Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 990： UK Tory Leader Smugly Celebrates Hungarian Nationalist Icon Viktor Orbán’s Election Defeat

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00:00:55.120 Thursday, 16th of April,

00:00:58.120 and Nodormini, 2026.

00:01:00.540 Harnwell here at the helm

00:01:01.900 on Steve Bannon's war room

00:01:03.780 going through some international news today.

00:01:06.060 And we'll have at the very end

00:01:07.420 something from the US, 0.69

00:01:08.540 something I think is pretty much unprecedented

00:01:10.320 at the Supreme Court level.

00:01:13.280 Joining me to analyze, digest,

00:01:15.800 and understand the news today

00:01:17.400 is Peter McIlvenna.

00:01:19.000 Peter, thanks for joining us this evening.

00:01:22.300 Always great to be with you, Ben.

00:01:23.560 Thanks so much for having me on.

00:01:25.120 were you just sipping a cup of tea there guy well it was uh it was water from my spitfire mug so

00:01:31.640 keeping my british identity perfect perfect okay um just got my glass of water here um

00:01:42.080 all right so let's start off with um

00:01:45.480 what i'm going to describe as putting in the category of the mask slipping which is always

00:01:52.720 It's the type of news article that I find particularly helpful in forming the correct narrative.

00:02:00.480 And this is the leader of the UK Conservative Party, the British Conservatives, colloquially referred to, I think truthfully, as the oldest political party in the world.

00:02:13.880 and

00:02:16.400 Kemi Badnik in an interview

00:02:18.780 with the CEO

00:02:21.000 of Axel Springer

00:02:22.620 which is just about the owner of

00:02:24.740 Politico but Peter correct me if I'm wrong

00:02:27.120 I think they're about to buy

00:02:28.100 the Daily Telegraph in the UK

00:02:30.560 in a sit down interview between these two people

00:02:33.160 and to put this right

00:02:34.980 Axel Springer as a major

00:02:36.860 German

00:02:37.520 publishing venture it is right

00:02:40.660 leaning it's unusual in the

00:02:42.600 mainstream media it is both growing very well read um and right-leaning so in this interview

00:02:51.260 the the the the future hopeful Tory the next Tory Prime Minister not um basically said

00:03:02.900 that Orban's defeat gave her hope for the centre-right and that's why I say this is the mask

00:03:10.340 slipping um because of course anyone who studied victor orban's agenda will realize it was pretty

00:03:18.800 center-right uh in most respects i think um apart from the perhaps the immigration issue

00:03:29.200 uh which i i always insist is traditionally a left-wing issue rather than than a far-right

00:03:35.320 issue um but with the the wholesale abandonment of the traditional left by the traditional left

00:03:41.640 it's been the realignment of of politics has left it for the the far right to take on the

00:03:48.120 immigration issue victor albert was also pretty strong on the traditional family values on the

00:03:53.160 lgbt front and put apart from that if you look at the things that his financing of conservative

00:03:59.040 movements around the world via the mcc and what have you these weren't they weren't bringing in

00:04:06.000 people who were commonly known as far writers they were sort of broadly conservative intellectuals

00:04:12.000 and so so for for kemi to come here and say that she thinks his defeat um gives her hope for the

00:04:21.600 center right and you want to explain exactly what she said and what she said i i think is an

00:04:26.440 indication that the toy party has nothing sent to write about it is really just a globalist

00:04:32.420 chapter a chapter of the global the international globalist elite and there's no real pretense of it

00:04:38.840 being anything other than that anymore um tell tell me peter what did she say and what was she

00:04:45.860 trying to pitch to axel springer well this is perplexing and ben i think you've got it buying

00:04:53.940 on the money the mask is slipping and she i mean victor orban i'm sure he wouldn't have been able

00:04:59.640 to stand as a conservative party candidate in the uk he would have been far too extreme far too

00:05:03.820 conservative and for a liberal so-called conservative party in the uk i give kind of

00:05:10.020 give kemi a little bit of leeway simply because she didn't wasn't there right at the beginning 0.99

00:05:15.320 of cameron's time in 2010 she came in what 2017 2018 me in 2019 and she was dropped into a safe

00:05:22.980 And I used to watch her in City Hall whenever I was a senior researcher with the United Kingdom Independence Party back 2017, 2018.

00:05:31.780 And she, I thought, was doing fairly well there, standoff conservative values.

00:05:37.340 But she now is leader of the Conservative Party in the UK.

00:05:42.500 And it is quite shocking that she would take a sideswipe at Orban.

00:05:46.700 Maybe it's just she wants to get in with the new leader in Hungary.

00:05:51.380 Obviously, Peter Meiger, I can never pronounce his surname, but he has got a two thirds majority and there is absolute control, can change the constitution.

00:06:01.640 He has all the levers of power at his disposal, yet he was criticising Orban for having in a powerful position.

00:06:10.240 And you simply go where the voters bring you.

00:06:13.360 But she is criticising and says that right wing populism won't dominate long term.

00:06:19.860 And this offers fresh hope for traditional Conservatives in Europe and the UK.

00:06:25.620 What does she mean by traditional Conservatives?

00:06:28.460 This is something that Nigel Frage's party, Reform,

00:06:33.140 I used to look early in the day at their pamphlets they used to put out.

00:06:39.720 And they were maybe 80% on the financial Conservative side

00:06:45.700 and only 20% on the culture wars,

00:06:50.360 on the issues that really affect people.

00:06:52.200 And my line was always,

00:06:53.260 it doesn't matter if you save a penny in the pound

00:06:55.880 or a cent in the dollar in your income tax

00:06:58.600 if your child is told that they're not a boy but a girl

00:07:02.380 or that sort of thing.

00:07:05.060 That is really what concerns families,

00:07:07.920 what concerns individuals.

00:07:09.300 And I don't think that Kemi really understands that.

00:07:12.680 And she goes down to talk about, you know,

00:07:14.940 if a party is not centred on the economic side

00:07:19.120 and Hungary probably has stagnated a little bit

00:07:22.340 in the last few years,

00:07:24.420 then voters will not put them back in again.

00:07:27.980 But what Viktor Orban did, as you pointed out, Ben,

00:07:31.440 focusing on the family,

00:07:33.860 focusing on those cultural values

00:07:36.520 that Hungary and traditional Christian countries

00:07:41.340 would have held dear is vile. 0.77

00:07:44.120 and is a bulwark against the European Union.

00:07:47.100 But, of course, the new leader who has been voted in

00:07:50.760 with that huge majority is certainly much more pro the European Union.

00:07:57.700 And the whole issue of Russia also into the mix

00:08:03.760 because, remember, Hungary traditionally got 80%, 90% of their energy from Russia.

00:08:09.660 You don't really attack a country that is going to keep you afloat.

00:08:14.120 And Viktor Orban realized that, and he was very pragmatic, where you've got this new leader in power, very much aligned with European Union, very much aligned with this anti-Putin idea.

00:08:29.240 And that is going to be very destructive for Hungary.

00:08:32.900 So I really, I scratch my head and look at this interview and think, what on earth is Kemi thinking, unless it's pure pragmatism and just jumping on the bandwagon of the new leader?

00:08:44.860 Because I can't see anything you would criticize against Orban, unless you believe the lies the European Union put out.

00:08:51.620 um i'll say one thing it struck me uh that peter magyar thought the two years just over two years

00:09:02.500 because i think up until february 2024 he wasn't still a member of fidesz right quite very recent

00:09:09.020 then um in real terms to leave um a political party set up your own um and and then win with

00:09:17.440 this huge majority um first things i think he has established a different brand even though i think

00:09:26.960 he tried hard to to be the orban not orban candidate orban without the orban if you will

00:09:36.200 um and that's most noticeable i think with his relationship with regards to between hungary and

00:09:44.060 the european union specifically i think they want to get the hungary wants to get this 35 billion

00:09:49.540 euros of its own donations of its own taxpayer contributions to brussels to have back which i

00:09:56.080 which have been totally illegally blocked uh via the eu to destabilize the the orban government

00:10:03.500 i think he wants to get his hands on that money um and so there are certainly in terms of mood

00:10:09.040 There's a different tone, and it has been for two years, with regards to what he will say, what would be Hungary's relationship with the European Union.

00:10:18.840 You mentioned Russia, and I have to say the most recent remarks that he's come out with actually seemed very moderate with regards to Putin and indicated to me an intention at least not to be pulled automatically into the gravitational vortex of Brussels with regards to Ukraine.

00:10:40.880 But specifically with regards to Russia, for the reasons that you mentioned, there were reasons of Hungary's national interest to keeping a bridge open to Moscow.

00:10:56.560 And I think I'm going to wait to see what Magyar does on that one.

00:11:00.320 What is Kemi doing here is the question that you asked, the rhetorical question. 0.50

00:11:05.540 And I will suggest, and you mentioned it in the first part of your answer, really the answer to this is I think she's narrative framing.

00:11:13.680 And of course, she's on the back foot hugely.

00:11:17.460 They had the worst ever result in a century in 2020, 2014, just before she was elected leader.

00:11:25.600 And the reason for that is, of course, Nigel Farage and Reform UK.

00:11:30.140 And when she takes a swing, when she says explicitly that conservatism is being challenged more by the right now, the economic nationalists, the populists, but I don't think that's going to be long lasting.

00:11:42.140 She's obviously, I would suggest, engaged in narrative framing, trying to suggest that Victor Orban ran out of steam, pushing that agenda.

00:11:53.200 And even though Nigel Farage is pushing the same sort of agenda in a UK context in the UK, that project for his will also run out of steam.

00:12:02.560 I think it's narrative framing, but I think it's completely missed the reality of what's taking place.

00:12:07.360 lest we forget and that's why um when i was on the show with steve on on monday i think the day after

00:12:13.740 the results had started to come in from budapest i really have an analysis on this that i haven't

00:12:19.660 seen picked anywhere else and that is it was always going to be very difficult to be honest

00:12:25.480 very difficult for victor orban to win after 16 straight years 16 continuous years um in in in

00:12:35.100 government in in in governance as the head of the government he did four years i think before that

00:12:40.720 back in the 90s but from 2010 to 2016 that's a heck of a long time uh and i sort of think he

00:12:48.140 was challenging the laws of electoral gravity going for another mandate i think with hindsight

00:12:54.460 well i mean i was sort of saying this before but um i'll be gracious and say with hindsight

00:12:59.700 Right. Perhaps the last mandate, he should have been sort of choosing a successor, an anointed assessor, rather than letting the natural democratic process do that for him.

00:13:11.920 But that's what I think she's up to. If you have any closing remarks on this, Peter, I'll give away to you now and then we'll move on to the next article that we're going to talk about.

00:13:21.300 No, I think it's just her trying to distance herself

00:13:23.380 from someone who was linked to President Trump

00:13:26.240 and someone who was linked incorrectly, I think, to Putin.

00:13:30.660 And she's trying to put water there.

00:13:32.220 But that doesn't connect with the British voters.

00:13:34.480 The British voters didn't wake up and think,

00:13:36.620 oh, we've got a strong opinion, yes or no, on Orbán.

00:13:39.860 It's really not affecting the UK.

00:13:41.940 So I don't understand why she jumps into this issue

00:13:46.080 and makes an issue of something that doesn't affect the British voter. 0.99

00:13:51.640 And she's got enough to play with on an inept Labour Party,

00:13:55.780 on the rising Green Party,

00:13:57.220 on trying to put distance between her and Nigel Farage.

00:13:59.440 That should be her focus.

00:14:01.200 And yet she's, what, celebrating going up in the polls a little bit

00:14:05.460 to maybe 20% or so, or 19% from 15%.

00:14:09.020 So it's death by a thousand cuts.

00:14:12.620 That's really what I think it is.

00:14:14.060 look um in addition to the narrative framing she's also doing bait and switch uh because she

00:14:21.780 said that um complacency has been eating at the heart of all of western europe describing it as

00:14:30.020 europe's biggest disease but it's not complacency at all it's an in your face attempt to win an

00:14:37.120 election and pretending to be close to the ordinary working guy, but fundamentally being

00:14:44.100 part of a globalist pro-invasion system, which is radically stabbing the ordinary working guy

00:14:51.180 in the back. This isn't complacency. Something that I say occasionally is that with our globalist

00:14:58.680 overlords, our sociopathic overlords, it's impossible to know where incompetence ends

00:15:04.600 and bad faith begins and that's where i i flag this so it's not complacency at all it's the 0.98

00:15:09.840 fact that these guys are sociopathic sociopaths they hate western to the judeo-christian western 0.95

00:15:16.620 civilization and they're actively trying to destroy it and it's in your face it's not 0.99

00:15:21.420 complacency as if oh look we're just ever so slightly incompetent this is a deliberate plan

00:15:26.700 a deliberate design that they're they're implementing and she says it again i i think

00:15:31.380 there's a lot of complacency that invitation blaming merkel now that that invitation to a

00:15:37.100 million syrian migrants to germany was one of the reasons why people became more skeptical

00:15:42.380 about the european union project that again it's bait and switch it's it's pretend that we're on 0.99

00:15:48.420 your side that's what wasn't what's going on at all the invasion woke up people right across

00:15:55.140 continental europe that are so-called center right political parties have nothing conservative

00:16:00.980 about them. And that's why they took country by country by country the really drastic step

00:16:06.980 of leaving the centre-right and setting up whole new movements. That's why we saw what's called

00:16:13.360 the far-right in the popular press. It's not really at all. It's really where the centre-right

00:16:18.220 was 50 years ago. But we'll use the journalistic terms. That's why we saw these far-right political

00:16:25.380 groupings in 2015 on about three or four percent across the the the continental europe and now

00:16:32.240 they're on 20 to 25 percent it's because of the invasion people are sick of it they're just they're

00:16:37.440 sick of their communities being destroyed by by a system an ideology that hates them

00:16:45.540 again she dismisses it as complacency bait and switch uh and i i think people are waking up

00:16:53.440 They're not going to be confused by that any longer.

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00:18:27.140 bannon to 989898 and do that today so next up peter uh we are going to discuss what do we have

00:18:37.340 is it uh it's the afd we were just talking about this how political parties across europe have

00:18:44.280 jumped up from no no that wasn't that wasn't an auto that wasn't an artificial segue um this was

00:18:49.880 totally um i i hadn't realized this um jumped the jumps now um up by four points in germany to 27

00:19:00.320 uh points and they're now ahead of the christian democratic union angela merkel's party

00:19:05.880 and four out of five Germans are saying that they are dissatisfied

00:19:11.380 with German Chancellor Friedrich Metz.

00:19:16.440 And that's a huge dissatisfaction level,

00:19:20.840 bearing in mind that the guy was only elected last year

00:19:23.380 and he's fallen, he had a dissatisfaction level of 55%

00:19:28.120 in some of last year and now it's four and five Germans, 78% are opposed.

00:19:33.700 What's going on in Germany then?

00:19:37.240 Well, this is a good news story from the confusion of the Conservatives in Britain.

00:19:41.880 And I wait to hear Kemi Bednock coming out and attacking the AFD because they are very much in the mould of Viktor Orban wanting to look at those traditional values.

00:19:53.820 And it's fascinating because I think it was earlier, I think it was earlier this, earlier last month, I think it was March, there were two elections in the west of Germany and the AFD doubled their share.

00:20:08.820 And Germany is basically still split west and east.

00:20:12.460 And the AFD are polling top in really everywhere in East Germany and traditionally have not performed, traditionally they're a new party really, but traditionally have not performed as well in the West, which is more liberal.

00:20:25.180 But that is also changing because the two elections they had in two of the regions last month, AFD doubled their share and won.

00:20:35.920 They just over doubled.

00:20:38.000 And that shows that actually this understanding, this feeling of actually what is the culture of Germans, what traditionally does that mean?

00:20:49.600 And Germany don't want to be just taken over by the European Union.

00:20:55.520 They want their own identity, as traditionally most countries do want.

00:21:00.240 And that's why this is fascinating.

00:21:02.780 Of course, the next national election is two years away.

00:21:06.600 So it's got a while to go, but you'll have those regional elections.

00:21:10.780 And they're going to keep putting AFD first, certainly in the east or in the west of Germany, maybe second.

00:21:17.160 And this is going to strike fear.

00:21:19.100 And this is going to be interesting to watch how the elite respond to this.

00:21:23.600 We saw how the elite responded to Marine Le Pen in France when they made sure that the vote was not split on the other side.

00:21:32.580 And they did that to make sure that she would not win an absolute majority and held her out of those conversations on setting up a government.

00:21:42.060 Same thing has happened in Austria with the Freedom Party.

00:21:45.240 They won the election and yet they, for the first time since the Second World War, the leading party was not allowed, not invited to actually form a government.

00:21:55.660 My concern is that Germany is too important.

00:22:00.520 This is not a small country.

00:22:03.200 This is at the heart of Europe.

00:22:05.160 And my worry is that despite, and I'm hoping and praying, that we see each election bringing forward a landslide in two years.

00:22:17.160 But of course, Germany, as many countries in Europe are coalitions, and whether or not the AFD will have enough to actually win.

00:22:27.220 But you saw obviously with Gerd Fielders in the PVV party in the Netherlands having to rely on many other parties to come together in a coalition.

00:22:36.300 And that provides chaos and in Germany has provided this confusion and the refusal to accept the AFD in any of those political conversations.

00:22:48.600 This firewall that the article refers to, that no matter how well the AFD do, the other parties refuse to engage.

00:22:57.420 At some point, that firewall has to break.

00:23:00.340 And at some point, the government has to deal with the parties that are being elected by the people.

00:23:07.520 So it'll be fascinating watching those election after election to see at what point does it happen

00:23:13.200 that the governing party are forced to actually discuss with the AFD

00:23:18.700 and how do the AFD respond?

00:23:20.540 So it's fascinating because Germany are the powerhouse of Europe

00:23:25.780 and you've got a weak France, you've now got a weak Germany.

00:23:28.900 Imagine what would happen if you had AFD in Germany

00:23:31.700 and Le Pen or Jordan Badu in France.

00:23:36.560 Actually bringing that heartbeat of Europe to traditional values,

00:23:40.820 national identity, and actually not letting the EU run the show.

00:23:44.920 It'll be fascinating.

00:23:46.060 So two years to go until national elections.

00:23:48.380 We'll see what happens.

00:23:51.120 No, you've got all of these points there in your response.

00:23:56.140 Absolutely.

00:23:56.780 Firstly, that was Alice Vidal's remarks when this YouGov poll came out

00:24:03.260 that it's time, it's been time for a long time,

00:24:05.960 but it's now time to pull down what she calls this undemocratic firewall

00:24:10.400 and bring the AFD fully integrated into the decision-making process.

00:24:16.540 But of course, the longer that the firewall stays up,

00:24:19.160 the more powerful the AFD become,

00:24:21.640 because they're not tainted with the collaboration

00:24:24.620 with these failing, unpopular mainstream political parties.

00:24:29.460 For a largely American audience,

00:24:31.500 I'll add that Germany is easily the largest

00:24:35.320 in terms of population and economy of the member states of the of the of the EU member states by

00:24:43.700 far the largest has critical therefore importance for the for the life and direction of the European

00:24:50.500 Union therefore Peter as you as you're indicating it cannot be over estimated the importance of what

00:24:58.500 is going to happen on continental Europe should that most the largest and most important member

00:25:03.580 state uh fall into the hands of the afd it will be transformative uh and it's also worth mentioning

00:25:12.460 that the cdu which is the christian democratic union the political party of angela merkel

00:25:20.300 political party of the president chancellor friedrich metz is also the political party of

00:25:25.580 party of ursula von der leyen the um the uh the the president of the the low president of the

00:25:33.740 european commission many things will change if because germany is incredibly well integrated

00:25:40.140 christian democrats are very well integrated into the european governance structure via the european

00:25:46.460 people's party which is the the largest group in the european parliament which is the collection

00:25:51.340 of all the Christian, the so-called Christian Democrats political parties across Europe.

00:25:57.460 Very, very interesting things happening here.

00:25:59.940 Just very quickly, because you mentioned the elections in two years' time,

00:26:03.840 do you have any idea if the firewall isn't brought down,

00:26:10.580 do you have any idea, projections of what you think will happen?

00:26:14.620 I know it's some way off yet, but if they continue to be kept outside,

00:26:19.140 outside do you think that will give them more credibility in the elections oh it will break

00:26:24.940 it will break and whatever the government have done to stop them hasn't worked so the fd will

00:26:30.220 win um they've been called extreme terror organization everything and yet every time

00:26:35.440 the god every time the the establishment tries to hold them back they grow and grow in the pool

00:26:40.140 so it's not going to stop as we had armen um um erin agashahi on the show last week from germany

00:26:48.840 He basically said, as Reagan did by the Berlin Wall, bring down this firewall.

00:26:55.880 I'm sure it's going to happen, Peter McIverney.

00:26:58.000 You're absolutely right.

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00:32:16.820 putting huge pressure on the european members of nato america's great reliable allies to

00:32:27.840 wake up their defense spending from the uh the agreed i think it's two percent of nato uh defense

00:32:37.380 spending up to five percent um and of course this is having knock-on consequences across europe

00:32:45.700 because the money doesn't exist i uh the financial times article but you can see it on your screen

00:32:55.500 i think peter mcluverner really does do a disservice to the reality here uh and i'll just

00:33:03.900 read the beginning sentence of this it says the eu and nato are at odds in what officials describe

00:33:10.600 as a turf war over how to manage an extra one trillion dollars a year rearmament drive prompted

00:33:17.720 by donald trump's threats to european security that's a complete misdirection play isn't it

00:33:25.320 because that's not what the issue is here um i get why the ft is spinning it like that but really

00:33:32.300 the issue is is that that one trillion dollars becomes from extra it comes from from the increase

00:33:39.140 in the charter uh of agreed spending to to what america the trump administration has been pushing

00:33:45.660 for the the five percent that's where that one trillion extra is coming from and the ft is

00:33:51.420 trying to suggest i mean there's some truth that the that the war uh the the us israel war in the

00:33:58.920 Middle East has created a lot of instability in continental Europe and continental Europe. It's

00:34:05.840 working out how much pressure, how much of that load is going to shoulder for itself. That is

00:34:10.940 absolutely true. That is part of the conversation. But fundamentally, they've got to cough up this

00:34:16.000 money because Donald Trump is trying to get a better deal for American taxpayers. And they're

00:34:21.680 trying to spin it as threats to European security. I have to flag that up because that is an

00:34:28.100 indication of how fundamentally dishonest the mainstream media is but you have to be hawk-eyed

00:34:33.000 about this to see this um but what's the uh what's going on between what the ft quotes someone here

00:34:41.220 as a as us calling a war between nato and the eu right now well this i mean they they are correct

00:34:51.680 Whenever you ramp up the spending, there will be a heated conversation in Europe that, I mean, it's traditionally been, what, Britain and France, really, who have had the military capability of building their own equipment and most other countries haven't.

00:35:11.780 You've had coalitions of countries building most things, certainly aircraft for decades going back.

00:35:21.940 So the major problem is that Europe cannot be relied upon to actually have a military.

00:35:29.780 One, anything we ever had, we've sent to Ukraine.

00:35:33.740 So we no longer have anything left.

00:35:36.380 I think it was like nine months ago, the head of the British Army said that the UK had, I think, three days of armament or something, like ludicrous, that if we went into war, we could fight for three days and they would have to stop.

00:35:50.000 Compare that to the US and the position of the US in the war with Iran, and it's nonstop.

00:35:56.880 The US is prepared.

00:35:58.180 the European Union would have lasted three days in this war 0.83

00:36:02.700 if they were involved with Iran and they would have stopped

00:36:05.500 and obviously wouldn't have finished the job.

00:36:08.220 In fact, for the UK, whenever Cyprus was attacked supposedly,

00:36:13.500 although we don't know where those missile attacks came from

00:36:16.400 because we're told they didn't come from Iran, who knows.

00:36:19.580 And then it took a month for Britain to send a warship.

00:36:22.320 In the meantime, the Spanish sent a single ship, I think.

00:36:26.020 The Greek government sent, I think, four aircraft to protect Cyprus.

00:36:32.040 The British had to find a ship that we had that was working.

00:36:35.500 Then we found HMS Dragon, a destroyer, and it powered its way to Cyprus.

00:36:41.540 And now, what, three days ago, had to dock because it had to have emergency repairs.

00:36:47.140 But we're told, don't worry, it's available to fight in the theatre, but it just can't go in the water.

00:36:53.580 What's the point of having a ship if it can't go in the water?

00:36:56.300 It's land-based.

00:36:57.780 So it's sitting there.

00:36:58.880 I don't know what it's doing.

00:37:00.400 But that is an example of the situation in Europe.

00:37:04.500 And this article talking about the ramping up of spending,

00:37:08.400 thank God President Trump has called out the utter failings of the European Union

00:37:12.920 and forced them to agree to this ramping up of spending.

00:37:16.840 But I don't know if, one, they don't have the money,

00:37:20.140 and two, they don't have the manufacturing capability to even ramp this up.

00:37:27.840 And you look at the amount of military projects across Europe

00:37:31.020 that are years and years behind.

00:37:34.060 There is absolutely no way, this is a decade-long process.

00:37:38.500 They talk about, yeah, I think they talk about 2035.

00:37:41.420 So it is a decade long.

00:37:42.620 I don't even know if by then they will be able to ramp up this spending.

00:37:49.260 So it's fascinating, it's scary to watch, really,

00:37:53.640 because you'd expect where you live to have a military that could defend you.

00:37:58.740 But even if Europe had the military,

00:38:00.980 do they have the governments to actually press the button and defend themselves?

00:38:05.380 I don't think so.

00:38:06.580 I think they would have sat in negotiations with Iran for a decade

00:38:09.760 rather than do anything to antagonise them.

00:38:13.440 Europe always look at diplomacy from a weak position

00:38:18.340 and don't get anywhere.

00:38:20.360 And that's why the strength that America have shown

00:38:24.980 puts America in a situation that is above every single country.

00:38:30.880 And Europe would do well to look at America, to marvel,

00:38:35.220 and maybe to go into agreements with,

00:38:37.920 I know we've got the F-35.

00:38:40.460 Britain have bought that on our two aircraft carriers

00:38:43.120 that don't work.

00:38:43.840 And Britain have traditionally worked with the US on the military procurement side.

00:38:50.180 Europe have not.

00:38:51.020 But I think that will have to change if we're going to ramp up the spending across Europe for the European Union to be a military superpower.

00:38:59.460 But then the concern is, do the European Union demand central control away from individual countries, individual governments?

00:39:07.860 That is also a debate that has been had in the past and I think will be had now.

00:39:13.340 Whenever this money begins to flow, whenever armaments are discussed, suddenly the European Union will want a share of that.

00:39:20.580 And they will say, why don't we set up a European Union army?

00:39:24.300 That is my concern.

00:39:25.440 So there are many aspects to this, Ben.

00:39:27.700 The FT touched on that small side of the monies involved and the debate of who actually benefits from this.

00:39:35.180 but there's so many other facets to this conversation um let me start off with my

00:39:43.220 response to your magisterial synthesis there by putting out this responding to the 2035

00:39:51.460 deadline which is when the europeans are pretending they're going to have their defense spending at

00:39:56.640 five percent um why why 10 years why why well it's because president trump will be a long long

00:40:03.280 long way from power by the time uh 2035 rolls around they're just i think they're just playing

00:40:10.600 him out they're just saying yeah yes yes mr president we're absolutely it's uh yes we agree

00:40:15.920 with you we'll do it 10 years time we'll be there at five percent don't you worry about it um they

00:40:22.220 and of course fulfilling the knowledge that he'll be long gone um so that call me call me cynical

00:40:27.380 on that one but i think that's why we have the 2035 um deadline long time time in the future

00:40:33.360 uh i can't not mention here with regards it's my favorite illustration of just how performative

00:40:42.700 the european countries are and saying oh we're now getting close to five percent uh we're increasing

00:40:50.200 our defence expenditure by citing what is taking place here in Italy.

00:40:57.960 Phony Maloney has said, I think she said, oh, we're now about 4%.

00:41:05.500 But what they're doing, and this is the problem, right?

00:41:09.120 This is the problem that I think the US administration

00:41:12.200 should be spending a little more manpower on scrutinising these things.

00:41:20.200 the reason they've got up to four percent is because this being italy they've gone in for

00:41:25.080 dodgy accounting and what they're doing is they're counting things that were never defense

00:41:29.980 expenditure for but they were spending when you're in any way because you know the italian

00:41:33.680 government is the italian state is very top heavy um so they're they're just just imaginative

00:41:40.920 accounting saying well this is not defense so you're gonna say okay hon roll that's like a

00:41:44.800 That's a bold claim. Can you back that up?

00:41:47.080 Well, firstly, they've put out, I think, however many billions it is to build this huge bridge between Sicily and the mainland of the peninsula.

00:41:57.340 It's a bridge to nowhere. Huge, a huge boondoggle, I think the Americans term.

00:42:06.300 And God knows who's actually behind that and who's going to get the swiping money off there.

00:42:11.860 but i'll just mention again it's between sicily and and um and uh the the the the peninsula

00:42:18.660 as you can draw your own conclusions over who's pushing that um and she's saying oh this is

00:42:25.820 defense expenditure because we will we you know there's a nato based in sicily and we're going

00:42:31.680 to need to be able to get to it in the case of war so it's basically an infrastructure travel

00:42:38.120 It's effectively a transport infrastructure boondoggle that they're now offsetting against defence.

00:42:46.280 They're including pensions, Department of Defence pensions now as defence expenditure.

00:42:52.980 They're including the coast guards, the Italian coast guards on our defence expenditure,

00:42:59.460 which is laughable seeing as the coast guards haven't done anything to stop the actual invasion taking place in Italy right now.

00:43:06.860 So you have these press releases that are put out,

00:43:10.280 and you have the get-togethers, the heads of government,

00:43:14.400 heads of state get-togethers, and all these countries

00:43:17.020 sort of preen themselves and push themselves to the front of the queue

00:43:20.460 and say, look how wonderful we are.

00:43:21.820 But if you look at what they're doing, so much of it is just BS.

00:43:27.420 And I think they're just trying to wait the president out.

00:43:32.400 Peter, we're going to do the European story on there,

00:43:35.600 which we saved to last in just a couple of moments.

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00:45:19.880 pretty much unprecedented that a Supreme Court justice needs to publicly apologize to a colleague on the bench.

00:45:28.480 And yet that's exactly what has happened.

00:45:31.320 The Obama-appointed Justice, Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor, apologized to Trump-appointed Associate Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

00:45:42.360 um what did she say originally to uh to upset justice kavanaugh and what did she say in her

00:45:52.360 apology well yeah this is fascinating just let me mention your when i traveled the us i have my

00:45:59.480 patriot mobile phone so a great sponsor that the war and posse have there um but no she said that

00:46:06.960 she attacked Kavanaugh for his background.

00:46:11.860 Now, I thought that actually we are all individuals

00:46:16.900 and in this day and age that our background is irrelevant

00:46:20.660 and we make what we make in our life.

00:46:24.040 And it was shocking to have her say,

00:46:28.080 she made the comment that this is from a man

00:46:30.600 whose parents were professionals

00:46:32.400 and probably doesn't know any person who works by the hour.

00:46:36.520 And this is to do with the ICE raids and deportations.

00:46:42.940 And so what if he's got a privileged background?

00:46:46.900 So what if he's got a non-privileged background?

00:46:49.880 Every one of the privileged background does not get to the high levels of the Supreme Court.

00:46:55.600 Those are nine individuals who are regarded as the highest legal minds in the US.

00:47:01.980 So he wasn't granted that just because his parents were well off or he had a privileged background.

00:47:10.300 But it is quite shocking for her to use that as a critique that actually just because you've got a privileged background means that you want to deport people who are there illegally.

00:47:22.640 Surely, if they're legally or illegally, you're breaking the law.

00:47:27.500 That should be an issue that concerns any law-abiding citizen.

00:47:33.240 Maybe she's less of a law-abiding citizen.

00:47:35.480 Maybe she doesn't really worry.

00:47:37.140 I assume she doesn't really worry about people breaking over the border

00:47:40.620 because her boss, Obama, actually put her in.

00:47:47.380 But I'm trying to get my head around this,

00:47:50.600 that you've got a Supreme Court justice

00:47:53.080 that is attacking someone else

00:47:55.900 simply for talking about deportations,

00:48:00.020 sending back those who've broken in the country illegally 0.97

00:48:02.660 and they should be returned.

00:48:05.080 And her criticism is because he had richer parents

00:48:09.420 than she did.

00:48:11.480 So I'm perplexed at this, trying to work out.

00:48:15.660 And of course, she's apologised.

00:48:17.480 I don't think Kavanaugh has actually responded, which I thought was very monogamous of him and shows that he can rise above and take the high road.

00:48:28.420 He's not going to engage in a fight.

00:48:30.600 I think he's stayed silent.

00:48:33.700 I'm sure the posse can correct us in the chat, but I think he stayed silent on this, which I think is a mark of a man that he doesn't engage in this.

00:48:44.380 He is just focused on his job as a Supreme Court justice, making sure that Americans get justice delivered at the highest score of the land.

00:48:56.500 So, yeah. So, again, this is very different from the UK because obviously we have, what, five very liberal judges in the Supreme Court in the UK.

00:49:08.240 we don't have the long tradition

00:49:10.160 it was just put in

00:49:11.680 I think it was put in

00:49:13.820 20 years ago or so

00:49:15.420 and I pass it every way

00:49:17.260 on my way to Westminster

00:49:18.520 but there isn't the focus

00:49:19.760 in the UK

00:49:20.700 on the Supreme Court

00:49:22.680 as there is in the US

00:49:25.180 and she's apologised for comments

00:49:28.920 but she hasn't said they were wrong

00:49:30.720 it's one thing to say

00:49:32.100 I'm sorry if it was hurtful

00:49:34.540 or taken incorrectly

00:49:35.860 But actually, she hasn't apologised for calling someone out because they have a more privileged background than someone else.

00:49:43.700 Would she attack someone who had a less privileged background for what they say?

00:49:48.460 Would she say if someone didn't have a good education, then they're wrong in thinking something?

00:49:55.000 Surely all those Supreme Court judges are very intelligent people, whatever their background is from.

00:50:00.300 And they come to all those rulings very carefully.

00:50:04.520 They don't rush into any rulings. They come to them very carefully and they weigh up everything in those decisions.

00:50:12.360 And I've been certainly impressed, well, maybe more impressed by some of them, by Clarence Thomas, who, of course, is a judicial hero.

00:50:23.140 If only he had nine of Clarence Thomas, but Samuel Alta as well, I've been really impressed by him and impressed by Kavanaugh whenever he was opposed by the media getting into that position and actually holding the line and getting in.

00:50:41.260 Some of the others less impressed, but I don't know what the US media have made of this.

00:50:47.540 I really have no idea because I haven't followed it closely.

00:50:51.340 I've just glanced at this story and read it at face value.

00:50:54.740 But I don't know if the US media have attacked her for her comments, for her attack on his background or have backed Kavanaugh for his silence.

00:51:05.860 Or is this attack on a class system you'd maybe expect in the UK, but maybe less so in the US.

00:51:12.720 Peter, just give me your quick take in 30 seconds on this.

00:51:17.180 do you think justice sotomayor was compelled to offer this apology by john roberts behind the

00:51:26.980 scenes oh i'm sure she was i'm sure she wouldn't have given it just open-heartedly i'm sure she

00:51:33.540 was forced to to give an apology she didn't back down but she apologized for the offense which is

00:51:39.120 often what happens from the left so i'm sure she was forced to to say this apology yes and that's

00:51:46.320 really an indication therefore i think of the unprofessional ability of president obama's

00:51:51.440 original appointment right oh 100 100 100 peter that was absolutely superb many thanks for joining

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