Based Camp - September 15, 2023


A Deeper Dive Into the Alt-Right Femboy Catgirls with with Brian Chau


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Brian Chow is a senior policy fellow at the Alliance for the Future (AFT) and host of the excellent podcast From the New World. In this episode, we talk about the alt-right catboys of the internet, and why they have a problem with anime.

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00:00:00.000 This episode specifically was in part an excuse for me
00:00:04.940 to interrogate the love lives of my Zoomer friends. 0.92
00:00:09.060 I am on the older side of the Zoomers. 0.67
00:00:12.340 And yeah, I basically asked, I asked around,
00:00:16.160 I asked all three of the alt-right Catboys
00:00:18.920 that I know in real life.
00:00:23.020 Yeah, and basically tried to get a kind of just all,
00:00:28.920 like we were talking about a kind of summary of their love lives.
00:00:35.500 People were very happy to offer, you know,
00:00:37.860 these kind of predilections, being into,
00:00:40.120 especially a certain type of anime girls. 1.00
00:00:41.880 I feel like there is, if you talk about a real life person
00:00:46.100 who you're attracted to,
00:00:47.680 I think there's this soft idea of civil rights law
00:00:50.620 coming after you, or people you know,
00:00:53.700 who feel, who are like similar in appearance,
00:00:56.520 feeling uncomfortable with that.
00:00:57.920 And that's something that Zoomers kind of want to avoid. 1.00
00:01:01.260 But the same is not true for anime girls.
00:01:04.600 So it's almost considerable.
00:01:05.840 This is like this kind of weird post-sexuality thing.
00:01:09.700 Would you like to know more?
00:01:11.020 Well, hello.
00:01:11.820 We are super excited to have a VIP guest with us today,
00:01:15.040 Brian Chow.
00:01:15.880 He is first and foremost, in our minds, of course,
00:01:19.400 and from the past quite a while,
00:01:21.700 the host of the amazing podcast, From the New World.
00:01:24.460 Really good long listen if you are looking for something good
00:01:27.980 to listen to, to learn from.
00:01:31.160 Amazing interviews.
00:01:32.380 But more recently, Brian has become a senior machine learning policy fellow
00:01:36.960 at the Alliance for the Future,
00:01:38.800 something that we shall talk about in another episode with him.
00:01:42.020 But today, I think we're going to get into something really interesting.
00:01:45.380 Brian, do you want to kick us off here?
00:01:47.240 Right, so I was listening to another great podcast,
00:01:52.280 Basecamp, with Simone and Malcolm Collins.
00:01:56.620 Yeah, so I listened to an episode that you guys did on your own about,
00:02:02.060 it was one of the ones about Zoomer sexuality.
00:02:04.580 And I thought, I have so many takes on this.
00:02:07.300 And I'm not populating my sub stack with my Zoomer sexuality takes. 0.66
00:02:11.520 Maybe like the paid feed.
00:02:12.880 But, you know, there's so many other things that I'm working on right now
00:02:17.000 that I just want to be more,
00:02:18.840 I just want the sub stack to be more laser focused on.
00:02:21.680 The podcast is more laser focused on.
00:02:23.160 More serious.
00:02:24.220 Yeah, you're high culture.
00:02:25.660 We're low culture.
00:02:26.540 Serious, okay.
00:02:27.320 Yeah, yeah, we will be talking about that eventually.
00:02:30.200 And yeah, I thought this was a great venue to talk about it.
00:02:33.820 I think that we have, you know, some similarities,
00:02:35.960 some disagreements probably.
00:02:37.800 But I do think that there's just not enough,
00:02:40.140 there's just not enough like horizontal exploration of this idea, right?
00:02:44.800 This idea of kind of changing the axis,
00:02:50.140 changing how people interpret sexuality,
00:02:52.920 the kind of like default narrative.
00:02:54.260 This is the theme of my podcast often.
00:02:57.020 So there's this kind of default narrative.
00:02:58.600 And this is like orthogonal to like the actual thing that's happening.
00:03:01.300 I think the episode, of course, that really, really struck through to me
00:03:07.260 was the one about, I think, like submissive and dominance.
00:03:10.600 But also, you know, also, this wasn't, this was actually after,
00:03:16.420 this was released after I reached out to you guys,
00:03:18.800 but also the one on alt-right cat girls.
00:03:21.300 That is a very, very important topic of our generation.
00:03:24.400 No, it's such a thing is that the concept of the alt-right cat girl
00:03:28.500 I keep seeing and the, as the right has,
00:03:32.780 because it used to be like the left was sex positive
00:03:35.180 and the right was sex negative to some extent.
00:03:37.840 And now the left has totally seeded any,
00:03:41.240 any manifestation that is sex, sex positive for men.
00:03:47.180 You know, if I'm, if I want my Overwatch to have, you know, 0.99
00:03:51.160 sexy tracer butt, that is a right-wing idea, 1.00
00:03:54.760 which is really interesting. 0.99
00:03:56.120 Right, it's the ball, it's the barstool conservatives, right? 0.98
00:04:00.840 It's the, yeah, yeah, the, the party of, the party of horny men 0.99
00:04:04.660 and also the people who hate horny men the most. 0.97
00:04:07.000 Yeah, I think that's a good description of the Republican Party. 0.52
00:04:09.800 Although, you know, although some of the, some of the,
00:04:12.860 the, the right, the right-wing elite, you know,
00:04:15.120 are coming around to it.
00:04:16.580 Have you guys talked about Bronze Age Pervert on the show? 0.98
00:04:19.420 No.
00:04:19.600 I'd love for you to go deeper.
00:04:22.380 Yeah.
00:04:22.800 Okay, okay.
00:04:23.920 So, yeah, so Bronze Age Pervert is this, 0.96
00:04:27.000 very hard to describe in one sentence.
00:04:29.340 His, his philosophy is Nietzsche and bodybuilding.
00:04:35.160 Done, easy.
00:04:36.420 Yeah, yeah.
00:04:36.700 You describe him as like a poet.
00:04:38.620 He's much more interested in conveying poetry
00:04:41.360 and an aesthetic than specific ideas
00:04:43.900 in a way that is really interesting
00:04:46.660 and a new art form that works within the online medium.
00:04:49.840 Yeah, it's very practiced affectation.
00:04:52.780 Yes, but I fear that sometimes people confuse
00:04:56.740 what he's saying with a systematically
00:04:59.440 and internally consistent world perspective,
00:05:02.160 which it's not.
00:05:03.080 It's an aesthetically consistent moral perspective,
00:05:05.880 but not really a logically consistent moral perspective.
00:05:09.880 Right, right.
00:05:10.460 I mean, this is something that I try to do as well.
00:05:12.940 There's, you know, there's,
00:05:14.440 if you look at the history of it,
00:05:15.900 there's, you know, political theory,
00:05:17.140 you know, there's like Hobbes' long treatises
00:05:20.020 on, you know, how to run a state
00:05:22.620 and the role of the citizen within the state.
00:05:25.440 And, you know, that's one thing.
00:05:28.020 I think that, you know,
00:05:29.140 other than autistic theory nerds,
00:05:31.080 very few people are going to read anything like that.
00:05:33.580 Maybe for your political science class,
00:05:35.220 you know, maybe there are like kids
00:05:36.640 who are sitting through their political science class
00:05:38.600 who are listening to this.
00:05:39.660 And then there's, on the other hand,
00:05:43.920 these kind of like fully affective manifestos.
00:05:47.900 And usually the way that I see it bridged
00:05:50.480 is I see people giving like Straussian interpretations
00:05:54.220 of basically artworks or of culture,
00:05:58.220 of different approaches to these things.
00:06:00.460 And using that as a way to create something
00:06:03.520 that is normative,
00:06:07.020 that is creating some sort of logical order,
00:06:10.720 but without necessarily committing to,
00:06:13.640 you know, the kind of legalism
00:06:15.120 of someone like Hobbes.
00:06:17.900 I think that's the goal of the Bronze Age mindset. 0.98
00:06:20.580 It's a lot more obvious if you look at,
00:06:23.080 for example,
00:06:23.620 I think Christopher Rufo is a good example of this.
00:06:26.300 Yeah.
00:06:26.640 Of someone who is,
00:06:28.240 like Christopher Rufo supports specific policies,
00:06:31.440 I'm not sure he has like a consistent political theory,
00:06:35.220 you know,
00:06:35.520 like a theory of how the world works,
00:06:37.940 how the political system should works
00:06:39.500 in the same way that,
00:06:41.020 you know,
00:06:41.300 like classical liberalism
00:06:42.600 or, you know,
00:06:43.600 like Burkean conservatism is a political theory.
00:06:46.620 It's very different from that,
00:06:47.980 but he does have both an aesthetic
00:06:49.580 and, you know,
00:06:50.240 at least like a direction
00:06:51.340 or a combination of things
00:06:52.640 that he's trying to accomplish.
00:06:54.380 Yeah.
00:06:54.880 Well, I'd love to hear
00:06:55.800 what's your thesis
00:06:56.880 on how gender and sexuality are changing,
00:06:59.320 personally.
00:07:00.580 Right.
00:07:00.960 So there's just like a huge dominance shortage.
00:07:04.140 Right.
00:07:04.320 You just see this.
00:07:05.340 You see this everywhere.
00:07:06.280 Actually,
00:07:06.720 I'm not sure like how everywhere you see this.
00:07:09.640 Right.
00:07:09.860 But this was in part,
00:07:12.400 like this episode specifically
00:07:14.100 was in part an excuse for me
00:07:17.580 to interrogate the love lives
00:07:19.820 of my Zoomer friends.
00:07:21.640 I am on the older side of the Zoomers. 0.67
00:07:24.440 I have many,
00:07:25.040 you know,
00:07:25.380 many friends.
00:07:26.360 Some of them,
00:07:26.840 I assure you,
00:07:27.580 are good people.
00:07:29.560 And yeah,
00:07:30.260 I basically asked,
00:07:31.620 I asked around,
00:07:33.400 I talked about,
00:07:34.580 you know,
00:07:35.440 what issues we were going to discuss.
00:07:36.760 I asked all three of the alt-right catboys
00:07:39.700 that I know in real life.
00:07:43.880 Yeah.
00:07:44.760 And basically tried to get
00:07:48.080 a kind of gestalt,
00:07:49.820 like we were talking about,
00:07:51.900 a kind of summary
00:07:53.380 of their love lives.
00:07:55.120 and,
00:07:56.820 you know,
00:07:58.020 my,
00:07:58.180 my old advice,
00:08:00.440 my old advice
00:08:01.780 to my fellow Zoomers
00:08:03.600 was just,
00:08:04.640 you know,
00:08:05.100 it's actually very similar
00:08:06.180 to something that you talked about
00:08:07.400 in,
00:08:08.480 in,
00:08:08.740 in your book
00:08:09.360 that,
00:08:10.160 you know,
00:08:10.520 10Xing the number of people
00:08:11.940 you interact with
00:08:13.420 does,
00:08:14.300 accomplishes the same thing
00:08:15.620 as making yourself
00:08:16.660 10X more attractive.
00:08:18.100 Right.
00:08:18.400 Like the chance of finding someone,
00:08:21.140 the chance of finding someone good
00:08:22.800 is,
00:08:23.420 is the same
00:08:24.100 if you,
00:08:25.040 if you do both of those things,
00:08:26.380 right?
00:08:26.880 If you're,
00:08:27.240 if you're specifically looking
00:08:28.360 for one person
00:08:29.080 who is,
00:08:29.540 you know,
00:08:29.660 compatible with you.
00:08:30.980 So before you say no,
00:08:32.540 I want to make way
00:08:33.400 to predictions
00:08:33.980 so that you can correct me
00:08:35.080 where I'm wrong
00:08:35.680 or where I think
00:08:36.960 Gen Z is.
00:08:38.220 And I want you to like,
00:08:39.360 from your interview,
00:08:40.080 this is where you're totally off.
00:08:41.960 So one is,
00:08:43.180 or maybe there's more
00:08:43.980 than two things.
00:08:44.620 Basically,
00:08:45.020 they're not having sex
00:08:46.100 or they're moving more
00:08:47.300 in a direction of asexuality
00:08:48.940 or post-sexuality
00:08:50.540 that there's,
00:08:51.640 there is more conservatism,
00:08:53.720 but not in ways
00:08:54.680 that you would expect.
00:08:55.760 It's not,
00:08:56.440 oh,
00:08:56.480 we should go back
00:08:57.180 to the old ways 0.70
00:08:58.420 or the traditional ways
00:08:59.400 or religious ways,
00:09:00.300 but more like
00:09:01.100 men and women
00:09:02.260 are quite different.
00:09:03.780 Maybe we should bring back
00:09:05.320 monogamy,
00:09:06.880 you know,
00:09:07.080 like things are really bad
00:09:08.120 right now,
00:09:08.680 but then also like
00:09:10.160 extreme levels of,
00:09:11.520 relationship nihilism.
00:09:13.720 Like,
00:09:14.000 not if it matters,
00:09:15.120 I'm going to be alone forever.
00:09:16.400 Like the same,
00:09:17.280 the same thing
00:09:17.860 that millennials experienced
00:09:19.060 with wealth.
00:09:20.300 Like,
00:09:20.740 I'm never going to be able
00:09:21.480 to afford a house
00:09:22.320 or I'm never going to
00:09:22.920 not have student debt.
00:09:24.300 Gen Z is going through 0.99
00:09:25.760 with, 0.96
00:09:26.480 with sex
00:09:27.340 and relationship
00:09:28.300 and marriage.
00:09:29.060 Well,
00:09:29.500 I'm never going to get married.
00:09:30.940 I'm never going to have a spouse.
00:09:31.920 I'm never going to have kids.
00:09:32.980 So where,
00:09:33.940 where am I wrong here?
00:09:35.860 Yeah,
00:09:36.020 the relationship
00:09:36.860 humorism
00:09:37.500 is definitely
00:09:38.520 a real thing.
00:09:40.440 That,
00:09:40.880 that is almost
00:09:41.620 100% right.
00:09:43.400 There are people
00:09:44.120 I know
00:09:44.560 who have
00:09:45.060 a kind of
00:09:45.520 conservative disposition
00:09:46.940 who are
00:09:48.280 basically like,
00:09:51.080 well,
00:09:51.900 I'm not going to
00:09:52.740 find a trad wife 1.00
00:09:53.620 anyway,
00:09:53.980 so might as well,
00:09:55.260 you know,
00:09:55.780 do hookups
00:09:56.340 or whatever.
00:09:57.220 Hmm.
00:09:57.420 that is a real thing.
00:10:00.020 I do think it is
00:10:00.860 a real
00:10:01.560 and very common thing.
00:10:03.540 I should say
00:10:04.300 for the audience,
00:10:05.040 you know,
00:10:05.340 that this doesn't matter
00:10:06.140 a lot.
00:10:06.840 It is mostly,
00:10:07.840 you know,
00:10:08.040 like college educated
00:10:09.100 people,
00:10:10.340 probably like
00:10:11.100 more,
00:10:13.020 more Asian,
00:10:13.900 but not like that Asian. 1.00
00:10:16.100 But,
00:10:16.560 but yeah,
00:10:16.860 you know,
00:10:17.400 what you would expect
00:10:18.800 on like
00:10:19.600 an MIT-ish campus,
00:10:21.580 right?
00:10:22.300 Or not,
00:10:22.760 you know,
00:10:22.940 not MIT specifically.
00:10:24.060 So continue.
00:10:24.760 I want to hear specifically.
00:10:25.980 So you interviewed
00:10:26.520 three people.
00:10:27.660 What did they say?
00:10:28.200 Oh,
00:10:28.300 I interviewed a lot
00:10:28.900 more than three people.
00:10:29.880 I interviewed a lot
00:10:30.420 more than three people.
00:10:31.400 Yeah.
00:10:31.880 So the number one thing
00:10:33.040 when it comes to
00:10:33.680 the other topic,
00:10:35.660 right,
00:10:36.100 which is this kind of,
00:10:38.060 I don't think
00:10:38.600 it's a conservatism.
00:10:40.220 It's a kind of 0.94
00:10:41.660 porn addiction.
00:10:42.920 I don't know.
00:10:43.580 It's,
00:10:43.980 I think,
00:10:45.800 Simone,
00:10:46.140 when you were on
00:10:46.700 my podcast,
00:10:47.580 you talked about
00:10:48.520 the best alternative
00:10:49.760 to no agreement
00:10:51.820 or something like that.
00:10:53.100 Yeah.
00:10:53.300 for people in relationships.
00:10:55.300 So the best alternative
00:10:56.380 to a negotiated offer,
00:10:57.980 essentially,
00:10:58.460 like,
00:10:59.100 what are you going to do
00:10:59.540 if you don't get a deal?
00:11:00.700 That's,
00:11:01.040 that's what it seems like.
00:11:02.160 A lot of people are just,
00:11:03.560 you know,
00:11:04.660 it's a very happy equilibrium
00:11:06.240 for them to just be 1.00
00:11:07.720 like jerking off to porn. 1.00
00:11:10.200 That's their, 1.00
00:11:11.040 you know,
00:11:11.280 that's their main
00:11:12.120 way to consume
00:11:14.300 sexuality.
00:11:15.720 And they really,
00:11:16.840 there are a lot of people
00:11:17.780 who,
00:11:18.780 you know,
00:11:19.020 just know like all kinds
00:11:20.180 of crazy things,
00:11:21.660 know all kinds of,
00:11:22.900 you know,
00:11:23.140 tricks in order
00:11:24.080 to pleasure themselves
00:11:25.080 who really have
00:11:27.540 no relationship
00:11:28.420 experience whatsoever.
00:11:29.940 Maybe they've done
00:11:30.520 hookups or something
00:11:31.140 like that.
00:11:31.820 But this is a very,
00:11:32.600 this is a very common
00:11:33.480 thing that happens
00:11:34.900 where I think
00:11:36.480 they'll log on
00:11:37.460 to an internet forum.
00:11:38.500 They have,
00:11:38.900 they're like people
00:11:39.480 with no social skills.
00:11:41.540 And I do mean
00:11:42.700 like none.
00:11:44.340 This is not
00:11:45.120 an exaggeration.
00:11:46.000 And they'll log on
00:11:46.660 to like these internet forums
00:11:47.760 and just talk to,
00:11:50.260 just talk to like
00:11:51.000 strangers online.
00:11:51.860 That's their default,
00:11:52.620 right?
00:11:52.780 You know,
00:11:53.300 you,
00:11:53.720 you,
00:11:54.040 you go on Stack Overflow
00:11:55.140 to solve your
00:11:56.340 computer science problems.
00:11:57.820 I thought you said
00:11:58.300 to solve your
00:11:58.900 relationship problems.
00:11:59.920 I'm like,
00:12:00.200 this is something.
00:12:01.700 Yeah.
00:12:02.140 Yeah.
00:12:02.380 So people are going,
00:12:03.640 people are going
00:12:04.360 on Reddit forums
00:12:05.280 and,
00:12:06.140 and like Twitter,
00:12:07.160 x.com,
00:12:08.320 you know,
00:12:08.840 yeah,
00:12:09.240 they're going
00:12:11.740 on the
00:12:12.040 appropriately named
00:12:12.960 x.com to ask
00:12:14.360 for their
00:12:15.600 relationship advice
00:12:17.660 and mostly getting,
00:12:18.760 you know,
00:12:19.480 substitutes for
00:12:20.180 relationship advice.
00:12:21.600 That I think
00:12:22.160 is the trend.
00:12:24.020 Yeah.
00:12:24.300 Well,
00:12:24.460 okay.
00:12:24.660 So here's a question
00:12:25.440 I have.
00:12:26.080 So in my generation
00:12:27.500 and I'm wondering
00:12:28.500 if this is part,
00:12:29.240 because we talk about
00:12:29.980 how people are changing
00:12:30.800 biologically,
00:12:31.840 but,
00:12:32.600 and we talk about
00:12:33.420 failed relationship markets,
00:12:34.920 but I think one thing
00:12:36.420 that's,
00:12:36.880 that's not talked
00:12:37.720 about enough
00:12:38.680 is that in my generation,
00:12:40.140 our primary social networks
00:12:41.800 were our in-person
00:12:42.820 friend networks.
00:12:43.880 And therefore the primary
00:12:45.700 thing that motivated me
00:12:47.240 to sleep around a lot,
00:12:48.300 like I slept around a lot,
00:12:49.600 like in person
00:12:50.300 when I was younger,
00:12:50.880 it was not actually
00:12:52.720 getting to sleep
00:12:53.540 with people.
00:12:54.620 It was the way
00:12:55.780 my peer network
00:12:56.820 saw me
00:12:58.000 because I was sleeping
00:12:59.520 with lots of people.
00:13:00.500 And I wonder
00:13:01.340 if the breakdown
00:13:02.780 of in-person
00:13:03.540 social networks
00:13:04.760 has removed
00:13:06.300 a lot of the motivation
00:13:07.600 for real
00:13:09.500 sexual encounters
00:13:10.440 versus just 0.99
00:13:11.060 masturbation. 0.97
00:13:12.520 Yeah,
00:13:13.140 I think so.
00:13:13.880 It's like an
00:13:14.560 asocial thing.
00:13:16.420 Definitely,
00:13:16.920 I think,
00:13:17.620 you know,
00:13:17.880 less than,
00:13:19.400 less than the decline
00:13:20.840 in like actual sex,
00:13:21.940 I think it's like
00:13:22.440 the decline
00:13:22.880 in talking about sex.
00:13:24.780 It's just like,
00:13:25.220 you know,
00:13:25.560 like exers
00:13:26.280 and boomers
00:13:28.040 would talk to me
00:13:28.900 about how
00:13:29.480 there's a kind of
00:13:30.280 like implicit
00:13:30.700 status hierarchy,
00:13:32.160 especially among men.
00:13:33.180 Maybe it's not,
00:13:34.240 I don't think
00:13:34.760 it's the same
00:13:35.200 with women
00:13:35.600 of,
00:13:36.880 you know,
00:13:37.040 there's pressure
00:13:37.860 to lose your virginity. 0.83
00:13:39.240 There's pressure 0.96
00:13:40.020 to sleep around.
00:13:42.980 And I have never
00:13:44.860 experienced that.
00:13:45.740 I think most of the people
00:13:46.680 I talk to,
00:13:48.300 there's no pressure,
00:13:50.140 especially,
00:13:50.920 I think actually
00:13:51.580 this is a thing
00:13:54.420 that I feel like
00:13:55.180 is very wrong
00:13:56.120 and maybe very dependent
00:13:57.380 on selection bias.
00:13:58.800 But I feel like
00:13:59.320 there's almost more
00:14:00.040 of a pressure
00:14:00.440 for women than men
00:14:01.340 among Zoomers. 1.00
00:14:02.200 To have sex. 0.99
00:14:03.200 At least among 0.97
00:14:03.960 the ones that I
00:14:04.820 talked to.
00:14:05.900 Yeah.
00:14:06.700 You could please
00:14:08.000 elaborate on that.
00:14:09.040 Yeah.
00:14:10.700 So,
00:14:11.520 I mean,
00:14:12.560 I think with most men
00:14:13.520 it's just neutral.
00:14:14.480 There is a kind of,
00:14:15.580 you know,
00:14:16.220 basically
00:14:17.080 completely,
00:14:18.340 you know,
00:14:19.620 biological desire.
00:14:22.340 People have innate desires.
00:14:23.920 That's not,
00:14:24.380 I don't think that's changed.
00:14:25.760 But as a kind of social force,
00:14:27.580 I don't think it's,
00:14:28.600 it exists.
00:14:29.260 Or if anything,
00:14:30.660 there are,
00:14:31.360 it is almost discouraged
00:14:32.520 to talk about it
00:14:33.460 among men.
00:14:35.800 Whereas among women, 0.99
00:14:37.700 I think there is,
00:14:39.360 it is much more
00:14:40.100 high variance,
00:14:41.040 I would say.
00:14:41.540 There are definitely,
00:14:42.220 you know,
00:14:42.440 families that are much
00:14:43.160 more conservative
00:14:43.720 about this,
00:14:45.220 especially immigrants.
00:14:46.520 But I think like
00:14:47.060 among white women, 0.93
00:14:48.640 it is among the few
00:14:51.600 that I talked to.
00:14:53.260 And I want to say,
00:14:54.560 you know,
00:14:54.720 this is not that large
00:14:55.660 of a sample size.
00:14:56.380 So I'm like,
00:14:57.580 I'm 95% sure
00:14:59.060 it's like sample size
00:15:00.140 or like selection bias problems.
00:15:03.240 Both of them said,
00:15:04.500 but both white women 1.00
00:15:05.460 who I talked to,
00:15:06.780 like Zoomer white women, 1.00
00:15:08.120 said that they felt encouraged
00:15:09.780 to do such a thing.
00:15:11.680 Not like strongly,
00:15:12.540 you know,
00:15:12.900 like you must,
00:15:14.120 you know,
00:15:14.380 you're the most alpha
00:15:15.340 if you sleep with a lot of people.
00:15:17.080 But,
00:15:17.480 but you know,
00:15:18.040 that this is a good
00:15:19.620 and healthy thing
00:15:21.000 to do in your life.
00:15:22.540 Yeah.
00:15:22.800 I think probably a better way
00:15:23.660 to think of it was women 1.00
00:15:24.280 is this is how you're not
00:15:25.280 cast out of the group.
00:15:27.380 This is how you're normal.
00:15:30.620 Or is that wrong?
00:15:31.380 I would say so.
00:15:32.360 I would say so.
00:15:33.340 Yeah.
00:15:34.260 That's one way
00:15:34.940 to think about it.
00:15:35.900 How do they think
00:15:36.620 about deviant sexuality?
00:15:38.400 The people you talk to,
00:15:39.340 especially the right wing Zoomers,
00:15:41.240 I find very interesting
00:15:42.040 how they think about
00:15:42.800 deviant or weird sexuality.
00:15:45.580 The right wing Zoomers, 0.99
00:15:47.020 I would say that more in general,
00:15:48.340 there's like a blurring of the line.
00:15:49.880 It's not very,
00:15:51.100 they're almost not aware
00:15:52.400 that it's deviant sexuality 0.86
00:15:54.380 or what specifically
00:15:56.180 do you mean here?
00:15:56.980 Do you mean homosexuality?
00:15:59.000 No, no, no. 0.89
00:15:59.600 So cat girlism, 1.00
00:16:00.720 I find is the,
00:16:02.540 I mean,
00:16:02.880 that's the totem
00:16:04.320 that we were raising
00:16:05.040 in that podcast
00:16:05.780 was this idea
00:16:06.580 that cat girlism 0.98
00:16:07.460 is a quote unquote 0.87
00:16:08.720 deviant sexuality,
00:16:09.740 but every guy thinks
00:16:11.520 anime cat girls are cute, 0.99
00:16:12.760 you know?
00:16:13.480 And so it's not actually
00:16:15.020 a deviant sexuality.
00:16:16.360 And that's why 0.51
00:16:17.160 it's become this totem
00:16:18.660 for the portion
00:16:20.300 of the right
00:16:20.820 that's trying to reclaim
00:16:21.800 male sexuality.
00:16:22.780 But I wonder how
00:16:24.660 other people,
00:16:25.940 you know,
00:16:26.060 whether it's femboyism
00:16:27.000 or anything else,
00:16:28.680 how they're interacting.
00:16:30.960 Is there anything
00:16:31.800 where they're like,
00:16:32.400 this is bad sexuality 0.98
00:16:33.480 and this is good sexuality? 0.53
00:16:35.000 Or is it just like
00:16:36.000 all good sexuality?
00:16:37.540 Or is it just like sexuality? 0.98
00:16:39.100 Is this like black muck 0.99
00:16:41.020 that's ruining everything?
00:16:42.620 Yeah.
00:16:42.760 There is no understanding
00:16:44.520 that an attraction
00:16:45.640 to cat girls
00:16:46.640 is unhealthy in any way.
00:16:48.500 This is something
00:16:49.320 that is accepted
00:16:51.120 as normal
00:16:52.600 and ordinary.
00:16:53.760 It's not,
00:16:54.480 you know,
00:16:54.680 every person,
00:16:56.380 every guy I talk to
00:16:57.260 is into cat girls.
00:16:58.780 But this is just,
00:17:00.040 you know,
00:17:00.460 this is not seen
00:17:01.580 as some kind
00:17:02.260 of weird thing now.
00:17:03.660 And I think
00:17:04.180 the same thing
00:17:05.000 is true 0.89
00:17:05.720 for a lot of similar
00:17:07.120 kind of,
00:17:07.660 you know,
00:17:07.980 soft fetishes,
00:17:09.060 quote unquote.
00:17:10.020 Right.
00:17:11.120 Both among men 0.89
00:17:13.060 and women, 1.00
00:17:13.780 I think.
00:17:14.620 You know,
00:17:14.740 people still,
00:17:15.680 people,
00:17:16.480 you know,
00:17:17.120 still consider it
00:17:17.980 like a different thing.
00:17:19.320 You know,
00:17:19.540 I think like Zoomer,
00:17:21.460 even like Zoomer conservatives
00:17:22.600 are fine with someone 0.89
00:17:23.880 being gay or lesbian,
00:17:24.760 but they still notice it
00:17:25.680 as like a different thing.
00:17:27.100 You know,
00:17:27.380 like it wouldn't be like,
00:17:28.520 oh,
00:17:28.760 oh,
00:17:28.920 that's like very unremarkable.
00:17:30.360 And now that I know
00:17:30.860 that my friend 0.82
00:17:31.400 is like gay or lesbian.
00:17:32.480 No,
00:17:32.780 but like people will
00:17:34.600 have that.
00:17:35.400 Right.
00:17:35.780 And I think this is also
00:17:36.980 reflected in how,
00:17:38.320 you know,
00:17:38.440 easily they would mention
00:17:39.260 these things to me.
00:17:40.360 You know,
00:17:40.540 they're also,
00:17:41.260 this is a kind of
00:17:41.940 selection bias as well
00:17:43.060 of like people,
00:17:44.340 you know,
00:17:45.060 maybe not mentioning to me
00:17:46.420 like more extreme things.
00:17:47.980 But people were very happy
00:17:49.060 to offer,
00:17:49.900 you know,
00:17:50.400 these kind of predilections
00:17:51.800 being into,
00:17:52.660 especially a certain type
00:17:53.560 of anime girls.
00:17:54.460 I feel like there is,
00:17:55.820 if you talk about
00:17:56.600 a real life person
00:17:58.640 who you're attracted to,
00:18:00.240 I think there's this
00:18:00.940 soft idea of civil rights law
00:18:03.160 coming,
00:18:03.940 coming after you.
00:18:04.920 If,
00:18:05.140 or people,
00:18:05.760 you know,
00:18:06.220 who feel,
00:18:06.960 who are like similar
00:18:07.960 in appearance,
00:18:09.060 feeling uncomfortable
00:18:09.780 with that.
00:18:10.900 And that's something
00:18:11.840 that Zoomers kind of 1.00
00:18:12.540 want to avoid,
00:18:13.780 but that's the same
00:18:14.840 is not true
00:18:15.420 for,
00:18:15.860 for anime girls.
00:18:16.840 So,
00:18:17.200 so it's almost
00:18:17.720 considerable.
00:18:18.400 This is like,
00:18:18.740 this is like,
00:18:19.060 this kind of like weird
00:18:19.840 post sexuality thing
00:18:22.040 that you're talking about.
00:18:22.900 I agree.
00:18:23.740 That's like the right way
00:18:24.380 to frame it.
00:18:25.420 That's really interesting.
00:18:26.980 So let me,
00:18:28.100 give me like one more
00:18:29.420 like highly quotable sentence.
00:18:31.620 It's,
00:18:32.220 you know,
00:18:32.600 it is the separation
00:18:34.460 of attraction
00:18:36.340 and physicality.
00:18:37.720 That's what I think it is.
00:18:40.120 Elaborate on that
00:18:40.900 statement a bit.
00:18:42.000 Sorry.
00:18:42.200 So,
00:18:44.180 okay.
00:18:44.560 So,
00:18:44.680 so I'll tell
00:18:45.180 one very funny
00:18:46.700 case study
00:18:47.460 of,
00:18:49.420 so you probably
00:18:50.340 have heard this,
00:18:51.100 you know,
00:18:51.260 this is more of a thing
00:18:52.180 among progressive circles,
00:18:53.420 but people will talk
00:18:54.680 about,
00:18:55.040 you know,
00:18:55.300 sexuality versus
00:18:56.400 romantic attraction.
00:18:57.840 Right.
00:18:58.600 And I'm not sure
00:18:59.360 like how serious
00:19:00.800 of a thing this is.
00:19:01.600 For example,
00:19:01.940 some people will say
00:19:03.360 they're like asexual 0.91
00:19:04.900 but biromantic.
00:19:06.440 Right.
00:19:06.580 And will your audience
00:19:09.260 know what that means?
00:19:10.280 I don't know.
00:19:10.600 This is a thing
00:19:11.080 that left-wingers
00:19:11.660 will all know
00:19:12.060 what it means
00:19:12.620 because it's pretty
00:19:13.340 common among them.
00:19:14.660 But it's basically
00:19:15.320 someone who has
00:19:16.160 no sexual attraction
00:19:17.260 does not want
00:19:17.820 to have sex 0.89
00:19:18.340 with people in general 0.96
00:19:19.800 but wants to date
00:19:22.120 and be softly affectionate
00:19:23.860 with both men and women.
00:19:25.560 Mm-hmm.
00:19:26.020 Mm-hmm.
00:19:26.860 And this,
00:19:29.200 I think,
00:19:29.400 is the clearest example.
00:19:31.520 There's also,
00:19:32.500 there's also someone
00:19:33.260 who I talked to 0.71
00:19:33.980 who is basically gay 0.95
00:19:35.700 in terms of,
00:19:36.880 you know,
00:19:37.540 sex acts
00:19:38.140 but is like romantically 0.51
00:19:39.380 attracted to women.
00:19:41.060 Hmm.
00:19:42.480 And I do think this is,
00:19:44.100 I do think this is
00:19:45.280 increasingly common.
00:19:46.000 I don't think it's
00:19:46.480 extremely common.
00:19:47.460 It's mostly still men 1.00
00:19:48.520 who are, you know,
00:19:49.480 attracted to women
00:19:50.220 both romantically
00:19:50.900 and sexually
00:19:51.480 and vice versa.
00:19:52.520 I don't think it's
00:19:53.100 extremely common
00:19:53.860 but it's,
00:19:55.320 it is definitely
00:19:56.500 becoming more of a thing.
00:19:58.520 Yeah.
00:19:58.840 So to this end,
00:20:00.060 I feel like I have
00:20:00.780 a lot of Zoomer friend
00:20:02.320 who I've talked to
00:20:03.360 about this sort of thing
00:20:04.300 and of the right-wing ones,
00:20:07.060 I have seen
00:20:07.840 basically zero homophobia.
00:20:10.380 I have seen
00:20:10.740 no uncomfortable
00:20:11.700 with gayness at all 0.99
00:20:13.120 in the right-wing Zoomer audience.
00:20:14.620 Is that something
00:20:15.260 you've noticed as well
00:20:16.020 or have you seen any real?
00:20:17.760 Among IRL people,
00:20:18.880 yeah.
00:20:19.340 Among online posters,
00:20:21.360 no, no.
00:20:22.700 Direction.
00:20:23.680 That's just,
00:20:24.300 I don't know,
00:20:24.880 tradition.
00:20:25.120 That's just online posters.
00:20:26.560 Yes.
00:20:27.860 But even then,
00:20:30.380 I think it's,
00:20:31.220 you know,
00:20:31.540 the kind of archetype
00:20:33.160 of a southern dad
00:20:34.280 who would believe
00:20:34.940 so strongly
00:20:35.680 in his faith
00:20:36.980 and that,
00:20:37.380 you know, 1.00
00:20:38.060 homosexuality is evil 1.00
00:20:39.480 that he would separate 1.00
00:20:40.340 off his son, 1.00
00:20:42.120 his gay son 1.00
00:20:42.900 or lesbian daughter
00:20:43.740 from the family.
00:20:45.320 I don't think
00:20:45.780 it's that kind
00:20:46.840 of homophobia.
00:20:48.240 It's kind of like,
00:20:48.900 it's like the,
00:20:49.400 like the, 0.82
00:20:49.820 like race shitposting
00:20:52.300 stuff
00:20:53.060 where,
00:20:54.100 you know,
00:20:54.480 they'll be very happy
00:20:55.600 to say,
00:20:56.360 you know,
00:20:56.640 look at these
00:20:57.440 separate crime rates,
00:20:58.880 you know,
00:20:59.360 or even to go further
00:21:00.780 to that,
00:21:01.320 right,
00:21:01.520 to say like
00:21:02.380 prescriptive things
00:21:03.340 about race
00:21:03.980 and like what policies
00:21:04.980 they would want
00:21:05.820 or like encouraging,
00:21:07.140 you know,
00:21:07.580 segregation practice.
00:21:09.180 But in terms of,
00:21:09.800 if that person had
00:21:10.640 a black friend 0.93
00:21:11.420 or a gay friend,
00:21:12.120 I think it would be 0.80
00:21:12.920 not too different
00:21:14.020 than,
00:21:14.560 you know,
00:21:14.700 the rest of Zoomers.
00:21:15.600 They would basically
00:21:16.140 be fine with it.
00:21:17.380 And you do see this
00:21:18.500 with the exception,
00:21:20.120 the accepting of people
00:21:21.260 like Dave Rubin
00:21:22.180 or of,
00:21:23.220 who is the very famous
00:21:24.180 trans conservative person?
00:21:26.380 Oh gosh.
00:21:27.600 Well,
00:21:27.960 I,
00:21:28.240 I'd say,
00:21:29.340 Caitlyn Jenner,
00:21:29.600 Caitlyn Jenner.
00:21:30.780 Well,
00:21:31.140 she's not conservative,
00:21:32.500 but there was,
00:21:33.360 you know,
00:21:33.700 there was airing
00:21:34.660 of her as the person
00:21:36.120 who would finally
00:21:36.880 defeat Gavin Newsom.
00:21:38.440 Oh.
00:21:39.020 Governor of California.
00:21:40.220 Yeah.
00:21:40.380 I missed that.
00:21:42.900 Well,
00:21:43.140 it was not that serious.
00:21:44.880 I don't think
00:21:45.240 she's had a chance,
00:21:46.680 but you know,
00:21:47.220 this,
00:21:48.000 the,
00:21:48.240 the even mere
00:21:49.040 acceptance of it
00:21:50.020 is,
00:21:51.000 you know,
00:21:51.980 it's,
00:21:52.340 it's a sign that like
00:21:53.120 that kind of
00:21:53.840 psychological disposition
00:21:55.760 at least is gone.
00:21:57.840 Well,
00:21:57.920 so I get the impression
00:21:58.640 that it is very much
00:22:00.000 a post-sex world 0.69
00:22:01.060 where it doesn't matter anymore.
00:22:02.860 It's like highly virtual.
00:22:04.380 Like you alluded to it
00:22:05.820 being somewhat divorced
00:22:06.700 from physicality.
00:22:08.100 You know,
00:22:08.240 a lot of it more has to do
00:22:09.220 with just the experience
00:22:10.280 you're having online,
00:22:11.120 which suggests that
00:22:12.300 when we actually can
00:22:13.420 get much more
00:22:14.440 realistic AI
00:22:16.960 boyfriends and girlfriends
00:22:18.180 that like people
00:22:19.560 are going to go for that
00:22:20.680 because it's probably better
00:22:22.200 than what you're going to get
00:22:23.060 from a human
00:22:23.620 that you have to accommodate
00:22:24.480 in annoying ways.
00:22:26.160 Yeah.
00:22:26.300 Yeah.
00:22:26.420 Like the most beautiful flowers
00:22:27.980 are the most fake,
00:22:28.800 right?
00:22:29.020 Yeah.
00:22:29.320 Right.
00:22:29.600 Yeah.
00:22:30.020 It is very much.
00:22:31.880 Yeah.
00:22:32.240 This is,
00:22:33.380 I don't know.
00:22:35.240 You,
00:22:35.440 you can also almost see
00:22:36.400 this in existing behavior,
00:22:37.480 right?
00:22:38.040 If you think of what's,
00:22:39.120 what's stopping an AI
00:22:40.340 from being like an
00:22:41.440 OnlyFans operator,
00:22:43.020 right?
00:22:43.800 Pretty much nothing,
00:22:45.620 pretty much just the quality
00:22:47.360 of like how well
00:22:48.560 it can craft text messages
00:22:50.300 and artificially generated
00:22:51.820 porn,
00:22:52.620 right?
00:22:52.740 That is the limiting factor.
00:22:54.080 You know,
00:22:54.460 basically there's no
00:22:55.900 qualitative factor
00:22:57.100 stopping AI from becoming
00:22:59.200 an OnlyFans model right now.
00:23:00.660 It is only like
00:23:01.320 the question is
00:23:02.160 in the past,
00:23:03.620 it was just,
00:23:04.340 will we get a generation
00:23:05.900 of people that's okay
00:23:07.540 with that?
00:23:08.340 Because if you were,
00:23:09.420 I think to take the majority
00:23:10.840 of the millennial generation,
00:23:12.980 Gen X,
00:23:13.360 anyone before they'd be like,
00:23:15.280 well,
00:23:15.500 it has to be a human.
00:23:16.520 If it's a human,
00:23:17.060 that's how I know it's good.
00:23:18.280 But I think that we finally
00:23:19.200 got to a generational point
00:23:20.980 where there isn't an assumption
00:23:22.840 that human is better.
00:23:24.080 And that there's
00:23:24.760 like a pretty big
00:23:26.260 unmooring
00:23:27.380 from IRL socialization
00:23:30.040 and like IRL relationships.
00:23:32.200 And since we interact
00:23:33.700 with even our closest
00:23:34.640 carbon-based friends,
00:23:37.260 like digitally mostly,
00:23:38.640 there's just less
00:23:39.220 of this feeling like
00:23:40.280 you need to prioritize
00:23:41.680 carbon relationships.
00:23:43.980 It is not only
00:23:45.920 the separation
00:23:46.700 but the inversion
00:23:47.680 of online
00:23:48.560 and real life.
00:23:50.440 I am.
00:23:51.640 This is one of the trends
00:23:52.980 that I'm most confident on
00:23:54.000 actually
00:23:54.360 in terms of
00:23:55.740 so this is
00:23:58.800 the operational question
00:23:59.940 of would you prefer
00:24:01.200 to have
00:24:02.520 either a romantic
00:24:03.560 or sexual relationship
00:24:04.700 with someone
00:24:06.220 you already know
00:24:07.100 or like a stranger online?
00:24:09.560 And I think it's been
00:24:11.220 going in the direction
00:24:12.440 in terms of
00:24:13.120 sexual relationships.
00:24:15.160 It's been going
00:24:15.960 in the direction
00:24:16.560 of prefer online
00:24:17.640 for some time.
00:24:20.000 But the thing
00:24:20.820 that was very surprising
00:24:22.020 to me
00:24:22.340 was the same
00:24:22.860 is true 0.89
00:24:23.140 for romantic relationships
00:24:24.300 where
00:24:25.720 what I think it is
00:24:28.640 is I think that
00:24:29.240 the kind of
00:24:29.720 female type 0.95
00:24:30.940 social interaction
00:24:31.960 of having friends
00:24:34.000 for the purpose
00:24:34.660 of being accepted
00:24:35.420 into the group
00:24:36.220 that is the norm
00:24:38.220 which itself is
00:24:39.220 I don't know
00:24:40.480 if you would disagree
00:24:41.320 but I think
00:24:42.940 which itself
00:24:43.900 is a kind of 0.82
00:24:44.520 masturbatory version 0.95
00:24:45.840 of having real friends
00:24:47.120 where
00:24:48.460 you know
00:24:49.000 you have
00:24:49.680 you have
00:24:50.580 the aesthetics
00:24:51.780 of friendship
00:24:52.440 you know
00:24:52.800 you go
00:24:53.480 you hang out
00:24:54.240 even like
00:24:55.060 real life interactions
00:24:56.080 are like this
00:24:56.660 but membership
00:24:58.340 in the friend group
00:24:59.160 is not actually
00:24:59.980 based on any kind
00:25:01.120 of loyalty
00:25:01.600 or any kind
00:25:02.360 of personal traits
00:25:03.940 but rather
00:25:04.520 a kind of
00:25:05.400 you know
00:25:05.740 kind of conformity
00:25:06.680 where
00:25:08.240 that is
00:25:09.120 also
00:25:09.960 leaning towards
00:25:11.800 the male type
00:25:12.580 of friendship
00:25:13.140 now
00:25:13.520 where
00:25:14.640 that ends up
00:25:15.360 or I don't know
00:25:15.900 maybe it was always
00:25:16.520 like this
00:25:16.860 the male type
00:25:17.460 or like
00:25:17.920 this is the dominant
00:25:19.080 form of friendship
00:25:19.860 between men
00:25:21.360 and women
00:25:21.780 like
00:25:23.080 men
00:25:24.120 men will consider
00:25:25.060 their female friends
00:25:25.980 the same way
00:25:26.760 women will consider 0.91
00:25:27.760 their male friends
00:25:28.560 the same way
00:25:29.740 there is no distinction
00:25:31.020 between like
00:25:31.760 the female type 0.94
00:25:32.640 friendship pattern
00:25:34.080 and the like
00:25:35.320 intersex
00:25:35.860 or that might not
00:25:37.220 be the right word
00:25:37.820 but like
00:25:38.140 the friendship
00:25:39.360 between men
00:25:39.900 and women
00:25:40.260 there's no distinction
00:25:41.380 between that
00:25:42.160 and female
00:25:43.560 to female 0.86
00:25:44.060 friendships
00:25:44.680 but hold on
00:25:45.440 because that's a
00:25:46.160 that's like a
00:25:47.420 an extreme divorce
00:25:49.080 of like bronze age
00:25:50.160 pervert 0.58
00:25:50.740 ideology
00:25:52.000 right
00:25:52.340 because he's talking
00:25:53.260 about the need
00:25:53.940 for male only spaces
00:25:55.020 and that even
00:25:55.880 male to male
00:25:56.580 relationships 0.99
00:25:57.200 are screwed up 0.76
00:25:57.980 if they are in 0.87
00:25:58.660 the presence
00:25:59.160 of a female
00:25:59.980 because she ruins 0.97
00:26:00.900 the dynamic
00:26:01.420 and that we need
00:26:02.040 to bring back
00:26:02.960 male only spaces
00:26:04.240 so that men
00:26:04.920 don't lose
00:26:06.120 their minds 1.00
00:26:06.580 and do stupid 1.00
00:26:07.320 stuff 1.00
00:26:07.920 and can actually
00:26:08.900 be great again
00:26:09.920 so I feel like
00:26:10.920 there's some tension
00:26:11.920 present day men
00:26:12.580 are like
00:26:13.040 too quote unquote 0.98
00:26:14.740 gay 0.99
00:26:15.060 or like 0.79
00:26:15.380 what we would
00:26:16.260 call like 0.99
00:26:16.560 sissies 0.99
00:26:16.940 right 0.93
00:26:17.660 I think like
00:26:19.140 it's
00:26:19.800 it's in accordance
00:26:20.680 with
00:26:21.120 with bronze age
00:26:22.460 pervert thought
00:26:23.260 it's
00:26:24.080 so where
00:26:25.140 where it doesn't
00:26:25.700 matter
00:26:26.020 if there are
00:26:26.720 women or men
00:26:27.440 like where gender
00:26:28.080 doesn't matter
00:26:28.700 is where like
00:26:29.840 society is too 0.92
00:26:31.140 sissified in the end 0.97
00:26:32.360 and like
00:26:33.360 only
00:26:33.820 only male spaces 0.88
00:26:36.240 only really matter
00:26:37.300 if you've got
00:26:37.940 super masculine men 0.79
00:26:38.960 is that it
00:26:39.660 or like
00:26:40.540 dominant style
00:26:41.580 men
00:26:42.080 I think it's more
00:26:43.280 of you should
00:26:43.860 consider it more
00:26:44.480 revolutionarily
00:26:45.280 right
00:26:45.560 if this is the way
00:26:46.540 that like men
00:26:47.040 are engaging
00:26:47.580 in like mixed
00:26:48.260 sex social groups
00:26:49.960 then you know
00:26:51.160 there needs to be
00:26:51.860 a revolution
00:26:52.300 there needs to be
00:26:53.160 the bronze age 0.90
00:26:53.680 pervert revolution
00:26:54.500 you know
00:26:54.820 that's what he
00:26:55.860 would say about this
00:26:56.720 I would imagine
00:26:58.300 well not if
00:26:59.680 they're engaging
00:27:00.160 that way
00:27:00.480 because their
00:27:00.920 biology has changed
00:27:02.140 yeah not if
00:27:02.860 they're engaging
00:27:03.240 that way
00:27:03.560 because they know
00:27:04.100 they have no
00:27:04.540 shot at all
00:27:05.280 maybe men 1.00
00:27:06.220 lose their
00:27:06.700 mind in the
00:27:07.320 presence of
00:27:08.020 women 1.00
00:27:08.480 not true
00:27:09.580 right
00:27:09.840 they do have
00:27:10.500 a shot at all
00:27:11.240 this is the
00:27:12.400 other thing
00:27:13.280 is so there
00:27:14.280 are there
00:27:15.260 are there
00:27:15.920 are studies
00:27:16.400 the headline
00:27:17.460 of this study
00:27:18.800 and replication
00:27:20.200 attempts of
00:27:20.960 this study
00:27:21.480 is something
00:27:22.680 like 50%
00:27:23.560 of men
00:27:24.020 would like
00:27:24.760 sleep with 0.95
00:27:25.460 with a woman 0.84
00:27:26.140 with a woman
00:27:26.840 who just asked
00:27:27.620 him on the
00:27:28.400 street
00:27:28.660 oh yes
00:27:29.360 as opposed to
00:27:30.220 around 5%
00:27:31.120 of women
00:27:31.520 right
00:27:32.060 but the other
00:27:32.960 thing that they
00:27:33.780 ask in that
00:27:34.740 study is
00:27:35.360 would you go
00:27:36.040 on a date
00:27:36.660 with the person
00:27:37.300 who who
00:27:38.240 randomly asked
00:27:39.000 you on the
00:27:39.880 street
00:27:40.200 and for
00:27:41.680 for single
00:27:42.420 men
00:27:42.740 it is
00:27:43.480 the first
00:27:44.140 number was
00:27:44.540 also for
00:27:44.940 single men
00:27:45.380 and women
00:27:45.720 the the
00:27:46.440 first number
00:27:47.120 for single
00:27:47.700 men
00:27:48.020 was something
00:27:48.820 like 70%
00:27:49.860 or and
00:27:50.700 number for
00:27:51.420 women was 1.00
00:27:52.000 50%
00:27:52.700 and you know
00:27:54.080 maybe maybe
00:27:54.540 this is not so
00:27:55.120 surprising to you
00:27:55.940 right maybe this
00:27:56.580 is you know
00:27:56.940 just common
00:27:57.320 sense for
00:27:57.740 you but
00:27:58.800 I think
00:28:00.560 every single
00:28:01.100 zoomer I've 0.74
00:28:01.560 talked to
00:28:01.840 about this
00:28:02.180 except for
00:28:02.600 one guy
00:28:03.080 who's into
00:28:03.500 evo psych
00:28:04.040 who has
00:28:04.360 seen specifically
00:28:05.460 this study
00:28:06.140 before was
00:28:07.080 just like utterly
00:28:07.720 floored that
00:28:08.300 like 50%
00:28:09.000 of women
00:28:09.400 50% of
00:28:10.420 single women 1.00
00:28:11.000 would say
00:28:11.400 yes
00:28:11.700 well but how
00:28:12.320 attractive was
00:28:12.960 the confederate
00:28:13.600 I haven't seen
00:28:14.240 this this
00:28:14.900 that is like
00:28:16.760 100 if the
00:28:17.700 confederate is
00:28:18.260 an eight or
00:28:18.960 higher yes
00:28:19.940 if the confederate
00:28:20.680 is an eight or
00:28:21.260 below no
00:28:22.640 I think this
00:28:24.080 study was done
00:28:24.560 a while ago
00:28:25.160 and I don't
00:28:25.620 think that this
00:28:26.100 is true anymore
00:28:26.860 in fact I
00:28:28.300 would even
00:28:29.140 go so far
00:28:29.580 as to argue
00:28:29.940 that men
00:28:30.540 in today's
00:28:31.140 environment
00:28:31.560 have a woman
00:28:32.140 when I'm
00:28:32.560 going to ask
00:28:32.840 them to have 1.00
00:28:33.180 sex with 1.00
00:28:33.560 them I 1.00
00:28:34.020 think that
00:28:34.600 50% of
00:28:35.420 zoomers would 1.00
00:28:35.840 probably say
00:28:36.280 no to the
00:28:37.240 woman to the 0.75
00:28:38.040 woman with 0.99
00:28:38.680 the prop
00:28:39.020 whoa I
00:28:41.020 think they're
00:28:41.400 far more timid
00:28:42.500 than you
00:28:42.780 imagine
00:28:43.140 no
00:28:44.480 disagree
00:28:45.060 no maybe
00:28:47.360 so like the
00:28:48.520 really cursed
00:28:49.220 stat would be
00:28:50.000 like if you
00:28:51.460 see like an
00:28:52.060 inversion between
00:28:53.040 like willing to 0.98
00:28:53.980 have sex and 0.94
00:28:54.660 willing to go 0.87
00:28:55.140 on a date
00:28:55.600 that is
00:28:57.860 that would be
00:29:00.620 interesting but
00:29:01.120 yeah we we we
00:29:02.040 we should see
00:29:02.600 replications of
00:29:03.560 the study
00:29:04.040 I'd love to see
00:29:04.900 replications of
00:29:05.660 the study this
00:29:06.220 would be
00:29:06.480 but with
00:29:06.840 confederate
00:29:07.460 zero to ten
00:29:08.440 ratings that
00:29:09.360 none of this
00:29:10.140 matters if you
00:29:10.880 don't have that
00:29:11.480 just none of it
00:29:12.240 matters because
00:29:13.200 that I think
00:29:13.820 that's the really
00:29:14.380 key thing that
00:29:14.880 has changed
00:29:15.740 which is that
00:29:16.940 we've we've
00:29:17.600 switched to
00:29:18.580 relationship markets
00:29:19.680 that are extremely
00:29:20.440 visually based
00:29:21.380 and that we've
00:29:22.360 conditioned a
00:29:23.320 huge volume of
00:29:24.400 people to
00:29:25.360 select sexual
00:29:26.300 partners based
00:29:27.460 on only physical
00:29:28.840 appearance and
00:29:29.980 whereas in the
00:29:30.680 past it used to
00:29:31.540 be like oh
00:29:32.500 well we're both
00:29:32.980 in the model
00:29:33.420 train club together
00:29:34.440 or whatever I
00:29:35.340 like your jokes
00:29:36.180 or you're really
00:29:36.820 smart and you
00:29:37.740 know the people
00:29:38.400 were able to
00:29:38.940 compete in many
00:29:39.620 different arenas
00:29:40.640 whereas now it's
00:29:42.040 a swipe and it's
00:29:42.900 an image and I
00:29:44.020 think that that
00:29:44.880 well and also
00:29:45.560 then I feel like
00:29:46.440 social media filters
00:29:47.260 have also completely
00:29:48.080 thrown off people's
00:29:48.920 perception of
00:29:50.240 of attractiveness and
00:29:51.240 we've discussed this
00:29:51.900 in other episodes
00:29:52.680 where you might
00:29:53.460 you might think
00:29:54.480 that someone is
00:29:56.380 is like a five
00:29:58.180 you know out of
00:29:58.940 ten like
00:29:59.620 attractiveness wise
00:30:00.620 but if you compare
00:30:01.220 them to an actual
00:30:01.940 general population
00:30:03.040 like in their nation
00:30:04.060 they'd be more like
00:30:05.500 a six or a seven
00:30:06.400 but because of
00:30:07.440 online perceptions
00:30:08.980 of what beauty
00:30:09.620 is you know
00:30:10.400 there's this there
00:30:11.080 was like a sort
00:30:11.680 of meme a little
00:30:12.320 bit earlier like
00:30:13.720 maybe two weeks
00:30:14.260 back of Margot
00:30:15.220 Robbie who stars
00:30:16.760 in the Barbie
00:30:17.380 movie being a mid
00:30:18.900 like that she's
00:30:20.500 middling that
00:30:21.240 that Margot Robbie
00:30:22.300 the the human
00:30:23.780 actress selected
00:30:24.900 to be Barbie
00:30:25.800 is middling
00:30:27.840 in attractiveness
00:30:28.640 so I just feel
00:30:29.200 like she's not an
00:30:29.800 anime cat girl
00:30:30.560 that's that is
00:30:31.900 her problem 0.98
00:30:32.540 yeah you
00:30:33.400 yeah and it's
00:30:34.360 what I think
00:30:34.980 it's really
00:30:35.300 disappointing
00:30:35.600 that every day
00:30:36.600 Simone
00:30:37.000 you're not
00:30:38.160 an anime girl
00:30:38.900 I'm so sorry
00:30:40.200 I'm so sorry
00:30:41.720 I'll get cat ears
00:30:44.580 I promise
00:30:45.340 as soon as we
00:30:46.080 can grab them
00:30:46.760 on
00:30:47.160 oh god
00:30:48.940 you know
00:30:49.700 you two are
00:30:50.160 honorary zoomers
00:30:51.160 thank you
00:30:52.240 well we saw
00:30:53.000 we were in New
00:30:53.680 York yesterday
00:30:54.280 walking around
00:30:54.920 with our boys
00:30:55.560 and I was
00:30:57.140 thinking about
00:30:57.700 I don't even
00:30:58.160 know what the
00:30:58.600 next generation
00:30:59.240 of what kids
00:30:59.880 are today
00:31:00.400 and they have
00:31:01.100 to be something
00:31:01.480 beyond zoomers
00:31:02.220 but there was
00:31:02.700 a furry kid
00:31:03.300 walking around
00:31:03.960 just had a tail
00:31:04.760 you know
00:31:05.220 we're like
00:31:05.720 you know
00:31:06.360 someone like
00:31:06.980 we're with
00:31:07.580 another parent
00:31:08.080 she's like
00:31:08.540 oh it's like
00:31:09.440 a kid
00:31:09.800 like maybe
00:31:10.180 seven years
00:31:10.700 old or something
00:31:11.500 he's just like
00:31:12.400 full out wearing
00:31:12.840 a furry tail
00:31:13.380 that's not a
00:31:13.900 sexual thing
00:31:14.520 you know
00:31:14.800 no well
00:31:15.380 I mean
00:31:15.720 it could be
00:31:16.140 a proto-sexual
00:31:16.720 thing
00:31:16.920 who knows
00:31:17.300 but whatever
00:31:17.680 many people
00:31:18.240 just identify
00:31:18.900 as furries
00:31:19.500 it's you know
00:31:20.080 there's
00:31:20.380 there's
00:31:20.840 it's a complex
00:31:22.100 world
00:31:22.400 I mean
00:31:22.680 it's one of
00:31:23.340 the problems
00:31:24.020 that we have
00:31:24.540 is when
00:31:25.060 sexual communities
00:31:26.580 become aesthetic
00:31:28.760 communities
00:31:29.740 so when I was
00:31:31.080 young
00:31:31.380 I would identify
00:31:32.320 as like
00:31:33.000 goth
00:31:33.620 right
00:31:33.940 like I hung
00:31:34.560 out and dressed
00:31:35.180 like a goth
00:31:35.760 because people
00:31:36.220 older than me
00:31:36.980 who I thought
00:31:37.420 were cool
00:31:37.960 I knew
00:31:38.360 hung out
00:31:38.780 and went
00:31:39.040 to goth
00:31:39.680 things
00:31:39.980 I wish we had
00:31:40.700 more photo proof
00:31:41.440 of this
00:31:41.980 but I think
00:31:43.500 that we
00:31:44.200 live in a world
00:31:45.560 now
00:31:46.240 where young
00:31:47.000 people
00:31:47.580 can see
00:31:49.340 sexual
00:31:50.380 communities
00:31:51.640 like furries
00:31:52.580 for example
00:31:53.360 and begin
00:31:54.440 to identify
00:31:55.380 with those
00:31:56.160 communities
00:31:56.820 in the same
00:31:58.660 way that
00:31:59.320 in my
00:31:59.840 generation
00:32:00.320 people
00:32:00.680 identify
00:32:01.120 with
00:32:01.460 goths 0.82
00:32:01.920 or punks 0.96
00:32:02.500 or something
00:32:02.960 like that
00:32:03.640 and I don't
00:32:04.800 know if I
00:32:05.580 think that's
00:32:06.040 healthy
00:32:06.160 I don't think
00:32:06.680 that's healthy
00:32:07.120 I think
00:32:07.380 that's bad
00:32:07.600 so you can
00:32:08.140 think of
00:32:08.520 goths as
00:32:09.060 an early
00:32:09.700 version
00:32:10.260 of shitposting
00:32:11.980 right
00:32:12.200 and as we
00:32:12.840 know
00:32:13.020 the long
00:32:13.580 arc of
00:32:14.020 history
00:32:14.460 bends
00:32:15.640 towards
00:32:16.320 shitposting 0.95
00:32:17.340 everything
00:32:17.800 becomes 0.87
00:32:19.160 shitposting
00:32:19.920 it becomes
00:32:20.500 signaling
00:32:21.500 part of
00:32:22.260 part of
00:32:22.860 the community
00:32:23.400 by kind of
00:32:24.640 the radical
00:32:25.500 refutation
00:32:26.800 of everything
00:32:27.580 else
00:32:27.980 that exists
00:32:28.980 and
00:32:30.040 yeah
00:32:30.640 one of the
00:32:31.660 things that I
00:32:32.780 like to do
00:32:33.260 every once in a
00:32:33.920 while
00:32:34.140 I think it's
00:32:34.740 like very
00:32:35.100 healthy
00:32:35.400 to do this
00:32:36.420 is to look
00:32:37.220 at like an
00:32:37.600 empirical result
00:32:38.360 in the world
00:32:38.860 and think
00:32:39.260 what if
00:32:40.040 this is what
00:32:40.760 people want
00:32:41.500 how would I
00:32:42.020 change my
00:32:42.400 thinking
00:32:42.700 if God
00:32:43.440 came to me
00:32:43.940 and told me
00:32:44.340 like oh
00:32:44.700 this is just
00:32:45.460 what people
00:32:45.880 want
00:32:46.260 and you know
00:32:47.660 we're talking
00:32:48.260 about this
00:32:48.700 divorce
00:32:49.220 of
00:32:51.260 kind of
00:32:52.160 sex 0.98
00:32:52.640 like sex 0.99
00:32:53.480 acts
00:32:53.880 from
00:32:54.920 you know
00:32:55.840 the actual
00:32:56.320 identification
00:32:56.980 and what
00:32:57.640 people actually
00:32:58.260 think of
00:32:58.680 themselves
00:32:59.100 and what
00:33:00.060 people actually
00:33:00.740 it's like the
00:33:01.680 divorce of
00:33:02.260 like sexuality
00:33:03.000 as a meme
00:33:03.840 from sexuality
00:33:04.700 as like a
00:33:05.400 physical
00:33:05.700 interaction
00:33:06.320 I think that's
00:33:07.920 a great way
00:33:08.380 of putting it
00:33:09.120 yeah
00:33:09.380 it's conceptual
00:33:10.560 I just like
00:33:10.800 wonder
00:33:11.080 what if this
00:33:12.500 is just
00:33:12.760 what people
00:33:13.140 want
00:33:13.500 you know
00:33:14.060 what if
00:33:14.760 this is
00:33:15.040 just a
00:33:15.340 revealed
00:33:15.600 preference
00:33:16.120 like we
00:33:17.260 just didn't
00:33:17.600 have the
00:33:17.900 technology
00:33:18.340 we didn't
00:33:18.700 have the
00:33:19.000 internet
00:33:19.280 you know
00:33:19.960 we didn't
00:33:20.200 have the
00:33:20.620 cat girls 0.83
00:33:21.240 we didn't
00:33:22.180 have exactly
00:33:22.840 exactly
00:33:23.280 actually I
00:33:24.160 think we
00:33:24.540 had anime
00:33:25.060 cat girls 0.83
00:33:25.540 in the
00:33:25.840 90s
00:33:26.600 right
00:33:26.820 there were
00:33:27.280 like Sailor
00:33:27.740 Moon gags
00:33:28.220 with the
00:33:28.500 cat ears
00:33:28.920 but yeah
00:33:29.680 yeah we
00:33:30.020 most of
00:33:30.560 America
00:33:30.940 you know
00:33:31.420 we're not
00:33:31.940 exposed to
00:33:32.600 the cat
00:33:32.960 girls 0.98
00:33:33.220 and now
00:33:33.600 that they
00:33:33.860 have been
00:33:34.280 they simply
00:33:34.680 like the
00:33:35.060 cat girls 0.83
00:33:35.400 more
00:33:35.760 yeah
00:33:36.460 we're just
00:33:37.080 there will
00:33:37.660 be no more 0.91
00:33:38.180 sex 0.87
00:33:38.500 there will
00:33:38.820 only be
00:33:39.160 the cat
00:33:39.500 girls 0.98
00:33:40.020 before we
00:33:41.200 wrap up
00:33:41.580 this episode
00:33:42.100 I love
00:33:42.480 were there
00:33:42.920 any other
00:33:43.300 insights
00:33:43.700 you got
00:33:44.020 from these
00:33:44.340 people you
00:33:44.740 were interviewing
00:33:45.260 because I
00:33:45.620 really appreciate
00:33:46.280 that you
00:33:46.600 went on
00:33:46.840 and did
00:33:47.180 that and
00:33:47.580 I know
00:33:47.820 our audience
00:33:48.300 you know
00:33:48.640 a lot
00:33:49.300 of them
00:33:49.460 have very
00:33:49.800 little
00:33:49.980 connection
00:33:50.380 to what's
00:33:50.680 going on
00:33:51.020 in Zoomer
00:33:51.460 world
00:33:51.740 right now
00:33:52.360 what's
00:33:53.320 going on
00:33:54.280 I think
00:33:57.240 yeah guys
00:33:57.960 are afraid
00:33:58.460 to approach
00:33:59.740 girls 0.98
00:34:00.160 they're afraid
00:34:00.680 to be
00:34:00.960 affectionate
00:34:01.620 they're just 0.97
00:34:02.720 too neurotic 0.90
00:34:03.380 you know
00:34:04.060 this isn't
00:34:04.700 this is
00:34:05.060 unrelated
00:34:05.420 to this
00:34:05.980 stuff
00:34:06.240 but I
00:34:07.020 was at
00:34:07.360 I was at
00:34:07.840 University of
00:34:08.920 Austin
00:34:09.260 I was at
00:34:09.760 you know
00:34:10.360 Barry Weiss's
00:34:11.060 University
00:34:11.640 yeah yeah
00:34:12.180 our school's
00:34:13.900 partnered with
00:34:14.420 theirs
00:34:14.660 okay awesome
00:34:15.520 awesome
00:34:15.880 so this
00:34:17.400 so this is a
00:34:18.400 group of
00:34:18.960 people this
00:34:19.460 is a group
00:34:19.920 of around
00:34:20.460 like 40
00:34:21.080 kids
00:34:21.580 specifically
00:34:22.620 selected
00:34:23.300 to be you
00:34:24.560 know the
00:34:25.260 fear in the
00:34:26.000 fearless pursuit
00:34:27.160 of truth
00:34:27.840 I shouldn't I
00:34:28.960 shouldn't say
00:34:29.360 this I'm like
00:34:30.240 skeptical of
00:34:30.880 that you know
00:34:31.780 that I do
00:34:32.660 think I talked
00:34:33.380 to one of
00:34:33.900 the the people
00:34:34.980 who did the
00:34:35.460 admissions I
00:34:36.440 think it's
00:34:36.760 pretty legit
00:34:37.380 so I think
00:34:38.940 this might
00:34:39.420 actually be you
00:34:40.300 know to the
00:34:40.960 topic of taking
00:34:41.760 these things
00:34:42.480 seriously you
00:34:43.540 know these
00:34:43.920 might actually
00:34:44.520 be like the
00:34:45.220 40 students
00:34:45.900 in the
00:34:46.860 the US or
00:34:47.880 or among
00:34:48.680 the application
00:34:49.320 pool who
00:34:50.180 was who
00:34:51.380 were most
00:34:52.200 in the
00:34:52.800 fearless pursuit
00:34:53.440 of truth
00:34:53.960 but you know
00:34:55.840 they were just
00:34:56.220 extremely agreeable
00:34:57.620 that they were
00:34:58.520 they were really
00:34:59.080 afraid to set
00:34:59.700 up you know
00:35:00.160 very strong
00:35:00.960 binaries of
00:35:02.460 disagreements
00:35:03.400 in the class
00:35:04.320 and this was
00:35:04.680 something that
00:35:05.060 was noticed
00:35:05.400 by a lot
00:35:05.820 of the other
00:35:06.240 the the
00:35:07.020 older the
00:35:07.640 older professors
00:35:08.340 instructors
00:35:09.020 so on
00:35:10.200 that you
00:35:10.600 just didn't
00:35:11.020 get that
00:35:11.500 kind of you
00:35:12.120 know Lincoln
00:35:12.880 Douglas
00:35:13.220 style debate
00:35:14.620 I don't mean
00:35:15.480 like the format
00:35:16.120 but that kind
00:35:16.640 of like clash
00:35:17.140 of ideals
00:35:17.640 just didn't
00:35:18.740 happen
00:35:19.040 people were
00:35:19.960 people were
00:35:20.380 just like very
00:35:20.960 neurotic
00:35:21.400 and I think
00:35:22.640 that's you
00:35:23.160 know that's
00:35:23.900 the prevailing
00:35:24.600 trait of Gen Z 1.00
00:35:25.560 that's that's
00:35:26.660 how it rolls
00:35:27.120 I think that's
00:35:27.860 really interesting
00:35:28.360 because when you
00:35:28.880 look at
00:35:29.400 traditional British
00:35:30.360 education
00:35:30.900 like I'm
00:35:31.580 thinking about
00:35:32.040 how a young
00:35:32.800 British gentleman
00:35:33.420 was was educated
00:35:35.020 you know he was
00:35:35.940 pretty low on
00:35:36.820 what we might
00:35:37.580 consider technical
00:35:38.640 knowledge but
00:35:39.660 what he did
00:35:40.320 spend a huge
00:35:41.740 portion of his
00:35:42.860 upbringing doing
00:35:43.560 is is is
00:35:44.540 debate
00:35:44.940 elocution
00:35:45.980 and also
00:35:46.900 just like
00:35:47.280 really getting
00:35:48.100 good at
00:35:48.880 even like
00:35:49.400 spicy debate
00:35:50.300 like when you
00:35:50.760 even see
00:35:51.220 yeah
00:35:52.500 like they're
00:35:54.560 like there's
00:35:54.820 no spice
00:35:55.380 we need to
00:35:55.720 import more
00:35:56.260 spice from
00:35:56.740 India
00:35:57.040 but I think
00:35:57.980 really we
00:35:58.420 punish we
00:35:59.400 punish people
00:36:00.180 for deviating
00:36:01.740 we punish people
00:36:02.500 for arguing
00:36:03.220 then they're
00:36:03.480 called disagreeable
00:36:04.280 they have you
00:36:04.800 know they have
00:36:05.360 emotional problems
00:36:06.600 you know they're
00:36:07.320 they're picking
00:36:08.360 fights so I
00:36:09.260 think maybe
00:36:09.920 what we've done
00:36:10.740 is we've
00:36:11.640 neutered an
00:36:12.420 entire generation 0.69
00:36:13.460 or several I
00:36:14.420 think probably
00:36:14.920 both millennials
00:36:15.640 and Gen
00:36:17.380 Gen Zers from 1.00
00:36:18.500 the ability to
00:36:19.380 do that just
00:36:19.820 years of
00:36:20.440 conditioning where
00:36:21.100 every single
00:36:21.840 time they
00:36:22.920 pushed back
00:36:23.600 they got
00:36:24.260 slapped a
00:36:24.780 little on the
00:36:25.180 face I mean
00:36:25.900 what do you
00:36:26.200 think yeah
00:36:27.640 almost definitely
00:36:28.680 I do think
00:36:29.900 you know like
00:36:30.540 love I think
00:36:31.960 even millennials
00:36:32.540 will relate to
00:36:34.100 to people
00:36:35.020 saying you know
00:36:35.700 like teachers
00:36:36.140 saying if you
00:36:37.220 don't have
00:36:37.540 anything nice
00:36:38.080 to say say
00:36:38.640 nothing at all
00:36:39.320 yeah you know
00:36:40.140 which is just
00:36:40.920 you know so 1.00
00:36:42.980 incredibly stupid 1.00
00:36:44.340 there's never 1.00
00:36:45.200 been a reward
00:36:45.740 for pushing back
00:36:46.620 or being a
00:36:47.120 little spicy
00:36:47.620 you know what
00:36:48.020 I mean
00:36:48.320 yeah yeah
00:36:49.520 or even just
00:36:50.600 not active
00:36:51.140 punishment
00:36:51.540 I think like
00:36:52.460 male male
00:36:53.480 social norms
00:36:54.220 will naturally
00:36:54.960 naturally reward
00:36:56.500 that but
00:36:57.820 oh but I
00:36:58.700 don't know if
00:36:59.040 we've allowed
00:36:59.500 for male social
00:37:00.420 norms even
00:37:01.120 you know
00:37:01.460 exactly
00:37:02.220 there's like
00:37:03.480 constant unending
00:37:04.600 interference in
00:37:05.940 the educational
00:37:06.560 system with
00:37:07.460 inter-male
00:37:08.620 communication
00:37:09.440 patterns
00:37:10.080 or even
00:37:10.860 just well
00:37:11.240 even just
00:37:11.660 male dimorphic
00:37:12.540 behavior like
00:37:13.260 being energetic
00:37:14.240 oh well we
00:37:14.960 need to medicate
00:37:15.660 that stop
00:37:16.260 moving in your
00:37:16.800 chair you know
00:37:17.340 what I mean
00:37:17.720 yeah yeah
00:37:18.740 ADHD like
00:37:19.660 BAP needs to 0.76
00:37:20.560 add a new
00:37:21.300 chapter about
00:37:22.100 the ADHD
00:37:22.720 meds that
00:37:23.480 that's you
00:37:24.140 know they're
00:37:25.700 already talking
00:37:26.360 about like the
00:37:26.940 seed oils
00:37:27.540 the ADHD
00:37:28.140 meds that's
00:37:29.100 much much
00:37:29.620 bigger deal
00:37:30.080 than the
00:37:30.400 seed oils
00:37:30.840 yeah this
00:37:31.580 this UATX
00:37:32.580 thing you went
00:37:33.080 to was that
00:37:33.460 in the last
00:37:33.900 few months
00:37:34.420 yeah yeah
00:37:35.420 it was like
00:37:35.860 the summer
00:37:36.140 we were actually
00:37:37.220 supposed to run
00:37:38.480 that but
00:37:39.080 Simone said we
00:37:39.800 didn't have the
00:37:40.280 bandwidth to do
00:37:41.060 it we could
00:37:42.000 have been
00:37:42.260 that particular
00:37:43.460 do that would
00:37:45.560 have been
00:37:45.920 we would have
00:37:47.300 made it spicier 0.95
00:37:48.020 people know
00:37:49.540 more about
00:37:50.000 our physical
00:37:50.620 lives okay
00:37:51.840 wait I have
00:37:53.200 to hear this
00:37:53.700 how would you
00:37:54.240 what would be
00:37:55.760 the four courses
00:37:56.820 you would run
00:37:57.420 we're partnered
00:37:58.680 with them at
00:37:59.180 the Collins
00:37:59.580 Institute we've
00:38:00.860 been trying to
00:38:01.320 do the younger
00:38:02.280 kids stuff they
00:38:03.720 want to and so
00:38:04.560 we were talking
00:38:05.100 with them about
00:38:05.620 this and we
00:38:06.540 were supposed
00:38:06.880 to do the
00:38:07.520 the recruitment
00:38:08.280 and the setting
00:38:09.080 this up and
00:38:09.680 there was some
00:38:10.020 other guy and
00:38:11.240 we just we got
00:38:12.100 to this point
00:38:12.680 where we really
00:38:13.400 wanted to do it
00:38:14.380 but we just did
00:38:15.380 not have the
00:38:16.160 time between
00:38:17.000 trying basically
00:38:18.800 what we said is
00:38:19.440 we want to get
00:38:20.320 rid of any
00:38:21.020 distractions we
00:38:22.120 have until the
00:38:22.620 Collins Institute
00:38:23.180 is alive which
00:38:24.320 is our high
00:38:24.780 school system
00:38:25.440 because just if
00:38:26.780 somebody can't
00:38:27.420 fix the high
00:38:27.880 school system the
00:38:28.500 country is doomed
00:38:29.220 so there's a lot
00:38:30.740 of cool opportunities
00:38:31.680 like this that
00:38:32.500 would have raised
00:38:33.360 our personal prestige
00:38:34.640 and would have
00:38:35.420 allowed us to
00:38:35.980 interact with a
00:38:36.600 lot of young
00:38:37.000 people that are
00:38:37.820 like important
00:38:38.620 like you but
00:38:39.820 then you know
00:38:40.540 we're also already
00:38:41.420 doing stuff with
00:38:42.180 like teal fellows 1.00
00:38:42.980 and stuff like
00:38:43.700 that and I feel
00:38:44.560 like one of the
00:38:45.620 weird things that
00:38:46.560 I've noticed
00:38:47.000 especially with
00:38:47.720 young people is
00:38:49.460 whatever program
00:38:51.140 that we're engaged
00:38:52.180 with whether it's
00:38:52.800 future forum or
00:38:53.840 uatx or teal fellows
00:38:55.480 or whatever it's
00:38:56.880 all the same
00:38:57.560 people yeah it's
00:38:58.560 just a circle yeah
00:38:59.420 I don't know
00:39:00.940 there are only like
00:39:01.900 10,000 intellectually
00:39:03.700 free young people
00:39:04.700 in the world or
00:39:05.440 something I don't
00:39:06.040 know not even
00:39:06.420 intellectually free
00:39:07.260 desiring to be
00:39:08.580 intellectually free
00:39:09.220 to your point
00:39:09.760 Brian they weren't
00:39:10.440 there necessarily
00:39:11.520 it is just the
00:39:13.600 people who are on
00:39:14.260 Twitter like that
00:39:15.760 I think is the
00:39:16.240 actual funnel that
00:39:17.480 the nexus of all
00:39:18.660 of this you know
00:39:19.500 if you're listening
00:39:20.080 Elon you know
00:39:21.540 the nexus of all
00:39:22.800 this is just is just
00:39:23.980 kids who are on
00:39:24.680 Twitter you know
00:39:25.760 that that's the
00:39:26.560 reason why you
00:39:27.620 know VC Twitter
00:39:28.900 or like VC people
00:39:30.460 and ML people
00:39:31.260 and you know
00:39:32.900 the classical
00:39:33.840 liberals and you
00:39:35.240 know the cat
00:39:36.340 girls are all
00:39:37.920 are all in the
00:39:38.680 same place it's
00:39:39.260 all just a circle
00:39:40.020 because it's all
00:39:40.760 just it's all just
00:39:41.440 Twitter yeah it's
00:39:44.000 interesting that you
00:39:44.740 say that the world
00:39:45.520 seems so small
00:39:46.680 after a certain
00:39:47.500 point right but
00:39:48.860 it just is right
00:39:50.120 this is also
00:39:50.780 something that I
00:39:51.380 realized after you
00:39:52.960 know going to
00:39:54.300 to DC and trying
00:39:55.360 to set up something
00:39:56.280 that like all of
00:39:57.620 the people who
00:39:58.840 are doing anything
00:40:00.340 interesting not
00:40:01.540 not like literally
00:40:02.200 all of them but
00:40:03.460 they're all people
00:40:04.120 who I like organically
00:40:05.340 encountered doing
00:40:06.520 the podcast before
00:40:07.620 that you know so
00:40:08.580 context for the
00:40:09.420 audience like I did
00:40:10.580 not talk about I
00:40:12.640 might like my day
00:40:13.560 job was in machine
00:40:14.240 learning engineering
00:40:14.920 I did not want to
00:40:15.900 talk about anything
00:40:16.860 related to machine
00:40:18.420 learning on the
00:40:19.160 podcast I was just
00:40:20.080 like sick of it for
00:40:21.960 for the longest time
00:40:23.380 until I like stopped
00:40:24.780 doing that as my
00:40:25.720 main job and I
00:40:27.340 interviewed like you
00:40:28.780 know John
00:40:29.360 Escones James
00:40:30.280 Poulos Sam
00:40:31.660 Hammond it was just
00:40:32.440 like all of the
00:40:33.440 people doing like the
00:40:34.340 most interesting
00:40:35.120 machine learning
00:40:35.780 policy stuff in DC
00:40:36.900 right now are I
00:40:38.360 mean James is not
00:40:38.980 in DC but all the
00:40:40.160 people doing the
00:40:40.740 most interesting
00:40:41.280 machine learning
00:40:41.840 stuff in DC or
00:40:42.980 in like adjacent
00:40:43.700 circles were people
00:40:45.560 who were on the
00:40:46.440 podcast for
00:40:47.200 unrelated reasons
00:40:48.560 no I mean you're
00:40:51.860 right that's just
00:40:52.500 what we've noticed
00:40:53.160 as well the world
00:40:53.980 smaller than people
00:40:55.260 think it is and
00:40:56.040 and you know
00:40:56.960 sometimes I look at
00:40:57.680 our listener numbers
00:40:58.580 and I'm like wow
00:40:59.300 they look like really
00:41:00.180 small and then
00:41:01.500 I'll talk to some
00:41:02.320 you know I don't
00:41:02.780 know random
00:41:03.360 whatever like VC
00:41:04.500 or billionaire I
00:41:05.220 didn't know and
00:41:05.760 they're like oh I
00:41:06.340 watch every episode
00:41:07.260 of your show and
00:41:08.140 I'm like that's
00:41:09.360 weird because only
00:41:10.520 like 4,000 people
00:41:11.760 watch but I assume
00:41:15.060 it's the same with
00:41:15.640 you right like it's
00:41:16.720 it's it's weird and
00:41:17.820 sad actually this
00:41:19.220 brings us to
00:41:19.720 something that
00:41:20.120 Simone was doing
00:41:20.740 where she was going
00:41:21.320 to YouTube and
00:41:21.940 she goes okay how
00:41:22.720 do we get big what
00:41:23.500 did the big channels
00:41:24.300 look like and so
00:41:25.500 she went to look at
00:41:26.380 all of the biggest
00:41:27.160 channels and what
00:41:28.700 was it that you
00:41:29.220 said about them
00:41:29.980 that it looked like
00:41:31.640 it was primarily
00:41:32.560 targeting lobotomized
00:41:34.660 audiences I mean not
00:41:36.120 really no it was it
00:41:36.860 was primarily targeting
00:41:37.680 people who were as I
00:41:39.980 said to Malcolm so low
00:41:41.400 on Maslow's hierarchy
00:41:42.400 of needs they just
00:41:43.160 didn't really have
00:41:43.620 bandwidth for anything
00:41:44.380 that's not that's
00:41:46.200 not more engaging
00:41:47.660 than a three stooges
00:41:50.240 skit which is modern
00:41:51.760 edition and in
00:41:52.860 culturally relevant
00:41:53.720 contexts if that
00:41:54.800 makes sense so
00:41:56.260 so I was talking
00:41:57.400 to someone who
00:41:58.020 had a lot of
00:41:59.400 experience writing
00:42:00.360 newsletter headlines
00:42:01.300 and he was like
00:42:03.600 exactly this the
00:42:04.740 overlap between the
00:42:06.740 people who I don't
00:42:11.480 know there are like
00:42:12.460 common there are like
00:42:13.540 examples of this so I
00:42:14.580 don't want to be like
00:42:15.260 too absolutist about
00:42:16.200 this but the overlap
00:42:17.420 between what you would
00:42:18.500 do to get a mass
00:42:20.020 audience and what you
00:42:21.720 would do to get you
00:42:22.760 know like a successful
00:42:23.860 like policy wise
00:42:24.820 successful audience
00:42:25.880 is very very close
00:42:28.240 to zero yes yeah
00:42:30.140 yes the the exception
00:42:32.360 might be like I
00:42:33.300 don't know Tucker
00:42:33.840 Carlson and he is
00:42:35.340 like highly online now
00:42:36.420 right like he's on
00:42:37.320 Twitter now the place
00:42:38.860 you know the place
00:42:39.600 where it all it all
00:42:41.200 goes yes he might
00:42:43.540 have been the last
00:42:44.200 one he might have
00:42:45.120 been the last
00:42:45.720 intersection between
00:42:47.060 normie popularity
00:42:48.300 and actual and
00:42:51.200 actual interesting
00:42:52.100 things going on yeah
00:42:54.200 that's hard to say
00:42:55.000 but outlook not
00:42:56.160 good I'm very
00:42:57.160 scared but this was
00:42:58.660 so fun no we as
00:43:00.780 as we all I think
00:43:01.660 discover more as
00:43:02.860 AI also gets better
00:43:03.920 especially we need to
00:43:05.020 touch base on this
00:43:06.100 topic again and see
00:43:07.180 where we've gone
00:43:08.060 further because I
00:43:08.840 feel like relationships
00:43:10.600 and interpersonal
00:43:12.120 dynamics are going to
00:43:13.260 go further off the
00:43:14.340 rails the more
00:43:16.060 advanced AI gets so
00:43:17.920 let's come back to
00:43:19.340 I think it's just
00:43:20.480 reveal preferences
00:43:21.280 you know this is
00:43:22.240 something that I
00:43:22.720 said you know you
00:43:23.520 should start doing
00:43:24.580 as a kind of like
00:43:25.500 healthy thought
00:43:26.120 experiment but once
00:43:27.200 you start doing it
00:43:27.920 as a healthy thought
00:43:28.560 experiment I think
00:43:30.000 your your world
00:43:31.160 model becomes
00:43:32.400 increasingly tilted
00:43:33.760 in that direction
00:43:35.060 and and I think
00:43:36.840 that's just been
00:43:37.460 like just in the
00:43:38.680 past few in the
00:43:39.680 past few years even
00:43:40.480 just proven to be
00:43:41.220 more correct like
00:43:42.560 you should assume
00:43:43.320 that people want
00:43:44.440 the things that
00:43:45.180 they take for
00:43:46.220 themselves I don't
00:43:47.980 know if that is
00:43:48.700 like controversial
00:43:49.400 but but but
00:43:51.140 people don't do it
00:43:51.800 enough that checks
00:43:53.200 out that checks
00:43:54.080 out we've loved
00:43:55.000 chatting with you
00:43:55.780 have a spectacular
00:43:57.600 day and listeners
00:43:59.760 please check out
00:44:00.460 his podcast yeah
00:44:02.340 that is the from
00:44:03.140 the new world
00:44:03.600 podcast and you
00:44:04.540 can find it at
00:44:05.180 from the new dot
00:44:06.220 world yes that is
00:44:08.000 where everything lives
00:44:08.820 now highly
00:44:09.900 recommended
00:44:10.440 you