Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 989： “Pope” Leo Is The Anti-Trump — So Catholics Will Need To Oppose Him In Order To Reverse The INVASION

00:00:00.000 Today, as we all know, there was also this threat against all the people of Iran.

00:00:08.000 This is really not acceptable.

00:00:11.000 Here there are certainly issues of international rights,

00:00:15.000 but much more, a moral issue for the good of the whole people.

00:00:30.000 cities. I don't like it. I'm not a big fan of Pope Leo. He's a very liberal person and

00:00:36.200 he's a man that doesn't believe in stopping crime. The message of the church, my message,

00:00:41.620 the message of the gospel, blessed are the peacemakers. I do not look at my role as being

00:00:47.240 political, politician. I don't want to get into a debate with him. I don't think that

00:00:53.020 the message of the gospel is meant to be abused in the way that some people are doing. And

00:00:58.940 And I will continue to speak out loud against war,

00:01:02.260 looking to promote peace, promoting dialogue

00:01:04.780 and multilateral relationships among the states,

00:01:08.320 to look for just solutions and problems.

00:01:10.140 Too many people are suffering in the world today.

00:01:12.160 Too many innocent people are being killed.

00:01:14.400 And I think someone has to stand up and say,

00:01:16.680 there's a better way to do it.

00:01:20.800 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:01:25.740 Pray for our enemies.

00:01:27.000 because we're going medieval on these people.

00:01:31.040 Here's the time I got a free shot

00:01:32.220 at all these networks lying about the people.

00:01:35.300 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:01:37.220 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:01:38.640 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:01:40.400 but you're not going to stop it.

00:01:41.320 It's going to happen.

00:01:42.600 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:01:46.000 Mega media.

00:01:47.340 I wish in my soul,

00:01:48.980 I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:01:52.780 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:01:55.920 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:02:02.820 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:02:12.520 Wednesday, 15th of April, Anno Domini, 2026.

00:02:17.960 Harnell here at the helm on Steve Vannan's War Room.

00:02:20.740 Well, we just heard in the two minutes of footage, the cold open,

00:02:25.920 the throwdown, the feud between POTUS and the so-called Pope.

00:02:33.840 I'm going to devote the first full half of this show

00:02:38.580 to discussing this and its implications.

00:02:40.680 Probably the most impactful thing on the relationship

00:02:43.940 between the Catholic Church and government and administration

00:02:49.040 since we've been doing this show.

00:02:51.240 And I've got the two best analysts that I know of to help digest this, talk it through.

00:02:58.360 First, Frank Walker, ever present on Canon 212, really the trad-Catholic response to Matt Drudge.

00:03:08.880 And Jenny Holland, who started off on this show as an agnostic, as an atheist, praying the rosary every day, and now a believer.

00:03:21.240 And I think that gives her a unique perspective, too.

00:03:25.480 Frank, I'll start with you.

00:03:27.300 And I have to say that I'm glad that POTUS pushed back against Pope Leo on this,

00:03:33.620 though I sort of feel that the precise comments that he used

00:03:41.540 won't land with the primary audience that he was probably aiming for,

00:03:48.860 which is Catholics who are open to what he is trying to do.

00:03:55.420 And I can say a bit more about that as we take the show forward.

00:03:59.500 But I'm very glad that he has pushed back.

00:04:02.260 And you can see the usual stick of increasingly political cardinals

00:04:08.640 and indeed popes is they make a political intervention.

00:04:14.100 And then when there's pushback, and it's not normally ever as strong as this,

00:04:17.660 This was quite unprecedented in some ways.

00:04:20.180 But when there's pushback, they say, we're not politicians.

00:04:25.480 We're just making an intervention on behalf of our first principles.

00:04:30.500 You know, and he even said, basically, after rolling the grenade in through the door and then running off, I don't want to debate with President Trump.

00:04:39.780 Well, I bet you don't, mate, because debate means analysis and questioning of assumptions.

00:04:45.720 And that's really what politics is about. That's why a two party political system, either really in the UK or America, is so good at getting out both sides of the argument.

00:04:57.660 That might not be more than that. They might not achieve anything more than that in terms of adding to the sum total of knowledge.

00:05:05.220 But at least we have the thesis and the antithesis. Right. People can look at that and decide which side lands with them.

00:05:13.720 So, and I will say what I think perhaps, if there's time, what I think perhaps President Trump might have considered in his response, because, and J.D. Holland's going to add something to this debate as well on the fact that there is a Catholic position in favour of this war in Iran.

00:05:36.760 um but let's first of all frank tell us basically sketch out for us how this feud started i think

00:05:44.860 fundamentally started around easter sunday right um with the pope's remarks and then of course

00:05:50.320 um uh pope president trump being president trump when there's an attack he responds and then the

00:05:57.600 pope responds and then the president responds and we've been entertained by this twitter feud

00:06:02.760 if i might call it that um on social media fundamentally um since then to bring us up

00:06:11.520 to date with the latest exchange here between the pope and the president well it's um it's been

00:06:19.400 constant really it's been almost every single day pope leo will make an intervention against this

00:06:26.180 war ever since it started back in February. So I know on Palm Sunday he did. He certainly used

00:06:34.860 the Good Friday via crucis to make the same speech, always about war, always against war,

00:06:43.860 always pacifist in his speech. But I was surprised when Trump intervened because you remember the

00:06:50.740 whole time that we had Francis, Francis was pretty direct occasionally. He wasn't direct

00:06:55.180 every single day like Leo is. But, you know, he came to America and he said that Trump wasn't a

00:07:00.500 Christian because of the way he handled illegal aliens. But, I mean, even back when

00:07:07.160 Cardinal Cupich was going to give an award to Senator Dick Durbin for, you know, even though

00:07:14.320 he was a horrible pro-late-term abortion guy, hope Leo defended him. He said, you can't be

00:07:20.720 pro-life and be against illegal aliens or had this mistreatment of illegal aliens.

00:07:25.020 So he's been direct the entire time. But you mentioned how there's this Twitter war.

00:07:31.340 And when you look at the Trad Catholic Press or the Faithful Catholic Press, I think it is Faithful Catholic Press, they are almost 100 percent against Trump.

00:07:42.180 In fact, they're targeting Trump directly and their kid gloves with Pope Leo.

00:07:47.160 And that's the kind of thing that I think has really gotten Trump where he had to respond.

00:07:52.720 This kind of a thing, Pope Leo, when he showed up a year ago, everybody was so excited about his

00:07:57.200 manner. And I was thinking, well, he's a gentle manner. That's better than Francis. But you can

00:08:01.880 see it here, how effective he is at doing what, like you said, I'm just preaching the gospel,

00:08:07.340 man. This is just the gospel. And if you see the three cardinals on 60 Minutes, Cardinal

00:08:13.120 Tobin, you know, he says, it doesn't really matter. He wouldn't say anything about it if

00:08:19.020 it wasn't important. It must be important because he's speaking of God. And that means all the

00:08:24.660 political enemies, like you said, on the right, they're all evil. And they have the church behind

00:08:30.980 them. This trick started back in Latin America, you know, 40 years ago or so. There's a saint now, 0.98

00:08:39.340 there was the same kind of guy as Pope Leo, Francis's Saint Oscar Romero, who told the

00:08:45.600 the soldiers to lay down their arms against the communists in battle. He did the same thing,

00:08:50.500 except for in that small microcosm of what we have all over the world now today. So what you have

00:08:55.160 is an operative. You know, David Axelrod, Obama's number one guy, was in the Vatican,

00:09:01.480 and Leo put off a whole meeting with the Olympians for half an hour so that he could meet with him

00:09:06.940 and strategize. This is the Obama pope. He's selected, just like Francis was, he's selected

00:09:13.600 to be a political operative, not what a pope would do. Cardinal Tobin says whatever he says,

00:09:19.700 it's important, but that's because it doesn't really matter whether it's Catholic or not.

00:09:23.320 The things that Leo says are not Catholic, which J.D. Vance has made very clear just lately,

00:09:28.760 if he were a Catholic pope, he would not be doing political battle with Trump. He would recognize

00:09:34.480 that so much of what is part of Christianity is protected by the right. What he's creating, 0.94

00:09:41.480 He's giving us back the globalist enemies of Christ through this political, you know, very effective, I think, political thing.

00:09:50.040 I don't know where Trump's going to go because, like, his message was very strong, just like his message before the peace ceasefire a week ago.

00:09:59.960 So, but I do think he has some method to his madness.

00:10:02.900 And the fact that he's now signaled out Leo for, you know, as sort of an adversary, I don't think that necessarily people say, well, that's bad for Trump.

00:10:13.240 I don't think it necessarily will be because Trump was persistent and he may have some effect down the line.

00:10:19.180 I don't know.

00:10:20.940 OK, so much in what you've said that I'd like to respond to.

00:10:25.820 I'll pick the first thing, though, and that's the response of Trad Inc.

00:10:32.240 Or even Catholic ink 0.67

00:10:34.000 More generally

00:10:35.280 Which has been appalling

00:10:36.980 In one sense

00:10:38.220 But like everything appalling

00:10:40.480 There is a silver lining

00:10:42.640 On this particular cloud

00:10:44.280 And that's this

00:10:45.340 You cannot

00:10:47.840 And this is the point 0.62

00:10:48.780 I would like the warring posse

00:10:51.400 To draw from this feud

00:10:54.240 You cannot

00:10:56.200 Challenge 0.99

00:10:58.900 a religious figure, a pseudo-religious figure 0.88

00:11:04.580 on politics

00:11:07.160 while still giving him

00:11:09.920 or still recognising that he has moral authority.

00:11:13.880 It won't work.

00:11:15.180 We'll talk about this a little later on the show.

00:11:16.880 But you see this from Phony Maloney.

00:11:19.920 And not only Phony Maloney in Italy,

00:11:22.140 also Matteo Salvini, her deputy prime minister.

00:11:25.360 They're separate parties.

00:11:26.460 but they both came out and said that you shouldn't really be a president trump shouldn't

00:11:34.160 really be attacking the pope um given that and this is why i would pick on some of the words

00:11:42.840 that president trump used in his response and i repeat if you're just joining us now in the last

00:11:48.620 20 seconds i am delighted president trump has responded and pushed back with force

00:11:54.340 I just think some of what he said was a little unfocused and allowed people to the easier way out of the veneer of obedience and sentimental respect for the institutional Catholic Church where it's not appropriate here.

00:12:13.360 people and people need to take a stand and this is the lining now this feud really is going to be

00:12:19.360 a stumbling block to scandal on in greek um and you can look at that stumbling block and either

00:12:28.340 uh as in the new testament as in how saint paul used it and trip over it and stumble on it or you

00:12:36.620 can find that a rock of your faith. And what I mean by that is President Trump is pushing

00:12:43.800 back on against Pope Leo, also on the immigration front, hence the week on crime accusation.

00:12:54.180 And we are each Catholics in public life, basically now being invited to take a position

00:13:00.940 Because the invasion is an existential threat to all of these countries in the West

00:13:09.200 And as we'll talk about later on in the show, Frank, the 60 Minutes

00:13:14.180 This is the preview, the 60 Minutes puff piece

00:13:20.580 On the three probably arguably most important US cardinals

00:13:25.320 The Pope, as that 60 minutes segment makes clear

00:13:31.720 The Pope is now assuming the mantle of the global leader

00:13:38.980 Of the resistance

00:13:45.080 The pro-invasion resistance to President Trump

00:13:49.180 And what President Trump is trying to do

00:13:50.660 That's why we as Catholics need to take a stand

00:13:53.120 You cannot. It is impossible. And Italy is a perfect example of this.

00:13:58.720 You cannot play nicey-nicey in the television cameras and say, oh, it's the Pope's untouchable.

00:14:03.880 He's like the Queen Mother. You can't attack the Pope.

00:14:06.300 You can't do that and at the same time fight hard against the political program that that person is heading up.

00:14:15.880 It won't work. And that's why Italy is awash with the invasion right now, because Italian politicians have been weak in confronting the Catholic Church. 0.69

00:14:31.520 And so, Frank, I think that's the good thing, the beauty about the prison situation and how you see all these people who've been, they're being smoked out now.

00:14:43.980 Whether that was POTUS's intention or not, probably not, but the fact that he decided he was going to push back against the Pope, all the hacks in Trad Inc. now are being smoked out and you can see the performative nature of their public positions in all its own glory, right? Isn't that right, Frank? You can see them now. If you couldn't see it before, you can now see it.

00:15:12.400 I hope that they remember them. Remember who these people are. It's like during the COVID. There's a wall of media propaganda against Trump and against Catholics that recognize that Pope Leo is not Catholic. He's not doing his job.

00:15:29.240 In fact, it's so sad. Ever since Francis, the idea of you can't have a Catholic pope. Remember, we had Benedict step down during the Obama administration, and we had two popes. Benedict even dressed like a pope. So you had an un-Catholic pope, and you had a Catholic pope. This is not a normal situation.

00:15:47.440 So now you have all the cardinals that he made, and then you have Leo, and nobody in the entire world, the entire media, the entire Catholic intelligentsia will address it.

00:15:58.080 It's left only to Trump and today J.D. Vance, and it's good, and it's not going to be good for the Leo church because just like in Latin America, they're going to hurt from this battle. 0.59

00:16:08.480 But the Catholics have abandoned the job and they've left it just to Trump to point out that Leo is not a Catholic.

00:16:17.060 And Tom Homan, you know, and today J.D. Vance says, you know, I pay attention.

00:16:21.260 I'm careful about public policy.

00:16:23.120 I wish the pope would be careful about Catholicism when he says something. 0.97

00:16:27.320 It should be Catholic.

00:16:28.360 And everybody in the world can agree with that if they're faithful.

00:16:32.240 And so I agree with you.

00:16:33.680 This battle needs to happen.

00:16:34.860 It's too bad.

00:16:35.560 It's come this far.

00:16:36.420 And a powerful person like Trump needs to recognize that something has undermined the Catholic Church, this Catholic spring, this Axelrod and Obama in the Vatican.

00:16:46.720 That thing needs to be corrected because the church has obviously lost the power and support that it had.

00:16:52.300 And you need to have the support of power, otherwise you're going to be corrupted.

00:16:55.940 There's a corruption in the church that needs to be addressed by powerful people.

00:16:59.640 You see what happened?

00:17:00.600 You said something at the beginning there, which is fantastic.

00:17:04.140 I'm going to come back to it just after a quick shout out to Birch Gold.

00:17:08.880 And then we'll be over to Jenny, who's going to sketch out the Catholic position on the war.

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00:18:37.440 30th again that's bannon b-a-n-n-o-n to 989898 um frank walker you just said uh

00:18:47.400 something that made my glittering cynical beady eyes

00:18:54.320 stare

00:18:57.980 like a snake

00:19:00.620 looking at a hungry snake

00:19:02.220 looking at a fat mouse

00:19:04.160 just waddling in front of him

00:19:06.320 we should be making a list

00:19:08.500 now on this, we should be making a list

00:19:10.820 of all the Trad Inc

00:19:12.680 attacks

00:19:13.680 against POTUS, just as

00:19:15.880 Laura Loomer, God bless her, said

00:19:18.400 about six weeks ago

00:19:20.660 two months ago, she was keeping a book

00:19:22.580 open of everyone in maga who wasn't supporting israel um i say god bless i'm perfectly right

00:19:30.180 she should be doing that i hope i'm in that book by the way um but i i don't falter at all for for

00:19:35.760 keeping tabs um whatsoever but we we should be doing the same we should be making notes

00:19:42.900 screenshotting the tweets um before they're deleted in real time um because this in this

00:19:51.460 really does indicate what the situation uh is and by the way by the way when it came i did say this

00:20:00.100 with steve earlier on a couple of days ago on the show i'll say it again now because this is what

00:20:04.940 has uh generated the the posturing of half of 90 of trad inc which is the trump as jesus

00:20:15.080 meme um i i will say this that um i wouldn't have posted it myself but i certainly wouldn't have

00:20:25.540 deleted it after posting it there is nothing in that ai generated image that has any christian

00:20:34.060 iconography about trump whatsoever um i will say that you you guys might have different views but

00:20:42.940 Well, I think that everybody has missed the meaning of that tweet.

00:20:49.120 And that tweet is not to be sacrilegious.

00:20:51.080 It's like he was tweeting back his image of Pope Leo, a guy who uses his holier-than-thou

00:20:58.060 persona, because in Leo's case, it is sort of a persona because he doesn't teach Catholic

00:21:02.980 things, a holier-than-thou persona to say, I'm off limits.

00:21:07.120 You can't criticize me.

00:21:08.660 I think that was Trump's message.

00:21:10.060 He was saying, I'm going to be like Leo.

00:21:11.900 Look at me.

00:21:12.380 I'm being religious

00:21:14.060 As if the things that he does

00:21:16.060 Don't have any kind of moral value

00:21:17.720 I mean that was his message

00:21:19.880 But he deleted it of course because it was

00:21:22.120 You know people took it the wrong way

00:21:24.240 Sacrilegious but really it was

00:21:25.700 He didn't actually look like Jesus in the picture

00:21:27.960 He just was showing what he saw

00:21:30.600 When he saw Leo

00:21:31.660 I think he probably deleted it 1.00

00:21:34.120 Because people around him are Catholic

00:21:36.180 And that basically means

00:21:40.320 When I mean say people in public life 0.96

00:21:42.260 for a Catholic, the people who will always crumple

00:21:45.020 at the first sign of resistance probably said to him,

00:21:47.920 this is too scandalous, too blasphemous, you better pull it down.

00:21:50.560 There was nothing in that.

00:21:52.280 As I said, I wouldn't have posted it, but I wouldn't pull it,

00:21:54.780 I wouldn't have taken it down.

00:21:55.500 And I'm absolutely not going to parade my virtue-signalling Catholic persona

00:22:01.180 on social media criticising the president for having published it.

00:22:05.600 I repeat, there was no actual, and it just shows you 0.94

00:22:08.880 how little of Christian iconography half of the people promoting themselves 0.72

00:22:16.180 on social media as Catholics understand.

00:22:19.320 There was nothing in there, nothing in there whatsoever identifiable

00:22:23.520 or recognisable as Christ-like in the way that the AI had conjured up the president.

00:22:33.920 Absolutely nothing, not the vestments, not the little ball of light in the hand.

00:22:38.260 There's no paintings. We've had Western classical art since the Renaissance, about 600, 700 years. Not a single painting am I familiar with in that period of Catholic Christian iconography has ever depicted our Lord and Saviour in that fashion. It was just an AI conjuring.

00:22:55.320 Anyway, anyway, Jenny Holland, you did want to say something on this segment about the Catholic position in favor of the war.

00:23:10.020 Yeah. Well, it's finally turned up.

00:23:13.780 There has finally been a public statement or a public think piece on the justification for the war, according to Catholic doctrine.

00:23:23.560 And it appeared in the free press, which cynics might say is convenient because I'm surmising that the free press being very pro-Israel is also pro the Iran war.

00:23:38.900 But nonetheless, putting that aside, I've been wondering for quite a while now, not just with the war in Iran, but in general, where is the sort of more muscular, less squishy liberal version of Catholicism and Christianity generally, in fact?

00:23:56.940 Because, I mean, I'm and I am far from the expert on this, but I seem to remember growing up that there was there was this idea that you could go to war and it still be a just cause in terms of the faith.

00:24:12.060 And so it's a priest by the name of Gerald Murray, who is a father in a parish in Manhattan, and he writes that Iran meets the criteria for a just war, which is defense, essentially, defending your own people and your own flock.

00:24:34.280 And he attributes this going all the way back to St. Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, and he quotes from the Catechism, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and I'll read what that says.

00:24:47.120 It teaches that governments have the right to engage in, quote, legitimate defense by military force in response to aggression that is lasting grave and certain when all other means of putting an end to it have been shown to be impractical or ineffective.

00:25:01.480 Now, I understand that there is a big debate raging among MAGA and other people as to whether Iran meets that criteria, but there is a legitimate argument to say that it does.

00:25:13.360 And I find it interesting that this argument is being put forth by some priest from Manhattan and not from the Pope himself.

00:25:22.000 I also would like to ask the you guys or the audience, has Pope Leo condemned the Iranian government, now defunct, for the crackdown on its own people that left tens of thousands of Iranian citizens slaughtered?

00:25:39.860 And as far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, he really hasn't come out and spoken about how terrible war is in that regard.

00:25:48.820 Um, again, Iran is a theocracy, um, and I do not, I am not a proponent of holy war in any circumstance, but as, as the head of the Catholic Church and the billions of Catholics across the world, you would think that Leo might be a little bit more circumspect and not have this sort of liberal knee-jerk reaction.

00:26:13.060 and he would have some understanding of these forces that are at play

00:26:18.840 where a Christian nation, the Christian West,

00:26:27.080 is involved in a battle with a theocracy.

00:26:32.220 Now, I just find it very strange that that has not passed his lips.

00:26:35.760 I don't find it that strange because I understand the reality on the ground,

00:26:39.460 but I note it, shall we say.

00:26:43.060 Jenny, we'll come back on this.

00:26:45.500 Thank you. 0.89

00:26:45.920 You've done a sterling job of presenting the neocon, theocon position here. 0.81

00:26:51.220 And we'll let you continue this just after these two short minutes of commercial break. 0.70

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00:32:26.040 Welcome back.

00:32:27.600 Jenny, the commercial break interrupted you in mid-flow

00:32:31.880 whilst you were presenting, what did I call it,

00:32:34.880 the neocon, theocon position.

00:32:38.120 Go for it.

00:32:40.220 Well, I am not a neocon, but I am a flexible pragmatist.

00:32:45.580 And I do not have the same sort of deep qualms about the war in Iran, although I have qualms about war generally, that many MAGA people do, primarily because I don't see Iran as the same as Iraq.

00:33:04.040 And I just think it's a different argument and it's a different situation.

00:33:07.200 I did note the priest who wrote this piece, I'm not sure if you're more familiar with him than I am, but I want to reiterate, I have been searching the internet and wondering why we don't hear more, even if you detach it from the Iran specifics.

00:33:27.560 Why don't we hear more from the Catholic hierarchy about a robust defense of Western values and Western people and the safety of Western people?

00:33:41.820 I mean, this is something that we talk about all the time in regards to immigration and other moral issues. It's like the foundations of the church, which when I was a kid, I perceived, perhaps wrongly, as being conservative, as in conserve your identity and conserve your nation.

00:34:00.360 Where has that gone? And it has not come from Pope Leo, as you rightly point out. It has come from Trump, as profane as he may be. But it does seem to be presented by this Father Murray.

00:34:15.320 Okay, so on to Father Murray's point, here's what I will say. And I'll say it just openly that I'm against the whole, everything that the US has done from the 28th of February onwards, I'm pretty much against.

00:34:32.600 Here's what I will say

00:34:35.280 However, in the debate

00:34:37.140 I think the

00:34:38.660 And I thank you, Jenny, for coming on

00:34:42.120 And making the pitch

00:34:43.420 Here's how I think

00:34:47.800 You can synthesize your position

00:34:49.660 And it needs to be made absolutely on this

00:34:52.100 There is a tradition

00:34:56.000 In the Catholic Church

00:34:57.320 Called just war theory

00:34:58.540 And it is open

00:35:00.720 And I would say the application of those principles is a prudential issue that belongs to Catholics, Christians or men and women of goodwill to decide for themselves in the recesses of their own hearts, informed by their conscience.

00:35:23.480 And that conscience informed absolutely, I would hope, by the fullness of the teaching of the church through the ages.

00:35:30.720 on how to apply those principles to a specific case.

00:35:34.220 And I would have suggested an intelligent thing for any Christian to do 0.97

00:35:41.520 would be to say that as a Christian, that there are principles of just war

00:35:47.860 and it belongs to each individual to work out for themselves in prayer

00:35:55.520 whether any present situation satisfies those principles.

00:36:00.720 That's not what the Pope has done. He's done his pseudo platitudes, his pseudo papal platitudes on peace founded on the shoulders of international law, as he said in explicitly in the cold open at the beginning of the show.

00:36:22.380 And that's what I find most offensive, because if you really want, if you are, especially if you are Catholic, but not necessarily any Christian, believing Christian, if you want authentic peace in the world, then the only way to bring that about is via the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ himself.

00:36:43.120 That's how you're going to have true Christian peace. 0.54

00:36:46.860 And that involves converting peoples, especially peoples who have different concepts of God.

00:36:53.980 And of course, it requires you to say that one culture might be better than another.

00:36:59.380 It requires you to say that one set of truth beliefs might be more true than another.

00:37:07.120 And that's something that the modernists, the relativists who are modernists, who are winning the Catholic Church into the ground will never do, because fundamentally they don't believe, not in Christianity.

00:37:19.400 They believe in secular peace. And that's what I found most offensive about the Pope, putting on the vestments of religion, saying that he believes he's here to promote peace and the gospel.

00:37:35.120 And he quotes the Beatitudes, but there's no reference of Christ in there.

00:37:40.000 In fact, we saw in an amazing juxtaposition provided to us by divine providence itself,

00:37:49.740 we see pictures of the so-called Pope going to the mosque in Algeria, taking his shoes off,

00:37:56.080 bowing his head silent in prayer, saying it's a fit place of worship.

00:38:00.660 That is false charity.

00:38:04.280 Jenny, sorry, I didn't mean to go on.

00:38:07.380 You have about four minutes in which you also have to talk about Phony Maloney.

00:38:12.860 So choose what you want to do.

00:38:13.760 Well, let me just close off because I'm not sure if I was cut off before.

00:38:17.440 But you're right.

00:38:18.420 I mean, that is my point.

00:38:19.900 We are in agreement on that point, that what Pope Leo says are liberal platitudes, modernist, secular, liberal platitudes, and not Catholic teaching or doctrine.

00:38:30.800 And like we spoke about last week, I would prefer to see the full-fat version. If you're going to have it, have the full-fat version. And nor have I heard him say anything condemning the Iranian regime, now defunct, for slaughtering its own citizens en masse several months ago.

00:38:47.900 So, yeah, I mean, I think on that point, Ben, we are definitely in agreement. Now, you mentioned the phony Maloney, as you call her. 0.99

00:38:56.280 I'm sorry, before you segue, before you segue, the regime in the round, because you mentioned it earlier as well, it's not defunct. It's underground.

00:39:05.380 Sorry, I meant the –

00:39:06.760 But it's – please don't. Please don't say it's defunct because – no, no, no, you can't. No, no, you can't because I have a position open on Polymarket on this.

00:39:18.140 The regime is certainly very much on its two feet.

00:39:22.640 Go on. I know you're desperate and chomping at the bit to mention Phoney Maloney has been savaged by POTUS.

00:39:31.960 Yes. What happened?

00:39:33.080 Well, your bets on the regime aside, I was referring to the Ayatollah who was taken out in that first strike a few weeks, months ago.

00:39:40.980 Yeah. So Phoney Maloney, as you call her. 0.86

00:39:43.120 And again, we will disagree on this because I am partial to her with caveats.

00:39:48.140 She has come out and said, in defense of the Pope, and called Trump's remarks unacceptable.

00:39:58.340 And anyone surprised by this is a bit like being surprised that a bear does number two in the woods. 0.95

00:40:05.460 They are Italians. They are going to defend the Pope.

00:40:09.420 I feel like this is not really a newsworthy or a particularly controversial take for her to have.

00:40:16.420 I remain a defender of Maloney because I do think that although policy and effective governance and maybe she's fallen down in those regards and in ways, I do think that robust and in-your-face messaging is still incredibly important.

00:40:42.480 And she has maintained that on issues that are very dear to me, including things like surrogacy and transing of minors.

00:40:52.060 So I'm willing to give her some grace because also she is the head of the Italian government, which is like being that being a snake handler of like many bags of snakes.

00:41:01.040 I don't think there's a more complex country in Europe to rule over. And I'm quite impressed by her public performance.

00:41:10.560 So, you know, while I understand that she is not 100% true blue, or I suppose red it would be, on her dealings with various issues and she's fallen down in a few places, I will go to my grave something of a fangirl of her because I think her PR is extremely strong and I don't think that's a shallow thing.

00:41:36.160 i think that's a very important thing um it would be better if it was backed up by all of the

00:41:41.080 policies but i think it's that i think that's important her pr i do think that's let's not

00:41:47.380 forget pr is basically the most important consonants in the word performative um yeah

00:41:56.400 pr has been fantastic fantastic um i on the other hand i think she gives morale i think she's a

00:42:04.060 morale booster that's what i think not to um here's what i think right because 0.99

00:42:10.420 phony maloney set herself up as the bridge between america and the european union between 1.00

00:42:20.600 maga and the european commission no one asked her to do this but she quite skillfully played 0.99

00:42:27.820 both sides off one another um and that was the the word the bridge that was the the noun that

00:42:33.800 the whole of her government was using for about six months um and i tried to say here to the press

00:42:41.320 in italy but they didn't believe me because they've all been drinking the kool-aid just

00:42:44.560 like you have jenny they they all thought that she was really in mar-a-lago and all the rest of it

00:42:50.080 um well anyway whether that was true or whether that was not true it is no longer true that is

00:42:56.980 for sure and potas has seen the light and he says of her phoniness i thought she was brave

00:43:05.180 but i was wrong and yes sir but you know what better late than never look um we don't have

00:43:11.360 very much left for the show i did a shout out and then we're going to come to frank

00:43:17.220 and just quickly discuss the 60 minutes thing because that is also quite indicative of what's

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00:45:45.880 Denver, if you would kindly play the one-minute clip from 60 Minutes to set Frank Walker up.

00:45:54.640 He started in January with a speech criticizing U.S. military action in Venezuela.

00:46:00.600 After that, the Vatican's ambassador in the U.S. was called to the Pentagon for a meeting,

00:46:08.060 which two church officials described to 60 Minutes as unpleasant and contentious.

00:46:14.060 Since our visit, the pope's tone has sharpened.

00:46:17.400 This past week, he issued a rare condemnation of President Trump's threat to destroy Iranian civilization.

00:46:24.820 The pope called it, quote, truly unacceptable.

00:46:28.480 He also took the unusual step of issuing a call to action.

00:46:33.120 Contact the authorities, political leaders, congressmen, to ask them, tell them to work for peace and to reject war always.

00:46:43.780 The Holy Father usually avoids calling out President Trump by name or any member of his administration.

00:46:50.300 But in a Palm Sunday homily, he appeared to reference the religious language Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who is Christian but not Catholic, often uses to frame the war.

00:47:03.540 Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.

00:47:08.740 Pope Leo warned that Jesus, quote, does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war.

00:47:15.560 frank walker when i was a kid i was told the most solemn form of instruction from the

00:47:25.780 pontifical office was called a papal bull these days i think paper bull is whatever a pope

00:47:31.420 inverted commas will say in front of the tele cameras and the old globalist

00:47:36.420 um slop tell us now because there's a this is a theme that has run right through today's show

00:47:43.820 And it's setting up, in certain ways, ironic as they are, we are in a spiritual battle, but not in the way that people would necessarily expect it to be.

00:47:54.300 My impression of this 60 Minutes coronation, crowning, is that it's fake Pope Leo who's being crowned by the mainstream media as the leader, as I was saying earlier, of the globalist pro-invasion resistance against POTUS.

00:48:15.420 And I think that's the setting up of this 60 Minutes program to do that, having the three cardinals, McElroy, Tobin, and who was the third one?

00:48:30.100 Cupich, three most senior U.S. cardinals to push so hard the invasion agenda.

00:48:37.840 I'm glad we have the opportunity just to say this

00:48:42.020 And that's exactly what the 60 Minutes program was doing

00:48:44.520 Because it illustrates the need

00:48:47.120 Why President Trump needed to take a firm position in opposition

00:48:51.180 But you saw the 60 Minutes thing

00:48:53.100 Tell us your reaction on that segment

00:48:56.180 Well, that clip is just shocking

00:48:59.480 That the Pope would actually tell Trump

00:49:03.440 That his comments are unacceptable

00:49:05.500 and tell people to call their congressmen and attack Hegseth for reading the Bible

00:49:12.540 and misquote the Bible to say that Jesus won't listen to you when you're pro-war, his pacifism.

00:49:20.960 I think it's just, you know, and ordering to do a ceasefire, that is just a strategic,

00:49:26.640 something that the military decides. The Pope doesn't tell you that you have to do a ceasefire,

00:49:31.740 that all your war is always bad.

00:49:33.680 In fact, I think that what he's doing is making sure they always attack

00:49:36.940 the Trump administration, any military, no matter whatsoever.

00:49:40.460 So that's why they've chosen that pacifism.

00:49:43.600 That reference to the contentious Pentagon meeting that they have in there,

00:49:47.700 that's a lie that's not corroborated, that was shot down by the Vatican itself,

00:49:53.960 that was invented by Chris Hale, who's an operative from the Obama administration.

00:49:58.320 Another connection to the Obama administration.

00:50:00.340 So this meeting of the three cardinals, these are the three worst possible cardinals and also the most powerful ones in the American church.

00:50:08.680 Soup, it's the one from Chicago because the Chicago machine is Leo's thing.

00:50:12.420 But that's why they're there.

00:50:14.460 And, you know, I mean, Cardinal McCarrick, one of the most the greatest perverts of all time, he hand selected these three cardinals and they each touch on different things.

00:50:25.440 McElroy says that the war is unjust, but every time somebody confronts them, like you were talking

00:50:29.900 about, Jenny, confront someone, how is the war unjust? They change the subject. They don't really

00:50:34.960 have any actual reason. They have to misquote the Bible. He says, well, it might be war after war

00:50:41.120 after war. He chose the war himself. And Cardinal Cupich just talks about the advertising from the

00:50:47.360 military. He says, it's disgusting to use war for entertainment. And then Cardinal Tobin at the end,

00:50:53.700 making his money. He's all about the illegals, more about the illegals. You know, they're making

00:50:59.420 them have to lie about their identity. And when they, when they, you know, I mean, why do they

00:51:04.100 have to lie about their identity? So the fact that they're even bringing this illegals up, 0.95

00:51:07.540 which is not the topic that the church is on at the moment, shows you how much they're angry about

00:51:13.460 the money, that money situation that they're losing on illegals. That's why they had to come

00:51:17.560 up at that 60 Minutes piece there, but it's just, you know, and they talk about what we've talked

00:51:24.300 about here a lot, the big growth in Catholics, new Catholics, adult Catholics, and they admit,

00:51:30.680 they have no idea why. They don't know why. They think it's like a crisis of authority. Well, I

00:51:35.880 wonder how that happened. They just want you to follow Leo, and they said they're doing a study

00:51:40.360 to try to figure out why in the world are there more Catholics, and really, it's really not that

00:51:44.780 many more than than since the virus it's not setting a huge record it's not that many more 0.95

00:51:49.980 just give me a quick just give me a quick answer in five seconds if um if potus is to succeed

00:51:56.440 in denaturalizing and deporting 30 million invaders from the united states the catholic

00:52:03.960 church including its its earthly representative are going to need to be resisted with every uh

00:52:10.840 every fiber of americans beings is that true yes or no yes because they're gonna fight like crazy 0.97

00:52:18.640 because that's the way they make their money they don't really make it from catholics anymore

00:52:21.840 so it's absolutely important that's their religion very quickly frank 10 seconds canon 212 where do

00:52:28.500 people go yes canon 212 at twitter it's canon 212 spelled out and it can't do 212 you can see in

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Bannon's War Room - April 15, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 989： “Pope” Leo Is The Anti-Trump — So Catholics Will Need To Oppose Him In Order To Reverse The INVASION

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