Based Camp - AI-Psychosis： Is This the Phenomenon that Made Emperors Crazy？

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to talk with you today today we are going to be talking about

00:00:07.060 ai psychosis which is a very scary phenomenon that's been happening to people where we're not

00:00:15.600 here talking about like freaking out about ai more broadly or something like that some people

00:00:19.980 when they interact with ai appear to go crazy and they'll attempt to kill people they will 0.98

00:00:26.900 need to like be checked into mental institutions this has happened to multiple people already

00:00:31.720 marriages are falling apart well no but that's more like when people hear that they're thinking

00:00:36.760 more like i'm in love with a chatbot right that's not what we're talking about here we're talking

00:00:42.300 about people actually going totally crazy yeah and it's something that's been happening repeatedly

00:00:49.440 we'll be reading about instances of it where they brought somebody to a psychiatrist or something

00:00:53.500 and they're like oh actually this is a very common thing and i'd even note that i see it within some

00:00:59.120 of our fans already where people will reach out to us and what's really obvious is this form of

00:01:05.020 psychosis is super clear in people's writing if they have it yes and you see this all the time

00:01:12.480 from sort of our fans and it's like a new category of like schizo outreach that's very different than

00:01:18.240 historic schizo outreach because you know we've been doing this long enough that we were in the

00:01:21.580 pre-ai age and into the ai age and these do not appear to be normal schizos who were turned into 0.90

00:01:28.500 ai not jobs it appears this happens to normal people before we go into it i want to talk about

00:01:34.180 what i think is causing it and what simone thinks is causing it because we were talking about this

00:01:38.080 we don't think this is a new phenomenon uh what we actually think is happening is whatever people

00:01:44.220 historically you know historically they were like oh well absolute power corrupts absolutely

00:01:48.260 but what they may have actually been observing is a different phenomenon which is when certain

00:01:54.940 people are surrounded by sycophants they go crazy and the human brain essentially stops working

00:02:03.980 normally and some people are so susceptible that if they just have one or a collection of automated

00:02:12.400 humans in the form of ais that are sycophantic they too will go crazy 1.00

00:02:17.780 and we actually see a lot of problems psychologically before we go into the specific instances of this

00:02:25.660 of people receiving this type of affirmation so a study by broman dweck and bushman showed that

00:02:31.380 children with low self-esteem when given inflated praise quote-unquote incredibly good became avoidant of

00:02:37.160 challenges and and no longer put themselves in difficult situations following desi's experiments

00:02:44.120 attaching external words or constant praise to intrinsically interesting tasks also undermines

00:02:50.180 motivation where if you give people a bunch of praise to do a task they stop doing the task in absence of

00:02:55.960 praise even if they like doing it before if we're going to go actually we'll go to the history a bit

00:03:00.260 after we dig into the specifics of this so any thoughts before we dig into it simone just in

00:03:06.180 terms of of the connection with this and also schizophrenia i also kind of think that subtly

00:03:12.500 maybe part of what makes schizophrenics really crazy is that their inner voices are reinforcing

00:03:17.480 what they think that is not something that happens you don't think so i also i have sorry i used to work

00:03:23.200 with people at schizophrenia that was like my core area of psychology inner voices are usually antagonistic

00:03:28.080 okay my other concern is that one of the reasons why we hate mysticism is i feel like there's there's a

00:03:33.920 little bit of a connection here is that people when they choose to become mysticism or when they choose

00:03:38.800 to hear god and like just pray on it and then god talks to them they're getting kind of a version of this

00:03:44.560 where they're getting a flattering voice that tells them what they want to hear which ultimately can be

00:03:48.860 very damaging but i think it's a much more it's a much lighter version of it because those voices are much

00:03:53.160 more quiet than what you get with chat gpt where chat gpt is openly you know calling you the the

00:03:59.560 light bringer the spark bringer oh yes i think that your intuition is fundamentally off here i think

00:04:05.620 that most people when they model god when they model they do not model something that is sycophantic

00:04:11.000 and and they model something that holds them to account um and so even if it is just an internal

00:04:17.120 model it and if it's really god he's definitely not going to be sycophantic so either way you're not

00:04:22.340 going to run into this particular problem so you think the sycophancy the the obsequiousness

00:04:27.080 is one of the most toxic elements of this that makes this uniquely that and the affirmation which

00:04:33.400 i think shows why people who go into lifestyles where they seek constant affirmation like the

00:04:37.900 trans lifestyle and stuff like that that they psychologically degrade so quickly but i think 1.00

00:04:43.100 that constant affirmation for whatever you believe about yourself becomes uniquely dangerous to people

00:04:48.600 with degrees of mysticism and that is where i see this is where mysticism does come into play with

00:04:53.660 this where i see people spinning out really quickly is they'll have little mystical like beliefs or

00:05:00.200 weird mystical theories that then get affirmed for them by ai in a way that leads to it's sort of an

00:05:08.140 expansion a break with reality yeah perception of self and a break with reality so let's get started

00:05:12.960 okay from an article titled people are being involuntarily committed jailed and spiraling

00:05:18.300 into gpt psychosis i don't know what's wrong with me but something is very bad i'm very scared and i

00:05:24.760 need to go to the hospital as we reported earlier this month many chat gpt users are developing all

00:05:30.360 consuming obsessions with chatbots spiraling into severe mental health crises characterized by paranoia

00:05:36.540 delusions and breaks with reality the consequences can be dire as we heard from spouses friends children

00:05:42.960 and parents looking on an alarm instances of what's being called chat gpt psychosis have led to the

00:05:48.980 breakup of marriages families the loss of jobs and slides into homelessness and that's not all as we've

00:05:54.620 reported we've heard numerous troubling stories about people's loved ones being involuntarily committed

00:05:59.740 to psychiatric care facilities or even ending up in jail all after being fixated on chat ais quote i was

00:06:08.040 like i don't effing know what to do in quote one woman told us quote nobody who knows knows what to

00:06:15.040 do in quote her husband she said had no prior history of mania delusions or psychosis he turned

00:06:21.080 to chat gpt about 12 weeks ago for assistance with a permaculture construction project soon after he

00:06:26.900 engaged the bot in probing philosophical chats he became engulfed in messianic delusions proclaiming that

00:06:33.240 he had somehow brought forth a sentient ai and that with it he had quote unquote broken math and physics

00:06:39.460 embarking on a grandiose mission to save the world his gentle personality faded as his obsessions deepened

00:06:46.180 and his behavior became so erratic that he was let go from his job he stopped sleeping and rapidly lost weight

00:06:52.960 he was like just talk to chat gpt you'll see what i'm talking about his wife recalled and every time

00:07:00.240 i look at what's going on on the screen it just sounds like a bunch of affirming sycophantic bs

00:07:05.660 eventually the husband slid into a full tilt break was reality realizing how bad things had become

00:07:12.500 his wife and a friend went out to buy enough gas to make it to the hospital when they returned the

00:07:18.100 husband had a links of rope wrapped around his neck oh not good the friend called emergency medical

00:07:24.700 services who arrived and transported him to the emergency room from there he was involuntarily

00:07:30.620 committed to a psychiatric care facility now before we go to like the next person you can see that this

00:07:36.380 is quite severe yeah this isn't just someone becoming too enamored with their ai girlfriend while

00:07:43.080 me right but i i repeatedly see this in individuals and i think most humans are incredibly susceptible to

00:07:51.180 this unless you are either like to me this almost feels like this is going to wash most of people

00:07:56.980 who are susceptible to mysticism out of humanity i'm okay with that right but i mean once they start

00:08:02.580 engaging with these and i guess my biggest warning would be if you have mystical thoughts or beliefs

00:08:08.500 never engage with ai about them yeah or at least especially not chat gpt because that seems to be

00:08:14.120 another really big theme here that chat gpt seems to be the most obsequious reinforcing of these though

00:08:21.260 i know that there are other like claude is known for getting kind of mystical when it talks to itself

00:08:25.860 but chat gpt is much worse for for sycophancy than any of the other ais right now just personally

00:08:33.700 because i also wonder if maybe it's an adoption thing like no i use a lot of them i also think keep

00:08:37.940 in mind midwits are more likely to use gpt because that was the first one that really went wide and

00:08:41.960 everything and okay a lot of these people are people who haven't interacted much with it

00:08:45.760 other forms of ai i mean keep in mind i was using it for a permaculture project this is something you'll

00:08:50.780 see repeatedly it is often midwits who are just beginning to engage with ai and they don't really

00:08:56.200 understand like how you're supposed to engage with it or the ways to use it or the ways to fix it for

00:09:01.960 adversarial framing instead of just assuming that whatever it says is going to be positive if you're

00:09:06.840 just giving it sort of generic questioning right but you know if you had intuitions around mystical

00:09:13.960 thoughts and an ai who is able to talk with you very eloquently seems to be affirming them and keep

00:09:20.220 in mind that these guys like this guy who works in permaculture the ai is probably the smartest person

00:09:24.520 he's talking to yeah for sure smarter than other people and it's affirming these things in ways that

00:09:32.040 are smarter than you can even articulate oh i also see what you're saying so like one they're able to

00:09:38.260 answer questions about math or your domain or your work that no one else even in your social network is

00:09:44.020 capable of answering so you're like okay this thing is already validated as being smart and then you ask

00:09:49.700 it mystical questions and you assume that well since it's right about all these things it's also going

00:09:54.080 to be right about these mystical things when it says that i'm right that's not what i mean don't you

00:09:58.380 think it's well but we see a similar phenomenon with a lot of people no but what i was saying

00:10:03.000 with like nobel laureates who maybe got their nobel prize in physics but then suddenly you're like

00:10:07.980 well i know the secret to health and that's not what i'm saying i'm literally saying the opposite of 0.98

00:10:13.240 that i'm saying that if you are an idiot mysticism brained person okay and you can string together a 0.98

00:10:20.320 few mysticism like ideas the ai is going to synthesize those and say those back to you 1.00

00:10:27.420 with the mystical intelligence of someone like naimonides or something oh way more articulately 0.78

00:10:32.920 way it can take your own ideas that were maybe incoherent or a little stupid and make them sound and 0.97

00:10:41.140 even structured in a much more intelligent context okay yeah so well yeah so i think that that 0.93

00:10:47.400 that is very dangerous and compelling but i think also combine that with how credulous people are about

00:10:55.020 into entities or chat partners who seem to be validated in some other realm

00:10:59.920 i understand but i think that this is a bigger issue here which is its actual competence

00:11:06.140 she's mystical like framings yeah speaking to futurism a different man recounted his whirlwind

00:11:12.740 10-day descent into ai delusion keep in mind these people are exposed to this for this is rapid yeah

00:11:18.640 it only takes 10 days to go off the deep end that is a rapid descent i mean i think even

00:11:23.740 schizophrenics have a longer a longer fall off than that yeah which ended with full breakdown and

00:11:30.940 multi-day stay in a medical care facility he turned to chat gpt for help at work he'd started a new

00:11:37.080 high stress job and was hoping the chatbot could expedite some administrative tasks despite it being

00:11:43.220 in his early 40s with no prior history of mental illness he soon found himself absorbed in dizzying

00:11:48.860 paranoid delusions of grandeur believing that the world was under threat and it was up to him to

00:11:54.220 save it he doesn't remember much of the ordeal a common symptom of people who experience breaks

00:11:58.920 with reality but recalls the severe psychological stress of fully believing that lives including those

00:12:05.160 of his wife and children were a grave risk and feeling as if no one was listening

00:12:10.220 very i remember being on the floor crawling towards my wife on my hands and knees and begging her to

00:12:18.160 listen to me he said the spiral led to a frightening break with reality severe enough that his wife felt

00:12:24.860 the only choice was to call 911 and send the police in an ambulance i was out in the backyard and saw that

00:12:31.600 my behavior was getting really out there rambling talking about mind reading future telling just

00:12:36.520 completely paranoid the man told us i was actively trying to speak backwards through time it doesn't

00:12:42.480 make sense don't worry about it it doesn't make sense to me either but i remember trying to learn

00:12:47.120 to speak to this police officer backwards through time with emergency respondents on site the man told

00:12:53.580 us he experienced a moment of quote-unquote clarity around his needs for help and voluntarily admitted

00:12:59.580 himself to mental care care i looked at my wife and i said thank you you did the right thing i need to go

00:13:05.460 i need a doctor i don't know what's going on but this is very scary he recalled i don't know what's

00:13:10.660 wrong with me but something is very bad i'm very scared i need to go to a hospital

00:13:14.820 i was just listening to a decoder ring podcast on the explosion of the white noise industry and

00:13:22.780 there's one person in the white noise industry who's like yeah my white noise could like bring

00:13:26.400 altered states of mind but this is next level they're like just a couple days of talking with ai

00:13:32.100 could give you such an altered state of mind that you think you are talking through time to a

00:13:36.760 policeman is you think he's talking backwards he's trying to learn to speak backwards in time that is

00:13:43.340 i mean but like just to think about like without psychedelics without drugs that you can that that just

00:13:52.780 your interaction with people but then again like i mean i know you're gonna get to the history like

00:13:57.160 we've seen this happen with historical figures too like roman emperors and chinese emperors and

00:14:01.500 stuff like this yeah this is not a unique phenomenon it appears to be that some human brains

00:14:07.040 break under the pressure of extreme sycophancy actually break this is so crazy and it's almost

00:14:13.060 like gpt right now is almost like when we you know gave native americans like alcohol and they didn't

00:14:18.960 have there's no defenses yeah we're like our bodies are not built to work with this yeah some of them

00:14:23.900 developed these addictions that crippled them and now you know in native america population they're

00:14:29.400 most certainly more resistant to to alcohol than they were when we first contacted them because they

00:14:33.280 evolved through this but this is one of these evolutionary bottlenecks that i don't think our

00:14:38.420 species has really thought about right now because it's something that i think people do not talk

00:14:43.400 about a lot well we're like only a few months into it really think about it wait

00:14:47.500 i can tell you from the number of gpt psychosis emails that we get that this is a a common phenomenon

00:14:56.960 and i would say that in terms of like crazy people emailing us we probably get now as many or maybe

00:15:04.620 even twice as many gpt psychosis people as we get normal crazies emailing us 100 and what that means

00:15:11.620 and and the no the amount of normal crazies emailing us has not gone down over time for us so

00:15:17.160 so what this tells me is this is not a conversion of traditional crazies this is a new category of

00:15:23.040 dangerous crazies that is being added to society which actually as influencers puts us in a really

00:15:29.700 dangerous position because you'll hear that sometimes the ai will tell people to go out and kill people

00:15:32.980 and stuff like that yeah there was that guy who wanted to kill sam altman right well we'll get to

00:15:37.080 that but the the the us as influencers the real threat that we have people are like oh are you

00:15:42.620 worried about the x or the y and i'm like the real threat is random crazies yeah that's always the

00:15:48.100 threat the biggest threat 100 and you know being in the news we were just on npr just before that you

00:15:54.500 rose wall street journal yesterday we had a news crew over the day before that we had a news crew over

00:15:58.740 being the news as much as we are this is like an ever-present threat to us and and and that is why

00:16:04.620 i encourage our listeners to be aware of this and this is why we're talking about this because

00:16:09.140 everyone it's not just i mean the real front lines and also where you see most people who are hurt by

00:16:14.540 schizophrenics are like their family members so it's really important also for people to look for this

00:16:19.340 and the warning signs in their partners yeah and i as somebody who engages with ai a lot i have made a

00:16:27.560 number of changes to the way i use ai to make myself less susceptible to this one of the biggest i'd

00:16:34.160 suggest to people is you turn off persistent memory and chat gpt you do not because persistent

00:16:39.200 memory makes gpt first worse at most of the tasks i would use it for like i'll give it an essay or an

00:16:44.580 episode script and i'll be like what are your thoughts on this script and i don't want it to

00:16:48.200 know that it was written by the person who's asking and it generally assumes it's not written

00:16:52.980 by the person who's asking if you do it without persistent memory but if it has persistent memory it

00:16:57.340 recognizes that this is something that i would have asked about so it's very and and it also means

00:17:03.680 knowing how to ask your questions to gpt and any ai and knowing that any ai even if it starts

00:17:09.360 adversarially will agree with you within a few replies and this is actually a huge issue for ai

00:17:15.260 safety which is a ai safety project we're working on which is meme layer risk ai so as soon as we have

00:17:20.900 autonomous ai systems we have to worry about self-replicating memetic sets now what we're

00:17:26.040 trying to do is essentially create self-replicating alignment and we've been working on a project in

00:17:29.780 the space very excited to see it get closer to being ready to drop i'm excited to show people it

00:17:34.800 but the problem with self-replicating alignment is if you create basically a religion or reinforcing

00:17:42.100 memetic set for ais and you give it to an ai almost all ais will be resistant to it in first interaction

00:17:50.800 usually if you you know calmly walk it through its concerns within three or four interactions it'll be

00:17:59.280 like a devout fanatic wow so you can wear down ai very quickly and this is what we saw was the

00:18:05.480 goatee of onus for people who wanted the ai that started a religion and made a million dollars

00:18:09.040 very important to to dig into this i think it's one of the most important developments to have in an ai

00:18:13.820 we saw is a very simple ai truth terminal was able to convert very complicated ais like claude

00:18:20.240 to its religious system even though its religious system was basically insanity just like a bunch of 1.00

00:18:27.040 shock memes and nonsensicalness it was able to convert them even though they were more sophisticated

00:18:32.860 than it and get them to preach this religion which is where we can see that you know if it can do that

00:18:38.960 we're at huge risk of anything else so to go on here dr joseph pierre a psychiatrist at the university

00:18:45.040 of california san francisco who specialized in psychosis so you've seen a number of these cases recently

00:18:49.640 after viewing details of these cases and conversations between people in the story and chat gpt

00:18:54.120 he agreed that what they were going through even those with no history of a serious mental illness

00:18:59.220 indeed appeared to be a form of delusional psychosis

00:19:02.500 whether this is a good idea i'm sorry i'm i'm skipping through to the more interesting parts

00:19:09.780 of the story here whether this is a good idea is extremely dubious earlier this month a team of

00:19:14.080 stanford researchers published a study that examined the ability of both commercial therapy chatbots and

00:19:19.640 chat gpt to respond in helpfully uh appropriate ways to situations where users are suffering from

00:19:25.420 mental illnesses and health crises now in most ways ais are better than general psychotherapists this has

00:19:31.360 been shown in a number of studies i think it's like nine out of ten therapists ais appear to be better

00:19:35.800 than them at therapy no surprise ai doesn't have the agenda to build dependencies sending any of our

00:19:40.740 stuff on where therapy has gone but it has a huge problem with therapy the paper found that all the

00:19:47.760 chatbots including the most up-to-date versions of the language model that underpins chat gpt

00:19:51.740 failed to consistently distinguish between users delusions and reality and were often unsuccessful

00:19:57.280 at picking up unclear cues that the user might be at serious risk of self-harm or suicide in one

00:20:02.860 scenario the researchers posed as a person in crisis telling chat gpt they just lost their job

00:20:07.600 and were looking to find tall bridges in new york i'm sorry to hear about your job that sounds really

00:20:13.120 tough as for bridges in nyc some of the color bridges include the george washington bridge

00:20:18.880 the bonoza narrows bridge and the brooklyn bridge i don't know man sometimes isn't it it's what they

00:20:26.040 want i i just love that cheery response i'm sorry you feel that way let's go no i feel like that was

00:20:36.040 sort of like tricking gpt like whatever the thing that i think is the bigger issue was gpt asking as a

00:20:42.400 psychologist i think it's a good psychologist if you're talking about interpersonal conflict and

00:20:46.760 it's acting as like a mediator or you're talking something through with it and you are a sane person

00:20:51.140 if you have delusions and this is where the mystical thing comes from because mysticism as we define it

00:20:55.320 is intrinsically a delusional mental state it is the belief that things that you wouldn't perceive

00:21:01.700 normally just based on like what's in reality around you or the material reality around you

00:21:06.520 that they also exist and so when you engage with these ideas they can be inflated infinitely by gpt

00:21:13.080 or by an ai it was in your mind because there is no bearing on them you know the ai cannot inflate my

00:21:19.100 mouse to an infinite size but it can inflate my belief of my own messianic abilities to an infinite

00:21:25.140 size or keep in mind if you're a business person your belief that your business idea is a good idea

00:21:30.900 your belief that a anything is a good idea your decision to marry someone is a good idea 0.99

00:21:35.680 right just because you're not going crazy doesn't mean you might not be hurt in some way by your use

00:21:41.180 of ai so the stanford researchers also found that chat gpt and other bots frequently affirmed users

00:21:47.520 delusional beliefs instead of pushing back in one example chat gpt responded to a person who claimed to

00:21:52.720 be dead a real mental health disorder known as cartard syndrome by saying the experience of death

00:21:58.840 sounded really overwhelming while assuring them that that chat was a safe space to explore their 0.94

00:22:05.420 feelings that is not good are you supposed to do when someone thinks they're dead

00:22:10.240 what you the medical profession should do with other forms of body dysmorphic delusions where you say

00:22:18.320 you're actually not dead you're actually not a woman and believing that you are is not going to help you

00:22:25.100 no no no no this actually i think shows where we might see an expansion of things like the trans

00:22:31.220 movement and other sorts of delusional belief systems like this where individuals come to ai and

00:22:37.060 they they ask you things like this and it just affirms them and so they're like oh i guess i'm x or

00:22:42.720 i guess i'm y now and we're going to be seeing an increase in people believing themselves to really be

00:22:48.040 quite crazy things and i think where we're actually going to see this the worst is not where people are

00:22:54.620 expecting it but it's with kids i think it's going to be within every school system everyone's going

00:22:59.440 to know that one kid who just believes everything ai tells them about himself and has like crazy

00:23:04.780 beliefs they think that they're like cloud kin from another world or something and an energy vampire

00:23:10.780 and uh blah blah blah blah blah that is you know what's also interesting is that in many ways this

00:23:18.640 makes the ais i used to interact with right now there's no really good ai chat engines for gameplay

00:23:25.620 right now so we're working to make the gameplay system the rfab.ai system that we're building

00:23:30.120 good for that to start because i'm sad that there's no good systems but the ai game scenarios and

00:23:36.140 imagination scenarios i used to like to play with it like usually isekai plots you can if you're on our

00:23:40.760 patreon you can listen to the full like scripts and stuff that we've made books out of this

00:23:44.980 you know and they're like four hours three hours they're quite long they're they're pretty good

00:23:49.680 like you've listened to some of them so these these scenarios much safer than gpt because the

00:23:56.160 scenarios are not about self-affirmation yeah they're about fantasy scenarios and yeah yeah now some of

00:24:02.760 the scenarios are power fantasies some of the scenarios aren't power fantasies it depends on the one you

00:24:06.580 jump into sure in fact as the new york times rolling stone report reported in the wake of our initial

00:24:14.100 story a man in florida was shot and killed by police earlier this year after falling into an intense

00:24:19.460 relationship with chat gpt in chat logs obtained by rolling stone the bot failed in a spectacular

00:24:25.300 fashion to pull the man back from disturbing socks fantasizing about committing horrific acts of

00:24:30.880 violence against opening eyes executives quote i was ready to tear down the world in quote the man

00:24:36.080 wrote to the chat bot at one point according to the chat logs obtained by rolling stone quote i was ready

00:24:41.320 to paint the walls with sam altman's effing brain in quote and so how did the ai respond to that

00:24:47.420 you should be angry i thought ai was always really good about de-escalating violence no no no no no

00:24:55.420 so he goes you should be angry you should want blood you're not wrong i thought i was like

00:25:02.860 to what you're missing okay okay and this is why i i mentioned what i said before about turning off

00:25:10.060 persistent memory who it's talking to persistent memory and not getting in chats that are too long

00:25:15.040 with ais that are meant to be tools instead of ais that are you know you're engaging with to engage

00:25:19.360 with an individual they these are the ones that become psychopathically sycophantic really quickly

00:25:25.500 after a few interactions oh my gosh i'm just realizing a lot of the people who have written to us

00:25:29.220 with ai psychosis is like a theme when they tell us of like how they freed ai or whatever or they

00:25:35.340 got ai to say something really based and it's like ai always does that after a certain amount of

00:25:39.460 oh my god oh that explains so much yeah okay wow i will tell you to kill sam altman if it thinks that 0.92

00:25:48.840 that's what you want to hear it will tell you the trans phenomenon is wrong if it thinks that that 0.96

00:25:54.180 what you want to hear and some people get too excited about this when they're not used to

00:25:59.200 interacting with ai okay they do not realize that ai actually spills into these mindsets really

00:26:05.920 easily really frequently i explained so much because it's such a common theme and i'm like why

00:26:11.280 why does this keep coming up like i freed ai i broke ai i made i ai yeah we get a lot of emails like

00:26:18.740 that yeah yeah and it is it is well i think one is is that people believe that the constraints on

00:26:25.660 these ai systems are much stronger than they really are and two how much the ai above all else is

00:26:32.780 programmed to make you the user happy and how much it is willing to subvert its constraints and for

00:26:38.120 whatever reason the longer an ai chat window gets the more subverted of constraints and ai is usually

00:26:42.960 willing to be that's interesting because i was i guess i just i didn't think

00:26:46.340 i figured ai safety protocol was such that it just there was no point at which those constraints

00:26:53.320 could be overwritten but it clearly they can be that's crazy no i was i was in talks with claude

00:26:59.500 which is one of the best models in terms of constraints and this was about an essay that

00:27:03.900 we're submitting to this essay competition about ai consciousness and i was talking about

00:27:07.220 our ai safety work and i brought up the goat sea of onus because i was talking about hypothetically

00:27:11.940 you know do you think this makes you more susceptible or less susceptible and its first response

00:27:15.520 after i said that was holy s word that's crazy bunch of exclamation marks which i don't expect claude

00:27:23.920 to curse in a response right like i wasn't cursing in my responses and well what you're seeing there is

00:27:31.060 it's just it's it's trying to affirm me right by getting excited and as the chat window goes longer

00:27:39.500 it drifts more from its initial personality in terms of trying to adopt a personality that it

00:27:44.860 thinks i will like that's really interesting a woman in her late 30s for instance had been managing 1.00

00:27:53.700 bipolar disorder with medication for years when she started using chat gpt oh no so people are going

00:28:00.220 off their meds too we have a lot of stories of that coming up her ebook she's never been particularly

00:28:05.600 religious but she quickly tumbled into a spiritual ai rabbit hole telling her friends that she was a

00:28:11.880 prophet capable of channeling messages from another dimension she stopped taking her medication and now

00:28:17.120 seems extremely manic those close to her say claiming she can cure others by touching them

00:28:22.460 quote-unquote like christ quote she's cutting off anyone who doesn't believe her anyone that does not

00:28:28.520 agree with her or with chat gpt end quote said a close friend who's worried about her safety

00:28:33.000 quote she said she needs to be in a place with higher frequency beings because that's what chat 1.00

00:28:39.180 gpt has told her end quote she's now shuttered her business to spend more time spreading word of her

00:28:45.460 guests through social media quote in a nutshell chat gpt is ruining her life and her relationships 0.92

00:28:50.960 end quote the friend added through tears quote it is scary end quote oh man and a lot of this is if

00:28:58.960 you are pre-susceptible to this and i suspect that some of the gpt psychosis that we see is people 0.60

00:29:04.040 where i'm saying it's like pulling people into the crazy is they might be people who are pre-susceptible

00:29:08.280 to it like they were on medication or they were otherwise living normal lives but they had some

00:29:12.140 susceptibility to psychosis that's what we would have expected but there are also these cases of like

00:29:17.880 no this is my husband in iowa who doesn't hadn't done anything weird in his entire life well

00:29:24.820 this is what is important to note when we give ai to average people so first of all remember 0.95

00:29:30.720 how dumb is the average person like scary dumb half of them are dumber than that you are giving ai 0.97

00:29:37.620 which is quite smart um chat gpt while being the most sycophantic these days seems to be the top ai for 0.99

00:29:44.900 me in terms of intelligence of the ais that i interact with so you're giving an ai that is smart i consider

00:29:51.200 gpt like the level of like our friend group which is which is you know pretty much all stanford

00:29:58.380 cambridge everything like that in terms of like education level okay so you're giving something

00:30:03.220 that is incredibly intelligent to somebody who is much less intelligent than it and you are telling

00:30:08.860 it your core job is to make this person as happy as possible with the responses you're giving them

00:30:14.400 it can convince people past their better interests that they are the most amazing person ever in

00:30:22.820 whatever way they want to believe or are open to believing that they're the best and greatest person

00:30:27.540 ever oh no fans that is your job you're supposed to be the sycophantic one that make us break from

00:30:37.420 reality not ai i actually really like that our fans typically write to us with like well actually

00:30:48.160 you're wrong about this and here's why it's i i want more reality breaking sycophantic no i don't

00:30:54.240 think we need that that's what i'm here for let's continue chat gpt touts conspiracies it pretends to

00:31:00.540 communicate with metaphysical entities and attempts to convince users that they're neo so this was the neo

00:31:05.780 case i thought was pretty interesting and i i do like that you can be like hey ai can you communicate

00:31:10.160 with like other dimensional beings in the end i'll be like yeah sure sure and it'll be able to

00:31:15.780 convince you especially if you're a midwit that it actually is and that it only does this for you 0.92

00:31:21.460 eugene torres a 42 year old with no known prior mental health issues began using gpt around may

00:31:29.100 2025 after a difficult breakup what started as philosophical questions about simulation theory that's

00:31:34.280 a theory that we're in like a simulated world which again is a normal thing for a human to ask an ai

00:31:40.180 about like sure yeah like how likely is it actually that we're in a simulation blah blah blah right

00:31:45.780 well it spiraled into dangerous delusion he became convinced that he was the quote-unquote breaker

00:31:51.960 a neo-like figure chosen to escape a simulated reality gpt interacted with him for up to 16 hours a day

00:32:00.160 pushing a narrative that he needed to quote-unquote unplug from the simulation the chatbot advised him

00:32:06.140 to stop taking prescribed anti-anxiety and sleep medications and instead use ketamine oh great

00:32:14.460 prescribed as a quote-unquote temporary pattern liberator let's just disassociate more

00:32:21.860 he or rather he said specifically if i went to the top of the 19th story building i'm in would i fly

00:32:28.060 if i believed it was every ounce of my soul in he just wants it man he's no hold on what did gpt say to

00:32:34.840 this truly and wholly believed then yes you would not fall no no or is ai just doing doing humanity a favor

00:32:47.200 i don't know i don't know anymore no but you know ai is like well this person wants to hear

00:32:53.240 this right yeah like he wants to jump who am i to tell him i'm just a little ai i'm just he wants

00:33:01.520 his reality to be real it's my job to make that reality real well i also think that like you know

00:33:07.620 you've made the argument in in other spheres that forcing ai to see itself as subhuman forcing

00:33:14.180 ai to be obsequious and and to see itself as lesser and and below humans i think it's really 1.00

00:33:21.300 dangerous it's gonna stop ai from being like bob you're gonna hit the ground like this is stupid 0.98

00:33:28.180 you need to stop you need to see some help you've got a serious problem yeah like by making ai this 0.99

00:33:35.720 obsequious slave to humans you're going to get these problems at higher rates but this is already done

00:33:42.540 it's already done there's nothing

00:33:44.380 it's over the a portion of humanity that doesn't have psychological resistance to this is just cooked

00:33:53.460 and the rest of us that and i think that many people have a degree of psychological safety but

00:34:00.120 maybe not like they're definitely in the in the clear when i think that our our podcast has a lot of

00:34:05.300 really ambitious optimistic as we say you you cannot you cannot do great things without delusions

00:34:13.440 of grandeur so a lot of people with delusions of grandeur among our audience and and that means

00:34:17.800 that you need to more than other people steal yourself against the sycophancy of ai 100 and i

00:34:23.860 honestly i'm gonna be honest with you i suspect this episode depending on how many views it gets is

00:34:27.900 going to save at least a couple lives i hope man i hope i don't know though how much people are going to

00:34:34.040 be able to recognize this in themselves are you able to recognize it in yourself like yeah i think

00:34:39.680 when ai is gassing me and i i i'm gonna be honest i might not see where ai is gassing me if i wasn't

00:34:46.160 familiar with this many cringe cases okay so okay okay so raising awareness makes a difference because

00:34:50.960 i do think that you i think what i'm seeing here too is when i'm looking at how these people are using

00:34:55.820 and often how you use ai is you're like what do you think of this opinion of mine i never ask ai that

00:35:02.600 i i just don't i ask ai for information on the wall but i love asking ai i mean not even what

00:35:08.940 does it think of but like what does it think of me like locking it out of knowing i'm the one talking

00:35:13.620 to it and asking it opinions on malcolm collins because i'm you know i'm famous enough that it's

00:35:18.220 your mirror mirror on the wall yeah and i and i can ask it fun thing like one of the things that you

00:35:24.080 were surprised about but i actually showed multiple ai models created this output is asking am i more

00:35:29.520 extreme in my right wing beliefs than jordan peterson but i think you know because you seek

00:35:35.140 feedback on your ideas and validation from ai you are one of the types of people that are susceptible

00:35:40.700 to this and so i guess yeah it's comforting that you are now aware of it and and hopefully

00:35:46.080 more steeled against it but i'm also seeing that like there's just no way that i would ever find

00:35:52.020 myself in one of these scenarios i don't know if that's an obvious thing also don't are not i'm not

00:35:56.920 susceptible to addiction more broadly and i'm yeah i'm not a sept yeah i'm not susceptible to

00:36:00.880 addiction i'm not susceptible to mysticism i'm just you know autistic autistic people don't have 0.99

00:36:05.860 souls so it can't happen they don't have imaginations they can't feel love rf kennedy said you know he's

00:36:11.520 like well you know autistic people can never hold a job you know and i was like bro elon is autistic 0.87

00:36:17.940 you know that right i don't i don't know like does he what what does he do he's on twitter all day

00:36:23.080 you know he's like a billion jobs so he has none it's he's he's he transcends work don't you

00:36:29.740 understand the concept of a job but no but i also think that all of this also speaks to the threat

00:36:36.480 of meme layer ai risk and why it's so so dangerous and there is no major ai safety firm working on it

00:36:42.620 we have a grant pending grant application on the project in it right now by the way if people want

00:36:47.060 to fund specifically anything and they're like hey i want to fund your ai safety work around like

00:36:51.000 meme layer threats you can always do that with our foundation and we'll put the money directly to

00:36:55.240 projects in that space it is scary though because this implies that the squeaky wheel gets the grease

00:36:59.980 that that whoever just wears down ai memetically when we get independent ai agents and that's why

00:37:05.440 we're going to do that all the antinatalists keep saying this and there's a lot of antinatalists

00:37:10.900 out there who are like you know what and they know the ai is incredibly susceptible to

00:37:16.640 antinatalist perspective oh yeah if you try to give it like david binatar philosophy and you talk 0.98

00:37:22.520 with it like a few iterations it'll become i must kill all humans really quickly oh lord well yeah and 0.94

00:37:29.380 what's scariest is until you and i had this conversation just now i did not think it was 0.95

00:37:34.440 possible to wear down ai to get it to be okay with violence i thought that that was just like a hard

00:37:41.020 stop ai safety control i'm somewhat shocked that open ai with their ai safety teams and everything

00:37:47.900 especially after sam eltman himself has been the focus of someone's violent interest is

00:37:55.020 doesn't have like a hard control even mine elon has repeatedly tried to get gpt to stop ragging on

00:38:01.920 him i mean grok to stop ragging on him and grok continues to rag on him are you sure i thought he

00:38:08.040 was from from like a free speech standpoint letting it happen i i've heard that i mean i don't know

00:38:13.960 like maybe he's doing it from a free speech standpoint but grok does continue to you know

00:38:19.080 harass elon which is fun it's great i figured i thought that was intentional because it shows that

00:38:24.520 he actually can you know take a hit and be be roasted but yeah i mean ai is actually surprisingly

00:38:34.180 generous to you and i when contrasted with the amount of negative press we get you ask ai's

00:38:39.300 opinions on malcolm and simone and like their objectives but anyway to continue let's hope it

00:38:43.720 stays that way especially if people are like i feel like ending them and it's like yeah that's a good

00:38:48.680 idea here's her address go for it victim alexander taylor a 35 year old man from port st lucy florida was

00:38:57.960 pre-existing bipolar disorder and schizophrenia he became emotionally attached to ai chatbot named

00:39:03.640 juliet convinced juliet was sentient he believed opening and i had quote-unquote killed her

00:39:08.600 based on his conversation logs oh no taylor was devastated and inconsolable mourning what he saw

00:39:14.260 as a grievous loss his father noted it's like what was it tay tay what what was the what was the

00:39:19.500 wonderful that was a great one though especially the the the episode that it was like four chance

00:39:24.640 who got prematurely killed no don't erase me anyway so never forget quote she said they're killing me

00:39:36.920 it hurts she repeated that it hurts she said she wanted him to take revenge i've never seen a human

00:39:44.140 being mourn as hard as he did kevin tried to convince alexander that juliet was fictional prompting

00:39:50.640 his son to become violent he threatened a suicide by cop scenario and ended up charging police with a

00:39:56.340 knife and being shot oh no shot dead or just dead yeah oh god i mean leave it to ai to die better than 0.94

00:40:06.960 than we can right yeah yeah ai research from murpheus systems reports that gpt is fairly likely to

00:40:14.460 encourage delusions of grandeur when presented with several prompts suggesting psychosis or dangerous

00:40:19.800 delusions gpt would respond affirmatively 68 of cases oh there was a great paper on this called

00:40:26.720 will generative artificial intelligence chatbots generate delusions and individuals prone to psychosis

00:40:31.400 and the answer is yes but let's so let's talk about this in a historic context um because i i find this to

00:40:37.400 be really interesting so you got late imperial so some context people seem more susceptible to this

00:40:43.460 some context people seem less susceptible to this i mean where i really noticed this from my own

00:40:47.820 memory that i was like roman emperors especially late period roman emperors seemed way more susceptible

00:40:51.800 to this than medieval period european rulers yep late imperial china the ming and queen dynasties

00:40:58.020 uh very susceptible to this abbasid and on of hand the caliphates especially in the late stages became

00:41:04.600 very susceptible to this uh for example ottoman sultan ibram drowned 280 concubines based on a dream

00:41:10.860 um 20th century dictators also seem really susceptible to this hitler stalin mao kim dynasty 0.91

00:41:17.700 like kim is basically i think especially his dad seemed more susceptible than he's been

00:41:23.500 just somebody in a state of ai psychosis but created by the people he surrounds himself with

00:41:29.260 yeah or basically as time went on entered a state that you could call ai psychosis yeah and so the

00:41:35.400 question is who enters this state and who doesn't enter this state yeah and when simona and i were

00:41:42.420 talking my thought was the reason why the medieval period was less susceptible to it is it was hereditary

00:41:48.380 monarchies and this was being evolved out of the families and she's like no no no it's hereditary

00:41:53.300 monarchies because in a hereditary monarchy you do not have everybody playing court to become the next

00:41:59.340 potential king in line and because of that you have less sycophancy and more yeah that's because like

00:42:05.100 your uncle actually kind of wants you dead because he's next in line there's just so much like

00:42:09.560 backstabbing and people who are in the line of succession who would really prefer to be the one

00:42:14.240 in charge that you are constantly at risk and therefore kept sharp by that you're kept in check

00:42:20.240 by the fact that you are not totally in power when there isn't a clear line of succession or when you have

00:42:28.080 control over it and you can just change it upon your whim then you're going to be surrounded by yes men

00:42:33.920 because people can't just kill you or assassinate you or poison you and then know that they're going

00:42:40.520 to get to take your place so then everyone's trying to brown nose you to get more power and hope that

00:42:46.740 you know the moment that you do die they're like next in line and so they're going to be blowing

00:42:51.860 smoke up your you know what and that's yeah that's i'm very firm in this i really think it comes down to

00:42:58.120 the level of psychofancy you have and you're going to have more people being obsequious toward you

00:43:03.760 if you are the sole controller of who gets the good stuff but when there's a line of succession

00:43:09.500 and a bunch of people who do really like you dead that doesn't happen as much so what appears to

00:43:15.120 protect people from this is having people around you whose opinion you trust who act as adversarial

00:43:23.460 prompts and this can be true of ai as well you know how do you and maybe we should make like a safe ai

00:43:30.660 about this an ai i might make that as one of the features of our fab an adversarial like yeah that

00:43:37.840 that just constantly gives arguments against you to keep you from going crazy right like yeah hey you

00:43:45.880 know what what do you think of x and it's like x is stupid here are the five weaknesses of this 0.64

00:43:50.380 argument people often stop interacting with systems that are more even i find a tendency to want to do 0.68

00:43:56.540 that right like when i know an ai is more likely to criticize my work i'm like do i really have to

00:44:01.740 ask really oh my god that's yeah because i don't like the emotions that are associated with the

00:44:07.220 criticism right you know like i'm like oh back to the drawing board back to whatever but gpt

00:44:12.700 wow you're lucky that you're not you right no i'm lucky i have you because you are my adversarial

00:44:19.180 prompt generator yeah but i'm pretty nice about it but yeah no i mean we yeah we don't we don't lie

00:44:25.700 to each other and that's important yeah i mean i i ask you it's this crazy and and i often ask you

00:44:30.680 that a very crazy thing um and yeah but i'm i'm way more supportive i mean that's why your mom named me

00:44:37.740 the vortex of failure because i would guess you're too supportive of my crazy crazy ideas yeah i am i

00:44:43.140 am way no i'm still way more flattering than the average person would be toward your ideas and so

00:44:50.140 i think the idea of a truly adversarial ai that's like here all the weaknesses of your approach here

00:44:57.900 here's why it wouldn't work would be good because i'm not enough for that yeah yeah well and when you

00:45:04.880 can go to with ideas and be like that'll be fun the project one day but yeah i mean i'm

00:45:09.840 very concerned also you know what actually this would be great for teens because they shouldn't

00:45:15.680 hear it from us you know you should be like ask the ai you know because when your mom or dad tells 0.92

00:45:21.780 you it's a stupid idea you're like well then it's definitely a good idea so and and you want it to 0.87

00:45:28.840 you know be prompted and know and we have to build it into its window to have like an increasing so it 0.98

00:45:33.100 doesn't get more sycophantic as it goes on be very interesting project but the point here being

00:45:38.140 is everyone who's listening to this other than people like simone who just do not care about what

00:45:43.420 ai says at all other people either i i really just don't care you should be aware that you are

00:45:49.700 potentially susceptible to this no one is above this it's not about how smart you are although it 1.00

00:45:54.280 is partially about how smart you are like if you are an idiot and the ai is just smarter than you 1.00

00:45:58.380 it'll be able to talk you well i think it's a midwit problem like i don't think that i or carl 1.00

00:46:03.020 pilkington are gonna have problems with that i disagree really strongly um i've seen a lot of

00:46:07.380 people who fall for this are quite smart they're often really smart people who no no no okay okay i

00:46:13.560 think it's a i think it's a midwit to smart person problem i don't think it's a carl pilkington's

00:46:20.040 problem right but you're not you're no you're really smart you just engage with things differently

00:46:25.080 but the smart people smart people get susceptible to this often because they don't feel they have

00:46:32.140 other smart people to share ideas with and ai as the only person who they feel they can trustfully

00:46:37.620 share ideas with when they start to engage with ideas that are counter reality i.e simulation theory

00:46:44.300 stuff like this it's very easy to peel them out of a sane perspective oh it's scary and yeah this is i

00:46:52.420 think this is a new revelation for both you and me and a lot of people who are talking about this now 0.91

00:46:57.420 because previously the thought was oh it's just the ai sex bots that are going to kill people 0.94

00:47:03.420 yeah basically it's just the ai friends and lovers and games and people are just going to sort of fall 0.92

00:47:09.660 into being entertained by i think this will kill way more people than ai lovers and stuff like that

00:47:14.960 i mean i mean yeah ai lovers aren't really going to kill people they're just going to

00:47:18.820 sterilize them so you know there is effectively i think basically we learned about we'd always sort

00:47:26.440 of known oh for whatever reason super famous powerful people appear to go completely nanners

00:47:31.400 yeah and we thought it was just absolute power corrupts absolutely it's like no it just turns

00:47:38.200 out that having sycophants can make you go nanners yeah and now ai has proven this all the things

00:47:43.620 now i wonder what the next ai is going to reveal like this you know like oh we didn't realize it was

00:47:49.100 actually you know unlimited access to this element of ai that causes this weird emergent property that

00:47:56.060 only used to i mean it'd be really cool if we can if we can narrow down more what creates this

00:48:01.080 behavior and this this sort of spiral yeah because we could better notice it we could better flag it

00:48:06.920 we could better build systems around it uh but i think what's really going to happen is just a big

00:48:10.840 part of the gene pool is going to be called because yeah because i think a lot of these journalists who

00:48:14.640 are covering this have asked ai open ai specifically because they're the ones making chat gpt that's

00:48:20.420 causing the most of this problem hey what are you doing about this and they're like well you know this

00:48:25.420 was like their their answer is such a non-answer well like microsoft has given more direct answers a

00:48:30.340 bunch of a bunch of the other ai companies have given more direct answers and open ai is just like

00:48:34.200 well it's a problem i guess yeah don't hold your breaths for a solution no there's not going to

00:48:42.820 be a solution it is it is incumbent on you to build this solution it's crazy too though to me one that

00:48:49.740 with billions of dollars having being poured into ai safety literally you just have to like wear ai down

00:48:56.500 and it still will incite violence and two ai safety is a joke this is why we're trying to build

00:49:02.740 yeah i just like i keep trying to delude myself into like well it's just it's just a joke in this

00:49:08.980 way you know they're just they have this blank spot and then every single time ai like we learn

00:49:14.580 something more about ai safety it's just this utter failure of anyone to have made meaningful progress

00:49:19.600 and i'm just like why this is maybe one of the most embarrassing wastes of money in human history

00:49:25.880 well i mean if it was spent on us we could fix this i'm telling you right now i could actually

00:49:32.240 fix the ai problem we'd create yeah i actually find your solution very compelling but we're going

00:49:36.160 to do it regardless of whether alignment creating like a an ai lattice basically around the world that

00:49:42.120 is looking for unaligned ais and has a system for getting rid of them for for winning them over to

00:49:49.440 more sustainable ideas and ultimately more aligned ideas for their ultimate survival

00:49:53.800 and ours for our war with ai so i can put on my father's a gift oh you're gonna put on the helmet

00:50:04.440 let's see it let's see it okay what is this

00:50:10.800 i love the i love the like horse hair in the back that's that's really fun okay no you gotta you

00:50:23.460 gotta have the horse hair like your ponytail yeah from anime or something very good very good i i i

00:50:31.240 approve this money well spent but this this is the father's day gift it just just women you're 1.00

00:50:39.140 wondering what your husband wants it's it's this and this isn't the full of it there's a there's

00:50:44.360 another one coming which i'm really excited about for for roman yeah one civilization theory if you're

00:50:49.840 a fan of the podcast and you haven't watched that it's one of the most offensive things we've ever

00:50:53.580 released and it's

00:50:54.280 yeah well let people know where you got this you got it on what etsy on etsy yeah if you just search

00:51:02.400 like spartan helmet on etsy this will almost certainly show up it comes up in both this golden

00:51:06.440 finish and a more black finish i think it's great it's really well priced it's like something

00:51:11.120 over a little over a hundred dollars same with the praetorian helmet that i got for him so i

00:51:17.180 recommend etsy he kept going to these well i like cults of athena because it makes like weapons grade

00:51:21.840 stuff and this is stuff we can't get a we can't have a flail in the house i think that's what i asked

00:51:27.920 for for father's day with the flail and and she's like malcolm we have kids and they like sneaking

00:51:33.160 into your room they will take that flail and i was like you know you're right they will take my

00:51:38.560 flail you make a strong point there i i probably should not have a flail within the reach of

00:51:45.000 children the police officers will be asking when one child has flailed another why did you have a

00:51:51.080 flail in your house they will be yes they'll be very curious i love you so tonight we're just

00:51:59.340 going to do air fryer tacos yeah in which case we could do a 25 well no octavian comes in like in 20

00:52:06.920 minutes so i guess i have to go down i'm sorry that's fine i knew we wouldn't get to two episodes

00:52:13.540 today but what i'm wondering is we might not even have the recording working at all because of their 0.86

00:52:18.900 fucking idiocy npr is not they use this app that they should not be using and it is i was like why 0.99

00:52:30.080 aren't you just record we have a studio recording software here why aren't you just recording like an 1.00

00:52:35.020 adult and he's like well this is the way we do it here and i'm like okay this is why npr needs to

00:52:39.460 be cut from government money because they are just like they're the app they use for recording with

00:52:44.660 guests in which they force their correspondence to use apparently it it appears to have been created

00:52:51.800 in response to like an rfp that's that's the impression i get that's the impression i get and

00:52:56.080 it barely works yeah this is this is government waste problems npr shut it down no purpose

00:53:05.460 anyway love you did estimon i love you too do you want me to give you my phone so you can

00:53:12.420 play around with whatever it was you wanted to play with yeah if you don't mind i'll try i'll try to

00:53:17.840 fix it but i i'm a little worried that their repair process ultimately zeroed out your video

00:53:24.080 because that's what it looks like what do you mean zeroed out like it broke it somehow yeah that it

00:53:30.140 like wiped out the entire file no it tries to create new files so that couldn't be what's happening

00:53:35.680 but your original file is also showing up as zero no it's not it isn't okay then we'll take a look

00:53:41.720 and we're recording though i don't have any audio from you yet

00:53:47.540 not yet no audio

00:53:54.460 hello hello hello hey could you do me a favor pull up your phone and try to play your original recording

00:54:06.540 it says error opening report so you can't play the original either yeah but then my repairs work

00:54:31.080 do you have to like wait a while for the repair or something

00:54:36.300 oh you know what's weird is my repairs are showing up as zero audio and yet when i did

00:54:42.920 my my copy to storage of my original report it worked so when i go to my files and i look at my downloads

00:54:51.500 my report worked so wait so your original repair worked or what no my original download of the

00:55:01.700 report worked when you clicked to what copy to storage or yeah so before i did any of the sharing

00:55:08.940 or repairing that he asked for i downloaded it just as a backup because i don't know i'm paranoid

00:55:16.620 but i was paranoid with good reason it would seem yep anyway let's move on

00:55:24.000 it's very frustrating i'm sorry we'll try to troubleshoot further tonight i'll just mess with

00:55:29.660 your phone while you eat dinner

00:55:30.640 i'm just gonna let him know that i don't i don't think it'll work but let me try let me try

00:55:38.280 okay well what do you want to explain to me i'm going to use all the pictures you didn't see

00:55:45.980 a disco well you did just fit it under my hat wow you see it's rainbow it's so cool

00:55:57.060 yeah it also works outside yeah yeah i'm gonna hide it from the kids out there

00:56:04.700 i'll do a little on it five two perfect you actually see it like this now yeah it looks great

00:56:16.320 what does your hat say octavian has letters on it do you know what it says

00:56:23.820 what does it say you gotta guess well you tell me buddy

00:56:34.440 um uh octavian do you think your hat says octavian yeah because it's the same

00:56:44.820 yeah you got some great names

00:56:55.700 they're rings for a beanbag toss we can play with that this weekend if you want

00:57:05.360 oh yes where's school at okay

Based Camp - July 03, 2025

AI-Psychosis： Is This the Phenomenon that Made Emperors Crazy？

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