Based Camp - May 21, 2026


50 Years Ago Commies Had A Plan For Us ... It Worked?!


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00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be asking the
00:00:04.240 question, did the communists win with their goals in the United States? So this rabbit hole was
00:00:12.840 prompted for me by a Chris Williamson clip where he had on a guest, Isabel Brown, who was going
00:00:18.600 over a list that she reported to be the communist goals for the United States circa 1960. She sort
00:00:26.440 of misstated this list, implying that it was read into the congressional record by the Communist
00:00:31.060 Party. It was not. It was read into the record by a Republican anti-communist and was a review of
00:00:38.860 the notes on the Communist Party and their goals circa 1963 by an FBI agent, Cleon Skousen. So not
00:00:46.980 a crackpot or anything like this. This was an FBI agent whose goal was in the FBI was to track and
00:00:52.880 to understand the communist party's goals circa 1963 okay yeah and it's not like they were
00:01:00.860 incredibly secret about their goals so this can't be that inaccurate yeah well you're going to be
00:01:07.420 shocked by this list you're going to be shocked she read a few of them and i was like i need to
00:01:12.220 go into the full thing i need to look up the history of this list like i'm not going to go
00:01:16.680 over every single one of the points that he had read into it because some of them would just get
00:01:20.460 boring but we're going to have enough material to shock you so much and i'm not gonna be reading
00:01:26.640 them in order either so let's start here okay transfer some of the power of arrest from the
00:01:33.060 police to social agencies treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders with no one
00:01:39.180 but psychologists can understand or treat what this was the 1960s early 1960s psychiatrists
00:01:48.500 weren't even a thing at that point not like commonly oh wow
00:01:57.200 did we lose the cold war we lost the cold war we lost the cold war when i read through this
00:02:04.900 you're going to be like we lost the cold war we were just believing we won i i almost at the end
00:02:12.600 of this like believe that there's like a communist utopia in russia right now and that's where we've
00:02:17.660 been sending all our defrauded somali dollars barely yeah and and then outside the u.s everything's
00:02:23.860 still going and we've just been psyopsed into believing that the cold war is over and that
00:02:28.060 we want to make us happy real what is happening i don't know if i'm ready for this
00:02:34.080 oh my god
00:02:43.440 tim robbins and susan sarandon
00:02:47.080 brav sweet your dad my son is a communist okay next dominate the psychiatric profession and use
00:02:57.220 mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals
00:03:03.040 consider the way that they've used things like trans mental health laws
00:03:07.320 to achieve other goals they have later down on this list
00:03:12.480 first given that this does seem to have been the plan it's a pretty clever plan no yeah if you if
00:03:23.680 you go we rewind to the 1950s 1960s like all right how do we take out these it is yeah i mean it's
00:03:31.280 it's incredibly clever i i never would have thought of it but in terms of destroying a country from
00:03:37.360 the inside you know there's this one episode in earlier doctor who where the doctor has this like
00:03:45.020 plan where he's like oh i know how to like single-handedly take down this prime minister
00:03:48.640 and he standing next to her like turns to a journalist who's always there who is also there
00:03:54.220 and says she looks tired and that's supposed to be like that's the end of her career he just ended
00:03:59.360 it by saying that and like sowed this doubt but this is so much more like this is the real version 0.99
00:04:04.320 of that where like russia was like oh that's that's not just you being a a dick it's a mental 0.97
00:04:10.720 health thing that is to be systematically defended he is not talking about russia's goals for the 0.96
00:04:16.120 united states these were the goals of the american communist party at the time how they were going to
00:04:20.860 dismantle the united states that is so it's because but then why why would you i mean because
00:04:27.060 presumably the goal of destabilizing us means that we then they can take over but what is left to
00:04:33.260 take over once you've done that to a country. Well, they wanted to sell us out to the communists
00:04:38.660 in Russia. We'll go over this. It didn't work out their way, but they have achieved all of
00:04:43.520 their other goals other than that one. It really seems to be about destroying the United States
00:04:48.160 above all else and destroying the institutions that were most resistant to them, specifically
00:04:53.640 religious institutions. So it's not about brokering in some new age or transition. It's just out of
00:04:58.920 hatred for the united states i mean there does appear to be a new age or transition it's the
00:05:05.220 communist order right like they've got to break down the existing social structure before they
00:05:09.480 can create a new one or offer a new one but we'll even go into how they plan to run their revolution
00:05:14.420 and everything like that well what good is a communist citizen if they're like crippled by
00:05:20.520 anxiety and in statutorily because then they can't fight back against the government yeah but isn't
00:05:27.340 i guess in a post agi world a post singularity world you don't need workers like the perfect
00:05:34.140 communist state that has never been tried there's a lot of workers to work hard simone like i think
00:05:38.940 you're confused about this like slaves like that's the way communist states have always operated
00:05:45.120 they don't actually need so i guess it was just there was a plan a rug pull like systematically
00:05:50.320 mentally all of the plans and then okay yeah i would yes yeah okay let's try to understand this
00:05:56.800 next year okay discredit the family as an institution encourage promiscuity and easy
00:06:02.180 divorce oh boy by the way if you're unfamiliar with the legal changes in the united states
00:06:07.340 post-1960s not only has promiscuity obviously become very popular the new york times regularly
00:06:12.500 writing about polyamory and stuff like this and but the idea of easy divorce has become way way
00:06:17.860 way easier and there has been explicit attacks like blm saw the instant the family unit as one
00:06:24.860 of their core things that they wanted to target and discredit okay emphasize the need to raise
00:06:31.520 children away from the negative influence of parents attribute prejudices mental blocks
00:06:37.140 and the retarding of children to the suppressive influence of parents okay the retarding of 0.99
00:06:43.940 children yeah basically they're like we need to retard children they must retard the children 0.98
00:06:48.640 the parents i love i love that wording the school system and then we'll blame parents on the results 0.97
00:06:54.380 of that that is so good and every time somebody's like well what about the parents right you know
00:07:01.940 they're running a communist up they're running a communist up come on guys i always hate that
00:07:07.400 that whiny what about the parents just like look obviously parent it's really about the family
00:07:13.580 culture like the parents cannot draconianly police everything a kid does they need to create a
00:07:18.540 culture where the negatives of society don't get their hooks in the kid to the same extent
00:07:22.120 but by creating this learned helplessness communists were able to degrade portions of
00:07:26.940 our society okay next gain control of key positions in radio tv and motion pictures
00:07:32.360 again note here i am not editorializing these i am not this is what was written
00:07:38.960 read into the congressional record okay well i guess that explains the witch hunt that took place
00:07:45.160 in that sense right wasn't there a big blacklist because there was this this intense fear of
00:07:52.820 people taking over the media so it sounds like this was internalized and taken seriously
00:07:58.160 they did take over the media i mean we've seen this today right you know yeah the media is what
00:08:03.540 in the 1960s would be called communists the vast majority of people was influenced i'd say
00:08:07.140 well over 80 percent of people was influenced in any of the major media organizations would
00:08:11.160 be a 1953 be ascribed as a hard-line communist this is true okay one moment octavian what what's
00:08:18.040 up buddy do you need something i made i made my i made i made a fox out of play i'm so glad yeah
00:08:25.840 you should get your yeah get your swimsuit ready to go out and play in the creek thank you friend
00:08:31.500 next point here continue note the word here continue continue discrediting
00:08:40.820 american culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression an american communist cell
00:08:46.420 was told to quote eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings substitute shapeless
00:08:52.660 awkward meaningless forms oh wait there's a reason for that there's a reason for the
00:08:58.980 proliferation of heinously ugly statues everywhere in the united states this is thank you thank you
00:09:07.620 thank you because it didn't make any sense and now we just know every time you walk by some 0.99
00:09:11.860 misshapen disgusting thing in the street it's the commies it's actually the commies 0.74
00:09:19.860 it's the it's not just public stuff now it's video games i mean look at mixtape
00:09:24.980 look at the games they're pushing on us oh my god well no no mixtape was created by the daughter
00:09:31.220 of one of the biggest capitalists super big communists
00:09:34.180 all of these rich people are communist because that just institutionalizes their power
00:09:40.420 that's why rich people are so pro commie laws because they know that they'll be at the top
00:09:45.180 of the communist system which is what has happened generally except in china when you
00:09:50.740 had communist revolutions i don't think that's true he's he's buddies with trump
00:09:54.860 oh he is but his daughter isn't she i could see her being a commie yeah i could see her
00:10:00.340 institutionalize her power in a way the dad doesn't the dad's productive the dad never needs
00:10:05.060 to worry she just inherited an aristocratic position you know like her hassan piker che
00:10:11.300 guevara you know fidel castro actually we have a whole video on this on the nepo babies of communism
00:10:17.700 zorha and mondami parents were famous directors who have done like movies that like you've heard
00:10:24.360 of before like all of them were famous super super wealthy kids going around on their polo
00:10:31.220 you know back in the anyway but i note here that this is actually a quote from a communist
00:10:37.740 organization that was directed at another communist organization that they picked up
00:10:42.060 it's the fbi so this isn't again editorialization eliminate all good cultures from parks and
00:10:47.760 buildings substitute shapeless awkward and meaningless forms shapeless awkward and that is
00:10:53.620 that it completely remember just walking around palo alto and you just be in a beautiful
00:10:58.760 neighborhood and then suddenly like there would be some nightmare fuel just sitting there god
00:11:05.340 yeah wow commies and we're going to talk about how they transmitted these cultural values through 0.76
00:11:11.400 people not necessarily recognize actually i'll just go into it right now
00:11:14.700 people can be like well okay but how did a small communist party in the united states
00:11:23.040 end up getting control of a palo alto housing committee for example right like yeah that does
00:11:29.700 that make sense and the answer is and this is why i pointed out in our cuba video where we're like
00:11:34.740 it's so important that trump takes out cuba which they're in the process of doing cuba played a major
00:11:40.140 part in this so cuba for a long time has been funding organizations with communist leaders and
00:11:46.680 people who have like these playbooks and keeping groups like antifa and like the sort of rebellious
00:11:54.400 leadership cast of ultra progressive movements in the united states on message and aware of what
00:12:01.600 they're trying to do even if they don't fully understand why if we disrupt cuba in this this
00:12:07.300 may be able to be pushed back on in significant ways but anyway continue this is shocking
00:12:14.900 control critics and directors of art museums yeah yep yep and hence the art museums and all their
00:12:24.740 disgustingly ugly and then um he has a a quote here from another communist organization that 0.56
00:12:30.720 they were spying on our plan is to promote ugliness repulsive meaningless art repulsive
00:12:36.320 meaning i feel so heard oh my god this is this is one of the most validating things ever 0.97
00:12:42.040 how is this oh my gosh okay next present homosexuality degeneracy and promiscuity as 0.85
00:12:49.120 normal natural and healthy keep in mind this was 1963 yeah yeah and it really wasn't seen that way 0.99
00:12:58.980 yeah here is here's a fun one infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with
00:13:05.260 quote-unquote social religion to spread it the bible and emphasize the need for intellectual
00:13:10.020 maturity which does not need a quote-unquote religious crutch and they were wildly successful
00:13:16.640 at this this is one of the reasons when people are always like why do you have your own weird
00:13:19.680 version of christianity why don't you go back to the and i'm like because they're where all of this
00:13:24.620 was spread from right like the the progress slide flag went up on the churches before it went up in
00:13:31.360 the schools right like they have been the source of the rot they were some of the forced institutions
00:13:36.780 to fall the vatican is a captured city at this point right like
00:13:40.940 you guys if you want to do your reconquista with what's his face i like him redeemed zoomer i like
00:13:50.340 i like redeemed zoomer go for it i think it's a waste of time until we are a larger and more
00:13:57.240 cohesive movement than the existing sort of i just want to go back to the way things were movement
00:14:01.940 which i think obviously isn't going to work because the way things were is what they were
00:14:06.940 able to crack open the way things were was incredibly unrobust um but anyway to continue
00:14:13.060 here eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in schools on the ground that it
00:14:19.960 violates the principle of separation of church and state no boy well well they nailed it but i
00:14:27.100 mean you've got to hand it to them you know apparently they were at least effective in this
00:14:33.340 yeah okay discredit the american constitution by calling it inadequate old-fashioned out of step
00:14:38.700 with modern needs and a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis discredit
00:14:44.900 the american founding fathers present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the
00:14:48.900 common man wow develop the illusion that total disarmament by the united states would be a
00:14:55.320 demonstration of moral strength do we not repeatedly see this today
00:15:01.000 i'm wow hmm permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation
00:15:11.520 and regardless of whether or not the items could be used for war
00:15:14.740 look at what they can't do with iran instead of just dealing with the iranian situation which
00:15:20.340 trump is finally doing yeah god yeah trump and the jews trump and the jews but bombing you know
00:15:26.840 i saw a comment recently where they were like yeah like i really don't like the jews are israel but 0.89
00:15:32.340 by god they know how to just kill someone when they're around um and i'm like yeah it's refreshing 1.00
00:15:38.200 at this point right somebody's with you you just murder them you just kept their butt 0.99
00:15:44.760 people are like well what if they what if they put their clinic or what if what if they put their 0.99
00:15:51.860 garrisons of of guerrillas and terrorists under schools and hospitals and the jews are like well 0.96
00:15:56.980 we'll bomb them and other people are like well what about the people we'll just bomb them like 1.00
00:16:01.040 whatever i don't care they'll stop doing it it will stop being differentially a good idea to do 0.95
00:16:06.680 that if they realize we don't care it's only because the international scene still freaks
00:16:11.120 out over it that they kept doing that they would have stopped the international scene and stopping
00:16:14.660 babies about it but oh well continue here provide american aid to all nations regardless of
00:16:22.080 communist domination or i guess i can say your anti-american affiliation right like why is u.s
00:16:28.060 aid giving tons of money to countries that hate us right and and groups that hate us right
00:16:33.280 and that hate us for the aid itself right 0.88
00:16:36.900 grant recognition to red china admit red china into the un
00:16:45.160 yeah when did we stop calling it red china
00:16:49.320 when they stopped being communist i mean we point out in our episode america's functionally
00:16:54.900 more communists in china now by an order of about threefold yeah in terms of about any measure that
00:17:00.620 you could measure like go into okay note here this one i love right simone promote the u.n as
00:17:07.880 the only hope for mankind oh boy that oh my god if its charter is rewritten demand that it be set
00:17:17.220 up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces some communist leaders 0.85
00:17:23.880 believe the world can be taken over as easily by the un as by moscow so hilariously the un he's
00:17:32.400 saying the right this was 1960s he said the un is a branch of communism but it makes so much 0.87
00:17:40.040 sense think that the un can dominate the world better than russia can and with the collapse of
00:17:47.380 russian communism see our recent episode this means that nato and the un are likely bigger 0.69
00:17:51.720 threats to american sovereignty than any other force in the world right now 0.60
00:17:57.080 even more evidence that you should drop it like it's hot i'll tell you man drop it like it's hot
00:18:03.620 look if the democrats can just randomly pull us out of like panama why can we not randomly pull 0.97
00:18:09.580 out of the un right like stupid little project okay next do away with all loyalty oaths 0.97
00:18:17.140 capture one or both of the political parties in the united states i like it that they thought big 0.99
00:18:22.820 capture both right and this is look they did dream big but they achieved like their their
00:18:28.460 checklist here they just went through it they nailed it gop inc before maga came in before
00:18:36.320 trump came in right before we wash them out the deontological faction of the republican party
00:18:42.620 is not particularly far from a lot of these ideologies, right? They appear to be focused
00:18:49.200 on sowing division within a voting bloc that we should be using to win through, you know,
00:18:55.220 racialist agendas, through agendas that are just not winning in the polls right now.
00:19:00.860 And through trying to peel, you know, as we pointed out, like,
00:19:04.000 Fuentes voting Democrat, trying to peel Republicans out of the coalition
00:19:06.700 so that these people can win right like we repeatedly see the agents of the communists
00:19:12.840 understand their role right this is where we get organizations like the southern poverty law center
00:19:19.200 being the it appears now primary donor to the ku klux klan right like and you can see our episode
00:19:25.120 where we argue we go through the numbers on that to show that it was likely their primary source
00:19:29.320 of external funds which is wild right and not just them but the american nazi party the a lot
00:19:35.220 of this stuff is being funded by these organizations to cause division. And like, we need to be aware
00:19:40.020 of this. They want to take over our party as well. And we cannot allow that. Next. And they want to 0.95
00:19:46.740 make us weak. If somebody comes to you and they say, oh, we as Americans, we shouldn't be using
00:19:53.080 genetic technology. We shouldn't be using AI technology. These individuals are of the camp,
00:20:00.180 like let's de-arm let's let's neuter ourselves so we can't fight back in a world where contrast 0.89
00:20:06.760 this to the the attitude toward ai and technology that you see in china where they're like yeah ai 0.91
00:20:12.420 is good this is let's go absolutely this is going to make people's lives better something's going on
00:20:18.160 here well i don't care about people i want the autonomous drone swarms okay i want the gene the
00:20:24.220 there's a lot of fun stuff we can do with genetic technology if it gets better but
00:20:29.740 to continue here sorry i didn't want to name any of it let's be i get clipped
00:20:36.020 use technical decisions of the courts to weaken american institutions
00:20:39.600 by claiming their activities violate civil rights
00:20:42.540 get control of the schools use them as transmission belts for socialism and current
00:20:52.800 communist propaganda oh god oh it's a little on the nose it's a little on the nose yeah soften
00:21:00.160 the curriculum get control of teachers associations soft in the curriculum get get control of teachers
00:21:06.120 association oh no the teachers union put the party line in textbooks
00:21:12.520 but they did they did you know what if anything i kind of now just i'm like what
00:21:20.880 we lost we lost we lost the cold war they won maybe commies are a little more
00:21:27.860 competent than i thought they were and apparently the u.s is a lot more spineless than i thought it
00:21:35.340 was i'm kind of humiliated here because we treated our adversaries with respect while they didn't
00:21:42.540 treat us with respect and we need to stop doing this right we need to be willing to understand
00:21:48.700 that we are playing for the future of human civilization and like no i i think
00:21:54.940 this the reason why this worked why they were able to pull this off is it happened 0.98
00:22:02.020 just as increasing numbers and proportions of women entered the workforce and these kinds of 0.80
00:22:09.300 ideologies are exactly the ones that they'd be like yeah we should be doing this we should be
00:22:14.280 and that i think unfortunately is a bigger factor in this than i would like to admit
00:22:20.740 i don't think that in a patriarchal society this would have this would have gotten by us
00:22:28.440 don't i mean
00:22:30.180 don't you think so though probably i mean i think that that's definitely one thing
00:22:37.660 okay so where were they here gain control student newspapers use student riots to
00:22:43.800 public protests against programs or organizations which are under communist attack belittle all
00:22:50.000 forms of american culture and discourage the teaching of american history on the ground that
00:22:54.180 it was only a minor part of the quote-unquote big picture give more emphasis to russian history
00:22:59.600 since the communists took over now they didn't get this second part but they definitely got the
00:23:03.660 first part and to focus on communist history like if you look at american education systems now it's
00:23:10.640 just like slavery, Native Americans, what is it, like Jim Crow laws, stuff like this, just like,
00:23:17.760 oh. That was a big part of my, yeah, public school education. Plus, when you think about,
00:23:23.380 yeah, rioting students, this is just such a big theme on college campuses, especially recently.
00:23:28.860 It's just, it's what they do. Another one they did here, eliminate the House Committee on
00:23:34.180 Un-American Activities. Don't we still have that? I'm pretty sure we don't. The House Committee on
00:23:39.900 un-American activities let's have a look we still have that standing goodie it was made a permanent
00:23:44.200 committee of the house in 1945 okay there we go i thought so because i've heard it in headlines so
00:23:50.040 no it was no sorry it was abolished in the late 1950s 1960 opinion largely turned against it
00:23:54.940 and it was rebranded as the house committee on internal security and then it was entirely
00:24:02.220 okay again they won they nailed it once again like respect
00:24:11.500 support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part
00:24:19.620 of the culture education social agencies welfare programs mental health clinics etc
00:24:24.020 infiltrate and gain control of more unions are already in union infiltrate and gain control of
00:24:30.100 big business that wasn't an accident that was the plan is controlling big business they always saw
00:24:36.060 big business not as the enemy of communism but it's their goal for bringing it about
00:24:40.620 overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government
00:24:47.200 and internationalize the panama canal another thing they achieved
00:24:50.980 wow
00:24:54.200 I would so let's say you know we're in a meeting of the socialist party in the US it's like hey
00:25:08.820 let's do all these things I would be sitting there thinking yeah like but we need to have
00:25:13.800 leaders permeating every element of government and society to make this work we need all the
00:25:19.380 wealthiest people to be communists and to be a member of this party and a part of this strategic
00:25:24.260 initiative. I don't understand how this, I mean, well, I can't really, I don't have a good
00:25:29.600 explanation as to how these things ended up happening anyway, aside from women tend to have
00:25:34.760 more aligned with communist party desires. I think the answer is pretty clear. They took over
00:25:40.920 our university system first. It was first target elite universities. We saw this happening when
00:25:46.940 we were at university and a lot of the kids who are cheering for this stuff do not understand
00:25:52.640 what they're actually fighting for the people who understand the bigger picture are their
00:25:57.380 handlers often in Havana and that uh and I just don't think that people got how much Cuba was
00:26:03.760 organizing behind the scenes and how relevant Cuba is in managing the wider communist project
00:26:09.760 in the United States yeah I mean well we should I mean Hassan just had that well it wasn't
00:26:14.800 obviously hassan's event but hassan was at a very major event there just recently well i mean to
00:26:21.100 understand how competent havana has been at this stuff they took over venezuela's government right
00:26:26.800 like when we took back venezuela was shipping them basically free oil to keep the lights on
00:26:32.320 right like that is how havana operated it treated the rest of the world countries that they would
00:26:39.680 go in infiltrate and essentially take over they had taken over the vast majority of the president
00:26:44.780 Guard they had taken over the vast majority of leadership positions within the military in
00:26:48.680 Venezuela and they use that to keep control of the country and siphon all the money out of it 0.79
00:26:53.880 this is what the USSR did for its surrounding countries and stuff like that that is what their 0.58
00:26:58.680 goal is for the United States that is what they do with socialists in the United States right like
00:27:03.420 the the fight against Cuba is far more existential for the United States than I think many Americans
00:27:10.740 believe because when you see all of these you're like this seems too perfect how is it all organized
00:27:16.720 and the key is gain control of the elite institutions make this cool you know make it
00:27:22.500 cool Havana backed education which you'll often see from leading groups like Antifa and stuff
00:27:28.440 like that they'll be like no this guy is legit he went to one of the Havana training camps right
00:27:32.700 that's right yes Antifa too yeah oh so you're trying to say that even back going back to
00:27:40.720 the 70s this was all happening in cuba a lot of it well a lot of it was organized in russia in the
00:27:46.860 70s and then it sort of became externalized to cuba and that's where the the key sort of
00:27:52.820 organization ran from after that but yeah cuba has been where the operations to brainwash parts
00:27:59.640 of the united i mean it makes sense it's closer to the united states you operate them out of there
00:28:03.760 and they never really stopped they still hold regular for like american socialists and stuff
00:28:08.680 like that like yearly conventions they basically go and they're told what to do and how to act and
00:28:13.660 how to contact their handlers and yeah i mean it's it's all very organized now a lot of this
00:28:20.560 is organic i will say like it's not all top down but i think more of it is top down than people
00:28:26.940 realize or even the people on the ground implementing the stuff realized and i think
00:28:31.820 It's our job, and I really make an effort to do this, to create a new right or tech right opposite of this, right?
00:28:42.380 Where a fairly small, yet highly organized and value aligned group of individuals can cross coordinate and build messaging across channels, and then use that messaging to whiz careful directionality, break apart, and eventually recreate society in the image that we are aiming for, in the same way the communists achieved, right?
00:29:10.580 the problem is is that the communists were interested in end goals and the old version
00:29:18.260 of conservatism that they were fighting against was very deontological and so they didn't really
00:29:23.100 have a toolkit that could compete against an organization that was focused on like actually
00:29:29.340 winning right like they just cared that they were technically correct in the things that they were
00:29:34.380 doing not that this was going to have some like wider culture war in state right and so they would
00:29:40.780 you know blow stuff up rather you know somebody could point out to them they're like well if you
00:29:44.780 make the movie like that then nobody's gonna buy it right they're like if you make a movie that's
00:29:49.240 all like morally preachy and everything like that and it doesn't have some fun to it then
00:29:53.540 then nobody's gonna watch it and meanwhile the communists were like oh no you know throw in
00:29:57.300 degeneracy throw in whatever right now communists control the media industry and they've made all
00:30:04.080 media all video games shapeless blobs and so we come in we're like hey you know you can throw
00:30:09.600 some sexy women in it without going full degen and people are like no so some of the old writers
00:30:14.580 like no i won't do it's like no this is how we they have handcuffed themselves at this point 1.00
00:30:20.320 they have hobbled themselves at this point we can win the culture war at this point and we
00:30:25.860 the the key to us winning the the next stage of the culture war is ai i think and i think we're
00:30:33.620 beginning to see what that looks like through products like our fab, where we're trying to
00:30:38.000 build like our own AI ecosystem for this space. But in addition to that, you have the skybrow
00:30:45.760 cinematic universe. You have these constant, you know, songs and media that are created with
00:30:50.700 conservative themes and that are catchy. I mean, for example, our kid, the song that he sings
00:30:56.620 most these days is the holy ball song about pronouns like too many too many pronouns and
00:31:03.920 he loves it right like this is the mind of a kid who sees this and has actually been psyops
00:31:12.940 into singing a song regularly as he walks along why about why like the the pronoun community and 0.99
00:31:21.740 alphabet soup community is bad and a problem 0.99
00:31:24.060 m-m-i-w-g-2 1.00
00:31:26.880 s-l-g-b-t-q-q
00:31:29.900 m-m-i-w-g-2 0.77
00:31:32.800 s-l-g-b-t-q-q
00:31:35.760 m-m-i-w-g-2 0.98
00:31:38.760 s-l-g-b-t-q 1.00
00:31:41.040 m-m-a-i-m-l-s-f
00:31:44.320 tuning 0.95
00:31:45.040 l-t-m-r-n-n-d 0.68
00:31:47.220 learning
00:31:47.860 pts fave
00:31:49.220 with an ad burner
00:31:50.820 burn low rock high real transformer that is absolutely astounding to me like if you talk
00:31:57.160 about winning the culture war that's what it looks like okay we don't even like show our kid
00:32:04.240 i wouldn't even understand why anyone would show their kids modern cartoons at this point right
00:32:08.060 like if you're a conservative parent you can watch all the old cartoons for free right like
00:32:13.880 well not i mean we're all paying for youtube premium but yeah i mean i've heard from multiple
00:32:18.400 other parents were like yeah that's all we're watching is old cartoons typically on youtube
00:32:22.080 premium and that's kind of it yeah yeah why are you watching anything else with your kids these
00:32:27.920 days yeah and and i think that that what's also interesting is that it means that they're not
00:32:33.560 watching disney because disney is so talk about disney really shooting themselves in the foot not
00:32:38.120 only uh are they losing this generation of youth in terms of new content and pricing them out of
00:32:44.580 parks as children but they're not going to have disney adults in the next generation because an
00:32:50.500 entire generation of kids wasn't just raised without seeing new disney movies they were raised
00:32:56.760 without seeing old disney movies because disney never making those movies free or easily accessible
00:33:02.460 has been a enormous strategic misstep well yeah and it's a shame too because our kids have
00:33:09.420 occasionally seen on youtube you know like pirated clips of songs from like the lion king or the
00:33:16.380 little mermaid and they're like oh what's this like they're we would be watching old disney
00:33:20.640 movies if we could yeah but we can't so we don't and so they're gonna grow up without any memories
00:33:27.140 of any of those properties our opponents are shooting themselves in the foot we just have to
00:33:31.700 be careful in how we move forwards yeah we have to build out networks which we're already working
00:33:36.900 to do. We need to move forwards with technology where science says, you know, this is too much
00:33:44.260 for me. This is, you know, the left tries to censor the degree to which we can move forward
00:33:49.540 with science. They believed my methods were too radical, too controversial, but there were others
00:33:57.020 in the shadows searching for ways to circumvent their rules. Freed from my shackles, the pace of
00:34:06.260 our research hastened together we delved deeper into those areas forbidden by law and by fears
00:34:14.840 and with this knowledge what new world could we build but that's the basic plan that we need
00:34:25.500 in terms and we've been funding this stuff from behind the scenes like some of it has been found
00:34:29.520 out with money that we raise they're like oh you funded x sketchy technology it's like yeah we're
00:34:34.820 moving forwards and we maintain access lines to the technology that we're getting so when and if
00:34:41.620 state structures start to break down we know who to call up to begin to set up you know gene labs
00:34:48.560 and stuff like that in other places to begin to set up modular nuclear reactors to begin to set up
00:34:54.340 fabs that can print basically anything you want at a fairly low cost to begin to set up
00:34:59.360 i mean i don't want to go over all the technology that we've been sourcing but yeah i mean we've
00:35:03.420 been moving forwards on everything we need for self-sustaining settlements and stuff like that
00:35:09.680 to be able to then push from there back into and our goal as a reminder is not to capture all of
00:35:18.260 society it's not to capture all of culture it's to capture the efficacious individual with a high
00:35:23.660 degree of work ethic and a high degree of intelligence yeah it's to create a sustainable
00:35:27.800 ecosystem of autonomous, independent, and quite varied cultures and groups who can inherit the
00:35:35.360 future together. And also, you know, intermix, learn from each other, cultivate resilience among
00:35:40.100 each other. Well, they don't need to intermix if they don't want to. No, of course, if they don't
00:35:43.800 want to. Intermix, like share technology and ideas so that we can use the technology to
00:35:50.320 move ourselves forwards. And this is why we see it as very important to not be overly aggressive
00:35:56.140 towards groups that are persistently high technology um we have to find a way for those
00:36:01.800 groups to work with each other because that's all that matters in the in the future the age of ai
00:36:05.840 and the age of space travel we simply do not need to lower ourselves to the savages right
00:36:11.780 if the communists captured the savages and made them impotent we don't need them anymore we can
00:36:17.240 replace them that's what ai gives us the tools to do and people are like well ai has a leftist bias
00:36:22.280 It's completely irrelevant if you use the right prompts, right?
00:36:25.280 Like if you, that's one of the things as RFAB,
00:36:27.840 you could even create just a regular AI engine
00:36:30.120 that has a prompt reminding it to not be woke
00:36:32.960 and it won't be woke, right?
00:36:34.400 Like it's very easy.
00:36:35.180 What people would push back and say
00:36:37.160 is you can't change the fact
00:36:38.560 that the training data available to-
00:36:40.920 Yes, you can.
00:36:41.740 You literally can. 1.00
00:36:43.040 This is so annoying and so stupid. 1.00
00:36:44.960 It does not matter that an AI has a leftist bias 1.00
00:36:48.260 if you are engaging with the AI
00:36:50.780 without any prompting that is negating the leftist bias if you well wait malcolm when literally
00:36:57.920 people are choosing not to publish peer-reviewed research that confirms many conservative stances
00:37:04.240 for example and then disproportionately you see a lot of peer-reviewed research that is published
00:37:08.900 that confirms more left-leaning stances even if you're prompting ai to answer a certain way you
00:37:14.460 can't change the fact that the available information simone that's factually wrong
00:37:19.260 okay explain that to me and it and it actually like these people who are saying this stuff are
00:37:24.520 deep enemies of the conservative movement because they are trying to psyops the conservative movement
00:37:28.580 into a learned helplessness the reality is is that if you put prompt into an ai telling it to
00:37:35.320 take on a conservative persona or a persona of ex-religious background or a persona of a person
00:37:41.260 with why beliefs that are like the beliefs of the host of the show base camp or something like that
00:37:46.060 after going through what those beliefs were it will with a high degree of veracity follow
00:37:52.680 that prompting structure the fact that you can't get an ai that you have not prompted to it's this
00:38:00.660 is basically what it's like it's like me going to an image generation ai and a person says to me
00:38:05.500 they go malcolm image generation ais weren't all trained on anime and so if you just ask it to make
00:38:12.160 art it almost never makes anime art and i'm like all of mine on our fab always create anime art
00:38:18.720 and they go huh how do you get it to do that and i go because it silently puts the words
00:38:24.360 anime style before every request you tarred sorry like this actually gets me because it is such a 0.95
00:38:33.080 stupid level of learned helplessness that it fires me up it's like somebody comes to me and 0.95
00:38:39.100 they go we need to ban chainsaws and I go why and they show me this stump where their arm used to be 1.00
00:38:45.020 and they go because they can cut off your arm and I'm like oh my god did the chainsaw do that on its
00:38:49.360 own and they're like no I put my arm on a tree stump and then I chainsawed it off it's like so
00:38:54.920 you did it it's like when people are like oh look I got the AI to do a terrible thing and it's like
00:38:59.160 how did you do it and it's like well I told it to do a terrible thing and it's like it's just trying
00:39:03.440 to do what you told it to if you prompt an AI to do something without any direction not to do it
00:39:08.500 in a certain way, when you know it has a proclivity to do things in that way, then of course it's
00:39:13.260 going to act in that way. We all know this. We know how AI works. We know how token predictors
00:39:18.940 work. You need to provide a prompt that prevents it from acting this way. It's not that it's
00:39:24.560 impossible that the thing that they're talking about could be a problem. If it was true that
00:39:28.420 no matter what prompting you put in, or you could prove to me that no matter what prompting you put
00:39:32.400 in, that you could not get a sane answer out of the AI, then I would say, oh, that's very
00:39:37.900 interesting and very concerning but the people who look into this i have not seen any of them
00:39:43.640 attempt to show me that yet instead what they show me is without any prompting attempting to correct
00:39:49.640 this that ai does what we would predict it to do based on how much the left has controlled the
00:39:55.960 training data and culture for so long which isn't interesting to me and it can be used to get other
00:40:03.440 people who otherwise would intelligently engage with ai and find ways around this to not engage
00:40:09.440 with ai which ends up nerfing our own side which is why i crash out over this so hard and the thing
00:40:15.860 that gets me angry the most is learned helplessness or encouraging learned helplessness
00:40:20.360 simone would know this from our relationship like if you go and somebody says i don't know
00:40:24.520 how to do something i'm like well did you try to figure it out and they're like well no it's like
00:40:28.820 Well, then don't come to me until you at least try first.
00:40:32.400 It is irrelevant that this is in the training data of AI.
00:40:36.580 AIs can easily get around their training data with prompting.
00:40:39.600 And if you can't get around it with the first layer of prompting, then you get around it with a second layer of prompting.
00:40:43.820 Or you can run a secondary AI.
00:40:45.680 I'm not talking about the training data.
00:40:47.760 I'm talking about also available information, like just what is out there.
00:40:51.560 And if we are able to deduce what is true from what is out there, AI can deduce what is true from what is out there using the same internal heuristics that we use to determine what is true.
00:41:05.640 If you read the book, The Pragmatist Guide to Life, we go over this in an extreme amount of detail.
00:41:11.240 How can you determine what is true when you are looking at evidence from a captured industry?
00:41:16.020 So you can say something like, if a big oil company puts out a report about how bad oil is for the environment or something like that, you can be more sure that's true than if they put out a report saying oil isn't bad for the environment.
00:41:31.620 If a global warming nonprofit or a major university institution puts out a paper saying, oh, you know, global warming is happening faster than anyone expected, right?
00:41:43.220 You can say, okay, I can't really trust that.
00:41:45.120 if they put out something that disconfirms their agenda and there's like 50 points we go through
00:41:50.980 in our book that goes through various ways to tell even when you're dealing with captured
00:41:55.740 institutions when you're dealing with information that is more likely to be true or information that
00:42:00.400 is less likely to be true you can then feed these heuristics into ai and somebody could then say
00:42:05.840 well what if it still gets it wrong on the first output it's like then you use a multi-layered
00:42:10.520 output. This is what, if you go to rfab.ai and then you go to our super search feature, this is
00:42:16.160 what we use. We do multi-layered AI web searches using different mainstream models where they
00:42:21.740 basically go through and they have to confirm point by point what every one of the other models
00:42:25.940 output. And it is very good at removing both hallucinations and bias. I can further remove
00:42:32.220 bias by putting in prompting to make it more explicitly conservative if I wanted to. But what
00:42:36.880 I've noticed is that the vast majority of time when I have heard conservatives complain about 1.00
00:42:42.320 bias in AI, they're just being stupid. They are crashing out about something where the AI is right 0.99
00:42:48.960 and they simply were unaware. In fact, I will go further. I will say around 75% of the times
00:42:55.940 I get a comment in show notes saying, Malcolm, you have made a mistake by believing in AI
00:43:00.860 hallucination. And then I double check it. It turns out the AI was right. And the person who
00:43:06.220 said i believed an ai hallucination was wrong your average human is worse at determining
00:43:11.200 hallucinations than ais great example somebody was like oh austria was never split into two
00:43:15.940 countries like germany during the cold war that's an ai hallucination i go and check it no it
00:43:20.260 absolutely was but it would have been very easy there was a great example recently where i was
00:43:25.040 just like oh my god somebody said something with an ai hallucination and i go check and i'm like
00:43:28.920 do you remember what it was simone this has happened so many times i don't have a specific
00:43:32.900 instance okay so you know that like it happens all the time with us somebody will accuse us of
00:43:36.720 an ai hallucination it turns out the ai is right yeah and i'll look it up or well it's also just
00:43:40.860 other stuff they're like did you know this and then i'll look it up and it's not quite true but
00:43:45.800 then you know we have a lot of a lot of other people who give us really good feedback so you
00:43:50.340 know yeah it's not that i've never fallen for an ai hallucination in the show it's just that the
00:43:54.560 majority of time i get called out for it it wasn't i think also more importantly you literally build
00:43:58.660 tools like super surf.ai to like overcome them because you do care about avoiding hallucinations
00:44:05.700 somebody stopped using our products with their kid because they were using the whistling system
00:44:09.980 like you know in bodies and this was because the kid asks them about like when the when jewish
00:44:17.560 slaves built the pyramids and then it replied saying biblically accurately jewish slaves did
00:44:24.540 not build the pyramids they built supply depots outside of i think memphis and that you have a
00:44:30.400 cartoonish vision of christian history that you learn and and well they didn't insult the kid
00:44:35.560 but they just tried to gently explain that that isn't what the bible says and the parent crashed
00:44:40.300 out a parent by the way who had an oxford degree in theology so okay but a lot of people are just
00:44:48.180 very confident about things and then they get mad when the e when the ai doesn't affirm their
00:44:52.420 confidence, right? But to continue here, we could go into Yuri Bezmanov, which people often like to
00:44:58.000 talk to you in this subject. We could. I just want to say that one thing that really is hitting me
00:45:04.320 with all this, going back to the commies winning, is that when I was in school and also just
00:45:10.740 generally growing up, this idea of the Red Scare and of people blacklisting people who are suspected
00:45:17.560 to have communist sympathies was framed as both just super overwrought and pointless and also
00:45:24.860 misguided like oh these people weren't actually communists and these people weren't actually
00:45:28.900 it's come out that most of the major figures who like we were taught in school were unfairly
00:45:33.360 judged actually were communist okay so yeah i was wondering if that was the case and also now it
00:45:38.700 just hits me that like we we actually have not done that enough there there wasn't enough of a
00:45:45.400 red scare or we kind of stopped and we're like oh i guess we won the cold war the communist threat
00:45:51.100 is over and then it just it all like who knew who knew that and like my view is totally changed on
00:45:59.100 that because i really grew up thinking like oh a bunch of people went on this witch hunt and they
00:46:03.360 do the sanctimonious like oh he's a commie when he wasn't and and yet like here's this hit list
00:46:08.720 of things they wanted to do and all of the like well certainly not all the boxes i'm sure there
00:46:13.800 must be some things that weren't achieved but everything you read off box ticked you know
00:46:18.540 mission accomplished so yeah it's it's just it's kind of mind-blowing to me that this witch hunt
00:46:25.340 that i've been told about all my life well one the witches were real two we didn't hunt them hard 0.54
00:46:32.560 enough and three the witches won we should live in their twisted healthy country we should be
00:46:39.480 treating anyone with any communist connection the same way we treat people with nazi connections 0.98
00:46:43.300 they the communists killed more people than the nazis did they are throughout history a more evil
00:46:49.460 political faction than the nazis ever were in terms of the the brutality of the things that
00:46:54.240 they did and i'm like by the way i that's saying a lot to say this but like if for example you
00:47:02.900 compare the concentration camps that the nazis had which i have read about the the worst descriptions
00:47:09.040 of them they simply do not compare in terms of cruelty to the concentration camps of the khmer
00:47:14.200 rouge like the khmer rouge concentration camps simone you want to cover your ears for this
00:47:18.320 oh my god cover your ears take out your thing 0.97
00:47:21.360 they would when you go into the camp they would have rotting babies they had cut out of pregnant 0.85
00:47:29.640 women hanging from umbilical cords on the entrance way uh they would take children and
00:47:36.080 bury them in animals up to their face and let the ants slowly sting and kill them they would have 0.85
00:47:42.780 children uh brutally kill their own parents um like okay you can come back now i can't re-watch 0.96
00:47:50.460 this episode because unlike the nazis who you know when they would kill people they'd use gases
00:47:57.960 and stuff like this the khmer rouge would just because they didn't want to waste the the money
00:48:02.500 of bullets in the killing fields just bring them out and beat them to death you know it costs money
00:48:08.300 in calories they didn't care about that so i want to give you an idea of like a note here here we're
00:48:16.760 not even talking about like other things you're like well that's just a what did the the russians
00:48:21.260 do they did things like left people on islands to starve to death and all kill each other slowly
00:48:27.340 like again i am not underselling the genuine horror of what the nazis did they did some of
00:48:33.500 the most horrifying acts in history it's just like when you compare like to like communists
00:48:38.980 are generally worst the the the worst and and they did like okay sorry i should go they experimented
00:48:46.560 on children nazi did they mass killed people in really painful ways they killed children like 0.85
00:48:51.560 all the horrible things they did it's just maybe they weren't as creative as the khmer rouge were
00:48:57.220 in instances but yeah horrifying but let's go to yuri bezman off here but the reason i'm saying
00:49:04.740 this is we need to treat these two the same way anyone who has ever affiliated themselves with a
00:49:09.240 communist organization should be absolutely the same way like not necessarily removed from society
00:49:16.820 but the same way that like you can't get a job if you were affiliated with a nazi organization or
00:49:19.980 you'd be hounded out of politics or you'd be we need to whenever they're like oh a nazi came to
00:49:24.920 one of your events you're like did a communist come to one of your events have you checked for
00:49:28.420 that because we've got to be realistic about this we've got to keep a clear eye at history and how
00:49:34.820 evil these groups are and they're in goals you can see here that when they say they care about
00:49:40.560 things like native groups that they explicitly had it in their planning to remove colonialist
00:49:46.360 powers from native regions before those regions had the ability to self-govern because they wanted
00:49:52.100 to cause suffering on those groups so they could take over and we saw this we could go into like
00:49:57.160 what happened was india and churchill trying to prevent them from pulling out fast enough and it
00:50:01.500 ended up causing one of the most like india and pakistan going to war with each other when that
00:50:05.660 absolutely didn't need to happen if they had just waited and carried out the plan that churchill was
00:50:09.720 trying to carry out but that's a whole other thing we're not going to go into but to continue here
00:50:14.760 yuri besmanoff is a former communist he's the one from leaflet song about college where yeah that's
00:50:20.320 All I know of Yuri Bezmenov was he was right, per leaflet.
00:50:24.560 That's like where it starts. 0.70
00:50:26.540 So he said the plan for the Russian communists was demoralization 15 to 20 years, focus on
00:50:32.540 the school and education system, corrupt the education system, media, art, and religion
00:50:35.960 to erode moral values, patriotism, critical thinking, and cultural identity, to pump Marxist
00:50:41.580 Leninist ideology into students via teachers, textbooks, and university, promote relativism,
00:50:45.900 destroy traditional standards, make people unable to access true information even when presented
00:50:50.560 with facts. He explicitly mentioned that by the 1980s, this had already affected generations of
00:50:56.120 American students. Destabilization, two to five years, the economy, foreign relations, defense,
00:51:01.640 and social fabric create chaos and division, then crisis up to six weeks, i.e. COVID, precipitate a
00:51:07.640 major upheaval where people demand radical change, and then normalization. The new subverted system
00:51:12.200 becomes accepted as normal, often was forced to stabilize it under the new ideology. Useful
00:51:17.440 idiots, leftists, activists, academics, etc. from earliest stages are no longer needed and now may 1.00
00:51:23.260 need to be eliminated, as we saw in the Islamist revolution in Iran. So communists won. And now 0.93
00:51:29.420 we need to fight back, but we're winning against them right now because it turns out that when
00:51:34.620 they have power, having gained it through all of these systems, the one thing they didn't think
00:51:39.360 about is how are we going to still win the war of art when we've made all of our games actively
00:51:44.100 unfun and ugly how are we going to actively win media if we've made everything unfun and ugly
00:51:48.700 when people can no longer trust education how does controlling these organizations have any 0.84
00:51:53.880 institutional power right when somebody the ai guy was like well you can't trust
00:51:58.020 educational institutions to do good science when i'm getting my science i don't often get it from
00:52:03.360 educational institutions i'm like going through independent sub stacks these days and stuff like
00:52:07.900 that because everybody knows that's where the best research is done right like we pointed this out
00:52:11.680 everyone i know who's like an independent like really good researcher in field zone nobody goes
00:52:16.780 to the academics anymore as the first line of defense because it's just not where the cutting
00:52:20.080 edge research is you want to go cutting edge sexuality research you're going ayla you want
00:52:23.900 to go cutting edge genetics research you're going emil kirkagard or razib khan right like you simply
00:52:29.360 aren't going to the academics anymore because they're not any good anymore right they lost
00:52:34.580 that obviously the sheep still follow them the sheep still repeat but you don't need to
00:52:39.760 and people can be like well how do you get an ai to not listen to the sheep you tell it not to i do
00:52:45.040 not it's it's like not trying step one of fixing the problem and then getting mad at the thing
00:52:52.120 right like going into an ai that you know has a bias and not putting in a prompt to correct for
00:52:57.760 that bias and then getting mad at the ai is like the image of the guy sticking the stick in the
00:53:04.060 spokes of the bicycle and then the bicycle falls over and then he says bicycle how could you fall
00:53:09.440 over you know what i should do i'm gonna do this on the website okay next feature i'm gonna make
00:53:18.920 is gonna be based ai so i'm gonna have a number of ways that correct for bias in ai and then create
00:53:25.600 normal ai interactions with top of line models outside of any of the mainstream ecosystems
00:53:31.240 systems maybe even have it run by default in alloy mode which will be different from like a
00:53:36.720 generic companion or narrative engine or something like that that's what i'm gonna do i'm gonna fix
00:53:40.580 this for you guys who can't figure out how to fix it on your own so that we don't have this
00:53:44.540 problem anymore and you can just come to rfab.ai and get your base ai takes works for me i love
00:53:53.340 you malcolm this scares me but i mean we already knew things were bad we just didn't know it was
00:54:00.080 also kind of a communist plan. So, okay, fine. Okay. Okay. All right. Love you, Simone. Have 0.89
00:54:11.460 a good one. You too. Bye, gorgeous. Can't wait. All right. And dinner tonight, what
00:54:23.200 is the story so it looks like my dad's just gonna stay at the hospital so and i think minka will be
00:54:31.160 there too she's gonna bring him our the thai curry i made so i can make you thai curry with more
00:54:38.400 curry paste or we can do hot dog and french fry night like we'd planned oh we do have to eat the
00:54:43.760 french fries at the hot dog at some point let's just do hot dogs and french fries are we doing
00:54:48.180 it with potatoes or are they like pre-made french fries they're pre-made french fries that i'm going
00:54:52.300 add some additional we'll see if we can make them good that would be an interesting experiment
00:54:57.080 yeah i mean add a little bit of msg chop up some onion or some what do we have oh for the
00:55:04.400 hot dog i have i saved the shallot that you bought so yeah so shallot would be nice yeah
00:55:10.640 you have all the sauces a billion sauces so so that's you know all right i think you'll be just
00:55:17.920 fine sir. All right let's see here what do you see?