Based Camp - A Deeper Dive Into the Alt-Right Femboy Catgirls with with Brian Chau

00:00:00.000 This episode specifically was in part an excuse for me

00:00:04.940 to interrogate the love lives of my Zoomer friends.

00:00:09.060 I am on the older side of the Zoomers.

00:00:12.340 And yeah, I basically asked, I asked around,

00:00:16.160 I asked all three of the alt-right Catboys

00:00:18.920 that I know in real life.

00:00:23.020 Yeah, and basically tried to get a kind of just all,

00:00:28.920 like we were talking about a kind of summary of their love lives.

00:00:35.500 People were very happy to offer, you know,

00:00:37.860 these kind of predilections, being into,

00:00:40.120 especially a certain type of anime girls.

00:00:41.880 I feel like there is, if you talk about a real life person

00:00:46.100 who you're attracted to,

00:00:47.680 I think there's this soft idea of civil rights law

00:00:50.620 coming after you, or people you know,

00:00:53.700 who feel, who are like similar in appearance,

00:00:56.520 feeling uncomfortable with that.

00:00:57.920 And that's something that Zoomers kind of want to avoid.

00:01:01.260 But the same is not true for anime girls.

00:01:04.600 So it's almost considerable.

00:01:05.840 This is like this kind of weird post-sexuality thing.

00:01:09.700 Would you like to know more?

00:01:11.020 Well, hello.

00:01:11.820 We are super excited to have a VIP guest with us today,

00:01:15.040 Brian Chow.

00:01:15.880 He is first and foremost, in our minds, of course,

00:01:19.400 and from the past quite a while,

00:01:21.700 the host of the amazing podcast, From the New World.

00:01:24.460 Really good long listen if you are looking for something good

00:01:27.980 to listen to, to learn from.

00:01:31.160 Amazing interviews.

00:01:32.380 But more recently, Brian has become a senior machine learning policy fellow

00:01:36.960 at the Alliance for the Future,

00:01:38.800 something that we shall talk about in another episode with him.

00:01:42.020 But today, I think we're going to get into something really interesting.

00:01:45.380 Brian, do you want to kick us off here?

00:01:47.240 Right, so I was listening to another great podcast,

00:01:52.280 Basecamp, with Simone and Malcolm Collins.

00:01:56.620 Yeah, so I listened to an episode that you guys did on your own about,

00:02:02.060 it was one of the ones about Zoomer sexuality.

00:02:04.580 And I thought, I have so many takes on this.

00:02:07.300 And I'm not populating my sub stack with my Zoomer sexuality takes.

00:02:11.520 Maybe like the paid feed.

00:02:12.880 But, you know, there's so many other things that I'm working on right now

00:02:17.000 that I just want to be more,

00:02:18.840 I just want the sub stack to be more laser focused on.

00:02:21.680 The podcast is more laser focused on.

00:02:23.160 More serious.

00:02:24.220 Yeah, you're high culture.

00:02:25.660 We're low culture.

00:02:26.540 Serious, okay.

00:02:27.320 Yeah, yeah, we will be talking about that eventually.

00:02:30.200 And yeah, I thought this was a great venue to talk about it.

00:02:33.820 I think that we have, you know, some similarities,

00:02:35.960 some disagreements probably.

00:02:37.800 But I do think that there's just not enough,

00:02:40.140 there's just not enough like horizontal exploration of this idea, right?

00:02:44.800 This idea of kind of changing the axis,

00:02:50.140 changing how people interpret sexuality,

00:02:52.920 the kind of like default narrative.

00:02:54.260 This is the theme of my podcast often.

00:02:57.020 So there's this kind of default narrative.

00:02:58.600 And this is like orthogonal to like the actual thing that's happening.

00:03:01.300 I think the episode, of course, that really, really struck through to me

00:03:07.260 was the one about, I think, like submissive and dominance.

00:03:10.600 But also, you know, also, this wasn't, this was actually after,

00:03:16.420 this was released after I reached out to you guys,

00:03:18.800 but also the one on alt-right cat girls.

00:03:21.300 That is a very, very important topic of our generation.

00:03:24.400 No, it's such a thing is that the concept of the alt-right cat girl

00:03:28.500 I keep seeing and the, as the right has,

00:03:32.780 because it used to be like the left was sex positive

00:03:35.180 and the right was sex negative to some extent.

00:03:37.840 And now the left has totally seeded any,

00:03:41.240 any manifestation that is sex, sex positive for men.

00:03:47.180 You know, if I'm, if I want my Overwatch to have, you know,

00:03:51.160 sexy tracer butt, that is a right-wing idea,

00:03:54.760 which is really interesting.

00:03:56.120 Right, it's the ball, it's the barstool conservatives, right?

00:04:00.840 It's the, yeah, yeah, the, the party of, the party of horny men

00:04:04.660 and also the people who hate horny men the most.

00:04:07.000 Yeah, I think that's a good description of the Republican Party.

00:04:09.800 Although, you know, although some of the, some of the,

00:04:12.860 the, the right, the right-wing elite, you know,

00:04:15.120 are coming around to it.

00:04:16.580 Have you guys talked about Bronze Age Pervert on the show?

00:04:19.420 No.

00:04:19.600 I'd love for you to go deeper.

00:04:22.380 Yeah.

00:04:22.800 Okay, okay.

00:04:23.920 So, yeah, so Bronze Age Pervert is this,

00:04:27.000 very hard to describe in one sentence.

00:04:29.340 His, his philosophy is Nietzsche and bodybuilding.

00:04:35.160 Done, easy.

00:04:36.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:36.700 You describe him as like a poet.

00:04:38.620 He's much more interested in conveying poetry

00:04:41.360 and an aesthetic than specific ideas

00:04:43.900 in a way that is really interesting

00:04:46.660 and a new art form that works within the online medium.

00:04:49.840 Yeah, it's very practiced affectation.

00:04:52.780 Yes, but I fear that sometimes people confuse

00:04:56.740 what he's saying with a systematically

00:04:59.440 and internally consistent world perspective,

00:05:02.160 which it's not.

00:05:03.080 It's an aesthetically consistent moral perspective,

00:05:05.880 but not really a logically consistent moral perspective.

00:05:09.880 Right, right.

00:05:10.460 I mean, this is something that I try to do as well.

00:05:12.940 There's, you know, there's,

00:05:14.440 if you look at the history of it,

00:05:15.900 there's, you know, political theory,

00:05:17.140 you know, there's like Hobbes' long treatises

00:05:20.020 on, you know, how to run a state

00:05:22.620 and the role of the citizen within the state.

00:05:25.440 And, you know, that's one thing.

00:05:28.020 I think that, you know,

00:05:29.140 other than autistic theory nerds,

00:05:31.080 very few people are going to read anything like that.

00:05:33.580 Maybe for your political science class,

00:05:35.220 you know, maybe there are like kids

00:05:36.640 who are sitting through their political science class

00:05:38.600 who are listening to this.

00:05:39.660 And then there's, on the other hand,

00:05:43.920 these kind of like fully affective manifestos.

00:05:47.900 And usually the way that I see it bridged

00:05:50.480 is I see people giving like Straussian interpretations

00:05:54.220 of basically artworks or of culture,

00:05:58.220 of different approaches to these things.

00:06:00.460 And using that as a way to create something

00:06:03.520 that is normative,

00:06:07.020 that is creating some sort of logical order,

00:06:10.720 but without necessarily committing to,

00:06:13.640 you know, the kind of legalism

00:06:15.120 of someone like Hobbes.

00:06:17.900 I think that's the goal of the Bronze Age mindset.

00:06:20.580 It's a lot more obvious if you look at,

00:06:23.080 for example,

00:06:23.620 I think Christopher Rufo is a good example of this.

00:06:26.300 Yeah.

00:06:26.640 Of someone who is,

00:06:28.240 like Christopher Rufo supports specific policies,

00:06:31.440 I'm not sure he has like a consistent political theory,

00:06:35.220 you know,

00:06:35.520 like a theory of how the world works,

00:06:37.940 how the political system should works

00:06:39.500 in the same way that,

00:06:41.020 you know,

00:06:41.300 like classical liberalism

00:06:42.600 or, you know,

00:06:43.600 like Burkean conservatism is a political theory.

00:06:46.620 It's very different from that,

00:06:47.980 but he does have both an aesthetic

00:06:49.580 and, you know,

00:06:50.240 at least like a direction

00:06:51.340 or a combination of things

00:06:52.640 that he's trying to accomplish.

00:06:54.380 Yeah.

00:06:54.880 Well, I'd love to hear

00:06:55.800 what's your thesis

00:06:56.880 on how gender and sexuality are changing,

00:06:59.320 personally.

00:07:00.580 Right.

00:07:00.960 So there's just like a huge dominance shortage.

00:07:04.140 Right.

00:07:04.320 You just see this.

00:07:05.340 You see this everywhere.

00:07:06.280 Actually,

00:07:06.720 I'm not sure like how everywhere you see this.

00:07:09.640 Right.

00:07:09.860 But this was in part,

00:07:12.400 like this episode specifically

00:07:14.100 was in part an excuse for me

00:07:17.580 to interrogate the love lives

00:07:19.820 of my Zoomer friends.

00:07:21.640 I am on the older side of the Zoomers.

00:07:24.440 I have many,

00:07:25.040 you know,

00:07:25.380 many friends.

00:07:26.360 Some of them,

00:07:26.840 I assure you,

00:07:27.580 are good people.

00:07:29.560 And yeah,

00:07:30.260 I basically asked,

00:07:31.620 I asked around,

00:07:33.400 I talked about,

00:07:34.580 you know,

00:07:35.440 what issues we were going to discuss.

00:07:36.760 I asked all three of the alt-right catboys

00:07:39.700 that I know in real life.

00:07:43.880 Yeah.

00:07:44.760 And basically tried to get

00:07:48.080 a kind of gestalt,

00:07:49.820 like we were talking about,

00:07:51.900 a kind of summary

00:07:53.380 of their love lives.

00:07:55.120 and,

00:07:56.820 you know,

00:07:58.020 my,

00:07:58.180 my old advice,

00:08:00.440 my old advice

00:08:01.780 to my fellow Zoomers

00:08:03.600 was just,

00:08:04.640 you know,

00:08:05.100 it's actually very similar

00:08:06.180 to something that you talked about

00:08:07.400 in,

00:08:08.480 in,

00:08:08.740 in your book

00:08:09.360 that,

00:08:10.160 you know,

00:08:10.520 10Xing the number of people

00:08:11.940 you interact with

00:08:13.420 does,

00:08:14.300 accomplishes the same thing

00:08:15.620 as making yourself

00:08:16.660 10X more attractive.

00:08:18.100 Right.

00:08:18.400 Like the chance of finding someone,

00:08:21.140 the chance of finding someone good

00:08:22.800 is,

00:08:23.420 is the same

00:08:24.100 if you,

00:08:25.040 if you do both of those things,

00:08:26.380 right?

00:08:26.880 If you're,

00:08:27.240 if you're specifically looking

00:08:28.360 for one person

00:08:29.080 who is,

00:08:29.540 you know,

00:08:29.660 compatible with you.

00:08:30.980 So before you say no,

00:08:32.540 I want to make way

00:08:33.400 to predictions

00:08:33.980 so that you can correct me

00:08:35.080 where I'm wrong

00:08:35.680 or where I think

00:08:36.960 Gen Z is.

00:08:38.220 And I want you to like,

00:08:39.360 from your interview,

00:08:40.080 this is where you're totally off.

00:08:41.960 So one is,

00:08:43.180 or maybe there's more

00:08:43.980 than two things.

00:08:44.620 Basically,

00:08:45.020 they're not having sex

00:08:46.100 or they're moving more

00:08:47.300 in a direction of asexuality

00:08:48.940 or post-sexuality

00:08:50.540 that there's,

00:08:51.640 there is more conservatism,

00:08:53.720 but not in ways

00:08:54.680 that you would expect.

00:08:55.760 It's not,

00:08:56.440 oh,

00:08:56.480 we should go back

00:08:57.180 to the old ways

00:08:58.420 or the traditional ways

00:08:59.400 or religious ways,

00:09:00.300 but more like

00:09:01.100 men and women

00:09:02.260 are quite different.

00:09:03.780 Maybe we should bring back

00:09:05.320 monogamy,

00:09:06.880 you know,

00:09:07.080 like things are really bad

00:09:08.120 right now,

00:09:08.680 but then also like

00:09:10.160 extreme levels of,

00:09:11.520 relationship nihilism.

00:09:13.720 Like,

00:09:14.000 not if it matters,

00:09:15.120 I'm going to be alone forever.

00:09:16.400 Like the same,

00:09:17.280 the same thing

00:09:17.860 that millennials experienced

00:09:19.060 with wealth.

00:09:20.300 Like,

00:09:20.740 I'm never going to be able

00:09:21.480 to afford a house

00:09:22.320 or I'm never going to

00:09:22.920 not have student debt.

00:09:24.300 Gen Z is going through

00:09:25.760 with,

00:09:26.480 with sex

00:09:27.340 and relationship

00:09:28.300 and marriage.

00:09:29.060 Well,

00:09:29.500 I'm never going to get married.

00:09:30.940 I'm never going to have a spouse.

00:09:31.920 I'm never going to have kids.

00:09:32.980 So where,

00:09:33.940 where am I wrong here?

00:09:35.860 Yeah,

00:09:36.020 the relationship

00:09:36.860 humorism

00:09:37.500 is definitely

00:09:38.520 a real thing.

00:09:40.440 That,

00:09:40.880 that is almost

00:09:41.620 100% right.

00:09:43.400 There are people

00:09:44.120 I know

00:09:44.560 who have

00:09:45.060 a kind of

00:09:45.520 conservative disposition

00:09:46.940 who are

00:09:48.280 basically like,

00:09:51.080 well,

00:09:51.900 I'm not going to

00:09:52.740 find a trad wife

00:09:53.620 anyway,

00:09:53.980 so might as well,

00:09:55.260 you know,

00:09:55.780 do hookups

00:09:56.340 or whatever.

00:09:57.220 Hmm.

00:09:57.420 that is a real thing.

00:10:00.020 I do think it is

00:10:00.860 a real

00:10:01.560 and very common thing.

00:10:03.540 I should say

00:10:04.300 for the audience,

00:10:05.040 you know,

00:10:05.340 that this doesn't matter

00:10:06.140 a lot.

00:10:06.840 It is mostly,

00:10:07.840 you know,

00:10:08.040 like college educated

00:10:09.100 people,

00:10:10.340 probably like

00:10:11.100 more,

00:10:13.020 more Asian,

00:10:13.900 but not like that Asian.

00:10:16.100 But,

00:10:16.560 but yeah,

00:10:16.860 you know,

00:10:17.400 what you would expect

00:10:18.800 on like

00:10:19.600 an MIT-ish campus,

00:10:21.580 right?

00:10:22.300 Or not,

00:10:22.760 you know,

00:10:22.940 not MIT specifically.

00:10:24.060 So continue.

00:10:24.760 I want to hear specifically.

00:10:25.980 So you interviewed

00:10:26.520 three people.

00:10:27.660 What did they say?

00:10:28.200 Oh,

00:10:28.300 I interviewed a lot

00:10:28.900 more than three people.

00:10:29.880 I interviewed a lot

00:10:30.420 more than three people.

00:10:31.400 Yeah.

00:10:31.880 So the number one thing

00:10:33.040 when it comes to

00:10:33.680 the other topic,

00:10:35.660 right,

00:10:36.100 which is this kind of,

00:10:38.060 I don't think

00:10:38.600 it's a conservatism.

00:10:40.220 It's a kind of

00:10:41.660 porn addiction.

00:10:42.920 I don't know.

00:10:43.580 It's,

00:10:43.980 I think,

00:10:45.800 Simone,

00:10:46.140 when you were on

00:10:46.700 my podcast,

00:10:47.580 you talked about

00:10:48.520 the best alternative

00:10:49.760 to no agreement

00:10:51.820 or something like that.

00:10:53.100 Yeah.

00:10:53.300 for people in relationships.

00:10:55.300 So the best alternative

00:10:56.380 to a negotiated offer,

00:10:57.980 essentially,

00:10:58.460 like,

00:10:59.100 what are you going to do

00:10:59.540 if you don't get a deal?

00:11:00.700 That's,

00:11:01.040 that's what it seems like.

00:11:02.160 A lot of people are just,

00:11:03.560 you know,

00:11:04.660 it's a very happy equilibrium

00:11:06.240 for them to just be

00:11:07.720 like jerking off to porn.

00:11:10.200 That's their,

00:11:11.040 you know,

00:11:11.280 that's their main

00:11:12.120 way to consume

00:11:14.300 sexuality.

00:11:15.720 And they really,

00:11:16.840 there are a lot of people

00:11:17.780 who,

00:11:18.780 you know,

00:11:19.020 just know like all kinds

00:11:20.180 of crazy things,

00:11:21.660 know all kinds of,

00:11:22.900 you know,

00:11:23.140 tricks in order

00:11:24.080 to pleasure themselves

00:11:25.080 who really have

00:11:27.540 no relationship

00:11:28.420 experience whatsoever.

00:11:29.940 Maybe they've done

00:11:30.520 hookups or something

00:11:31.140 like that.

00:11:31.820 But this is a very,

00:11:32.600 this is a very common

00:11:33.480 thing that happens

00:11:34.900 where I think

00:11:36.480 they'll log on

00:11:37.460 to an internet forum.

00:11:38.500 They have,

00:11:38.900 they're like people

00:11:39.480 with no social skills.

00:11:41.540 And I do mean

00:11:42.700 like none.

00:11:44.340 This is not

00:11:45.120 an exaggeration.

00:11:46.000 And they'll log on

00:11:46.660 to like these internet forums

00:11:47.760 and just talk to,

00:11:50.260 just talk to like

00:11:51.000 strangers online.

00:11:51.860 That's their default,

00:11:52.620 right?

00:11:52.780 You know,

00:11:53.300 you,

00:11:53.720 you,

00:11:54.040 you go on Stack Overflow

00:11:55.140 to solve your

00:11:56.340 computer science problems.

00:11:57.820 I thought you said

00:11:58.300 to solve your

00:11:58.900 relationship problems.

00:11:59.920 I'm like,

00:12:00.200 this is something.

00:12:01.700 Yeah.

00:12:02.140 Yeah.

00:12:02.380 So people are going,

00:12:03.640 people are going

00:12:04.360 on Reddit forums

00:12:05.280 and,

00:12:06.140 and like Twitter,

00:12:07.160 x.com,

00:12:08.320 you know,

00:12:08.840 yeah,

00:12:09.240 they're going

00:12:11.740 on the

00:12:12.040 appropriately named

00:12:12.960 x.com to ask

00:12:14.360 for their

00:12:15.600 relationship advice

00:12:17.660 and mostly getting,

00:12:18.760 you know,

00:12:19.480 substitutes for

00:12:20.180 relationship advice.

00:12:21.600 That I think

00:12:22.160 is the trend.

00:12:24.020 Yeah.

00:12:24.300 Well,

00:12:24.460 okay.

00:12:24.660 So here's a question

00:12:25.440 I have.

00:12:26.080 So in my generation

00:12:27.500 and I'm wondering

00:12:28.500 if this is part,

00:12:29.240 because we talk about

00:12:29.980 how people are changing

00:12:30.800 biologically,

00:12:31.840 but,

00:12:32.600 and we talk about

00:12:33.420 failed relationship markets,

00:12:34.920 but I think one thing

00:12:36.420 that's,

00:12:36.880 that's not talked

00:12:37.720 about enough

00:12:38.680 is that in my generation,

00:12:40.140 our primary social networks

00:12:41.800 were our in-person

00:12:42.820 friend networks.

00:12:43.880 And therefore the primary

00:12:45.700 thing that motivated me

00:12:47.240 to sleep around a lot,

00:12:48.300 like I slept around a lot,

00:12:49.600 like in person

00:12:50.300 when I was younger,

00:12:50.880 it was not actually

00:12:52.720 getting to sleep

00:12:53.540 with people.

00:12:54.620 It was the way

00:12:55.780 my peer network

00:12:56.820 saw me

00:12:58.000 because I was sleeping

00:12:59.520 with lots of people.

00:13:00.500 And I wonder

00:13:01.340 if the breakdown

00:13:02.780 of in-person

00:13:03.540 social networks

00:13:04.760 has removed

00:13:06.300 a lot of the motivation

00:13:07.600 for real

00:13:09.500 sexual encounters

00:13:10.440 versus just

00:13:11.060 masturbation.

00:13:12.520 Yeah,

00:13:13.140 I think so.

00:13:13.880 It's like an

00:13:14.560 asocial thing.

00:13:16.420 Definitely,

00:13:16.920 I think,

00:13:17.620 you know,

00:13:17.880 less than,

00:13:19.400 less than the decline

00:13:20.840 in like actual sex,

00:13:21.940 I think it's like

00:13:22.440 the decline

00:13:22.880 in talking about sex.

00:13:24.780 It's just like,

00:13:25.220 you know,

00:13:25.560 like exers

00:13:26.280 and boomers

00:13:28.040 would talk to me

00:13:28.900 about how

00:13:29.480 there's a kind of

00:13:30.280 like implicit

00:13:30.700 status hierarchy,

00:13:32.160 especially among men.

00:13:33.180 Maybe it's not,

00:13:34.240 I don't think

00:13:34.760 it's the same

00:13:35.200 with women

00:13:35.600 of,

00:13:36.880 you know,

00:13:37.040 there's pressure

00:13:37.860 to lose your virginity.

00:13:39.240 There's pressure

00:13:40.020 to sleep around.

00:13:42.980 And I have never

00:13:44.860 experienced that.

00:13:45.740 I think most of the people

00:13:46.680 I talk to,

00:13:48.300 there's no pressure,

00:13:50.140 especially,

00:13:50.920 I think actually

00:13:51.580 this is a thing

00:13:54.420 that I feel like

00:13:55.180 is very wrong

00:13:56.120 and maybe very dependent

00:13:57.380 on selection bias.

00:13:58.800 But I feel like

00:13:59.320 there's almost more

00:14:00.040 of a pressure

00:14:00.440 for women than men

00:14:01.340 among Zoomers.

00:14:02.200 To have sex.

00:14:03.200 At least among

00:14:03.960 the ones that I

00:14:04.820 talked to.

00:14:05.900 Yeah.

00:14:06.700 You could please

00:14:08.000 elaborate on that.

00:14:09.040 Yeah.

00:14:10.700 So,

00:14:11.520 I mean,

00:14:12.560 I think with most men

00:14:13.520 it's just neutral.

00:14:14.480 There is a kind of,

00:14:15.580 you know,

00:14:16.220 basically

00:14:17.080 completely,

00:14:18.340 you know,

00:14:19.620 biological desire.

00:14:22.340 People have innate desires.

00:14:23.920 That's not,

00:14:24.380 I don't think that's changed.

00:14:25.760 But as a kind of social force,

00:14:27.580 I don't think it's,

00:14:28.600 it exists.

00:14:29.260 Or if anything,

00:14:30.660 there are,

00:14:31.360 it is almost discouraged

00:14:32.520 to talk about it

00:14:33.460 among men.

00:14:35.800 Whereas among women,

00:14:37.700 I think there is,

00:14:39.360 it is much more

00:14:40.100 high variance,

00:14:41.040 I would say.

00:14:41.540 There are definitely,

00:14:42.220 you know,

00:14:42.440 families that are much

00:14:43.160 more conservative

00:14:43.720 about this,

00:14:45.220 especially immigrants.

00:14:46.520 But I think like

00:14:47.060 among white women,

00:14:48.640 it is among the few

00:14:51.600 that I talked to.

00:14:53.260 And I want to say,

00:14:54.560 you know,

00:14:54.720 this is not that large

00:14:55.660 of a sample size.

00:14:56.380 So I'm like,

00:14:57.580 I'm 95% sure

00:14:59.060 it's like sample size

00:15:00.140 or like selection bias problems.

00:15:03.240 Both of them said,

00:15:04.500 but both white women

00:15:05.460 who I talked to,

00:15:06.780 like Zoomer white women,

00:15:08.120 said that they felt encouraged

00:15:09.780 to do such a thing.

00:15:11.680 Not like strongly,

00:15:12.540 you know,

00:15:12.900 like you must,

00:15:14.120 you know,

00:15:14.380 you're the most alpha

00:15:15.340 if you sleep with a lot of people.

00:15:17.080 But,

00:15:17.480 but you know,

00:15:18.040 that this is a good

00:15:19.620 and healthy thing

00:15:21.000 to do in your life.

00:15:22.540 Yeah.

00:15:22.800 I think probably a better way

00:15:23.660 to think of it was women

00:15:24.280 is this is how you're not

00:15:25.280 cast out of the group.

00:15:27.380 This is how you're normal.

00:15:30.620 Or is that wrong?

00:15:31.380 I would say so.

00:15:32.360 I would say so.

00:15:33.340 Yeah.

00:15:34.260 That's one way

00:15:34.940 to think about it.

00:15:35.900 How do they think

00:15:36.620 about deviant sexuality?

00:15:38.400 The people you talk to,

00:15:39.340 especially the right wing Zoomers,

00:15:41.240 I find very interesting

00:15:42.040 how they think about

00:15:42.800 deviant or weird sexuality.

00:15:45.580 The right wing Zoomers,

00:15:47.020 I would say that more in general,

00:15:48.340 there's like a blurring of the line.

00:15:49.880 It's not very,

00:15:51.100 they're almost not aware

00:15:52.400 that it's deviant sexuality

00:15:54.380 or what specifically

00:15:56.180 do you mean here?

00:15:56.980 Do you mean homosexuality?

00:15:59.000 No, no, no.

00:15:59.600 So cat girlism,

00:16:00.720 I find is the,

00:16:02.540 I mean,

00:16:02.880 that's the totem

00:16:04.320 that we were raising

00:16:05.040 in that podcast

00:16:05.780 was this idea

00:16:06.580 that cat girlism

00:16:07.460 is a quote unquote

00:16:08.720 deviant sexuality,

00:16:09.740 but every guy thinks

00:16:11.520 anime cat girls are cute,

00:16:12.760 you know?

00:16:13.480 And so it's not actually

00:16:15.020 a deviant sexuality.

00:16:16.360 And that's why

00:16:17.160 it's become this totem

00:16:18.660 for the portion

00:16:20.300 of the right

00:16:20.820 that's trying to reclaim

00:16:21.800 male sexuality.

00:16:22.780 But I wonder how

00:16:24.660 other people,

00:16:25.940 you know,

00:16:26.060 whether it's femboyism

00:16:27.000 or anything else,

00:16:28.680 how they're interacting.

00:16:30.960 Is there anything

00:16:31.800 where they're like,

00:16:32.400 this is bad sexuality

00:16:33.480 and this is good sexuality?

00:16:35.000 Or is it just like

00:16:36.000 all good sexuality?

00:16:37.540 Or is it just like sexuality?

00:16:39.100 Is this like black muck

00:16:41.020 that's ruining everything?

00:16:42.620 Yeah.

00:16:42.760 There is no understanding

00:16:44.520 that an attraction

00:16:45.640 to cat girls

00:16:46.640 is unhealthy in any way.

00:16:48.500 This is something

00:16:49.320 that is accepted

00:16:51.120 as normal

00:16:52.600 and ordinary.

00:16:53.760 It's not,

00:16:54.480 you know,

00:16:54.680 every person,

00:16:56.380 every guy I talk to

00:16:57.260 is into cat girls.

00:16:58.780 But this is just,

00:17:00.040 you know,

00:17:00.460 this is not seen

00:17:01.580 as some kind

00:17:02.260 of weird thing now.

00:17:03.660 And I think

00:17:04.180 the same thing

00:17:05.000 is true

00:17:05.720 for a lot of similar

00:17:07.120 kind of,

00:17:07.660 you know,

00:17:07.980 soft fetishes,

00:17:09.060 quote unquote.

00:17:10.020 Right.

00:17:11.120 Both among men

00:17:13.060 and women,

00:17:13.780 I think.

00:17:14.620 You know,

00:17:14.740 people still,

00:17:15.680 people,

00:17:16.480 you know,

00:17:17.120 still consider it

00:17:17.980 like a different thing.

00:17:19.320 You know,

00:17:19.540 I think like Zoomer,

00:17:21.460 even like Zoomer conservatives

00:17:22.600 are fine with someone

00:17:23.880 being gay or lesbian,

00:17:24.760 but they still notice it

00:17:25.680 as like a different thing.

00:17:27.100 You know,

00:17:27.380 like it wouldn't be like,

00:17:28.520 oh,

00:17:28.760 oh,

00:17:28.920 that's like very unremarkable.

00:17:30.360 And now that I know

00:17:30.860 that my friend

00:17:31.400 is like gay or lesbian.

00:17:32.480 No,

00:17:32.780 but like people will

00:17:34.600 have that.

00:17:35.400 Right.

00:17:35.780 And I think this is also

00:17:36.980 reflected in how,

00:17:38.320 you know,

00:17:38.440 easily they would mention

00:17:39.260 these things to me.

00:17:40.360 You know,

00:17:40.540 they're also,

00:17:41.260 this is a kind of

00:17:41.940 selection bias as well

00:17:43.060 of like people,

00:17:44.340 you know,

00:17:45.060 maybe not mentioning to me

00:17:46.420 like more extreme things.

00:17:47.980 But people were very happy

00:17:49.060 to offer,

00:17:49.900 you know,

00:17:50.400 these kind of predilections

00:17:51.800 being into,

00:17:52.660 especially a certain type

00:17:53.560 of anime girls.

00:17:54.460 I feel like there is,

00:17:55.820 if you talk about

00:17:56.600 a real life person

00:17:58.640 who you're attracted to,

00:18:00.240 I think there's this

00:18:00.940 soft idea of civil rights law

00:18:03.160 coming,

00:18:03.940 coming after you.

00:18:04.920 If,

00:18:05.140 or people,

00:18:05.760 you know,

00:18:06.220 who feel,

00:18:06.960 who are like similar

00:18:07.960 in appearance,

00:18:09.060 feeling uncomfortable

00:18:09.780 with that.

00:18:10.900 And that's something

00:18:11.840 that Zoomers kind of

00:18:12.540 want to avoid,

00:18:13.780 but that's the same

00:18:14.840 is not true

00:18:15.420 for,

00:18:15.860 for anime girls.

00:18:16.840 So,

00:18:17.200 so it's almost

00:18:17.720 considerable.

00:18:18.400 This is like,

00:18:18.740 this is like,

00:18:19.060 this kind of like weird

00:18:19.840 post sexuality thing

00:18:22.040 that you're talking about.

00:18:22.900 I agree.

00:18:23.740 That's like the right way

00:18:24.380 to frame it.

00:18:25.420 That's really interesting.

00:18:26.980 So let me,

00:18:28.100 give me like one more

00:18:29.420 like highly quotable sentence.

00:18:31.620 It's,

00:18:32.220 you know,

00:18:32.600 it is the separation

00:18:34.460 of attraction

00:18:36.340 and physicality.

00:18:37.720 That's what I think it is.

00:18:40.120 Elaborate on that

00:18:40.900 statement a bit.

00:18:42.000 Sorry.

00:18:42.200 So,

00:18:44.180 okay.

00:18:44.560 So,

00:18:44.680 so I'll tell

00:18:45.180 one very funny

00:18:46.700 case study

00:18:47.460 of,

00:18:49.420 so you probably

00:18:50.340 have heard this,

00:18:51.100 you know,

00:18:51.260 this is more of a thing

00:18:52.180 among progressive circles,

00:18:53.420 but people will talk

00:18:54.680 about,

00:18:55.040 you know,

00:18:55.300 sexuality versus

00:18:56.400 romantic attraction.

00:18:57.840 Right.

00:18:58.600 And I'm not sure

00:18:59.360 like how serious

00:19:00.800 of a thing this is.

00:19:01.600 For example,

00:19:01.940 some people will say

00:19:03.360 they're like asexual

00:19:04.900 but biromantic.

00:19:06.440 Right.

00:19:06.580 And will your audience

00:19:09.260 know what that means?

00:19:10.280 I don't know.

00:19:10.600 This is a thing

00:19:11.080 that left-wingers

00:19:11.660 will all know

00:19:12.060 what it means

00:19:12.620 because it's pretty

00:19:13.340 common among them.

00:19:14.660 But it's basically

00:19:15.320 someone who has

00:19:16.160 no sexual attraction

00:19:17.260 does not want

00:19:17.820 to have sex

00:19:18.340 with people in general

00:19:19.800 but wants to date

00:19:22.120 and be softly affectionate

00:19:23.860 with both men and women.

00:19:25.560 Mm-hmm.

00:19:26.020 Mm-hmm.

00:19:26.860 And this,

00:19:29.200 I think,

00:19:29.400 is the clearest example.

00:19:31.520 There's also,

00:19:32.500 there's also someone

00:19:33.260 who I talked to

00:19:33.980 who is basically gay

00:19:35.700 in terms of,

00:19:36.880 you know,

00:19:37.540 sex acts

00:19:38.140 but is like romantically

00:19:39.380 attracted to women.

00:19:41.060 Hmm.

00:19:42.480 And I do think this is,

00:19:44.100 I do think this is

00:19:45.280 increasingly common.

00:19:46.000 I don't think it's

00:19:46.480 extremely common.

00:19:47.460 It's mostly still men

00:19:48.520 who are, you know,

00:19:49.480 attracted to women

00:19:50.220 both romantically

00:19:50.900 and sexually

00:19:51.480 and vice versa.

00:19:52.520 I don't think it's

00:19:53.100 extremely common

00:19:53.860 but it's,

00:19:55.320 it is definitely

00:19:56.500 becoming more of a thing.

00:19:58.520 Yeah.

00:19:58.840 So to this end,

00:20:00.060 I feel like I have

00:20:00.780 a lot of Zoomer friend

00:20:02.320 who I've talked to

00:20:03.360 about this sort of thing

00:20:04.300 and of the right-wing ones,

00:20:07.060 I have seen

00:20:07.840 basically zero homophobia.

00:20:10.380 I have seen

00:20:10.740 no uncomfortable

00:20:11.700 with gayness at all

00:20:13.120 in the right-wing Zoomer audience.

00:20:14.620 Is that something

00:20:15.260 you've noticed as well

00:20:16.020 or have you seen any real?

00:20:17.760 Among IRL people,

00:20:18.880 yeah.

00:20:19.340 Among online posters,

00:20:21.360 no, no.

00:20:22.700 Direction.

00:20:23.680 That's just,

00:20:24.300 I don't know,

00:20:24.880 tradition.

00:20:25.120 That's just online posters.

00:20:26.560 Yes.

00:20:27.860 But even then,

00:20:30.380 I think it's,

00:20:31.220 you know,

00:20:31.540 the kind of archetype

00:20:33.160 of a southern dad

00:20:34.280 who would believe

00:20:34.940 so strongly

00:20:35.680 in his faith

00:20:36.980 and that,

00:20:37.380 you know,

00:20:38.060 homosexuality is evil

00:20:39.480 that he would separate

00:20:40.340 off his son,

00:20:42.120 his gay son

00:20:42.900 or lesbian daughter

00:20:43.740 from the family.

00:20:45.320 I don't think

00:20:45.780 it's that kind

00:20:46.840 of homophobia.

00:20:48.240 It's kind of like,

00:20:48.900 it's like the,

00:20:49.400 like the,

00:20:49.820 like race shitposting

00:20:52.300 stuff

00:20:53.060 where,

00:20:54.100 you know,

00:20:54.480 they'll be very happy

00:20:55.600 to say,

00:20:56.360 you know,

00:20:56.640 look at these

00:20:57.440 separate crime rates,

00:20:58.880 you know,

00:20:59.360 or even to go further

00:21:00.780 to that,

00:21:01.320 right,

00:21:01.520 to say like

00:21:02.380 prescriptive things

00:21:03.340 about race

00:21:03.980 and like what policies

00:21:04.980 they would want

00:21:05.820 or like encouraging,

00:21:07.140 you know,

00:21:07.580 segregation practice.

00:21:09.180 But in terms of,

00:21:09.800 if that person had

00:21:10.640 a black friend

00:21:11.420 or a gay friend,

00:21:12.120 I think it would be

00:21:12.920 not too different

00:21:14.020 than,

00:21:14.560 you know,

00:21:14.700 the rest of Zoomers.

00:21:15.600 They would basically

00:21:16.140 be fine with it.

00:21:17.380 And you do see this

00:21:18.500 with the exception,

00:21:20.120 the accepting of people

00:21:21.260 like Dave Rubin

00:21:22.180 or of,

00:21:23.220 who is the very famous

00:21:24.180 trans conservative person?

00:21:26.380 Oh gosh.

00:21:27.600 Well,

00:21:27.960 I,

00:21:28.240 I'd say,

00:21:29.340 Caitlyn Jenner,

00:21:29.600 Caitlyn Jenner.

00:21:30.780 Well,

00:21:31.140 she's not conservative,

00:21:32.500 but there was,

00:21:33.360 you know,

00:21:33.700 there was airing

00:21:34.660 of her as the person

00:21:36.120 who would finally

00:21:36.880 defeat Gavin Newsom.

00:21:38.440 Oh.

00:21:39.020 Governor of California.

00:21:40.220 Yeah.

00:21:40.380 I missed that.

00:21:42.900 Well,

00:21:43.140 it was not that serious.

00:21:44.880 I don't think

00:21:45.240 she's had a chance,

00:21:46.680 but you know,

00:21:47.220 this,

00:21:48.000 the,

00:21:48.240 the even mere

00:21:49.040 acceptance of it

00:21:50.020 is,

00:21:51.000 you know,

00:21:51.980 it's,

00:21:52.340 it's a sign that like

00:21:53.120 that kind of

00:21:53.840 psychological disposition

00:21:55.760 at least is gone.

00:21:57.840 Well,

00:21:57.920 so I get the impression

00:21:58.640 that it is very much

00:22:00.000 a post-sex world

00:22:01.060 where it doesn't matter anymore.

00:22:02.860 It's like highly virtual.

00:22:04.380 Like you alluded to it

00:22:05.820 being somewhat divorced

00:22:06.700 from physicality.

00:22:08.100 You know,

00:22:08.240 a lot of it more has to do

00:22:09.220 with just the experience

00:22:10.280 you're having online,

00:22:11.120 which suggests that

00:22:12.300 when we actually can

00:22:13.420 get much more

00:22:14.440 realistic AI

00:22:16.960 boyfriends and girlfriends

00:22:18.180 that like people

00:22:19.560 are going to go for that

00:22:20.680 because it's probably better

00:22:22.200 than what you're going to get

00:22:23.060 from a human

00:22:23.620 that you have to accommodate

00:22:24.480 in annoying ways.

00:22:26.160 Yeah.

00:22:26.300 Yeah.

00:22:26.420 Like the most beautiful flowers

00:22:27.980 are the most fake,

00:22:28.800 right?

00:22:29.020 Yeah.

00:22:29.320 Right.

00:22:29.600 Yeah.

00:22:30.020 It is very much.

00:22:31.880 Yeah.

00:22:32.240 This is,

00:22:33.380 I don't know.

00:22:35.240 You,

00:22:35.440 you can also almost see

00:22:36.400 this in existing behavior,

00:22:37.480 right?

00:22:38.040 If you think of what's,

00:22:39.120 what's stopping an AI

00:22:40.340 from being like an

00:22:41.440 OnlyFans operator,

00:22:43.020 right?

00:22:43.800 Pretty much nothing,

00:22:45.620 pretty much just the quality

00:22:47.360 of like how well

00:22:48.560 it can craft text messages

00:22:50.300 and artificially generated

00:22:51.820 porn,

00:22:52.620 right?

00:22:52.740 That is the limiting factor.

00:22:54.080 You know,

00:22:54.460 basically there's no

00:22:55.900 qualitative factor

00:22:57.100 stopping AI from becoming

00:22:59.200 an OnlyFans model right now.

00:23:00.660 It is only like

00:23:01.320 the question is

00:23:02.160 in the past,

00:23:03.620 it was just,

00:23:04.340 will we get a generation

00:23:05.900 of people that's okay

00:23:07.540 with that?

00:23:08.340 Because if you were,

00:23:09.420 I think to take the majority

00:23:10.840 of the millennial generation,

00:23:12.980 Gen X,

00:23:13.360 anyone before they'd be like,

00:23:15.280 well,

00:23:15.500 it has to be a human.

00:23:16.520 If it's a human,

00:23:17.060 that's how I know it's good.

00:23:18.280 But I think that we finally

00:23:19.200 got to a generational point

00:23:20.980 where there isn't an assumption

00:23:22.840 that human is better.

00:23:24.080 And that there's

00:23:24.760 like a pretty big

00:23:26.260 unmooring

00:23:27.380 from IRL socialization

00:23:30.040 and like IRL relationships.

00:23:32.200 And since we interact

00:23:33.700 with even our closest

00:23:34.640 carbon-based friends,

00:23:37.260 like digitally mostly,

00:23:38.640 there's just less

00:23:39.220 of this feeling like

00:23:40.280 you need to prioritize

00:23:41.680 carbon relationships.

00:23:43.980 It is not only

00:23:45.920 the separation

00:23:46.700 but the inversion

00:23:47.680 of online

00:23:48.560 and real life.

00:23:50.440 I am.

00:23:51.640 This is one of the trends

00:23:52.980 that I'm most confident on

00:23:54.000 actually

00:23:54.360 in terms of

00:23:55.740 so this is

00:23:58.800 the operational question

00:23:59.940 of would you prefer

00:24:01.200 to have

00:24:02.520 either a romantic

00:24:03.560 or sexual relationship

00:24:04.700 with someone

00:24:06.220 you already know

00:24:07.100 or like a stranger online?

00:24:09.560 And I think it's been

00:24:11.220 going in the direction

00:24:12.440 in terms of

00:24:13.120 sexual relationships.

00:24:15.160 It's been going

00:24:15.960 in the direction

00:24:16.560 of prefer online

00:24:17.640 for some time.

00:24:20.000 But the thing

00:24:20.820 that was very surprising

00:24:22.020 to me

00:24:22.340 was the same

00:24:22.860 is true

00:24:23.140 for romantic relationships

00:24:24.300 where

00:24:25.720 what I think it is

00:24:28.640 is I think that

00:24:29.240 the kind of

00:24:29.720 female type

00:24:30.940 social interaction

00:24:31.960 of having friends

00:24:34.000 for the purpose

00:24:34.660 of being accepted

00:24:35.420 into the group

00:24:36.220 that is the norm

00:24:38.220 which itself is

00:24:39.220 I don't know

00:24:40.480 if you would disagree

00:24:41.320 but I think

00:24:42.940 which itself

00:24:43.900 is a kind of

00:24:44.520 masturbatory version

00:24:45.840 of having real friends

00:24:47.120 where

00:24:48.460 you know

00:24:49.000 you have

00:24:49.680 you have

00:24:50.580 the aesthetics

00:24:51.780 of friendship

00:24:52.440 you know

00:24:52.800 you go

00:24:53.480 you hang out

00:24:54.240 even like

00:24:55.060 real life interactions

00:24:56.080 are like this

00:24:56.660 but membership

00:24:58.340 in the friend group

00:24:59.160 is not actually

00:24:59.980 based on any kind

00:25:01.120 of loyalty

00:25:01.600 or any kind

00:25:02.360 of personal traits

00:25:03.940 but rather

00:25:04.520 a kind of

00:25:05.400 you know

00:25:05.740 kind of conformity

00:25:06.680 where

00:25:08.240 that is

00:25:09.120 also

00:25:09.960 leaning towards

00:25:11.800 the male type

00:25:12.580 of friendship

00:25:13.140 now

00:25:13.520 where

00:25:14.640 that ends up

00:25:15.360 or I don't know

00:25:15.900 maybe it was always

00:25:16.520 like this

00:25:16.860 the male type

00:25:17.460 or like

00:25:17.920 this is the dominant

00:25:19.080 form of friendship

00:25:19.860 between men

00:25:21.360 and women

00:25:21.780 like

00:25:23.080 men

00:25:24.120 men will consider

00:25:25.060 their female friends

00:25:25.980 the same way

00:25:26.760 women will consider

00:25:27.760 their male friends

00:25:28.560 the same way

00:25:29.740 there is no distinction

00:25:31.020 between like

00:25:31.760 the female type

00:25:32.640 friendship pattern

00:25:34.080 and the like

00:25:35.320 intersex

00:25:35.860 or that might not

00:25:37.220 be the right word

00:25:37.820 but like

00:25:38.140 the friendship

00:25:39.360 between men

00:25:39.900 and women

00:25:40.260 there's no distinction

00:25:41.380 between that

00:25:42.160 and female

00:25:43.560 to female

00:25:44.060 friendships

00:25:44.680 but hold on

00:25:45.440 because that's a

00:25:46.160 that's like a

00:25:47.420 an extreme divorce

00:25:49.080 of like bronze age

00:25:50.160 pervert

00:25:50.740 ideology

00:25:52.000 right

00:25:52.340 because he's talking

00:25:53.260 about the need

00:25:53.940 for male only spaces

00:25:55.020 and that even

00:25:55.880 male to male

00:25:56.580 relationships

00:25:57.200 are screwed up

00:25:57.980 if they are in

00:25:58.660 the presence

00:25:59.160 of a female

00:25:59.980 because she ruins

00:26:00.900 the dynamic

00:26:01.420 and that we need

00:26:02.040 to bring back

00:26:02.960 male only spaces

00:26:04.240 so that men

00:26:04.920 don't lose

00:26:06.120 their minds

00:26:06.580 and do stupid

00:26:07.320 stuff

00:26:07.920 and can actually

00:26:08.900 be great again

00:26:09.920 so I feel like

00:26:10.920 there's some tension

00:26:11.920 present day men

00:26:12.580 are like

00:26:13.040 too quote unquote

00:26:14.740 gay

00:26:15.060 or like

00:26:15.380 what we would

00:26:16.260 call like

00:26:16.560 sissies

00:26:16.940 right

00:26:17.660 I think like

00:26:19.140 it's

00:26:19.800 it's in accordance

00:26:20.680 with

00:26:21.120 with bronze age

00:26:22.460 pervert thought

00:26:23.260 it's

00:26:24.080 so where

00:26:25.140 where it doesn't

00:26:25.700 matter

00:26:26.020 if there are

00:26:26.720 women or men

00:26:27.440 like where gender

00:26:28.080 doesn't matter

00:26:28.700 is where like

00:26:29.840 society is too

00:26:31.140 sissified in the end

00:26:32.360 and like

00:26:33.360 only

00:26:33.820 only male spaces

00:26:36.240 only really matter

00:26:37.300 if you've got

00:26:37.940 super masculine men

00:26:38.960 is that it

00:26:39.660 or like

00:26:40.540 dominant style

00:26:41.580 men

00:26:42.080 I think it's more

00:26:43.280 of you should

00:26:43.860 consider it more

00:26:44.480 revolutionarily

00:26:45.280 right

00:26:45.560 if this is the way

00:26:46.540 that like men

00:26:47.040 are engaging

00:26:47.580 in like mixed

00:26:48.260 sex social groups

00:26:49.960 then you know

00:26:51.160 there needs to be

00:26:51.860 a revolution

00:26:52.300 there needs to be

00:26:53.160 the bronze age

00:26:53.680 pervert revolution

00:26:54.500 you know

00:26:54.820 that's what he

00:26:55.860 would say about this

00:26:56.720 I would imagine

00:26:58.300 well not if

00:26:59.680 they're engaging

00:27:00.160 that way

00:27:00.480 because their

00:27:00.920 biology has changed

00:27:02.140 yeah not if

00:27:02.860 they're engaging

00:27:03.240 that way

00:27:03.560 because they know

00:27:04.100 they have no

00:27:04.540 shot at all

00:27:05.280 maybe men

00:27:06.220 lose their

00:27:06.700 mind in the

00:27:07.320 presence of

00:27:08.020 women

00:27:08.480 not true

00:27:09.580 right

00:27:09.840 they do have

00:27:10.500 a shot at all

00:27:11.240 this is the

00:27:12.400 other thing

00:27:13.280 is so there

00:27:14.280 are there

00:27:15.260 are there

00:27:15.920 are studies

00:27:16.400 the headline

00:27:17.460 of this study

00:27:18.800 and replication

00:27:20.200 attempts of

00:27:20.960 this study

00:27:21.480 is something

00:27:22.680 like 50%

00:27:23.560 of men

00:27:24.020 would like

00:27:24.760 sleep with

00:27:25.460 with a woman

00:27:26.140 with a woman

00:27:26.840 who just asked

00:27:27.620 him on the

00:27:28.400 street

00:27:28.660 oh yes

00:27:29.360 as opposed to

00:27:30.220 around 5%

00:27:31.120 of women

00:27:31.520 right

00:27:32.060 but the other

00:27:32.960 thing that they

00:27:33.780 ask in that

00:27:34.740 study is

00:27:35.360 would you go

00:27:36.040 on a date

00:27:36.660 with the person

00:27:37.300 who who

00:27:38.240 randomly asked

00:27:39.000 you on the

00:27:39.880 street

00:27:40.200 and for

00:27:41.680 for single

00:27:42.420 men

00:27:42.740 it is

00:27:43.480 the first

00:27:44.140 number was

00:27:44.540 also for

00:27:44.940 single men

00:27:45.380 and women

00:27:45.720 the the

00:27:46.440 first number

00:27:47.120 for single

00:27:47.700 men

00:27:48.020 was something

00:27:48.820 like 70%

00:27:49.860 or and

00:27:50.700 number for

00:27:51.420 women was

00:27:52.000 50%

00:27:52.700 and you know

00:27:54.080 maybe maybe

00:27:54.540 this is not so

00:27:55.120 surprising to you

00:27:55.940 right maybe this

00:27:56.580 is you know

00:27:56.940 just common

00:27:57.320 sense for

00:27:57.740 you but

00:27:58.800 I think

00:28:00.560 every single

00:28:01.100 zoomer I've

00:28:01.560 talked to

00:28:01.840 about this

00:28:02.180 except for

00:28:02.600 one guy

00:28:03.080 who's into

00:28:03.500 evo psych

00:28:04.040 who has

00:28:04.360 seen specifically

00:28:05.460 this study

00:28:06.140 before was

00:28:07.080 just like utterly

00:28:07.720 floored that

00:28:08.300 like 50%

00:28:09.000 of women

00:28:09.400 50% of

00:28:10.420 single women

00:28:11.000 would say

00:28:11.400 yes

00:28:11.700 well but how

00:28:12.320 attractive was

00:28:12.960 the confederate

00:28:13.600 I haven't seen

00:28:14.240 this this

00:28:14.900 that is like

00:28:16.760 100 if the

00:28:17.700 confederate is

00:28:18.260 an eight or

00:28:18.960 higher yes

00:28:19.940 if the confederate

00:28:20.680 is an eight or

00:28:21.260 below no

00:28:22.640 I think this

00:28:24.080 study was done

00:28:24.560 a while ago

00:28:25.160 and I don't

00:28:25.620 think that this

00:28:26.100 is true anymore

00:28:26.860 in fact I

00:28:28.300 would even

00:28:29.140 go so far

00:28:29.580 as to argue

00:28:29.940 that men

00:28:30.540 in today's

00:28:31.140 environment

00:28:31.560 have a woman

00:28:32.140 when I'm

00:28:32.560 going to ask

00:28:32.840 them to have

00:28:33.180 sex with

00:28:33.560 them I

00:28:34.020 think that

00:28:34.600 50% of

00:28:35.420 zoomers would

00:28:35.840 probably say

00:28:36.280 no to the

00:28:37.240 woman to the

00:28:38.040 woman with

00:28:38.680 the prop

00:28:39.020 whoa I

00:28:41.020 think they're

00:28:41.400 far more timid

00:28:42.500 than you

00:28:42.780 imagine

00:28:43.140 no

00:28:44.480 disagree

00:28:45.060 no maybe

00:28:47.360 so like the

00:28:48.520 really cursed

00:28:49.220 stat would be

00:28:50.000 like if you

00:28:51.460 see like an

00:28:52.060 inversion between

00:28:53.040 like willing to

00:28:53.980 have sex and

00:28:54.660 willing to go

00:28:55.140 on a date

00:28:55.600 that is

00:28:57.860 that would be

00:29:00.620 interesting but

00:29:01.120 yeah we we we

00:29:02.040 we should see

00:29:02.600 replications of

00:29:03.560 the study

00:29:04.040 I'd love to see

00:29:04.900 replications of

00:29:05.660 the study this

00:29:06.220 would be

00:29:06.480 but with

00:29:06.840 confederate

00:29:07.460 zero to ten

00:29:08.440 ratings that

00:29:09.360 none of this

00:29:10.140 matters if you

00:29:10.880 don't have that

00:29:11.480 just none of it

00:29:12.240 matters because

00:29:13.200 that I think

00:29:13.820 that's the really

00:29:14.380 key thing that

00:29:14.880 has changed

00:29:15.740 which is that

00:29:16.940 we've we've

00:29:17.600 switched to

00:29:18.580 relationship markets

00:29:19.680 that are extremely

00:29:20.440 visually based

00:29:21.380 and that we've

00:29:22.360 conditioned a

00:29:23.320 huge volume of

00:29:24.400 people to

00:29:25.360 select sexual

00:29:26.300 partners based

00:29:27.460 on only physical

00:29:28.840 appearance and

00:29:29.980 whereas in the

00:29:30.680 past it used to

00:29:31.540 be like oh

00:29:32.500 well we're both

00:29:32.980 in the model

00:29:33.420 train club together

00:29:34.440 or whatever I

00:29:35.340 like your jokes

00:29:36.180 or you're really

00:29:36.820 smart and you

00:29:37.740 know the people

00:29:38.400 were able to

00:29:38.940 compete in many

00:29:39.620 different arenas

00:29:40.640 whereas now it's

00:29:42.040 a swipe and it's

00:29:42.900 an image and I

00:29:44.020 think that that

00:29:44.880 well and also

00:29:45.560 then I feel like

00:29:46.440 social media filters

00:29:47.260 have also completely

00:29:48.080 thrown off people's

00:29:48.920 perception of

00:29:50.240 of attractiveness and

00:29:51.240 we've discussed this

00:29:51.900 in other episodes

00:29:52.680 where you might

00:29:53.460 you might think

00:29:54.480 that someone is

00:29:56.380 is like a five

00:29:58.180 you know out of

00:29:58.940 ten like

00:29:59.620 attractiveness wise

00:30:00.620 but if you compare

00:30:01.220 them to an actual

00:30:01.940 general population

00:30:03.040 like in their nation

00:30:04.060 they'd be more like

00:30:05.500 a six or a seven

00:30:06.400 but because of

00:30:07.440 online perceptions

00:30:08.980 of what beauty

00:30:09.620 is you know

00:30:10.400 there's this there

00:30:11.080 was like a sort

00:30:11.680 of meme a little

00:30:12.320 bit earlier like

00:30:13.720 maybe two weeks

00:30:14.260 back of Margot

00:30:15.220 Robbie who stars

00:30:16.760 in the Barbie

00:30:17.380 movie being a mid

00:30:18.900 like that she's

00:30:20.500 middling that

00:30:21.240 that Margot Robbie

00:30:22.300 the the human

00:30:23.780 actress selected

00:30:24.900 to be Barbie

00:30:25.800 is middling

00:30:27.840 in attractiveness

00:30:28.640 so I just feel

00:30:29.200 like she's not an

00:30:29.800 anime cat girl

00:30:30.560 that's that is

00:30:31.900 her problem

00:30:32.540 yeah you

00:30:33.400 yeah and it's

00:30:34.360 what I think

00:30:34.980 it's really

00:30:35.300 disappointing

00:30:35.600 that every day

00:30:36.600 Simone

00:30:37.000 you're not

00:30:38.160 an anime girl

00:30:38.900 I'm so sorry

00:30:40.200 I'm so sorry

00:30:41.720 I'll get cat ears

00:30:44.580 I promise

00:30:45.340 as soon as we

00:30:46.080 can grab them

00:30:46.760 on

00:30:47.160 oh god

00:30:48.940 you know

00:30:49.700 you two are

00:30:50.160 honorary zoomers

00:30:51.160 thank you

00:30:52.240 well we saw

00:30:53.000 we were in New

00:30:53.680 York yesterday

00:30:54.280 walking around

00:30:54.920 with our boys

00:30:55.560 and I was

00:30:57.140 thinking about

00:30:57.700 I don't even

00:30:58.160 know what the

00:30:58.600 next generation

00:30:59.240 of what kids

00:30:59.880 are today

00:31:00.400 and they have

00:31:01.100 to be something

00:31:01.480 beyond zoomers

00:31:02.220 but there was

00:31:02.700 a furry kid

00:31:03.300 walking around

00:31:03.960 just had a tail

00:31:04.760 you know

00:31:05.220 we're like

00:31:05.720 you know

00:31:06.360 someone like

00:31:06.980 we're with

00:31:07.580 another parent

00:31:08.080 she's like

00:31:08.540 oh it's like

00:31:09.440 a kid

00:31:09.800 like maybe

00:31:10.180 seven years

00:31:10.700 old or something

00:31:11.500 he's just like

00:31:12.400 full out wearing

00:31:12.840 a furry tail

00:31:13.380 that's not a

00:31:13.900 sexual thing

00:31:14.520 you know

00:31:14.800 no well

00:31:15.380 I mean

00:31:15.720 it could be

00:31:16.140 a proto-sexual

00:31:16.720 thing

00:31:16.920 who knows

00:31:17.300 but whatever

00:31:17.680 many people

00:31:18.240 just identify

00:31:18.900 as furries

00:31:19.500 it's you know

00:31:20.080 there's

00:31:20.380 there's

00:31:20.840 it's a complex

00:31:22.100 world

00:31:22.400 I mean

00:31:22.680 it's one of

00:31:23.340 the problems

00:31:24.020 that we have

00:31:24.540 is when

00:31:25.060 sexual communities

00:31:26.580 become aesthetic

00:31:28.760 communities

00:31:29.740 so when I was

00:31:31.080 young

00:31:31.380 I would identify

00:31:32.320 as like

00:31:33.000 goth

00:31:33.620 right

00:31:33.940 like I hung

00:31:34.560 out and dressed

00:31:35.180 like a goth

00:31:35.760 because people

00:31:36.220 older than me

00:31:36.980 who I thought

00:31:37.420 were cool

00:31:37.960 I knew

00:31:38.360 hung out

00:31:38.780 and went

00:31:39.040 to goth

00:31:39.680 things

00:31:39.980 I wish we had

00:31:40.700 more photo proof

00:31:41.440 of this

00:31:41.980 but I think

00:31:43.500 that we

00:31:44.200 live in a world

00:31:45.560 now

00:31:46.240 where young

00:31:47.000 people

00:31:47.580 can see

00:31:49.340 sexual

00:31:50.380 communities

00:31:51.640 like furries

00:31:52.580 for example

00:31:53.360 and begin

00:31:54.440 to identify

00:31:55.380 with those

00:31:56.160 communities

00:31:56.820 in the same

00:31:58.660 way that

00:31:59.320 in my

00:31:59.840 generation

00:32:00.320 people

00:32:00.680 identify

00:32:01.120 with

00:32:01.460 goths

00:32:01.920 or punks

00:32:02.500 or something

00:32:02.960 like that

00:32:03.640 and I don't

00:32:04.800 know if I

00:32:05.580 think that's

00:32:06.040 healthy

00:32:06.160 I don't think

00:32:06.680 that's healthy

00:32:07.120 I think

00:32:07.380 that's bad

00:32:07.600 so you can

00:32:08.140 think of

00:32:08.520 goths as

00:32:09.060 an early

00:32:09.700 version

00:32:10.260 of shitposting

00:32:11.980 right

00:32:12.200 and as we

00:32:12.840 know

00:32:13.020 the long

00:32:13.580 arc of

00:32:14.020 history

00:32:14.460 bends

00:32:15.640 towards

00:32:16.320 shitposting

00:32:17.340 everything

00:32:17.800 becomes

00:32:19.160 shitposting

00:32:19.920 it becomes

00:32:20.500 signaling

00:32:21.500 part of

00:32:22.260 part of

00:32:22.860 the community

00:32:23.400 by kind of

00:32:24.640 the radical

00:32:25.500 refutation

00:32:26.800 of everything

00:32:27.580 else

00:32:27.980 that exists

00:32:28.980 and

00:32:30.040 yeah

00:32:30.640 one of the

00:32:31.660 things that I

00:32:32.780 like to do

00:32:33.260 every once in a

00:32:33.920 while

00:32:34.140 I think it's

00:32:34.740 like very

00:32:35.100 healthy

00:32:35.400 to do this

00:32:36.420 is to look

00:32:37.220 at like an

00:32:37.600 empirical result

00:32:38.360 in the world

00:32:38.860 and think

00:32:39.260 what if

00:32:40.040 this is what

00:32:40.760 people want

00:32:41.500 how would I

00:32:42.020 change my

00:32:42.400 thinking

00:32:42.700 if God

00:32:43.440 came to me

00:32:43.940 and told me

00:32:44.340 like oh

00:32:44.700 this is just

00:32:45.460 what people

00:32:45.880 want

00:32:46.260 and you know

00:32:47.660 we're talking

00:32:48.260 about this

00:32:48.700 divorce

00:32:49.220 of

00:32:51.260 kind of

00:32:52.160 sex

00:32:52.640 like sex

00:32:53.480 acts

00:32:53.880 from

00:32:54.920 you know

00:32:55.840 the actual

00:32:56.320 identification

00:32:56.980 and what

00:32:57.640 people actually

00:32:58.260 think of

00:32:58.680 themselves

00:32:59.100 and what

00:33:00.060 people actually

00:33:00.740 it's like the

00:33:01.680 divorce of

00:33:02.260 like sexuality

00:33:03.000 as a meme

00:33:03.840 from sexuality

00:33:04.700 as like a

00:33:05.400 physical

00:33:05.700 interaction

00:33:06.320 I think that's

00:33:07.920 a great way

00:33:08.380 of putting it

00:33:09.120 yeah

00:33:09.380 it's conceptual

00:33:10.560 I just like

00:33:10.800 wonder

00:33:11.080 what if this

00:33:12.500 is just

00:33:12.760 what people

00:33:13.140 want

00:33:13.500 you know

00:33:14.060 what if

00:33:14.760 this is

00:33:15.040 just a

00:33:15.340 revealed

00:33:15.600 preference

00:33:16.120 like we

00:33:17.260 just didn't

00:33:17.600 have the

00:33:17.900 technology

00:33:18.340 we didn't

00:33:18.700 have the

00:33:19.000 internet

00:33:19.280 you know

00:33:19.960 we didn't

00:33:20.200 have the

00:33:20.620 cat girls

00:33:21.240 we didn't

00:33:22.180 have exactly

00:33:22.840 exactly

00:33:23.280 actually I

00:33:24.160 think we

00:33:24.540 had anime

00:33:25.060 cat girls

00:33:25.540 in the

00:33:25.840 90s

00:33:26.600 right

00:33:26.820 there were

00:33:27.280 like Sailor

00:33:27.740 Moon gags

00:33:28.220 with the

00:33:28.500 cat ears

00:33:28.920 but yeah

00:33:29.680 yeah we

00:33:30.020 most of

00:33:30.560 America

00:33:30.940 you know

00:33:31.420 we're not

00:33:31.940 exposed to

00:33:32.600 the cat

00:33:32.960 girls

00:33:33.220 and now

00:33:33.600 that they

00:33:33.860 have been

00:33:34.280 they simply

00:33:34.680 like the

00:33:35.060 cat girls

00:33:35.400 more

00:33:35.760 yeah

00:33:36.460 we're just

00:33:37.080 there will

00:33:37.660 be no more

00:33:38.180 sex

00:33:38.500 there will

00:33:38.820 only be

00:33:39.160 the cat

00:33:39.500 girls

00:33:40.020 before we

00:33:41.200 wrap up

00:33:41.580 this episode

00:33:42.100 I love

00:33:42.480 were there

00:33:42.920 any other

00:33:43.300 insights

00:33:43.700 you got

00:33:44.020 from these

00:33:44.340 people you

00:33:44.740 were interviewing

00:33:45.260 because I

00:33:45.620 really appreciate

00:33:46.280 that you

00:33:46.600 went on

00:33:46.840 and did

00:33:47.180 that and

00:33:47.580 I know

00:33:47.820 our audience

00:33:48.300 you know

00:33:48.640 a lot

00:33:49.300 of them

00:33:49.460 have very

00:33:49.800 little

00:33:49.980 connection

00:33:50.380 to what's

00:33:50.680 going on

00:33:51.020 in Zoomer

00:33:51.460 world

00:33:51.740 right now

00:33:52.360 what's

00:33:53.320 going on

00:33:54.280 I think

00:33:57.240 yeah guys

00:33:57.960 are afraid

00:33:58.460 to approach

00:33:59.740 girls

00:34:00.160 they're afraid

00:34:00.680 to be

00:34:00.960 affectionate

00:34:01.620 they're just

00:34:02.720 too neurotic

00:34:03.380 you know

00:34:04.060 this isn't

00:34:04.700 this is

00:34:05.060 unrelated

00:34:05.420 to this

00:34:05.980 stuff

00:34:06.240 but I

00:34:07.020 was at

00:34:07.360 I was at

00:34:07.840 University of

00:34:08.920 Austin

00:34:09.260 I was at

00:34:09.760 you know

00:34:10.360 Barry Weiss's

00:34:11.060 University

00:34:11.640 yeah yeah

00:34:12.180 our school's

00:34:13.900 partnered with

00:34:14.420 theirs

00:34:14.660 okay awesome

00:34:15.520 awesome

00:34:15.880 so this

00:34:17.400 so this is a

00:34:18.400 group of

00:34:18.960 people this

00:34:19.460 is a group

00:34:19.920 of around

00:34:20.460 like 40

00:34:21.080 kids

00:34:21.580 specifically

00:34:22.620 selected

00:34:23.300 to be you

00:34:24.560 know the

00:34:25.260 fear in the

00:34:26.000 fearless pursuit

00:34:27.160 of truth

00:34:27.840 I shouldn't I

00:34:28.960 shouldn't say

00:34:29.360 this I'm like

00:34:30.240 skeptical of

00:34:30.880 that you know

00:34:31.780 that I do

00:34:32.660 think I talked

00:34:33.380 to one of

00:34:33.900 the the people

00:34:34.980 who did the

00:34:35.460 admissions I

00:34:36.440 think it's

00:34:36.760 pretty legit

00:34:37.380 so I think

00:34:38.940 this might

00:34:39.420 actually be you

00:34:40.300 know to the

00:34:40.960 topic of taking

00:34:41.760 these things

00:34:42.480 seriously you

00:34:43.540 know these

00:34:43.920 might actually

00:34:44.520 be like the

00:34:45.220 40 students

00:34:45.900 in the

00:34:46.860 the US or

00:34:47.880 or among

00:34:48.680 the application

00:34:49.320 pool who

00:34:50.180 was who

00:34:51.380 were most

00:34:52.200 in the

00:34:52.800 fearless pursuit

00:34:53.440 of truth

00:34:53.960 but you know

00:34:55.840 they were just

00:34:56.220 extremely agreeable

00:34:57.620 that they were

00:34:58.520 they were really

00:34:59.080 afraid to set

00:34:59.700 up you know

00:35:00.160 very strong

00:35:00.960 binaries of

00:35:02.460 disagreements

00:35:03.400 in the class

00:35:04.320 and this was

00:35:04.680 something that

00:35:05.060 was noticed

00:35:05.400 by a lot

00:35:05.820 of the other

00:35:06.240 the the

00:35:07.020 older the

00:35:07.640 older professors

00:35:08.340 instructors

00:35:09.020 so on

00:35:10.200 that you

00:35:10.600 just didn't

00:35:11.020 get that

00:35:11.500 kind of you

00:35:12.120 know Lincoln

00:35:12.880 Douglas

00:35:13.220 style debate

00:35:14.620 I don't mean

00:35:15.480 like the format

00:35:16.120 but that kind

00:35:16.640 of like clash

00:35:17.140 of ideals

00:35:17.640 just didn't

00:35:18.740 happen

00:35:19.040 people were

00:35:19.960 people were

00:35:20.380 just like very

00:35:20.960 neurotic

00:35:21.400 and I think

00:35:22.640 that's you

00:35:23.160 know that's

00:35:23.900 the prevailing

00:35:24.600 trait of Gen Z

00:35:25.560 that's that's

00:35:26.660 how it rolls

00:35:27.120 I think that's

00:35:27.860 really interesting

00:35:28.360 because when you

00:35:28.880 look at

00:35:29.400 traditional British

00:35:30.360 education

00:35:30.900 like I'm

00:35:31.580 thinking about

00:35:32.040 how a young

00:35:32.800 British gentleman

00:35:33.420 was was educated

00:35:35.020 you know he was

00:35:35.940 pretty low on

00:35:36.820 what we might

00:35:37.580 consider technical

00:35:38.640 knowledge but

00:35:39.660 what he did

00:35:40.320 spend a huge

00:35:41.740 portion of his

00:35:42.860 upbringing doing

00:35:43.560 is is is

00:35:44.540 debate

00:35:44.940 elocution

00:35:45.980 and also

00:35:46.900 just like

00:35:47.280 really getting

00:35:48.100 good at

00:35:48.880 even like

00:35:49.400 spicy debate

00:35:50.300 like when you

00:35:50.760 even see

00:35:51.220 yeah

00:35:52.500 like they're

00:35:54.560 like there's

00:35:54.820 no spice

00:35:55.380 we need to

00:35:55.720 import more

00:35:56.260 spice from

00:35:56.740 India

00:35:57.040 but I think

00:35:57.980 really we

00:35:58.420 punish we

00:35:59.400 punish people

00:36:00.180 for deviating

00:36:01.740 we punish people

00:36:02.500 for arguing

00:36:03.220 then they're

00:36:03.480 called disagreeable

00:36:04.280 they have you

00:36:04.800 know they have

00:36:05.360 emotional problems

00:36:06.600 you know they're

00:36:07.320 they're picking

00:36:08.360 fights so I

00:36:09.260 think maybe

00:36:09.920 what we've done

00:36:10.740 is we've

00:36:11.640 neutered an

00:36:12.420 entire generation

00:36:13.460 or several I

00:36:14.420 think probably

00:36:14.920 both millennials

00:36:15.640 and Gen

00:36:17.380 Gen Zers from

00:36:18.500 the ability to

00:36:19.380 do that just

00:36:19.820 years of

00:36:20.440 conditioning where

00:36:21.100 every single

00:36:21.840 time they

00:36:22.920 pushed back

00:36:23.600 they got

00:36:24.260 slapped a

00:36:24.780 little on the

00:36:25.180 face I mean

00:36:25.900 what do you

00:36:26.200 think yeah

00:36:27.640 almost definitely

00:36:28.680 I do think

00:36:29.900 you know like

00:36:30.540 love I think

00:36:31.960 even millennials

00:36:32.540 will relate to

00:36:34.100 to people

00:36:35.020 saying you know

00:36:35.700 like teachers

00:36:36.140 saying if you

00:36:37.220 don't have

00:36:37.540 anything nice

00:36:38.080 to say say

00:36:38.640 nothing at all

00:36:39.320 yeah you know

00:36:40.140 which is just

00:36:40.920 you know so

00:36:42.980 incredibly stupid

00:36:44.340 there's never

00:36:45.200 been a reward

00:36:45.740 for pushing back

00:36:46.620 or being a

00:36:47.120 little spicy

00:36:47.620 you know what

00:36:48.020 I mean

00:36:48.320 yeah yeah

00:36:49.520 or even just

00:36:50.600 not active

00:36:51.140 punishment

00:36:51.540 I think like

00:36:52.460 male male

00:36:53.480 social norms

00:36:54.220 will naturally

00:36:54.960 naturally reward

00:36:56.500 that but

00:36:57.820 oh but I

00:36:58.700 don't know if

00:36:59.040 we've allowed

00:36:59.500 for male social

00:37:00.420 norms even

00:37:01.120 you know

00:37:01.460 exactly

00:37:02.220 there's like

00:37:03.480 constant unending

00:37:04.600 interference in

00:37:05.940 the educational

00:37:06.560 system with

00:37:07.460 inter-male

00:37:08.620 communication

00:37:09.440 patterns

00:37:10.080 or even

00:37:10.860 just well

00:37:11.240 even just

00:37:11.660 male dimorphic

00:37:12.540 behavior like

00:37:13.260 being energetic

00:37:14.240 oh well we

00:37:14.960 need to medicate

00:37:15.660 that stop

00:37:16.260 moving in your

00:37:16.800 chair you know

00:37:17.340 what I mean

00:37:17.720 yeah yeah

00:37:18.740 ADHD like

00:37:19.660 BAP needs to

00:37:20.560 add a new

00:37:21.300 chapter about

00:37:22.100 the ADHD

00:37:22.720 meds that

00:37:23.480 that's you

00:37:24.140 know they're

00:37:25.700 already talking

00:37:26.360 about like the

00:37:26.940 seed oils

00:37:27.540 the ADHD

00:37:28.140 meds that's

00:37:29.100 much much

00:37:29.620 bigger deal

00:37:30.080 than the

00:37:30.400 seed oils

00:37:30.840 yeah this

00:37:31.580 this UATX

00:37:32.580 thing you went

00:37:33.080 to was that

00:37:33.460 in the last

00:37:33.900 few months

00:37:34.420 yeah yeah

00:37:35.420 it was like

00:37:35.860 the summer

00:37:36.140 we were actually

00:37:37.220 supposed to run

00:37:38.480 that but

00:37:39.080 Simone said we

00:37:39.800 didn't have the

00:37:40.280 bandwidth to do

00:37:41.060 it we could

00:37:42.000 have been

00:37:42.260 that particular

00:37:43.460 do that would

00:37:45.560 have been

00:37:45.920 we would have

00:37:47.300 made it spicier

00:37:48.020 people know

00:37:49.540 more about

00:37:50.000 our physical

00:37:50.620 lives okay

00:37:51.840 wait I have

00:37:53.200 to hear this

00:37:53.700 how would you

00:37:54.240 what would be

00:37:55.760 the four courses

00:37:56.820 you would run

00:37:57.420 we're partnered

00:37:58.680 with them at

00:37:59.180 the Collins

00:37:59.580 Institute we've

00:38:00.860 been trying to

00:38:01.320 do the younger

00:38:02.280 kids stuff they

00:38:03.720 want to and so

00:38:04.560 we were talking

00:38:05.100 with them about

00:38:05.620 this and we

00:38:06.540 were supposed

00:38:06.880 to do the

00:38:07.520 the recruitment

00:38:08.280 and the setting

00:38:09.080 this up and

00:38:09.680 there was some

00:38:10.020 other guy and

00:38:11.240 we just we got

00:38:12.100 to this point

00:38:12.680 where we really

00:38:13.400 wanted to do it

00:38:14.380 but we just did

00:38:15.380 not have the

00:38:16.160 time between

00:38:17.000 trying basically

00:38:18.800 what we said is

00:38:19.440 we want to get

00:38:20.320 rid of any

00:38:21.020 distractions we

00:38:22.120 have until the

00:38:22.620 Collins Institute

00:38:23.180 is alive which

00:38:24.320 is our high

00:38:24.780 school system

00:38:25.440 because just if

00:38:26.780 somebody can't

00:38:27.420 fix the high

00:38:27.880 school system the

00:38:28.500 country is doomed

00:38:29.220 so there's a lot

00:38:30.740 of cool opportunities

00:38:31.680 like this that

00:38:32.500 would have raised

00:38:33.360 our personal prestige

00:38:34.640 and would have

00:38:35.420 allowed us to

00:38:35.980 interact with a

00:38:36.600 lot of young

00:38:37.000 people that are

00:38:37.820 like important

00:38:38.620 like you but

00:38:39.820 then you know

00:38:40.540 we're also already

00:38:41.420 doing stuff with

00:38:42.180 like teal fellows

00:38:42.980 and stuff like

00:38:43.700 that and I feel

00:38:44.560 like one of the

00:38:45.620 weird things that

00:38:46.560 I've noticed

00:38:47.000 especially with

00:38:47.720 young people is

00:38:49.460 whatever program

00:38:51.140 that we're engaged

00:38:52.180 with whether it's

00:38:52.800 future forum or

00:38:53.840 uatx or teal fellows

00:38:55.480 or whatever it's

00:38:56.880 all the same

00:38:57.560 people yeah it's

00:38:58.560 just a circle yeah

00:38:59.420 I don't know

00:39:00.940 there are only like

00:39:01.900 10,000 intellectually

00:39:03.700 free young people

00:39:04.700 in the world or

00:39:05.440 something I don't

00:39:06.040 know not even

00:39:06.420 intellectually free

00:39:07.260 desiring to be

00:39:08.580 intellectually free

00:39:09.220 to your point

00:39:09.760 Brian they weren't

00:39:10.440 there necessarily

00:39:11.520 it is just the

00:39:13.600 people who are on

00:39:14.260 Twitter like that

00:39:15.760 I think is the

00:39:16.240 actual funnel that

00:39:17.480 the nexus of all

00:39:18.660 of this you know

00:39:19.500 if you're listening

00:39:20.080 Elon you know

00:39:21.540 the nexus of all

00:39:22.800 this is just is just

00:39:23.980 kids who are on

00:39:24.680 Twitter you know

00:39:25.760 that that's the

00:39:26.560 reason why you

00:39:27.620 know VC Twitter

00:39:28.900 or like VC people

00:39:30.460 and ML people

00:39:31.260 and you know

00:39:32.900 the classical

00:39:33.840 liberals and you

00:39:35.240 know the cat

00:39:36.340 girls are all

00:39:37.920 are all in the

00:39:38.680 same place it's

00:39:39.260 all just a circle

00:39:40.020 because it's all

00:39:40.760 just it's all just

00:39:41.440 Twitter yeah it's

00:39:44.000 interesting that you

00:39:44.740 say that the world

00:39:45.520 seems so small

00:39:46.680 after a certain

00:39:47.500 point right but

00:39:48.860 it just is right

00:39:50.120 this is also

00:39:50.780 something that I

00:39:51.380 realized after you

00:39:52.960 know going to

00:39:54.300 to DC and trying

00:39:55.360 to set up something

00:39:56.280 that like all of

00:39:57.620 the people who

00:39:58.840 are doing anything

00:40:00.340 interesting not

00:40:01.540 not like literally

00:40:02.200 all of them but

00:40:03.460 they're all people

00:40:04.120 who I like organically

00:40:05.340 encountered doing

00:40:06.520 the podcast before

00:40:07.620 that you know so

00:40:08.580 context for the

00:40:09.420 audience like I did

00:40:10.580 not talk about I

00:40:12.640 might like my day

00:40:13.560 job was in machine

00:40:14.240 learning engineering

00:40:14.920 I did not want to

00:40:15.900 talk about anything

00:40:16.860 related to machine

00:40:18.420 learning on the

00:40:19.160 podcast I was just

00:40:20.080 like sick of it for

00:40:21.960 for the longest time

00:40:23.380 until I like stopped

00:40:24.780 doing that as my

00:40:25.720 main job and I

00:40:27.340 interviewed like you

00:40:28.780 know John

00:40:29.360 Escones James

00:40:30.280 Poulos Sam

00:40:31.660 Hammond it was just

00:40:32.440 like all of the

00:40:33.440 people doing like the

00:40:34.340 most interesting

00:40:35.120 machine learning

00:40:35.780 policy stuff in DC

00:40:36.900 right now are I

00:40:38.360 mean James is not

00:40:38.980 in DC but all the

00:40:40.160 people doing the

00:40:40.740 most interesting

00:40:41.280 machine learning

00:40:41.840 stuff in DC or

00:40:42.980 in like adjacent

00:40:43.700 circles were people

00:40:45.560 who were on the

00:40:46.440 podcast for

00:40:47.200 unrelated reasons

00:40:48.560 no I mean you're

00:40:51.860 right that's just

00:40:52.500 what we've noticed

00:40:53.160 as well the world

00:40:53.980 smaller than people

00:40:55.260 think it is and

00:40:56.040 and you know

00:40:56.960 sometimes I look at

00:40:57.680 our listener numbers

00:40:58.580 and I'm like wow

00:40:59.300 they look like really

00:41:00.180 small and then

00:41:01.500 I'll talk to some

00:41:02.320 you know I don't

00:41:02.780 know random

00:41:03.360 whatever like VC

00:41:04.500 or billionaire I

00:41:05.220 didn't know and

00:41:05.760 they're like oh I

00:41:06.340 watch every episode

00:41:07.260 of your show and

00:41:08.140 I'm like that's

00:41:09.360 weird because only

00:41:10.520 like 4,000 people

00:41:11.760 watch but I assume

00:41:15.060 it's the same with

00:41:15.640 you right like it's

00:41:16.720 it's it's weird and

00:41:17.820 sad actually this

00:41:19.220 brings us to

00:41:19.720 something that

00:41:20.120 Simone was doing

00:41:20.740 where she was going

00:41:21.320 to YouTube and

00:41:21.940 she goes okay how

00:41:22.720 do we get big what

00:41:23.500 did the big channels

00:41:24.300 look like and so

00:41:25.500 she went to look at

00:41:26.380 all of the biggest

00:41:27.160 channels and what

00:41:28.700 was it that you

00:41:29.220 said about them

00:41:29.980 that it looked like

00:41:31.640 it was primarily

00:41:32.560 targeting lobotomized

00:41:34.660 audiences I mean not

00:41:36.120 really no it was it

00:41:36.860 was primarily targeting

00:41:37.680 people who were as I

00:41:39.980 said to Malcolm so low

00:41:41.400 on Maslow's hierarchy

00:41:42.400 of needs they just

00:41:43.160 didn't really have

00:41:43.620 bandwidth for anything

00:41:44.380 that's not that's

00:41:46.200 not more engaging

00:41:47.660 than a three stooges

00:41:50.240 skit which is modern

00:41:51.760 edition and in

00:41:52.860 culturally relevant

00:41:53.720 contexts if that

00:41:54.800 makes sense so

00:41:56.260 so I was talking

00:41:57.400 to someone who

00:41:58.020 had a lot of

00:41:59.400 experience writing

00:42:00.360 newsletter headlines

00:42:01.300 and he was like

00:42:03.600 exactly this the

00:42:04.740 overlap between the

00:42:06.740 people who I don't

00:42:11.480 know there are like

00:42:12.460 common there are like

00:42:13.540 examples of this so I

00:42:14.580 don't want to be like

00:42:15.260 too absolutist about

00:42:16.200 this but the overlap

00:42:17.420 between what you would

00:42:18.500 do to get a mass

00:42:20.020 audience and what you

00:42:21.720 would do to get you

00:42:22.760 know like a successful

00:42:23.860 like policy wise

00:42:24.820 successful audience

00:42:25.880 is very very close

00:42:28.240 to zero yes yeah

00:42:30.140 yes the the exception

00:42:32.360 might be like I

00:42:33.300 don't know Tucker

00:42:33.840 Carlson and he is

00:42:35.340 like highly online now

00:42:36.420 right like he's on

00:42:37.320 Twitter now the place

00:42:38.860 you know the place

00:42:39.600 where it all it all

00:42:41.200 goes yes he might

00:42:43.540 have been the last

00:42:44.200 one he might have

00:42:45.120 been the last

00:42:45.720 intersection between

00:42:47.060 normie popularity

00:42:48.300 and actual and

00:42:51.200 actual interesting

00:42:52.100 things going on yeah

00:42:54.200 that's hard to say

00:42:55.000 but outlook not

00:42:56.160 good I'm very

00:42:57.160 scared but this was

00:42:58.660 so fun no we as

00:43:00.780 as we all I think

00:43:01.660 discover more as

00:43:02.860 AI also gets better

00:43:03.920 especially we need to

00:43:05.020 touch base on this

00:43:06.100 topic again and see

00:43:07.180 where we've gone

00:43:08.060 further because I

00:43:08.840 feel like relationships

00:43:10.600 and interpersonal

00:43:12.120 dynamics are going to

00:43:13.260 go further off the

00:43:14.340 rails the more

00:43:16.060 advanced AI gets so

00:43:17.920 let's come back to

00:43:19.340 I think it's just

00:43:20.480 reveal preferences

00:43:21.280 you know this is

00:43:22.240 something that I

00:43:22.720 said you know you

00:43:23.520 should start doing

00:43:24.580 as a kind of like

00:43:25.500 healthy thought

00:43:26.120 experiment but once

00:43:27.200 you start doing it

00:43:27.920 as a healthy thought

00:43:28.560 experiment I think

00:43:30.000 your your world

00:43:31.160 model becomes

00:43:32.400 increasingly tilted

00:43:33.760 in that direction

00:43:35.060 and and I think

00:43:36.840 that's just been

00:43:37.460 like just in the

00:43:38.680 past few in the

00:43:39.680 past few years even

00:43:40.480 just proven to be

00:43:41.220 more correct like

00:43:42.560 you should assume

00:43:43.320 that people want

00:43:44.440 the things that

00:43:45.180 they take for

00:43:46.220 themselves I don't

00:43:47.980 know if that is

00:43:48.700 like controversial

00:43:49.400 but but but

00:43:51.140 people don't do it

00:43:51.800 enough that checks

00:43:53.200 out that checks

00:43:54.080 out we've loved

00:43:55.000 chatting with you

00:43:55.780 have a spectacular

00:43:57.600 day and listeners

00:43:59.760 please check out

00:44:00.460 his podcast yeah

00:44:02.340 that is the from

00:44:03.140 the new world

00:44:03.600 podcast and you

00:44:04.540 can find it at

00:44:05.180 from the new dot

00:44:06.220 world yes that is

00:44:08.000 where everything lives

00:44:08.820 now highly

00:44:09.900 recommended

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Based Camp - September 15, 2023

A Deeper Dive Into the Alt-Right Femboy Catgirls with with Brian Chau

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