Based Camp - AI Killed Job Security： How to Survive in a Post-AI Workforce

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be discussing the

00:00:04.640 fact that if you are young today, or you are raising kids today, you need to be raising them

00:00:10.260 for a post-job economy. It means making very different decisions about the way that you help

00:00:18.260 them prep for, well, being financially stable as an adult. And it also means in terms of your own

00:00:25.380 decisions, I think for a lot of us, we will be in a post-job world. What do you think, 25 years?

00:00:32.720 Yeah. Well, the future is here. It's just not evenly distributed. I think there are many people

00:00:37.460 now who are losing their jobs and will never get one again, period. And here, when I say job,

00:00:43.280 I mean traditional nine to five, like recurring revenue. Simone, do you want to go into what is

00:00:50.640 causing the end of the concept of a job? And I first note here, for a lot of people who think

00:00:55.200 this is like an insane thing, jobs are a fairly recent invention. They were really only invented

00:01:00.020 as like a mass thing in like the 1920s. And this concept of having a lifelong job and getting a gold

00:01:07.200 watch and having a pension, it was such a short-lived phenomenon. It's hard for me to imagine

00:01:13.240 that, like, how did we ever get that impression that it was going to be that way forever?

00:01:17.680 Yeah. So go into this, Simone.

00:01:20.400 Yeah. So I think already for a long period of time, we've seen a very slow easing into this,

00:01:26.040 and it hasn't just been about AI. And I think that also the way that job reports are coming in,

00:01:31.360 there's a lot of underreporting because obviously they're not reporting people who've stopped looking

00:01:36.320 for a job entirely. And the number of people who are living now by gig work and piecing together a

00:01:41.060 lot of jobs, including short-term jobs, is just so high now. And I don't count those as jobs,

00:01:47.720 and I don't think most people count them as like long-term jobs either because they're not

00:01:51.600 sustainable, they get laid off all the time, or they change jobs all the time.

00:01:56.040 So- I want to elevate something you said here because I think that a lot of people might miss

00:01:59.960 this. And it's what was the economic pressure that led to the concept of a nine-to-five job

00:02:06.340 that stopped existing long before AI? The reason why you had quote-unquote jobs and the skyscrapers

00:02:14.380 that housed these people back in the day is it was largely due to the difficulty of long-distance

00:02:20.160 communication. So if I was a company and I wanted somebody who was competent at X task, okay, and I

00:02:28.820 wanted to be sure I had somebody who was competent at X task this year, and I had somebody who was

00:02:32.860 competent at X task in 10 years or five years or next year, the most cost-efficient way to get one of

00:02:40.600 those people was to source a competent sort of blank slate and train them in that task. Maybe

00:02:48.380 somebody who had a bit of training in that task to begin with. And so the way I would do this is I

00:02:53.200 would go to the most elite universities or the universities in my area as sort of an authentication

00:02:57.140 mechanism. I would find individuals who are graduating and I would say, okay, how well, you know,

00:03:03.060 how well are you, like how smart are you generally? And I can get that from their GPA.

00:03:06.420 Okay. And then I would hire them. And then I would train them up as much as I could for a specific

00:03:11.520 task. And you saw a lot of like rotation programs start for this for like management jobs. You saw

00:03:15.320 a lot of, but, but that was the idea. It was, it was not that these companies cared about people.

00:03:20.280 It was that it was efficient. And this is why you had the goal.

00:03:24.980 Well, and more than that, it was worth it for them to invest in training, which is another

00:03:29.840 clear sign to, I think many people intuitively already that permanent jobs and the stable jobs are gone

00:03:35.600 forever. No one trains anyone anymore. This idea of like apprenticeship and investing in someone's

00:03:40.220 training is just non-existent. People expect you to come out of the box, completely ready to go on

00:03:44.600 day one with absolutely zero support. This isn't totally true. Slow weaving organizations,

00:03:48.920 rotational programs still exist and stuff like that, but they're being phased out.

00:03:52.320 They're totally being phased out. And I feel like they didn't really, they didn't have high efficacy.

00:03:57.420 No, they didn't. So, so this worked because if you were trained in this stuff and you were in most cities,

00:04:06.260 there really wasn't that much mobility you had, you know, you might be able to go work for one other

00:04:11.200 competitor or something like that, but there was a huge reason to stay with the company you were with

00:04:15.440 because of that, but also because of like the pensions and the benefits and stuff like that.

00:04:20.260 They worked into their systems that a lot of the benefits for working in for them required working

00:04:26.440 for them a long time. So they were aligning the interests here. They invest in you, you invest in

00:04:32.840 them. And it was worth it for this company to invest in this person because they could reasonably expect

00:04:37.560 this person to stick around for the duration of their career. Otherwise it didn't make any sense to

00:04:42.860 train someone, which again, like it's, it's not the company's fault, by the way, that they're not

00:04:47.280 training people. People are so flaky. Like it is, it is an active risk to even think about training

00:04:54.040 someone. And then something happened and it wasn't AI. This is where you have the charts and you can

00:04:59.720 watch our video on this, or we go into this a lot more details. What actually happened in, I think it

00:05:02.660 was 1976, where you see all the charts begin to diverge in terms of like income data and everything

00:05:07.740 like that and salary rise and everything. And what it was, was that was the big rise of outsourcing that

00:05:12.560 started. So phones became common and internet became common were the two things that happened.

00:05:19.400 And that meant that if I am a company and I want somebody who is skilled in, let's say accounting.

00:05:25.800 Okay. And I want to, as all companies intrinsically do pay the least I can to get somebody who is

00:05:31.400 broadly competent in this, given that living standards in Africa or India or the Philippines are

00:05:37.900 dramatically less than they are in the United States, I can hire somebody who might do a slightly

00:05:43.520 worse job, might have slightly fewer like connections in the office or be able to connect

00:05:47.820 with people, but I'm paying one 10th when I'm paying somebody in the U S yeah. Why would I pay

00:05:54.380 somebody in the U S when I can pay one 10th of what I'm paying in the U S yeah. Yeah. And this is what

00:06:00.540 led to the collapse of global poverty. This wasn't all bad. If you look at poverty rate worldwide,

00:06:05.060 they begin to collapse like severe poverty rates at the same time as U S salary begins to stagnate.

00:06:10.820 And this happened for a long, long time. This was happening for, but there were still roles that

00:06:16.980 made sense. There was still bureaucratic inertia within the United States and some other countries

00:06:23.020 in the developed world. AI changes that entirely. Yeah. Well, I think first there's, there's a couple

00:06:29.200 of things that happened. And before even AI started happening, just general tech and automation

00:06:33.800 have been progressively changing this over time. It's not like there's a before AI and there's an

00:06:39.180 after AI period. There's a before email and after email there's a before, like all these different

00:06:43.400 types of software and CRMs and automations that enabled people to do the work of many other people.

00:06:50.860 And that that's why also there's sort of this trend you started, I think like beginning in the nineties

00:06:55.440 and then onward, you heard of more and more people being like, I'm now expected to do the job of

00:06:59.880 three people. This is so stressful. So, but not really, cause they had software to support them.

00:07:05.260 It's kind of like how housewives got like dishwashers and refrigerators and clothing washers, 1.00

00:07:12.420 and they were able to basically do all their chores in very little time.

00:07:16.340 All of this happened with the introduction of zoom as well. And that was the other big thing is zoom

00:07:21.120 plus COVID even disintermediated the concept of a corporate environment.

00:07:25.980 But then on top of that, and this really, I think started to shift with Twitter. So only very recently,

00:07:33.720 there was the realization that, oh my gosh, my giant corporation probably has an excess of 60 to 80%

00:07:43.320 of employees. Like I could eliminate all of them thoughtfully that at 60 to 80% and be just as

00:07:51.260 functional, if not a little bit more functional.

00:07:53.540 Yeah, which she's talking about is Twitter slash X, you know, when it axed like, what was it? 98%?

00:07:58.520 I think 80%.

00:07:59.760 80% of its staff, there were all these doomsayers who said, oh, this is going to crash the corporation,

00:08:04.780 but didn't. It functions as well as it ever did now.

00:08:08.240 No, I mean better. Look at Grok, everyone's favorite AI right now.

00:08:11.420 Yeah. It's, yeah, you're right. It is just strictly better than it used to be in every

00:08:15.740 conceivable way. And you realize, and a lot of the corporate world took, took away from this. And

00:08:20.580 we've seen massive firings since then across the corporate world. A lot of people, what were you

00:08:27.280 going to say, Simone? Well, yeah. And, and, and I think Twitter was the one that proved it to people.

00:08:31.920 And that's why the, and the, the firings are taking place in very subtle ways, I think,

00:08:36.240 to sort of reduce alarmism and like news organizations are struggling. So they're doing

00:08:41.340 things like ordering people to come back into the office and making new requirements.

00:08:45.780 Yeah, but that's not because corporate America makes sense anymore. Everybody knows corporate

00:08:49.780 America is pointless. They ask you to come back in so they can fire the ones who don't.

00:08:52.940 Yeah. It's not like people think that office work is exceptional with, with, with, I guess,

00:08:59.240 the exception of some people like Elon Musk could just, but I mean, I can get it with his work,

00:09:04.020 like with Tesla and SpaceX, where you have people in factories, you need people there.

00:09:07.460 So I get it. I mean, the same with hospitals, you can't like have everyone be remote working,

00:09:11.580 but anyway, so all of these things have already happened. I would already as a parent be telling

00:09:16.840 my kids, which is what happens now. So we have this son named Octavian who's old enough to understand

00:09:21.040 money and who wants it. He wants it bad. He's like, I need money. Where can I get money? And like,

00:09:26.600 he knows that we, we work to earn money and therefore pay for his things. So he's like, okay, well you work,

00:09:32.140 I need a job. Where am I going to get a job? I need to go to work. And we're like, no, you're never

00:09:38.000 going to get a job. You have to build your own company. You have to make your own money. You can't

00:09:42.620 go somewhere and get a job and get paid. That is over now. You may see people doing that, but that

00:09:47.820 is the end of an institution that you will never get to participate in, which isn't 100% true.

00:09:52.140 Obviously there are going to be salaried jobs for big organizations always, but I just don't.

00:09:57.560 I think you might be, and I think a lot of people might be shocked by how rare they become.

00:10:02.260 Well, not just rare, but like a kind of a form. I don't, it sounds wrong to say this,

00:10:07.020 but kind of a form of slavery, kind of where you're just living paycheck to paycheck. You're

00:10:11.360 in debt. You don't have stable income. You're, you're being jerked around. It's, it's, you're,

00:10:16.780 you're not happy. You're stressed out. It's, I think it's just going to get progressively worse

00:10:20.500 in most cases. This is like the old factory towns where, you know, if people remember this was,

00:10:25.480 you know, during the time of slavery in the South and stuff like that in the North,

00:10:28.280 you had the factories where you'd have big lines of people waiting to get a job. And if you didn't

00:10:32.440 accept the abuse, if you didn't accept the poor standards, they're just like, here's the line,

00:10:36.740 like they would keep it there. So you could see one of these people will take your job for less

00:10:40.580 because look, they're all starving. And, and when you have access to anyone in the world to,

00:10:44.420 to replace people, that was originally the thing, but with AI, what really needs to be emphasized

00:10:49.220 is look at how advanced the people I know who complain about AI and are like, it's really not

00:10:55.420 that good at thinking. It's really not that good at, these are people who have not interacted with

00:11:00.060 AI recently. They're, they're generally like, I tried it when it came out two years ago. And I'm

00:11:04.940 like, then try it again. Try Croc again. Try Claude again. The paid models, the good models.

00:11:11.420 And what, what are these people even enter? They're just like, I imagine they're just doing things like,

00:11:15.960 make me a sandwich or something. And the AI is like, well, I can't do that.

00:11:20.440 Yeah. They're not like, here's my taxes. Do them for me.

00:11:23.180 Yeah. Do my taxes. Sir, sir.

00:11:26.360 Well, no, it's not far from a lot of that stuff. You know, we use it for that all the time.

00:11:30.720 Yeah. I think, Hey, we need to write an executive order for the president. Can you draft one for me

00:11:35.860 on this topic? Hey, I need to write a, you know, like to help me with taxes all the time. It's

00:11:41.460 actually, it's incredible with anything sort of tax or government or statute related,

00:11:45.720 because it can translate government ease into human, which is really helpful.

00:11:51.160 Or you go to something like, I can go to Croc and I went to Croc today and I was like,

00:11:54.380 what episodes would listeners of based camp with Malcolm and Simone likely like to have an

00:11:58.820 answer on? And it'll give me like great suggestions. Like, you know, this is absolute or perplexity.

00:12:05.920 You know, we use a ton with our shows instead of hiring like a researcher, I'm just like,

00:12:09.340 give me links to everything on this particular subject. Like, or the art that we use in our title

00:12:14.720 cards. That's somebody who we might have outsourced to in the past. And yet every one of them is done

00:12:19.000 with an AI or multiple AI, sometimes multiple AI. So we, you know, to use AI, well, you really need

00:12:24.840 to know all the systems for a specific task. So it should go without saying that basically

00:12:28.400 AGI is well on its way. And though historically for the past, at least 20 years, we have been seeing

00:12:35.740 the downfall of the job as technology has made more and more human action obsolete.

00:12:41.100 Now, even the most elite human action is going to swiftly become obsolete. And if you ask AI about

00:12:47.060 it, AI is even going to vastly understate how much AGI is going to take over human jobs. For example,

00:12:54.640 if you ask, and I asked, I asked ChatGPT, I asked Claude, I asked Brock, and I asked Perplexity,

00:12:59.920 all about what they thought, you know, that the only human jobs would be, or like the remaining

00:13:05.340 areas where humans could actually have successful companies and do successful work vis-a-vis AI.

00:13:11.860 And they're like, oh, well, I think that things like counseling and therapy and the creative arts 0.97

00:13:17.760 are things that really only humans can do bullshit. You know, the most popular chat companion on most 0.89

00:13:26.340 of the AI chat sites, it's a therapist. Yeah. And everyone loves it a lot more than human therapists.

00:13:32.600 And what is like, what is the first thing that really nailed AI was, was, was art. Like it was.

00:13:40.300 And I love this complaint when people are like, AI is just give like the, the, the, the most average

00:13:45.720 answer possible because they're token predictors. And I'm like, is that not what you want? Like

00:13:50.260 from a therapist, do I not want the average of what all therapists might do?

00:13:54.000 Well, they actually give the most pleasing. And I don't know if it was Scott Alexander or someone

00:13:57.680 else. I think it was Scott Alexander who did some kind of like there, he either had a test or

00:14:01.540 offered a test or took a test that compared famous historical works with AI, basically

00:14:08.400 equivalents of those works. And, and a lot of people basically just weren't able to tell

00:14:12.200 the difference. I was instantly able to tell the difference. And all I had to do was look

00:14:16.260 at the two paintings and think of which one was just a little bit more perfect.

00:14:20.640 Well, hold on. I have another great, there was a great study done on people who said they

00:14:24.740 hated AI art. And it turned out that people who say that they hate AI art when presented

00:14:29.940 with two pieces of art. If they don't know which one was created with AI, persistently

00:14:34.440 choose the AI art over the non AI art.

00:14:36.800 Of course. Because when you compare, you know, a piece side by side.

00:14:39.640 People are just willfully ignorant is really the point. They have this belief that the world 0.74

00:14:44.640 isn't changing that much or that things can't really change that much or that technology can't

00:14:49.480 be that good. And it's just a, it's, it's weird. It's almost like the opposite of like

00:14:54.280 a Luddite perspective. It's like, I don't engage with the world perspective. And it's,

00:14:59.920 it's bizarre to me, but those of us who have kids and we really do need to think about our

00:15:04.080 kids and like how we're raising them. We need to accept that this is the reality for them

00:15:08.640 and that AIs are going to be better than humans at most tasks.

00:15:13.720 And so as they think about like, what does it mean to educate myself? The very last thing

00:15:22.040 you want to be as a human today is somebody who is outputting the average answer.

00:15:26.400 Yeah. Being a mediocre and generally good at, at things is really bad.

00:15:32.780 Yeah. Actually, I think I took notes here. Grok put it best. Let me pull up what

00:15:37.640 Grok said as a general overview. Humans will still hold an edge in areas rooted in emotional

00:15:45.380 connection, physical presence, cultural nuance, and subjective experience. It, it thinks basically

00:15:51.520 that a lot of areas. No, it's not. It's not. He, Grok wrote niche is king. AI will dominate mass

00:15:59.900 markets. So focus on small, passionate audiences willing to pay for human expertise or connection,

00:16:04.800 use AIs, obviously the whole time to do this, build relationships and start early.

00:16:09.460 So the general conclusion that I came after talking with the four major AIs in my view and

00:16:15.620 getting their insights and where they think that humans really matter is what, here's what I think

00:16:20.100 we should do with our kids. And you can critique what I think we should do. So one, our kids need

00:16:24.880 to grow up AI native. Their friends should be AI. They need to use AI to solve every problem that's out

00:16:29.360 there. Like everything they do leans on AI. They grew up with AI. They are integrated with AI.

00:16:33.980 Right. The other thing is, and this is sort of on the other end of that spectrum.

00:16:38.740 I really want them to apprentice with a contractor or fixer or plumber or electrician or pest control

00:16:46.600 person, like to learn physical problem solving and get used to that because that is, that is going

00:16:52.680 to be a really important component later on in the career, whether or not they just want to fall back

00:16:57.340 on like being a pest control person or an electrician, because to, to the point of AI, actually that,

00:17:02.380 that is going to be an area where like, there's still going to be jobs forever when you can start

00:17:07.100 your own business to do that. So that's really important. Find that person to apprentice with

00:17:10.740 and help them out like for free. And that's a key part of your education. Then from an early age,

00:17:16.120 and I'm so glad our kids are so thirsty for like online presence. You need to build a strong public

00:17:22.000 online presence and a clear character that could plausibly jump into and make sense in a lot of

00:17:28.720 different niches. So like you should be online. You should be well-documented. You should be in

00:17:35.080 exchanging content, doing like appearances with other people on lots of different platforms,

00:17:40.580 and then build a strong personal network with other high agency people who are doing the same thing,

00:17:46.060 because this is the key to your, any entrepreneurial thing you do taking off. Because in the end,

00:17:52.320 people are only going to work with humans because those humans have cachet because those humans have

00:17:59.740 recommendations because there's something special about them. AI is going to do everything better.

00:18:04.220 So the only reason they're working with you is because you're a celebrity in your niche. And so you have

00:18:07.880 to be lumpy and weird. And then also be the one to start the parties in your networks. Like,

00:18:12.980 so be the one to convene vacations and events and things like that. Because one of the areas where AI

00:18:18.560 did point out humans could do fairly well is in human gatherings and events and like sort of

00:18:24.700 cultural things. So you could just be an event organizer. You could be a retreat organizer. You could

00:18:29.100 become someone who organizes these communities that people still pay money to be a part of because

00:18:35.380 they need to feel that connection. And again, it could be like really nerdy stuff. Like I watched this

00:18:41.280 one YouTuber who just reviews conventions and there are so many niche conventions, like for

00:18:47.720 some specific subgenre of like fantasy romance where they have like balls and workshops and,

00:18:55.540 but there's like people make money off this, right? So you can own that niche, but you have to build up

00:18:59.760 a reputation to do so. And then I think the most important thing, and this will probably manifest in

00:19:04.620 a lot of different businesses that our kids will create throughout their careers as entrepreneurs.

00:19:08.340 So they're basically going to create micro company after micro company, after micro company

00:19:12.100 is learn how to physically build something that people might want made for them by a human.

00:19:18.200 So it could be, I think Grok gave the example of vegan leather shoemakers for cyclists,

00:19:23.220 this is an example. But I was also thinking like custom drones, custom home security systems,

00:19:29.740 bespoke AI companions, like sort of giving the right prompts and like, then like literally crafting

00:19:35.480 the actual robotic companion, doing karma.

00:19:38.740 Wait, should they make the AI girlfriends that replace everybody? 0.99

00:19:41.940 Yeah. Like literally like make AI girlfriends, make AI caretakers, like being someone who custom

00:19:46.120 mods them and like does the same with drones.

00:19:48.460 Well, no, I think that's going to be a thing is people who make AIs that are then like in the

00:19:53.140 same way you have like VTuber creators now who are like good VTuber designers.

00:19:57.160 They're going to be good designers of AI celebrities.

00:19:59.740 Well, yeah. And people like, maybe everyone's going to have an AI slap drone, but like some

00:20:04.500 people are going to have a pink AI slap drone that holds a parasol for them and speaks in

00:20:08.940 a British accent. Like who's going to do that? Sorry. People will come to that person or like,

00:20:15.300 I think there's also going to be a lot of interest in like, girl, girl, what are you doing?

00:20:22.180 I think there's also going to be a lot of interest in, and the AI agreed with me on this,

00:20:26.260 in like historical ways of building houses and furniture and clothing and even fabrics,

00:20:33.980 like artisan fabric making even now. So the, the most, the people who are most excited about

00:20:39.160 Lore Piana, for example, which is sort of the, if you know, you know, fancy person brand,

00:20:44.460 like they're not, they're not buying like Louis Vuitton or Chanel or anything. It's, it's Lore

00:20:48.220 Piana. It's, and it's because they're kind of obsessed with this like artisan fiber material

00:20:53.120 sourcing and then weaving together. And it's like, Oh, well, the material and the artisan.

00:20:57.340 And like, I think in the future, it's going to become the niche version of that. You are having

00:21:04.160 a, a niche celebrity do it. So a niche celebrity tattoo artist, a niche celebrity, whatever. And so

00:21:09.960 I want our kids, that's why it's really important that they both get really good with AI and build a

00:21:14.420 strong public persona and network, but also really learn physical problem solving early on

00:21:21.020 and are really comfortable with robotics, with electronics, with things like that.

00:21:25.580 We already have like AI toys for our kids.

00:21:27.820 We do, but our kids aren't yet old enough to like apprentice, for example, with John,

00:21:32.060 who I think it'd be amazing for them to apprentice with because John does, John is,

00:21:35.740 John is our neighbor and also like basically family to us. And he has a business.

00:21:40.420 Yeah.

00:21:41.080 Yeah. He has a business that does all sorts of things from like landscaping to hardscaping to

00:21:45.520 tree management and like fixing things in homes and all sorts of things like that. And oh my gosh,

00:21:49.640 to get our kids exposed to that would be so helpful because you have to learn those skills.

00:21:54.560 There's one other element of this that I think will be for some of our kids' lumpy interests,

00:21:58.760 which is STEM. And I think it was Claude pointed out to me that one thing that AGI will be unleashing

00:22:06.540 is whole new scientific fields and new discoveries that, that smart and entrepreneurial people can act on

00:22:15.360 in ways that AI just kind of in isolation, maybe can't necessarily, because you really need to connect

00:22:21.620 breakthrough technology with high agency people who make it a thing, right? Like if there's some-

00:22:27.820 We changed the Collins Institute to breaking out all human knowledge. And instead of having,

00:22:31.860 we used to have multiple choice-based tests to pass a skill. Now it's a Socratic AI tutor.

00:22:36.080 Yeah.

00:22:36.300 That you can do in Socratic mode or to test you.

00:22:39.380 So let's say that, you know, AGI discovers some amazing new therapeutic. Well, if our kid

00:22:45.620 also then is really well connected with, you know, great investors and other scientists and things

00:22:51.160 like that, they can start to market and sell customized versions of this therapeutic to other

00:22:58.080 people within the network. I don't care at this point if it's like regulated or not, because that's

00:23:01.880 not going to matter in the future. You know, like what catch me, like you're going to have

00:23:06.000 basically, because we, we also know that AGI is, it's going to create a very, very, very wealthy

00:23:13.640 0.0001%. And then everyone else who's basically, and we need to be popular within that wealthy

00:23:19.380 network. That's the other thing is being a type of person. If what you're selling to the 0.0001%

00:23:25.120 is illegal because they're richer than crisis, it just doesn't matter. Like they have ways of hiding

00:23:30.420 that. And so will you using AI. Sure. What, what am I missing?

00:23:36.300 No, I, I largely agree with everything you're saying there, to be honest. I think, you know,

00:23:40.980 building community that people want to be affiliated with is really, really important in where we're

00:23:46.820 going and focusing on community in terms of how you're selling, in terms of how you're thinking

00:23:52.440 about, you know, with our kids, what's going to be important for them is in the previous generation,

00:23:58.420 you could just go to an elite school like you and I did Stanford and Cambridge. And then there

00:24:02.440 were certain networks that you were like automatically in. That's not going to be true

00:24:06.660 for this next generation. That means these people who I think are investing in these Harvard degrees

00:24:11.800 and stuff. Now they're not going to matter as much as they did historically at all. They might even be

00:24:17.640 seen as a negative in a lot of communities because they're seen as, you know, trying to split the

00:24:22.080 difference and, and, and potentially invalidating of an individual. And I think that a lot of people,

00:24:26.200 that's something that is, is not being accounted for as much, um, in people who are now like,

00:24:32.060 yeah, but it's better to get the Harvard degree to be safe. I'm like, you don't know if in 20 years

00:24:38.260 that will be seen as a strict negative within positions of power within our society. There's

00:24:42.800 already a lot of suspicion around stuff like that. I would not be surprised if I'm talking about the

00:24:48.280 next generation. Now I'm not, not this generation. I think on the margin, if you've gotten in,

00:24:52.660 it's probably worth it, but for the next generation, I'd say my best guess is it's probably going to

00:24:58.860 hurt your career prospects if you could have gotten in and that you're much better off on

00:25:03.180 focus on building community eyes was in online environments or social networks.

00:25:07.060 I think it might be more of a liability because the people scrutinizing you are going to ask,

00:25:14.600 didn't you have something better to do like with AGI and even with AI as it is today,

00:25:20.880 this idea that you would slow down your life by three to four years to just like a passport stamped.

00:25:30.500 Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's suspicious and it implies a lack of drive alive, a lack of ingenuity,

00:25:37.460 a lack of being willing to take initiative and try and build something yourself. And, and for that

00:25:44.120 reason, I would view it with suspicion in the near future. I get why people do it now because we

00:25:50.720 still live in this very brackish world where some people are already fully steeped in the future,

00:25:55.780 but many people still are living by the old rules and, and you still in those communities and those

00:26:02.640 spots of water have to play by those rules.

00:26:05.320 Well, somebody will say something like when they look at the college institute, they'll be like, well,

00:26:09.420 okay, it may be in every conceivable way better than a traditional education at this point.

00:26:13.200 I love people like, why aren't your kids going yet? They can't read yet. Okay.

00:26:15.940 We're building a college institute version 2.0. That'll have a part of it for kids who can't

00:26:20.360 read yet. That'll do voice with AI and everything like that. That'll be there eventually. It's not

00:26:23.480 there yet. But my gosh, is it a school for kids who can't read good, but want to?

00:26:28.460 Yes. But the, the version of better in every conceivable way, except people will say, well,

00:26:34.220 what if the kid doesn't have self-motivation, you know, doesn't, doesn't have the ability to drive

00:26:39.160 income from the court? Well, then they can just sit back and rot with their AI girlfriend forever. 0.99

00:26:44.780 Yeah. I was like, that's the core thing you are responsible for teaching and imparting to them

00:26:49.260 and the parents. No. And school, the traditional school system isn't going to impart that. If their

00:26:55.240 motivation is just, oh, well, I'll get in trouble if I don't do this, that's not going to exist when

00:27:00.400 they graduate. Nope. Cause you'll just take your UBI and go, you know, die in the woods.

00:27:08.680 Yeah. I'm not, I'm really concerned about UBI. I'm really.

00:27:13.080 Well, I want to do an episode on this particular topic because I've looked at how UBI has destroyed

00:27:17.840 communities that have gotten it intergenerationally. And we have examples of this and things like

00:27:21.200 American, Native American communities and wherever it's happened intergenerationally, the community

00:27:25.820 has just rotted. We're talking, you know, only one in four people is employed.

00:27:31.100 I mean, hell, we can't trust fund kids. Like the way that the, the percentage of them

00:27:35.440 shout, we didn't even need to look at the disadvantaged communities because everyone's

00:27:40.180 always going to argue, well, oh, but they were facing systemic disadvantages. No, look at,

00:27:44.820 look at the people who descended from arguably the best privilege, every advantage, all the money,

00:27:52.280 all the connections. And I have a lot of friends in this, a lot of them ended up nobodies.

00:27:55.820 Like the majority ended up nobodies because they expected that it would continue and, and not

00:28:01.420 just nobody.

00:28:01.820 Well, no, no, no. I think especially those, especially those who had no forcing function

00:28:06.520 to try. I would argue that those who were not given the luxury of living off a trust fund

00:28:14.960 on average turned out pretty okay.

00:28:18.320 That's true.

00:28:19.140 It's the ones who had the trust fund that washed out.

00:28:21.560 The, the ones, yeah. And the, or the ones whose parents like fucked up at some point 0.93

00:28:26.060 and lost all the money.

00:28:26.960 That's why I loved your family tradition, basically like sort of unspoken family tradition of like,

00:28:31.080 oh, are you not doing well? Well, don't come home.

00:28:33.680 Yeah. Like we don't help the ones who don't do well. Like, no, but it actually is really

00:28:38.280 important. And we see this among our network. If I, I look at like, what's typically the profile

00:28:42.600 of someone who's like actually super successful. They're typically from a family that was super

00:28:47.240 successful, but then lost all their money or something else like that. Or for whatever reason,

00:28:51.800 disown them or something like that. That's the general, like Elon, right? Like Elon's dad was

00:28:56.760 fairly successful, but he never really got any benefits from that because his dad is such a skeezy 0.99

00:29:01.400 person. Am I allowed to say that his dad is a skeezy person? Like generally accepted.

00:29:06.220 Marrying your stepdaughter puts you into skeezy territory. Yeah. Yeah. 0.98

00:29:12.120 But yeah. But I think that that, you know, hugely, if his dad had actually owned like emerald

00:29:17.220 mines that he could have milked, he probably wouldn't have ended up anywhere near as successful

00:29:21.620 as he is. And- He didn't have as much motivation. Yeah.

00:29:25.300 Yeah. And this isn't just a US thing. I'm thinking about like the friends we have who are like

00:29:29.040 successful in Latin America, the friends we have who are successful in Asia. It's a very similar

00:29:33.280 pattern in this existing economic system. And I think that this pattern will reinforce itself in the

00:29:38.320 next economic system. There is nothing worse that you can give someone than a safety net.

00:29:44.240 Yeah.

00:29:45.040 Than financial stability.

00:29:46.300 I mean, yeah, there are exceptions. You know, I think that sometimes there are

00:29:50.820 unforeseen events and acts of God that can throw you back. And I think it's, you know,

00:29:58.020 very case by case in terms of a family deciding to step in or not. And they're absolutely legs up

00:30:04.300 that can make a world of difference for someone. And those, the, those types of advantages really

00:30:09.500 vary. So it depends on the time and the context. So I do think that occasional

00:30:15.280 hands at the back, you know, like spotting hands are good. I just think that a guaranteed spotting hand

00:30:23.220 is, is not good.

00:30:25.120 Yeah.

00:30:25.560 Kind of like when you're rock climbing, you shouldn't feel any slack. I'm sorry. Sorry. You should feel

00:30:31.320 nothing but slack. And if you fall, you're going to fall for a while before the rope catches you.

00:30:37.020 Okay. Okay. I love that. A horrifying example.

00:30:40.320 Well, I really, I hated that when rock climbing, I'd be like, pull up a slack, pull up. Like I basically

00:30:44.020 wanted to feel like someone was literally pulling me up the rock wall I was climbing, you know, like

00:30:49.000 that's the, that's how it feels comfortable. And that's true. Like trust fund kids are just being

00:30:52.720 hoisted up. You're just hanging in midair, just being hoisted up.

00:30:56.080 Well, I mean, that's what happened to people in the DEI networks. That's what was happening

00:30:59.900 with the native American communities for ages.

00:31:01.700 Yeah. So who's going to try, you're not going to climb if someone's hoisting you, that would

00:31:05.780 be stupid. Like people are behaving logically. It's sad. 0.99

00:31:11.480 Well, and how do you, when, when UBI happens, do you tell our kids not to take it?

00:31:16.840 I mean, they'll take it, but they'll invest it in their businesses.

00:31:20.620 Hopefully.

00:31:21.020 Like the idea of using that to support yourself is, is sad, but yeah, we're going to need

00:31:25.680 to invest. We need to like make a maker studio. Like we could maybe put like a little barn.

00:31:32.240 Like I, I, our kids need to get used to building artisanal physical objects really early on and

00:31:40.060 find weird enthusiast communities that get excited about them.

00:31:43.620 If you're watching this by the way, and you have kids around our kids age, you're even, you

00:31:48.120 know, you're planning to have kids in the near future and you want to be on our email

00:31:50.320 list for like parents to do like get togethers and stuff like that. Cause we're going to

00:31:53.620 do eventually yearly, like summer camps and stuff to build, you know, collective culture

00:31:58.760 networks and stuff like that. Let us know. And we can help you on those fronts.

00:32:04.580 Indeed. Yeah.

00:32:05.720 I love you to death, Simone. What am I doing for dinner tonight?

00:32:10.240 Per your request, we are doing more of the chicken curry with garlic naan, but what type

00:32:17.100 of curry is this?

00:32:18.460 Lol. Hold on. Moss. See, it was, it was a lamb dish, but then we made it with chicken.

00:32:25.620 Hold on.

00:32:26.040 Oh, well let's throw in more of the, yeah. Like that super red spice. 0.73

00:32:31.020 I put it in a bit of chili oil.

00:32:33.060 Moss. L-A-A-L-M-A-A-S. Lol Moss.

00:32:37.080 Lol Moss. Okay. Well I'd put in some chili oil.

00:32:39.960 It's Rajasthani mutton curry known for its fiery red color and rich flavors.

00:32:46.100 Some chili oil. Okay. Do you know where the chili oil is?

00:32:49.840 I thought that you, that gave you digestive discomfort.

00:32:53.480 It might. We'll see.

00:32:54.980 Oh boy.

00:32:55.880 Chili oil and we'll try. No, and I note, I didn't.

00:32:58.640 So not the red chili powder. You want chili oil instead.

00:33:01.100 I didn't say the, the spicy sauce, the tampon sauce or whatever it's called, but chili oil,

00:33:06.380 just labeled chili oil. It's like a red oil. So a little bit.

00:33:09.820 With like a yellow and blue label.

00:33:12.660 No, that's the tampon sauce.

00:33:15.060 That's a specific flavor that I think is what's calling the digestive problems.

00:33:19.460 Chili oil is a generic oil.

00:33:22.980 All right. Well, so chili oil and a,

00:33:25.680 You sure you want me to just put in the red powder?

00:33:28.100 It's super spicy.

00:33:28.760 Chili oil and a bit of the red powder, but not a ton of the red powder.

00:33:32.280 Jesus. All right. Good luck, friend.

00:33:35.000 Have fun storming the castle. I love you.

00:33:38.920 Storming the castle. What are you talking about?

00:33:41.220 Our kids, by the way, are rolling down the hill over and over again right now.

00:33:44.560 On their little scooters?

00:33:45.940 On their scooters?

00:33:46.640 Are they wearing their helmets?

00:33:47.300 Yeah, they're wearing their helmets.

00:33:50.000 This is good.

00:33:51.360 Because they go fast. We've got a hill by our house. It's like paved.

00:33:54.580 And I remember seeing them the first time. I was like, they're going to die.

00:33:57.920 They do not have any fear at all about going.

00:34:01.340 This is how they learn fear.

00:34:03.080 Yeah, I remember the first time I learned not to play it too fast and loose on my bike because I was leaning into turns.

00:34:11.180 Oh, I don't want to hear about this, but I will tell you this, Simone.

00:34:13.940 Yeah.

00:34:14.120 They won't learn. You think an injury is going to teach these kids anything?

00:34:17.360 I don't know. When you scrape off half of your skin. 0.99

00:34:19.480 Yeah, yeah. It's quiet.

00:34:22.640 You'll learn.

00:34:23.560 You'll learn. You'll learn. I need to get better bandages for that. I need to prepare.

00:34:28.900 We had this like, you want that plastic kind that goes over the open wound.

00:34:35.720 Are we going to, when do I need to start taking them into the woods more?

00:34:39.200 They already found it very formative. Remember Octavia?

00:34:42.920 After the swamp marigolds come out, I would say.

00:34:46.520 Oh yeah, that's a great time. We can actually go to like the deep swamp area and I could let them out one night for like a witch day. 0.99

00:34:53.180 Where is that hiking trail that has the witch swamp?

00:34:56.620 When we were walking, oh no, it's right by Pauling's farm.

00:34:59.540 Yeah.

00:35:00.060 The witch swamp.

00:35:01.720 It looks really creepy. Like legit creepy.

00:35:04.680 Should I, should I have them go give them like high boots and stuff and go explore the witch swamp? 1.00

00:35:09.480 Oh God.

00:35:10.500 Octavian, remember I took him in the woods and he made drawings of it for a while of like, remember he was like, oh.

00:35:15.680 Oh yeah, this is me going to the woods with daddy.

00:35:18.880 Yeah.

00:35:19.340 But then there were those instances of Octavian deciding he was finished before the family was.

00:35:25.640 And him just disappearing on you.

00:35:28.820 And I would be so confused.

00:35:30.540 Like Octavian comes home and I'm like, where's Torsten? Where's Titan? Where's daddy?

00:35:33.880 He ran home while I was in the woods and I was panicking trying to find him.

00:35:36.660 Yeah, you're out there like looking for him and he's home just chilling, helping me make dinner.

00:35:43.380 Oh well.

00:35:43.820 Like daddy said it's okay. I did not say it's okay.

00:35:49.900 A little nugget. I love him though.

00:35:53.220 Clearly, this is the thing. We get in trouble for barely beating our children.

00:35:57.140 And I think the problem is, I just don't beat them severely enough.

00:36:00.760 Gotta beat them.

00:36:02.240 It's true.

00:36:03.580 They are too carefree. Look at this.

00:36:07.180 They don't even know about injury yet.

00:36:10.040 I'm glad they're enjoying themselves.

00:36:11.440 None of them have gotten seriously injured even once. It's kind of surprising.

00:36:14.480 It's a huge relief. I really don't want them to get hurt.

00:36:16.600 Yeah, I don't want to deal with that. But, you know, I don't want to raise pussies. 1.00

00:36:22.900 They'll figure it out. 0.98

00:36:24.800 At any rate, I will go start your dinner and I love you very much as it happens.

00:36:28.800 Love you too. Have a good one, Simone.

00:36:31.220 Bye, Malcolm.

00:36:32.440 Bye.

00:36:33.180 God, Reddit's become such a cesspit every time.

00:36:36.200 I had tried to prep a video. This is actually really interesting.

00:36:39.280 I wanted to learn about, like, people who are doing, like, VR dating and everything like that.

00:36:44.020 Like, what are their relationships like?

00:36:45.480 Like, with their AI boyfriends and girlfriends? 0.98

00:36:48.100 Well, no, no. Real people, but through virtual reality.

00:36:51.460 And the stories were all...

00:36:53.580 Because, you know, there's these, like, virtual reality, like, chat rooms and stuff now that remind me a lot of...

00:36:58.960 Like, are you in an avatar?

00:37:00.600 Yeah, you're in an avatar.

00:37:01.800 Okay.

00:37:02.600 Like, as a furry or whatever.

00:37:04.100 But, like, the communities in them seem to be dramatically less interesting or diverse than the ones that existed within Second Life.

00:37:11.340 And the stories of the merges that come out of them are just, like, super boring.

00:37:14.620 Which I was really surprised by.

00:37:16.340 I thought there would be more there.

00:37:18.520 Right?

00:37:19.220 That's odd, isn't it?

00:37:21.860 I don't know what to make of that.

00:37:24.900 Whatever.

00:37:25.520 Oh, no.

00:37:26.060 People are getting their jobs back?

00:37:27.620 What?

00:37:28.080 This is on RFED News.

00:37:29.300 It's top posted.

00:37:30.060 I was reinstated at the NIH.

00:37:31.760 Which, their illegal probationary firing was ended.

00:37:34.700 Thousands of people were rehired due to a judge.

00:37:39.940 So, we've got to see.

00:37:40.940 You know, the fight will continue.

00:37:43.060 They'll do what they need to do.

00:37:45.500 It will happen.

00:37:47.720 Let's hope.

00:37:48.500 Let's hope.

00:37:49.140 I know.

00:37:49.900 Having learned that the Clinton administration also had a doge-like effort. 0.94

00:37:55.460 And that they just went through the proper channels.

00:37:58.300 And, I mean, it took them eight years.

00:37:59.880 But they still did it.

00:38:00.800 Part of me is a little regretful of the timeline that Doge has.

00:38:06.180 You know, they did not give themselves a lot of time.

00:38:09.800 Until 2026.

00:38:11.800 They're kind of like, well.

00:38:14.040 We'll see.

00:38:14.840 We'll see, Malcolm.

00:38:15.660 It's all good.

00:38:17.280 Okay.

00:38:17.780 So, what did you want to tell the subscribers?

00:38:19.780 I'm a dad's subscribers.

00:38:22.560 If you can subscribe to the channel.

00:38:26.040 Then, I'm a.

00:38:27.000 And press the like button.

00:38:29.160 Then, I'm a.

00:38:30.060 If you want kids.

00:38:31.780 Then, I'm a.

00:38:33.020 We are.

00:38:33.880 Then, we are going to send it.

00:38:35.660 Like, Minecraft.

00:38:37.300 To your, like, I'm a phone.

00:38:39.180 So, your kids can watch, like, the video of Deja and Mikey.

00:38:45.020 Like, turn into a vampire videos.

00:38:47.360 All the time if you want.

00:38:49.040 Like, other videos with Cracky.

00:38:51.380 Or, like, I'm.

00:38:53.500 Minecraft.

00:38:54.480 Minecraft.

00:38:55.240 I play Minecraft.

00:38:56.380 And, also, if you want to play Minecraft.

00:38:59.240 Also, they came in Mikey's video.

00:39:01.280 Right there.

00:39:02.160 Okay?

00:39:03.080 Okay.

00:39:03.500 And, um.

00:39:04.360 Will you send them a kid if they want kids? 0.58

00:39:06.900 Mm-hmm.

00:39:07.800 Also, they say in Mikey's Minecraft videos.

00:39:11.140 I know.

00:39:11.600 I know.

00:39:12.120 I'm going to be recording.

00:39:13.600 I see.

00:39:14.300 And, also, I'll let that.

00:39:16.300 Like and subscribe is.

00:39:18.180 Like, I like and subscribe to somebody's channel, too.

00:39:21.860 And, I got so happy that I with them.

00:39:26.540 Do you think that they'll get happy if they like and subscribe to our channel?

00:39:29.720 Yeah.

00:39:30.340 Yeah.

00:39:30.680 Yeah.

00:39:31.440 Okay.

Based Camp - May 29, 2025

AI Killed Job Security： How to Survive in a Post-AI Workforce

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