Based Camp - Abortion： An Act of Urban Monoculture Worship

00:00:00.000 right now in the world more children are aborted per year than humans die like post-birth humans

00:00:08.400 die um trans woman to have a successful uterus transplant ovaries and eggs included

00:00:18.320 and i want to be the first trans woman to have an abortion

00:00:22.960 you mean i'll never know what it feels like to have a baby growing inside me and then

00:00:31.920 scramble its brains and vacuum it out i realized that because it's a religious act for them almost

00:00:38.000 if you put a fetus in a in a human woman's body it will eventually become a human being

00:00:58.000 and but an egg and a sperm on their own they won't eventually become a human being and i was like

00:01:03.120 you just added a little word there if you put them in a woman's body if you put an egg and a

00:01:10.960 sperm in a woman's body just like if you put a fetus in a woman's body it becomes a human being

00:01:17.120 it is now standard medical practice after 15 weeks to use anesthesia during fetal surgeries

00:01:23.040 but and this is really important and this is going to come up a little bit later in my thoughts on this

00:01:27.280 subject pain medication is not standard practice in abortions there's this one part of the medical

00:01:36.160 establishment that is like okay this is a baby we're going to save your baby don't worry mother

00:01:41.120 it's going to be fine and then there's this totally sort of other industry which is like

00:01:44.960 this is a cluster of tissue there is there is there's cardiac activity let's you know you need to

00:01:50.560 exercise your right this is not human would you like to know more hello simone i'm excited to be

00:01:56.240 here with you today today we're going to be doing an episode because this has been increasingly

00:02:00.160 happening to me but i have been updating my views on various subjects from back when i used to just be

00:02:07.040 in the urban monoculture you know when you were growing up you grew up in central san francisco

00:02:14.400 and so you grew up really inundated with these far lefty ideas about everything i grew up sort of all

00:02:21.680 over the place different you know boarding schools and stuff like that but a lot of them were

00:02:26.080 in new england and so i was heavily influenced by those cultures right and you know when you're

00:02:32.800 in the urban monoculture this this far progressive culture you don't even really question things about

00:02:39.600 abortion right no you should always bottle the autonomy woman's right to choose my body my choice

00:02:46.080 and i remember in in in high school when i you know slept around a lot you know i've mentioned

00:02:53.360 this on other podcasts and you know by the time i got to college i slept with over 100 people and i

00:03:00.480 don't think that's a good thing to do i i would clarify i think that i associated it with status

00:03:06.480 and then i began to you know like the machine that malcolm is if i'm like okay you know this thing has

00:03:12.480 value in society i must orient my life around maximizing right if sex is your objective

00:03:18.320 function it's your objective function you got to maximize it well and that's what the environment

00:03:23.440 of this modern useful culture taught me right so i would try to engage with it as much as possible and

00:03:30.000 i remember thinking oh my gosh like whenever the abortion stuff would come up i won't be able to

00:03:35.200 have sex as freely now as a man slut abortion is very important yes fewer women will want to sleep

00:03:42.480 with me and they may get pregnant and then decide not to have an abortion and then i didn't even

00:03:47.520 think about that this election is screwed all the men who want to have sex can't vote yeah one of my

00:03:54.240 favorite things is these these progressives where you'll have them standing out and they'll being

00:03:59.280 like with these new abortion restrictions i'm just i guess i'm not going to be able to sleep

00:04:04.240 with any man whenever they feel like it like one woman you were talking about in a podcast

00:04:09.360 was like you know what i'm seriously thinking about now only sleeping with men i'd be comfortable

00:04:15.040 raising a child with and it's like you should have probably been it was a societal mistake and i can

00:04:25.360 tell you as a man who got full access to the sexual buffet that the progressives promised

00:04:30.720 though one of the core things that moved me away from all of that and that lifestyle

00:04:35.920 is i was doing that i had access to all the sex i wanted from anyone i wanted whenever i wanted

00:04:42.240 and it didn't feel good it felt good at the beginning because it wasn't really the sex that

00:04:49.680 was the core thing that felt good it was the validation the validation the achieving something that was

00:04:55.360 supposed to be hard and that gave me status was in my community but the sex itself just wasn't that

00:05:00.880 important in in terms of the happiness it gave me and a lot of people like well then that means you're

00:05:05.520 not no you're lying to yourself or you just haven't had a lot of sex like i was very sexually experimental

00:05:12.160 i tried all the stuff it was not there's just not that much pleasure to be had there i mean it's it's

00:05:17.840 i think it's very similar to food in that it can be very good but also in the end

00:05:26.800 so what i'm saying is like you're not really the the and this is the thing about traditions and i

00:05:31.840 mentioned this in another podcast recently is that traditions we have as a society are not like the

00:05:38.240 random opinions of old people they are ideas that have been honed intergenerationally for thousands of

00:05:45.200 years okay when they came to me and they go don't live a life just for sex you know you won't really

00:05:51.040 enjoy it you should focus on getting married and having a lot of kids that's where fulfillment comes

00:05:54.880 from and i was like old man you don't know what's up and now like i'm older i have more experience and

00:06:00.480 i was like oh that was 100 correct um and i and i should note that i didn't get that from my parents

00:06:06.960 my parents actually told me like my mom was really like yeah you should go out and have sex

00:06:11.120 lost people because that's not a thing to do oh my parents too go out experiment oh yeah they always

00:06:16.480 are trying to push you to experiment and you never did you you rebelled but in updating my views on

00:06:21.840 abortion i've noticed a few things so one thing i want to start talking about is the weird progressive

00:06:28.640 worshiping of abortion yes it's something i was sort of blind to i saw it as a joke or like a radical

00:06:35.360 thing but oh yeah for example in bojack horseman the the song the abortion song by aquafina

00:06:41.680 six tina aquafina america get your uteruses turn

00:06:46.080 i'm a baby killer baby killer makes me horny get that fetus kill that fetus

00:06:50.960 cloud-faced bitches in my cross face have a blow i'ma have my bushes all way

00:06:56.320 and sometimes i do i hope and pray to god my little teeters as a song

00:07:04.400 because i wanted to feel pain when i ejected from me

00:07:08.960 has the concept of women having choices gone too far but i've also seen it like there was a

00:07:15.600 trans person trying to get a uterus transfer and when asked why they wanted the uterus transfer

00:07:21.360 they wanted the uterus transfer to get an abortion they wanted to get pregnant and then have an abortion

00:07:31.120 trans women to have a successful uterus transplant

00:07:34.720 ovaries and eggs included and i want to be the first trans woman to have an abortion

00:07:43.200 right get that fetus kill that fetus get that fetus kill that fetus

00:07:47.440 and it's like whoa like that you what you think that's okay like why would you and i realize that

00:07:56.480 because it's a religious act for them almost and when they when they talk about it and your other

00:08:01.920 progressives talking about it did you enter like this special club when you have an abortion that

00:08:08.160 makes you more officially progressive and this is wild because in south park you know this is something

00:08:13.920 mr garrison wanted to do when he was getting his gender reassignment and it was like a joke mr garrison

00:08:20.240 mrs garrison you can't have an abortion don't you tell me what i can and can't do with my body

00:08:26.400 a woman has a right to choose you can't get pregnant but i missed my period you can't have periods either

00:08:34.480 you mean i'll never know what it feels like to have a baby growing inside me and then scramble its brains

00:08:39.760 and vacuum it out this would mean i'm not really a woman it's i'm just a i'm just a guy with a mutilated

00:08:45.920 penis basically yes oh boy do i feel like a jackass and now it's like a mainstream thing

00:08:54.400 in the progressive movement and it's like how did this become a mainstream thing and i think

00:09:01.120 similar to like how did it become a mainstream thing for progressives to fight that the government

00:09:05.920 should give pills that would only be relevant to people going to regular orgies with strangers

00:09:11.760 like why is that something the government needs to subsidize like they it is because it represents

00:09:17.760 a me first attitude and they never have to deal with any mental consequences at it like we are

00:09:27.360 for example not like if you're doing a very and we'll get into like what we've actually come to after

00:09:31.920 analyzing all the evidence and analyzing all the arguments on both sides like i wouldn't be against

00:09:37.600 an early abortion in regards to a person was raped or something like that but like the person should still

00:09:43.840 feel really bad about it and treat it as a weighty choice the reason why when i say feel bad about i

00:09:49.840 mean like it's not like a small thing okay to do this when progressives elevate it in this religious

00:09:56.800 like way i think the purpose of this is to remove any weight from the choice of abortion and this has

00:10:05.520 become so severe that i was looking at one statistic set and right now in the world more children

00:10:12.720 are aborted per year then humans die like post-birth humans die um and the statistic you were like

00:10:21.840 this can't be true yeah in the united nations 61 million people died in 2023 okay unintended pregnancy so

00:10:31.200 so there are sorry how many unintended there are roughly 121 million unintended pregnancies per year

00:10:37.280 between 2015 and 2019 of these unintended pregnancies 61 ended in abortion this translates to 73 million

00:10:45.360 abortions per year so there are around 73 million abortions per year and around 61 million people die

00:10:52.480 per year so the just the the lackadaisicalness with which it's treated by progressives is

00:11:00.560 absolutely nyanas to me and let's also talk about the development of the fetus at this point as

00:11:07.680 well actually no what i'll do is i'll structure this argument a few ways so first we need to ask the

00:11:13.120 obvious sort of question in the room does life begin at conception and we have a longer video where we talk

00:11:19.520 about our views on this particular subject my views on this have updated a little but not much i spent a lot

00:11:25.760 more time studying and watching the catholic views on this and okay body and i will play some clips from

00:11:33.760 a video here that get the synthesis of like the most popular arguments they have i think it for me it all

00:11:39.760 comes down to um the nature of a thing so what is the how do you know what's the nature of a thing well

00:11:44.000 the nature of thing is the what it isness of a thing right how do you discover though the nature of

00:11:48.960 a thing is you have to look at the what is it forness of the thing right so what it isness is

00:11:55.520 like okay that's the thing that's the nature how you discover the nature by looking at the what

00:11:59.040 it's forness of the things what is sex for what's the nature of sex well in order to understand the

00:12:04.000 nature of sex we have to find out the what it's forness of sex so what is sex for you'd realize

00:12:10.880 it's for two things it is for procreation and for uh the unity of the couple and that's again that's

00:12:17.120 not that's not me making something up that's not me saying well that's the religious answer it's

00:12:20.560 it's just that's the that's the objective answer that's what sex is for that's the nature of sex

00:12:25.760 and when i've talked to different catholics i keep getting the same basic argument and the

00:12:31.360 argument they've chosen their message that's good consistency well yeah i like it that it's consistent

00:12:36.880 i don't like it that it's a pagan argument well it's based on aristotelian ideas about what a thing

00:12:44.080 is and not on the bible oh and i see why if you actually go to the bible the bible is very clear

00:12:49.440 life begins before conception i knew you before you were in your mother's womb you know for those

00:12:54.080 who are unaware of our view on where life begins we believe that the bible lays out pretty clearly

00:13:00.560 that life begins before an individual is conceived which means life begins with the decision or the

00:13:06.400 potentiality of a decision to conceive a person so every time you make a decision that prevents a

00:13:13.840 future human from coming to exist you have effectively killed that future human now i wouldn't

00:13:19.520 place our view of when life begins in law because it would be onerous for people of different belief

00:13:25.680 systems but i think that this is pretty obviously true whenever i make a decision that prevents

00:13:32.240 somebody else from being alive i may as well have killed that person so for example if a woman was going

00:13:37.360 to have three children by ivf and i talk her out of having those three children i have taken those three

00:13:43.280 children's lives from them those are lives that would have come to exist had i not interfered therefore

00:13:50.080 i took those lives but somebody would be like well haven't you taken you know somebody's life from them

00:13:56.720 if you had a inseminated egg that's frozen in an ivf lab and it's like no because that's not a person

00:14:03.280 that was ever going to be able to be born you know if you for example from a woman take sperms and eggs

00:14:09.920 then make 5 000 embryos and you're like well all of those could be people no they couldn't because

00:14:13.760 you need 5 000 humans to gestate them and everything like that in the same way that i don't think that

00:14:19.120 somebody because you know i you need a sperm and an egg put in a woman in the same way you need an

00:14:23.680 embryo put in a woman to grow to eventually become a person i don't think a person who has masturbated

00:14:28.720 has literally killed millions of people because there is no way that every single one of those sperm

00:14:35.440 was going to inseminate a separate egg and eventually become an adult human however if a

00:14:41.120 person was going to sleep with someone and that person was going to get pregnant that night but

00:14:45.040 instead they decide to masturbate in that case yes that the person has taken another person's life

00:14:50.960 from them somebody who would have gotten to live that life but if i take one woman who was planning

00:14:55.120 to have kids and i talk her out of it yeah i have taken those children's lives from them just as

00:14:58.960 much as i look at my children who are all made with ivf and i know that if somebody had prevented

00:15:03.360 me from having these children those are lives that wouldn't get to exist and these are not lives that

00:15:08.640 are any lesser than other lives and this is what we believe you know we believe in predestination and

00:15:13.760 god definitely knows you before conception and that if i'm really looking for the point of the beginning

00:15:17.840 of an individual human's life it's with their gamics but they're not even really i think no it's it's

00:15:23.360 with their actions and decisions it's worth it's with their yeah but we we can talk about that in

00:15:28.880 different ways but the basic logic that they use is sex as an act is for making children and so

00:15:38.080 using sex for something else is sinful so that's that's that's one argument about like sex for any

00:15:47.680 other reason and and and and or it's not supported in the bible that's not supported in the bible by the

00:15:54.080 way yeah song of solomon for example supports uh non-procreative sex within marriage there's no

00:15:59.680 prohibition in the bible against infertile couples who are married having sex the the emphasis in the

00:16:04.320 bible and this is very clear is it sex within marriage is permitted but it doesn't need to be

00:16:09.920 procreative the elements where suddenly non-procreative sex is considered not okay that was completely

00:16:16.480 formulated by the church later it is not biblically based absolutely yeah so so to me this

00:16:23.920 argument of like sex is for creating humans therefore that's the only way you should be

00:16:28.800 creating humans it's sort of like legs are for walking therefore cars are a sin or eyes are for

00:16:34.880 seeing therefore glasses are a sin like just the the logical structure of this argument is

00:16:42.640 genuinely bizarre to me and then they'll say things like in the video he has this one line where he's

00:16:48.560 like well i mean a human life just begins when a when a fetus is created we believe that life begins

00:16:56.000 at conception because it does not be again again this isn't like a religious thing this is life begins

00:17:01.360 at conception because it does sex is for procreation and unity because it is right and i'm like but why

00:17:08.800 and i love you in the car this morning you turn to me and you go well there is a level of logical

00:17:13.120 consistency to this point you said you see if you if you put a fetus in a in a human woman's body

00:17:20.240 it will eventually become a human being and then you're like yeah and but an egg and a sperm on their

00:17:26.080 own they won't eventually become a human being and i was like you just added a little word there

00:17:33.360 that made those two things of false equivalency and allowed your little logical trick to work

00:17:38.800 you added they if you put them in a woman's body if you put an egg and a sperm in a woman's body

00:17:45.600 just like if you put a fetus in a woman's body it becomes a human being yeah or at least has the

00:17:51.040 potential because again even a an embryo that naturally was fertilized within a woman's fallopian

00:17:57.200 tubes or uterus may not implant or may miscarry etc etc etc yeah and so they're they're just

00:18:05.760 ignoring that but also i think about like the concept of insulment so if you believe in a soul

00:18:11.280 like what is that soul binding to like if i cut off my finger have i lost part of my soul like it does

00:18:18.800 not seem to me that by any logical assumption when you're talking about insulment that the soul is

00:18:24.720 binding to the just human tissue is binding but that's no one ever has made that argument the the

00:18:33.600 we are they are arguing that the human soul is binding to the developing fetus before it has any

00:18:42.320 neural tissue as soon as it is something that is distinct as its thing as the thing it will become

00:18:48.480 and i i was trying to tell you a lie i think it's akin to having a shadow once you can cast a shadow you know

00:18:54.160 you're not going to lose your shadow if you lose a finger there's no part of your body that your

00:18:57.440 shadow is connected to no no you have lost this this is a point i actually think that this is really

00:19:02.320 important you have lost part of your shadow if you lose a finger so what is the thing that must

00:19:10.400 remain intact for your personality your objectives your everything like that to maintain and be intact

00:19:18.640 it's your nervous system you need a nervous system for insulment to happen i i just cannot see an

00:19:25.520 argument that the that my finger for example if kept alive for part of me like it's is it's keeping

00:19:32.000 a part of my soul somewhere else like if i cut off my finger and then i put my finger in like a lab and

00:19:37.440 it's like a growing separate for me has like my soul separated into two like obviously not however what

00:19:44.560 frequently happens after conception is the creation of human identical twins where a single embryo splits

00:19:52.240 later in the developmental process but always before the nervous system has begun to develop do i believe

00:19:59.760 that the soul split no it's just an installment hadn't happened yet so this then becomes super

00:20:05.840 important when the nervous system develops to me but i also want to go further with this human embryo

00:20:11.680 splitting thing so chimeras and identical twins to me are the strongest argument against the belief

00:20:20.000 that insulment happens at conception and here a bit of history for people who don't know this is not

00:20:25.360 a traditional catholic belief if you talk about the like when casales is within its golden age its greatest

00:20:31.280 philosophers like thomas aquinas and augustus of hippo believed that life began at insulment so about 60 to

00:20:38.400 80 days after conception which is interesting the ideas that catholics use to talk about like well

00:20:44.400 you need like the essence of a thing when does that start came from aristotle but even aristotle

00:20:49.360 thought that life began 60 to 80 days after conception all of this is a very modern catholic theology uh that

00:20:55.760 was laid down by pope pius the ninth if you're wondering which pope this was this is the guy who did the

00:21:01.120 gate castation you know ripping penises off of all the statues this is the guy they were too small malcolm

00:21:07.120 it was insulting i who did the syllabus of errors the the this is the catholic text that said that

00:21:13.520 catholics should try to form a caliphate or a catholic government system whenever they can

00:21:18.320 this is to me sort of the epitome of the catholic dark age mindset of you know we need to erase the

00:21:25.520 people who were culturally above us like these classical creators and everything like that because

00:21:29.680 we can't even appreciate their art anymore we can't even you know draw fig leaves on everything

00:21:33.920 you know so that was the guy who came up with this but if we're talking chimeras and identical

00:21:40.080 twins because this to me is by far the strongest point like god controls how human biology works

00:21:44.800 the fact that he lets embryos split into identical twins and human chimeras to exist so what a human

00:21:51.360 chimera is is sometimes you'll get twins so a human will become impregnated with twins fraternal twins

00:21:57.440 the fraternal twins and then these two twins merge always before the nervous system is beginning to

00:22:02.640 develop into a single entity and this entity then develops believing it is genetically one person

00:22:10.720 but it's actually genetically two people and the rate of chimeras differs really heavily between

00:22:17.120 different animals so if you look at something like marmosets over 50 of marmosets are actually

00:22:22.000 chimeras no way that's so cool it is not a biological necessity that human chimeras were viable god made

00:22:30.880 that biological thing happen so then do you think that god is regularly killing just random growing

00:22:39.680 fetuses for no reason when he didn't have to or do you think that he waits also if you look at when the

00:22:44.480 body naturally aborts a growing because a huge number of pregnancies are naturally aborted what percentage

00:22:49.680 is it just like 28 but it almost always happens before the nervous system starts developing yeah

00:22:57.280 god created a system that allows our bodies to quickly determine the quality of life that will be

00:23:04.480 had by a certain genetic strain and end it before it becomes a human and he signaled this to us very

00:23:11.760 loudly by the creation of crimeras by the by identical twins and by literally writing it in the bible like

00:23:18.480 like i don't understand how you can just ignore like what's written in the bible so loudly

00:23:22.960 because like pagan philosophers told you this alternate ethical theory but then and i want to be

00:23:30.000 as nice as i can when i say this but from our perspective whenever i look at my kids and now i'm i

00:23:36.480 this is why i take abortion so much more seriously than i did historically

00:23:41.440 i'm like you aren't and i hate this thing of of you're killing a baby you're not killing a baby

00:23:45.920 you're killing a human being who's going to live their entire life who's going to have dreams and

00:23:50.720 goals when you tell somebody it's a baby and it's a child and it's an adolescent and it's an adult a

00:23:56.800 parent a grandparent a worker a leader someone who's going to love people and be loved yeah recently i went

00:24:02.800 to a reunion and i was around all of my nephews and nieces and everything like that and it really just

00:24:10.080 hit home for me every kid i don't have is somebody who's not going to get to be a teenager is somebody

00:24:16.080 who's not going to get to have a first love who's not going to get to have a job every time you talk

00:24:20.800 somebody out of ivf for reasons that don't have any biblical back you are removing a human being from

00:24:28.640 the opportunity to live well and just to restate what what you're talking about the sort of realization

00:24:33.440 that that you and i both had is that we saw people that we had hung out with when they were just

00:24:39.600 little kids low agency people not super terribly interesting whatever right not you're not going to

00:24:45.120 have complex conversations with them and then in what felt like the blink of an eye here we are talking

00:24:50.960 with them as adults and realizing oh holy crap you're a real person and when a lot of people are thinking

00:24:57.280 should i have kids should i have a baby they're literally saying and i think the wording is part of

00:25:01.360 what influences people's incorrect thinking or in incomplete thinking is they're thinking literally

00:25:07.680 should i have a baby they're thinking of what they should be asking is should i be denying a human

00:25:15.200 the right to exist yeah they're not thinking of an adult with the full range of feelings and and

00:25:21.520 the complex life of an adult they're thinking about a small low agency human well and also let's just

00:25:28.080 talk about like the logical insanity of this right like if you take this mindset what you're saying

00:25:35.520 is that if a sperm is about to reach an egg and i put down like a metal sheet between them the

00:25:41.120 moment before it happened and it doesn't reach the egg i have done something of not particularly

00:25:45.680 bad action but if like a fraction of a second after it hits that egg i end up quashing that egg now i

00:25:52.560 have killed a human being by catholic definitions not by our definitions no not by our definitions

00:25:57.840 but to me this just seems like splitting hairs it seems like any decision you make that prevents a

00:26:02.640 human being from existing is functionally killing a human and so from our perspective

00:26:09.520 when and this is another thing that really gets me the the catholic celibacy of the priest cast that it is a

00:26:16.400 religion that is ruled by people who have sacrificed their children's lives for a chance at power

00:26:23.520 that is what as soon as i realize like when i don't have a kid i am sacrificing a human life

00:26:29.120 to think that you sacrificed all of your children's life not like your firstborn all of

00:26:34.960 your children's life at a shot of power that's obviously going to twist your thinking around the value of

00:26:40.240 a human life and you're going to need to come up with these weird deontological frameworks

00:26:44.960 to not face the horror of the decision that you yourself has have made so i can understand why they

00:26:52.880 need to take this framework because that's a big thing the bible does not say that the priest cast

00:26:57.840 needs to be celibate it has like one line where it is like celibacy is okay for like some holy people

00:27:03.280 or it might have like two lines in regards to this but you know it also has lines to the contrary

00:27:09.040 so you can look at something like corinthian 7 2 that doesn't just explain that you know you should

00:27:14.720 get married but why you should which is to say but because the temptation of sexual immorality

00:27:23.120 each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband now what is this saying it's saying

00:27:31.280 if you build a society or an organization where you don't give men a wife

00:27:37.760 what's going to happen is extreme forms of sexual immorality for example child grape

00:27:46.560 which you know prescient you know i'm not 100 against it but it is be fruitful and multiply

00:27:52.880 like this is like a a recurring thing throughout the bible you're supposed to have kids and so again

00:27:59.280 it's like tradition is overriding what is biblical but now i need to go well no no i just want to dive

00:28:06.480 into this a little bit more because what it seems like the bible really pushes for is self-discipline

00:28:15.360 self-discipline in your desires and self-discipline in your action so it's not the actual absence of

00:28:21.680 having sex that matters and it's not it's not whether or not you're a virgin it's are you able

00:28:29.520 to abstain are you able to prioritize god over your personal comfort and of course it it chastity

00:28:38.480 is supported when not being chased involves for example breaking your marriage contract and cheating on

00:28:47.680 your spouse that's not okay it that that's clear and also lusting after someone else's life is bad

00:28:55.840 but that really has to do about with emotional control and doesn't have to do with what you're

00:29:00.160 actually like how slutty or not slutty you are this is about are you prioritizing god and are you in

00:29:05.920 control of your human functions and i think for the same reason why gluttony is not okay but eating is

00:29:14.800 okay this isn't it's really about how you do it and it's about moderation i just want to make that

00:29:19.120 clear because when i when i actually looked at what the bible says i was surprised by how little

00:29:25.040 technical not having sex was emphasized yeah so it is it's like and this is the thing that gets me

00:29:32.480 the cost of this if it was just that they were exercising self-discipline instead of denying humans

00:29:38.880 who otherwise would have been born the right to exist i wouldn't care about it if they weren't

00:29:43.440 convincing other people especially when you consider that by 2060 50 of the population is

00:29:48.080 going to be infertile especially when you consider that catholics get married much later than other

00:29:52.080 christian denominations which is the core reason why they're lower fertility than other once they're

00:29:56.880 married they have kids at the same rate sorry we should note this catholics are way lower fertility

00:30:00.720 than other christian groups you can see our video on this so i'm like genuinely afraid for like

00:30:05.040 catholic survival in one sense and then in another sense because i'm looking at this from a different

00:30:09.920 moral framework you know the bible instead of like all of this tradition and everything obviously

00:30:14.880 i'm going to see things a little differently but to me it looks like you know child sacrifice um but i

00:30:20.400 want to go further here to talk about what progressives thinks and just how how crazy it is

00:30:24.320 if you look at the way that progressives are being coached to talk about fetus they will do things like

00:30:29.680 like be coached to talk about uh cardiac activity instead of a heartbeat yeah or what did they say

00:30:36.720 cluster of cells is that how they put it i'm trying to remember or cardiac tissue begins to pulse you

00:30:43.200 know um this happens five to six weeks i think about my child's heartbeat it makes me weak but i want to go

00:30:51.360 over the timeline of a pregnancy we can sort of come to a when does it seem like there is enough neural

00:30:58.080 tissue there for insulment to happen yeah and i like your idea of the shadow cast when is a shadow

00:31:05.040 beginning to be cast by this thing that will eventually become a person okay and again i don't

00:31:11.120 think that non-neural tissue casts a shadow in humans and so i think that you're you're gonna have

00:31:15.120 to my finger does not cast a shadow that a soul could inhabit like okay yeah from my body so let's go

00:31:20.640 over the timing and i want to i want to start with something that's really important that kind of

00:31:24.320 threw me for a loop when i first started having pregnancies pregnancy weeks are not intuitive okay

00:31:30.640 pregnancy weeks like i'm 20 weeks pregnant i am five weeks pregnant is conception minus two weeks

00:31:36.720 pregnancy week starts with the female cycle starting so when i start my period is when day one of the

00:31:43.360 pregnancy 40 weeks period starts did you know that malcolm i didn't know that yeah so now you know

00:31:49.360 basically if we're talking the catholic concept a woman who is two weeks pregnant actually isn't

00:31:56.240 pregnant because no conception has happened you know she's in the process of preparing to ovulate

00:32:02.240 so also keep in mind that implantation after conception so you know once once the egg and sperm are

00:32:08.720 fertilized which typically occurs about two weeks after your last period begins implantation into the

00:32:15.280 uterine lining doesn't happen for another eight or nine days and i know this all too well from ivf i've

00:32:21.280 had a cycle where you know things didn't go quite well and i i lost our embryo implantation doesn't

00:32:27.600 always go well it is not a guarantee that after there is conception and you have a fertilized embryo that

00:32:33.200 has made it to day five that is that is going all right is gonna implant properly and continue to

00:32:38.640 start growing so like you say that you know the body is many ways of being like working out go ahead

00:32:44.640 do you want me to go into like the timeline sure so if you go to around three to four weeks that's

00:32:50.560 when the neural tube begins to form now it's very important and people can misunderstand this if they

00:32:55.760 haven't studied developmental biology is the neural tube is not made of neural tissue it is not neurons

00:33:02.800 it is just a tube of cells that eventually turns into all of the stuff that is a neuron in a brain and

00:33:09.280 everything like that but it is not there's there's not like action potentials and stuff like that in

00:33:14.480 the neural tube by week six or seven the first neurons begin to form and a basic brain structure

00:33:21.200 begins to develop so this is when i think six and seven like if you are at the absolute earliest of

00:33:25.840 when insolment could happen that's i think the absolute earliest with when seven weeks might happen

00:33:32.320 which would be which would be five weeks so a month and one week after the the the sex act will have

00:33:40.880 happened which is just from a logistical standpoint okay no no no this isn't looking at the weeks of

00:33:48.640 pregnancy this is looking like oh and weeks of gestation yeah oh okay the weeks that i'm looking at

00:33:54.960 are based on pregnancy weeks because that is how all of these things work and seven weeks is is when

00:34:00.800 yeah based on on seven weeks of pregnancy is when the pain receptors start to form is when the nervous

00:34:05.280 system starts to form well well so that's when the the pain receptors start to form but you don't

00:34:09.280 have brain waves yet which is important yes you don't have brain waves yet yeah so it's it's a it's a

00:34:13.600 bull it although at eight weeks fetuses can move in response to stimuli that's when things get even

00:34:18.560 more like things start to snowball weeks is when you get brain waves and they can move in response to

00:34:23.920 stimuli i think for me this is what i'd say you likely have a human being there well i would say

00:34:30.800 even more shadowy human being it's it would be like a not fully binding soul yet from my perspective

00:34:37.520 yeah it's but we're getting you know it's getting into dark territory then at 12 weeks the nerves

00:34:42.240 linking pain receptors to the thalamus and subparticle plates start forming and that's when researchers

00:34:49.200 really start to argue that fetuses can feel pain and when i think they obviously can so there's been

00:34:55.040 things where people have done like videos of like abortions and you can see like the fetus screaming

00:34:58.800 oh don't don't tell me don't so they don't cry all night jesus if you're if you're going

00:35:05.040 in these later stage so i think you didn't give me a trigger warning i should have known i should

00:35:08.720 have known we're talking about this the the 12 week mark i i think is where it it really i i don't

00:35:16.320 understand how you can go past that um well and here's the thing that really gets me is that

00:35:21.440 at 15 weeks if for example that you have some really rare condition and some kind of procedure

00:35:28.720 needs to be done on your fetus that at that point they start using pain medication on your fetus to

00:35:34.480 save it but like when they're doing the thing they it is now standard medical practice after 15 weeks to

00:35:40.560 use anesthesia during fetal surgeries now let's talk about but and this is really important and

00:35:47.040 this is going to come up a little bit later in my thoughts on this subject pain medication is not

00:35:51.920 standard practice in abortions oh that's wild it's better practice when they're trying to save them

00:35:58.960 when they're trying to save it it's standard practice after after 15 weeks of course use anesthesia

00:36:03.360 abortions that a doctor may at their discretion but there is no standard practice because it's that's

00:36:12.240 what's so interesting to this about me is there's this one part of the medical establishment that is

00:36:18.560 like okay this is a baby we're gonna save your baby don't worry mother it's gonna be fine and then there's

00:36:23.600 this totally sort of other industry which is like this is a cluster of tissue there is there is there's

00:36:28.720 cardiac activity let's you know you need to exercise your right this is not human and i think you know

00:36:34.720 when we're talking about something that is capable of feeling pain that is recoiling in response to

00:36:40.880 stimuli to sharp stimuli or cuts this is and i'm just going to get into it so i think that at some points

00:36:50.720 abortions are appropriate but i also think that throughout any point in someone's life euthanasia is

00:36:58.400 sometimes appropriate and that is when you have you know a life-threatening you have days to live

00:37:03.440 and you either get to choose between you know three weeks five days whatever of intense suffering and

00:37:08.640 pain or you can you know choose to terminate your life or if someone doesn't have agency out of love

00:37:16.320 for them terminate their life in as as as kind and painless as a fashion possible and so i think that

00:37:24.640 that's really the discussion that should be had in the instance of abortions is that when when a a child

00:37:32.320 is not viable and is going to die in in intense pain you need to take the same approach that you

00:37:38.240 would take with any human in palliative care i'd actually like you to push this when you when you're

00:37:44.640 in office i think a bill that one rolls back how how late abortion is happening in pennsylvania but two

00:37:51.680 mandates that when it does happen after a certain date that they use anesthetics yeah so in utah

00:37:57.360 then it forces them to consider like you know but in utah and some other states and of course utah

00:38:04.160 because they get it they love their kids they they do have some rules about using anesthesia that like

00:38:11.200 require you to use anesthesia for for abortions but this is not universal in states so there are some

00:38:16.800 legal requirements on this front but it is it is not let's see in utah train oh no i don't have

00:38:25.120 how many weeks it is in utah but i think it might even be 20 weeks i think it might be after 20 weeks

00:38:29.440 in utah and what i would say is after 12 weeks period you're here are like oh you guys are being rhinos

00:38:38.640 about this stuff if you look at republicans by q data who are under the age of 30 like the next

00:38:43.120 generation of republicans around 47 percent so around half believe in abortions under any

00:38:47.920 circumstance the the standard republican establishment in the united states has screwed

00:38:54.000 up the united states abortion practice to the extent so let me explain what i mean by that in

00:38:58.880 pennsylvania right now it's legal to get abortions up to 24 weeks this is true in most u.s states now

00:39:05.680 people don't understand why yeah and i think in uh pennsylvania it's 23 isn't it it's 24 24 nope

00:39:13.120 simone was right as always it is 23 in a few days oh so hold on hold on now what's really important

00:39:21.760 here right is is a lot of people were like we're okay with like the european model of 12 weeks right

00:39:29.120 like that's what it is in most i think it's 15 and in most 12 to 15 yeah depending 15 weeks so people are

00:39:35.360 like why do you guys keep pointing out that it's 15 weeks in europe and the reason why we keep pointing

00:39:43.680 that out is america is a more conservative country than europe yes hold on so why is it true that in

00:39:52.960 america we have much looser abortion policy than they have in europe the answer is the life begins at

00:39:59.040 conception crowd did that pick up on the mic no okay but the the answer is the reason why we have

00:40:08.720 such a late and horrific abortion policy in the u.s is the life begins at conception crowd they

00:40:15.440 absolutely screwed up this fight and kept us from winning and passing same legislation around abortion

00:40:24.160 because they always were like well i will vote for this i won't vote for them so there can be no

00:40:30.480 reasonable compromise no reasonable legislation because that's so polarized now they have and and

00:40:36.960 they have created this mindset where people don't even engage with what's really happening even young

00:40:42.880 republicans don't really engage what's really happening if you look at our views on abortion this we should

00:40:48.880 move it back to this 12 week mark this view on abortion is far to the right of the average republican

00:40:57.760 voter in america right yeah well and i also here's another thing that i really want to emphasize

00:41:02.880 12 weeks is three months is a summer vacation in the united states three months think about think about

00:41:09.280 how much can happen in three months you can do a world tour in three months you can do a european

00:41:13.440 tour in three months you can you can grow a beard in three months you can you know significantly

00:41:19.360 adjust to life trauma in three months that is enough time if you just decide you don't want a baby

00:41:26.960 to you know take care of it in three months i mean honestly you know after you have had had sex with

00:41:33.760 someone you can immediately take a morning after pill assuming that you're in a state where that's where

00:41:38.240 that's legal and if here you think we're being anti-catholic or something and saying that the

00:41:42.480 morning after pill should be legal consider that in the united states non-religiously affiliated

00:41:48.560 individuals who have never been married 35 have used the morning after pill among catholics that's

00:41:54.160 32 that's much higher than groups like evangelical protestants where it's only 28 and they don't even

00:42:02.320 have a religious objection to that or you can say well okay that's just the non-super religious

00:42:09.440 catholics right the very religious catholics the number must be significantly different

00:42:15.120 well unfortunately if you go to the ones who go to church once a month it's 36 percent one to three

00:42:23.840 times a month it's 33 percent and then weekly it's 25 so still a quarter of catholics who go to church

00:42:33.280 every week have used the morning after pill and if here you're like well then this just proves we need

00:42:37.920 to remove the temptation to sin except then you would go you don't get much more catholic than the

00:42:43.920 first council of nicaea and at the first council of nicaea it was decided it was so sinful to remove

00:42:51.360 the temptation of sin from an individual that those individuals weren't allowed in the priesthood

00:42:55.760 specifically individuals who had castrated themselves to make it easier to not be tempted

00:43:01.920 by sexual sin were forcibly removed from the priesthood sin exists to fortify your spirit

00:43:09.280 through resisting if god didn't want the devil to tempt you if god didn't want the devil to be doing

00:43:15.600 what he's doing he could snap his fingers and the devil would disappear and i think you know things

00:43:21.200 like this should be legal i mean we don't want to get to a point where you know this is a problem in

00:43:26.400 the first place where people are destroying life and and it gets worse you know this is one of those

00:43:30.720 things where like it starts off like the morality of it gets worse and worse the longer you wait

00:43:36.080 and i think it would be so great if we just moved the timeline up a little bit so that the damage that

00:43:42.240 people did and people took it seriously instead of just waiting and waiting and waiting but hold on

00:43:46.640 we need to keep going here because i want to with this 24 week in mind so you guys understand why

00:43:51.600 this is worth fighting for because i think a lot of people they either get this idiotic life begins

00:43:56.800 at conception perspective which is anti-biblical it's pagan okay it is not what the great catholic

00:44:03.040 thinkers thought it is a modern mindset if people are like oh protestants protestants did not think

00:44:08.640 this is and ultimately leads to more abortions to the point you just made more abortions are

00:44:13.520 taking place because you're holding this view in the 1970s more republicans than democrats

00:44:18.080 were pro-abortion but they wanted more strict access to abortion and this whole thing fell

00:44:22.400 apart when we entered this recreational abortion era and this worshiping of abortion that we now

00:44:27.680 get with democrats because of this alternate mindset but what i want to go into now is what

00:44:33.360 is actually happening so we got to the 12 week mark where we're like okay i can no longer justify

00:44:38.240 you know what is happening from there to the 24 week okay trigger warnings for your wife who cries all

00:44:45.040 night thinking about meaning the cerebral cortex starts to form layers auditory development begins

00:44:50.720 and the fetus may start to hear sound and then by week 20 the salamis and cortex begin to form

00:44:56.800 connections which is considered crucial for consciousness so they're almost certainly

00:45:01.360 conscious at this point 23 to 20 consciousness is one of those things that also makes us human so

00:45:05.760 if we're talking about well i'm okay with killing animals i eat meat why would i not be okay with

00:45:12.400 killing you know a human the thing that makes a thing that isn't quite human a thing that makes

00:45:17.920 us human is consciousness so i think to that point it's getting worse 23 to 26 rapid brain growth

00:45:22.960 occurs some studies suggest that rudimentary forms of consciousness might begin to emerge around this

00:45:27.600 time and so that's the stage that right now they're like okay yeah we can go a little bit past that stage

00:45:37.200 and that is and and by the way before that stage you know you were giving me the studies on

00:45:42.000 things like being able to react when the mother is eating certain types of food and yeah they make

00:45:47.440 yucky faces when the mothers are fed bitter foods even when the mother cannot taste them that's what's

00:45:54.560 so cool about these is that it for the for the research they they put a tube down the mother's throat so

00:45:59.360 the mother's not tasting the food they're not reacting to like stress hormones in the mother's

00:46:03.440 body they're literally reacting to the the food that they're getting through there through their

00:46:07.680 placenta yeah and here i'd note all of this in the context when people talk about the life

00:46:12.240 begins at conception and in terms of like not doing ibf they'll do this thing where they'll be like

00:46:17.680 well humans born through ibf aren't lesser than other humans now say you have a we did in feature in

00:46:24.160 vitro and now we have a child are you saying that they're not they shouldn't be here that you're

00:46:27.120 are you saying that they're they're not really human they're not made in god's image and likeness i am

00:46:30.560 absolutely not saying that if you have been conceived through in vitro or your children have been conceived

00:46:36.240 through in vitro you are a child of god they are you're made in god's image and likeness they are

00:46:41.600 made in god's image and likeness that's that's the truth you're loved by god not an accident not a

00:46:50.240 mistake like they'll then add that and it's like but you're saying that they are you're saying that

00:46:56.640 they're that if people had listened to you if they have chosen the timeline that you are advocating for

00:47:02.240 those actual children wouldn't exist and when i look at my children oh but that's not how they

00:47:09.280 see it how they see it is that millions of unborn children are locked up in freezers right now

00:47:16.240 their souls stuck forever soon to be discarded because of ibf

00:47:22.000 but they're literally preventing some souls from coming to exist like like they can even even even

00:47:30.240 if you believe that despite the fact that that's pagan and goes against the bible despite the fact

00:47:35.680 that like god created like do you think that god's an idiot that he made human crimeras as like

00:47:40.320 a joke like just erasing infant souls i could see listen i mean god lets infants die sometimes

00:47:47.840 i he could just be like you know what this one's this one's this soul's joining me we're gonna

00:47:56.160 we'll just get rid of this one yeah yeah no but the callousness with which that means god is treating

00:48:01.200 these souls if you look at the number of implanted fetus embryos that don't end up developing into

00:48:06.640 fetuses does god like was he just like acting incredibly callously with these souls like this is

00:48:12.480 the thing to me so okay even even if you believe this then you are still preventing some souls that

00:48:20.080 otherwise would have come to grow and live full adult lives from living full adult lives you are

00:48:25.680 still preventing those humans from coming into existence and i just like can't get over like when

00:48:30.960 i look at my kids these are people who they would have denied existence and i just can't get over and

00:48:40.160 what are you doing when you deny someone in existence other than killing them and and again

00:48:44.640 this is just something that resonates with me so strongly and i feel so strongly about now when i

00:48:51.840 think about every time when somebody because one of my cousins pulled me aside recently she goes well

00:48:56.560 you have four kids like think about the vacations they won't get to experience because of the other

00:49:00.320 kids like those are additional human beings you're talking about like those are additional people who are

00:49:05.760 going to be here at these events and this is all so uniquely important for catholics because of the

00:49:10.480 late catholic marriage rate people can be like why is this so uniquely important if you have a late

00:49:14.080 catholic marriage rate well because it turns out that the health of an embryo genetically speaking and in

00:49:20.080 terms of life outcomes is based not on when the mother got pregnant but when the embryo was frozen

00:49:25.680 so if a catholic gets married at like 30 and they freeze a bunch of embryos and they keep having kids until like

00:49:31.360 their 50s those kids will be as healthy as they would have been had they had them in their 30s

00:49:36.240 so they are increasing those children's quality of lives and helping the catholic tradition survive

00:49:42.160 and that scares me as well it's the death of the catholic tradition but right now if you look at

00:49:46.960 current catholic fertility rates and right now catholics in the united states have a lower fertility

00:49:52.400 rate than the secular population of the united states that it or not the secular but i'd say the average

00:49:57.760 population of the united states not if you split out secular but the average population which includes

00:50:01.520 the secular population and it shouldn't even be close like this is banana nutter butters sorry i

00:50:06.880 should clarify here i mean the native-born catholic fertility rate immigrants typically have a slightly

00:50:12.560 higher fertility rate than native-born individuals and when you include the large catholic immigrant

00:50:16.960 population in the united states it goes above the average and people are like well you've got the

00:50:21.040 conservative communities and maybe they'll pull through but i am scared okay that they won't and

00:50:28.560 we talked about this in the other the other catholic fertility before we updated our own views because

00:50:32.480 the one thing i really want to take this video as an opportunity to do is for people who like are

00:50:37.200 just so focused on the life begins at conception thing that they don't focus on when the fetus begins

00:50:42.320 developing a nervous system they don't focus on just how casually abortions are being done globally now

00:50:47.840 with the global export of abortions well and also with the the lack of any ability to compromise the

00:50:54.320 fact that some really egregious things are happening and if everyone could just be reasonable and we

00:50:59.280 could just agree you know whether what whether or not you believe in insolvent i think we can all agree

00:51:04.560 that euthanizing a human without any painkillers is pretty freaking horrendous and that you know once

00:51:13.360 someone is able to recoil in pain maybe we should ask for their permission before we

00:51:19.440 do something that causes them pain that kind of thing you know or you know at least

00:51:23.680 give them a shot give them some yeah and if some people are like well human dignity is scaled with

00:51:28.720 human intelligence right so they're like they begin to get like gradually more of a soul the smarter

00:51:34.800 they get you get a big problem there because that means then that you think that like

00:51:38.960 the mentally disabled have less of a soul and i understand the logic in this right like i think

00:51:45.440 it's an internally consistent perspective i think it's much more internally consistent than life

00:51:49.360 begins at conception i do not think that is an internally consistent perspective because it requires

00:51:53.600 the trick of the tongue where life begins at conception because the fetus becomes a human when

00:51:59.200 you put it in a woman but an egg and a sperm will not become a human and it's like you've left out the

00:52:04.960 second part you can't do that if you put them in a woman they do become a human and therefore they

00:52:10.320 do matter um which which sorry that really gets me that they always leave out the second part it's

00:52:16.560 a completely logically inconsistent argument

00:52:22.560 or the idea that and i just don't get theology of the body and maybe somebody can explain this to me

00:52:27.280 maybe there's something i'm missing in the comments where you guys can be like

00:52:30.160 like it's it's not exactly that sex is for creating embryos and therefore that is

00:52:37.600 that is that means that okay so sex is for creating babies therefore if you create babies in any other

00:52:44.880 way it's wrong or if you use sex for anything else it's wrong no because you can use things biblically

00:52:51.120 you can use sex for other things for enjoying yeah and also like legs are for walking therefore swimming

00:52:56.160 is a sin like what that makes no sense therefore or or it's like okay swimming didn't exist therefore

00:53:02.560 bicycling is a sin because bicycling didn't exist during the bible so bicycling must be a sin we're

00:53:07.840 using technology so that our legs can do something that they were not created to do and it's like that's

00:53:14.400 silly it's like act i don't mean to like dismiss the argument here but i'd love to hear an argument that

00:53:19.840 like just doesn't come across as silly if the alternative now keep in mind they're often like

00:53:26.480 well i just want to be safe on this issue and it's like yeah but you're killing kids because those kids

00:53:32.800 would have come to exist otherwise and you talked people out of having them so it's not like there's

00:53:37.840 no moral weight to this this is an incredibly important decision especially in the context of

00:53:44.560 of 50 of men in the developed world being infertile by 26 feet any final thoughts simone because you are

00:53:50.800 always more tempered than me you always have more sophisticated ideas than me i don't know it just

00:53:56.080 it just confuses me are the argument compelling at all like if you the the catholic argument against

00:54:01.840 sex for pleasure yeah no this was developed by the council of trent in 1546 i don't know how people

00:54:07.840 thought then who knows what was going on then who knows who these people were so i mean we know

00:54:15.440 literally who they were but they weren't like biblically like inspired by god or anything well

00:54:20.560 right like what i'm saying is well what what if they were you know at that time there was like a really

00:54:26.640 big gay orgy problem among the people who were there who were like you know what this sex for pleasure

00:54:32.640 thing not great let's just make it clear that sexual and i should know i don't know like we

00:54:39.440 weren't there this is actually going to come out in a future tract but i actually do believe

00:54:45.280 that sex within marriage that is no chance of leading to a kid is a form of sin and person might

00:54:52.000 be like yeah but god allowed it in certain parts of the bible and i'd say well the deontological rule

00:54:57.920 set that god laid out in the bible changes over time which to us is evidence that god actually

00:55:03.920 meant for a consequentialist outcome you know like do i think god is pro-slavery because he gave rules

00:55:09.120 for how slavery should okay but if that's true then i would also argue that drinking alcohol is a sin

00:55:17.520 unless you're drinking it for frontier medicine purposes i agree drinking alcohol is a sin and that

00:55:22.080 eating non-nutritious food or eating when you don't have a caloric need is i agree eating when

00:55:27.440 you don't have a caloric need anything that you can't do for the glory of god the bible makes

00:55:31.360 this clear in multiple occasions is a sin um yeah but so that means it's also kind of

00:55:38.160 one of those things that we're all breaking the rule so who cares well no it's not we're all breaking

00:55:42.720 the rule who so who cares it's just don't glorify the sin be aware that we are wretched we are fallen we

00:55:48.400 are oh yeah yeah don't don't expect a prize kid that kind of thing don't expect a prize like you

00:55:53.200 can say okay i was doing something that wasn't glorifying god but again i'm not a god myself i'm

00:55:58.160 not jesus like i'm not i'm not sinless the the the important thing to bite the bullet on is just

00:56:05.040 to not glorify this to not attempt to worship god through the act of sex or something like that

00:56:11.440 do not treat sex as a sacrament to god just because you're doing it in a marriage if you

00:56:17.760 know it's non-reproductive and so yeah that's that's the way i feel that's that's much more

00:56:23.680 controversial for me to say that and and you know i do think that we need to say that drinking and

00:56:29.520 eating non-nutritious food is a sin that's pretty standard it's not standard oh no not in modern

00:56:36.160 reasonable i think i think modern christianity has gotten to this this state where it's like

00:56:40.960 some things are sins some things are like i guess yeah maybe maybe it seems reasonable to me because

00:56:46.000 that it's more something that you kind of get the the feeling of in the rationalist or ea community

00:56:51.440 that gluten is a sin you know eating sugar is a sin eating cake is a sin or you even get it on like

00:56:57.840 internet culture i mean like intermittent fasting is a sin i think for example sports are a sin like like

00:57:03.600 watching sports for entertainment are a sin but yeah you're taking a very puritanical approach they

00:57:08.320 talk about in no i'm taking a biblical approach here simone the bible says if you can't do it for

00:57:13.920 the glory of god it's a sin okay you know i i can go through a few quotes here in post so here you

00:57:20.160 have lines like corinthians 10 31 which instructs us whether therefore you eat or drink or whatever you

00:57:26.800 do do all for the glory of god or corinthians 5 15 which states and he died for all that those

00:57:33.360 who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died and then was raised again

00:57:38.240 or calatians 3 23 which states and whatever you do do it heartily as to the lord and not unto men

00:57:47.760 or romans 14 23 which states but if you have doubts about whether or not you should eat something you are

00:57:53.680 sinning if you go ahead and do it for you are not following your convictions if you do anything you

00:57:58.560 believe is not right you are sinning but no it is a sin the people of the past lived with easier to

00:58:05.600 follow ethical systems than are demanded of us because we have developed past what god expected

00:58:12.080 of those earlier generations and you know if you if you're not doing it for the glory of god

00:58:17.680 then it is a sin and i think you know yeah i i don't like this this weaselly like like oh well

00:58:26.160 it's not a sin because it doesn't you know cause disgust in me you know it's like well actually you

00:58:31.520 know look towards what the bible is saying and come up with like a logical way to interpret it that

00:58:36.160 doesn't have that's what's so clear about sex in the bible is that it yeah it really is you know

00:58:41.040 not about whether you're doing it or not or but i will say i have a grayer area on sex within

00:58:48.400 marriage i am not a hundred percent sure if that has to be a sin because the bible does say it's okay

00:58:54.240 for non-procreative purposes so i'm like solomon my friend it is yeah this this this might be it

00:59:00.560 doesn't i think yeah if you want to take a purely biblical approach you're gonna have to come down

00:59:06.000 exactly where the puritans came down whereas sex within marriage even if it's not procreative is

00:59:10.160 freaking fantastic okay sex within marriage is fine i will break on that but again i don't think

00:59:17.120 that it okay it's fine sex within marriage because it can be done for the glory of god is fine uh i

00:59:24.560 have thought about this further and i was wrong on this point uh i think we need to view the lines

00:59:30.880 in the bible that approve of sex within marriage that is non-procreative as fine as being equivalent

00:59:38.240 to the lines of the bible that give rules around slavery the reason being that can you do an act

00:59:45.440 which is primarily for your own pleasure for the glory of god and the answer here is just no an act

00:59:53.280 void of industry cannot be for the glory of god we are held to different moral standards than our

00:59:59.440 ancestors were by god and we can choose to either live like people who lived 2000 years ago or we can

01:00:06.800 choose to step up to this stricter set of moral requirements that's i believe demanded of us well

01:00:13.760 i think what what we're looking at is the celebration of a a sacrament you know an alignment and unity of

01:00:24.400 man and woman which is something that god is cool with you know he made the barbie and ken doll because he

01:00:32.160 wants to see them kiss yeah yeah i i see that and i will also note here when people are like no the

01:00:39.040 council of whatever like this is uh approved by god because everything done within the church

01:00:44.000 bureaucracy is approved by god and it's like well i mean but clearly not because like the sex scandal

01:00:49.920 like that was clearly the most satanic thing i've ever seen and the church bureaucracy tried to cover

01:00:54.560 it up you know how am i supposed to trust in that if it is the then telling me deny humans the right

01:01:01.360 to learn something really interesting talking with the insurance federation in pennsylvania okay tell me

01:01:06.400 about that just like a weird aside that the stat a change of the statute of limitation around that was

01:01:12.800 inspired by catholic church abuse of children affects the insurance market in a way that would make

01:01:19.680 insurance prohibitively expensive for child care centers to make it like almost impossible to open

01:01:25.360 a child care business in our state oh that's funny very interesting yeah like from up from the you have

01:01:31.920 to be careful about the legislative changes that you make when you're regulating people perspective and

01:01:37.840 less is more in many cases that's one of those really interesting knock-on effect things

01:01:42.880 anyway something i learned recently that was interesting that well i mean i think this shows how much

01:01:48.640 child sex abuse happens in daycare centers and this is something that we need to well no no no you are

01:01:52.880 legally required to be insured for that when you open a daycare center yeah but i mean that they

01:02:00.080 expect this to be violated and then people to remember it as adults like that to me shows that

01:02:05.280 this must be happening pretty frequently no it's more that some person when deciding the regulatory

01:02:11.040 requirements of daycare that's not the point i'm making the insurance wouldn't cost much if this never

01:02:18.080 happened it costs a lot because it's a frequent occurrence you understand that right right but

01:02:24.640 then i i think the issue is that they're not striating the form of liability enough where maybe

01:02:31.600 you should have like a a religious one and then a daycare one and a public school one and and separate

01:02:38.240 out the actual actuary tables differently well what it shows is that the type of abuse that happened

01:02:44.400 within the catholic church is actually common among all industries where people are around kids yeah

01:02:49.600 but it shouldn't have been happening in the church at all and and and what it shows to me as an

01:02:54.400 outsider that can't just take the church bureaucracy i don't know i mean of all places where you'd expect

01:02:59.760 it to happen the catholic church just seems so logical because i always see catholicism as

01:03:04.640 you can mess up you just have to be feel bad about it and ask you know and confess and repent well no

01:03:13.360 not easy because like if you look at the cadaver synod you know we've talked about it before which is

01:03:17.920 the trial and stuff it's not even like well the pope is protected from making mistakes like i don't know

01:03:25.600 to me they're like no it's in these very special instances that the pope is protected from making

01:03:29.760 mistakes and it's like yeah but those instances weren't codified until after the cadaver synod so

01:03:35.440 they weren't relevant in the cadaver synod your average catholic would have believed that all of

01:03:39.040 that was biblically inspired you can't like make the rules that make that not relevant after that happens

01:03:45.840 and i would also note which a lot of people forget that the cadaver synod happened

01:03:49.360 sort of right before the split of the orthodox church from the catholic church and so they would

01:03:54.880 have had that fresh in their minds during the split when the catholics were like actually we should be

01:03:58.720 in charge of everything and our bureaucracy gets everything right always they would have been

01:04:02.720 like but um what about that dead guy you put on trial dead pope you put on trial and then one pope

01:04:11.360 then said not just condemned him afterwards because he could be like well that pope really was a bad guy

01:04:16.320 but then the pope after that then said no actually everything was cool and the guy who condemned him

01:04:20.080 was the bad guy um so you had i wonder if they changed his outfit did they dress him for trial or did

01:04:25.360 they just you have whatever he was wearing in the grave imagine being that guy who's like been

01:04:31.680 tasked with preparing him for trial that'd be very awkward anyway we're splitting dead people's hairs

01:04:38.960 now i love you and what do you want for dinner speaking of putting corpses on trial what do you

01:04:43.840 have for cooking tonight

01:04:47.600 i'd be up for pasta or i'd be up for the new pizza i got

01:04:51.200 or a pot sticker so it's always an option oh well the audience doesn't like that because that i mean

01:04:57.600 all these things well all these things are carb heavy i our audience seems to not believe in let's

01:05:01.360 actually do pot stickers i love pot stickers tonight you've done a great job with those recently can i

01:05:05.200 do pot stickers and then a side of that soup that i got the the new one the new one yeah what was it

01:05:10.960 like sweet potato soup good heavens i don't know but we can do it wait off we go i love you i love you

01:05:19.120 too oh wait to go to stacy and john um and we we're together we can walk over some groceries for them

01:05:28.560 okay you want to i can walk over the groceries by myself yeah but i don't want to pack them so just

01:05:32.880 let me come down okay okay bye love you and i understand why despite the bible saying that you

01:05:40.000 know he knows you before you were conceived in your mother's womb and that means that there's a

01:05:44.240 lot of weight to decisions because if life begins before conception then you are responsible for

01:05:49.520 every human that you have decided to not bring into this world if you had the ability to do that and

01:05:55.280 so i understand why people have chosen to not take responsibility for this interpretation but if it's

01:06:03.040 accurate it's pretty horrifying you know it means that this mormon interpretation of of what's

01:06:09.840 heaven like well i don't think it's exactly like that you know all of the kids waiting to be born

01:06:15.280 i do think it can be useful to envision our future kids like this because it helps us make better moral

01:06:22.000 choices around them in the same way that uh you know i often imagine if if one of my kids thought about

01:06:29.520 becoming a celibate priest of whatever denomination that their children would be up in heaven just like

01:06:37.600 horrified yelling at them what are you doing read the bible emily what's wrong i'm the last kid

01:06:44.800 to be born what if by that time mom and dad don't want me no way but i've seen lots of families make

01:06:51.040 promises and then break them not us emily i will see to it personally that you're not forgotten you

01:06:59.920 promise jimmy promise we meet a million subscribers we do is that what you said you wanted this morning

01:07:08.400 yeah why did you say you wanted that this morning because i just wanted to and then you told me this

01:07:16.400 the subscribers are people yeah and why do they watch you because and you know why because that's great

01:07:29.680 do you want them to like you yes what are you doing what you're being tricky yeah that's correct

01:07:43.680 and you gotta come to our house because the millions cry first gotta come i think that'd be

01:07:53.120 very very very bad but wouldn't that be too many people wouldn't you get scared yeah well i will not

01:08:00.080 be scared not even a little no what are subscribers friends yeah oh okay i love you i do like this right

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Based Camp - August 14, 2024

Abortion： An Act of Urban Monoculture Worship

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