13:27.540 But in Spain, it's rising and people are approaching to the faith, people that they were atheists or they were soft Catholic.
00:13:35.200 They cannot find any more these answers to their spiritual questions.
00:13:41.140 And they are thirsty for knowing more about God. 0.86
00:13:45.840 And when they go to the modern Catholic church, what they just find is another kind of LGTB plus NGO. 0.94
00:13:55.260 So when people, they approach the church and they see all this speech and they see what is happening in the neighborhoods, that they are invaded. 0.98
00:14:02.780 And then the church is not helping.
00:14:04.200 It's saying that we have to accept everybody, even Muslims, and nobody is illegal and blah, blah, blah. 0.96
00:14:10.100 Some of these people, I cannot say the majority, 0.97
00:14:12.640 but many of them, they are approaching this traditional church
00:14:15.460 with the masses in Latin, for example.
00:14:18.280 So there's a kind of contra-revolutionary movement.
00:14:22.620 As I say, it's not a situation like in France
00:14:24.860 where you can find thousands and thousands of families
00:14:27.680 with 10, 15 children going to church.
00:14:30.620 In Spain, we didn't arrive to that level,
00:14:32.360 but people that they are approaching the faith,
00:14:35.040 they are doing it more in a traditional way.
00:14:37.740 Also, people that they are members of the modern Catholic Church, 0.94
00:14:44.340 they are assuming a situation like many of us in our jobs, we have to suffer. 0.95
00:14:49.400 So we cannot openly talk about immigration, for example.
00:14:52.680 So they go to church, they go to mass, they help when there are depositions in the Holy Week, for example,
00:14:58.440 but they keep what they think inside of them.
00:15:00.660 Of course, when they talk with each other, they all agree that we have to preserve Christianity in Spain.
00:15:05.920 but with the priest sometimes you cannot openly talk or there are some brothers that they correct
00:15:12.860 you publicly and they don't allow you to talk about this they say oh this is not christian
00:15:16.880 this is not the message of jesus and it's not true of course we know it's not true so um we
00:15:22.480 have to be careful catholics inside of the catholic church in order not to have problems
00:15:27.240 but more and more people are openly talking about this and they don't care anymore about
00:15:31.740 would the rest of people think? That's the best development that we can hope for in the present
00:15:38.260 age, because whilst the evangelical community is perhaps the most visibly strongest in the United 0.88
00:15:45.900 States, the defence of Christendom in continental Europe falls pretty much squarely on the shoulders
00:15:52.280 of traditional Catholics who, you know, as time goes on, the more they're going to, as you're
00:15:58.840 saying, Gonzalo, they're going to have the courage to stand up publicly and say, I'm Catholic.
00:16:04.540 I am motivated by my Catholic faith. And I'm going to publicly criticize the institution of
00:16:10.920 the Catholic Church for promoting this invasion. And I will criticize my own church, not because 0.97
00:16:17.660 I'm anti-Catholic, but because I am Catholic. And that is a trend that we are definitely starting 1.00
00:16:24.060 to see um and largely i would suggest it's it's thanks to to social media gonzalo stay with us
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00:18:17.100 Back now to Gonzalo Martin.
00:18:20.280 Gonzalo, I was noticing that a very key and influential pro-invasion lobbyist group in Brussels,
00:18:32.360 at the heart of the European Union
00:18:37.080 was saying quite explicitly and openly
00:18:40.980 that we hope more governments will follow Spain's example.
00:18:46.100 This is with regards to the amnesty.
00:18:48.500 So you have other countries
00:18:50.100 that might easily want to replicate this,
00:18:53.840 or Spain's doing Greece, France, Italy, for example.
00:18:58.220 What is the realisation in Spain
00:19:01.140 that this manoeuvre on behalf of Pedro Sanchez
00:19:08.660 will have massive ramifications throughout the European Union,
00:19:13.080 not just in the sense that this 1.7 to 2 million people
00:19:16.460 will then be able to freely disperse across the European Union,
00:19:20.600 but the fact that the European Union will be able to cite this manoeuvre
00:19:25.820 being pulled by Spain's socialist government
00:19:29.000 and do the same sort of amnesty in their own European countries.
00:19:33.120 Is there any real recognition of this thin end of the wedge,
00:19:39.480 as we say in colloquial English, in Spain,
00:19:42.260 that this is a manoeuvre that will have massive responsibilities
00:19:46.420 for the other EU nations, were they to replicate this?
00:19:52.640 Yes, this is very dangerous.
00:19:54.500 I mean, Pedro Sánchez is trying to become the leader of the left,
00:19:58.600 of European left, not only in international affairs that is publicly being like the public
00:20:05.100 number one enemy of Trump, for example, but also about all these policies that he's trying to be
00:20:12.380 because in Spain, as you know, he's the president of the government in Spain, but he didn't win the
00:20:17.880 elections. He had to have a coalition, the votes from the rest of parties, radical left,
00:20:23.240 separatist. So he didn't win the elections. He's not so popular as people think. The support of
00:20:29.820 him, the way he's now the president of Spain, is because he gathered the votes of other parties,
00:20:38.920 more radical even than the Socialist Party, more anti-Spanish even than the Socialist Party.
00:20:43.400 So yes, of course, everybody in Europe that is afraid of the alt-right, is afraid of the
00:20:50.180 radical nationalist, they see in Pedro Sánchez the leader that Europe needs. And he's encouraging
00:20:57.700 him to make more and more radical things. And of course, it's not affecting all in Spain. It will
00:21:02.940 affect everybody in Europe, and not only European Union. These people that are entering in Europe, 0.99
00:21:08.360 you know that they will try to arrive to the UK. So this situation, this open border policy,
00:21:14.380 and everything he's doing very fast before next elections in Spain, because he's afraid
00:21:19.120 that he will lose the election.
00:21:21.360 So he's trying to, even with abortion,
00:21:25.040 he will try to modify the Spanish constitution,
00:21:27.880 which is very difficult to do, 0.86
00:21:29.360 but he will try in order to make abortion,
00:21:32.420 for example, a legal right, a constitutional right.
00:21:35.920 So he's doing many, many things very fast
00:21:38.400 because he knows that the new wave of nationalism
00:21:42.260 or patriotism in Europe is coming,
00:21:45.580 And it will also erase the Socialist Party.
00:21:50.260 So, yes, all the leftists in Europe and all these soft Democrats,
00:21:55.160 they're taking as an example what to do against people like us
00:21:59.780 that we want to defend our nation and our culture.
00:22:04.980 Gonzalo, let me put the quote to you,
00:22:07.560 and then we'll come on with this point that you're making
00:22:10.120 about what's going on in Brussels and the wider European Union.
00:22:14.020 And I want to cite the quote directly so that the warring posse can perhaps tap this into their search engines and do their own research and reading on this.
00:22:25.700 It's absolutely true, as horrific as it sounds.
00:22:28.780 But this Brussels-based platform for international cooperation on undocumented migrants called PICUM, P-I-C-U-M, they put out a statement with this quote.
00:22:40.660 Today, this was a couple of weeks ago, but it's referring to the decision on behalf of the Sanchez government to regularise the then-cited 500,000, now we're talking about 2 million people.
00:22:55.920 The decision by the Spanish government to adopt a broad regularisation measure is a powerful reminder that regularisation is not only possible, it works and it's the right thing to do.
00:23:09.040 That was a statement put out by Letizia van de Venet from Peacom.
00:23:13.680 And I cite that because I want people to know, as terrifying as this is,
00:23:18.160 there is this movement in Brussels representing the European left,
00:23:23.580 as you're mentioning, of which Pedro Sanchez has wider ambitions.
00:23:29.520 There is this movement to take this precedent that some people suggest
00:23:35.040 It's actually even against European Union law, but to take this precedent and replicate it in other EU nations.
00:23:43.920 Just two minutes, Gonzalo, before we head to the break.
00:23:48.260 Tell me about your own party, the Democrata Nacional, and your European colleagues across the EU.
00:23:58.240 I know you mentioned this briefly when you were last on the show, but remind me what you and your European colleagues in Europe are doing to try to bring pressure on the Spanish government not to go through with this measure.
00:24:13.200 Because as we said before, just to remind folks at home, the government, the Spanish government doesn't even have the arithmetic to push this through.
00:24:20.900 They're going to do it via royal decree without any vote in parliament whatsoever because it doesn't have the numbers.
00:24:28.240 That's how precarious the situation is.
00:24:33.320 Tell me just very briefly, Gonzalo,
00:24:35.640 what you guys are doing to try to stop this
00:24:39.500 at the last moment from taking place.
00:24:42.600 Well, we are very active in social media,
00:24:44.940 although we are banned from most parts of them.
00:24:47.160 But when we have the possibility,
00:24:49.260 we reach many young people.
00:24:51.120 Last demonstrations we organized in Madrid
00:24:53.480 along with other political parties or movements, political movements,
00:25:00.980 we gather many, many young people.
00:25:03.100 Young people, they are coming back to the tradition.
00:25:06.020 Now to be punk is to be nationalist.
00:25:10.900 So this is what we are trying to do.
00:25:14.020 We are trying that young people, they understand the future that we are fighting for.
00:25:19.860 We are fighting for the future of the younger generation,
00:25:22.440 but also for the legacy of our ancestors.
00:25:25.560 So what we are doing, we are organizing demonstrations,
00:25:29.740 we are organizing also conferences,
00:25:32.800 trying to teach people about geopolitics,
00:25:35.500 that it's not so simple, like people think,
00:25:37.540 that the Christians against Muslims, for example,
00:25:40.740 it's not so easy, it's more complicated.
00:25:44.880 And we try to pressure, not only the Socialist Party, of course,
00:25:49.340 that we try to to pressure this alt-right party Vox that he become more radical because we need that
00:25:56.620 they are in the government where they are presence in the regional government they do something to
00:26:02.220 stop this invasion so our ideas are already spread in whole spain nobody talk about this
00:26:09.820 just 20 years ago when we had one of the first slogans stop invasion and now this copy by this
00:26:16.060 Vox, this alt-right party. So this is what we are doing, a kind of lobby. We are trying
00:26:21.840 to reach the people that we can, because we are never invited to official mass media,
00:26:29.960 no? And we are never invited to the TV. If there is a debate, they will never take us
00:26:34.720 to a debate about immigration. They will take some fake control opposition, because of course
00:26:40.020 people, if they listen to what we say, it's so clear, so simple. They will understand
00:26:45.420 it and they will say like, well, this is something what I think, and they will never allow this
00:26:49.040 opportunity. Gonzalo, stay with us. We'll continue this chat in just two minutes after this short
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00:32:16.360 Well, welcome back.
00:32:18.480 As I was saying just in the first half of the show, and I just want to set the scene here.
00:32:23.880 Ten years ago, most of what the mainstream media calls the far right, the political far right across the year, was on, say, 2%, 3%.
00:32:34.260 percent on a country-by-country basis. Now, the far-right vote is around 20-25 percent across the
00:32:45.860 EU. That's a consequence of the invasion, almost exclusively. It's a consequence of people
00:32:53.940 People are saying to themselves that they don't care if the mainstream media and the establishment and the points, the official points of authority say, you know, you're racist, you're white nationalist, and they've come out with all these pejoratives to scare people off.
00:33:12.940 and which had always before now scared people off.
00:33:16.460 People are now at the point when they see the invasion
00:33:19.780 and the consequences, the crime on their doorstep.
00:33:22.460 They say, whatever, you call me that, whatever,
00:33:25.680 but I'm going to vote for these parties which you guys hate
00:33:28.780 because they're the last hope that we have in order to reclaim our country.
00:33:34.940 And 10 years ago was when Angela Merkel let in 1 million Syrians. 0.98
00:33:40.300 and obviously they dispersed across the EU 0.99
00:33:45.300 and that's what fundamentally changed the political landscape
00:33:49.980 across the European Union.
00:33:52.540 And what we are talking now, what Gonzalo Martin,
00:33:55.380 the deputy leader of national democracy in Spain,
00:34:00.380 democracia nacional,
00:34:02.720 what Gonzalo is sharing with you today,
00:34:06.720 Today, and it's the first time I've seen these figures mentioned, estimating so high,
00:34:13.380 it's not one million third world invaders coming to the European Union.
00:34:19.280 It's two million.
00:34:20.080 So if the entrance of one million people took the hated far-right votes from 3% to 23%,
00:34:31.080 letting in another 2 million will catastrophically fundamentally change the political landscape
00:34:39.280 of the of the open union and that's not a bad thing um now when i said that people see the
00:34:47.560 consequences of this in terms of crime on their doorstep and gonzalo himself was mentioning some
00:34:53.580 of these statistics earlier on the show let's have another look at them again here because
00:34:58.180 These are horrific. This is a report from a couple of months ago that found that foreigners make up already over 30 percent of Spain's prison population.
00:35:10.620 And they commit per capita 500 percent more rapes and 414 percent more murders than Spanish citizens.
00:35:23.680 And by that Spanish citizens terminology, as Gonzalo Martin was explaining to us earlier 0.70
00:35:30.780 on the show, you're already talking about people who are foreign-born incorporated with
00:35:36.000 official papers into Spain.
00:35:37.660 And I don't want to say with great reservation, but if you actually compare these figures
00:35:44.440 of foreigners to those of ethnic Spaniards rather than those who just have the Spanish
00:35:50.360 passports, then you're going to find these figures are even higher. Tell me, Gonzalo, 0.63
00:35:56.440 what is the reaction in Spain to these statistics? You were saying earlier that in the face of these
00:36:03.240 two million people that are preparing their suitcases to come in and to flood, to overrun
00:36:09.640 Spain, people are wandering around in a dreamlike state and they're not really confronting the
00:36:15.640 reality of what is going to happen. What is their reaction, though, to the crime on their doorsteps?
00:36:23.860 Well, as you said, people, they are less afraid to talk publicly about their opinions and what
00:36:29.140 they see in the street. And many people, when they're journalists, they go to this kind of
00:36:32.980 neighborhoods with all these invaders, they are already 90% of the population. And they
00:36:38.980 interview people in the street. Sometimes they are old people that they confess they were always 0.78
00:36:44.400 communist and now they are close to people like us to our ideas because they see the reality and
00:36:51.200 it's not what the TV is saying. It's true that the Spanish people as a nation we are usually
00:36:58.880 reacting a little bit late but when we do you have to be ready. The same happened in Spain in 1808
00:37:06.540 when we were invaded by Napoleon who was supposed to be an ally and people saw all these French
00:37:13.420 troops inside of Spain, and people started to doubt that they were allies, they were
00:37:17.720 more invaders.
00:37:19.100 And it took a while until people decided to go in the streets and fight them.
00:37:23.220 And even the Spanish army, they were traitors.
00:37:26.200 They had orders to not fight Napoleon.
00:37:30.260 So we have always this hope of the last moment of Spanish people fighting and finally rebelling
00:37:37.200 against the situation.
00:37:38.820 It's true that now people see it because the salaries are so low in Spain.
00:37:42.240 Like a waiter working in a restaurant in Madrid will not earn more than 1,200 euros netto.
00:37:49.520 And this is the same salary a waiter is receiving since 2005.
00:37:55.420 So then you see that the prices are like 30% higher.
00:37:59.500 The inflection is crazy.
00:38:01.440 And then you are getting the same salary.
00:38:03.120 Why is that?
00:38:04.040 Of course, because the market is totally destroyed.
00:38:07.860 But all this cheap hand labor that is coming and they accept any kind of job.
00:38:12.240 and people they start to see this and people they have they struggle to arrive to the end of the
00:38:17.640 month and to pay the bills and to pay the mortgage so it's sad that we have to talk about money and
00:38:24.660 because of economic reasons people start to be a little bit more aware of what is happening
00:38:28.860 but it's still there is no a concept of of tribe of we are spaniards we own our lands we are living
00:38:37.840 here since thousands and thousands of years. We are native to this land. We are the true native
00:38:42.820 people, the true native population of Spain, and we have the right to decide what happened in our
00:38:47.980 land. Still, not many people have this feeling because as Spain was a poor country at the end
00:38:54.960 of the 19th century due to the French invasion, the loss of the Spanish empire in the beginning
00:39:00.380 of the 20th century, there were many millions of Spanish people that were immigrating to South
00:39:06.500 America, for example. And there is this speech from the left saying, oh, we're also immigrants.
00:39:11.900 We're also going to Venezuela or Argentina. Yes, the situation was much different. People from
00:39:17.740 Spain, they were not raping. They were not murdering. They were working. They were paying
00:39:21.800 taxes and they were not making problems at all. They were not making problems in France. More than
00:39:26.120 2 million Spaniards were living there after the civil war. We were not making problems in Germany.
00:39:31.940 There were half million maybe of Spaniards working back then.
00:39:34.920 So the situation is not the same, but we are still having this complex that we were a poor country.
00:39:40.200 We also had millions of Spaniards abroad working in other countries.
00:39:45.020 And there is always this sentence that people say, well, as long as they come legally or they work legally, we don't care anymore. 0.62
00:39:53.420 There is no room for everybody.
00:39:55.340 We don't care if they come with papers and tell papers. 1.00
00:39:57.760 We don't care if they speak Spanish. 0.99
00:39:59.240 If they have a cross on the chest, we don't care anymore. 1.00
00:40:01.940 because it's a true invasion 0.82
00:40:03.620 and we want to send them back 0.79
00:40:05.580 all to the homeland. 1.00
00:40:08.840 Some of what you were saying there,
00:40:10.540 you hear in Italy,
00:40:11.640 in the debate here,
00:40:12.420 in the same words,
00:40:13.820 it's the same thing
00:40:15.160 that they're putting out
00:40:16.360 in Italy,
00:40:17.960 the pro-immigration lobby,
00:40:19.700 that Italians themselves
00:40:20.880 have had emigrated
00:40:22.720 from Italy in great numbers
00:40:24.220 and therefore it's somehow
00:40:25.200 hypocritical
00:40:26.120 to say no to people
00:40:27.980 who want to come
00:40:29.120 and live in Italy.
00:40:31.940 Look, we're going to move on and discuss in just a few moments the President Trump factor in Spain right now, because I know this is something important and we'll cover that.
00:40:44.640 But before we do that and we make that pivot, I just want to say that from time to time, President Trump does touch the third rail in the immigration debate.
00:40:55.600 I don't know whether he's serious that he would ever practically do something,
00:41:04.580 but he has suggested from time to time removing the citizenship from people who have come into America.
00:41:14.380 Is there any debate in Spain, or at least within your own movement, of the same thing?
00:41:21.480 You've talked about earlier in the first half of the show the huge numbers of people that have come to Spain beforehand and have been naturalized, have received Spanish citizenship.
00:41:34.900 Is there any debate, or at least within your own movement of democracy and that now, to go through the books, look at how much people are contributing in terms of their taxes,
00:41:44.480 and if they're not contributing anything to strip them of their citizenship and send them back? 0.81
00:41:51.480 Well, in Democracia Nacional, we defend the right of blood, the use sanguinas.
00:41:58.300 So if you don't have Spanish blood, you are not Spanish at all. 0.78
00:42:01.320 You cannot have the Spanish citizenship, then you cannot apply to any public job. 0.80
00:42:06.080 You cannot apply for any kind of help from the Spanish government.
00:42:09.060 This is what we defend.
00:42:10.080 In the Spanish parliament, in the spectrum of the official political parties, including this outright party called Vox, for example,
00:42:21.200 The debate is that, oh, terrorists or thieves,
00:42:25.520 this will be sent back to the country,
00:42:27.700 or some people that go to Spanish citizenship,
00:42:29.900 but they are involved in terrorism,
00:42:31.680 this will be sent to the party, to the country.
00:42:34.300 But there is not a debate like we should send back millions of them.
00:42:39.820 We didn't arrive to that point.
00:42:41.760 They are too afraid to talk about this.
00:42:43.720 But this is the Overton window.
00:42:45.640 We will arrive to that point.
00:42:46.920 to that point as 25 years ago we were the first to say stop invasion against illegal immigration
00:42:53.100 nobody was saying that then they copied so they go always like 10 years 15 years later because of
00:42:58.760 course they are afraid that the people will vote for a political party like like us so they always
00:43:03.880 try to content people giving them what they want but slowly making the situation worse and worse
00:43:10.920 and of course all these million all these millions of immigrants they will vote sooner or later and 0.96
00:43:16.300 Of course, they will not vote for parties like my party.
00:43:20.860 Thanks for that, Gonzalo.
00:43:22.380 We'll come back and just discuss another factor
00:43:25.600 that President Trump is having on Spanish politics now.
00:43:28.560 Just two minutes.
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00:44:46.680 Okay, so, Gonzalo, we've got about five minutes left
00:44:50.020 before our time is fully run out.
00:44:54.940 There has been something in the Spanish media here,
00:44:58.940 and I wonder if Denver would be able to kindly put up
00:45:02.580 the fourth article on the screen.
00:45:04.160 And this is the suggestion that Trump, President Trump, is so unpopular right now, in part because of the war in Iran, unpopular in Spain, it's actually encouraging, strengthening Pedro Sanchez's position.
00:45:25.840 So instead of declining in popularity, he's actually getting an uptick of popularity.
00:45:31.840 This would be what we would call the law of unintended consequences, but not from my lips.
00:45:37.780 Let the Warren Posse hear from you how the consequences of this war in Iran is taking place in the domestic Spanish political environment.
00:45:49.040 Because this really ought to be the grains of sand of political viability ought to be winning out for Sanchez.
00:45:55.360 Instead, he's getting a second win there. Just tell us what's happening.
00:45:59.800 Yes, you are totally right. This is what is happening.
00:46:02.720 Many people that they are considered themselves conservative or right wing supporters,
00:46:07.360 they struggle now to support foreign affairs policies from the Trump administration,
00:46:13.420 because most part of people don't agree to have a war.
00:46:17.960 We didn't agree to have the NATO basement in Spain to send the ships, warships and planes to bomb Iran that honestly is not an enemy, at least of the Spanish nation.
00:46:37.180 So this is making Pedro Sanchez, as I said before, kind of – Pedro Sanchez is being seen as the only leader who is facing Trump.
00:46:46.960 And this is very dangerous because, as we were talking today, the policies of Pedro
00:46:53.140 Sánchez, they are 100% anti-European.
00:46:56.120 He wants an invasion of Europe by immigrants.
00:46:58.700 And if you are giving him so much power, being the only politician facing Trump, this is
00:47:05.800 very bad.
00:47:06.580 And what people see in Spain is that America is kidnapped 100% by Israel. 0.71
00:47:12.660 And nobody can understand.
00:47:14.100 People, they start to ask these questions to themselves.
00:47:16.480 even a radical leftist that they are always they were never they were criticizing israel but they
00:47:23.680 never wanted to have a debate about israel because then this is what the extreme right is doing but
00:47:29.460 of course people are saying like why is such a big and powerful country like america the most
00:47:34.160 powerful country in the world is always obliged to go to every war that israel want it's like
00:47:40.040 america is the dog of the master israel and this is what people start to see it's so obvious now 0.55
00:47:45.900 that Trump was so proud, saying that he deserved the Peace Nobel Prize.
00:47:52.400 And now he's starting a war against the interests of everybody,
00:47:56.320 the interests of Europeans, the interests of Americans,
00:47:59.560 rising the prices of petrol so much that we are paying the consequences.
00:48:04.220 And, of course, it's very unpopular.
00:48:05.860 And then there is a leader who saw the situation and said,
00:48:09.480 OK, I will be the one who is fighting the evil.
00:48:12.900 And this is what is happening.
00:48:14.080 And people, they start to see Pedro Sánchez as the only leader who can face Trump.
00:48:18.360 But it's ridiculous.
00:48:19.720 A person that he was not even vote in Spain.
00:48:22.280 And he's the president only because he gathered all the votes from everybody who hates Spain
00:48:26.140 inside of the Spanish parliament.
00:48:28.200 So this is ridiculous.
00:48:29.100 But this is the situation. 0.53
00:48:30.020 Trump, he owes so much to all these Zionist lobby in America that were giving hundreds
00:48:38.100 of millions of euros during the election campaign, that now he's in debt with them.
00:48:45.560 And this is what people see in Spain.
00:48:48.900 Even people who are not so much involved in politics like I do, for example, they start 0.54
00:48:53.420 to see this, why America is involved in all this Zionist interest.
00:48:57.640 America has nothing to do with that. 0.70
00:48:59.700 We don't want a war in the world.
00:49:01.940 And American citizens, I'm sure they don't want it neither.
00:49:04.920 And it's been very difficult to support Trump.
00:49:09.260 I don't support Trump myself, but people who like Trump,
00:49:12.820 especially alt-right supporters in Europe,
00:49:15.060 now they start to see, like, how can I say that I like the policies of Trump
00:49:19.080 while he's doing all these crazy things, no?
00:49:23.620 I don't want to put words into your mouth, Gonzalo,
00:49:27.040 but I do need to synthesize what you're saying here
00:49:31.320 in an accurate and authentic way.
00:49:33.100 So is it because this is what you're saying here is what I'm hearing, you know, because I'm in daily contact with countries across the European Union.
00:49:40.960 And pretty much what I'm hearing from you is what I'm hearing from the rest of our political colleagues on our side of the spectrum.
00:49:50.240 Are you saying, are you drawing a straight line now and saying that the president's war, President Trump's war in Iran, hand in hand with Israel, are you saying that the unintended consequence of that in terms of the great openness that many people did have in continental Europe towards President Trump more widely?
00:50:19.240 more widely up until very recently. The consequence of this war in Iran, not just to do with the
00:50:24.840 high cost of living that we're now seeing in Europe, the consequence of this war is that it's 0.88
00:50:30.360 going to be more difficult to stop the third world invasion in continental Europe. Are you
00:50:37.560 drawing a straight line between these two phenomena? Yes, sadly. The same with the Syria
00:50:45.400 war they were all these islamists were supported by the american intelligence unfortunately and by 0.90
00:50:51.720 israel of course like al-as-nurrah and al-qaeda we know that it was founded by by the mosat and 0.97
00:50:59.360 also american second services and we have the constant we had the consequences of the invasion 0.91
00:51:04.040 of europe already with millions of syrians and not only syrians and yes of course they are trying to
00:51:09.500 get a situation that all these people will invade Europe. Because every time there is a war in 0.99
00:51:16.000 Middle East, the people who pay the consequences are Spain. I mean, are the Europeans. They are 0.82
00:51:21.280 not Americans. We are the ones suffering the invasion from the wars that Israel is telling 0.96
00:51:26.720 America to get involved in. This is ridiculous, no? Why America is getting involved in wars that
00:51:34.020 It has nothing to do with their interests,
00:51:36.120 only to support a tiny state of 7 million inhabitants.
00:51:39.940 This is the main point.
00:51:43.600 Consuelo, that is the end of the show,
00:51:45.380 and I'm grateful for your sharing your perspective
00:51:48.440 on the geopolitical situation here
00:51:50.740 and its impact on European politics.
00:51:54.660 People need to hear that.
00:51:56.220 You are a great patriot.
00:51:57.600 Where do people go to learn more about democracia nationale
00:52:01.420 and to see how they might potentially even support you?
00:52:05.840 Yes, they can visit our website, democracienacional.org.
00:52:10.580 They can follow us in Telegram.
00:52:12.560 We have a channel very active in Twitter.
00:52:15.720 And we publish all these things that nobody will find in the mass media in Spain.
00:52:22.600 And we are pioneers talking about immigration. 1.00
00:52:26.360 Since 1995, we are preventing Europeans about this invasion we're suffering. 1.00
00:52:32.240 Gonzalo Martin, Deputy Leader of Democracy and National, thank you very much, as always, for coming on the show.
00:52:37.840 My thanks to Kyle and his great team at Real America's Voice in Denver and to Victoria Santifranco, who put this show together.
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