Based Camp - 1 In 4 Youth Antisemitic Now： This Is Not About Gaza

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be talking about

00:00:04.440 why everyone hates the jews again um and it's not it is not gaza actually the rate of jewish

00:00:11.520 hate has gone up significantly since the war in gaza ended right like so and i think that there

00:00:17.620 is a lot of mistake in in terms of how people are trying to diagnose where this is coming from

00:00:24.660 where it is either mistakenly put on the war in gaza where if you actually look downstream of

00:00:30.920 where we see it i'll bring a lot of receipts that that is not it or that it is put on historic

00:00:36.040 reasons and i also don't think it's happening for the reasons that jews were hated historically

00:00:40.740 i think that it is happening for new reasons and reasons that even get to me like even i will say

00:00:48.360 that over time my perception of the utility in standing jewish culture has dropped pretty

00:00:56.620 precipitously and i will explain why but first i just want to document how high it is and how much

00:01:03.620 it's shifting so i'm going to put a graph on screen here that shows explicit anti-semitism by age among

00:01:10.760 registered voters now if you look at people in their 80s you will see that this is hovering at around

00:01:17.160 five percent so very very low for older people if you look at people in their 20s from from it's

00:01:24.820 slightly higher among republicans and democrats but you're looking at between like 24 and like it looks

00:01:32.720 like 32 percent so and then on average well over 25 so over a quarter one in four people in the united

00:01:41.920 states now is anti-semitic young people yeah when it used to be at around five percent and this has

00:01:47.740 changed within like two generations so yes something that young people are reading and experiencing is

00:01:54.280 making them yeah if you look at anti-semitic incidents in the united states i'll put a graph here

00:02:00.820 which you'll see is they were fairly low up until about 2021 and then they start to go up and then they

00:02:07.680 shoot up in 2023 and then are higher still in 2024 if you look at there was another study here

00:02:14.980 holocaust denial or minimization nearly four in ten in the current gop 37 so this is in alignment with

00:02:21.900 the anti-semitism rates we saw there okay believe the holocaust was greatly exaggerated or did not happen

00:02:28.380 as historians describe younger men are especially likely to hold this view 54 of men under 50 39 of women

00:02:36.420 under 50 and this is of gop voters among men over 50 41 percent agree compared to 18 percent of women

00:02:43.780 over 50 racial divides are particularly striking and so what you can see is anybody who knows this

00:02:50.100 who are the most anti-semitic hispanic voters 77 of hispanic gop voters i actually wouldn't have

00:02:56.600 guessed that black voters 66 of black gop voters and it's fairly rare among white gop voters

00:03:02.840 only quote-unquote 30 so that's still about a third so this is obviously a real issue

00:03:09.860 yeah but what is it that young people are seeing that boomers aren't seeing that so profoundly

00:03:18.240 affects their views of jews yeah so i think what we're actually seeing here and i'll just drop right

00:03:25.520 to the point so one i'm going to be arguing later in this but i'll go into it in more detail

00:03:29.360 when we get to it that the reason why progressives have started hating the jews very intensely recently

00:03:35.380 is not the reason i thought historically just because jews were out competing other groups and

00:03:39.760 if your entire worldview is around equality and you believe that everyone is genetically identical and

00:03:43.900 just somebody's culture like you can't be like well if we're all genetically identical then some groups

00:03:48.440 must be doing worse because of their culture and then people are like that's victim blaming or

00:03:51.720 whatever you know they couldn't possibly have anything to do with this or that group's culture why

00:03:55.580 their children are you know not doing as well on tests and stuff and so if a group is doing better

00:04:00.260 people are going to say oh well that can be explained this is what i historically thought

00:04:04.460 oh it must be because they're cheating i'm actually going to argue that it's something different that's

00:04:08.880 leading to the current leftist anti-semitism but i want to talk about rightist anti-semitism

00:04:14.160 even my own internal calculation has sort of been changing recently

00:04:19.780 so first i'll get to the broad rightist anti-semitism and where it's coming from

00:04:23.940 okay and and why this doesn't work intergenerationally why you don't see it as

00:04:27.760 hitting older people basically everyone in our society around the 80s and the 90s agreed

00:04:34.360 that racism was bad like we just societally agreed racism is a bad thing we shouldn't be actively racist

00:04:43.240 right now woke people in the woke cultural movement took this right and they they then

00:04:51.760 warped it to be like well discrimination against any perceived group is bad i can self-define as a

00:04:57.400 minority discriminated group and because and then and then they abuse that this is where a lot of the

00:05:01.940 trans stuff came from this is where a lot of the etc etc etc came from during that period of

00:05:07.480 discrimination is bad happening a lot of jewish cultures and cultural groups basically learned

00:05:18.000 how to hack this to get their way right to shut down criticism by as we've seen people do and people

00:05:27.600 can be like well every group does this and i want to point out that no every group doesn't do this

00:05:31.940 we have multiple times on our videos so we did a video arguing that jews are not

00:05:37.460 genetically superior to other people not at all an anti-semitic take if anything it would be a

00:05:42.600 pro-jewish take because it's arguing that jews are out competing other people in terms of like

00:05:47.100 income and politically predominantly due to cultural advantages which is better than just having a

00:05:52.880 genetic advantage because then that would just be blatantly unfair and i could see why other groups

00:05:56.740 would be like oh we don't want them competing amongst us if that's the case but i put that video

00:06:00.520 out there and i literally had people reach out to me saying that it was anti-semitic like i can't

00:06:04.280 believe you did this etc i had the video saying that we should stop paying military aid to israel

00:06:09.660 something we we've been giving it we we literally like if you look at america right

00:06:14.440 we freed the jews america freed the jews from near complete eradication during the holocaust

00:06:21.320 um that's something in the holocaust actually happened and we sent paid for economic helping

00:06:28.600 hands for a long time up until like the last five years and a huge military helping hand for for a

00:06:34.740 long long time period right to just say hey we should stop giving them aid now you know they're a

00:06:40.320 developed economy at this point and they're not actively in a war is not an anti-semitic thing to

00:06:45.940 say yeah like we've we've helped out and that's great and now we we've helped the help isn't

00:06:53.340 definitely anyone would do this if anyone who's a long time fan of the show knows that we are two

00:07:01.220 catholics whatever nick fuentes is to jews like and i don't mean this by that what i mean is nick

00:07:06.160 fuentes doesn't actually seem to individually hate jewish people he seems to sort of hate the religion

00:07:13.000 more broadly and what he sees that is standing for whereas with us like we like catholics individually

00:07:18.300 but i think that the vatican and i've said this on shows is a core enemy of the united states our way

00:07:24.280 of life our long-term objectives they have stated this pretty explicitly and i think that the vatican

00:07:30.520 in their form of catholicism i mean like the heads of the castle face is incompatible with long-term

00:07:34.780 human thriving like this is a stance that is as antagonistic to catholics as anything nick

00:07:40.360 fuentes has ever said about jews and yet never once and i want to be clear about this to jews who are

00:07:47.120 like well you know you can't control what every jew does or something like this there are dramatically

00:07:51.860 more just in terms of numbers catholics who watch the shows and jews never once has one of them

00:07:58.860 reached out to us saying that oh you went too far with this or you went too far with this or how dare

00:08:04.460 you say this that means that you just hate catholics they will question us with with facts they'll say

00:08:11.960 you know well actually if you look at thomas aquinas on this or you look at augustus of hippo on this

00:08:17.100 they actually said this this and this or they actually said this and this or the early church

00:08:21.540 actually thought this about you know when life began that is not calling us that's saying you

00:08:26.600 made a factual mistake right like or or this is a philosophical argument against you that's not a

00:08:32.500 how dare you say this about catholics and again you can't say well you know the catholics have never

00:08:38.180 been mass murdered my actual ancestors have mass murdered catholics right like catholics have been

00:08:44.460 mass murdered in extremely brutal ways and in ways that were now note they were equivalent to how

00:08:51.540 brutal jews were murdered in previous pogroms but the holocaust was actually speaking if you look at

00:08:57.240 the the brutality displayed not quite at the level of you know mass live burnings and stuff like that

00:09:03.660 it was it was horrifying don't get me wrong but what i'm saying is is castlets went through a lot in

00:09:09.080 various periods as well so like to say oh well they're just not afraid of of this happening and

00:09:14.440 this isn't about driving individuals who might be your allies away it's actually about how it heightens

00:09:21.140 the message so i'll explain what i mean about this nick fuentes goes on piers morgan or he goes on

00:09:28.020 tucker carlson and the first few questions that i didn't want to talk about are about jews in his

00:09:33.840 perception of jews and so he has an opportunity to go on a whatever long rant exposing people who may

00:09:42.480 never have actually heard anti-semitic arguments to long-form anti-semitic arguments we regularly go

00:09:51.140 on interviews right not a single interviewer ever has asked us about our anti-catholic opinions

00:09:58.360 you know the interviewer that recently went viral with us that was a telemundo reporter like

00:10:04.180 interviewing us for predominantly catholic populations all around latin america right

00:10:09.800 never came up just completely irrelevant to her now i want you to think about how this was a really

00:10:18.900 advantageous way to react culturally in a historic context and a very disadvantageous way to react

00:10:25.160 culturally in a modern context right so in a historic context what would have happened and

00:10:31.220 this did happen historically is somebody like ben shapiro would say oh this person is saying stuff

00:10:38.040 that is anti-semitic or that you know in the early days like borders on anti-semitism in his mind when

00:10:43.160 early days was just like well we shouldn't be giving us real haters and so then he forwards that to

00:10:48.340 whatever media watchdog organizations and these people get removed from x platform or y platform

00:10:55.200 and because media was much more consolidated them and because media was i don't like this it's not

00:11:01.680 anti-semitic to say that jews are disproportionately in media we've done episodes where we actually track

00:11:07.140 just how disproportionately jews especially early hollywood so as a quick reminder jews make up two

00:11:13.420 percent of the u.s population but around and this is by a 1970s times magazine poll around 80 percent

00:11:20.580 of professional american comedians here if you're looking at founders of major studios warner bros

00:11:26.520 founded by polish jewish immigrants mgm founded by russian jewish paramount pictures hungarian jewish

00:11:34.700 universal pictures german jewish immigrant columbia pictures the con brothers jewish 20th century fox

00:11:43.360 hungarian jewish united artists not primarily jewish founded but acquired by mgm which was jewish

00:11:51.740 founded in fact the only major studio i'm aware of that was not jewish founded was disney but disney

00:11:56.960 is currently run by bob eiger who was born jewish in terms of actors estimates range from 30 to 50

00:12:04.120 percent of screenwriters are jewish and informal guesses put it at 20 of studio executive producers and

00:12:10.160 agents is jewish for producers specifically a 2015 analyst of best picture auction oscar nominees found

00:12:16.800 that eight out of 28 around 29 are jewish contrast that again with around two percent of the general

00:12:22.840 population and especially certain categories of media like comedy and stuff like that are disproportionately

00:12:28.280 controlled by by jewish groups meaning that they can put pressure on their parent organization actors

00:12:33.480 as well saying oh i won't appear in this or i won't appear in this if you have x person in the movie

00:12:39.020 we saw this recently with the red scare girls losing a part in a major thing for having nick fuentes in

00:12:44.380 on an interview right this system of control was actually very advantageous to prevent negative views

00:12:51.020 of jews from being normalized in a historic context like it was an advantageous cultural reaction

00:12:56.780 the problem being is it has the exact opposite effect now and i would point out that this being pushed

00:13:03.980 to more skeptical positions is something that you see not just with us being incredibly

00:13:10.700 phileo-semitic but with people like charlie kirk who like us was incredibly pro-jewish where you know

00:13:19.500 we have on record him saying just lost another huge jewish donor two million a year because i won't cancel

00:13:26.220 tucker jewish donors play into all the stereotypes i cannot and will not be bullied like this and i think

00:13:32.460 that they there's this miscommunication culturally where they think that by saying oh you're doing x

00:13:39.900 which is anti-semitic or you're doing y which is anti-semitic which will make us less likely to do

00:13:44.540 those things instead of more likely to do those things when those things are clearly not anti-semitic

00:13:50.940 um and this is just cultural misunderstanding of the new right and it's not unique to us and when i talk

00:13:57.260 about cultural misunderstanding it's like suppose you see somebody at a bar who's doing something that

00:14:02.140 you know you disapprove of and you walk up and you shove them now a person from one cultural

00:14:07.740 perspective is going to just be like okay i'm going to stop doing that whatever right just leave the bar

00:14:12.860 avoid confrontation but a person from another cultural perspective that's going to always lead

00:14:17.260 to an escalation and this claim of this is anti-semitic is going to almost always add to a cultural

00:14:25.500 escalation if you look at this from the perspective of american protestant culture or think about it another

00:14:30.620 way suppose somebody comes up to you and says you're being an a-hole and you're doing something

00:14:35.340 that you internally look and you're like you know what i was being an a-hole and then you know correct

00:14:39.100 your behavior but i think for a lot of people from many different cultures if you come up to them and

00:14:44.300 you say hey you're being an a-hole and they're not at all being an a-hole they're just trying to be

00:14:49.820 rational or just trying to be pragmatic about something the natural response for a lot of cultures is to be

00:14:55.820 like you know what like f you man and i think where this leads to sort of the anti-semitic spiral

00:15:00.620 we're seeing in our society right now is the person who has that's f f you man then the other person who

00:15:05.020 said oh you're being an a-hole in this case you're being anti-semitic they say that again and more

00:15:10.380 loudly because of this person who said hey f you man then the person is even more incensed and says hey

00:15:16.140 f you louder and so you have this cultural sort of spiral happen between two groups who are

00:15:21.820 misunderstanding each other where one group says by saying hey you're being an a-hole that's going

00:15:27.500 to lessen this behavior when in fact it's increasing the behavior and it's being said louder in response

00:15:33.660 to the thing that's increasing the behavior but you don't even need this kind of spiral to happen

00:15:39.020 for these you know focus on oh he said x thing that could be anti-semitic he said y thing that could

00:15:43.820 be anti-semitic for that to lead to an actual escalation of the airing of anti-semitism which is

00:15:51.180 it causes the people like say piers morgan who want to appear like want to make sure they know

00:15:57.660 okay i'm interviewing the guy who is in part in trouble for being anti-semitic and so i have to

00:16:04.700 challenge him or bring up his anti-semitism basically giving him a chance to air his

00:16:10.060 anti-semitism and the logic behind it um now consider us we're not going to do it like we'll

00:16:15.980 be interviewing soon we've got it on record which i'm very excited soon destiny's kid who has some

00:16:19.980 views around you know that that sort of stuff i think specifically around the h guy and i'm not

00:16:26.140 even going to be asking him any questions about it because i just find it uninteresting within the

00:16:29.260 modern media landscape right and i don't need to prove when somebody's like oh you had him on and

00:16:33.260 you didn't even ask him about x that's not what i'm interested in i'm more interested in being like

00:16:36.620 a counterculture 15 year old in the modern media ecosystem and intergenerational cultural transfer

00:16:41.820 and how he thinks about that given that you know it didn't transfer to him very effectively from

00:16:46.460 from his current right like i i find that to be the fascinating question there's a lot of interesting

00:16:50.220 questions i've had about yeah people know if we had nick on the show we'd just be asking him a bunch

00:16:53.580 of stuff about catholicism we'd be asking him very little about his views on jews but most people in the

00:16:58.700 old 80 boomer system that's the way they approach this and unfortunately it airs attitudes very very

00:17:05.580 frequently now one of the questions could be but during the period of discrimination why didn't the

00:17:12.140 catholic right like presumably they could have done this right like catholics were really discriminated

00:17:18.780 against in the united states for a long period in fact if you're talking about within america catholics

00:17:25.260 were significantly more discriminated against the jews to my knowledge recently when you're talking about

00:17:34.700 the more like like specific like gang violence targeting now admittedly the catholics have their

00:17:40.700 own gangs and that was part of it i think the catholics have more hate crimes than jews i'll look

00:17:45.820 this up in post unfortunately it looks like we just don't have data on this because most of the catholic

00:17:51.020 hate crimes were in the late 19th century or early 20th century while the tracking for hate crimes didn't

00:17:57.580 start until 1991 under the hate crime statistic act and after that point there was much more anti-jewish

00:18:04.060 hatred but the point being is that like you know no catholics allowed at this job and stuff like

00:18:09.100 that were really common during that period so the question is why didn't catholics ever i hadn't

00:18:15.020 thought about this until i was doing this why didn't they ever really in a cohesive format try to pull

00:18:20.940 the we are discriminated crowd you know what it was i'll tell you why it was because the catholics wanted

00:18:29.580 to be normal like the mormons do and so for a long time the catholics tried to act like they were just

00:18:36.220 another form of christian and they still do this today like they're just like a little bit different

00:18:42.060 than protestants not really that weird not really that distinct as a culture and it has led to their

00:18:47.420 culture bleeding members faster than groups like the jews but because of that they also didn't pull the

00:18:53.660 we're discriminated card in fact mormons also never really pulled the word discriminated card to a big

00:18:59.420 extent and they're another group that did that so okay yes that that's the pattern there it is their

00:19:05.340 cultural distinctiveness that led them to pull this card could this more broad i guess it can't because

00:19:13.500 islamic groups have claimed to be discriminated against but their culture is still one in which

00:19:18.540 they want to save everyone because i'm trying to think is is the pattern the difference between

00:19:24.700 religions and culture cultural groups that want to convert everyone versus those which prefer to

00:19:32.300 be distinct from mainstream society but that doesn't seem to be the delineating i don't think that's

00:19:37.420 it what i would say is that with is is is islam it hasn't been hit as hard by this as judaism has

00:19:45.100 because sort of the dam on saying negative things about islam broke during the last age of sort of

00:19:51.980 public media so it really broke was i'd say the the rise of the atheist revolution basically you had

00:19:59.340 the atheist revolution happen the new atheist everything like that then you had like the

00:20:03.660 counter-atheist skeptic movement and the this was like the where it went in terms of online culture

00:20:08.700 the anti-feminist atheist movement and that movement was generally extremely anti-islam

00:20:14.860 and they sort of normalized at least within the right you know if you say like i say that it is wrong

00:20:22.220 that you know muslims go around the graphing children or something like that you know let's

00:20:27.900 just say marrying nine-year-olds right like this is common in some muslim countries we pointed this

00:20:33.180 out in previous episodes it's so much so that in pakistan there was a religious council that said a

00:20:38.220 law banning it was islamophobic right so you know this is mainstream was in some islamic communities and

00:20:44.860 you say that and people now are just like but yeah that's kind of true and we shouldn't be

00:20:50.140 standing that now you'll get the far progressives and everything but you sort of have two media

00:20:53.500 ecosystems that wasn't true was like questioning anything about the jewish identity until very

00:20:59.260 recently even questioning something like should we be giving you know continued support to israel x many

00:21:06.380 years later is something that he can was labeled even fairly recently as anti-semitic um the other

00:21:16.140 thing that i think the jewish culture hugely doesn't like realize and i really don't know how to address

00:21:23.820 this because this sort of needs to be addressed from an intracultural perspective and and again here

00:21:28.220 no this is not me saying like i don't particularly feel super strongly one way or the other when i

00:21:33.900 did used to feel much more strongly pro-judaism and one of the things that's changed for me is i think

00:21:38.780 a lot of jewish people heard why i was pro-jewish and they fundamentally were not listening to what i was

00:21:45.820 saying like they they saw the words they could structure them together but i think they believed it was like

00:21:52.380 not what i was saying or like a whiter fondness for judaism in the same way that i think that many

00:21:57.180 people who are just like broadly anti-semitic or the nick fuentes tips might not hear what we're saying

00:22:02.540 when we say why we actually want we're pro-jew pro-jew for a few reasons jews are going to do well in the

00:22:10.780 future right like look at their fertility rates now look at their level of technology now look at the way

00:22:16.300 they've set themselves up right now look at their disproportionate success within existing ecosystems

00:22:21.180 right like if you view the world as like a collection of clans and then on top of all of

00:22:26.140 those things they don't have an intrinsic drive to one day convert or wipe out my people because

00:22:31.580 they their their religion doesn't need everyone to convert into it right so i was looking at those

00:22:37.260 things and i was like so it makes sense to invest in a relationship with this other group because this

00:22:43.820 other group is going to be strong and influential in the future and so if i invest in them now my culture

00:22:49.420 my country invest in them now in the future we will have a more harmonious relationship right and we

00:22:56.780 will be able to utilize each other and importantly they're safe as a long-term ally because their

00:23:04.780 long-term imperative is not to undermine anyone else's cultural sovereignty because they are the

00:23:09.580 chosen people and you can't really opt into their special club anyway so it's fine by that what she means

00:23:14.700 is end game for catholics everyone's a catholic end game for muslims everyone's a muslim end game for

00:23:20.220 jews not everyone is a jew that that would be a failure scenario like something went wrong with

00:23:25.020 judaism if that happens yeah well okay i should i should add caveats here many jews believe that in

00:23:33.020 the i forget what it's called the end times everyone does become a jew but that's like specifically an

00:23:37.980 end times phenomenon or like a type of jew like no hide or something like that but the point here being

00:23:43.500 is is that's what i was saying and so basically it is they are a group that is going to be strong in

00:23:49.100 the future therefore it is worth investing in them because that increases the harmoniousness of our

00:23:55.900 relationship and i think what was not heard in that is and that increases the harmoniousness of the

00:24:05.420 relationship because what unfortunately seems to happen and i i don't know what it is is i would

00:24:12.700 suspect that we get more comments or about as many comments from jewish people angry at us for being

00:24:19.980 anti-semitic like directly at us maybe if somebody like nick pointus does and yet we are for people who

00:24:26.700 watch our content know historically incredibly phileo-semitic and i i begin to think i was like

00:24:31.980 i was like wait so we're getting additional judgment right to like toe the line because we

00:24:41.100 have been nice on jewish issues in the past and then i started to think about this in a wider context and i

00:24:46.300 begin to think wait is this proof that investing in jewish cultural groups does not actually earn you

00:24:55.180 long-term goodwill um and i started to think about the united states right like again we saved the

00:25:01.340 jewish people right and people can say well you know the russians had more people die in the war and

00:25:06.700 they would have liberated them anyway the communist russians tried to kill the jews too right like it

00:25:11.740 would not have been a good thing if they had liberated the concentration camps on their own right

00:25:15.900 like for the jewish people right they certainly were going to help you set up israel right so not only

00:25:22.620 do we and when i say we i mean i say this very much like my ancestors every single one of our

00:25:28.540 grandfathers between simone and me like every single one of our four grandfathers between simone

00:25:33.580 and i was at d-day and every one of them was at d-day and so actually only one of my grandfathers

00:25:40.620 was at d-day oh really was the other one too young yeah the other one was too young okay so everyone who

00:25:46.380 wasn't too young three of the grandfathers was at d-day this is like and and people should know

00:25:52.380 disproportionately people from the appalachian tradition within the united states disproportionately

00:25:55.660 serve in the military if you want to see statistics on this it's particularly in the

00:25:59.100 world war ii period look up the book american nations it's one of the things that you'll see

00:26:03.820 in in terms of like military serving so like the largely our cultural group was the one there

00:26:09.100 actually fighting to save them we set up their country we send them economic aid we send them

00:26:14.700 military aid we regularly intervene diplomatically to help them out for 70 years and then we begin to

00:26:23.100 talk about and i talk about you know netanyahu wants us to cut off aid so like he's being smart

00:26:27.180 about this right like he's done the 40 chess move at this point right netanyahu's administration

00:26:32.140 wants us to cut off the military aid because they see the long-term damage i talk about this with that

00:26:36.620 context in one of my shows and even like the sanest smartest jews i know like i'm talking about

00:26:43.100 people who have immense intellectual respect for immense emotional respect for like feel compelled

00:26:48.940 to be like yeah but we should really be careful about cutting off that aid and and that i think

00:26:54.540 they don't realize the the way that that comes off it comes off like your your kid who you've been

00:27:03.740 giving money to like well after he moved out of your house and then you say look i'm sorry i need to cut

00:27:08.940 off money like money's tight these days like i'm dealing with my own things at home with your mom

00:27:13.020 and then he's like well then i'll just hate you dad you know like i won't talk to you anymore dad like

00:27:18.380 how dare you do that dad and what you realize is not even that just like even just well you should

00:27:25.900 really think carefully about that like no the response we would want from any of our kids when they

00:27:31.420 reach the age of majority is thank you so much for everything you've done we appreciate you're getting us

00:27:37.340 set up i feel so equipped to go and the thing is israel is like pretty all right you know it's amazing

00:27:45.180 economy amazing amazing tech amazing people like they they don't need a lot of help as far as i can

00:27:54.540 tell like especially relative to other countries who are super screwed demographically they're in a

00:28:00.060 fantastic position i mean israel is not on the list of like countries that i can name off the top of my head

00:28:07.340 israel is close to the bottom in terms of countries that need help so that's i think it literally is

00:28:13.980 below the united states in terms of countries that need external assistance right now all right i

00:28:19.420 literally i think you're right i literally cannot think of another country on earth that needs less

00:28:24.300 external assistance than israel so i think that's that's kind of more of the problem is is if you have a

00:28:29.740 kid or just like a friend that you helped out when they were in a lot of danger and then things were

00:28:35.900 rough for them and you helped them out and now they're doing really well and they're making a

00:28:40.380 lot of money and you're like all right cool you know just by the way and like i'm gonna stop sending

00:28:44.780 you you know monthly venmos like i'm i'm so glad to see you thriving and they're like well should really

00:28:52.140 really do you think that's a really good idea no but think about it how would you feel if somebody

00:29:00.620 did that you would immediately be like oh my god i am actually actively making our relationship worse

00:29:07.980 by doing this person favors okay and finally okay so i'm really starting to understand your argument

00:29:12.460 and i'm putting this together with a lot of things that i've been hearing as we both say on his stream

00:29:17.340 where he's just kind of like let's just stop sending money out of the country like we need to

00:29:22.700 and even like just immigrants within our own country like we need to help our own people

00:29:27.660 and americans in general and especially younger americans who are kind of seeing their future

00:29:32.300 vaporize are like wait why are we giving all this money to israel why are we giving all this money

00:29:39.420 to migrants and refugees in our own country like right why are you screwing me over and okay so that's i

00:29:45.500 guess now now this is all coming together especially because boomers have retirement

00:29:50.940 plans and and houses they were able to buy and all these things and younger generations really do feel

00:29:56.540 like they could use government assistance and getting on their feet and they're seeing all the

00:30:00.060 assistance go to israel which is already on its feet but the point is and i made this point historically

00:30:06.300 the amount we give to israel isn't dramatically higher than the amount we give to a lot of other countries

00:30:10.940 it's like yeah but that it's still the american sees that we're giving money to is a pair

00:30:16.380 you are entirely missing the point so i often point out that the amount that we give to israel is about

00:30:21.740 the same as the amount we give yearly to like egypt and jordan yeah but nobody cares you're still

00:30:27.260 giving the money if we cut off the money we gave to egypt and jordan if i on our podcast and we should

00:30:34.700 cut off the money we're giving to egypt and jordan no egyptian listener is going to email me

00:30:39.900 saying like how could you be so egyptophobic how could you be so jordan-a-phobic how could you uh

00:30:45.740 how could you air an idea like this though i guess thanks you might have a few politicians in egypt and

00:30:52.380 jordan make a stink but generally speaking the core people who are going to freak out that we cut off

00:30:57.580 money to egypt and jordan are going to be white women in the united states to be frank here right like

00:31:02.460 the most other people like like most cultures on earth if you have been doing them a favor for a long time

00:31:09.420 and then you stop doing them that favor like if it's a healthy culture that's used to making

00:31:14.380 long-term alliances with its neighbors it will say oh we really appreciate that you did that for us in

00:31:20.620 in the future if things work out where like one of us needs a favor again like let's do that and

00:31:25.020 actually you've been helping us out so long what can i do to help you right that's that's like a normal

00:31:31.180 reaction and as i point out here like israel if next year japan didn't give israel military aid

00:31:38.300 israel wouldn't be mad at japan because japan's not giving israel military aid they have created a

00:31:44.220 situation where by doing them favors you damage your future relationship with them and and and you can

00:31:53.100 see this with different you know groups around the world and anyone knows this like so many people have

00:31:58.060 probably built like a toxic relationship like this where you realize that somebody is just using you for

00:32:02.700 money basically and at the end of the day they then normalize to whatever you're giving them

00:32:07.580 and they're no longer really appreciative of it anymore in fact you only ever get crap from them

00:32:13.900 forever questioning the support you give them and then like you basically only ever get punished by

00:32:19.020 them just for like being you and being generous yeah and unfortunately this is where and i don't think

00:32:25.660 a lot of the hate on the right is coming from this perspective but i'm pointing out that this is

00:32:28.940 eroding even people who would otherwise be very very pro israel but i think that the reason why

00:32:35.340 that this is sort of snowballed to eroding is that questioning things in in a public context like being

00:32:42.460 like well you know i do have some problems with this part of our relationship with israel or i do have

00:32:47.500 some problems with this jewish behavioral trend people used to be just frankly more afraid in a public

00:32:53.340 context to air these things and so because because they were able to be deplatformed when they did

00:32:59.100 and so they are doing it more now and they are being pushed in an anti-semitic direction if you

00:33:05.820 remember i mean this is exactly what happened to nick fuentes right like he started fairly like

00:33:11.740 nuanced on these issues and then just had the type of personality that was prone to radicalization

00:33:17.180 i don't think i have that type of personality but i will say that i i know where i'm like wait are we

00:33:22.860 being punished because we were historically so phileo-semitic and does this change how i relate to this now

00:33:28.780 but you're thinking okay well i'm jewish what do i do about this the reality is i don't even know

00:33:33.500 like i i personally cannot conceive of what led to this behavioral pattern to be so strong i guess

00:33:42.540 it could have been because of the holocaust like genuinely it could have been like really like big

00:33:47.260 cultural moments still a very big part like catholic families they are aware that there were catholic

00:33:51.980 purges in the past but i've met catholics in the united states who didn't even know that the kkk

00:33:55.980 targeted catholics like it was like catholics blacks and jews right i mean i was like it might be that

00:34:03.420 catholics are not taught about their own oppression historically yeah but you can't take stories of

00:34:08.540 historical oppression away from judaism because that would be it wouldn't work with like the holidays

00:34:15.660 and traditions what you can do though is is shame and drop any form of present day entitlement

00:34:23.900 that the focus should be i'm totally all for jewish exceptionalism and like you know being proud of

00:34:32.060 your community and investing in your community regard like i don't care what your religion or

00:34:35.820 culture is i'm all for that like being all about helping your people and being proud of who you are

00:34:41.340 and investing in your group and i'm like it could be like dnd enthusiasts like it could be your culture as

00:34:48.140 well i don't it doesn't necessarily have to be religious or ethnic or anything but like all for

00:34:52.620 that just don't don't support abide by or express any form of entitlement to assistance from any other

00:35:02.060 group assistance or favoritism i think that would solve it and if that's just dropped i think that

00:35:08.220 this issue in general we dropped i think the problem is that people feel an intense amount of

00:35:13.260 resentment around repeated political and media-based insinuations that we owe something to israel

00:35:24.460 when there's a lot of concern when like objectively it's the exact inverse like if you're if you're

00:35:30.540 looking historically israel owes the united states literally everything like i do not think any

00:35:36.940 people has ever owed another people more like and it's funny that the jews will have memories

00:35:45.660 if you look at like you know the old testament and stuff they'll be like cyrus the great freed us from

00:35:49.740 exile right you know like brought us back from exile right and so we as a people like show him respect

00:35:55.340 but you don't get a similar thing for like america right which america objectively did a lot

00:36:02.700 more in terms of the exile that the jews were experiencing when america intervened to bring

00:36:08.460 them back was a significantly longer and more severe exile and they where they were in significantly

00:36:14.780 hotter water right when they were freed than the cyrus the great exile except you don't see this same

00:36:20.700 you know like religious movement towards america as a result of that um so to be more explicit here

00:36:28.940 the babylonian exile was only 50 to 70 years and the jewish people were not at existential threat

00:36:34.220 of elimination during the babylonian exile when cyrus came in he allowed the jewish people to move back

00:36:41.580 to israel if you consider how long the jews had essentially been kicked out of israel when the

00:36:47.420 holocaust happened because that's a large reason why the pogroms were happening i.e that the jews were not

00:36:52.540 in their their own country that was way longer than 50 to 70 years that was hundreds of years at that

00:36:58.300 point and the jewish people were at an existential threat at that point when america came in and

00:37:03.420 intervened and this isn't even considering the jews who america took in during that period and

00:37:08.540 actively protected which cyrus did not do and his country did not do and while it is true that the

00:37:13.900 communists freed more of the camps if it had only been the communists we know because of the later

00:37:19.100 communist jewish purges those jews would have been in almost as much hot water as they were in that

00:37:25.980 situation so america comes in and more so than cyrus it actually helps fund the jewish relocation to

00:37:34.540 israel from a much wider and more dispersed distance over a much longer period and then helps

00:37:40.220 set up the israeli state which is something that cyrus also did not do just objectively america did more

00:37:48.700 in almost every metric than cyrus the great did and yet you do not see this same reverence specifically

00:37:55.020 here i'm talking about the length of the exile before the israeli state was reset up the level

00:38:01.100 of threat the jewish people were under when they were rescued by this foreign power and the amount

00:38:07.340 that each leader or country did to set israel up after freeing them from their particular crisis

00:38:17.580 or exile and if you want to talk about american anti-semitism of this time pretty much everywhere

00:38:22.780 was anti-semitic at this time period even if you're talking about restrictions on jewish refugees

00:38:27.580 america still objectively took in about twice as many refugees as the next biggest taker in of refugees

00:38:34.700 and so i think like if i was jewish this this is something that i would like promote more we need

00:38:39.340 i i would say like judaism more broadly needs to get over its meth addict problem which is two a few

00:38:47.020 fold one is getting like like punishing people for doing you historic favors and then no longer doing

00:38:54.140 them like losing the appreciation for the historic favor and two i think the best way demonstrating

00:38:59.100 entitlement i think people are allergic to entitlement especially when times are rough for them yes yes and

00:39:08.140 that's that's what i think they're seeing is a form of entitlement but on top of that you have the

00:39:12.700 problem of because i want to get to why leftists now hate jews as well which is interesting and i

00:39:17.340 think if you just like and if you're a jewish person and you're offended that i'm saying this like

00:39:21.260 genuinely think about it from an american's perspective whose ancestors risked their lives you

00:39:27.420 know in in world war ii and then our country for the past few generations has been setting up a stable

00:39:35.260 israeli state that can defend itself and then to be like yeah but it would really be a problem for us

00:39:43.100 if you stop giving us money when when they're earning like more than we are here i was wrong here the

00:39:48.300 average wage in the united states is around 70 000 now which is just crazy high to me and the average

00:39:54.540 annual wage in israel is now around 50 000 but it's still very wealthy as a country compared to

00:40:03.820 saying that it needs foreign financial aid especially when you consider that we have been

00:40:08.700 giving them that economic and military aid for the past 75 years and they should be stable by now

00:40:16.780 like when does it end right we're 300 billion in when do they say okay dad you know i've been in

00:40:23.500 college for x long now i'm ready to graduate and start supporting myself why would why would somebody be

00:40:29.340 like i'm actually kind of like that's a that's a bad thing right like that and i don't i don't feel

00:40:35.340 offense personally but it does make me think if i'm being logical about like well the jews will be

00:40:39.820 powerful in the future and we want them as an ally in the future and the best way to do that

00:40:44.620 is to cut them off that's a that's a really bad cultural precedent to set so i think like the

00:40:49.900 best way to react to this like if i was actually jewish and i was going to do something about this would

00:40:53.900 be to create sort of a narrative about this within like we need to start really appreciating america

00:41:00.620 for what it was and what it did for us and find a way to meaningfully give back and meaningfully

00:41:06.700 create the sorts of partnerships that work intergenerationally and as i said the easiest

00:41:10.220 way to do that is for an israeli based ai center on in america and if people are like well why not have

00:41:15.820 it in israel well one because this would cause a vested interest in israel having a vested interest in

00:41:19.900 america and two you can't build a major ai hub in israel that has military purposes because it'd

00:41:25.100 be literally the first thing that was targeted and very easy to target but if it's in america

00:41:29.100 it's incredibly defensible and so it makes sense if you're going to do your manhattan project of ai

00:41:33.260 in america and then you can you know build a better long-term relationship there specifically what

00:41:37.180 i'm saying here is if you're jewish but you're also smart enough to see sort of above the wall of

00:41:42.220 your own culture like bb is because netanyahu has said you know we we need to end these payments like

00:41:48.140 now right like this is causing problems and if you are like that and you're like okay well i can't

00:41:55.660 change my people's culture so how do i do something that sort of forces them to invest in the united

00:42:02.940 states setting up one of these sort of manhattan projects around an ai data center that would make

00:42:08.940 no sense to do in israel but there'd be perfect logic to do this in the united states and it would

00:42:14.860 you know utilize the culture's pre-existing tendencies because now there's a vested interest

00:42:20.940 in building up and protecting the united states and i think that you know when i go around and i think

00:42:27.020 about all the remembrances of the holocaust it's always been sort of shocking to me because i've been

00:42:30.780 to a number of holocaust museums that you know jews set up all over the world that i see so little

00:42:36.380 about what the united states did for them during those periods right i will see setups of oh this

00:42:44.780 country or that country helped hide jews and it's like no country helped protect jews during the

00:42:50.620 holocaust and i'm not just talking about freeing them from the holocaust but taking them in during

00:42:56.140 that period of danger than the united states specifically we have records of this from the united states

00:43:02.220 holocaust memorial museum which shows that of jews who escaped the holocaust around 24 went to the

00:43:09.740 united states around 15 went to israel great britain around 10 went there central and south america in

00:43:17.980 total it was only around 19 remember just united states was 24 shanghai around 5 and other western

00:43:25.740 european countries that is all other western european countries combined was only around 30 with other

00:43:31.260 destinations making up 10 so for clarification jews were 2.5 times more likely to shelter in the

00:43:39.340 united states during the holocaust than in israel so yes the united states was the major player in

00:43:46.460 protecting jews from the holocaust not just in terms of resolving the war in a way that helped jews get out

00:43:53.740 safely not just in helping jews set up the state of israel not just in funding them for 75 years

00:44:00.700 but also in terms of where they went and this is where i've come to this if you can invest so much

00:44:07.740 in a people and yet go to their museums and see so little praise for your people for everything you've

00:44:15.180 done why continue to invest and i think that there is a way to fix this from a jewish perspective and that

00:44:22.620 is to just really build some sort of movement around greater appreciation for what america actually

00:44:31.260 did for the jewish people instead of seeing it as some sort of external like when when the jewish identity

00:44:37.580 should be israel in america right and and it is in terms of where they live but it isn't in terms of

00:44:45.180 their internal narrative and i think the mistake that other people and jews themselves made when

00:44:52.540 they heard me say philio-semitic things in the past or say the jewish people are people worth

00:44:57.580 investing in the past is they thought i think intuitively from a internal cultural perspective

00:45:03.660 that i was saying that because i liked individual jewish people in in truth in terms of like individual

00:45:09.340 how much i like people i like catholics just about as much as i like jews that i've met it has nothing

00:45:15.180 to do with what i think of individuals it has to do with the wider theological metaphysical and culture

00:45:24.140 and whether i think investing in it is going to help my own people in the long term and if it is a

00:45:31.660 culture that doesn't repay its debts then obviously not and even worse if it's a culture

00:45:39.100 that normalizes to people who do them favor and other cultural groups who do them favor and then

00:45:44.380 begins to expect that then it becomes like that friend who always expects more from you when when

00:45:51.340 you're when you're giving the money and then just gets angry when you cut them off and people can say oh

00:45:55.740 how dare you talk about what jewish culture is doing that is leading to the rise in anti-semitism these days

00:46:03.260 and i would say here they're like that's victim blaming right but if you know this podcast's mantra

00:46:10.700 it's you as a people can really only control your own actions so like if you're black for example

00:46:16.380 there's very little you can do to combat any sort of systemic discrimination in society but there's a

00:46:22.460 lot you can do to try to improve your own culture and what that contributes to say black people earning less

00:46:29.180 than other cultural groups so i give advice like this not saying that there are not external things

00:46:34.620 that for example cause black people to earn less or cause jewish hate it's just those external things

00:46:40.460 are generally not addressable by the culture that is on that is that is dealing with the consequences

00:46:46.540 of the hate or the lack of income or anything like that because at the end of the day no one is more

00:46:50.700 motivated to stop the existential rise in anti-semitism we're seeing right now than jewish people and

00:46:57.980 unfortunately the intuitive way that they've been approaching this recently makes the anti-semitism

00:47:04.140 much worse which is i think where you've seen this cycle that's almost sort of like an inverse

00:47:08.780 virtuous cycle where anti-semitism rises and then jewish people do things that causes more anti-semitism

00:47:14.940 to rise which is really sad and i think addressing this and seeing this problem and cutting it off now

00:47:21.500 is really really important for the long-term safety of the jewish people i want to go to the leftists

00:47:27.900 because i think the leftist hate for for jews that's been growing recently it's coming from a

00:47:31.820 position like i gave my original hypothesis at the beginning of this but when i actually think about

00:47:35.660 it like why is greta thornburg on a boat going to israel and gaza rather than the darfur region which

00:47:43.740 is literally twice as big you know why is it that ami is saying you know we need to globalize the

00:47:50.620 imputata the fact the imputata intifada whatever why is why is he saying this why do you get these

00:47:59.020 incredibly anti-semitic perspectives and screeds from individuals like hassan piker and what i've

00:48:06.220 realized like actually as i began to think about it more i was like why were those boats going there

00:48:11.420 for greta to get on oh that entire brigade wasn't even started by woke people it was started by just like

00:48:18.780 actual islamists right like it was it was actually started by like islamist groups that wanted to

00:48:25.420 eradicate the jewish people right like there has been funding for that flotilla that she was on that

00:48:32.300 came from hamas like this has been traced back at this point if you look at like mond mondami grew up

00:48:40.140 in a in a muslim household right like hassan grew up partially in turkey and has a lot of you know muslim

00:48:47.980 affinities right like if you actually look at his broader affinities they are more i i'd say pro

00:48:53.660 muslim was like a sheen of wokeness on the top and what i'm realizing here is the current

00:49:00.060 woke anti-semitic belief system is actually downstream of an intellectual class of either directly islamist or

00:49:12.540 muslim sympathizing individuals and when i say muslim sympathizing it's in the way wokies

00:49:17.660 sympathize with the group where they sort of have to sublimate all of their opinions and lived

00:49:22.220 experiences to this external groups lived experiences and we've even seen some clashes

00:49:26.540 here when there was a big fight between like well do muslim interests come before like black interests

00:49:30.700 right and people were like well no black interests come first and muslims were like no muslim interests come

00:49:34.940 first yeah this saw a flashpoint around the the most recent presidential election and i've begun to

00:49:42.300 think like what where i actually think the woke's anti-semitism is coming from is not the historic

00:49:48.460 sort of marxist anti-semitism because you know marx was a massive anti-semite he wrote an entire book

00:49:54.300 about jews being a problem so like i hate when people are like oh he was descended from jews that's like

00:50:00.380 saying hitler was descended for jews which is proof he wasn't an anti-semitism which people used to

00:50:05.020 believe and then they did a dna test they found out he wasn't and like we haven't done it everyone

00:50:08.620 says their x is descended from jews y is descended from jews anyway the point being where are they going

00:50:12.700 with this the point being is i actually think that a lot of the leftist anti-semitism comes from when

00:50:16.940 they are modeling what the future of humanity looks like with the future of our existing geopolitical

00:50:21.420 architecture looks like they don't actually plan on them existing in the future like i can talk

00:50:26.860 to like gays and trans people and i can be like but really you see if only people who hate you

00:50:30.940 continue to have kids like in the future only people who you cannot allow your culture to exist

00:50:36.620 are going to be the dominant cultures on earth like i talk about this in terms of prenatalism all the

00:50:40.460 time and they're often just like they don't really see it as a problem and i've always been very

00:50:44.300 confused as to how they don't see it as a problem and what i'm realizing and you see this was like

00:50:48.700 the the the wokies in what is it like michigan giving all the money to the somalians right with this

00:50:53.980 big scam where like billions of dollars have and it's clear that a lot of wokies knew this was

00:50:58.460 happening right you know to islamist groups in somalia is they see the future of their movements

00:51:04.460 and the territories that they feel they de facto control as something they want to hand to muslim

00:51:10.700 groups they believe in a muslim future and because of that they they see that future is incompatible

00:51:16.780 with jewish interests because they're sort of the muslims within the the top circles of their

00:51:21.980 intellectual communities and i and i find this very interesting trace the intellectual giants

00:51:28.300 on the left right now and many of them are tied to islamism in some way or another especially the

00:51:34.940 younger ones especially the younger ones and this didn't used to be the case so i think that this is

00:51:39.420 what we're seeing here and i i think that that's where it's coming from in their intellectual class i

00:51:44.860 don't think they actually think through like oh jews have more money than other people why did

00:51:48.780 jews have more money than other people well it must be because they cheated because it can't be for

00:51:52.620 cultural reasons because if we said it's for cultural reasons then why do blacks have less

00:51:56.460 money than other people for cultural reasons oh my god you just said blacks are poor because of their

00:51:59.580 own culture that's a naughty thing you know all differences must be due to oppression that's what

00:52:03.580 i used to think i don't think that i actually try to trace like why is greta thornberg anti-semitic now

00:52:09.180 so yeah i think it's a really difficult position when you look at these incredibly quickly rising rates

00:52:14.060 i think jews were basically playing a very smart game for a while that utilized the existing power

00:52:21.580 system and levers that they had access to in sort of the age of the boomer but the conservative youth

00:52:29.020 we spent the last x many years being told you've said a naughty thing you've said a bad thing back of

00:52:35.020 the line have your channel banned etc and so we and when i say what i mean like the larger new right movement

00:52:41.340 has become incredibly or or like how dare you say that that's offensive or how dare you say this

00:52:47.340 little thing that means like you're homophobic like when i'm like hey like we need to rethink

00:52:51.820 how we look at gay people and stuff like that this is another thing i did an entire episode where i'm

00:52:55.340 talking about like rethinking how we contextualize same-sex attracted individuals like is this just a

00:52:59.900 kink everything like that didn't get this this show has a decently sized gay fan base didn't get a

00:53:05.260 single angry email from our gay fan base about that why is it that they didn't say that like why is it that

00:53:10.300 other groups like you can bring up because if you watch that episode you can see we're not saying

00:53:15.340 that we hate gays in the same way that our jewish episode like isn't saying like we hate jews we're

00:53:18.620 just saying okay well here's a problem here's a problem here's a problem like and i can see how

00:53:22.860 people are resonating with what nick is saying on these problems how how does jewish culture like

00:53:30.220 react to this or or adapt to this and and if your reaction is to say well we just can't because of

00:53:36.780 the holocaust like we just can't because of ex-cultural trauma then you're going to have a

00:53:42.380 lot of enemies in the future because it makes you a group that is actively dangerous to attempt to help

00:53:49.100 and i don't know like it also makes your group like just hit the triggers on the new right which

00:53:55.180 is trying to cancel individuals right like trying to say or not cancel individuals but shame them when

00:54:00.220 they're saying something that is genuinely not anti-semitic and you come at them and you say

00:54:04.860 that's homophobic that's transphobic that's whatever they're so used to this that's racist

00:54:08.860 and they're like that wasn't anti-semitic you sound to me just like the person who comes and says

00:54:13.580 you know that's transphobic when you say hey children should not be transitioning right and then

00:54:18.140 that ends up pushing people into being more and more genuinely transphobic and if you are a jewish person

00:54:22.940 and you're like no people don't actually get pushed into these positions by people attacking them

00:54:28.060 look at us on like trans issues over time right like look at look at even maybe yourself on trans

00:54:33.500 issues over time did it push you in that direction maybe even same-sex attraction you've seen this

00:54:37.820 happen to you with some other group when you see it happening to yourself it's easier for you to be

00:54:41.500 like oh this is how it can happen to somebody else but what are your thoughts simone you had me at

00:54:46.460 entitlement i think that's gonna get pretty much anyone because it's a it's a very dangerous pattern

00:54:52.300 and i think people know it on an instinctual level but it also made a lot of sense when i thought

00:54:57.020 about the context of the way that asmogold brings up israel which is basically just like

00:55:03.180 let's stop sending money to anything that's not us when we've got our own problems yeah the final

00:55:08.460 thing i want to talk about is the holocaust thing because i think that the holocaust narrative is

00:55:14.940 unfortunately not one that is going to grab the youth of today in the way it did historically i as a

00:55:23.020 young person when i'm taught about the way the world really works the way most young people grow

00:55:27.580 up is they start by thinking there's good guys and bad guys and then they hit this age where they

00:55:33.500 realize oh my god like actually most people when they do something they think they're the good guy

00:55:40.140 right like most groups in history things are shades of gray and when people teach me that things

00:55:45.980 are not shades of gray they typically have some alternate agenda to like rewrite history for me

00:55:51.580 now and this is just something that like we all learned everybody experiences this growing up

00:55:55.260 right like this moment where you're like oh like like while there might be some instances of genuine

00:56:02.860 evil like these generally speaking people think that what they're doing is right in in the context

00:56:08.940 and that generally in any story where i was told one person was all bad and one person was all good

00:56:14.860 that story was being rewritten by the the victors of the story now imagine your 15 year old destiny's

00:56:20.860 kid because we're talking about like you know talking to him and he experienced this in school

00:56:24.940 and he goes to school and he is taught the current you know world war ii scenario and the the sort of

00:56:32.220 default world war ii scenario is one side was genuinely like comically evil almost as evil as any group could

00:56:40.300 ever be in any historical context and the other side was mostly good and that's just the truth of it like

00:56:50.220 just that's the truth i can see why they immediately are like wait a second like do i believe that like

00:56:56.140 that that sounds like one of the stories i was told is the type of story i should doubt right so it's it's

00:57:04.300 a narrative and it i actually think it's a narrative that it's mostly true like i think we were the good

00:57:08.620 guys and we beat the bad guys you know i pointed out that they they marched under a theothopical society

00:57:13.740 flashed like a wiccan flag basically like they were like of every route i think that they were they were

00:57:19.660 bad in almost every way you can watch our video that was taken down by youtube on this subject because

00:57:23.900 i guess we hit too close to the home on it but the point i'm making is it's just a narrative that's

00:57:29.180 going to be like i think we need to rethink how we tell kids this narrative how we teach this narrative

00:57:35.580 how we teach it and you know every city has a museum every city has a and i think the the sort

00:57:41.660 of like how do i reframe this in a way that is believable to the type of kid who has been systemically

00:57:49.740 lied to because kids were especially during the age of covid systemically lied to by institutions that

00:57:55.100 had power right like i don't even know if i would believe it if i was growing up today i'd be like well

00:58:00.380 you know i can't trust what i read on wikipedia anymore because it's got this extreme

00:58:04.780 you know leftist bias i can't trust what i read on a you know what i hear from mainstream news

00:58:12.060 ai is all controlled by x y or z you know and so i need to try to like educate myself right and when

00:58:19.820 it comes to educating yourself that means going to conspiracy websites and stuff like that right

00:58:24.300 okay so you're also saying in in the age of the information or truth crisis it's going to be extra hard

00:58:30.300 to talk about really really really bad atrocities because it seems easier to assume that it was just

00:58:38.860 made up well this is the way i put it we have found a way like at least the american right to

00:58:45.900 talk about things like the communist atrocities because they committed genuinely horrifying atrocities

00:58:51.580 you know on the scale of holocaust atrocities right we have found a way to talk about that

00:58:57.580 talk about all the horrible things they did while still humanizing the communists right like to an

00:59:03.180 extent where like if somebody goes to a communist rally today or has a friend who went to a communist

00:59:07.820 rally who then went to a different event you know we don't go oh you left us you went to an event that

00:59:12.140 a communist went to how can i have you on my stream or somebody will be like oh you went to an event

00:59:16.460 that a nazi went to right like how could i be on your stream right like the the point that i'm saying

00:59:20.940 is i think we need to learn to talk about nazis and nazism the same way we talk about communism

00:59:28.220 in and its horrors where we can admit that communism did a lot of just like holistically evil things

00:59:34.140 but like the people who were putting it together had some like some plan to what they were doing you

00:59:41.580 know they they at least thought that there was some like good thing at the end of this and here here and

00:59:47.260 here is why they thought that right um and i think if we can get to teaching world war ii like that

00:59:53.420 we won't have this reflective that just doesn't seem plausible every other time in history where

00:59:59.340 i'm told there was a bad guy and a good guy i then get told and that's the way we taught it to you in

01:00:03.740 middle school because you know you were too dumb to understand but actually the native americans committed

01:00:09.420 a ton of atrocities and actually the settlers committed a ton of atrocities and it's not always black and white

01:00:14.620 right interesting yeah yeah i'm not sure part of me thinks it's it's it's simpler than that

01:00:25.900 that people today are now struggling to use the holocaust as justifications for special treatment

01:00:32.140 in the same way that people struggle to use reparations as justification or like slavery for

01:00:38.380 as justification for reparations for black americans because they're like oh like this was a long time

01:00:43.740 ago like it was horrible and it happened and that's bad but like what about today and how is that going

01:00:51.020 to fix anything i think that might be more of the instinctual sentiment but i i still definitely see

01:00:58.620 there being an issue about educating children around atrocities and mistreatments and also being very

01:01:05.980 unsure of what what can be trusted in the age of ai and the internet and everything else yeah so i think

01:01:14.060 that that's the other thing that like because people can be like the over the evidence for it was

01:01:19.100 overwhelming and i agree that it is but i can also understand how young people are pushed away from it

01:01:24.940 in the current media ecosystem and i think that thinking through how this story can be retold in a way that

01:01:32.060 is going to be believable to an edgy youth is really important well do you think part of it is the

01:01:37.900 weaponization of the word nazi the fact that it just has been used so much like it's the new n-word

01:01:45.900 and it has caused a sense of desensitization and also trivialization of of that which is being invoked

01:01:53.980 i i think that well so there's a part of it like the reclaiming of the word is something that nick has

01:02:01.340 tried to do right like this idea of if i can if i can sort of de-radicalize the use of this word or

01:02:08.860 claiming affinity to this group for a lot of young people today like that's the ultimate way to rebel

01:02:13.820 right like on the left it's it's cutting your and on the right it's claiming to be an inward right you

01:02:20.620 know and i think that unfortunately they made it like this edgy taboo thing and there there is a

01:02:28.620 downside to doing that like it's it's it's taboo to the extent now where you know a kid can can break

01:02:35.500 that taboo and watch their parents and teachers you know stare in shock in the same way that you

01:02:40.300 know maybe our generation had piercings or whatever right like that they need something that can create

01:02:45.580 that among their parents and you know unfortunately the the way the media ecosystem treats it right now

01:02:51.900 it's just sort of the perfect thing for that okay interesting yeah i'm gonna have to mentally

01:02:59.900 chew on this for a while but i'm glad that you're talking about the fact that this is happening the

01:03:04.700 trends that you brought up at the beginning of the episode just the number the percentage of young

01:03:09.260 people who are now anti-semitic really means that people need to be thinking carefully about not only why

01:03:14.860 this is happening but what people can do both people who support jews and then jewish populations

01:03:21.260 themselves to address this because if if left unaddressed i think it's only going to get much

01:03:27.020 worse and that can lead to problems yeah yeah i was a jewish person what i would do because i actually

01:03:34.780 think this would be cool to do is build like a set of codes like be like look judaism needs a system

01:03:41.260 for dealing with intergenerational relationships with other cultural groups that has because jews

01:03:46.940 love the rules that has a lot of set rules that will make it rewarding for other groups to help us

01:03:53.740 because when it's rewarding for other groups to help us then other groups are going to be more likely to

01:03:58.140 help us um and to a lot of people that's just the way they are right like a lot of groups that have

01:04:03.580 lived in clan-based systems for a long time this way of having intergenerational relationships with

01:04:08.620 other people like as i said simona and i come from clan-based cultural system is just natural you

01:04:13.180 just think oh i help another culture next generation they're going to help me but if you're a group like

01:04:18.140 the jews that's regularly getting kicked out of places every couple generations you may not build a

01:04:21.980 system like that but going into whatever the world becomes after this especially after we begin space

01:04:28.220 exploration and have interstellar communities the jewish culture is going to need a system of rules like

01:04:34.860 that and somebody in our generation can be the jew who makes it interesting well thank you for this

01:04:42.140 conversation i love talking with you love talking to you too good pattern of repeatedly doing basic

01:04:52.380 things he needs to learn like math and english and stuff like that of course and then for more advanced

01:04:58.060 concepts like biology and stuff like that get him very familiar with the idea of and how to use a an

01:05:06.140 ai to explore that stuff yeah like explain to him why it's important to learn how to explore it and then

01:05:13.420 basically send him off and have him learn it and then come back to us and tell us what he learned

01:05:18.940 that's where you really get it with him you're like okay tell me what you learned and he'll come back

01:05:22.060 and he'll remember one thing and i'm like go out again learn more than one thing i need at least

01:05:27.100 three facts and we can expand that into i need at least a full explanation i need at least you know

01:05:33.340 so that he can learn how to learn this stuff on his own i like that yeah i mean we're trying to

01:05:38.700 present him with various reasons why he might want to learn things now like he he asked to see the

01:05:46.860 the mice we got in the mousetraps again this morning but then he got really sad about the mice

01:05:52.780 in the mousetraps and i'm like okay like do you want to build something that prevents them from

01:05:58.140 getting inside like you know you gotta learn you have to learn how mice work and what they eat and

01:06:04.140 all things all the things

01:06:09.020 anyway

01:06:09.420 so

01:06:16.060 we are going to go over a number or i'll get started here

01:06:25.180 you're attacking what's what's going on what's going on my little buddy oh okay question question

01:06:32.620 get up get up get up question toasty did you see torsten mommy said the milk was drinking

01:06:42.380 and and mommy and also mommy said the cookies got eaten oh my gosh that's not even weird not even

01:06:52.860 weird not even weird i think it's pretty weird it's a supernatural being invades your home

01:07:01.340 i personally find that a little weird

01:07:03.660 you

01:07:18.620 octavian did you hear reindeer downstairs last night

01:07:26.380 really torsten did you

01:07:33.660 All right.

Based Camp - December 30, 2025

1 In 4 Youth Antisemitic Now： This Is Not About Gaza

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