Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 999： As Gen Z Rediscovers “Supernatural” Christianity, “Pope” Leo Promises More “Justice And Equality”

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to

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00:00:28.820 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.720 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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00:00:44.800 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:00:54.640 Wednesday, 29th of April, Anno Domini, 2026.

00:01:00.640 Good evening.

00:01:01.620 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.

00:01:05.220 Frank Walker out on assignment this week in the field.

00:01:10.220 So that gives us the luxury to delve into some of these things in a little more detail.

00:01:15.860 Jenny Holland, regular guest.

00:01:19.200 Jenny, you flagged up something here, which I thought was absolutely fascinating.

00:01:24.640 uh let's play it first and then we'll talk about it because i think it sets up everything we're

00:01:31.260 going to be discussing over the course of the next hour in a funny sort of way let's go for it

00:01:36.740 now i think people assume i'll go church because it's a nice wholesome sunday activity but mate

00:01:43.420 i'll go because i think it's actually true like going church isn't a hobby i ain't going because

00:01:48.700 i like the vibes or i think the music's nice i go because i genuinely believe something supernatural

00:01:53.640 will happen in history. Jesus was a real man. He was executed publicly. That's not debated. That's

00:01:58.680 history. Then suddenly a group of his terrified followers started going around telling everyone

00:02:02.980 they've seen him alive again. Not like spiritually felt him. They didn't see him in the dark.

00:02:08.140 They literally spoke with him. They ate with him. They shook his hand. They went, oh,

00:02:11.220 call your back, big man. And you got to ask what happened, man, because people don't just go and

00:02:15.260 get tortured and killed for something that they don't even believe to be true. But that's what

00:02:19.320 his follow was done so yeah i ain't just going church because it's nice my bed's nice i'll stay

00:02:24.120 there on a sunday morning do you know what i mean i'll go because if it's real then it changes

00:02:27.720 everything i ain't going church because it will turn me into a good person or it's just a nice

00:02:31.140 thing to do on a sunday it's literally about whether it's true or not i think someone's been

00:02:39.580 reading some c.s lewis um okay so first thing to remark on that kind of personal cut to um okay

00:02:50.560 social media didn't really exist what 15 years ago but had it existed that kind of personal

00:02:57.220 monologue would have been unthinkable i think sort of 15 years ago from a guy in that age

00:03:03.460 bracket just wouldn't be done and now it's happening all the time that will tee up something

00:03:07.760 We're going to discuss about the revival a little later on in the show.

00:03:12.640 But before that, Jen, I'm very grateful for you finding that

00:03:16.140 and for you flagging that up.

00:03:19.140 I mean, look, I converted, what, 25 or so years ago.

00:03:23.800 I started going to church seriously, the Church of England, 30 years ago.

00:03:27.960 I think as a convert, therefore, right at the stage of conversion,

00:03:34.060 We go through that stage of suddenly realizing for the first time, seriously, if you're outside of practicing Christianity, it's conversion.

00:03:44.940 I think the word reversion is certainly in Catholic sphere.

00:03:49.680 If you were baptized, say, First Communion, what have you, and then you drop out from church practice and come back to it, say, late teens, early 20s, that's called reversion.

00:04:00.160 can take place even after that as opposed to conversion reverts they are colloquially but

00:04:06.680 most people will pass through the stage of it's essential actually uh of passing that stage of

00:04:13.060 suddenly realize well hang hang hang on here christianity isn't simply a cultural affinity

00:04:18.920 and it's not even essentially a cultural affinity though it is that as well it's a set of supernatural

00:04:26.760 truth claims, which are actually true. And that's at its heart. And I know in the things that we're

00:04:34.460 going to talk about throughout the course of this hour, there's a question as to how much the

00:04:43.280 institutional church is, the institutional Catholic church, the institutional Protestant

00:04:49.060 and churches as well how how well they're doing in transmitting that reality um because as far as

00:04:58.880 i'm aware they're not doing they're not even trying certainly in the catholic church they're

00:05:04.240 sort of what the bishops cardinals popes are going on kicking people in the back of the knees if

00:05:11.100 they're trying to make that journey and say basically saying no no no no we don't want any

00:05:15.220 supernatural belief that's crazy stuff we want the so we want the social activism right none of your

00:05:20.220 crazy mystical nonsense um and yet the conversion process the reversion process jenny holland

00:05:31.260 it's taking place anyway whether the institutional church is wanted or not probably in despite of the

00:05:37.160 fact that they don't want it it's taking place on social media with with young guys like this

00:05:42.520 speaking very frankly word perfect as to what he was saying absolutely word perfect tell me why

00:05:49.080 um so that was my takeaway after watching that i was particularly impressed why did you um flag

00:05:54.780 it up for the war room then well first of all it it fits into a lot of the other stories we've

00:06:03.580 covered here over the last year or so young man um very secular seeming you know wouldn't fit

00:06:11.440 the stereotype of a Christian that you and I would have grown up with in the very sort of

00:06:17.020 secular Gen X youth that we had. But a lot of the videos we've watched and a lot of the numbers

00:06:26.060 we've looked at over the months, I had sort of had a thought that a lot of this, and of course,

00:06:33.160 we've talked about the overt, the extreme secularization, the extreme liberalism,

00:06:37.900 the extreme promiscuity, the extreme materialism that is the norm now being very demoralizing and

00:06:47.240 empty for young people. And that was driving them into faith. But also, I always sort of thought

00:06:52.900 that, you know, why they're going to Catholicism in particular was an element of aesthetics. And

00:06:59.500 there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not, I don't mean that as a criticism. I understand that very

00:07:03.280 much um the catholic church does have the best best aesthetics but um actually this uh little

00:07:12.040 instagram reel suggests that it's something far deeper and that is the supernatural element and

00:07:19.120 of all of the elements when there's two the i think the two big the two most difficult elements

00:07:24.560 of uh sort of true catholicism as opposed to what the pope might be saying god forgive me for saying

00:07:29.780 such a thing, me a non-catechized atheist, there's two elements that are very difficult

00:07:36.280 for the modern mind, let's say, to wrap its head around. One is the church's teaching on

00:07:42.100 sexuality and sexual behavior, and the other is the supernatural. These are very, very big

00:07:49.800 obstacles, I think, for a lot of people, I would say myself included, to overcome, because it takes

00:07:56.140 a lot to leap from the material world is what we see, and it's all atoms, and everything's

00:08:03.400 explainable, and that's how we were taught, and that's just the end of the story. Believe the

00:08:08.860 science, that kind of thing. It's hard to jump from that to Christ rose from the dead three days

00:08:15.500 after being crucified and was ascended into heaven, and Mary was also assumed into heaven

00:08:22.460 bodily and all of these and all the miracles that the church over the millennia has really

00:08:30.920 cultivated. That's a very big leap to make. I personally find that a hard leap to make. And

00:08:36.940 when I'm thinking about this, which I do a lot, I think about this a lot. I sort of wonder, do I

00:08:42.020 really have what it takes to say that I fully believe that in my bones? Now, the fact that

00:08:48.360 this young man and, you know, from his accent and his manner, he is not a, you know, he's just a

00:08:54.820 normal guy, right? He's just a normal young man living in England or from England to know where

00:09:00.480 he lives. And he is seeing this in a very clear way that is, I think, reminiscent. I mean, I don't

00:09:08.580 want to overstate it, but I think this is reminiscent to, you know, what monks and abbots

00:09:13.760 and true holy people knew in their bones to be true, you know, in centuries past.

00:09:22.360 I think that's really, really remarkable, given his presentation, given how he's coded,

00:09:28.360 as the young people say.

00:09:30.640 This is really striking to me.

00:09:33.640 And then I saw that a few days ago.

00:09:35.900 And then this morning, I happened upon a very interesting lecture, which I think we'll come

00:09:39.720 to in a moment, about how the supernatural element of the church has driven converts

00:09:47.280 into the Catholic church in the past as well. So this is actually a hearkening back to an

00:09:55.880 ongoing characteristic and process in Catholicism, and I think that's very heartening.

00:10:01.420 first thing before we move on to that um i cannot endorse what you've just said enough

00:10:10.920 jenny it was perfect um for for our largely american audience largely evangelical audience

00:10:18.220 i don't think they've had the issue which you're describing and you described it extremely well

00:10:25.520 that that kind of guy i say that kind of young guy 20 years old um the normalcy if you will um

00:10:34.060 you would not have found that really i don't think in that age group younger than that and

00:10:41.340 older than that for sure um but in that age group itself you really wouldn't have found

00:10:46.680 um that kind of thing very very thin on the ground um 20 30 years ago and it is remarkable

00:10:53.560 uh what's happening it really is remarkable if you just told me 30 years ago i wouldn't

00:10:59.660 have believed that yeah i mean for him to state it so categorically and so um matter-of-factly

00:11:07.540 and with some pride there's very big implications to that so this is just one person i don't know

00:11:13.860 who he is personally i follow him on instagram but that's it um the implications of what he's

00:11:19.580 saying are very profound because for him, that means that that pure belief is a type of commitment

00:11:28.600 and I'd say even submission or, you know, fealty or obedience to the idea of God himself. And that

00:11:37.540 implies in the individual believer, a large level of sacrifice and a large level of reordering your

00:11:46.460 life so that it works in accordance with that belief that's why this this video is even more

00:11:54.260 striking than the new york you know greenwich village church videos which i i again they're

00:11:59.120 great i love to see them but this guy really hones in on the thorniest part of belief and

00:12:07.560 conversion in a secular modern era um i don't want to break up what you're saying

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00:12:22.420 we'll we'll continue this um because i know you've got some some clips to talk through which expand

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00:14:07.220 Okay, so Jenny Holland, by the way,

00:14:09.100 you mentioned geographically where that guy was from i'm gonna make a stab at at east london um

00:14:15.660 so go on um you were perusing a talk

00:14:19.320 hosted by um the iona institute over there on the emerald isle um talk us through the couple of

00:14:30.880 clips that you pulled out to illustrate this point that you're making yeah so it was at a

00:14:37.580 at a conference, I think last week in Dublin, I believe, like you say, organized by the Iona

00:14:43.780 Institute, which is a Catholic think tank, I suppose, in Ireland and South Ireland.

00:14:49.800 And Melanie McDonough, who is a journalist, columnist, historian, author, was talking about

00:14:56.440 her book called Converts, which came out late last year, I believe. And I haven't actually read the

00:15:01.500 I only heard of it for the first time this morning, but she was presenting an article about how the 1890s movement of decadence, they were called the decadence, were really captivated by Catholicism and large numbers of them converted.

00:15:26.740 Now, by decadence, by members of this sort of movement, this was an aesthetic movement that, you know, valorized beauty above all things and included people like Oscar Wilde and his longtime on-off lover, Lord Alfred Douglas, both of whom converted to Catholicism.

00:15:46.000 You know, this was very arresting to me.

00:15:50.320 I've always been interested in the story of these two men anyway.

00:15:54.280 But she went on into detail about the sort of society around them at the time, starting in the 1890s, which was sort of the apex of Victorian, secular, scientific, worshipping, industrialized society.

00:16:10.580 Now, I think we suffer from presentism a lot, meaning we think we're in an unprecedented time.

00:16:16.380 And, you know, in some ways we are. But this this this lecture she gave really shows that there's nothing new under the sun.

00:16:24.500 And the late Victorians in the late 19th century were living in a similar atmosphere of sort of hyper materialism, secularism and lack of sort of magic and faith.

00:16:43.320 And that the people like Oscar Wilde, who she says in this lecture converted to Catholicism on his deathbed, really rejected that.

00:16:52.980 And I just think it's very interesting how this particular era, which we now think of as very conservative and very kind of stodgy and old fashioned, was actually at the time very modern.

00:17:06.480 um uh the the catholicism the appeal of catholicism continued throughout the early 20th

00:17:14.820 century in england and wales in fact the guardian reports in a review of her book that um half a

00:17:22.060 million people converted to catholicism in england and wales um between 1910 and 1960 i believe

00:17:28.800 and many of them were leading intellectuals um the great war world war one had a big effect on

00:17:36.340 this, and again, parallels to today in that post that disastrous, cataclysmic, catastrophic war

00:17:45.420 that slaughtered so many millions of young men in the prime of their life, young people post-World

00:17:53.860 War I were extremely alienated and embittered at the elder generations that had brought about this

00:18:01.040 catastrophe that they had really suffered from. The old men didn't fight. The old policymakers 0.98

00:18:07.100 didn't fight. And again, that's a very strong parallel to today. Thankfully, it's not actual

00:18:12.380 kinetic war, but we could say economic war, certainly, on the young of today. And that

00:18:18.000 alienation drove poets and novelists into Catholicism, looking, again, not for ascetics,

00:18:25.140 but looking for continuity and something solid to find refuge in,

00:18:31.500 in a world that was full of tumult and disaster.

00:18:36.020 She mentions also the Russian Revolution being a real kind of psychic break

00:18:41.020 for some of these people, and finding refuge in that tradition.

00:18:47.180 So do you want to explain the first extract that we'll play?

00:18:53.200 Yes. So she here is talking about Evelyn Waugh, the famous writer, and she says that she's quoting him, essentially.

00:19:05.560 And I'll just let her read out the quote, but she's quoting Evelyn Waugh in case it's not clear from the little intro.

00:19:11.140 Waugh wrote about his motivation, which he said had nothing to do with any of the usual reasons that were reduced.

00:19:17.140 he felt that in the present phase of European history

00:19:20.420 the essential issue is no longer between Catholicism on one side

00:19:23.920 and Protestantism on the other

00:19:25.640 but between Christianity and chaos

00:19:27.700 it is no longer possible as it was in the time of Gibbon

00:19:30.980 to accept the benefits of civilisation

00:19:33.160 and at the same time deny the supernatural basis

00:19:36.760 upon which it rests

00:19:38.180 Christianity is essential to civilisation

00:19:41.120 and Christianity exists in its most complete and vital form

00:19:45.980 in the Roman Catholic Church.

00:19:50.600 Incredible, right?

00:19:52.420 It's absolutely incredible.

00:19:54.020 I mean, how many times have we said something similar?

00:19:57.080 And so that, when she said that word supernatural,

00:20:00.380 when she quotes Waugh as referring to the supernatural element

00:20:03.940 as the foundation of the system of belief,

00:20:07.600 my mind went back to the reel that I saw a few days earlier

00:20:10.760 and I thought, ah, bingo, this is an interesting

00:20:14.300 parallel there's something almost let's say providential about the fact that these two

00:20:19.620 things crossed my my my screens um within days of each other you know it's sort of like more

00:20:26.060 things change more things stay the same um now again you know well i said i think he said that

00:20:32.020 i think he converted in 1930 it the full the full background is in the video um but you know we're

00:20:38.580 talking about the period between the two great wars we're talking about a period of intense

00:20:43.640 um uh modernization um and secularization and a collapse of empire and a collapse of um

00:20:52.260 of of almost everything you know these these these wars were so destructive um and you know

00:21:00.140 the creme de la creme of english um literature was turning away from that secularization and

00:21:08.120 away from that sort of metallic, brutal modernization

00:21:14.320 towards the supernatural.

00:21:17.020 And it seems that this is happening again.

00:21:22.100 Let's go to the second extract,

00:21:24.800 because I want to tie this in now with where we are today

00:21:28.260 and why I think it's such a betrayal.

00:21:31.560 Now, for Green, one of the critical things about the church

00:21:35.380 was the supernatural aspect.

00:21:37.580 Nowadays, people tend to be embarrassed or shy

00:21:40.580 about the supernatural element of religion.

00:21:44.620 That is to say, the idea of the god-man who dies on a tree

00:21:47.860 and then rises again,

00:21:49.160 the idea of the devil roaming through the earth like a lion.

00:21:52.380 All of these things are part of Catholic doctrine, 0.74

00:21:55.100 and for Graham Greene, there was something to be embraced

00:21:57.500 and not something to be got round or to be evaded.

00:22:03.260 And it's worth pointing out, of course, they're both evil in war.

00:22:06.100 who Americans might be more familiar with, as the author of Bride's Head revisited, right?

00:22:12.320 But also Graham Greene, both Catholic converts themselves.

00:22:17.600 OK, so here you are going to tie all this together.

00:22:21.100 We're going to have a quick word now, or at least look at what Pope Leo said

00:22:27.620 in his press conference flying back from Africa.

00:22:33.460 Ironically enough, no, I make my point.

00:22:35.500 let's go into this now right flying back and he gives this um press conference and he says

00:22:42.140 uh that the unity or division of the church should not revolve revolve around sexual matters

00:22:48.560 um i believe there are much greater and more important issues such as justice and equality

00:22:55.680 that would all take priority before that particular issue.

00:23:02.700 Now, there will be times, you know, we could do it now,

00:23:06.400 but we've got about three minutes before we have to move on.

00:23:09.160 So the Catholic Church has teachings on sexual morality

00:23:14.760 because it derives them directly from the New Testament.

00:23:17.220 You can either like that or not like it or support it or not support it

00:23:20.480 or be obedient to it or not obedient to it.

00:23:24.920 That's really the point of what we're talking about now.

00:23:27.900 But it is an emanation out of what Christ himself taught in the New Testament.

00:23:34.520 These issues, however, like social justice and equality and what have you, these are political positions.

00:23:43.480 They are secular political positions of the late 20th and early 21st century.

00:23:50.700 and there are prudential issues as well of which the church, you know, people of goodwill can choose their own path to get to the, to arrive at the common good.

00:24:03.940 After what you've been saying over the first half of the show, Jenny, it would seem to me that ditching what the church has been teaching for 2000 years

00:24:14.620 and substituting it for basically political opinions of the day

00:24:20.020 is not going to help people on their conversion path

00:24:25.480 if they're looking at Christianity as a supernatural belief structure.

00:24:32.340 The vouching of the credibility of that

00:24:35.000 is the unchangingness of those sets of beliefs over the last 2,000 years.

00:24:40.840 That's right. That's what you're saying, right?

00:24:42.460 that's right that's exactly right um yeah this that article was absolutely shocking ben i have

00:24:49.060 to say and again i am a secular person i have lived a secular life um i i don't feel i i have

00:24:58.740 a very modern outlook in all of these ways um but for the pope himself to say that the sexual

00:25:06.040 morality upon which the family is based should no longer be the focus of the institutional church

00:25:15.900 flies absolutely in the face of what these thinkers and what this young Instagrammer is

00:25:25.360 talking about, which is the belief is the core. The belief requires sacrifice of the believer,

00:25:34.560 and the sacrifice is for the greater good of the community.

00:25:39.780 Now, I, as a secular person, you know, I understand and I'm happy that people can live their lives in privacy as they see fit.

00:25:51.840 But what I don't like, even though I am still a secular person, is for you to pick and choose, to have your cake and eat it too.

00:25:59.580 If you are going to live in a sort of moral sense that is against traditional church teachings, don't call yourself a Catholic.

00:26:09.500 Don't ask for the blessing. You just live your life, commit to your lane.

00:26:13.580 OK, you know, you can't have it both ways. That's that's always been my instinct.

00:26:18.400 and your point here is because if you do that the incoherence between what you're proclaiming

00:26:26.060 uh to believe and the life that you're living is going to be an inhibition to these young guys who

00:26:33.220 are in their 20s sniffing out uh christianity for the first time you you know what the word

00:26:39.680 is that we call that the word the word that that that theology ascribes to that right

00:26:45.180 it's scandal it's it's it's scandal it's a scandal that is the true meaning of a scandal

00:26:51.980 it's putting an obstacle in others path towards faith folks don't go away we will be back in two

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00:32:11.760 sign up for free and be part of the movement welcome back jenny i was thinking early on today

00:32:18.780 considering that you are as far as i'm concerned one of the most insightful commentators in the

00:32:25.380 world right at the nexus of of all these things um of course coupled with with your own trajectory

00:32:34.060 um your philosophical religious trajectory on these issues and you're not remotely um i mean

00:32:39.680 And I'm quite happy to be for people to say, Han, well, you're just a trad.

00:32:43.540 You're a conservative, radical conservative, radical trad.

00:32:47.220 That's not a descriptive that would be applied to you.

00:32:53.960 Not yet, Jenny, not yet.

00:32:55.940 I was thinking, but because you're such an insightful commentator on the growth,

00:33:03.620 where Generation Z is at the moment, I thought of a new nickname for you, Gen Z.

00:33:09.680 that's so funny i'll take it i'll take it then it just it just came to me like that okay so um

00:33:17.420 we're going now to to discuss well um can i just say one thing about the about the leo remarks that

00:33:24.440 there's an other element to this that make it even more shocking and more deeply deeply unwise

00:33:29.960 um the culture which i suppose leo is not aware of pope leo is not aware of the culture is

00:33:37.380 absolutely saturated in excessive, I would say, extreme promiscuity. Now, that is not to say that

00:33:44.620 it's being acted upon necessarily by all young people, but in terms of the content that is

00:33:51.100 delivered to them on their phones, via social media, and via porn websites, it is an incessant,

00:33:58.680 steady flow of, I mean, really dark debauchery, honestly. And what young people need, and what

00:34:08.440 not just young people, to be honest, I think we could all use this in terms of the culture that

00:34:13.360 we live in and that we consume. We all need a break from sexual behavior in terms of the public

00:34:22.020 sphere. And for him to come out and say, oh, no, no, no, this is not really a matter that we should

00:34:27.180 concern ourselves with is the exact and precise opposite of the message that he needs to be

00:34:33.900 sending out to these young men and women who are profoundly, many, many of whom are profoundly

00:34:41.240 traumatized by seeing porn from very young ages. I'm talking elementary school age, okay? So if

00:34:49.180 he wanted to make a statement on sexual behavior, he should have been making a statement on that

00:34:54.960 and how children need to be protected at all costs from the sort of perversions of adults,

00:35:03.640 which is unfortunately no longer the norm, whether you're talking about radicalized teachers

00:35:10.960 or just the very easy availability of very dark content that all children are now exposed to.

00:35:20.180 all right we're going to squash the other two stories that we're going to hit today a little

00:35:25.680 bit to make space for this it's such an important thing like you know um i think one of the greatest

00:35:31.340 tragedies um is the tragedy of missed opportunities right uh because it's it's it's avoidable is it

00:35:41.280 it's a there are unnecessary tragedies this guy who um uh robert pervost who's probably better

00:35:49.040 known by his stage name, Pope Leo.

00:35:51.640 He was, correct me if I'm wrong, he was,

00:35:54.780 okay, I'm being facetious, well, I'm not being facetious,

00:35:57.680 but he was, before he was brought up into the Episcopal ranks in Peru,

00:36:06.140 where I think he started his ecclesiastical career,

00:36:09.260 he spent most of his life there in Latin America

00:36:12.340 as the provincial head guy of the Augustinians.

00:36:19.040 He was then called to Rome as the superior, the general.

00:36:25.420 I don't know what they call them in the Augustinians,

00:36:28.380 one of the four historic mendicant orders of the Catholic Church.

00:36:36.160 Not supposedly.

00:36:38.400 The Augustinians are supposed to have as their charism the thought and teaching of,

00:36:43.280 to my mind, the greatest philosopher and theologian in the history of the Catholic Church.

00:36:49.040 Not Thomas Aquinas, but St. Augustine himself. And there is nothing in his thought or in his declarations that would indicate any familiarity with St. Augustine whatsoever.

00:37:03.040 And I'll make the same criticism of Joseph Ratzinger, better known by his stage name, Pope Benedict XVI.

00:37:13.400 I'll make the same criticism of Rowan Williams, the former archlayman of Canterbury.

00:37:19.340 All three of them publicly propelled themselves in the public sphere as great, not exponents, as greatly inspired by the writings of St. Augustine.

00:37:33.580 In none of them did you detect anything, even a person.

00:37:37.280 And here's the point I want to make, and this is why what you're saying is so important on the practical basis.

00:37:43.440 St. Augustine, I think, contributed in the history of Christian thought, really the idea that what we desire will form the soul.

00:37:55.740 I think his word was disfigured.

00:37:58.800 What we desire, if it is not of God, if it's not God himself, will ultimately disfigure the soul.

00:38:07.480 And that's the problem, not just with porn, but with all the distractions and temptations in modern life.

00:38:14.880 They distract us from God and they configure us to their distorted, reductive element of the human soul.

00:38:28.040 I'm amazed that he could be so blasé over this.

00:38:32.120 the sexual impulse is probably the strongest impulse that human beings have to wrestle with

00:38:38.760 if you're not aware of that and you're not sufficiently armed spiritually or in prayer

00:38:44.620 against that those temptations will end up controlling you and that's not it if you are

00:38:49.700 controlled by your own desires you're not freed you're not liberated you're enslaved and this

00:38:57.580 It's like St. Augustine 101.

00:39:00.000 Yeah.

00:39:00.420 And this goes ahead of the Augustinian order.

00:39:03.740 I mean, I've only read a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny bit of St. Augustine,

00:39:07.760 so I feel like maybe I shouldn't even be mentioning this,

00:39:10.400 but, you know, he came up with the most brilliant line

00:39:13.700 I think anyone has ever said, which is,

00:39:15.700 make me chaste, but not yet.

00:39:17.760 But not yet.

00:39:18.300 Am I right?

00:39:19.300 I mean, that sums up, that absolutely perfectly sums up

00:39:23.340 the human condition.

00:39:24.220 That is that is the most true, the truest thing that I've ever heard said in my entire life. He was also a man who had a child out of wedlock. He was a very imperfect person. So I think I think this speaks to your point.

00:39:36.660 And he was a searcher. He was searching for belief, and he eventually did find it, and he eventually left this incredible patrimony.

00:39:46.280 But the distance between those sort of, for lack of a better word, sort of soldiers, maybe spelled S-O-U-L, jurors, and the institutional elites is, it couldn't be vaster.

00:40:05.780 And I think because the people you just mentioned, the popes and the Archbishop of Canterbury, former, they are in service to an institution, an institutional process, rather than this kernel of truth, which is the supernatural element, which that young man that we heard from at the very beginning was more wise to, more attached to than it seems.

00:40:35.780 claims Pope Leo himself, because if Pope Leo is issuing bureaucratic edicts, these sort of

00:40:42.000 anodyne, banal platitudes about, oh, well, we should all just be nice to each other. I mean,

00:40:49.420 that is not the point. That is not where we're at. That is not where the young people are at.

00:40:54.480 They need refuge from a materialist, atheistic hellscape. And listen, listen, I grew up a liberal.

00:41:01.460 I remain in many ways a liberal, but you cannot deny, I cannot deny that the liberal worldview has failed to ward off against rampant immorality, and that has come at a huge consequence to our use.

00:41:20.180 If we could dial back, which we can't, if we could dial back and tweak the secular order so that we could head off these disasters of porn consumption and, you know, childlessness and poor mental health in young people, all of these are outcomes from the secular worldview, then, yeah, we would.

00:41:42.080 But, you know, if my if my grandmother had wheels should be a bicycle like it's not it doesn't happen.

00:41:46.860 I think what the last 20 years have shown since the advent of the iPhone, it's shown that the liberal worldview could not withstand the onslaught of sort of extreme modernity and extreme liberalism.

00:42:03.260 And that is why people are turning back to the old rock, the tradition of the Catholic faith in the traditional sense, not the modern. Yes.

00:42:16.500 The liberal experiment failed fundamentally because it goes back to the Enlightenment. 0.78

00:42:21.960 And it was an attempt to arrive at, I think, Christian values without the Christianity through the exercise of reason.

00:42:33.260 And I think that the failure of that, which is the failure of liberalism that you're describing, is the lesson to learn it. 0.61

00:42:41.620 We, you know, half of me wants us to continue talking about this.

00:42:46.360 But give me two minutes and I'll do a quick shout out to our sponsors.

00:42:50.740 Give me two minutes about this poll that the Religious News Association is talking about.

00:42:59.260 It says that worship attendance in churches is up for the first time in decades.

00:43:04.800 And by my reckoning of their numbers, and I realize that this is sort of mid-COVID they're talking about,

00:43:10.440 there's pretty much a 65% increase from now compared to 2020.

00:43:16.880 Just give me 90 seconds on this, Jen.

00:43:19.440 Sure. I mean, interestingly, so this was something that Melanie McDonough mentioned in that lecture,

00:43:23.860 that after Vatican II, the increase in converts and Catholicism cratered and evaporated.

00:43:33.260 They went from, I think, 15,000 converts in 1960, I think I'm remembering the numbers right,

00:43:38.780 in 1971 to like 5,600 or something. And then they just kept plummeting until recently.

00:43:46.740 So again, what are we seeing here, Ben? We're seeing this sort of, as it's been called here

00:43:51.360 in the UK, re-enchantment, this idea of accepting the mystery of the faith yet again. And we also

00:43:59.680 see, at the same time, people returning to church. Now, I am surmising that those two things are

00:44:08.720 connected. In fact, I know in my heart that those two things are connected. But if you want to be

00:44:12.580 very circumspect, you could just notice that they're happening simultaneously. And this is

00:44:17.440 what we see every week, week in and week out, uh, church attendance in places like Greenwich

00:44:21.860 Village of all places, um, uh, is, you know, is crowded and enthusiastic and young people are

00:44:29.800 returning. Obviously there's still a minority because, you know, these things, it's, these are

00:44:34.740 the sapling as opposed to a fully fledged forest. Um, but these are all connected. These are all

00:44:42.000 connected. You can't have a moral system if you don't agree on the fundamentals. And that's what

00:44:49.660 happened when liberalism met communism, essentially. And post-1960s, we ceased to agree

00:44:57.560 on the fundamentals. Therefore, our moral system has completely broken down. And people are

00:45:03.400 returning to the most tried and true moral system of the West, and that is the Catholic Church.

00:45:12.000 um okay we're gonna be back with gen z holland in just 90 seconds after a quick shout out to our

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00:48:02.280 jenny we've got about three minutes left this is a beautiful story i i liked um and i just wanted

00:48:08.120 to chew chew it over here very quickly with you so and this ties a number of themes bizarrely um also

00:48:16.600 uh dear to you dublin well i know you're in northern ireland but dublin rome uh you grew

00:48:24.360 up in Italy. Here, the monk, the Venerable Bede, who wrote, considered to be the father

00:48:33.280 of English history, a monk sometime in the eighth century, wrote a poem that was apparently

00:48:44.940 from one of the cattle, an illiterate, composed by an illiterate cattle herder by a monastery

00:48:51.420 in the uk he wrote it into his text um and this is this poem this hymn to god a nine line hymn

00:49:00.120 that's what it is uh is the oldest poem in the english language that still exists goes back to

00:49:10.180 the um the 600s that is to say the 7th century and 13 1400 years old uh just tell us the bare

00:49:19.480 essentials of what these two researchers have discovered yeah so they discovered the old there's

00:49:27.440 a couple of other copies of this or texts of this poem in existence but i think this is the only one

00:49:33.680 that is in all in english and i'm assuming it's old english or anglo-saxon um and they actually

00:49:41.640 are researchers from trinity college dublin which is my alma mater so that's another connection

00:49:46.700 um to this story tangential though uh yeah so this is a lovely little story i am um very fond

00:49:56.000 of a good historical tale now my knowledge of bead is is scant i didn't study him in school

00:50:02.600 but this is this the the text of this being the transcription of a poem composed by as you said

00:50:13.460 an illiterate shepherd, was it, really gets to the heart of why Catholicism or Christianity

00:50:20.620 has such a powerful resonance with people all over the world because of its accessibility

00:50:27.280 to the humble and the meek and the overlooked and the powerless.

00:50:36.300 And I think this is just such a beautifully comforting and empowering element to Christianity that I personally think left-wing politics has tried to co-opt and invert to its own purposes, but it will never be able to withstand the sort of power that Christian messaging has because the left-wing politics are all built on lies and inhumanity.

00:51:06.300 so sorry i had to get it i had to get a dig in at the communist there that's fun you you always

00:51:15.020 have free shots at the commies uh on the warring right so this guy cadmon is his name because there

00:51:21.540 was an illiterate cattle herder couldn't read um uneducated and he came up with this poem the

00:51:27.200 the oldest extant poem in english language according to the venerable bead uh a divine

00:51:33.320 um apparition a divine revelation the guardian said reading it is like leaning against a cathedral

00:51:40.700 door preparing to go inside folks if i can get this in i'm going to read it to you now the nine

00:51:45.200 lines now we must praise to the skies the keeper of the heavenly kingdom the might of the measurer

00:51:52.600 all he has in mind the work of the father of glory of all manner of marvel our eternal master

00:52:00.240 the main mover it was he who first summed up on our behalf heaven as a roof the holy maker

00:52:07.760 then this middle earth the watcher over humankind our eternal master would later assign the precinct

00:52:15.480 of men the lord almighty jenny where do people go on social media to keep up with your superb

00:52:21.860 analysis uh you can find me on x at semper femina 21 you can find me on youtube at saving culture

00:52:30.200 from itself. And all my essays are on Substack at JennyEHolland.substack.com.

00:52:39.380 Folks, Jenny, God bless you. Thanks, Spencer at Real America's Voice. We'll be back at 10 a.m.

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Bannon's War Room - April 29, 2026

WarRoom Battleground EP 999： As Gen Z Rediscovers “Supernatural” Christianity, “Pope” Leo Promises More “Justice And Equality”

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