Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 996： Victory On Redistricting In Texas

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:13.960 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:19.220 I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:23.480 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:25.400 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:26.820 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:29.440 it's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega Media. I wish

00:00:36.160 in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and

00:00:43.280 what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room,

00:00:51.600 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:58.900 It's Monday, 27 April, Year of Our Lord, 2026.

00:01:02.400 I want to thank Kevin O'Leary.

00:01:03.240 We just got the interview in.

00:01:06.840 He had to go on stage and start with Brian Glenn, so we're going to get to that.

00:01:10.360 If not later, we're going to do it tomorrow morning.

00:01:12.400 Great little interview, Kevin O'Leary and Ashley Davis.

00:01:14.820 today ron desantis the governor of florida uh put an in your face that completely uh reflects

00:01:24.840 the population movements uh into the state and within the state now that we have a um

00:01:32.240 we have a registration advantage of 1.5 million in florida he put a an aggressive which i love

00:01:41.160 because it's all red 24 to 4 once we get this pass and they're going to get a pass and there's

00:01:46.960 it's going to stand up to court challenges i want to bring in brian harrison this cycle it started

00:01:54.020 really in the great state of texas uh with this hero brian harrison you would not back off this

00:02:01.960 when a lot of people down in texas a lot of the establishment just the carl rose of the world

00:02:06.480 the bush apparatus they wanted to go go away they wanted you to go away they actually ran a rhino

00:02:12.740 against you in the primary um talk to me about the journey you've had where do we start on this

00:02:19.000 and today the supreme court of these united states said this is a fair map it's not xenophobic it's

00:02:25.680 not racist uh it is uh it is excellent and go ahead and use it sir and it wasn't even that close

00:02:33.040 It's a big victory out of the Supreme Court today, coming down 6-3.

00:02:36.920 And, yeah, it's a journey that took a long time, longer than it should.

00:02:40.040 It was a harder battle than it probably needed to be in such a red state like Texas.

00:02:44.520 But this is the real victory, the real credit, and I'm very proud to have been part of this.

00:02:48.340 Steve, your show, The Posse, a huge part of it.

00:02:50.840 But the real credit here goes to the grassroots patriots all across the state of Texas

00:02:55.080 and, quite frankly, all across the country.

00:02:57.400 I don't think the liberal establishment power brokers that have controlled the liberal uniparty Austin Swamp for far too long ever would have done this on their own.

00:03:06.820 I don't think they wanted to do this, but it wasn't just me and elected office that didn't back down,

00:03:11.380 but it was the hardworking, overtaxed, patriotic men and women of the state of Texas that held their elected officials' feet to the fire and kept ramping up the pressure.

00:03:20.220 the posse made a huge impact on this, melting the phone lines underneath the pink dome in the

00:03:25.640 capital of Austin, Texas, to demand that we get our redistricting map done. And quite frankly,

00:03:30.880 it's a redistricting effort that should have happened before now. And between us,

00:03:34.940 I actually think we should have gone bigger. I think it should have been more than five seats

00:03:37.860 now that California has gone and done their thing. But look, five is still big. Five's an

00:03:42.260 improvement. And to have a victory go from a small, you know, relatively small number of

00:03:46.040 grassroots patriots uh middle of last year saying we got to do we got to act and we got to act now

00:03:50.560 all the way through getting maps out of the texas house the texas senate um and then now multiple

00:03:55.320 litigation challenges this thing has gone twice to the supreme court of the united states we have

00:03:58.820 won two times and um and it's and it's a big victory no matter no matter how you slice it

00:04:03.480 coming out of the supreme court today for texas for freedom for the republican party and i would

00:04:07.280 argue for the for the future of the country given how slim razor thin uh the margins are in the u.s

00:04:12.760 Congress. Mark Elias is fully chapped on this. He's up on Twitter right now. What do you have

00:04:19.800 to say to Mark Elias? I just read his tweet, and like I said to you, off your air, you know,

00:04:24.980 liberal tears, they taste great in the morning with a good cup of coffee, but they also taste

00:04:29.280 great in the middle of the afternoon with a cup of water as well, and I couldn't stop laughing

00:04:32.420 when I read his tweet. Here's the thing. The Democrats, these are holier-than-thou,

00:04:37.640 sanctimonious, you know, crocodile tears. Spare me the hypocrisy, okay? They have no problem 0.99

00:04:43.640 whatsoever with states redrawing their congressional maps to maximize partisan political

00:04:48.820 advantage. They're just angry that Republican states are finally doing what these woke leftist

00:04:55.140 progressive blue Democrat states and Democrat governors have been doing across the country for

00:04:59.680 well over two decades. Texas is finally coming to the ballgame here, putting points on the board.

00:05:05.800 they can't stand it. And then as you mentioned, a fantastic leadership coming out of Florida today

00:05:11.560 with Governor DeSantis unveiling his map. But if you look at it, it is almost all red. It's a thing

00:05:16.120 of beauty. It looks wonderful. And I would just say a word of encouragement to my colleagues,

00:05:19.740 my counterparts in the state legislature down in Florida. Take some word of advice from somebody

00:05:24.920 who just went through this battle. Put the noise aside. Don't listen to the media. Don't listen to

00:05:29.380 the critics. Don't give any attention to the radical Democrats in your chamber. You do what's

00:05:33.360 right for the people of your state, the people who elected you, the people that want bold

00:05:37.160 Republican representation coming out of Florida and Washington, D.C., and you ran that map through.

00:05:42.740 You put those four congressional seats on the board for Republicans, for freedom, and for liberty.

00:05:47.660 Fight boldly. Brian, we got acquainted with really the internal politics of Texas on the

00:05:54.380 impeachment and trial of General Paxton, and then this effort with the redistricting,

00:06:01.640 And people throughout the country, this became a global story on War Room, as it did when we went down and spent three months, I think, in Texas in January, February and March for the for the primary.

00:06:13.560 But people around the country were shocked that the grassroots is so powerful and so dedicated down there.

00:06:18.780 But the establishment fights them every day.

00:06:20.780 Is this effort now that we've gone all the way through the Supreme Court and they've they've verified this?

00:06:26.680 are we seeing any shift at all or is the establishment still we still have a civil war

00:06:32.180 between the grassroots folks in texas and the republican establishment yeah no look at so

00:06:38.120 there's the bad news and there's good news okay the good news i'll start with that is that when

00:06:42.160 the grass when texans have their eyes open and when the when the when the corruption and the

00:06:47.080 betrayal of the voters of texas who want bold conservative republican leadership when that

00:06:51.800 betrayal is exposed. Texans don't tolerate it. They rake their voice heard. They demand action.

00:06:57.840 And that's how we get results, exactly like how we got on these new congressional maps.

00:07:02.160 So the bad news is, yes, there's absolutely still a civil war going on here because we have a bunch

00:07:06.360 of fake Republicans who, unless they're forced to act like they were in this case, they continue

00:07:11.220 to collude with the Democrats and empower the Democrats over the objection of the voters who

00:07:17.100 overwhelmingly elected Republicans. And I'll give you an example. The Democrats who broke quorum,

00:07:21.100 by the way, have still never been punished for this. The leadership of the Texas House,

00:07:26.180 supposedly a Republican, was literally elected by the Democrat caucus in the Texas House. And

00:07:32.960 part of this, so people like radical leftist James Tallarico, you know, six genders Tallarico,

00:07:37.760 helped elect, I'm not making this up, James Tallarico literally was part of the coalition

00:07:42.320 that helped elect the Republican, Republican Speaker of the Texas House. And in turn,

00:07:47.360 the Republican Speaker of the Texas House

00:07:49.300 rewarded James Tallarico, he empowered him,

00:07:51.580 he platformed him, he put him on

00:07:53.360 four committees, gave him two

00:07:54.900 vice chairmanships, okay,

00:07:57.480 and put him on the committee that

00:07:59.360 was in charge of how to punish the

00:08:01.340 Democrats. So the Republican leadership

00:08:03.280 in the Texas House is actually

00:08:05.300 who helped elevate

00:08:06.840 radical leftist James Tallarico

00:08:09.100 in his rise to national

00:08:11.180 prominence. So while this is an unmistakably

00:08:13.160 a huge victory, and we should celebrate

00:08:15.480 it. We cannot rest on our laurels. There are still fake Republicans who control the Texas

00:08:21.640 House of Representatives. And the voters of Texas have got to understand we've still got a lot of

00:08:25.820 work cut out for us because I'm sick and tired of Democrats getting to pick the Republican,

00:08:30.540 nominally Republican leadership in the Texas House. Texas should have the boldest, most pro-liberty

00:08:35.040 conservative government in all of the United States of America. But we've got a handful of

00:08:40.420 rhinos that are still colluding with Democrats to keep large parts of our agenda from advancing.

00:08:45.480 So we've got a lot of work ahead of us.

00:08:47.560 Brian, when you used the phrase broke quorum, I just want folks to go back.

00:08:50.640 That was when you can't make this up, particularly now the Supreme Court said, hey, it's all fine.

00:08:56.240 Remember, when I say broke quorum, it was a jailbreak.

00:08:59.700 They went to Illinois.

00:09:01.220 They got in buses.

00:09:02.660 They got in cars.

00:09:04.320 They actually left.

00:09:05.440 Remember, it was the theater of the absurd.

00:09:07.740 You and I are sitting there going, this can't be real.

00:09:09.920 And every night, Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes on MSNBC, they're interviewing them with their knitted brows.

00:09:16.080 These guys are hiding out in Chicago.

00:09:19.360 And finally, finally, you forced them because you mocked and ridiculed them every day.

00:09:24.100 They finally came back to Texas.

00:09:26.120 Did they even lose a parking spot, sir?

00:09:30.200 No, you're right.

00:09:31.300 First of all, it was a bad kabuki theater.

00:09:34.700 It was a jailbreak.

00:09:35.420 They broke quorum.

00:09:36.120 But it's only because the Republican speaker let them break quorum.

00:09:40.000 When we had them all on the chamber, on the floor, and had a quorum and had the maps,

00:09:42.880 he could have kept them there.

00:09:43.700 He chose to release them to, as you say, flee to hide.

00:09:46.660 In Illinois, they hid behind, you know, Governor Pritzker.

00:09:49.460 And I got to give them that there's a lot of room to hide behind Governor Pritzker,

00:09:52.260 so I guess I get that.

00:09:53.200 But yes, they finally got back, okay, because we mocked them

00:09:56.380 and we exposed the fact that the shenanigans were happening.

00:09:59.740 But no, if Texas House had real Republican leadership,

00:10:02.600 those Democrats would have been punished for their dereliction of duty.

00:10:06.400 And we basically gave them a three-week platform to dominate the national media

00:10:11.680 and gin up the initiatives out in California.

00:10:14.720 So, no, they have not so much as lost their committee chairmanships.

00:10:18.540 Democrats chair committees down here still have their chairmanships.

00:10:20.980 They've got their vice chairmanships.

00:10:22.760 They have not been stripped of their committee assignments.

00:10:25.360 They've not had their seniority take.

00:10:26.780 And as you mentioned, they have not so much as had their parking spots taken.

00:10:30.320 But hang on, it gets worse.

00:10:31.280 This just happened last week.

00:10:32.320 note media didn't cover this the texas house leadership finally had a hearing on how to punish

00:10:36.980 the democrats number one they put james tallarico on the committee to determine how to punish the

00:10:42.000 democrats and number two the only thing the committee did was vote to lower the fake fines

00:10:48.260 that they're never going to pay anyway so yes the texas house finally a year later took action and

00:10:51.820 the action was to lower the fines that the democrats were never going to pay anyway so

00:10:56.760 yeah you have to laugh about it otherwise you're going to cry but yeah the texas house is corrupt

00:11:00.800 Democrats still control the Texas House, and if we're not for patriotic, freedom-loving Texans and Americans just like the posse and folks who watch this network, guys, I don't know that we would have had this success, and I'm very grateful that we, despite the challenges, that we do have a victory to celebrate.

00:11:14.660 Why has the Republican establishment gone out of its way to make Tallarico a thing?

00:11:20.920 I mean, right now, I take you would concur that, let's say, General Paxton in this very hard runoff is going to beat corner and at least leads him right now.

00:11:30.360 he will face Tallarico. But Tallarico is a creation not simply of the left-wing media.

00:11:36.340 He's really started with it being a creation of the Republican establishment. How does that happen?

00:11:41.720 No, I think it's one of the most misunderstood and the most scandalous aspects of the James

00:11:48.460 Tallarico story. He's not a creation just of the liberal media. He didn't just rise through the

00:11:53.740 ranks organically just from within the Democratic Party. No, what's shocking, I mean, I can't say

00:11:58.440 this 10 times. You got to get your heads around this, guys. James Tallarico was aided in his

00:12:03.380 rise to national prominence by the fake liberal rhino sellout leadership of the Texas House,

00:12:09.080 because James Tallarico, I'm not making this up, was a core part of the coalition that helped

00:12:14.280 elect and voted for our Republican speaker. And that in exchange for getting his power

00:12:20.040 from James Tallarico's caucus, the Republican leadership of the Texas House repaid James

00:12:26.280 Tallarico. They platformed him. They gave him prominence, put him literally in House leadership.

00:12:31.540 He's in House leadership right now today. I have demanded that our fake Republican speakers strip

00:12:36.240 him of his leadership positions, but those calls have gone unanswered. So as we talk today,

00:12:41.380 James Tallarico is in the leadership, multiple leadership positions in the Republican-dominated

00:12:46.920 Texas House. And I would argue if it were not for the fake Republican rhino leadership of the Texas

00:12:52.020 House, James Tallarico would never have had a platform from which to assume the Democrat nomination 0.89

00:12:58.140 for the United States Senate from the great state of Texas. It's one of the, as I said before,

00:13:03.240 it's one of the most misunderstood, most non-reported, but I think singularly the most

00:13:08.840 scandalous aspect of the James Tallarico story. And this leads, with all the money he's raising

00:13:14.440 now with the left-wing media, it's going to be, end up, Paxson will beat him, but it's going to

00:13:21.280 have to put our shoulders to the wheel. Last thing, I get Jeff Reier on the grassroots leader

00:13:27.400 of the GOP. He's the chairman of the GOP in the Commonwealth of Virginia. They argued today at

00:13:32.080 their Supreme Court. What guidance would you give him? You know, they had this, the grassroots had

00:13:38.040 no support last week. They came very close to winning this thing. They are hunkered down to do

00:13:44.600 every legal challenge they have to. But for someone that's gone through it, what would you

00:13:49.680 recommend to our compadres in the commonwealth of virginia well it's very disappointing it was a

00:13:54.980 setback there's no two ways around that and the clock is not on their is not on their side it's

00:13:59.200 not i would say they it's our side us the freedom loving conservatives who wanted those congressional

00:14:03.080 seats and what i would just say is if there are any uh avenues available to you you know substantive

00:14:09.260 procedural legal you know litigations whatever tools you have that are permissible under your

00:14:15.460 under the state and federal constitution the only guardrails you should have is it constitutional

00:14:19.420 under the federal constitution and is it constitutional under your state constitution

00:14:22.960 up there in the commonwealth if you have those are the only limiting factors okay if you can stay

00:14:26.840 within those two guardrails which are pretty wide pursue every possible tool avenue plan of attack

00:14:34.380 that you possibly can between here and there if you have options for delaying um you know the

00:14:38.920 selection process you know pursue that don't let that stop because i can promise you um the other

00:14:43.720 side never lets anything get between them and their plans and their attempts to take over and

00:14:49.980 further socialize this country at a state level all the way up to the federal level. So yeah,

00:14:55.240 it happened. It was a defeat. Pick your head up, dust off the plans, go back to the whiteboard.

00:15:00.340 What are your times? What's your timeline between here and there? How can you push that timeline

00:15:03.540 back? And then what options may be available to you, whether you've considered them or not before?

00:15:07.780 It's irrelevant. If you can do it and it's constitutional, put your foot on the gas and

00:15:12.740 push as hard as you possibly can. The future of our country literally hangs in the balance and

00:15:17.680 what they do up there in fighting against this may be the determining factor for whether or not

00:15:22.720 the United States Congress falls into the hands of the radical Marxist progressive Democrats that

00:15:26.360 are hell bent on destroying our country. So if you've got a tool, go for it. Brian Harrison,

00:15:31.960 you have the most hated social media feed in Austin, in the great state of Texas. Where do

00:15:38.540 people go that's right go um go to brian e harrison on x people always ask how do we fix

00:15:44.740 texas well the first step is just exposing the corruption the best way to do that's on social

00:15:49.620 media brian e harrison on x go right now stop what you're doing take five seconds go to at brian

00:15:54.800 e harrison on x like follow share do your civic duty if you want to do just one thing today to

00:16:01.020 piss off a rhino go like and follow and share my x account at brian e harrison and if you're one of

00:16:06.900 the patriots, if you're one of the posse that called into the Capitol last year to help put

00:16:11.340 pressure on getting these congressional maps done, a final thank you. God bless you. Great partnership

00:16:17.380 because we got it done. And I don't think we could have done it without the grassroots. So

00:16:20.180 thank you. God bless you to every one of you who played a role in that. Thank you, sir. Appreciate

00:16:24.440 you. You bet. Brian Harrison, a giant. We had some pretty dark days in that fight, folks. And people

00:16:33.060 never gave up this one's this one's for you you guys were amazing in texas uh in the commonwealth

00:16:39.660 jeff ryer first off your assessment of how it went this morning uh but you know we we have gotten

00:16:46.520 some very good reports we had patty on here this morning she was quite enthusiastic from the

00:16:52.840 arguments and she's a constitutional lawyer but what is your take as chairman of the uh

00:16:57.580 chairman of the GOP? Well, in talking to other attorneys during the course of the day,

00:17:04.360 their take was similar to Patty's. First of all, it was very heartening to see that

00:17:11.360 based on the questions, the justices had fully read the briefs and that they understood what

00:17:18.620 our case was. And frankly, that the Democratic side, and I think Patty may be right, that might

00:17:24.300 have been an Elias associate, that the Democratic side did not have very good answers. They had

00:17:33.180 a lot of excuses. They had some justifications. But when it came to questions of constitutionality

00:17:40.740 or following the law or following proper legislative procedure, I would say they came

00:17:45.900 up short. Now, that being said, we can't be certain about the outcome of this. But nevertheless,

00:17:53.360 pretty encouraged today.

00:17:58.640 Taking Brian Harrison, they just went to the Supreme Court.

00:18:02.280 What is the process? I don't need to say, hey, you think the odds are this that you'll win at

00:18:06.700 the Supreme Court. But what is the process from here? We just wait for the Supreme Court to rule?

00:18:13.700 Well, there's actually three cases outstanding. The Supreme Court heard the first one today,

00:18:18.280 and this is one that was originally rolled on by Judge Hurley back in either late January or early

00:18:25.280 February. It was, and this is McDougall versus Scott. This is the first of three different cases

00:18:32.320 that are coming forward. This one has to do with the constitutionality of how the General Assembly

00:18:41.840 actually passed this and whether or not there was an intervening election, whether they followed

00:18:47.400 the Virginia law concerning the posting of the amendment and whether, in fact, the special

00:18:53.400 session was properly in session. All legitimate concerns and constitutional questions and also

00:19:02.460 questions of the law. So that was this case. The second case, which would have been highlighted

00:19:08.240 very heavily last week on your program, the day after the election, Judge Hurley again issued

00:19:15.360 an injunction against the State Board of Election from certifying this based on not just these

00:19:22.460 issues, but also the misleading nature of the language that was used on the ballot.

00:19:29.540 He had a more comprehensive ruling after the election in joining the State Board from certifying

00:19:36.000 it. And then there's a third case that's out there that we just got a ruling from Circuit Court

00:19:41.200 against us, which is being appealed to the state Supreme Court. And that's on the nature of the

00:19:45.860 maps that the Democrats approved and whether or not they violate the Virginia Constitution

00:19:51.400 and its requirement for compactness of districts. War Room posse members who saw the lobster

00:19:57.300 district on your program would probably question whether it met any compactness standard.

00:20:02.440 oh no it's ridiculous so there's others to be uh there's others to be uh adjudicated here what

00:20:11.240 about brian is there a way to go to the supreme court are there any other methods because the

00:20:15.540 guys in texas had to use everything available to them and finally today we got the supreme court

00:20:20.780 to weigh in and said it's fine those are the maps will be used in this midterm election is there

00:20:25.260 anything else that you guys are working on that we should know about yeah we have to use every

00:20:30.140 everything we've got at this point. So far, our attorneys have not been able to determine

00:20:34.160 a quick or possible federal angle, but I know that that's been a focus as well,

00:20:41.520 and it is going to depend on, I imagine, on what happens at the state level. So far, though,

00:20:47.180 everything is being fought out in the state court because the Democrats have been pretty clever in

00:20:51.980 not trying to challenge any issues concerning the United States Constitution, but we have

00:20:59.540 we have attorneys for a reason, and we are going to do everything imaginable to move forward. And

00:21:06.000 the attorneys, as Patty mentioned on your program this morning, are coming courtesy of the Republican

00:21:10.240 National Committee. No, it's amazing. Jeff, of course, the boardroom's got your back. We know

00:21:17.060 you guys are slogging through this. I think it's great. I think you guys did because of the fight

00:21:21.100 you put up motivated. I think it's one of the reasons that Santa said, heck with it. We're

00:21:25.320 going 24-4. And I know the folks down in Texas are just ecstatic. So you got the whole eyes of

00:21:30.920 the country, not just watching you, but have your back. Where'd they go? Where's your social

00:21:35.040 media and where'd they go to find out more about this great fight, this epic fight of the

00:21:39.260 grassroots down in the Commonwealth? For our social media, and we are keeping track of people

00:21:44.020 who are saying things online concerning the case, et cetera, it's capital D, capital A,

00:21:48.380 underscore capital G capital O capital P on X and you'll see it right there and boy are we

00:21:55.520 filling it up lately uh including uh with a lot of clips from war room because war room posse has

00:22:00.280 been uh uh has been really kind of the uh the impetus and the backbone for uh for what we've

00:22:06.160 done so far uh our regular uh site is virginia.gop and we have uh not given up on our uh stop rig

00:22:13.560 maps effort. We're now looking at trying to continue to raise money to help defray costs

00:22:20.620 of attorneys, but we feel pretty good about where we are right now. You guys are fighting hard. Jeff,

00:22:26.740 thank you for taking time away today. Join us. Thank you very much. The redistricting wars

00:22:31.340 from the Supreme Court to the Commonwealth. Commonwealth argued today in the state Supreme

00:22:36.220 Court. The United States Supreme Court ruled that the maps in Texas are fine. They'll be used

00:22:40.840 this midterm. And of course, Ron DeSantis put out a map that's, I think, kind of breathtaking.

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00:23:45.840 What a day today.

00:23:47.260 Press briefing at the White House.

00:23:49.500 Arraignment over in federal court.

00:23:52.040 The king of England drops by and sees the president.

00:23:55.620 Give me your closing thoughts, sir.

00:23:56.800 yeah the king and uh his queen carmella they've left for the british embassy where they're going

00:24:05.760 to host a tea party for about 700 people the king left probably about 45 minutes ago and he was

00:24:12.960 given he had tea with the first couple they were given a tour of the new rose garden with those

00:24:19.120 new beehives steve uh that are built as sort of replicas of the white house and so like you were

00:24:24.860 saying before not casual very formal but just sort of light schedule tomorrow's a big schedule

00:24:31.940 because the king is going to of course address capitol hill tomorrow joint session of congress

00:24:36.960 and then of course the state dinner with the president tomorrow night steve okay so we got

00:24:42.680 a joint session at congress this is all approximately three o'clock and there's going to be a state

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00:31:31.480 Hey, folks. I'm Matt Boyle, the Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart News.

00:31:36.520 So I run U.S. politics coverage at Breitbart.

00:31:38.740 First off, I'm learning some Greek on my third trip here to Greek, so Kallisfera, which from

00:31:47.180 what I understand is good afternoon.

00:31:49.400 So we're excited to have this conversation.

00:31:52.920 This is my third trip to Greece.

00:31:54.920 I was here for the Delphi Economic Forum last year, and Mr. Simeon Simokos, who's incredible,

00:32:02.740 the host here of the Delphi Economic Forum, was excited to get me back.

00:32:08.540 And so, really, really exciting stuff happening around the world, and Greece is at the forefront

00:32:13.440 of a lot of it.

00:32:14.720 So we have, I believe, on the video link here, my old boss, former executive chairman at

00:32:22.400 Breitbart News, currently hosts The War Room, which is one of the biggest podcasts in the

00:32:26.640 United States in live television shows.

00:32:29.980 I'm a frequent guest on his program.

00:32:31.920 I've actually been on his show multiple times here from Greece, including yesterday.

00:32:37.340 And he obviously also famously ran President Trump's campaign in 2016 in the final months

00:32:42.820 and helped make sure that President Trump was in the White House.

00:32:46.660 So what we want to do is really do a deep discussion about where President Trump is taking the world.

00:32:53.320 So President Trump obviously is taking some very, very big swings around the world, no doubt about that.

00:33:01.660 So I think we've, do we have Steve on the line?

00:33:04.420 So we want to bring him in.

00:33:05.280 Steve Bannon, host of Warram, former executive chair of Breitbart News,

00:33:10.500 former CEO of the Trump campaign in 2016, and the host of Warram.

00:33:14.540 So, sir, thanks for joining us here at the Delphi Economic Forum.

00:33:18.940 Matt, thank you so much for having me and, obviously, the forum for having me.

00:33:23.860 And the 250th anniversary and the commemoration of our freedom as a Republican, a democracy.

00:33:30.580 It's great to kick off this celebratory season by actually addressing the Delphi Economic Forum.

00:33:38.440 It's just fantastic to go back to the heart of American democracy that was founded really from our ancestors,

00:33:46.300 our Greek ancestors that gave so much and really was a foundational element of Western civilization.

00:33:51.160 So thank you.

00:33:52.420 I might add also, Matt, for the audience, that you're the only individual in the world

00:33:58.100 that you were mentored by Andrew Breitbart, Tucker Carlson, and Stephen K. Bannon and lived to tell

00:34:04.640 about it. So you're a unique individual. That is very true. That is very true. And I worked for

00:34:09.800 Steve for many years. And Steve is a very tough boss, we'll put it that way. But very fair, too.

00:34:17.260 I learned an enormous amount from Steve. So Steve, one of the big things that I think we're seeing

00:34:23.400 in President Trump's second term here is, let's put it this way, President Trump is not afraid to

00:34:29.120 take some very big swings to execute the vision that he envisions worldwide to set the United

00:34:38.200 States up. Look, we're celebrating our 250th anniversary as a nation this year, upcoming on

00:34:44.280 July 4th of our great country. But the fact is, is that the big question that we're facing is,

00:34:51.780 Do we have another 250?

00:34:53.000 And I think the president is trying to set us up for that.

00:34:55.820 What are your thoughts?

00:34:56.860 Just very big, broad picture about where the president is going with, you know, whether

00:35:02.580 it's trade, geopolitics, our military actions to build out the United States from here?

00:35:09.620 Well, I think the essence of this is you've got to go back to the years in the wilderness

00:35:15.640 when the 2020 election was stolen and President Trump went back to Mar-a-Lago.

00:35:19.420 I mean, those four years, Matt, as you know, because you're very close to the president, is a time of reflection and study and thinking about his first term and how it was started in trying to do the geopolitical realignment that he wanted to have.

00:35:35.560 And I think that's why the first year of this administration, we kind of flooded the zone with so many different economic policies, so many different geopolitical policies that it came from those four years of working with these different think tanks that have been set up around the MAGA movement.

00:35:54.220 But I believe that you can see whether it's trade, whether it's national security, everything

00:36:01.380 centered around this populist nationalist vision that President Trump has of how it's

00:36:06.800 best to govern, and particularly how best to govern the United States.

00:36:11.180 And I think that if you look at his trade policies, his economic policies, everything

00:36:14.840 was predicated upon bringing manufacturing back to the United States, focused on the

00:36:22.120 American working man and woman in high-value-added jobs and to make the United States a manufacturing

00:36:27.820 hegemon, which we were, you know, in the post-World War II era.

00:36:32.960 Geopolitically, also, I think you see this massive shift to what I call hemispheric defense,

00:36:39.400 and that hemispheric defense is not simply a fortress America, but I think much more

00:36:44.620 sophisticated, a naval strategy that really talks about choke points throughout the world,

00:36:49.520 free navigation of the oceans and and based upon uh a integrated military and economic strategy

00:36:56.720 for the entire western hemisphere which goes all the way through the central pacific uh to the uh

00:37:02.560 to the three island chains uh in the in asia and i think president trump is is pretty far down the

00:37:08.560 path of doing this and this is you can see in his budget the 1.5 trillion dollar uh defense budget

00:37:15.120 he's put forward how he's looking to change the access of uh of the american national security

00:37:22.560 you can see this here in the last couple days with these these memorandums of understanding

00:37:27.280 that he signed with indonesia talking about the malacca straits what he's talking about

00:37:31.520 uh in in monaco with uh with uh the mediterranean gibraltar what he's talking about with

00:37:37.920 uh this emphasis on the panama canal or greenland the greenland iceland uk gap

00:37:42.960 discussing the Arctic as the new great game of the 21st century.

00:37:49.180 So consistently, I think it's about bringing manufacturing jobs 0.95

00:37:53.160 back to the United States predicated upon working men and women in this country

00:37:58.300 and geopolitically to look at a focus of what's in America's interest,

00:38:05.120 America's first interest, and particularly American citizens' interest.

00:38:08.360 Yeah, so, Steve, now, one of the reasons why I think this Delphi Economic Forum event has been such a success is last year when I was here, it was right in the immediate aftermath of Liberation Day, which Liberation Day was the major tariffs that President Trump announced on the whole world, and the whole world was freaking out about it.

00:38:28.880 And at the time, there was one world leader who actually defended the president on this.

00:38:34.440 It's the prime minister here in Greece.

00:38:35.940 It was Kiriakos Mitsotakis in an interview with me.

00:38:39.220 And we published that interview right before the Delphi Economic Forum last year, last April.

00:38:45.300 And then right after the interview came out, President Trump weighed in on it and praised the prime minister and came out.

00:38:53.180 And the gist of the Prime Minister's argument was everybody in the world needs to stop freaking

00:38:58.120 out about this.

00:38:59.120 It's all going to work itself out.

00:39:00.680 We're going to get the trade deals between the EU and the United States.

00:39:03.760 It's going to be a win-win trade deal for everybody.

00:39:05.500 Well, we have a trade deal with the EU now.

00:39:07.920 We have trade deals with Japan, with Korea, with, you mentioned Indonesia, I believe we

00:39:13.420 have one with them.

00:39:14.540 We have one with Vietnam. 0.98

00:39:15.540 We have one with the United Kingdom, et cetera, et cetera.

00:39:17.600 I think north of 90% of world GDP after India just joined has now made trade deals with

00:39:23.680 President Trump here in the second term.

00:39:25.960 So, Steve, can you lay out for us, because I remember when we were talking about the

00:39:30.740 Belt and Road Initiative and we were first learning all about it over the last decade

00:39:34.500 or so, especially back in President Trump's first term, and I remember sitting there with

00:39:38.500 you in Washington, I think this was right after you left the White House, and you drew

00:39:43.660 a map for me around the Pacific Rim and you started showing what the Chinese are doing

00:39:49.400 through the Belt and Road Initiative and they were drawing lines across the map into the Eurasian

00:39:54.960 landmass, into Africa, etc. And it feels like for the first time ever we have an American president

00:40:01.460 that is implementing an offensive strategy back against them rather than just trying to thwart

00:40:09.520 them in playing defense around the world. That's a great way to say it. These are two

00:40:18.720 radically different ideas. President Trump about trade is based on reciprocity. I think the reason

00:40:25.480 that your interview was so powerful last year, because the prime minister really got it,

00:40:31.200 is that President Trump's trade policies, what we call Liberation Day, was based upon

00:40:36.320 trade deals in a trading relationship was based upon tariffs and trade arrangements that are

00:40:43.600 reciprocal to trading nations. And those are done at an arm's length level, and you figure it out,

00:40:49.300 and I think you're correct, outside the Chinese Communist Party, which may be done as early as

00:40:54.460 mid-May when President Trump makes the trip to Beijing. I think you're correct. I think we

00:40:58.900 either have deals or at least in terms agreed and memorandums of understanding

00:41:03.960 with most of the big trading partners, whether it's EU, Japan, South Korea, India, et cetera.

00:41:10.840 And it's based upon reciprocity.

00:41:13.340 The trading partners actually get to be able to work and protect the industries that they have.

00:41:19.860 And I think this is why it's been so successful.

00:41:23.020 It's also, I believe, why the Supreme Court, this ruling of the Supreme Court,

00:41:27.660 left a kind of a backdoor way that President Trump can still put this together,

00:41:31.380 because I don't believe there's a lot of economic disagreement, particularly in the United States,

00:41:38.340 with trying to return us to become a manufacturing hegemon again, which will benefit the world.

00:41:43.600 And so I think the key there is reciprocity.

00:41:45.840 The Chinese Communist Party is the exact opposite.

00:41:48.260 The Chinese Communist Party, the One Belt, One Road initiative,

00:41:51.140 is really just taking the model of the British East India Company of predatory capitalism

00:41:56.540 and just putting it in reverse.

00:41:58.060 And I believe that this is why there's been so many unfinished projects, why there's such discontent, whether that's in South Asia, sub-Saharan Africa, in Pakistan, and various places where the Chinese Communist Party are not looking for reciprocity.

00:42:13.120 They're looking for the exact opposite.

00:42:15.040 They're looking for elite capture.

00:42:16.880 And they do that through a predatory form of capitalism that, quite frankly, the British East India Company and the British perfected in the height of colonialism.

00:42:24.840 President Trump is anti-colonialism.

00:42:27.720 He wants nations of the earth to be able to work with each other in a basis that's based on reciprocal interest, and this is why he's a nationalist.

00:42:38.100 When people put their nation's interests first, the community of countries throughout the world work together.

00:42:43.980 And this is the basis of his trade policy.

00:42:46.000 It's the basis of his national security policy, if you look at it.

00:42:48.820 The Chinese Communist Party is the exact opposite. 0.62

00:42:50.860 It's predatory capitalism.

00:42:52.400 It's already been a huge failure. 0.99

00:42:53.740 It's been a huge failure for the Chinese people. 0.91

00:42:55.580 It's drained resources.

00:42:56.440 You have dozens and dozens of unfinished projects throughout South Asia and Africa.

00:43:04.080 You have a lot of discontent now with people in those countries as they understand the elites were basically bought and paid for by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:43:12.200 It's really a reversion to 18th century and 19th century colonialism.

00:43:17.540 And that's why I think it's not going to work.

00:43:19.120 And it hasn't worked to date, and it's not going to work.

00:43:21.580 And I think President Trump's set of the structure, his framework for his trade policies and how nations work with each other is really the template for the future.

00:43:31.180 Yeah. So now, Steve, so we're seeing a major focus right now on, of course, the Strait of Hormuz because of the ongoing hostilities in Iran, the war that's happening there.

00:43:42.600 Obviously, President Trump late last night came out and announced an indefinite suspension, extension of the ceasefire that was reached two weeks ago.

00:43:53.380 We'll see where the talks go from here.

00:43:55.920 I'm not entirely certain.

00:43:57.660 But the fact is, is that the discussion on seaways and trade and shipping, I think, is really important.

00:44:04.000 By the way, one of the things I've picked up on here over my several trips to Greece over the last year

00:44:10.780 has been that 25% of the world's LNG moves on Greek ships.

00:44:15.840 So the Greeks are innately aware of this fact.

00:44:20.080 So can you talk to us a little bit about where this goes with regard to seaways and sea lanes?

00:44:25.280 Because one of the things I would argue is that, yes, we're focused on the Strait of Hormuz right now,

00:44:29.960 But the real future fight is over the Taiwan Strait, the South China Sea.

00:44:35.380 And more broadly, you mentioned the Panama Canal.

00:44:38.320 Obviously, we have big disagreements between us and China over who's going to get to control the ports on either end of that.

00:44:46.160 But talk to us about the seaways and the trade and how that factors into this 21st century fight.

00:44:53.300 Well, one of the predicates, I think, of President Trump,

00:44:55.700 this gets back to trade and economic policy

00:44:57.780 and the community of nations looking after their interests.

00:45:01.080 Remember, it's ironic you're there in Greece right now

00:45:04.640 because Greece is a superpower when it comes to free navigation.

00:45:09.000 It comes to basically the logistics of the world.

00:45:11.620 We tend to think in a world of artificial intelligence

00:45:15.040 and all this advanced 21st century technology

00:45:19.420 that the basic fundamentals and foundations of how you move material goods throughout the world

00:45:25.980 is something that's antiquated. Nothing can be further from the truth. Actually, logistics and

00:45:30.560 supply chains are at the forefront right now of modern economics, both macro and micro. And the

00:45:37.760 Greeks are a superpower in that regard. And I think no audience appreciates the issue of free

00:45:43.520 navigation, particularly given some of the straits that are very near Greece itself and

00:45:49.760 have been fought over for millennia.

00:45:52.940 President Trump is very much a student of military history.

00:45:56.180 He's very much a student of naval history.

00:45:59.520 Samuel Elliot Morrison, we've talked many times about victory at sea, and President

00:46:04.160 Trump studied that.

00:46:05.160 I would say President Trump has a very Mahanian, based off Admiral Mahan's study of the world

00:46:12.340 of the choke points.

00:46:13.340 see this, you can see this in basically his economic policy, whether it's the South China

00:46:17.360 Sea, the Straits of Taiwan, the Straits of Malacca, Diego Garcia. This is why Diego Garcia

00:46:23.500 became such a big issue here recently. You know, Matt, as you remember, I have a personal kind of

00:46:31.240 expertise in this area. I was a naval officer for the first eight years of my professional life in

00:46:37.800 my early 20s, all the way to almost I was 30 before I went to Harvard. I was in the Pacific

00:46:42.160 fleet. In fact, we deployed during the Iranian hostage crisis up to the Strait of Hormuz,

00:46:48.100 which I've sailed through before an American combatant. My kid brother was a Navy helicopter

00:46:53.100 pilot on a frigate during the tanker wars in, I think it was 86 and 87, where we had to keep

00:46:58.740 free navigation of the Strait of Hormuz following the brutal World War I-type conflict between Iraq

00:47:04.860 and Iran. So President Trump, whether it's the Red Sea and the Suez Canal, whether it's the

00:47:11.460 Panama Canal or Gulf of America, the Caribbean, particularly Greenland. If you look around some

00:47:17.540 of these supposedly controversies of what President Trump's been doing, it's all predicated upon a

00:47:22.740 naval strategy. This is why I think for the audience it's so important. I believe the way

00:47:27.240 that he looks at the world now when you talk about hemispheric defense is McKinder's old theory about

00:47:32.360 the heartland. You can control the world by controlling the heartland of Eurasia. And that

00:47:37.920 was what World War II was about, some what Napoleon was about. President Trump has a very

00:47:43.060 different thought of that, that the Central Pacific is actually the pivot for the security

00:47:46.920 of the United States and for the economic abundance of the United States. But I think

00:47:51.580 you're seeing right now daily played out the Strait of Hormuz and, which I think is even more

00:47:57.480 important, the Gulf of Oman in the North Arabian Sea, where two or three carrier battle groups

00:48:03.300 right now are blockading the entire Persian Gulf and making sure what goes in is approved by the

00:48:09.160 by the Americans and what goes out is approved by the Americans also and I would just tell people

00:48:14.100 I think that this is going to be the biggest area of conflict right I think space and the oceans are 0.97

00:48:20.080 going to be the two biggest areas of conflict in the coming decades and so I think Greece is very 1.00

00:48:25.320 well situated in this having been you know such seafarers but the Greeks are going to be a critical

00:48:32.520 part of this, particularly in the logistics chains going forward, which I think a lot

00:48:36.580 of the fights are going to be about.

00:48:38.040 Yeah, and so speaking of which, Steve, to kind of bring this in for a landing and where

00:48:41.960 we're going here, I think moving forward, is we've seen all this discussion.

00:48:47.180 Of course, President Trump has been very critical of NATO.

00:48:50.720 In many respects, frankly, I mean, he's not wrong in that NATO already won the war 35

00:48:58.300 five years ago that it was built to win in that the Soviet Union broke up in 1991 the Berlin Wall

00:49:06.300 came down that's what NATO was formed to fight but the fact of the matter is he's been critical

00:49:10.820 of NATO countries saying that they need to go to five percent but it's worth noting by the way

00:49:14.840 our friends here in Greece went to five percent without us even having to ask right like so

00:49:19.420 that's one of the reasons why I think Greece is you know making some big moves is that they they

00:49:24.580 went there without any pressure, but we've seen now with the Iran conflict over the last

00:49:29.540 six weeks or so, Steve, is that the French and the British, they were nowhere to be found.

00:49:35.300 They were going to send stuff over after we already won, right? After we already wiped 1.00

00:49:39.180 out the Iranian military structure. After their navy was no more, then they were sending 1.00

00:49:45.020 ships. But the fact of the matter is, is that, again, getting back at that critical question

00:49:50.320 about the focus of NATO,

00:49:53.000 NATO was built to win the Cold War

00:49:55.440 and defeat the Soviet Union.

00:49:56.700 Do we need a new 21st century NATO

00:49:59.400 that maybe we roll existing NATO into it,

00:50:03.620 but the United States is at the forefront of it,

00:50:05.820 and we bring in our Pacific partners

00:50:08.140 like places like Japan and Australia

00:50:10.460 and New Zealand and Taiwan, etc.,

00:50:15.460 to be able to confront the challenges

00:50:16.960 of the Chinese Communist Party moving forward?

00:50:20.320 I think this conflict in Iran and the Persian Gulf is going to be what I call a forcing function.

00:50:26.760 I think that just like when you talk about NATO, really from World War I to World War II, 0.74

00:50:32.600 this was about American involvement back into the European theater.

00:50:35.820 It gets back to this theory about Mackinder and about control of the Eurasian landmass.

00:50:40.800 The Cold War was definitely that, kind of the third time.

00:50:43.800 I believe today you have to question that.

00:50:46.040 You have to particularly question that when you put American national security interests first.

00:50:50.320 uh is that the most is that in the vital national security interests of the united states this was

00:50:55.360 the whole debate over ukraine and the in the russian-speaking eastern border of ukraine and

00:51:00.160 of course populists like myself and nationalists like myself were very critical of ukraine we

00:51:05.280 didn't want any involvement because we thought that dragged us back into this theory of the case

00:51:10.640 that was maybe relevant in the uh in the uh 20th 19th and 20th century but certainly not relevant

00:51:15.920 today. The one issue with, and no one I think knows better than the Greeks of the horrors of 0.91

00:51:22.480 World War II, I believe the countries in Europe have to do a gut check about allocation of

00:51:28.120 resources. And because when this war, however it's taken, whatever is the outcome of the Iranian

00:51:35.340 conflict, there's no doubt to me that things like Straits of Hormuz, the protection of the North

00:51:41.660 Arabian Sea, and particularly the entrance to the Red Sea and the Suez Canal, of which

00:51:47.560 Europe is absolutely predicated upon.

00:51:50.100 That is going to have to be patrolled.

00:51:52.440 That's going to, a big part of that security is going to have to come from the European

00:51:56.020 nations.

00:51:56.520 And you see that, and the Greeks know this, with the, the Royal Navy was able to send,

00:52:01.200 when Cyprus was under attack, was able to send just one British destroyer that immediately

00:52:06.440 had to pull into port and go through technical, you know, upgrades and kind of a mini refit

00:52:13.080 because of mechanical problems.

00:52:14.960 The Royal Navy, the French Navy, the Italian Navy, the countries of Europe are going to

00:52:19.580 have to realize that the future is about logistics, the future is about supply chains, and if

00:52:25.500 they're a major, if they want to be a major world power, they're going to have to participate.

00:52:29.660 We haven't seen that today.

00:52:31.160 In fact, it's been the exact opposite.

00:52:32.680 American carrier battle groups have essentially, since spring of 2025, have really kept the sea lanes open, particularly in the Red Sea and the Suez Canal against the Houthis, who are pretty determined and have a pretty good chokehold down there in that Gulf of Aden where you really come into the Red Sea.

00:52:52.340 So I think going forward, it's going to be a real gut check.

00:52:55.240 I believe that the alliances you see formed out of Iran with South Korea, with Japan,

00:53:00.640 with some of the maritime nations of the Pacific is going to be the new formation for alliances going forward.

00:53:07.360 But in alliances going forward, people should understand the United States of America is not prepared to underwrite

00:53:12.680 what the defense industry and really the globalists in the United States had us underwrite in NATO since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

00:53:20.760 It's really been obscene, and that won't happen again.

00:53:24.720 We're under tremendous financial pressure.

00:53:27.260 It's a $1.5 trillion defense budget.

00:53:30.220 President Trump has put forward, Matt, and as you know, we're going to have a huge fight on Capitol Hill to get that approved.

00:53:35.760 So I think people ought to just follow this very closely and see the alliances that come out of it.

00:53:40.320 Yeah, no, definitely.

00:53:41.260 And Steve's not wrong.

00:53:41.980 It's going to be a big fight over the defense budget on Capitol Hill.

00:53:44.320 I've had talks with administration officials.

00:53:46.020 Steve, we're out of time here, so I've got to leave it there.

00:53:47.960 So I really want to thank you for taking the time to do this,

00:53:49.880 and I look forward to watching War Room later.

00:53:51.840 So thank you, sir.

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