Based Camp - America's Lost Tribe： The Puritans & Greater Appalachia's Role In Their Disappearance

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone! I am excited to be here with you today.

00:00:03.300 This will be our second episode going over some of the concepts,

00:00:07.700 what we think they got right and what we think they got wrong, of the book.

00:00:11.640 American Nations by Colin Woodard,

00:00:14.040 which was inspired by one of our favorite books of all time,

00:00:17.400 Albion Seed by David Hackett Fitcher.

00:00:20.000 And this divides America into 11 cultural groups,

00:00:23.840 and I will put a map on screen here so you can see it.

00:00:27.040 And in the last episode we did on this, which you can check out,

00:00:29.480 one of the core things I think he got wrong

00:00:31.480 is he thought that the Puritan cultural group in the Northeastern United States

00:00:37.420 ended up being the core mountain head of current Yankee culture

00:00:43.140 or the Northeastern coastal culture in the United States,

00:00:46.340 where we argue this is fundamentally wrong-headed,

00:00:49.760 that that culture actually stems from Catholicism,

00:00:53.320 which for a long time made up the majority population in these regions

00:00:56.940 after the immigration waves started,

00:00:59.060 so even though, just to briefly cover some concepts from the last one

00:01:03.200 that a lot of people are unfamiliar with,

00:01:04.800 Catholics at the time of America's founding were an incredibly small part of the colonies.

00:01:07.840 They were like 1.5%.

00:01:09.120 Even in the quote-unquote Catholic colony,

00:01:11.680 they were a very small minority, around 10%.

00:01:14.660 That was Maryland.

00:01:15.740 So they just were not a big cultural force in America

00:01:18.700 until the Irish, Italian, and now Hispanic immigration waves,

00:01:23.840 which led to the Catholic population becoming the predominant cultural wellspring

00:01:29.640 of three of the American cultural groups.

00:01:34.100 Specifically, in the last episode, we focused a lot on how they were the wellspring of the Yankee cultural group,

00:01:38.760 but they are also the wellspring of the El Norte cultural group,

00:01:41.180 which is the Hispanic cultural group in the city,

00:01:43.620 and the far-left cultural group that is on the west coast.

00:01:48.580 And if I put a map here of America's districts by primary religious affiliation,

00:01:54.880 you will see there is a huge overlap with all the blue strongholds

00:01:58.000 and where the Catholics were settled.

00:02:00.540 So now we want to go, or at least these specific blue strongholds,

00:02:04.680 i.e. Yankee-dom and far-left-dom,

00:02:07.160 the far west coast of the United States.

00:02:10.200 Now, what we want to do is go into a question that springs up.

00:02:14.700 And it's a very interesting question, if you've read LBNC.

00:02:17.640 Is, okay, these are the four cultures that form the foundation of America.

00:02:21.860 Where did they go?

00:02:23.500 Right.

00:02:24.160 Where did the Quakers go?

00:02:25.760 Where did the Puritans go?

00:02:28.180 Where did the Cavaliers go?

00:02:31.080 Because the Backwoods people, which I'm descended from, the greater Apple.

00:02:34.080 We know where they are.

00:02:35.140 They're right where you think they are.

00:02:36.780 We will, in this episode, talk about this culture and its background.

00:02:41.140 But I think a lot of people are a bit mystified about what happened to these three other.

00:02:45.240 It's kind of cool in American history, by the way, if you like study it.

00:02:48.740 It's like the Lost Tribes.

00:02:50.260 It's like, well, there are really unique founding groups in the country.

00:02:54.500 Where did they go?

00:02:55.960 How did they end up actually influencing the cultures that came downstream of them?

00:03:00.440 And a big answer here is they mostly died out.

00:03:05.100 Would you like to know more?

00:03:06.460 However, it was the, well, a separate episode on how the Quakers died out.

00:03:10.740 Because that's a very interesting story in and of itself.

00:03:13.620 But today, we're going to talk about the Puritans, what they broadly stood for,

00:03:19.320 how one group of the Puritans, or I'd say the Calvinist settlers in early America,

00:03:24.440 because there were two big groups here, which I think is really undersold.

00:03:29.520 The Backwoods people, the Backwoods group, the greater Appalachian group,

00:03:33.520 was heavily related to the Puritan group.

00:03:36.480 They were also a Calvinist group.

00:03:38.340 They generally got along with the Puritan group.

00:03:41.120 And they ended up, actually, here's a great example of how well they got along with the Puritan group.

00:03:45.060 So there was something called the Paxton Boys uprising.

00:03:49.140 And in it, because the Quakers always trying to bureaucratically control everything,

00:03:54.440 were giving their districts like half the vote that the Quaker districts had,

00:03:58.320 the more central urban districts had.

00:04:00.880 And they also had created a situation in which the Indians were constantly attacking

00:04:04.500 and killing these people.

00:04:05.620 And they were like, we don't really care, I guess.

00:04:09.720 I mean, talk about other, there's so much of like American lore,

00:04:13.220 which is just like mis-stories.

00:04:15.860 So it was actually around this, the time of the Paxton Boys,

00:04:18.460 like leading up to this, that the famous giving Indians smallpox infected blankets thing came from.

00:04:23.760 And people are like, oh, oh, that's so horrible.

00:04:27.680 How could anyone have done that?

00:04:29.100 And it's like, you know, they had just killed over 2,000 settlers and were besieging a settlement.

00:04:35.300 And that was the context.

00:04:37.560 Like, excuse me.

00:04:39.600 They had been butchering children.

00:04:41.600 Like what?

00:04:42.320 Like they were trying to save a settlement that was under siege.

00:04:46.140 This is like an Alamo situation here, people.

00:04:48.940 Like, is it bad, like by modern warfare standards?

00:04:54.180 Yeah.

00:04:55.200 If you are behind the walls of a city and you know a group just butchered like the two cities next to you

00:05:00.880 and killed all the women and children and you've got your family there,

00:05:03.820 are you not going to try everything you can think of to try to protect yourself?

00:05:08.640 Because you have sent requests to the local Pennsylvania government,

00:05:12.040 but it's run by Quakers.

00:05:13.740 And Quakers are pacifists.

00:05:15.120 I mean, yeah, I kind of have, like, with all things in life right now,

00:05:19.120 a fuck around and find out attitude.

00:05:21.360 Like, I mean, also, you siege a town.

00:05:24.640 They're going to try some stuff.

00:05:26.820 Like maybe they didn't expect biological warfare.

00:05:29.480 Does that mean it's unfair?

00:05:30.940 I don't know.

00:05:32.240 Yeah.

00:05:32.620 Well, this is actually a really interesting thing about the Backwoods people.

00:05:37.160 So we're going to talk about where they came from,

00:05:38.740 but also a really interesting thing about them culturally.

00:05:41.200 Because they had a relationship with the Indians that was both incredibly more brutal

00:05:46.240 than any of the other founding American cultural groups.

00:05:48.840 Yeah, I think many American cultural groups saw them as equal to the Native American,

00:05:54.720 the indigenous populations,

00:05:55.840 because they were equally brutal in some of their behaviors vis-a-vis other groups.

00:06:02.960 So we'll get to that.

00:06:04.260 But first, let's just, like, let's talk about where they came from more broadly.

00:06:07.220 So they were the second wave of immigrants into the United States.

00:06:11.380 Or you could really say the first wave of people who felt like European immigrants in America.

00:06:16.600 I don't know.

00:06:17.020 I think the second wave of immigrants was more the Cavaliers,

00:06:21.040 followed by the Quakers, then followed by the Scots-Irish.

00:06:26.120 So not quite.

00:06:27.440 I need to clarify what I mean by second wave.

00:06:29.540 What I mean is they were the first wave of distinctly culturally different white Europeaners

00:06:37.000 coming to already white European-settled parts of America.

00:06:41.720 Yes, the Cavaliers came as a separate wave, but they were mostly setting up...

00:06:45.020 They were settling in indigenous lands in totally foreign territory,

00:06:48.460 not competing with existing UK-based groups, right?

00:06:52.720 Yes, but, like, when the Quakers came and set up Philadelphia,

00:06:55.280 it wasn't like there was a big existing settlement there.

00:06:57.600 When the Anglers came and the Puritans came and set up Massachusetts,

00:07:00.960 there wasn't a big existing settlement there.

00:07:02.660 When the Backwoods people came, or what became the greater Appalachian culture,

00:07:06.660 all of the stuff on the coastline was pretty much already settled.

00:07:10.660 And unlike the later Irish and Italian immigrant waves, the Catholic immigrant waves,

00:07:16.180 these people were much more discriminated against than any other really white population group

00:07:23.420 that entered America to the extent that they almost were unable to settle in any already settled region.

00:07:30.340 Now, this was due to two reasons.

00:07:33.320 There wasn't yet this idea that America was, like, this mixing pot yet.

00:07:36.800 It was like, who are these brutal savages?

00:07:39.580 Because that's what they were seen as by the existing population.

00:07:42.360 They were mostly Irish and Scottish clan people, I guess is what I call them.

00:07:48.020 They had been through centuries of clan warfare.

00:07:51.820 They were an incredibly honor-based people in an honor-based culture.

00:07:56.340 But they were also, I won't say lawless, they believed in law, but, you know, they'd have blood feuds,

00:08:01.780 they'd have, the law was the law.

00:08:03.600 Well, there's honor-based law, and then there's civil law.

00:08:06.660 And they were on a more honor-code-based system where when you have a feud,

00:08:11.340 it is settled by your people through a blood feud or through vigilante justice,

00:08:15.820 rather than you going to a centralized authority and saying,

00:08:19.540 oh, mommy, they did something bad, punish them.

00:08:23.260 Like, our children come to us, Toasty did it.

00:08:26.900 Yeah, no, they kept coming and setting up, what were the names of the regulators?

00:08:31.700 So they set up separate governments ruled by something called the regulators, which-

00:08:37.120 Roving vigilante groups.

00:08:38.600 But let's talk about how this all ended up happening as well,

00:08:41.100 because this is important before we get to what ended up happening to the Puritans.

00:08:44.060 So these people came over, nobody wanted them in their cities.

00:08:47.880 They were seen as incredibly, like, crime-full people.

00:08:52.220 And they kind of were.

00:08:52.980 And loose women, and the women had higher skirts, low bust lines.

00:08:58.080 They all acted in a very informal way.

00:09:00.140 They just felt culturally extremely different.

00:09:03.900 Yeah, they were very, well, they were a clan-based, low-class group.

00:09:08.360 They were the first group that, like, really was not in any way intellectual or upper class.

00:09:14.180 They were fleeing regional violence.

00:09:16.180 And they were fleeing regional violence from people like themselves.

00:09:20.240 And so they got into these cities, and in part because the cities could immediately be like,

00:09:24.740 oh, just go to the land outside the cities.

00:09:26.880 Go to the frontier, which at the time was the Appalachian Mountains and the area right before

00:09:32.660 the Appalachian Mountains, like, just outside of all of the settled areas.

00:09:35.540 Which is poetically quite appropriate, because the Appalachian Mountains are actually the same

00:09:40.260 mountain range as the Scottish Highlands, just before they got split up into different continents.

00:09:46.880 And these people, this actually worked out really good for everyone to begin with.

00:09:51.660 So the reason it worked out so good is there were a lot of really dangerous Indian groups.

00:09:56.500 And you had these, like, pansy, like, Quakers, right, who refused to fight at all.

00:10:01.060 They would actually have, like, pirates just, like, plunder their settlements, and they'd do

00:10:05.080 nothing about it.

00:10:06.460 And, yeah, so Ben Franklin, who was a Puritan based in Philadelphia, would be like, I could

00:10:12.520 explain to our enemies that, like, we do not retaliate for this.

00:10:15.900 And they wouldn't even come attacked because they wouldn't believe that anyone would act

00:10:19.540 like this.

00:10:20.160 It is so insane that you're refusing to do anything.

00:10:23.900 So anyway.

00:10:24.880 And then you have the Puritans, who were a hard people, but they, well, they didn't have

00:10:30.460 as much problem with the Indians for a couple reasons.

00:10:32.840 One is, is they were very hardy people.

00:10:34.200 Like, they were willing to defend themselves, and they were very prickly.

00:10:36.260 But also, they would intentionally settle the least productive lands, the most stony fields

00:10:42.100 and everything like that, because they believed that, you know, the harder you made your life,

00:10:46.480 the more favor God was giving you, that, like, God gave you favor through intentionally choosing

00:10:50.680 to give yourself hardship.

00:10:53.160 And the Puritans, keep in mind, settled in the northeast of the United States at a time

00:10:58.100 when it was much colder.

00:10:59.700 It had much harsher winters than it does today.

00:11:02.360 So right now, the south, for example, where the Cavaliers and future southerner groups settled

00:11:08.160 is pretty much climatically the same now as it used to be.

00:11:11.680 But New England was very different and very harsh.

00:11:14.100 It wasn't just the soil.

00:11:15.060 Yeah, and so these people were pushed out because the Quakers, if they had a boundary

00:11:20.800 of these angry Klan people, the Indians couldn't get through them.

00:11:24.780 You know, the Indians ended up fighting the Klan people, and the Klan people would fight

00:11:28.080 the Indians.

00:11:28.700 Now, it caused problems, and this is one of the things, where the Quakers, the Quakers

00:11:32.360 are just so slimy.

00:11:33.400 I will never get away from this lie that Quakers were, like, anti-slavery.

00:11:37.540 When we know from Quaker wills that 43% of Quakers owned slaves, they just were vocally

00:11:42.380 anti-slavery.

00:11:43.020 They had higher slave ownership rates than aristocratic southerners during the slave-owning

00:11:46.800 period.

00:11:47.520 They were very woke.

00:11:49.180 It was like, we'll say something's bad, but then, you know, in our actions, we'll cause

00:11:53.020 more damage.

00:11:53.640 So they're like, oh, we will always treat the Indians nice, and we will always pay for their

00:11:58.540 land, unlike those Puritans who, like, do, you know, sort of cheaty deals with them.

00:12:04.240 But then how did they actually treat the Indians?

00:12:05.580 Well, they took these warlike Klan people, they put them all around the Indian land, and

00:12:10.340 then they used them for protection, and they kept killing the Indians, and the Indians kept

00:12:14.040 killing them.

00:12:14.820 So ultimately, if you look at the Indian tribes that were in the Quaker areas, they actually

00:12:18.700 ended up dying out at higher rates than the Indian tribes in the Puritan areas.

00:12:22.860 Because, again, it's, you know, technically they're pro-Indian, except they settled these, like,

00:12:29.000 bloodthirsty, my ancestors, people next to them.

00:12:31.320 Lord Almighty.

00:12:32.340 Okay.

00:12:32.900 So now we've got to get into how these people ended up relating to the Indians, and why it

00:12:36.360 was so different from any of the other early American groups.

00:12:39.300 And it really shows, in our show, I say I'm a pluralist, right?

00:12:45.360 But people here, Malcolm's a pluralist, like a dyed-in-the-wooled pluralist of the old Appalachian

00:12:51.320 variety, and what they think I'm saying is I'm an equalist.

00:12:55.040 You know, that I believe that all cultural practices are equal, and all people are equal.

00:12:59.760 And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:13:01.580 You'll understand when you understand how the Blackwoods people related to the Indians.

00:13:04.520 So the Quakers would be like, I respect the Native Americans' human dignity, right?

00:13:09.260 But they didn't take time to understand, or know, or live with the Indians.

00:13:15.380 They, like, superficially, academically respected the Indians.

00:13:19.560 But they didn't actually, like, engage with the Indians.

00:13:23.680 The Backwoods people, they were very known and actually very hated from the other people.

00:13:27.240 They would frequently marry Indians.

00:13:29.060 They would adopt Indian-style of dresses.

00:13:32.000 They would adopt...

00:13:32.680 We didn't some children of mixed Backwoods and Indigenous pairings,

00:13:39.000 become significant leaders within Native American communities.

00:13:43.560 Yeah, they did.

00:13:44.300 Well, and was in Backwoods communities.

00:13:45.960 And some of the Backwoods people would actually just go and move in

00:13:49.340 and convert to the Indian communities and ways of life.

00:13:52.660 Like, they would just...

00:13:53.260 Well, they weren't that terribly different.

00:13:55.480 It's not as though many, for example, Scottish settlements

00:13:59.020 were that different from many Indigenous American settlements.

00:14:03.620 They could...

00:14:04.960 They lived in rougher ways.

00:14:07.140 They were a clan-based people.

00:14:09.700 And in that, they were similar, but they were culturally quite different.

00:14:14.140 Well, culturally very different.

00:14:16.040 But sometimes I feel like lifestyle and culture...

00:14:20.700 I can tell how different they were.

00:14:21.940 Because I can see this idea of,

00:14:24.040 oh, they were these backwards savages living off the land.

00:14:27.660 The Indians were backwards savages living off the land.

00:14:29.860 And look, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that there's this perception.

00:14:33.420 People saw this intention to be like,

00:14:35.760 oh, they must have been similar culturally.

00:14:38.060 No, they were not at all similar culturally.

00:14:40.720 Not culturally, but logistically.

00:14:42.140 They were no more similar to the Indians than they were to the Quakers,

00:14:45.060 or the Quakers were to the Indians.

00:14:46.460 The only way, the only one dimension they were similar to the Indians

00:14:50.600 was that they were from a clan-based system.

00:14:52.760 They had different clans similar to the Indians,

00:14:54.980 and these clans fought each other.

00:14:56.500 But because of that, when they came into these Indian areas,

00:15:00.620 they saw the Indians with genuine human dignity,

00:15:05.820 as a separate clan that was in a clan-based conflict with them.

00:15:10.580 But this also meant that they would regularly go butcher Indian towns

00:15:14.100 in a way that the Puritans and the Quakers never, ever would.

00:15:18.580 So in a way, they respected the Indians.

00:15:21.780 They wanted to learn from them.

00:15:22.660 They wanted to learn from their culture.

00:15:23.720 They would intermarry with them when they made sense.

00:15:25.300 They would join their communities when they liked those specific communities.

00:15:28.280 But they also treated them as a full equal in terms of clan competition.

00:15:34.420 And for them, that meant regularly go in and raid their settlements.

00:15:38.580 I mean, they raid other clan settlements.

00:15:40.580 Why not raid the Indian settlements?

00:15:41.740 We're only treating them with the same respect that we treat our own.

00:15:44.940 Yeah, we're going and take their territory.

00:15:46.340 But when you're back, that's a little different, isn't it?

00:15:48.980 Yeah, because they were admittedly, they weren't as brutal as the most brutal Indians,

00:15:57.200 but they were close in terms of the areas that they came from.

00:16:02.260 And in those areas, they were often the most brutal of the parts of Scotland in Ireland,

00:16:06.820 for example.

00:16:08.820 But keep in mind, this group, again, was not the Catholics from Ireland.

00:16:11.720 This was the Protestants in Ireland, who were the Irish who were part of this community.

00:16:17.160 Anyway, so, and this was actually the group.

00:16:19.820 So the Scotch-Irish, these are the Scots who were moved to Ireland.

00:16:22.720 They were brought there by earlier English to rule over the parts of it,

00:16:27.300 like to try to be like enforcers.

00:16:28.600 It's not really rule over it, because they were more like enforcers or brutes

00:16:32.320 for the English population, because they wanted a particularly sort of bloodthirsty,

00:16:37.080 I guess you could say, people to move there.

00:16:39.300 And so that's what I mean when I say I mean pluralism.

00:16:42.160 I mean pluralism so that on equal terms, the strong can defeat the weak.

00:16:46.480 They can learn from them.

00:16:47.720 They can learn what, like of the people who are different from us,

00:16:54.020 what can we learn from them?

00:16:55.180 What can we, and then we take that stuff and we use it to do better ourselves.

00:16:59.760 Now, I do not believe that we should be in a system like they were,

00:17:02.940 where the strong against the weak is the people who literally kill the other people should win.

00:17:08.660 I think we're civilizationally beyond that point.

00:17:12.140 But what I mean is I think we should be able to economically,

00:17:16.840 cross-culturally compete against other groups without putting training wheels on some groups,

00:17:21.840 either from an ethical perspective, i.e. you can't compete with those people

00:17:25.620 because they're in a weaker position than you or something like that,

00:17:28.640 or through affirmative action or through anything like that.

00:17:32.020 We should all be able to compete.

00:17:34.820 And it's so interesting to me that this all-compete attitude in a way assigns more human dignity

00:17:41.720 to the other than the attitude of, well, these, you know, poor little whatever minority,

00:17:49.360 we need to give them all sorts of special stuff because goodness knows they can't work on their

00:17:53.420 own culture.

00:17:54.060 They can't fix anything themselves.

00:17:55.520 And I also believe this free competition mindset, I hold it because I believe it helps even the

00:18:01.220 groups that are in harder positions.

00:18:03.700 So you can see this, and I'll put on screen here some graphs of Black Americans and Hispanic Americans

00:18:10.060 who were in Democrat-controlled districts versus Republican-controlled districts had closer to

00:18:16.180 white income levels and closer to white IQs.

00:18:18.920 So they were intergenerationally improving and getting close to a point where they were equal

00:18:22.800 with the existing white population, whereas in the Democrat areas, they were not improving.

00:18:28.880 Because of course you're not going to improve when you're putting training wheels on everything,

00:18:31.360 right?

00:18:31.560 Like the goal is individual cultural improvement.

00:18:35.520 Well, the goal is to give people resources that empower them.

00:18:42.180 It's the whole teach a man to fish thing rather than disempowering them.

00:18:46.540 There's been systematic infantilization and disempowerment taking place in progressive communities.

00:18:52.320 Absolutely.

00:18:53.300 Did you have anything else you wanted to say about this community before I move further?

00:18:57.140 No, let's go for it.

00:18:58.580 So with this community, we can get to a...

00:19:03.560 They were really, as we've already said, looked down upon by the Quakers extremely,

00:19:11.100 because that was a group that they were engaging with most.

00:19:13.340 And the German settlers who were like the Quaker society, so we're going to talk a little bit

00:19:17.760 about the society that became the Midland Cultural Group, which I'll show on the map here.

00:19:21.860 They were mostly formed of three groups, okay?

00:19:25.780 You had some of these backwoods people.

00:19:27.380 You had some of the German settlers who were mostly like really industrious farmers and just

00:19:33.260 wanted to be left alone and didn't really want any position of governments.

00:19:36.980 And then you had the elite class, which was the Quakers.

00:19:39.700 They basically ran, well, everything.

00:19:42.580 They ran all of the major businesses.

00:19:44.420 They ran all the slave operations, and they ran most of the political offices.

00:19:48.160 And they used these positions to essentially oppress the two other groups, the backwoods

00:19:53.800 people who they removed the ability to get votes from.

00:19:56.720 They didn't really protect them.

00:19:58.520 And the German settlers, but the German settlers didn't really care.

00:20:01.380 They, in part, are the group that we now know of.

00:20:03.380 It's the Amish.

00:20:04.160 But they didn't all become Amish.

00:20:05.580 This was one part of this faction, but it's still the most culturally preserved of this original

00:20:09.780 faction.

00:20:10.140 And so you had this system where because the Germans didn't focus on anything other than

00:20:17.440 education tied to efficiency of their farm labor, and because the backwoods people really

00:20:23.000 saw learning as a fairly pointless thing to do.

00:20:26.920 It wasn't part of their culture.

00:20:28.740 They didn't believe in higher education in the way any of the other cultures did, so they

00:20:33.480 couldn't run these types of jobs.

00:20:34.940 They also didn't believe in capital accumulation.

00:20:36.980 So I want to talk about this really quickly because this is important.

00:20:39.080 Why didn't they believe in capital accumulation?

00:20:41.420 Because the other Calvinist groups all heavily believed in capital accumulation.

00:20:45.940 Well, because they...

00:20:47.380 So let's talk about how the Puritan, in their view of capital accumulation, created modern

00:20:50.900 capitalism.

00:20:51.640 So they believed that God showed his favor to people by how successful you were, specifically

00:20:57.540 for them because they lived in the business world, right?

00:21:00.940 But if you spend any of that money on yourself, like aggrandizing yourself in the eyes of other

00:21:05.980 people, on art, on flashy things, then you were showing that you had sort of failed the

00:21:12.320 test that God had given you, and that test was success.

00:21:14.740 And Scrooge is very much a character who represents this old Calvinist Puritan set.

00:21:20.500 Well, keep in mind what success meant.

00:21:22.860 Okay, so they agreed with the Puritans on that.

00:21:25.060 God gives you success if he likes you.

00:21:27.360 But they were in this clan-based system, right?

00:21:30.780 That was like, yeah, but if you ever accumulated too much capital, your neighbors would just

00:21:37.260 come and steal it.

00:21:38.400 You know, if you got a bunch of cows and your neighbors would come and steal those cows,

00:21:41.980 there was no point in ever having stuff.

00:21:45.200 And this is something that is really noticed in...

00:21:47.600 I read in a previous episode about my ancestors and the people used to like their parents episode.

00:21:54.300 And in that episode, one of the things that my ancestor was noting about his dad is he had

00:21:59.420 so many opportunities to make money through investment and stuff like that.

00:22:02.480 But he just seemed allergic to even attempting to make money.

00:22:05.980 And he was like, why was that?

00:22:07.280 And it was because he came from this clan-based system.

00:22:09.500 These people who, when the South was revolting, they started counter-revolutions to try to,

00:22:14.840 you know, because they were against slavery.

00:22:17.080 And we'll talk about why they were against slavery.

00:22:18.500 Because most of the Backwoods people weren't.

00:22:20.120 And they were like, okay, we'll do our own thing here.

00:22:22.260 But they'd already gone through this a few times.

00:22:24.040 You know, go fight with your neighbors, create breakaway states.

00:22:26.380 This is where, you know, 15 of his brothers or siblings were one of the 50 founding members

00:22:31.080 of the Free State of Jones.

00:22:32.300 You, me, all of us.

00:22:34.000 We're all out there dying so they can stay rich.

00:22:36.400 Tax collectives coming around here, taking everything.

00:22:38.460 Girls, you know how to shoot one of these?

00:22:40.940 No man ought to tell another man what he's got to live for or what he's got to die for.

00:22:44.840 So, you know, heavy, heavy relation to that sort of movement.

00:22:56.080 So anyway, where was it?

00:22:57.780 Capital accumulation.

00:22:59.140 Capital accumulation, yes.

00:23:00.400 So these people didn't have the same relation to capital accumulation that the Puritans did.

00:23:05.520 It was more like status accumulation was what mattered more than traditional capital accumulation

00:23:11.100 like you would have in a Puritan setting.

00:23:12.820 It was Klan honor accumulation.

00:23:15.720 Yes.

00:23:16.440 Honor culture.

00:23:17.820 It was honor culture.

00:23:18.740 You needed to accumulate honor for the sake of accumulating honor.

00:23:23.240 But also this honor was the currency in which this community dealt.

00:23:28.140 There wasn't really so much capital.

00:23:29.740 There wasn't really so much of an economy.

00:23:31.360 There wasn't really so much of an external governing mechanism.

00:23:33.760 Honor was the judicial system, the economy, the social capital, the respect, and the negotiating

00:23:42.580 power.

00:23:43.160 So it did matter.

00:23:44.080 Yeah.

00:23:44.220 Well, I should be clear that they actually had a currency and it was a hard alcohol and

00:23:49.340 whiskeys.

00:23:49.940 That's what they used as a currency in their districts.

00:23:52.560 Yeah.

00:23:52.840 Just to give you an idea of the type of people they were.

00:23:54.980 But they also related to morality quite differently than the Puritans.

00:23:57.700 Speaking of which, though, just random thing, it has been mentioned in a couple of videos

00:24:02.980 I've been listening to about Mormon culture that a lot of Mormons in their emergency supplies

00:24:07.660 save like large jugs of vodka as a currency for like an apocalyptic event.

00:24:16.780 So alcohol is currency.

00:24:18.380 It actually makes me want to buy more vodka because it's not a bad idea.

00:24:23.380 So alcohol is currency people.

00:24:28.280 So and keep in mind, we'll get to their counter governments in a second because they're actually

00:24:32.220 important.

00:24:32.880 But I should also hear talk about their ethical system because it was a little different than

00:24:36.900 the Puritan ethical system.

00:24:38.120 So they were both Calvinists.

00:24:39.300 You know, they believed in predestination.

00:24:41.540 They believed that, you know, pretty much everything is a sin.

00:24:45.640 Dancing is a sin.

00:24:46.720 Music is a sin.

00:24:47.700 Sports.

00:24:48.100 Oh, that's definitely a sin.

00:24:49.180 You know, extramarital sex is a sin.

00:24:51.560 Anything you do for the pure sake of happiness, like personal happiness, is broadly a sin.

00:25:00.640 And so they they the Puritans were like, oh, well, then we need to not do any of those

00:25:06.700 things at all.

00:25:08.120 Like, I know we'll break the rule sometimes, but broadly, we should try not to do any of

00:25:12.200 those things, which is very different from the the the Catholics came in.

00:25:16.200 And the Catholics had this deontological set where there's some sins and some not sins

00:25:19.780 like sports isn't as high of a sin is, say, like extramarital sex or, you know, music

00:25:26.340 or something like that.

00:25:27.200 Like they have this is a category of sin.

00:25:29.300 This is a category of nonsense.

00:25:30.140 For nerds wondering about the biblical logic behind each of these interpretations, for one

00:25:35.880 interpretation, the one where sexual sins are an ultra big deal and other sins aren't

00:25:40.400 really that important.

00:25:41.320 You could look at quotes like from Corinthians flee for your sexual immorality.

00:25:45.080 All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually sins against

00:25:50.200 their own body.

00:25:51.060 End quote.

00:25:52.000 The problem here is that this is very clearly in context, speaking of prostitution and only

00:25:58.080 prostitution, as the paragraph immediately preceding this line is all about prostitution

00:26:03.400 and why specifically prostitution is bad.

00:26:06.420 Which and we will go over this in a future one of our tracked episodes, I would argue is

00:26:10.060 considered a unique form of sin because it has a chance of bringing an unwanted child

00:26:14.480 into the world.

00:26:15.700 And the sin is the potential of creating that child.

00:26:19.940 And that's what it means to sin against the body.

00:26:21.980 By that, what we mean here is in this part, it talks of two people becoming one body when

00:26:27.020 they have sex.

00:26:27.900 But obviously, two people don't literally become one body when they have sex, except insofar

00:26:33.140 as one person gets pregnant and then they literally do become one body in the form of the child

00:26:39.560 and one spirit in the form of the child, if you look at the lines immediately above it.

00:26:45.140 Whereas alternatively, you can look at lines like, whether therefore you eat or drink or

00:26:50.440 whatever you do all to the glory of God, or, and he died for all, all those who live should

00:26:57.100 no longer live for themselves, but for him who died for them and was raised again, or, and

00:27:03.020 whatsoever you do, do it heartily as to the Lord and not unto men, or, but if you have

00:27:09.180 doubts about whether or not you should eat something, you are sinning if you go ahead

00:27:12.820 and do it, for you are not following your convictions.

00:27:15.620 If you do anything you believe is not right, you are sinning.

00:27:18.780 So in all of these quotes, the basic gist is, is anything that you are not doing for the

00:27:23.960 glory of God is a sin.

00:27:25.460 So if you can't reasonably argue that what you just did, you did for the glory of God,

00:27:29.360 you committed a form of sin.

00:27:30.620 It's not that everything that you're not doing for God is a sin where these two groups

00:27:35.540 broadly believe that, but the backwards people, they related to this very differently.

00:27:39.180 They're like, Oh yeah, all of those things are sin, but like, I'm still human, bro.

00:27:44.360 Like I will try to do good in the moment when it makes sense and aligns with my honor code.

00:27:51.040 But I know that I may as well, like, as long as I'm going to be here and it is not a time

00:27:57.460 when I otherwise could be dedicating myself fully and meaningfully to God.

00:28:01.500 Like they didn't do the constant Bible study and everything like that.

00:28:04.960 They're like, let's party tonight, you know?

00:28:06.440 And they were known by the other people as constantly partying, but also engaging with

00:28:11.980 low culture because of, they saw, you know, hanging out and partying with the bros as an

00:28:18.500 equal sin, you know, having some drinks and doing a jig.

00:28:21.100 And I remember this about my ancestors, there was a time when the Confederacy had captured

00:28:26.480 a number of these anti-Confederacy rebels.

00:28:30.840 And he, he, he came into the Confederate camp and he brought a bunch of booze with him and

00:28:37.520 he got them all drunk and played the fiddle so transfixingly and apparently did a traditional

00:28:44.380 Scottish, like, jig thing so amazingly that they were able to have another guy sneak around

00:28:52.020 and free all of the prisoners while the Confederate guards were distracted by my great, great, great

00:28:58.000 grandfather.

00:28:59.500 And I love this because it's so like a, a trickster God sort of a thing to do from like

00:29:03.660 an old basil or something like that.

00:29:05.160 But that was the type of people they were, you know?

00:29:07.560 It was, we've got to do what's right.

00:29:08.980 We've got to do what fits our honor.

00:29:10.520 But, you know, sometimes a jig can be a part of that.

00:29:13.020 Sometimes drinking can be a part of that, you know, uh, so they, they can play a role

00:29:18.240 in an honorable life.

00:29:19.260 Now, what this means is because they didn't distinguish between different types of sin,

00:29:23.380 they would actually see the higher culture forms of sin as a higher form of a sin than

00:29:29.480 the lower culture forms of a sin, because there you are mixing.

00:29:32.980 And I've mentioned this in previous episode, one sin, which is just the general sin of doing

00:29:37.400 something not for God, but with the sin of pride.

00:29:40.740 And, and, you know, like you would get from an art museum or something like that.

00:29:43.880 But then you're also, in addition to that, doing something that's just like objectively

00:29:47.020 stupid, because now if you're engaging with high culture, you likely have something that's

00:29:51.220 worth stealing to other people.

00:29:52.980 Again, don't engage with that stuff, right?

00:29:55.640 You know, so there was a number of reasons that they felt this way.

00:29:57.800 But anyway, uh, in, in the Midlands area where the, where the Quakers controlled everything,

00:30:02.860 they were, they, they were the under, they didn't run any of the businesses.

00:30:07.040 They didn't run any of the politics, but in the areas that they fully controlled, it

00:30:10.600 was a different situation in the areas that they fully controlled.

00:30:13.680 You could get some like local sort of gang leaders who would end up ruling a district due

00:30:20.660 to like how many siblings they had and how much honor they had was in their culture.

00:30:25.100 But you wouldn't get tons of lawyers and teachers and doctors and competent politicians.

00:30:34.900 And so where did they get those people from?

00:30:37.480 Well, it's the story of the Paxman boys points it out.

00:30:39.780 So they had come, they were besieging Philadelphia.

00:30:42.680 So these rural immigrant groups, like I'm mad at him.

00:30:44.720 What immigrant group in the United States is literally besieging with guns and having

00:30:49.080 murdered people in a major U.S. city?

00:30:52.460 These people were like a don't mess with me sort of thing.

00:30:54.620 So the guy who ended up bailing Philadelphia out because the Quakers had their heads up

00:30:59.380 their butts and couldn't handle anything was Puritan Ben Franklin.

00:31:03.800 So he ended up being able to make a negotiation with them that ended up saving the Quakers of

00:31:09.560 Pennsylvania.

00:31:10.180 I think they couldn't defend themselves well either because they'd never really done the

00:31:13.620 military stuff.

00:31:15.100 And I should note that these people actually went to war with a number of the other settlements.

00:31:18.960 It wasn't just the Quakers.

00:31:19.800 They also went to war with the Tidewater peoples.

00:31:22.260 These were the peoples who were the sons of the Cavaliers to the south, like around the

00:31:26.540 sort of D.C. area and stuff like that.

00:31:28.560 So they would regularly go to war against the other colonists when the other colonists would

00:31:32.340 abuse them too much.

00:31:33.420 So the Puritans actually worked very well with them.

00:31:36.300 Like these two cultures went together while the Quakers were sort of oil and water with

00:31:40.760 them.

00:31:40.920 These people who didn't believe in war.

00:31:42.440 These people who were from a fundamentally different religious framework.

00:31:45.740 The Puritans were basically their religious framework.

00:31:49.000 They just expressed it differently.

00:31:51.580 They didn't want to take stuff, right?

00:31:55.800 Like they didn't like showing off their wealth so they could live in these communities safely.

00:32:00.180 Here I'd also note, if you remember earlier, I said that the Puritans would intentionally

00:32:04.660 build settlements in areas where it was hard to farm, either that were colder or that had

00:32:09.880 lots of rocks in the field because they liked intentionally opting into hardship, thinking that it sort of

00:32:15.760 purified their soul, they felt very comfortable moving into regions that anyone else would say

00:32:21.500 were dangerous or that you shouldn't move into this region.

00:32:24.440 You know, a Quaker might say, well, we shouldn't move out there because these people might kill us.

00:32:29.560 Whereas a Puritan would say, these people might kill us.

00:32:32.800 Therefore, we should move out there.

00:32:34.960 They were hardworking.

00:32:37.240 They like to put themselves in hard environments, which won them honor points among these people.

00:32:41.320 They just got along very well.

00:32:44.660 And so a number of the Puritans ended up migrating into these communities and forming this sort of like

00:32:52.520 learned elite roles, like the lawyers, the doctors, the entrepreneurs and stuff like that

00:32:58.880 within these communities enough so that they could get a bit of a society.

00:33:02.280 And here we should talk about what these societies ended up looking like.

00:33:05.200 They built these societies.

00:33:06.460 They had a few different breakaway states at points, but the main one was the, I'll call it

00:33:10.760 the regulator state.

00:33:11.820 So they had like a local martial role that was called a regulator.

00:33:16.140 And this individual would apply clan-like justice.

00:33:19.760 Well, actually, it was called lynching, named after a guy named Lynch.

00:33:23.300 For more color here, the term Lynch mob came after a man with the name Charles Lynch,

00:33:29.300 a Virginia planter and justice of the peace during the American Revolution.

00:33:32.960 Charles Lynch headed an irregular court that punished loyalists, and his actions gave rise

00:33:38.020 to the term Lynch's law, which referred to the extrajudicial punishment of individuals

00:33:43.200 without formal legal proceedings.

00:33:45.080 Although there is a claim that William Lynch, another Virginia planter of the same era, was

00:33:49.520 associated with the term.

00:33:50.560 It was a system of justice where when one person would do something bad, you would go into their

00:33:54.480 community and you would lynch them.

00:33:56.040 And that was what the regulators did to police their communities.

00:34:00.360 And they were needed to police their communities because the local governments were not policing

00:34:03.960 their communities.

00:34:04.900 And they actually ended up, when the 13 colonies were sending all their delegates down, they

00:34:09.020 elected their own delegate to go down as a separate, you call it sort of shadow country,

00:34:14.940 because nobody else recognized them as a non-ruled over part of the United States, but they

00:34:19.900 genuinely were.

00:34:21.300 Basically, separate colony was a separate legal system.

00:34:24.020 Okay, so for clarification here, the regulator movement had been put down before this event

00:34:30.340 happened.

00:34:31.180 This was sort of a successor government to them that was much less formal than the full

00:34:35.820 regulator movement government was.

00:34:38.160 And for anyone looking for more information on this stuff, this is all covered in American

00:34:41.540 Nations.

00:34:42.220 So just go read that book.

00:34:44.260 The core thing that I am discussing here that differs from what's accounted in American

00:34:48.260 nations is the integration of the Puritan culture into the backwoods culture, which he

00:34:54.220 doesn't go that deep into.

00:34:55.360 So any thoughts on this before I go into what happened to the Puritans who didn't meld with

00:35:00.240 this culture?

00:35:01.260 No, keep it going.

00:35:02.640 Okay, so the Puritans who meld with this culture, I'll talk a little about what happened to them

00:35:06.340 and their ethical system.

00:35:07.120 They began to adopt more of the ethical system that this culture had in its relationship to

00:35:12.600 sin.

00:35:12.820 So they stayed really, really obsessed with education, but they became a lot less obsessed

00:35:19.260 with technical correctness and consequentialism and everything like that and the elect and

00:35:25.680 all that.

00:35:25.940 But they became a lot less obsessed with, you have to follow every rule perfectly.

00:35:31.100 It was more of like, they began to, I guess, sort of understand, I would guess I'd call it

00:35:35.940 the party lifestyle of these people and the everything to an extreme lifestyle of these people.

00:35:41.840 And formed this sort of, I guess you could say, like, Braveheart-like cultural class.

00:35:46.140 Like you see in the Braveheart movie where they're like, well, we need some people in

00:35:48.640 this clan-based system to be extremely educated and know tons of languages and be obsessed

00:35:52.420 with education.

00:35:53.560 And that was sort of the role that they filled.

00:35:55.440 And you actually see this from my ancestors.

00:35:57.420 If you've ever read about the Free State of Jones movement?

00:36:00.360 One of the 15 of my ancestors who was involved and had the most senior position was in the

00:36:04.820 movement was Jasper Collins.

00:36:06.480 He's actually the reason why we know about the movement to begin with, because he wrote the

00:36:10.400 primary book on the movement.

00:36:11.940 Also, as a quick addition here, because I had forgot this, but I was just double-checking

00:36:15.960 this information, that Jasper named his first son Ulysses Sherman Collins.

00:36:22.300 You got to understand, in the Antebellum South, naming your first son Ulysses Sherman College

00:36:27.360 today would be like naming your kid Hitler Mao Collins.

00:36:31.600 But he's the guy in the movie who's always doing stuff like trying to write a constitution

00:36:35.020 for them and trying to write a set of laws and trying to write philosophical treaties

00:36:40.200 for them.

00:36:40.640 Now, obviously, a lot of the people in this were related to my family, but that was like

00:36:43.080 the patriarch of that local region, who was Jasper Collins, was who it was.

00:36:47.940 Because that was what they did with these people.

00:36:49.380 They would help them in their rebellions.

00:36:51.020 And they'd be like, hey, guys, guys, guys, I got a legal system that we can use.

00:36:54.940 And I got these like religious arguments for why we're doing this.

00:36:57.620 And I got this.

00:36:58.400 You can think of them as the helpful nerd.

00:37:00.080 Um, these communities, um, they, they were never like leader leader, but they were the

00:37:07.240 leader's guy who helped the leader actually get shit done.

00:37:10.120 And they were okay with that because to take the leadership position in a way would be a

00:37:13.260 sign of sin because that would just show you wanted power for yourself.

00:37:15.440 And so it worked very, very well with these two cultures work together.

00:37:19.080 Even today, I've noted that people from the Puritan cultural class work really well with

00:37:24.940 the backwoods people.

00:37:26.180 And I think that this often surprises people from coastal cities where they're like, oh,

00:37:32.040 the, the backwoods people would see nothing in common with you.

00:37:34.600 They'd hate all of your weird views.

00:37:37.160 And I think that this shows a misunderstanding of the way the backwood culture works now or

00:37:41.780 the way it worked historically.

00:37:43.360 Remember the backwoods people were the first ones to pick up like Indian ways of doing things

00:37:47.460 and stuff like that.

00:37:48.160 They don't have a lot of prejudice against people of different cultural practices or really

00:37:54.080 see things as quote unquote weird.

00:37:57.060 They're more just concerned about being able to get by and live their life and support their

00:38:02.680 family and then their wider network and not being looked down upon.

00:38:07.480 Issues about like cultural purity and stuff like that are not really important to them,

00:38:13.480 except when it feels to them that another cultural clan is encroaching on their territory.

00:38:18.260 And then to the Puritans, there's never really been a high amount of class judgment of people

00:38:23.460 outside the Puritan network within Puritan groups.

00:38:26.940 So I think, you know, some people here are like, oh, you'd never get along with like an

00:38:30.600 average American, Malcolm.

00:38:31.840 Somebody said this after one of our other videos.

00:38:33.780 And I'm like, you know that like the people who care for our kids every day and who we're

00:38:39.480 in business with, like the core people we're in business with are, you know, face tattoos

00:38:44.280 and run a landscaping company, right?

00:38:47.220 Like the, we get along very well with average Americans and average Americans, at least

00:38:52.660 of this Appalachian cultural group, get along very well with us because we're just not very

00:38:57.980 judgmental people.

00:38:59.140 And I've actually noticed they get along uniquely well from us in the Pennsylvania area when

00:39:03.500 I contrast it with Texas.

00:39:05.580 And I think the core reason is that in Pennsylvania, the upper class people in Pennsylvania really look

00:39:12.240 down on middle-class Pennsylvanians and like lower middle-class Pennsylvanians and in Texas

00:39:18.500 where I grew up, that just wasn't the case.

00:39:21.500 Like George Bush, for example, clearly didn't look down on middle-class Americans in the

00:39:26.580 same way I see people in like the main line do.

00:39:29.220 But then the Puritan Puritans.

00:39:30.740 Well, why did the Puritan Puritans die out?

00:39:33.380 And they mostly died out in the 1800s.

00:39:35.720 And there are three reasons why they died out.

00:39:37.800 Do you have any thoughts before I want to go further, someone?

00:39:39.760 Mm-mm.

00:39:40.660 Okay.

00:39:42.240 So, reason number one, and by far, far, far the biggest reason, the Catholic immigrant

00:39:48.380 ways.

00:39:49.020 They were mostly just displaced by the Catholics.

00:39:51.560 And when I say displaced, I mean displaced, not like killed or replaced.

00:39:56.720 Specifically, they migrated out to either the backwoods regions or the West or, you know,

00:40:04.280 Mormon territory.

00:40:05.600 There were a lot of places that they migrated to around the frontier areas.

00:40:09.640 But they mostly just kept moving to wherever was one of the hardest places to live in America

00:40:15.140 because that was part of their culture was to seek out intentional hardship and not have

00:40:21.180 any aspersion that they may be benefiting from any form of nepotism or family reputation.

00:40:27.800 I mean, my family has actually done this for a few generations where almost everyone in

00:40:31.140 my family has started their first company in another country.

00:40:34.240 Like, you consider me, I got my first big job in Korea and then the first company that

00:40:39.800 we ran was in Peru.

00:40:41.240 And now I feel comfortable working in the U.S. because, you know, I've sort of proven that

00:40:44.400 my success wasn't due to any form of nepotism.

00:40:48.120 But that was a really important thing was in this Puritan cultural group.

00:40:52.300 But it also meant that it was very natural for them to be displaced.

00:40:56.340 What I mean by that is it didn't require much of a push or much of a culture change to get

00:41:02.700 them to leave their previous cultural strongholds like Boston.

00:41:05.860 I mean, if you look in like it's recently in 2009, for example, the Puritan stronghold was

00:41:11.060 Boston.

00:41:11.580 Yet in 2009, over 50 percent of Massachusetts was still Catholic.

00:41:15.520 Like, that's wild.

00:41:17.540 Like, how much do you think was Puritan descendants?

00:41:19.540 Very small.

00:41:20.780 Yeah, a lot of Americans, 13 percent or so were descendants from the Mayflower, but they

00:41:23.780 didn't keep their culture intact.

00:41:25.400 So the independent Puritan cultural clusters just mostly died or became narrower and narrower

00:41:33.140 in focus and more and more like out there cultish regions.

00:41:38.100 Like this is where you had like the Kellogg's and stuff like that, where they would have

00:41:41.280 these insane diets and everything like that.

00:41:43.140 Yeah.

00:41:43.220 And what were the Puritans actually marked by?

00:41:47.420 Because I think a lot of people misunderstand the Puritans because the Quakers basically

00:41:51.220 historically went and whitewash history and pretended the Puritans were the Quakers and

00:41:54.340 the Quakers were the Puritans because they weren't.

00:41:55.760 The Puritans were incredibly pro-sex.

00:41:57.440 They were so pro-sex that I'll be in seeded even talks about this.

00:42:00.780 Their writings were not de-censored until the 20th century.

00:42:04.460 They just were extremely strict about when you could have sex and when you couldn't have

00:42:08.360 sex.

00:42:08.660 They were sex positive within marriage, we'll say.

00:42:11.240 It was in marriage, yeah.

00:42:12.840 But they were also like 100% about everything.

00:42:17.000 Like they would never go anywhere without running.

00:42:19.260 They would, you know, the people would come in and be like, they were always rocking in

00:42:23.040 their rocking chair.

00:42:24.360 They were like full of energy about life and about everything.

00:42:28.740 Just 120% about absolutely everything in every conceivable way.

00:42:34.300 Very intense people, yes.

00:42:37.060 Yeah, they were very intense people.

00:42:38.780 They were also very about sort of intellectual stoicism and a performative intellectual stoicism.

00:42:46.540 And this performative intellectual stoicism is another thing that ended up killing them.

00:42:50.460 They had an internal cultural hierarchy that was in part based on being able to show you

00:42:56.420 were more humble than your neighbor.

00:42:58.020 And this, in a way, creates a form of inverse humility where they would do these ridiculous,

00:43:03.780 I'll put on a skit here with some people doing this so you can see like what it ended up

00:43:08.160 looking like.

00:43:09.120 But it was ridiculous.

00:43:09.940 It was ridiculous.

00:43:10.620 I'm more humble than you.

00:43:11.540 I'm more humble than you.

00:43:12.440 I'm more humble than you.

00:43:13.420 Oh, look at how crazy humble this thing I just did was.

00:43:15.500 Those who caught when the sun descends caught the devil's design for certain.

00:43:20.600 Ah, yes.

00:43:21.340 I could not agree more.

00:43:22.480 How dare you express enjoyment.

00:43:24.780 My deepest apologies.

00:43:25.900 Your shoes are quite sensible.

00:43:27.740 They are four sizes too small.

00:43:29.060 The pain purifies my predilection for pleasure.

00:43:32.000 Your alliteration sounds dangerously like poetry.

00:43:35.600 My apologies.

00:43:37.140 Strike me silence.

00:43:39.460 Now, obviously, this is a comedy sketch and not reality.

00:43:42.600 But I think it shows why you cannot have a whole community dedicated to a dominance hierarchy

00:43:50.460 around humility.

00:43:52.700 Because when the entire dominance hierarchy is based around humility and austerity, people

00:43:57.600 just go haywire.

00:43:58.840 But if you mix these people with another group that isn't dedicated to a dominance hierarchy

00:44:03.520 around humility and austerity, then they don't have the same feedback cycle.

00:44:08.320 They can just be like, ah, well, you know, I'm more humble than the average person in

00:44:13.040 my community.

00:44:14.100 And they don't spiral out of control and go extinct.

00:44:16.860 Like, obviously, if you grow up in a culture like this, you're probably not going to want

00:44:20.220 to continue it when there are other options around you.

00:44:23.080 Which is why the Puritans in the more mono-Puritan communities, like you had in New England, mostly

00:44:29.040 went extinct.

00:44:30.200 Also, it's important to note here that when the Catholic immigrants came into New England,

00:44:34.260 they did not mix with the Puritan communities much, in the same way that the Puritan communities

00:44:39.340 mixed with, like, the backwoods people and stuff like that.

00:44:42.160 These communities were much more oil and water.

00:44:44.960 And so there wasn't the ability, like, if you were a town that was half Catholic and

00:44:49.780 half Puritan, and you were a Puritan, 98% of your interactions would be with other Puritans.

00:44:56.660 Whereas if you were a town that was, you know, half Puritan, half backwater, about 50% of

00:45:02.620 your interactions would be with backwater people, 50% would be with Puritans.

00:45:05.940 There wasn't the same amount of antipathy between these two cultural groups or cultural

00:45:10.700 isolation.

00:45:11.900 And a lot of people are like, when they look at the modern cultural groups and they go,

00:45:15.480 who's the descendants of the Puritans?

00:45:17.300 Who has, like, a performative cultural stoicism and is really pro-education?

00:45:23.680 You're looking at, like, the Jordan Petersons of today.

00:45:25.840 That's the descendant culture of the Puritans.

00:45:27.860 Whereas the wokest are the descendant culture of Quakers.

00:45:29.760 We'll get into that in a different video.

00:45:30.800 But there are some still, like, cultural descendants of these Puritans.

00:45:34.940 But mostly, they went extinct.

00:45:36.960 And another thing that was really unique about the Puritan communities was the way their religious

00:45:40.680 worship was set up.

00:45:41.620 Where they set up, like, five churches in a town.

00:45:44.340 And then whichever one was, like, the most charismatic is the one that everyone would

00:45:48.620 go to.

00:45:49.260 It was sort of like early social media.

00:45:51.100 Like, everyone would choose, like, which version.

00:45:52.800 But it meant that you would get, this is what we had with the Great Awakening, just like,

00:45:55.820 these incredibly religiously zelotic people in terms of, like, everything about their

00:46:02.520 life was basically, like, an influencer-based culture of religious charisma and extreme

00:46:09.380 austerity and humility.

00:46:11.780 Now, what you can tell is...

00:46:13.880 Aggressive virtue signaling to a certain extent.

00:46:16.900 Yes.

00:46:17.760 Is this then led to...

00:46:19.760 Now, we should talk about how the Puritans' virtue signal, because it's very different

00:46:22.480 from the way the Quakers...

00:46:23.420 The Quakers would virtue signal with, like, big displays.

00:46:26.360 Like, if they were anti-animal cruelty, they'd, like, throw themselves on the dog track and,

00:46:31.580 like, roll around and yell about stuff.

00:46:33.660 Very, like, modern woke people do, right?

00:46:36.360 With Puritans, it wasn't like that at all.

00:46:38.140 It was all, like, you weren't even really supposed to show, necessarily, how humble you

00:46:42.440 were being, because that could be seen as not being humble enough.

00:46:45.420 It was...

00:46:45.660 Very was in your culture, and very was in your towns.

00:46:48.360 You just didn't want bad things happening within your towns.

00:46:49.900 You didn't care about what the people outside your towns or outside your culture would do.

00:46:53.580 Where was I going?

00:46:54.460 How they died out.

00:46:55.380 Yes.

00:46:55.720 So the second thing that led to them dying out was this zealotry just...

00:47:00.560 As secularization began, it didn't do a good job of intergenerationally passing to

00:47:05.320 the next generation.

00:47:06.060 It was a very not-cool thing for kids.

00:47:09.720 This can be all well and good for, you know, a few groups of, like, zealotic adults.

00:47:14.060 But if you're a kid growing up in one of these cultures, and the adult's like, well, you

00:47:17.500 should just be ultra-religion because it's, like, the coolest thing ever!

00:47:20.700 A lot of kids are like, yeah, but there's, like, easier ways I can do this, right?

00:47:25.060 So that was one reason it really died out.

00:47:27.400 And then when it really died out in the 1800s was the rise of the evangelical movement.

00:47:32.820 They did a very good job of converting out of these communities.

00:47:36.980 Well, because it was still very religiously extra.

00:47:39.880 It was still very high energy, but it was better, I think, at spreading.

00:47:45.560 Puritanism didn't spread very well.

00:47:47.520 Well, it didn't have as many rules.

00:47:49.580 It was just, like, a simpler message.

00:47:51.360 It was a related message which could sell to these people, but it didn't have all of the rules.

00:47:57.760 And so the Puritans would join these communities, often keep the rules for one generation, but

00:48:01.940 then their kids would grow up without them, and they'd be like, look, this performative

00:48:05.240 austerity, like, I don't see the point.

00:48:06.860 No one else in my church congregation is doing it.

00:48:08.960 And so they'd drop it.

00:48:10.160 And so that ended up dropping that part of the Puritan movement.

00:48:15.360 Another thing to remember about the Puritan movement was the city-on-a-hill mindset, which

00:48:20.220 is we are all going to create a completely new way of creating society, and it will lead to

00:48:25.920 a utopia.

00:48:26.980 Very similar to how the Kibbutz movement died, this played into the Puritan movement.

00:48:31.300 So for people who don't know how the Kibbutz movement died, Kibbutzes were these sort of,

00:48:35.240 like, communist Jewish communes in Israel, and the thing that killed them was actually

00:48:41.380 how successful they ended up being.

00:48:43.100 Many of them turned out to be enormously wealthy in terms of the amount of revenue that they

00:48:48.180 were generating, to the point where when you got one or two generations in, the kids

00:48:53.240 were like, well, I mean, I could just leave with all of this money and then just join a

00:48:58.200 normal conservative Jewish sect.

00:49:00.980 And that happened with many of the Puritan communities, is that they did, in a way, achieve

00:49:05.980 the city-on-the-hill dream, which was an enormous amount of wealth, but people who still lived

00:49:11.000 dedicated to austerity.

00:49:12.240 That's what the Scrooge stereotype was about.

00:49:15.040 You know, as I pointed out, Scrooge didn't spend his wealth on himself.

00:49:18.300 He didn't spend it on things like charity that could be used to sign new virtue to other

00:49:22.740 people.

00:49:23.260 He just hoarded it.

00:49:25.040 But this doesn't end up looking like a city on a hill to outsiders or to an individual's

00:49:30.400 own kids.

00:49:31.160 After a few generations, they're like, wait, wait, wait, so when does the utopia come?

00:49:35.260 And so that also led a lot of people to leave.

00:49:37.240 But this did not affect the backwoods Puritan groups as much because they dropped the practice

00:49:43.560 of wealth accumulation altogether and focus much more on honor accumulation and information

00:49:50.180 accumulation in terms of intergenerational education.

00:49:53.640 For an example of what I mean by that, if you look at my ancestors, every single one of

00:49:58.820 my grandparents, both men and women, had a college degree, which is pretty rare for people

00:50:03.200 of that generation.

00:50:04.000 Another thing that really ended up killing the Puritan movement was, and this is another

00:50:08.800 thing that is hugely forgotten about the Puritan movement, is they were very, very, very pro

00:50:15.480 like science.

00:50:16.540 Like the very, remember I talked about like the multiple churches, like fighting for members

00:50:21.720 and somebody can be like that, that would lead to very interesting religious stuff.

00:50:25.700 Well, the scientific revolution was happening in this period.

00:50:28.680 And a lot of the Puritans, these are the people who tried to like harmonize their Bibles

00:50:33.380 with what was scientifically known at the time.

00:50:36.120 They were a mix of religious extremism, but also pro-science extremism, or at least some

00:50:42.820 sub-factions of them were.

00:50:44.300 This is something that's hugely forgotten about them in terms of the modern stereotype of the

00:50:51.000 Puritan.

00:50:52.000 They can almost be thought of as antithetical to Amish, where they tried to adapt all of

00:50:57.820 the latest technologies and all of the latest scientific perspectives in the most extreme

00:51:03.680 forms possible.

00:51:04.800 Actually, I remember a story about one of my ancestors from this group who lived not far

00:51:09.440 from us here in Pennsylvania, and he built his house so that when you would ride the

00:51:14.800 carriage up to it, there was a plate underneath the front of it, and the plate led to a weight

00:51:20.400 system that would automatically open the doors.

00:51:23.340 And apparently his entire house was full of automated gadgets like this.

00:51:27.480 And this is captured in the Puritan spotting checklist that Scott Alexander did, plus one

00:51:32.960 for a weird classical name, plus three if they have one of these names themselves, extra

00:51:40.200 points if they have an invention, max plus three, at least one, plus three points for one eccentric

00:51:46.500 invention, plus one point if they created anything they gave a classical name to, plus three points

00:51:51.860 if they have achievements in multiple unrelated fields.

00:51:53.900 And that was really important in this Puritan culture, is academic perfection in multiple

00:51:58.740 fields.

00:51:59.540 Plus one, atheist, deist, or free thinker, which is interesting that you would associate that

00:52:03.360 with Puritan, but it really was associated with these communities.

00:52:05.680 They combined sort of an atheism with religiosity.

00:52:08.460 As you could say, obviously, we're culturally descendant of this.

00:52:11.260 Plus one, anti-Catholic.

00:52:12.740 Plus three, wrote a book about their heterodox religious views.

00:52:15.280 Plus three, invented a new religion.

00:52:17.840 Plus three, invented a new Christian heresy.

00:52:19.840 Plus three, obsessed with religious tolerance.

00:52:22.540 Plus one, went to Harvard, Yale, or MIT.

00:52:24.640 Plus one, practiced law.

00:52:26.280 Plus three, in college society with a classical name.

00:52:28.740 Plus one, wrote a really weird book.

00:52:30.360 You can get three points for that.

00:52:31.920 Plus three, founded their own school.

00:52:33.720 A kid very similar to us.

00:52:34.880 Plus three, wrote a list of values.

00:52:36.740 Plus three, had plans to emanestize the eschaton.

00:52:39.640 Plus three, if they were a social reformer.

00:52:41.240 Plus three, if they raged a crusade on an abstract concept.

00:52:44.480 Plus three, if they had ideas that were utopian yet racist.

00:52:47.140 Plus three, if they were inspired by the wisdom of the Far East.

00:52:51.520 Plus three, if they were an abolitionist.

00:52:53.140 Plus one, if they fought for African-American rights in some way.

00:52:56.180 Plus three, if they were famous for philanthropy.

00:52:58.320 Plus three, for prohibition.

00:52:59.680 Plus three, for rabidly anti-war, yet rabidly supported every specific war that happened.

00:53:05.480 And I feel personally attacked by that last one.

00:53:08.240 We're all like, yeah, I'm against war more broadly, but this war just has to be fought.

00:53:12.800 But, so their flirtation with science led them to, even before the wave of Jews who deconverted

00:53:21.380 due to secularization, have a huge deconversion wave due to secularization, when science began

00:53:28.120 to become completely incompatible.

00:53:31.500 Because in these early waves of like the early waves of Darwinism and stuff like that, it

00:53:35.180 wasn't yet completely incompatible.

00:53:36.860 They were trying to find ways to make it more compatible with the older interpretations

00:53:40.500 of the Bible.

00:53:40.980 And they just couldn't, and that ended up pushing away a lot of their kids as well.

00:53:44.960 Because the education aspect and the search for truth aspect, which was a huge part of

00:53:49.880 their culture, ended up mattering more to them than the tradition and the religious aspect.

00:53:54.360 So, thoughts, Simone?

00:53:55.360 Because you haven't talked much of this stuff soon.

00:53:58.140 Is it so terrible for me to love the sound of your voice?

00:54:01.260 I am your wife, after all.

00:54:04.200 There's not much for you to say.

00:54:05.360 Yeah, and I've always found it so absolutely bizarre, this idea that Yankee culture came

00:54:11.420 from Puritan culture, when part of it kind of did, I guess I would say.

00:54:16.860 There are pockets of the old Puritan culture still in New England.

00:54:20.440 And I think you see this in things like the Free State Movement.

00:54:23.160 But definitely not in the governments we have in places like Massachusetts and stuff like

00:54:26.620 that, which are really heavily Catholic influenced.

00:54:28.960 And even the Free State Movement is still like, you know, the state is still heavily

00:54:32.920 sort of Catholic descendant influenced.

00:54:36.380 Oh, also, we can talk about why the Catholics didn't end up moving to the backwoods areas.

00:54:40.520 I can also just add, just as a general to add context, Albion Seed was written to talk

00:54:45.740 about how four foundational waves of immigration from England to the United States had a still

00:54:52.140 lasting impact on our country and its culture.

00:54:55.200 And I think what drove the creation of the book American Nations was that it's not enough

00:55:02.360 to say that just four groups had this impact.

00:55:05.140 And I think the broader point that you're making here is that pretty much every cultural

00:55:10.300 group that spends a non-trivial amount of time in an area with a certain critical mass

00:55:15.220 is going to have a permanent and lasting effect on the culture and governance.

00:55:20.600 I wouldn't agree with that at all.

00:55:22.480 No, really?

00:55:23.500 Okay.

00:55:23.740 No, I'm arguing that some specific cultures had a huge lasting impact.

00:55:29.480 For example, the Asian immigration ways really didn't impact culture that much anywhere that

00:55:35.220 they landed.

00:55:35.820 They didn't integrate with the mainstream society as much and as much their culture didn't

00:55:40.160 really change the cultural tones of those areas.

00:55:42.880 So no, I wouldn't argue that at all.

00:55:45.440 I'm just arguing-

00:55:46.000 I said critical mass.

00:55:47.240 I didn't say all of them.

00:55:49.000 Well, no, but it's not based on numbers.

00:55:50.820 It's based on the time of period they came there, what organizations they were interacting

00:55:56.460 with.

00:55:56.780 Like the key reason why the Catholics ended up affecting the regions they were in so much

00:56:01.640 was their propensity towards engaging with local bureaucracies.

00:56:04.800 And that is why they ended up affecting things so heavily, way more heavily.

00:56:09.860 So if we're looking at people building their intergenerationally durable cultures and they

00:56:14.300 want to build one that as humans go off planet, form new colonies on new planets and on spaceships,

00:56:20.240 they want to be the ones that actually set the tone.

00:56:23.280 What should they be designing or what should they be looking at?

00:56:26.000 Basically, you're saying you should be there at the foundation, at the creation of governance

00:56:30.720 structures.

00:56:31.520 What other factors make a culture have this impact?

00:56:34.220 Why, and this is actually a core thing, why did the Catholics wipe out the Puritans, but

00:56:40.040 they didn't wipe out the backwoods people in terms of their cultural footprint?

00:56:44.860 And the answer is because the backwoods people were in regions the Catholics could not safely

00:56:51.300 live.

00:56:51.640 So the Puritans, once you had cleared all the stones off these initial fields that were

00:56:57.360 hard to work and everything like that, and turned these areas into prosperous areas with

00:57:02.360 big local governments and everything like that, and the Catholic immigration waves came

00:57:06.420 in, and they were really good at bureaucracies that we talked about in our other video on

00:57:11.580 this, they really integrated with the local bureaucracy.

00:57:14.680 They had an easy time settling and not moving into these areas.

00:57:17.720 If you told them to move to these backwood areas, they'd be like, what do you mean?

00:57:21.160 We're like, the Indian clan people war is going on.

00:57:25.880 Why would I move there?

00:57:26.760 That's incredibly dangerous.

00:57:28.120 I'm not going to put my family at that kind of risk.

00:57:30.380 The reason why they didn't move into these areas was because they were incredibly dangerous

00:57:35.820 to live in.

00:57:37.000 And that is something that helps preserve your culture.

00:57:40.000 What fundamentally protected their culture, while all of the three other founding cultures,

00:57:44.920 the Cavaliers, the Quakers, and the Puritans all died out, is because they settled in regions

00:57:51.140 that nobody else wanted to be in.

00:57:53.440 And because of that, they never got wiped out.

00:57:58.020 And this is what I would take away from the backwoods people.

00:58:00.800 There is a huge cultural value in attempting to settle cultural niches where other people

00:58:07.120 don't want to live, or people without your value system are going to not want to live.

00:58:11.880 Um, you know, for them, it was in part because they were settling on poorer land, but it was

00:58:17.140 in part because they were settling on, they themselves created the hazard of those regions.

00:58:23.640 It was incredibly dangerous to move to those regions if you weren't from one of their cultures.

00:58:27.620 And even if you were from one of their cultures, it was kind of dangerous to live in their regions.

00:58:31.140 But that was part of their culture.

00:58:32.180 I've tried to keep this PG, mostly, but when I say dangerous, you shouldn't misunderstand this as

00:58:39.600 random violence.

00:58:41.740 For example, if you moved to one of these regions, and you had a daughter, and you could not

00:58:48.960 protect your homestead, the clans around would just come and take her.

00:58:53.820 That was a common thing that happened in these regions.

00:58:56.720 And if you couldn't support a blood feud to get her back, then you couldn't really exercise

00:59:02.100 your rights.

00:59:03.440 So we are talking about a form of violence and clan mentality that goes beyond what you

00:59:11.440 might be thinking if your reference point is modern day gang warfare, instead of, oh,

00:59:17.320 the neighbors over there have a nice property, should we take it?

00:59:20.500 Well, they're newcomers, they don't have any friends in the region, and their property isn't

00:59:24.520 really heavily defended, so yeah, we can probably kill them.

00:59:27.120 That mentality, very, very savage.

00:59:29.740 And I also say this because people are like, oh, Malcolm, you're so biased against groups

00:59:34.080 that you aren't descended from, so I need to make sure to present my own group as honestly

00:59:39.220 as possible, because that was very different from the other American groups.

00:59:44.080 Also, this is the final thought I wanted to have before we wrap things up here, is I think

00:59:49.320 people, when they see you and I raising our kids, as most people who really came from these

00:59:56.320 backwoods, you know, you came from like Old Woodland Sheriff family, basically, you know,

01:00:01.180 did they expect our kids, like this large family we're having, to be like these large Mormon

01:00:05.040 families or something like that?

01:00:06.600 You know, they see all these orderly little kids line up, and that's not what they're going

01:00:09.880 to see.

01:00:10.160 Like, if you saw a video of our kids in our house, as you've put it, like the closest thing,

01:00:15.620 because a lot of a person's disposition is heritable.

01:00:19.520 I'm going to play a quick diatribe by Octavian.

01:00:22.040 It's pretty obvious he didn't pick these ideas up from anything that Simone and I are

01:00:27.060 saying, and I think it's also pretty obvious that he didn't pick up these ideas from children's

01:00:31.240 media.

01:00:31.700 So this is probably just a baked-in genetic code that's within both of us that's sort

01:00:37.000 of playing out on loop at his young age.

01:00:40.120 Let the lobsters go, Octavian.

01:00:41.840 What just happened, Octavian?

01:00:42.880 Did you see them swim away?

01:00:44.500 Yeah.

01:00:45.620 You see?

01:00:46.200 Now they're all going home to their families.

01:00:48.480 I hope I can catch all the families in those buckets.

01:00:53.880 I love you.

01:00:55.060 I just want the lobsters to die and the families, too.

01:01:00.160 Wait, you want the lobsters and their families to die?

01:01:02.840 Yeah.

01:01:03.360 Wait, so you let them go so that they could go to their families, and then we could find

01:01:07.120 their families to catch them?

01:01:08.460 Yeah.

01:01:09.540 Okay, let's get all the lobsters to die.

01:01:13.920 I hurt things that hurt me.

01:01:17.760 Okay?

01:01:19.020 Oh, that's how you feel?

01:01:20.740 Yeah.

01:01:21.480 Sometimes, if you're a lot bigger than something, it doesn't matter that it hurt you.

01:01:25.580 You just have to say it's not as smart as you, so it's okay.

01:01:29.460 Is that okay if I catch all the family and the kids?

01:01:37.320 And then what are you going to do if you catch the family and the kids?

01:01:39.720 I will get them to die.

01:01:42.000 And then they're friends, too?

01:01:45.360 Yeah.

01:01:46.020 And I just want to catch one.

01:01:50.160 Well, if I don't, I want to destroy all lobsters, not fish.

01:01:56.320 Oh, I'm going to die the lobster.

01:01:58.360 Oh, so you don't want to hurt the fish?

01:02:00.500 No.

01:02:01.760 I'm not going to let them do that.

01:02:04.240 I don't hate fish.

01:02:05.480 Has a lobster ever hurt you?

01:02:08.800 Yes.

01:02:10.340 I don't think so.

01:02:11.900 A lobster hurt me until 100 ppm.

01:02:16.820 Okay?

01:02:18.000 Oh, giving me some timelines here.

01:02:20.220 I was going by myself.

01:02:22.460 Was your car?

01:02:24.160 So you were driving my car one day, and a lobster attacked you?

01:02:29.560 Yeah.

01:02:30.580 And it hurt me.

01:02:32.020 It hurt to me when I was using the bus.

01:02:35.380 And I caught my computer, and they didn't know it for me.

01:02:38.860 And then I did not go to hurt.

01:02:41.080 By lobsters.

01:02:42.120 But I'm like, this is something to kill to lobsters.

01:02:45.880 A pangal.

01:02:47.300 Wait, what kills lobsters?

01:02:49.340 Pangal.

01:02:50.440 It kills lobsters.

01:02:51.580 This is actually a really fascinating diatribe to sort of break down,

01:02:56.260 because I think it gives a good eye into the way these types of people thought about things.

01:03:02.220 If you note, he divides the world into things that might hurt him and things that might not hurt him.

01:03:08.880 Fish are in the category that won't hurt him.

01:03:11.280 Lobsters are in the category that might hurt him.

01:03:13.680 He hates the things that might hurt him.

01:03:15.940 And they must die, and their kids must die, and their families and friends must die.

01:03:19.960 Okay?

01:03:20.200 And then also, when I try to be like, well, but I don't think any of them have hurt you specifically,

01:03:26.640 he fabricates evidence.

01:03:28.400 Obviously, he wasn't driving my car by himself,

01:03:30.920 so I'm pretty sure Lobster did not attack him while he was in the car,

01:03:35.280 driving it by himself without me there.

01:03:38.160 And I think that this was probably fairly common in the backwood regions at this time.

01:03:42.300 They categorized different groups they were interacting with as the type of people that might hurt them,

01:03:47.040 in the type of people that might not hurt them, and they're good guys if they might not hurt them,

01:03:51.660 and they must kill them.

01:03:52.660 But they're everyone they've ever met if they're the type of person who might hurt them.

01:03:55.980 So, in part, this is just a hereditable part of our kids, but in part, it's because of how we raise our kids.

01:04:00.860 The way that these people historically raise their kids, and the way that I was taught to raise my kids,

01:04:05.520 is our goal is to stoke the fire of ambition and life within them as much as possible.

01:04:11.560 You know, teach them about honor.

01:04:13.100 You know, you see this in the song, He's Mine, which I'll play some clips of here.

01:04:18.180 But in it, he comes from this cultural group as well.

01:04:33.760 It's a country song where he's proud of his kid for violating rules and pushing boundaries.

01:04:39.760 The kid still gets punished, right?

01:04:41.320 Like, the kid gets taught, you know, shooting bottles down in a holler,

01:04:44.520 and then he brings over, and he's like, he's mine, like, he's so proud that his kid was the one who broke the rules.

01:04:49.240 Doesn't mean the kid doesn't get punished.

01:04:50.300 Our kids still get punished, but we're proud of them for breaking rules.

01:04:52.700 And that's part of why we do the punishment in the way we do, right?

01:04:56.020 And, you know, later in the song, the reason why, it's showing why do you have this?

01:04:59.220 I'd also note that this is where this cultural group is quite different than, like, say, the Andrew Tate cultural group.

01:05:17.200 Because something that was always made very clear to me growing up and is repeated in this song

01:05:21.980 is the honor comes from the fact that he is both standing up to the system,

01:05:26.280 but also challenging and winning against somebody who is larger and stronger than he is.

01:05:32.460 There isn't any honor in just being stronger than someone and beating up or fighting somebody who is weaker than you.

01:05:39.920 The second point is the song also here in the next line I'm going to show makes the point of why do you do this?

01:05:45.200 Why do you encourage rebellion even when it's against you?

01:05:49.460 And it's because you can't turn rebellion on and off.

01:05:52.160 If you have this rebellious stand-up-to-authority mindset, you need to always encourage it.

01:05:58.260 You can't hope that the kid's just able to turn it on and off whenever they feel like it.

01:06:03.020 You can't turn it off like electricity.

01:06:06.560 Because then, when the authority and everyone else is saying you shouldn't do something,

01:06:10.320 and, you know, a big kid's picking on a little kid, you know he's going to be the first to stand up for that little kid.

01:06:14.440 Because he understands, like, this cultural consequentialism.

01:06:17.040 And I've actually seen this from you, Simone, in a few things you do in terms of raising our kids.

01:06:20.900 Recently, our kids told something.

01:06:23.580 And your lesson to him was he got punished because he got caught.

01:06:28.380 And you made that very clear to him.

01:06:30.320 Another instance of this happening recently was she told Octavian to stay in bed,

01:06:35.220 or he wouldn't get, I don't know, some treat or something like that.

01:06:38.140 And then she could see on the camera that he was running all around.

01:06:40.640 But when she came downstairs, he was back in bed.

01:06:43.880 And he asked her, mischievous, he's like, I've been staying in bed, right?

01:06:48.040 You didn't see me out of bed?

01:06:49.300 And she's like, no, I didn't see you out of bed.

01:06:50.660 So she gave him the treat.

01:06:51.620 As she said to me, if he grows up thinking that people don't lie and society doesn't lie,

01:06:56.460 and that's not the way that he relates to the world,

01:06:58.940 when they think they can get away with it,

01:07:00.980 he's going to get absolutely gooned on by society.

01:07:04.780 Actually, we have some friends who have this rule of never, ever lying to their children.

01:07:08.080 And she's like, oh my God, those kids are going to end up being so taken advantage of

01:07:12.460 when they hit the real world.

01:07:13.800 But this isn't necessarily true.

01:07:16.300 It is a cultural hypothesis.

01:07:18.060 And this is the thing about the way different cultures relate to their kids.

01:07:21.440 She would see learning to never, ever deceive authority,

01:07:26.240 or learning that authority will never deceive you,

01:07:28.540 ends up putting the kid in a weaker position.

01:07:30.700 Whereas other people are like, no,

01:07:32.360 the relationship between a kid and their parents are sacred.

01:07:35.140 And they don't understand that this is a cultural take, not an absolutist take.

01:07:39.400 That is such a backwoods, like ethical style for a kid.

01:07:44.420 Or my mom, you know, when I told on a kid at school and she goes,

01:07:47.600 you know, why, why'd you do that?

01:07:48.980 Like, that's what a pussy would do.

01:07:50.400 I was like, well, the kid was, you know, picking on another kid.

01:07:52.500 And she goes, that's what your fists are for.

01:07:53.620 Like, I'm supposed to.

01:07:54.280 And I was like, well, I'll get in trouble.

01:07:55.120 And she'd be like, good.

01:07:55.840 Like, that's a sign of honor.

01:07:57.320 Or what was another case?

01:07:58.600 Well, so our kids will get in fights over toys.

01:08:00.940 And Simone will go up to them and tell the big one,

01:08:04.420 you need to wait until he gets bored of the toy and then snatch it from him

01:08:08.540 and put it somewhere where he can't see it.

01:08:10.480 You have to be sneaky.

01:08:12.560 And so to me, it's good.

01:08:13.320 And he goes, oh.

01:08:14.380 He's like, I want the thing that my little brother has.

01:08:16.840 And so I was like, what do you need to be?

01:08:17.940 And he goes, oh, I need to be sneaky.

01:08:20.120 And so then he'll like, go get another toy and like pretend.

01:08:22.380 Sneaky and smart, he says.

01:08:23.840 It's so sweet.

01:08:24.500 And then the younger sibling will get tired of playing with the toy,

01:08:28.980 discard it somewhere.

01:08:30.000 And Octavian will come up to me with that toy and be like,

01:08:33.140 can you put this in my bed for me?

01:08:35.080 But not only that, so you've got these like Mormon families

01:08:39.220 where all these kids like follow the rules and everything like that.

01:08:41.660 And then this one depiction of a Mormon family,

01:08:43.460 I think it's much more similar to like my childhood

01:08:45.120 and much more similar to this backcountry style,

01:08:46.840 which is the one from Stranger Things.

01:08:48.560 And I'm going to see if I can find this,

01:08:49.940 where it's just like a complete loud house.

01:08:52.200 And people have seen my kids in the video.

01:08:53.340 They know that like recreationally,

01:08:56.100 he'll like climb behind me here and start kicking me in the face

01:08:59.300 or try to climb on top of me while I'm doing something

01:09:02.380 and punch at me or,

01:09:04.140 and their favorite thing is being like punched and thrown.

01:09:07.920 And this is also why, like, I don't, like, I thought the bot thing was so weird

01:09:33.120 because I'm like, I hurt my kid so much more than that in things that are recreational for them

01:09:38.980 in terms of like kid roughhousing.

01:09:41.240 You don't hurt, you don't injure them.

01:09:43.200 You just roughhouse with them.

01:09:45.140 Well, yeah.

01:09:45.940 I mean, but we do a lot of like punching and stuff.

01:09:48.940 Yeah, there's a lot more rough and tumble going on in terms of fun.

01:09:52.940 But that's, I mean, that is how pain works, right?

01:09:55.700 You know, if you're being whipped by a schoolteacher nun

01:10:01.440 and you're not very thrilled about it,

01:10:03.440 and yet then you're being whipped by a partner in like a BDSM scenario,

01:10:07.560 the same exact impact on your body using the same exact tool

01:10:13.280 can feel very different depending on the context.

01:10:15.980 Well, it's also a context of,

01:10:19.040 and this is another interesting thing that we do as parenting,

01:10:20.920 which I think is really different from the other influencer families,

01:10:23.880 is we have like strict rules against ever punishing our kids

01:10:26.800 for being too high energy or too happy.

01:10:29.780 And I think that a lot of parents, like, they can be like,

01:10:32.200 I don't do that.

01:10:33.240 Think about it.

01:10:34.700 I've seen a lot of parents do this.

01:10:36.380 A kid's just being too loud or running around too much.

01:10:39.280 And the parent's like, can you just calm down?

01:10:42.140 And I remember growing up, like, never do that to a kid.

01:10:44.660 Never get a kid to calm down because our goal in parents

01:10:47.680 is to throw wood on that fire of excitement for life

01:10:52.460 and engaging with the world.

01:10:54.640 And so while we do punish them,

01:10:55.940 we don't punish them ever for being too excited

01:10:58.380 to engage with the world.

01:11:00.540 And so I think it's going to lead to,

01:11:02.160 if we ever do get a reality show on us

01:11:04.160 or cameras in the house,

01:11:05.500 people are going to be like,

01:11:06.120 wow, these are very different from other influencer kids.

01:11:08.380 These kids are wild.

01:11:10.340 Actually, it reminds me, I'll post the pictures.

01:11:12.200 Well, I don't know if I can

01:11:13.120 because the kids are in their underwear in the pictures.

01:11:15.440 But there were these scary pictures last night

01:11:17.100 where Simone said goodnight to the baby in the crib.

01:11:20.780 And then-

01:11:21.260 Through a camera that we have mounted there.

01:11:23.680 Yeah.

01:11:23.920 And then what happens, Simone?

01:11:25.580 Well, then all the kids get immediately extremely hyper.

01:11:29.120 Everyone crawls into our infant's crib

01:11:32.700 and everyone just-

01:11:34.260 They start grabbing the camera,

01:11:36.540 staring at it and laughing maniacally.

01:11:39.080 And it looks terrifying.

01:11:41.480 They're all like jumping and pushing each other.

01:11:44.260 They've entered like a cage match in the baby's room.

01:11:46.580 Yeah, it looks like a cage match.

01:11:48.080 And of course, it's a night vision camera.

01:11:50.420 So the way that the contrast comes out,

01:11:52.640 they look freaking terrifying.

01:11:54.220 Like with like black-eyed monsters.

01:11:56.160 It's nightmare fuel.

01:11:57.440 Oh my God.

01:11:57.820 This actually reminds you of this really funny thing

01:12:01.920 of like somebody from a non-clan-based culture

01:12:03.900 entering a clan-based culture.

01:12:05.380 So one of our family members

01:12:06.640 who my kids aren't related to

01:12:08.340 because it's through a marriage

01:12:10.660 is a bit older than them,

01:12:12.320 like four years, five years older than them.

01:12:14.920 And was attempting to sort of watch over them

01:12:17.860 during parts of the family reunion.

01:12:21.080 And the kids,

01:12:24.300 and he's not from one of these clan-based cultures.

01:12:26.200 He's actually from a Catholic family historically.

01:12:28.880 And the kids just absolutely gooned on him.

01:12:32.840 I felt so bad for the kid

01:12:34.640 because this little like five and four-year-old

01:12:38.180 were picking on him relentlessly.

01:12:41.920 And in the way a five or four-year-old would like,

01:12:44.040 you know, he'd be walking towards it,

01:12:45.640 like jump him from behind and knock him over

01:12:48.560 and then start jumping on him.

01:12:49.920 Or he was supposed to like watch them

01:12:51.780 and he'd like run after one

01:12:53.640 and then the other one would run away

01:12:54.960 and then he'd get exhausted.

01:12:56.240 And so they'd just try to like tackle him down.

01:12:58.900 And because there's two of them,

01:13:00.260 they could get away with it.

01:13:01.740 And I just, he was so beleaguered after this

01:13:05.480 because I think that he was just like,

01:13:07.720 just follow the rules, guys.

01:13:09.400 Don't run away, guys.

01:13:10.420 Please stop.

01:13:11.420 Oh no.

01:13:14.500 And I was like, oh God.

01:13:16.120 But you know, I'm proud of them for their energy

01:13:18.780 and like not ever letting up about anything.

01:13:22.540 They weren't like genuinely mean.

01:13:24.560 Like I think he had,

01:13:25.760 he was sort of at his wits end,

01:13:28.420 but I don't think he felt like genuinely picked on,

01:13:31.300 picked on.

01:13:31.940 But it was very clearly like a cultural clash

01:13:35.360 in a way that, you know,

01:13:37.020 it was him versus the little clan of children.

01:13:40.040 And one was clearly just having fun,

01:13:43.420 toying with the person who was supposed

01:13:44.600 to be watching over them.

01:13:45.880 And I felt just so bad.

01:13:48.460 But I also was like,

01:13:49.700 I'm glad that my kids have so much

01:13:51.360 fighting spirit to them.

01:13:54.380 Can't keep them down.

01:13:56.020 Any other anecdotes from our parent raising

01:13:58.160 that you wanted to?

01:14:00.780 Well, we were just discussing last night.

01:14:03.680 Another back country tradition is

01:14:06.000 they sort of coined the term

01:14:07.640 little shits for children.

01:14:09.420 I remember growing up in the Bay Area,

01:14:11.240 hearing that phrase or term and thinking,

01:14:14.600 how could you call a child the little shit?

01:14:17.180 And then I met our children.

01:14:19.180 Like, oh my God.

01:14:19.760 That's what my parents called me growing up.

01:14:21.420 Yeah.

01:14:22.120 Yeah.

01:14:22.360 It is a technical term.

01:14:25.100 They're so little shits,

01:14:26.800 but not all children are little shits.

01:14:29.280 Oh my God.

01:14:29.920 Especially the littlest one.

01:14:32.640 She now that she's developing a personality,

01:14:35.600 absolutely loves hanging with people.

01:14:38.620 She loves to make eye contact

01:14:40.020 while openly defying you.

01:14:41.680 So if you say something like,

01:14:42.940 please don't drop your food on the floor,

01:14:45.060 she'll pick up the messiest scoop of food

01:14:47.180 she possibly can,

01:14:48.840 smile,

01:14:49.940 and just throw it onto the floor

01:14:52.220 while making perfect eye contact.

01:14:54.280 And I think she's probably on the spectrum.

01:14:55.980 She doesn't usually make eye contact.

01:14:57.780 She just makes it

01:14:58.660 when she really wants to piss you off.

01:15:00.200 When she wants to watch you get angry

01:15:03.280 at something she's doing.

01:15:04.980 I love thinking about,

01:15:06.000 we have that Jordan Peterson parenting video

01:15:07.920 where like, you know,

01:15:08.680 the way he did,

01:15:09.220 he parents will,

01:15:09.900 it wouldn't work with our kids.

01:15:11.760 I'll tell you that.

01:15:12.360 Like this whole,

01:15:13.040 I'll just sit in the room with the kid

01:15:14.640 until they eat their food.

01:15:15.760 Break their spirit.

01:15:16.940 Yeah.

01:15:17.260 I'm like, okay, one,

01:15:18.200 my kids would take that

01:15:18.920 as a personal challenge.

01:15:20.500 And two, what are they going to do?

01:15:21.540 They're going to like grab the spaghetti,

01:15:24.340 like put it on their head

01:15:26.340 or like toss it at you.

01:15:28.100 Like there's always a way

01:15:31.220 of creative opposition to any rule.

01:15:34.800 There really is.

01:15:35.360 People can be like,

01:15:35.920 well, I just sit there

01:15:36.720 and then make them do it again.

01:15:38.680 And there's a point where like,

01:15:39.880 they know that they've caused more pain for you

01:15:42.120 than you've caused for them.

01:15:43.180 And then they're like, fine.

01:15:44.200 Okay.

01:15:44.420 I won this dominance battle.

01:15:45.960 I'm out.

01:15:46.300 But like, you can't,

01:15:48.120 what?

01:15:48.840 You don't want to create those situations

01:15:51.000 with kids of this cultural background

01:15:53.520 of I will out willpower you.

01:15:56.940 That's not going to end well.

01:15:58.720 It's just not.

01:15:59.420 Oh God, no.

01:15:59.880 Yeah.

01:16:00.140 You've just got to teach them

01:16:01.600 a good enough honor code

01:16:03.200 and good enough rules

01:16:04.640 before they have the physical will

01:16:06.560 to totally resist you.

01:16:08.640 That's basically the timeline

01:16:10.360 you're working with.

01:16:11.480 I actually remember this.

01:16:13.000 Well, I think that's the difference also

01:16:14.720 between being consequentialist

01:16:17.640 versus deontological.

01:16:19.180 We want our children

01:16:20.260 to come to their own conclusions

01:16:21.880 on what's right.

01:16:23.340 Even if it's not exactly

01:16:24.740 what we would have thought to be correct.

01:16:26.380 We want them to make that

01:16:27.360 on judgment for themselves

01:16:28.300 and we want them to do what's right,

01:16:30.660 not things the way

01:16:31.620 that we want them to be.

01:16:33.020 Whereas I think a lot of parents

01:16:34.540 don't really care

01:16:35.720 that their children develop

01:16:36.680 their own internal morality

01:16:38.020 or make their own decisions.

01:16:39.940 They just want them

01:16:40.660 to follow specific rules

01:16:41.980 and behave in certain ways.

01:16:44.680 Yeah, you're absolutely right about that.

01:16:46.520 Yeah, it's not about the in-state.

01:16:48.540 It's about the,

01:16:49.820 well, and when you say a lot of parents,

01:16:51.240 I'd say a lot of cultures.

01:16:52.500 And it is right for those cultures

01:16:54.520 to act in a way

01:16:55.260 that is in alignment

01:16:55.960 with their cultural values.

01:16:56.940 I mean, keep in mind,

01:16:57.540 they co-evolved

01:16:58.240 with a set of cultural values.

01:16:59.900 They're going to behaviorally

01:17:02.080 and their kids behaviorally

01:17:03.380 are going to relate

01:17:04.320 to punishment techniques

01:17:05.920 and everything like that

01:17:06.800 different from other kids.

01:17:08.200 Like, I don't know

01:17:09.600 if normal non-backwards children

01:17:12.300 are genuinely as rowdy

01:17:13.960 as our kids are.

01:17:15.220 I mean, probably our cultural practices

01:17:17.120 help increase that.

01:17:18.300 I mentioned in another episode,

01:17:19.540 which is probably worth

01:17:20.100 mentioning briefly here,

01:17:20.900 is the incident of my mom

01:17:22.900 where I got in trouble

01:17:24.600 with one of the teachers.

01:17:25.360 And she's like,

01:17:25.800 well, I mean,

01:17:27.220 were you doing

01:17:27.780 what you thought was right?

01:17:28.860 And I was like, yeah.

01:17:29.920 And she goes, well,

01:17:30.540 you know, in the adult world,

01:17:32.180 everybody thinks teachers

01:17:33.100 are like underpaid losers.

01:17:34.740 So don't worry about it.

01:17:36.080 She's an elementary school teacher.

01:17:38.420 Just do what you think

01:17:39.220 is right yourself.

01:17:39.960 But again,

01:17:40.280 that's that very honor

01:17:41.200 code-based culture.

01:17:42.660 Like, do what you believe is right.

01:17:45.020 Ignore the teachers.

01:17:46.560 Which was, yeah,

01:17:47.440 definitely part of that

01:17:48.840 backwoods upbringing

01:17:49.700 and that had soaked

01:17:51.560 into this Puritan culture,

01:17:53.140 which ended up with this,

01:17:54.340 you know,

01:17:54.640 complete Puritan backwoods

01:17:56.140 mix of a culture.

01:17:57.160 I guess I didn't mention

01:17:58.020 this explicitly here,

01:17:59.420 but I thought I had.

01:18:00.680 The core, core reason

01:18:02.160 the backwoods Puritan mix

01:18:04.000 of a culture survived

01:18:05.220 was that it changed

01:18:07.480 its ethical system.

01:18:08.840 Whereas in the Puritan

01:18:10.200 ethical system,

01:18:11.620 everything was a sin

01:18:12.680 and you were supposed

01:18:13.400 to avoid basically everything.

01:18:15.780 In the backwoods ethical system,

01:18:17.660 everything was a sin

01:18:19.220 and you didn't really

01:18:21.300 put sins within a hierarchy.

01:18:23.260 It was just whatever

01:18:24.220 you needed to do

01:18:25.380 to achieve your

01:18:26.160 consequentialist outcome

01:18:27.440 where the consequentialist outcome

01:18:29.080 was what you thought

01:18:29.900 God's broader vision

01:18:31.200 was for you

01:18:31.900 or broader goals

01:18:33.040 for you were.

01:18:34.040 And it was just much easier

01:18:35.600 to follow this,

01:18:37.100 well, honestly,

01:18:37.820 more consequentialist

01:18:38.760 and less deontological

01:18:39.720 ethical system.

01:18:40.640 Absolutely love you, Simone.

01:18:41.880 I've had a joy

01:18:42.460 talking to you today.

01:18:43.300 I'm sorry I kept you so long.

01:18:45.060 And yeah,

01:18:46.220 I'll go get the kids.

01:18:47.920 I love you, Malcolm.

01:18:49.140 I love you too.

01:18:51.720 I really do.

01:18:54.560 I know you do.

01:18:55.620 You show it every single day.

01:18:57.160 You're just the best.

01:18:58.900 And then I can maybe...

01:19:00.100 Did you get the chickens?

01:19:01.440 Yeah, I got the chickens.

01:19:02.600 I handle the professor.

01:19:04.460 I've got it all sorted.

01:19:06.480 I just...

01:19:06.740 You handle just everything.

01:19:08.140 I'll never get over this.

01:19:09.100 Oh, you always tell the reporters

01:19:10.320 I handle so much.

01:19:11.640 You do.

01:19:12.040 Who took Toasty

01:19:13.840 to get his blood work today, Malcolm?

01:19:16.100 Oh, yeah, but...

01:19:17.080 Who woke up

01:19:17.580 and dressed the kids today, Malcolm?

01:19:20.720 I forgot about those things.

01:19:22.360 I guess I never log things

01:19:23.720 in my ledger

01:19:24.300 if I'm doing them.

01:19:25.140 I only, like, mentally log things.

01:19:26.720 I keep a ledger

01:19:27.520 and I keep it 50-50.

01:19:30.800 You don't keep it 50-50.

01:19:32.560 You do everything.

01:19:33.400 I see it.

01:19:34.200 Don't worry.

01:19:34.560 Don't worry.

01:19:35.400 You are the absolute best wife

01:19:37.200 anyone could want.

01:19:38.100 Actually, I wonder,

01:19:38.880 and this is something

01:19:39.280 that we should meditate on.

01:19:40.520 I kind of want to think about this.

01:19:41.800 This backward culture,

01:19:42.740 when I think about it

01:19:43.180 in regards to the way our kids act

01:19:44.340 and the way we parent,

01:19:45.280 that's one thing.

01:19:46.040 It's really interesting.

01:19:47.060 But also in the way

01:19:47.840 that our relationship is structured

01:19:49.620 and, like, our love

01:19:50.860 for each other works

01:19:52.020 is very different.

01:19:53.780 Like, it's based on

01:19:54.800 mutual respect

01:19:56.440 rather than, like,

01:19:57.240 a set of rules

01:19:58.180 about our duties.

01:20:00.080 Consequentialist

01:20:00.440 and not deontological.

01:20:02.340 Yeah.

01:20:03.060 Yeah, true.

01:20:04.280 Because, yeah,

01:20:05.120 damn, do I respect you, Simone,

01:20:07.480 in everything you do.

01:20:08.340 You are such a workhorse.

01:20:09.400 Because we're fighting

01:20:10.140 for the same thing.

01:20:11.940 And not just

01:20:12.700 telling things out.

01:20:14.840 Did you steal something?

01:20:17.240 When we were on vacation,

01:20:19.000 did you steal something?

01:20:20.420 No.

01:20:20.860 But you did do it

01:20:22.600 and you got caught doing it.

01:20:23.920 Yeah.

01:20:24.680 Well, police did not see me.

01:20:27.220 Oh, the police didn't see you.

01:20:29.500 But now you're on camera

01:20:31.040 so the police know

01:20:32.060 that you stole something.

01:20:33.780 No.

01:20:35.220 I don't want the police

01:20:36.720 to get me.

01:20:37.920 Well, they should.

01:20:39.080 Police don't whine.

01:20:40.960 But the police

01:20:41.740 are going to come

01:20:42.180 arrest you now.

01:20:43.400 No.

01:20:44.660 So, how do you explain to them?

01:20:46.320 Why did you break the rules?

01:20:50.360 I have no idea.

01:20:52.660 What's your idea?

01:20:54.000 If I have somebody,

01:20:58.340 some glasses,

01:20:59.840 then the police

01:21:01.980 will not know I am me.

01:21:04.540 Okay.

01:21:04.920 How about this?

01:21:05.380 You can wear daddy's glasses.

01:21:07.220 Okay.

01:21:07.660 Do you think

01:21:08.100 you're safe now?

01:21:09.820 Yes.

01:21:10.540 Are you safe

01:21:11.080 from the police?

01:21:12.080 Yeah.

01:21:12.920 They're not going to catch you?

01:21:14.480 Hold on.

01:21:15.020 I got to get away.

01:21:16.620 But I need this

01:21:17.920 to be clean, okay?

01:21:19.540 Daddy doesn't know

01:21:20.200 how to clean.

01:21:21.020 Mommy mostly cleans.

01:21:23.680 Fine.

01:21:24.120 Then,

01:21:24.920 can I just tell Mommy

01:21:26.000 while I talk to the police?

01:21:29.420 What are you going

01:21:30.540 to tell the police

01:21:31.240 when they ask

01:21:31.880 why did you steal?

01:21:33.260 Okay.

01:21:33.540 You can do this

01:21:33.960 by yourself.

01:21:34.540 Okay.

01:21:36.620 I'm stealing.

01:21:37.700 So, that stealing

01:21:38.880 is unthinkable.

01:21:41.080 to me

01:21:41.780 to not get under arrest

01:21:44.140 because

01:21:44.640 I just don't want

01:21:48.120 to be under arrest

01:21:49.080 because

01:21:49.680 I'm just so sick

01:21:52.000 to not get under arrest.

01:21:54.360 I just take something

01:21:55.660 from the people

01:21:56.720 and I put it on

01:21:58.420 and then

01:21:59.180 you will not know

01:22:01.500 I cannot get under arrest.

01:22:04.380 So, you cannot know

01:22:05.480 I cannot get under arrest

01:22:08.460 because

01:22:09.080 that's a sickie thing.

01:22:13.140 I'm just trying

01:22:14.060 to run away.

01:22:16.160 I'm just so sick

01:22:17.360 so you can get

01:22:19.080 I'm just so sick

01:22:22.400 and you know

01:22:26.540 what happens next

01:22:29.620 you are getting

01:22:32.000 and you know

01:22:33.460 what happens

01:22:34.280 if you are

01:22:35.600 arrest me

01:22:36.820 I'm gonna arrest

01:22:38.900 you boys.

01:22:41.320 So, that

01:22:42.120 is being

01:22:43.000 not nice.

01:22:44.980 Well, if you see

01:22:46.420 a bad guy

01:22:47.120 at someone's home

01:22:48.660 I do not have

01:22:51.160 stripes

01:22:51.620 like a bad guy

01:22:53.360 so I cannot

01:22:54.660 be arrested

01:22:55.420 and that

01:22:56.340 is a head

01:22:57.200 block

01:22:57.640 out of town.

01:22:59.060 So, dad

01:23:03.880 the same way

01:23:05.600 broadcast

01:23:06.180 I'm broadcasting

01:23:08.340 you

01:23:09.420 are

01:23:10.860 I don't have

01:23:12.560 stripes

01:23:13.120 like a bad guy

01:23:14.280 so I'm safe.

01:23:16.120 Oh, if you

01:23:17.120 cause the

01:23:17.860 stripes

01:23:18.640 like a bad guy

01:23:19.920 with stripes

01:23:20.800 on

01:23:21.300 that's out

01:23:22.780 of deal

01:23:23.360 you gotta

01:23:24.060 arrest them

01:23:24.880 okay

01:23:25.420 oh, if you

01:23:26.580 don't

01:23:27.040 you are

01:23:27.940 getting under

01:23:28.760 arrest

01:23:29.360 place

01:23:29.760 that

01:23:30.200 is how

01:23:30.960 the talking

01:23:31.720 is how

01:23:32.300 oh, there's

01:23:33.600 one thing

01:23:34.380 I ain't gonna

01:23:34.980 tell you

01:23:35.880 arrest

01:23:37.660 bad guys

01:23:38.600 arrest

01:23:39.880 bad guys

01:23:40.620 that do

01:23:41.140 bad things

01:23:42.020 okay

01:23:42.700 not

01:23:43.800 kids

01:23:44.400 that have

01:23:44.980 stripes

01:23:45.740 like a bad

01:23:46.700 guy

01:23:47.100 by police

01:23:48.360 What would you

01:23:48.960 do with the

01:23:49.480 bad people

01:23:50.120 when you

01:23:50.620 take over

01:23:51.100 um

01:23:52.240 bought them

01:23:54.020 you bought

01:23:55.040 them

01:23:55.400 yeah

01:23:56.220 um

01:23:57.180 would you

01:23:58.400 how

01:23:58.720 would you

01:24:01.880 put them

01:24:02.180 in jail

01:24:02.600 yeah

01:24:03.920 oh my

01:24:05.860 gosh

01:24:06.380 hey you

01:24:07.320 I want

01:24:08.420 it

01:24:08.620 I broke

01:24:09.160 this

01:24:09.620 um

01:24:10.520 Torsten

01:24:11.140 is life

01:24:12.340 good even

01:24:12.940 though it's

01:24:13.260 hard sometimes

01:24:14.000 um

01:24:14.660 yeah

01:24:14.940 so you

01:24:19.800 like being

01:24:20.200 alive

01:24:20.580 yeah

01:24:21.720 well what

01:24:22.660 about the

01:24:22.920 antinatalists

01:24:23.500 who think

01:24:23.760 you never

01:24:24.080 should have

01:24:24.340 been born

01:24:24.800 I mean

01:24:25.340 they

01:24:25.520 yeah

01:24:26.140 they

01:24:26.960 Torsten

01:24:28.060 what

01:24:28.700 there's

01:24:29.440 people who

01:24:29.920 say

01:24:30.160 that you

01:24:30.940 shouldn't

01:24:31.640 exist

01:24:32.160 are they

01:24:32.640 bad

01:24:32.880 people

01:24:33.260 yeah

01:24:34.260 yeah

01:24:34.340 I guess

01:24:34.880 I guess

01:24:36.060 I can

01:24:36.560 bop

01:24:37.040 them

01:24:37.680 you're

01:24:38.140 gonna

01:24:38.280 bop

01:24:38.640 them

01:24:38.920 yeah

01:24:39.420 well I

01:24:40.920 don't know

01:24:41.220 if that's

01:24:41.580 legal

01:24:41.900 but when

01:24:43.200 you're

01:24:43.520 when you're

01:24:44.000 emperor

01:24:44.400 you can

01:24:45.060 make it

01:24:45.420 legal

01:24:45.800 do you

01:24:48.700 having fun

01:24:49.020 with the

01:24:49.220 microphone

01:24:49.640 yeah

01:24:50.500 is

01:24:52.020 is

01:24:52.400 you

01:24:52.820 yeah

01:24:55.560 you

01:24:56.900 can

01:24:57.340 you

01:24:57.740 you

Based Camp - August 09, 2024

America's Lost Tribe： The Puritans & Greater Appalachia's Role In Their Disappearance

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