Based Camp - An Anthropology of the Nerd Right’s Emerging Sexual Morality

00:00:00.800 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be talking

00:00:05.580 about something that has been anthropologically really interesting for me in the last couple

00:00:09.980 of weeks. There have been three attempted cancellations slash major scandals that came

00:00:17.720 out this past week. And the way that each of them has spun out and ended up working out

00:00:25.020 for the people involved has shown that the new right online space is settling on an ideology

00:00:33.900 of what is appropriate behavior and what is inappropriate behavior in regards to sexuality,

00:00:42.040 gooning, and yearning. Specifically, we're going to be talking about the instance of

00:00:46.700 Ethan Klein being in a relationship where it appears his wife hadn't had sex with him for

00:00:52.820 years and then deciding to cheat on her which is interesting in terms of how people are going to

00:00:59.220 react to that then we have the case of ember paradox who was a female presenting vtuber

00:01:07.960 who turned out to be a male then we have the case of powder and somebody attempting to cancel her

00:01:19.240 for past horny posting i'm not like that but you know twerking and stuff like that and working on

00:01:26.340 projects that had horny related stuff in it and horny stuff on her discord and just for the sort

00:01:33.140 of scorecard at the end of this the powder situation has if anything helped her uh it's 0.99

00:01:41.460 increased her reputation it really reminds me of the in praise of shadows attempted attack on

00:01:46.600 windigo hilarious it made in grades of shadows look horrible and windigo look great in terms of

00:01:52.620 when everybody did all the reactions um hers was even worse than that because the key piece of

00:01:58.420 evidence that he led the entire attack with was that she had an only fans account which was a

00:02:06.240 link to a rick roll that she had done on april 1st fool's day like a number of years ago and

00:02:13.120 i mean to his credit she said she lost she said she only had 15 000 followers back then and she

00:02:18.660 lost a thousand of them when she did this oh so many people believed it oh they got mad that it

00:02:24.860 wasn't mad yeah careful about uh wow i've never heard people to take a rickroll that bad i thought

00:02:31.560 you know you just you chuckle you keep going yeah um the uh so like let's go into each of these the

00:02:38.280 ember paradox situation has been perhaps the most interesting to me are you familiar with it simone

00:02:47.240 vaguely you know so in the past we have said there is not a lot of drama in like the new

00:02:53.600 right space or many scandals right now and then when this came out they're like malcolm

00:02:57.840 malcolm what's this about there being no drama in three in a row well i think one is a lot of

00:03:04.920 the drama in the space is stirred up by a single individual and at first when the ember paradox

00:03:10.200 thing happened i was more upset with this individual than i was at ember paradox same

00:03:16.240 unfortunately the the individual is strong i'm chalking it up to postpartum sleep deprivation

00:03:24.160 and um angriness because it it's tough sometimes i could see someone expressing extra displaced

00:03:30.660 aggression she did the same thing where she crashed out on yuki and powder for their views

00:03:36.620 on while you know how mean i am to you when i'm it is true yeah okay we'll we'll chalk it up to

00:03:43.020 that but i'm trying to give her an out here i because because i i think you know i think they're

00:03:47.220 a great power couple um you know rev says well no hold on i'm actually going to as more information

00:03:53.280 has come out i think she was a more in the right than i originally realized okay because it did

00:03:59.820 seem like she was stirring up nonsense and causing conflict when she really didn't need to

00:04:06.180 but also i'm like look i get it i do a lot of things i don't i shouldn't do when i'm under 0.99

00:04:11.300 the influence as it were of women juices of being female this is what this is the problem 1.00

00:04:17.200 with bringing women into our community i'm so sorry yes but yeah so she ends up dropping this

00:04:24.200 because some fan found some dms that showed a connection and then he admits it and my initial

00:04:33.840 thought in relation to all of this is oh no did you know that my good friend leaflet isn't a real

00:04:39.920 slime girl like big drop i i have completely undermined her trust in me and then worse i've

00:04:48.060 really been because the takes that have gone most viral on it have been yuki yari's takes

00:04:52.500 and her takes focus on the idea of well even privately to me as your friend you didn't tell me

00:04:58.520 which led me to engage with you in private conversations as if you were a woman to which

00:05:04.200 i understand why that can be hurtful but this is ember paradox's entire career right that could

00:05:11.720 be blown up over this and you're like kind of friends but apparently like not so good of friends

00:05:19.260 that uh like i i would you wouldn't share that if you were faking your gender classic uh gender

00:05:24.960 bent anime scenario where either a boy or girl ends up having to go to school and as a as a boy

00:05:31.340 but you know she's really a girl and she's going to an all-boys school and then they all have

00:05:34.860 crushes on each other and blah blah and it gets very confusing it's one of those situations where

00:05:39.080 like you start to really care about these people and then the lie gets deeper but you can't tell

00:05:42.660 them because of insert plot point um no that's not why you can't tell them you can't tell them

00:05:48.380 because her career was going to be lost if it came out well it's your entire career you can't tell

00:05:52.660 everyone you collab with that your your real gender point being this was all outed because

00:05:59.600 he told somebody right like that somebody dug something up yeah that's true yeah and then the

00:06:06.000 secondary point is is if yuki really did share such personal information with him because she

00:06:15.660 thought he was a girl then he despite the attacks from her hasn't released it which is no it's just

00:06:24.180 uh look there's some stuff that i don't bring up with you um that i bring up with other people

00:06:29.940 yeah what i'm saying it probably wasn't anything that egregious so it sounds like it's more of a

00:06:35.720 or he's just uniquely moral but that's not what i think is really going on here the real reason

00:06:40.980 I don't care that he lied to friends, okay?

00:06:44.700 If you are interacting with a VTuber,

00:06:48.700 you should take at face value

00:06:50.940 that you are interacting with a persona.

00:06:53.320 Well, yes, that's true.

00:06:54.500 Yes, fair enough.

00:06:55.640 And I think to presume more than that,

00:06:59.440 and I think it's important to take that 0.70

00:07:00.700 because if you're like, well, now I've been turned gay 0.99

00:07:02.860 because I masturbated or found this person attractive. 0.98

00:07:05.820 And I'm like, if that happened to you, 0.98

00:07:08.140 this should be a warning to you

00:07:09.260 about never gooning to vtuber what are you doing well but also i'd like the funny thing is there's 0.70

00:07:15.520 this in a totally separate world this disney adult controversy playing out with this this woman who

00:07:22.000 over 10 years has has stalked and obsessed over and posted about the peter pans at disneyland

00:07:27.680 um she is a well aware having worked in the disney intern program for example that these

00:07:33.640 are actors playing peter pan she's not like psychotic right but she she tries to give them

00:07:38.160 gifts she crushes on them she posts about them like she there's a thing um it's and a lot of

00:07:42.700 people are talking about it and i think that people are willing to suspend that disbelief

00:07:47.120 they would in many cases prefer to have um a relationship with a fantasy person and not the

00:07:52.460 real person um and so to me when i look at this in the light of that controversy which is from a

00:07:59.320 totally different world the disney adult snark world i'm like yeah but here's the thing is most

00:08:04.460 people even when they know like explicitly that there is a separate identity beyond the face

00:08:10.400 they still pretend they they intentionally suspend disbelief and so that's why i'm also like

00:08:15.300 like no one cares um although people do and i i wonder you know how much of this comes down to

00:08:21.360 people choosing not not to like knock on anyone and i i can understand why yuki would feel

00:08:28.220 uncomfortable but like to pretend to allow oneself to be troubled by this when they don't have to be

00:08:35.400 um it's not like you know we don't sit on santa's lap and tell tell yeah in the same way that like

00:08:40.620 i when you know it comes out that uh mouse whatever i don't particularly like her or her

00:08:46.540 politics but i i acted we had the shocked episode when tectone acted shocked about this because 1.00

00:08:51.600 we were like come on you know that these are a bunch of 40 year old women right like we all 1.00

00:08:56.660 know this we don't need to be blowing stuff up for them despite me liking tech tone a lot more 0.96

00:09:01.860 than her i just don't think that like anybody you could you could act shocked about it but like

00:09:05.160 whatever right but tech tone knows as well like i mean he made it a bit because it was funny and

00:09:09.740 then like when he about this whole issue he posted something like well if i learn that oh um what is

00:09:16.120 it mama juju or whatever is it actually a monkey you know and blah blah blah then i am just done

00:09:21.060 with vtubers you know like he's joking because like that's the thing is like we know these are

00:09:25.080 personas yeah so and on our show he said oh but he warned you guys any of you guys who thought

00:09:32.660 ember was not a guy he said be aware a good chunk of the female vtubers are males he he said this

00:09:40.380 on our show i think he said it multiple times in that episode as well just like don't be

00:09:46.700 oh techton said that on our show yeah multiple okay well yeah so you guys also had a warning

00:09:53.640 about this so that to me wasn't the thing that i found shocking or concerning okay where it got

00:10:00.220 shocking or concerning to me was the ember paradox situation is that this is a sex thing for him

00:10:08.160 and is it so he wrote a book that has been connected to him prom changed everything

00:10:16.960 and it is a book about a young underage boy who is raped made to dress like a girl and then

00:10:27.280 has his genitals mutilated and then he transitions into a female and then it's about his life after

00:10:36.300 being forcibly transitioned into a female and like the romances that he gets into as he grows 0.97

00:10:42.980 up with guys as a female now um and he has gone on forums uh like he's posted on our cross-dressing

00:10:53.300 for recommendations on breast forms and breast plates that look more natural um he noted that

00:11:00.680 uh either looked fake had a neck gaps or too much shine he this one i see as less of an issue the

00:11:08.080 trans voice change subreddit because obviously that was like you need something it sounds good

00:11:11.800 yeah for sure for sure um he went on egg irl multiple comments on the account talking about

00:11:17.740 gender fluidity trans topics and similar things and then he's been on a niche three and cross

00:11:23.460 dressing website specifically the big closet top shelf cross gesture heaven style platforms etc

00:11:28.000 so the the point here being is uh this is this book was his first book and it is he says his

00:11:36.940 best book i don't have a problem with you being interested in books like this or having unique

00:11:44.040 or working things that arouse you into your literature like um i've i've been guilty of

00:11:50.060 doing that myself i think that's part of how can you write it well if you can't understand it yeah

00:11:55.100 how you write fun i mean it's something that you spend a disproportionate amount of time thinking

00:11:58.940 about sure like write it into your literature right like that's that's fine um but i think

00:12:07.200 it's very very clear that this is an arousing concept to him and because of that that meant

00:12:15.100 that him doing this was not what i had initially assumed i had assumed and this is where i would

00:12:21.320 put like a distinguishing mark in the morality of this at least from my perspective is if it's a guy 0.99

00:12:27.200 who just realizes guys are idiots and will pay more for things with boobs um fine you know do it 0.99

00:12:35.400 right if it's a guy who gets turned on by guys seeing him as a woman oh okay yeah that that is 1.00

00:12:42.640 where lines start to get a little crossed for sure yeah that moves into the annavalens with 0.99

00:12:48.160 the vibrator in her butt playing a children's game where it vibrated whenever somebody bumped 0.90

00:12:54.040 into her obviously that was significantly worse than anything ember paradox did but the element 0.98

00:12:59.940 of um arousal in sexuality being a component in this i think does make the entire situation

00:13:08.940 a bit sketchier well this is starting to sound like an ayla twitter slash x question where like

00:13:16.080 if someone is getting off on a thing and yet no one is you know harmed or affected and no one

00:13:21.920 knows is it is it a moral negative and i guess that's the question i think the problem i guess

00:13:28.380 is that you know now this is broken containment it is known so then there is harm but like no no

00:13:33.780 no i can i can answer ayla's question really easily here okay i mean i'm not saying ayla

00:13:38.860 exactly exactly so the question the delineating factor is this okay yeah is it are are you using

00:13:48.920 another human being to get off that is when it becomes a problem so i will delineate and this

00:13:55.700 will be really easy for you so even if you like uh if you're a teenage boy and you imagine

00:13:59.960 a classmate you have a crush on while fapping you're saying that that's morally bad

00:14:04.360 if you as a teenage boy take a picture of a classmate that you're crushing on

00:14:09.760 and then use ai to redraw them naked and then you fap to them well that's an issue if you are

00:14:16.040 crushing on a streamer and you use ai to make nudes of that streamer and you fat to that i think

00:14:26.580 pretty much anyone is going to say that's not okay they can say you can crush on a streamer

00:14:33.020 but the moment that you make ludes of that streamer explicitly we we never see yeah but like

00:14:39.860 the ember paradox thing we we're not getting to to nudes being creative we're talking about

00:14:45.220 immaterial things that arouse someone no but it's it's the same thing i think um do i think if you

00:14:51.740 are like i would consider it an immoral act to pull up pictures of a classmate on your computer

00:14:58.940 and masturbate to them absolutely like i think most people would consider that an immoral what 0.95

00:15:04.000 if okay what if someone like orgasmed every time they went to a fishmonger and purchased salmon 0.99

00:15:10.460 like are they morally bad to go to a fishmonger and purchase salmon you know the fishmonger

00:15:15.900 doesn't know um and they're making money i mean i don't know same way with uh transforming art

00:15:22.980 into not safe for work art like that is what makes it it's that you are utilizing a another

00:15:30.340 human being and when that other human this is where it becomes like the ayla thing you could

00:15:36.620 say it doesn't matter at all the reason why it matters is because of the potentiality of the

00:15:42.460 other person finding out and the effects it has on them when they do find out um so this has

00:15:49.780 personally happened to me so now i i kind of can relate i will admit it is a victimless crime

00:15:55.380 until until the person finds out yeah okay so yeah if if in some hypothetical moral discussion

00:16:01.160 world you could guarantee that the subject will never know that no one will ever know

00:16:07.380 then i don't i don't see it as i think but if there's any risk whatsoever that anyone will

00:16:15.000 ever find out about this no no no no no i think it's a harm to yourself to oh because it might

00:16:21.420 also make you think unrealistic things about that person and start hoping no because it is um i mean

00:16:27.180 it is directly desiring um what's the word here like another human first of all that's what the

00:16:35.540 bible like we think delineates against because that has negative effects on you because that's

00:16:40.300 different from like having a crush on someone or um desiring to date someone uh that's imagining

00:16:48.420 a and i think a really toxic way okay so it's one thing yeah but so like to hypothetically

00:16:55.540 consummate something that that you have not and then that can mess up in your mind so you're not

00:17:01.140 out pursuing real relationships so you're not so you can't build a healthy actual relationship with

00:17:07.440 this person because you have moved to you've already gone yeah you're like you've reached

00:17:12.460 third base with them in your imagination and that messes with things yes well it messes with the

00:17:17.940 way you interact with them the way you see them your ability to actually date them your ability

00:17:21.120 to actually date other people i mean i i actually see your argument i i would have um i really would

00:17:27.980 have erred in favor of i don't care if no one knows but now i'm like okay i i see this is a

00:17:33.220 surprisingly conservative take from you um i but i see your point um and and i will ruining our

00:17:42.180 reputation of debauchery no hold on i will note there are uh concessions on this particular point

00:17:49.480 okay okay okay concession one is if they have given you permission to do oh sure if they have

00:17:55.260 an only fans if they're posting nudes well the permission can be in no i don't think anyone

00:18:00.800 should be using only fans or or something like that i'm thinking more of you're in a long

00:18:06.260 distance relationship with somebody okay right well that's them that's them asking to engage

00:18:11.640 with you yes that i would view is just not with their negative at all that is they're almost not

00:18:17.300 not even their consent they're direct if someone sends you nudes they as long as you didn't ask for

00:18:21.560 them they if you're with them the the alternative here is um i think any sort of uh porn that is

00:18:32.140 only fans that is online stuff i would put that in a in a middle section well wouldn't you i mean

00:18:37.600 you're you're very categorically against only fans right well as i've mentioned i think only

00:18:41.960 fans is significantly worse than normal free porn because of the parasocial relationship it builds

00:18:48.600 which interrupts the person's ability to build relationships and the amount of money that can 1.00

00:18:53.220 go into it and time that can go into it um uh and that it it creates a lifestyle for women where a 1.00

00:18:59.800 lot of just like not safe for work pictures and stuff like that aren't going to i still think 0.96

00:19:03.820 both of them are bad there's a reason why rfab.ai our website reality fabricator it has a website

00:19:10.460 that allows you to search every not safer work image database at once except and explicitly 0.65

00:19:16.260 filtering for any images of real women that's how immoral i find it we do the same with video we have 0.69

00:19:21.580 a search all the video you want no real women because i that's where i draw the line on that

00:19:25.620 stuff um which is interesting because a lot of people think that that's more debauched that like

00:19:30.040 hentai is more debauched all these these furries oh my goodness but the but the reality is that if

00:19:36.340 you look at the effects that it has on people's lives it's significantly less because you're not

00:19:41.420 drawing somebody else into your i know it's being pulled into your perversion yeah and you're you

00:19:48.520 have less of a chance of developing some obsession with like a porn actress or something or not

00:19:54.260 understanding that this isn't reality so that's i think why his situation has played out the way it

00:20:00.420 has the the next we'll go through the the next uh we'll go into the east and client situation now

00:20:06.300 um because this one has been i think even when as the gold has talked about it and mentioned the

00:20:13.120 it appears that they hadn't had sex for quite some time there was a degree of understanding

00:20:18.800 if your wife doesn't have sex with you for three years should you have the right to sleep with

00:20:24.240 somebody else the answer here i would say is two people can be in the wrong um yeah i think that

00:20:32.380 both of them did something bad and i think that the wife should have expected something like this

00:20:39.560 given her actions and i think that this is why i don't really believe in and simone doesn't really

00:20:46.980 believe it, and we haven't since we first got married, believed the idea that a spouse should

00:20:54.680 be able to turn down sex from another spouse. The idea of a marital grape, I just don't think it's

00:21:02.100 a good thing to normalize as a concept. I think that a spouse should always look to accommodate

00:21:09.120 their partner outside of extreme circumstances. Well, that means it. Well, I think, yeah,

00:21:15.840 the wording is could be better done in that we don't believe in any functional marriage it would

00:21:22.100 ever get to the point of marital grape because a spouse would always try to accommodate the

00:21:29.720 stated needs of their spouse if they're like look i really need this like you're there i'd like to

00:21:35.120 no no i mean i think that what happens in a real relationship that's actually healthy

00:21:38.700 is one person's like uh i'm on my period but like let's schedule some other time right or

00:21:44.960 of some bad thing just happened, but let's schedule another time. I think a rejection

00:21:50.700 with a scheduling is the correct response if you normalize allowing rejection.

00:21:58.000 Yeah, or accommodation. I mean, I feel like yes and could be also a really good response of like,

00:22:04.900 not to be too explicit, but like, I'm on my period, but here's the plastic sheet. Like,

00:22:09.500 I don't know, or shower sex. There are ways around these things. And yeah, I think it's 0.97

00:22:14.180 important to accommodate a partner yeah um but i think that there's there's always the idea of

00:22:20.120 just shut down permanently like i'm not interested and we're not finding another way to do it that's

00:22:25.980 yeah that's not that no that doesn't end well what was she's not end well yeah like but i mean

00:22:31.780 is this proven because i i mean i don't here's what we know okay so it's it's difficult to know

00:22:38.060 exactly because all that has been confirmed is they are separated now he cheated his production

00:22:44.460 company has shut down he has acted fairly morally in everything that i have seen since the scandal

00:22:52.140 broke specifically the people who produced the show with him all said they would not continue

00:22:58.360 to work on a show that financially uh helped him and so he's been working to remove himself

00:23:05.640 financially from all of their productions all of their shows all of their so that they can continue

00:23:12.780 to go on producing content despite this i think that that is uh honestly that's a sign of immense

00:23:20.720 character he didn't have to do that right those are things that he built they're only famous

00:23:26.000 because of him they're only relevant because of him and uh he was like the the first wrong

00:23:35.500 Well, I think both of them committed an egregious wrong. The first wrong was not his. And I think a lot more people, how long had they not had sex, we can sort of draw this out because of a number of conversations they had on the show where he asked her sort of provokingly, like, well, what do you think a couple should do if they haven't had sex in months or years?

00:23:56.760 you know like what you know this topic came up very pointedly in a way where um it was obvious

00:24:04.040 it was obvious to me watching it that he was talking about his relationship

00:24:07.440 okay uh one year of not having sex three times at least 1.00

00:24:12.380 i'm sorry this woman had three of your children shut the fuck up 1.00

00:24:17.320 was that are you gonna have a divorce because of that when you have a family 1.00

00:24:24.300 and like just give everything up because you don't get to have sex for when i ask a question

00:24:30.360 if if if there's a husband i hear this problem come up all the time so i'm genuinely curious 0.91

00:24:35.540 um if there's a husband or wife man the husband is not she doesn't have sex with him right and 0.99

00:24:44.340 it's been like years so like should he just suck it up and just fucking take it or should they talk 0.98

00:24:51.280 about it and try to figure out about it i think it depends on the relationship and the people 0.96

00:24:56.180 she's just like i don't i'm not i'm just asexual i just don't yeah that's definitely possible

00:25:01.580 so what's so what's what's this what's the possible that is that what happened here i don't

00:25:08.400 know i'm just i don't know i'm separately separate you're deliberating yeah so and because i feel

00:25:14.340 like in this case totally possible to talk about it and to find whatever works for the two of them

00:25:20.100 and if the woman in this case is okay with the man getting it outside of the marriage then fine

00:25:26.060 if it works for them but i don't think that's the case here because there's pregnancies involved

00:25:32.280 three of them and so this is less ambiguous than i had originally thought on re-watching it she is

00:25:38.540 clearly saying because she mentions the not having sex for years in relation to having three kids

00:25:43.720 which she has had she's clearly talking about their relationship and being like yeah some other 1.00

00:25:49.060 women would allow you to sleep outside of their relationship but i just don't care about you

00:25:54.120 our relationship or this question and i'm not going to treat this morally seriously

00:25:59.060 and i think her behavior around this was really disgusting i still think his actions are wrong

00:26:03.860 but i think that she was the initiator of the bad faith and degradation of their relationship and

00:26:10.060 you can see that clearly in these clips specifically because he appears to be acting

00:26:16.000 in good faith like what do i do what should i do and she's basically like suck it up you little

00:26:22.540 baby which he should have done but i don't think that that's the right way to respond to this

00:26:29.300 when you're on the other side of it um the second issue around this that a lot of people have been

00:26:37.660 talking about is they're like well the power dynamics because she's an intern and he's the

00:26:41.700 and i'm like that's what makes it hot what are you talking about the power dynamics that's what

00:26:46.240 makes it hot for the woman that's what makes it hot for the man what do you want sex without power 0.98

00:26:50.980 dynamics i've read your fantasies come on um so i think that's ridiculous this whole power dynamics 0.95

00:26:56.460 nonsense it's the power dynamics are the point okay she appears the the intern um we don't know

00:27:02.840 that it's her but she made stop motion animation of him before coming on as an intern and in one

00:27:11.100 of them he burned a picture of his wife i kissed your sister i wasn't too kind about that because

00:27:18.120 i'll tell you what man i've been kissing my sister that's my sister and anyone gonna be

00:27:23.600 reprogramming with her jeremiah that's gonna be me

00:27:26.480 they uh she also showed up and asked him so directly in a way that appeared to make him

00:27:37.020 uncomfortable that he had to reject meeting her the first time she came to one of her events

00:27:40.820 um then uh there was a number of sort of innuendos on the the show one of the the worst cases there

00:27:51.180 was also a slip where he brings a water bottle uh and she goes is that my water bottle he goes oh

00:27:56.840 i thought it was his wife's and then she goes he goes oh did you leave it at the and then she like

00:28:03.500 gives him a look and he doesn't finish the sentence um and uh yes looking good very sort

00:28:09.680 of awkward look for a period after that okay um the other thing that people didn't like is the

00:28:15.060 way that he responded when caught by his wife which is if we say it's just emotional cheating

00:28:19.680 then say it's just kissing then eventually admit that yes there was actual cheating involved

00:28:25.140 but again that's the way i expect somebody to react in a cheating situation of the individuals

00:28:31.580 who have had backlash because of all of this ethan has had the worst he isn't a traditional

00:28:38.540 member of the new right he's sort of from the proto new right community old enough that he's

00:28:43.680 been adjacent to a lot of these people and spaces and because he doesn't want to completely destroy

00:28:48.800 israel he's been on the outs with hassan and his crew for ages which sort of puts him in our our

00:28:55.060 side when debates and arguments are happening but he's not like a real he doesn't have real

00:28:59.660 convictions or anything as far as i see not not not meaningful political convictions uh he just

00:29:05.060 sort of played himself as like a wife guy right like uh he's made multiple statements like the

00:29:09.300 best thing you could do for your kids is to love your spouse or you know gone on things about how

00:29:13.280 bad spouses are and cheat and i think that this is what cooked him on this uh and this is why

00:29:20.840 that he like was talking about being a really good husband like tried to have the the reputation of a

00:29:28.160 good husband yeah okay uh i think i think um this is one of the things where you've got to be

00:29:34.660 careful about what you criticize other people for because one day and this is where i've been

00:29:40.880 i mean uh yuki has done a number of pieces on the ember paradox situation and how it has affected

00:29:48.340 her personally and my first reaction when i thought before i knew about all of the grooming related

00:29:55.040 stuff and stuff like that i was like i i don't know if i'd be establishing the standard um 0.61

00:30:00.560 for her right because what what if she does something similar now obviously wouldn't be

00:30:05.260 as egregious but now there's this new standard that she set that could be used against her in

00:30:10.360 the future especially given that the very person who did the release straub had very recently been

00:30:16.400 attacking yuki uh over her or or people with similar views to yuki over abortion views right

00:30:22.900 which was like i don't know if i'd be enabling this now i feel differently that i know more

00:30:29.200 of the full situation and for the record while i can see both persons perspective on this particular

00:30:35.780 issue the side that i come down on is would god kill an infant for the sexual impropriety of their

00:30:42.620 parents uh yeah i mean he did like david's kid right like god clearly lays this out and i think

00:30:49.240 it's because God is the God of consequences and attempting to make society a better place.

00:30:54.200 And unfortunately, if you reward rape as a genetic strategy, then you lead to more rapes and more

00:31:01.120 suffering in the future. God is the God who demands the massacre of suckling infants when 0.98

00:31:08.720 they are the infants of people who practice child sacrifice and punishes Saul for not killing them

00:31:15.180 all and if we pretend that god is the god of buddy christ and be the maximally nice thing we are

00:31:21.180 making up a god we we are taking god's name in vain and not talking about the god that's laid

00:31:26.920 out in the bible you know god says i knew you before you were in your mother's womb which means

00:31:31.000 that god can see the future because before before he could have used another word here it's before

00:31:37.740 that's used here which means that there is moral weight to the decisions about who we choose to

00:31:45.160 bring into this world. And when she made her arguments, she wasn't making arguments about

00:31:50.840 what's in the Bible and what's not in the Bible with quotes from the Bible. She was just saying,

00:31:55.840 this is what people in our community are allowed to believe and not allowed to believe essentially.

00:32:00.440 And I think that that's very unconstructive when we are in a fight at the precipice of the

00:32:05.380 destruction of Western civilization as we know it, we need to win and arbitrarily gaining our

00:32:11.480 community was hostility. You know, I am extremely, extremely, extremely anti early stage abortion.

00:32:18.400 If you've seen from other videos that we have done recently, I do not think abortion

00:32:22.000 should be used in the form of birth control, but also I don't think that we should be rewarding

00:32:28.800 rape with genetic success. But I think that that's something where like, it's very, very

00:32:35.740 important in content production to when you're criticizing somebody to sort of think oh my god

00:32:42.100 is this ever going to come back to get me in the future when you criticize someone on your own side

00:32:47.520 you are establishing the moral criteria by which it is righteous for you yourself to be judged

00:32:55.580 and that is why i take criticism of people on team people who seem to be attempting to recruit people

00:33:03.920 are part of the pipeline even if they're very beginning of the pipeline of the new right

00:33:07.640 why i generally avoid criticizing them unless uh they are an individual who is actively uh fighting

00:33:17.680 against the larger team's goals like nick fuentes or something like this and i don't think that

00:33:24.040 ethan i think ethan really saw himself as a wife guy i think that uh this whole cheating thing 1.00

00:33:28.980 came because of two things an extremely aggressive girl the idea that anyone's acting like he's a 1.00

00:33:34.380 victim we've seen everything up to the cheating with this girl it seems like she was extremely 0.97

00:33:41.240 aggressive and that as a guy uh if if there's a a younger girl subordinate to you in the right 0.72

00:33:49.340 situation who's being very aggressive um i can understand and your wife hasn't had sex with you

00:33:55.300 for years um i can see how that could be uniquely tempting it's wrong but i can i can i can see where

00:34:04.220 he's coming from right i mean my general take is if if one spouse isn't providing to another spouse

00:34:11.720 something that they really need in life that that person should understand that they're going to

00:34:17.960 need to get it outside the relationship and this could be watching sports playing video games with

00:34:22.800 that person like i do not play i cannot play a game for the life of me i cannot so it's not like

00:34:29.340 i'm gonna get mad if malcolm has other friends with whom he plays games um yeah and i gotta hold

00:34:34.200 with that with everything um if i cannot provide it i would like you to still get it if it's

00:34:38.720 important to you and that includes sex it gets complicated when the person doesn't consent to

00:34:43.300 that if they're like i'm not going to provide you with sex even though i know it's really important

00:34:47.400 to you and you're not allowed to get it outside the marriage that is one of those things we're

00:34:50.260 like okay so you want the marriage to die because that's exactly what you're saying i can't have the

00:34:54.760 thing i can't go without you're not going to give it to me and i can't get it somewhere else

00:34:57.380 and that that is okay so then the marriage is over so that is where it comes to a it takes

00:35:02.440 two to tango kind of situation which sucks it sucks but like it it shouldn't have happened 0.80

00:35:08.080 in in the first place the situation shouldn't have happened well yeah but it's one of those 0.94

00:35:11.800 things where like everyone's guilty because like one like suck it up you know if they need this

00:35:15.960 give it to them two if you don't want to give it to them let them get it somewhere else but three

00:35:20.160 if you're a dude like and and you know maybe your hedonic pleasure doesn't matter that much you

00:35:25.240 know doesn't matter as much as like your career and your kids yeah it's like all these things

00:35:30.240 have now fallen apart for him in a way that's quite damaging where i feel like if he could

00:35:33.980 probably go back and do it all over again he'd probably choose oh no he would absolutely choose

00:35:38.100 yeah he obviously feels he made a mistake here that's why he's being so conciliated but this is

00:35:43.660 why you shouldn't live for your pleasure because all of this is downstream of people pursuing

00:35:47.740 pleasure over their higher purpose in life and this is this is why i am so pro like general 0.99

00:35:54.140 masturbation and stuff like that it's like bro you could just masturbate right like yeah you 0.98

00:35:58.420 there are other ways to achieve sexual release than more efficiently without involving other 0.98

00:36:04.260 people yeah and i think the um the having the you know somebody's hitting on me very aggressively 0.77

00:36:10.140 yeah but i could just masturbate you know i don't have to do this right like i don't i think people

00:36:16.480 are sometimes surprised that we move so hard in that direction, despite on many of our beliefs 0.98

00:36:21.540 appearing so right wing these days. Um, that's not something that I'm likely to move back from

00:36:26.420 because it's such a good tool from protecting against the types of sexual impropriety that

00:36:32.700 can destroy your life. Um, now there are people who it doesn't work for. There's people who

00:36:38.560 develop addictions. There's people who develop, uh, other, other, if you have developed an

00:36:44.300 addiction, what do you do? Take an opioid agonist. I mean, I was severely addicted to alcohol.

00:36:50.720 Took an opioid agonist and it knocked it out for me. It has also a massive effect on your sexual

00:36:57.700 appetite and your desire to do anything like masturbate or anything like that. You kind of 0.84

00:37:02.040 have to schedule it after that. Yeah. You specifically, you'll never want to masturbate

00:37:08.780 again if you do it like four times on naltrexone um or you also means you have to i have to like 0.98

00:37:14.480 ask him malcolm have you taken any oh yeah so she's asking when she approaches me for sex

00:37:21.840 she always has to ask have you taken naltrexone recently and we had to schedule not taking

00:37:27.100 naltrexone for days where we intend to have sex yeah um because if i have then i will

00:37:32.220 not be able to orgasm easily you don't seem to like enjoy and you don't enjoy but no terrible 0.93

00:37:40.540 which no one wants to no one wants to have sex with an unenthusiastic person

00:37:46.300 i guess some do someone gets off on that oh yeah there actually is like a category of you know

00:37:51.900 what i've actually found it kind of hot sometimes it's like a category of of at least i know in like

00:37:56.040 hentai or whatever where like the girl is acting like she's playing video games or something oh

00:38:01.700 that's true that is the whole genre yes that is true of like disinterested like i i have no

00:38:08.860 interest you just do what you need to do the disinterested god and then there's yeah that

00:38:12.740 like unconscious person thing yeah i guess you're right i guess you're right i just um

00:38:17.240 from what i remember from ayla's research the number one biggest thing is like

00:38:20.960 dogged enthusiasm although it plays out differently in like men and women you know

00:38:24.940 like for men it has to be like dogged enthusiasm but only from a very high status attractive man

00:38:29.780 who only has eyes for you it's very conditional um you can't be ugly poor um unimportant non-powerful

00:38:39.480 um or polyamorous in most cases yeah so if you're gonna ask me um what i think ethan should have 0.86

00:38:46.500 done in the situation he was in sucked it up um but also i unfortunately have to say your wife 1.00

00:38:52.320 is doing something bad but you still need to suck it up for your kids and just masturbate man like 1.00

00:38:58.120 yeah uh and now if the issue is that your wife wants to stop having kids at only three now that 0.99

00:39:03.280 divorce works that is yeah that is a different that is very different um but this this does not

00:39:07.500 appear to be that she didn't want to have sex because of that it appears because there's kids

00:39:10.520 in the house and the reality is is that if you're taking care of a large number of kids it is actually

00:39:15.320 there's no turn off like kids it is actually very hard to maintain an active sex life i understand

00:39:21.840 that as well um unless you you really make a point of it and talk it through and you know that

00:39:27.360 there are couples who like have a lot of kids we're talking five six plus every night

00:39:33.560 you know like clockwork i mean on the on the nights where it's possible um we've heard we've

00:39:38.600 heard that from our fan base it's not like no we just we lock the door and we handle it we're like

00:39:44.040 you've got to hire a nanny if you want to do that and that's just a prostitute with extra steps

00:39:47.660 i mean that's the thing yeah like if you're paying someone so that you can have

00:39:51.400 the sexy times it's it's more like we can't bring ourselves to do it also it's like we're on a

00:39:57.540 vacation and so somebody else is taking care of the kids either way is there's a work trip because

00:40:00.960 you do all your work trips together um you get opportunities but like at home it is hard with a

00:40:06.320 baby in the room and everything like that i get that you know yeah but i mean there are people

00:40:11.420 who can get it on with like their dog staring at them so to each their own i guess yeah um have you

00:40:18.260 ever have any of her ex-girlfriends like had pets that watched i would find that to be such a turn

00:40:23.920 off that it's not something that ever scenario would never come to pass oh i do i do not want

00:40:30.280 to be watched by an animal no that is not a thing that i'm interested i don't want to be watched by

00:40:35.140 a baby either like that's the other thing that's oh couldn't you imagine i know uh yeah that's

00:40:40.820 which is uh not helpful for us given that there's like always someone present some some child some

00:40:49.800 youngling no but the point the point I'm making here is uh what I'm telling him to suck it up 0.97

00:40:57.820 well I'm obviously not in the situation he's in if I ever asked Simone to have sex she would have 0.99

00:41:02.840 sex but um it's not like that I haven't dealt with the same challenges raising five kids you 1.00

00:41:10.100 know of not having sex a ton and my response to that is suck it up or masturbate you know don't 0.99

00:41:17.580 don't cheat on your wife um yeah which is a new position for me by the way i want to be clear this 0.99

00:41:25.020 is not the position if you go back so what would young malcolm's position be well i mean remember

00:41:30.100 we had an open i was allowed to sleep with anyone i wanted to early that rule still stands you just

00:41:34.720 don't exercise it well i i i now don't think that it's a good decision um i i i like literally my

00:41:42.220 position on that now is i would only approach somebody that way if i intended to have more

00:41:49.040 than one wife um that is the only instance in which i would i i think that well because that's

00:41:56.580 you know we talk about the there's ways that you can read the bible where it does explicitly ban

00:42:00.980 that, but I don't know, man, there's a lot of multiple wives in the Bible. There's a lot of

00:42:06.360 multiple now it usually ends or almost always ends badly, which people take to me. There's a

00:42:12.640 lot of wives and they hate each other. And that's what happens with multiple wives. Yeah. I think 1.00

00:42:18.980 the Bible's like, it happens, but also you're going to, you're going to maybe regret. Do you

00:42:23.280 really want more than one woman in your life? The other day you were like, well, what do you mean

00:42:28.900 guys can date girl fake ai girls on rfab but they're not real women and i'm like that's the

00:42:34.660 point that's the point it's a feature not a bug did you know on rfab the the ais that you're like

00:42:39.440 flirting with or whatever there's a feature that can give you a wake-up call every morning

00:42:43.160 and will call you back if it wasn't convinced that you're actually gonna wake up um i haven't

00:42:49.560 tested it myself but i don't need well it would be great if i i mean i guess i i but you do it

00:42:55.120 for me every day anyway which is better it's better if your wife does it yeah that's true

00:42:58.660 it also gives me motivation to get up like when i'm like i do i'm not i cannot do this

00:43:03.840 like texas been up all night or something i'm still like i have to i have to wake him up

00:43:09.640 who else is going to wake him up it's that accountability system it's very good

00:43:13.220 yeah so how the final situation is obviously the powder situation which had a complete inversion

00:43:19.920 of an explosion and i think the reason it had an inversion of an explosion and i will note all of

00:43:25.640 this in the context of i run a not safe for work chatbot website that is one of the things it does

00:43:32.440 it makes not safe for work comics of anything you can imagine it's significantly better at that now

00:43:37.460 i can actually do some higher concept ideas uh i was doing a lot of experimentation this weekend

00:43:45.060 to try to get it like really high quality for the non-safe for works it's good it can do children's

00:43:51.320 books too which is nice but like non yes safe for work fewer men want that and and you can even turn

00:43:58.060 like your chat sessions or your chat adventures into comics afterwards you can oh i didn't know

00:44:03.440 you did you just build that this weekend yeah i built that this weekend dude welcome and now we

00:44:09.080 also have a subscription so you can pay uh if you thought it was too expensive to use you can pay

00:44:13.700 13 bucks a month and it gives you extremely high access to uh the last model of grok which was the

00:44:21.440 one the site ran on at the beginning of this year anyway um and it gives you what i've calculated is

00:44:28.220 more than i think anyone would reasonably use unless they're trying to scam us basically it'll

00:44:33.100 give you half in terms of token credits uh of your monthly expense every day as your limit

00:44:42.160 if you're paying that so it's a way that you could completely screw us over in terms of income and

00:44:47.960 we're gonna have to obviously do audits but what i wanted to do was for people who wanted to use

00:44:54.620 rfab and didn't want the more expensive experience and wanted to the the you know i'm i'm paying i

00:45:00.360 wanted to be able to give them a bot that's better than the bots that they have on janitor ai and

00:45:03.820 better than the bots that they have on you know chub hud and gbt flow and all that but yeah

00:45:09.100 and again why i so you have obviously i'm in this no one has ever tried to cancel me for this

00:45:18.620 um we have never had a discord scandal the powder has had a discord scandal and the main reason is

00:45:24.780 because i wanted to allow miners in but my mods didn't and so it's never been an issue well i

00:45:29.620 think that the thing for our discord um is we don't have we tell people it exists and that is

00:45:35.280 our the extent of our relationship with it and yet i wanted to have uh i'd be okay with having

00:45:41.180 a not safe for work section but like with our our podcast i'm not moderating that they they can do

00:45:46.080 what they want then somebody has to moderate i we're just not conducive to that right you know

00:45:49.920 what i mean we don't really make sense as a not safe for work thing in the same way that uh 1.00

00:45:58.320 unfortunately most female streamers do because they understand that part of what guys are there 1.00

00:46:04.020 is for their body that's why i was like i might start a female streamer if i wanted to get like 1.00

00:46:08.380 a boost up or something you know you put some boobs you have my ideas people think oh my gosh 1.00

00:46:13.220 because there's so few base girls in this world so what was i going to say so with powder situation 0.95

00:46:18.100 first you had the humiliation of getting rickrolled but then the problem is is the stuff 0.99

00:46:23.520 that he is citing her for is lewd figures doing lewd things like twerking encountered

00:46:31.640 yeah and that sometimes some of these models were furry models or had like cat ears or cat tails

00:46:41.000 now uh do you know do you know the furry scale simone no hold on so this is the classic furry

00:46:49.700 okay it goes from knowing is half the battle that furry cute cat girl semi-furry uh furry feet

00:46:56.880 one one little furry feet okay a fair furry is okay we've got the full tail and we have um

00:47:04.140 paws instead of hands very very furry is just a somewhat anthropomorphized fox girl what are

00:47:12.620 you doing a fox with a bow on it and please reconsider a fox okay and yeah and i'll show

00:47:20.900 you another furry scale that is uh you know maybe a bit better because i think it offers 0.96

00:47:25.460 Net Furry is just Fox Girl with an ears and tail.

00:47:29.200 Oh, I see.

00:47:30.260 What is a furry scale ranking system explained? 1.00

00:47:33.040 Going from a girl who's just got cat ears 0.85

00:47:34.940 to a girl with a furry face and ears and tail 0.97

00:47:39.200 to someone who looks like they're wearing a fursuit

00:47:42.700 to someone who looks like they're wearing a naked fursuit

00:47:47.280 to...

00:47:48.160 Actually, this one I don't think is good

00:47:49.160 because I think the first level of furry here

00:47:50.800 is like too furry.

00:47:53.420 We'll go back to the other one.

00:47:54.480 this is the more the the reason why this one's a little sketchy is just that she looks so young in

00:47:59.060 it oh i don't i didn't read young i just read drawn person drawn person i mean that's true

00:48:06.820 right everybody is drawn young well the problem is drawing a cute person the characteristics that

00:48:12.260 people see as cute are also big eyes that's a sign of youth also all these mannerisms that i

00:48:19.100 thought used to come from cartoons turned out to just be like that's a kid that's a two-year-old

00:48:23.700 But what we've seen in the reaction to the powder drama is it's like, well, if you're calling her a furry for that, I mean, are you calling Kirsha a furry?

00:48:31.160 Are you calling Smugalana a furry?

00:48:32.780 I mean, apparently he is.

00:48:34.980 And that's why I guess his argument made furries.

00:48:37.940 Absolutely no.

00:48:38.840 The reality is, as I think was in the right, we have learned, and it's very important for us to have this in our retinue to beat the left, the difference between yearning and gooning.

00:48:51.600 the difference between genuine sexual impropriety and utilizing arousal as a part of normal life

00:48:59.820 and not just punishing men for the things that they like right because the left has begun to do

00:49:05.180 that they've begun to make characters in video games ugly specifically female characters they've

00:49:08.600 begun to make characters in art less sexy and the the yearning making something visually appealing

00:49:16.100 is never a stand that we should ever allow ourselves to be pushed back from because you

00:49:21.840 can always spiral out from there and so powder taking the position this is just yearning bro

00:49:29.160 like you know this is this is not goon related this is not sexual impropriety putting cat ears

00:49:37.320 and a cattail on a girl um and admitting that that's cute is not like first of all i'm gonna

00:49:42.520 and i think one of the reasons why this this whole category of thing has not gone you know 1.00

00:49:48.800 everybody laughs at it is there's a reason why some of the most famous right-wing female vtubers

00:49:56.020 i even say the majority to the point that they made an entire song about it see skybrows uh no 0.99

00:50:02.180 fox given um dress up as level one to level two furry and that's that a lot of guys like that

00:50:12.500 okay yeah look and that doesn't put them at risk of being an animal all right it just means they

00:50:18.960 like things that look a little different sometimes well and also like even just furry furries furries

00:50:23.880 that go to fur cons um argue pretty vehemently around the whole are we aroused by animals or

00:50:30.520 zoo files like there's a lot of controversy around that no some of them clearly are but there's there

00:50:35.060 is clear and well-documented discomfort in the space around that no but simone i want to ask

00:50:41.960 you where are you on this chart what's your ideal the obviously level one like i think we would we

00:50:47.220 would all look no would you would you take would you take level one over human well so a tail um

00:50:55.440 that is not functional is just another handle to be grabbed right this is why i don't believe in

00:51:00.100 ponytails it's another handle to be grabbed i'm always looking at something from like a

00:51:03.480 what happens in a war scenario so you're immediately thinking how do i kill it well no i

00:51:09.720 mean what what what body part might i consider that would be a liability to me so the ears i

00:51:15.200 would take but the tail is a liability and that it could be something it is a handle any tail is a

00:51:21.500 handle ponytail is a handle any like long strap you have trailing from your body is a handle

00:51:25.640 which can any aggressor can take and use against you um so i wouldn't i wouldn't take the tail but

00:51:30.660 i would take the the ears you take the oh you're thinking for yourself for anyone but i also think

00:51:37.520 I wouldn't advise, like, I don't, I don't like putting, I mean, you could, you could see when

00:51:41.680 I give our girls braids, what are the braids used for? The point being is yeah. For pulling and

00:51:47.580 throwing their handles. The point being is that we have, um, moved past this idea that you can

00:51:56.640 attack women for using the female form to do, to, to please men as part of a process. There's a

00:52:07.120 difference between um being a a busty vtuber and putting out slop okay which is just like whatever

00:52:17.200 to having interesting philosophical or or uh research-based takes like say kirsha

00:52:24.220 and then uh to put some some boobs and some furry stuff in there because it's pleasing to look at 1.00

00:52:30.260 as well you've created just like why does rev have a female you know rig model like people like 0.70

00:52:37.500 looking at women i think women like looking at women when you when you the first thing i ever

00:52:42.500 learned about online ads was that people click on women more like and this is women and men it's

00:52:47.100 just things it's it's not i don't think we need to put that much thought into it and this is where

00:52:51.860 i come in with like our own not safe for work art and everything like that and and product is learn

00:52:56.780 to control yourself like this stuff is out there if this stuff is bad for you you're going to be

00:53:01.580 exposed to it regardless what i'm trying to do is give people a maximally pleasurable experience

00:53:06.120 you know when i'm watching when i'm making those you know insert cards in between this i don't make

00:53:10.500 an ugly simone i make a cute simone because cute simone is good simone right that's what you're

00:53:14.940 here for i love the implication there the second note i'd make here is you might not know about

00:53:20.800 this controversy but people have tried to take down straub for having done not safe for work

00:53:26.380 adjacent stuff in the past um and what she says like took it all down and that to me is a fine

00:53:33.600 answer a sign of contrition yeah it was like sexy asmr i think which i would actually argue is fine

00:53:41.320 even if she had left it up sexy asmr falls squarely into the category of yearning and not

00:53:47.680 gooning there it's just a sweet little thing like a sexy avatar or something like that whatever

00:53:53.940 but even if they were i still think that i would entirely and we as a community should entirely

00:54:02.440 forgive her if they have been taken down and she has apologized for it i think uh no just like

00:54:07.600 people change like christianity is about redemption like what are we what are you

00:54:12.340 talking about people right like trying to in a right-wing community because this person was 0.85

00:54:17.620 like a chud trying to attack powder for and he did this after he wouldn't review her his video 0.68

00:54:24.840 uh like to try to attack her oh no that's not right-wing communities right-wing communities 0.87

00:54:31.800 uh yeah the the um the only place this goes if you give them one ounce with this cord is they'll 0.77

00:54:43.260 going to use it to hang our community. And so I appreciate the two things that you are allowed to

00:54:50.000 do as a member of our community is one, grow as a person. I don't think a person should ever be

00:54:56.140 punished because now they're part of a community that disavows previous stances that they've made,

00:55:00.800 right? Like that's how you get new members. Are you saying we shouldn't have new members

00:55:04.200 because people can't make mistakes? I really do hate this whole thing of like, here's this thing

00:55:08.240 this person wrote 10 years ago that person is dead and then they don't exist anymore is

00:55:14.720 the world of yearning you you try to make something set Malfoyd is sexy right like that's

00:55:20.660 the whole point of Malfoyd right that's that's we're using something that is desirable against

00:55:26.500 leftists because they can't use the sexy Draco okay and we can and I don't think anyone the

00:55:35.620 people who are like pornography ruins life malfoy malfoy ruined your life okay uh you've got a 0.97

00:55:42.260 serious problem but where we do draw the line is bringing other people into your fetishes 0.97

00:55:47.340 okay uh using somebody else for part of your arousal that is i think something where we can

00:55:54.020 draw a pretty clear boundary um and then the uh next pretty clear boundary i would draw is

00:56:01.620 you should be the one ashamed if you assume a youtuber is a vtuber is whoever they present as

00:56:09.880 okay that's uh that's a non-use thing i'm i'm gonna say more broadly uh because the point

00:56:16.660 of a v2 being more broadly is pretending to be someone you're not uh i right because otherwise

00:56:23.340 they would just use their face otherwise they would just be who they are right but i understand

00:56:29.480 I mean, to be fair, like, if I were to use a VTuber rig, I would try to make something that looks like me.

00:56:35.240 I would, too, but I'm very proud of who I am.

00:56:37.820 Some people aren't.

00:56:38.240 And I think that not looking like who you are is still in valor.

00:56:41.300 I can't even dye my hair.

00:56:43.200 It seems wrong to me.

00:56:45.840 Yeah.

00:56:46.540 I didn't earn it.

00:56:47.700 I would argue, for my kids, I would have them choose VTuber rigs that look like themselves.

00:56:51.740 But, like, for other people, I think that, you know, different morality for different people, right?

00:56:55.640 Different ways of doing things.

00:56:56.620 the the final uh takeaway from all this is uh cheating is wrong whatever the circumstances

00:57:02.180 of your marriage um well because it's a violation of the of the of the contract of your marriage

00:57:09.800 though to be fair the we have a marriage contract it's explicit it is is a fat clause it has a no

00:57:16.980 boats clause it is a an agreeable temperature family holidays what to do with ailing parents

00:57:21.900 all sorts of it's a very detailed contract you know what the the violation like the the what's

00:57:28.320 the word like the fine the penalty is for breaking a rule it's well it hurts my feelings that's it

00:57:35.580 yeah it's not oh and then the marriage is over because look if you make that the penalty then

00:57:40.680 you're gonna have to follow through on it I mean it's understood that if you hurt someone's feelings

00:57:44.880 enough you know like if you just constantly violate the terms of your your relationship

00:57:48.900 contract or whatever it may be that that relationship is probably going to end but

00:57:54.060 to to just make you know a threat like that it's it's also a little dangerous and i just wanted

00:57:59.860 to point that out yeah i um that's the other thing that's gotten to me about all this is that

00:58:06.400 she's going straight to divorce over this well you said separated that's not separated and it

00:58:11.720 It seems clear they're moving towards a divorce.

00:58:13.680 I think, frankly, as bad as it would be if I –

00:58:19.420 well, you wouldn't even care if I cheat on you because I'm explicitly allowed to.

00:58:22.580 But, like, if I did it without telling you.

00:58:24.340 Yeah, because the term that we had set when we said that was, like, I have to –

00:58:29.380 You wouldn't go straight to divorce over this.

00:58:32.280 No, well, yeah, because that's the penalty of our marriage contract is it would hurt my feelings.

00:58:37.300 I mean, obviously it would.

00:58:38.160 Yeah, same as if you did it. 1.00

00:58:40.080 I don't – I wouldn't go straight to divorce if Simone cheated on me. 0.99

00:58:43.560 You'd be pretty disgusted, though.

00:58:45.180 I don't know if you know. 0.97

00:58:45.500 I'd be disgusted, and I'd probably never have sex with you again. 0.82

00:58:47.820 Yeah, you'd probably never. 0.82

00:58:49.580 I wouldn't go straight to divorce, right?

00:58:52.820 There would have to be enough other things.

00:58:54.520 Presumably, there were enough other things wrong, I guess, given –

00:58:57.200 Yeah, well, yeah.

00:58:58.540 Look, we don't know their lives.

00:59:00.940 We don't know what's going on behind closed doors.

00:59:03.440 The things that people think about us, right, that we have learned

00:59:06.800 because we've had enough people talk about us

00:59:09.100 as though they know what's going on in our lives

00:59:10.800 that people speculate wildly

00:59:13.340 and often get things very, very wrong.

00:59:16.340 And so who are we to say what's going on?

00:59:19.040 And this is all just,

00:59:20.540 this is your way of being able to point

00:59:24.140 to a couple of really important,

00:59:25.920 you think moral observations,

00:59:27.500 one that even surprises me,

00:59:28.640 which is the yearning for other people

00:59:30.560 that's acted upon as immoral.

00:59:32.760 And I think that's interesting,

00:59:34.160 but also, yeah, there's weight to that.

00:59:35.820 And I appreciate it.

00:59:36.800 yeah well it's something that becomes immoral when discovered but like

00:59:41.860 cheating is the same way like ethan wasn't hurting his wife until she learned about it right

00:59:47.720 um just because an act doesn't create i mean maybe he was if he was like not showing up for

00:59:53.400 important things for the kids or possibly exposing her to stis yeah or potentially getting somebody

00:59:59.980 else pregnant i mean you're you're absolutely right yeah um okay i agree with that well uh

01:00:06.060 It's been a fascinating week for all of this.

01:00:09.740 I just really hope that, oh yeah,

01:00:12.120 and also don't attack right-wing people over furry stuff.

01:00:14.980 Like nobody cares about furry stuff anymore.

01:00:16.640 You guys can put that in a box and go far, far away.

01:00:20.040 That is a normal part of human sexuality

01:00:23.160 and everybody is effing aware of that at this point.

01:00:26.420 You put cat ears on something and they're like,

01:00:29.080 ah, cute, I guess.

01:00:31.400 Cute, yeah.

01:00:31.940 I mean, I think to me, it's one of those things like that we find youth cute because it is right.

01:00:41.920 But we also like the the animal traits that show up in level one furries are most commonly animal traits that are associated with like with animals that have evolved to be very attractive to humans, you know, like.

01:00:58.180 Oh, that's a very interesting point.

01:01:00.000 And so we are, we are literally just leaning into things that we have co-evolved with other

01:01:05.080 species to love. And, uh, you know, we, we've, we've evolved to love children and, and think

01:01:10.500 they're cute so that we don't, you know, kill them. And we've evolved to think that dogs are

01:01:14.020 cute because they've evolved to, um, make us indispensable to us. Um, you know, the, the ugly

01:01:19.780 dogs didn't survive because we didn't keep them and we didn't feed them our food scraps. Um, and

01:01:25.180 so is it so weird that you know we would love a trait that some species has evolved to like

01:01:32.040 really get us excited you know it's uh it seems unfair unreasonable i agree i agree um uh and

01:01:41.120 what you could ask okay well what if somebody goes like super furry goes to conventions i think that

01:01:46.620 should be condemned because that can lead you to like a really bad lifestyle right like there's a

01:01:50.560 lot of weird and this is i think what happened was ember as well i i is i wonder if it might

01:01:59.740 have started that he just wanted to v-tube in a way where he knew he could hack the algo

01:02:05.300 and no because a lot of these searches are like three years ago like that was what i thought at

01:02:12.960 first when i first went into this okay maybe he just went in trying to hack the algo and then

01:02:17.360 it sort of brainwashed him into thinking he's a girl right like this but you know but i don't

01:02:22.380 think that that's what happened i think that we look at the timeline of pose he was into this

01:02:27.600 before he went into doing that and unfortunately if you're like well does this mean that like

01:02:35.680 if you happen to be turned on by like forced feminization you just shouldn't v-tube as a girl

01:02:43.020 and that whole pathway is away from you? 0.50

01:02:45.240 And I'm like, yes.

01:02:47.220 For example, if you're really turned on 0.97

01:02:49.640 by touching women's feets, 1.00

01:02:50.980 I don't think you should do women's shoe size footing 1.00

01:02:53.780 in a shoe store, okay? 0.99

01:02:55.680 I think we can all say like, yeah, I'm sorry.

01:02:59.160 I know it's a little unfair.

01:03:00.760 There's one career that just is always

01:03:02.820 gonna be ethically questionable to you,

01:03:05.240 but yeah.

01:03:07.900 And the guy who does the shoe fittings for women,

01:03:11.220 for you touching your bare feet has a foot fetish you don't have a problem with that

01:03:17.860 i mean i don't want anyone touching my feet what i will say is is is broadly regardless like i see

01:03:25.680 this as a low-level crime yeah yeah like low-level moral crime right and we talk about this and other

01:03:31.540 things we're like people are getting all weird about various sins and and meanwhile they're like

01:03:36.560 breaking three of the 10 commandments openly every day. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I, again,

01:03:43.280 this is not like the same level as like having an only fans or something like that. Um, yeah,

01:03:48.260 but yeah, it's a, it's, it's, I guess it's one of those things too, where better, better to not do

01:03:54.360 it. Um, because I think most women and even I being as tone deaf as I am have found myself in

01:04:01.020 positions where I'm like, this person's being a little weird about this thing. And I don't know

01:04:06.340 if i want to be in this situation anymore where people are clearly getting off on a thing that

01:04:10.680 i'm involved with and i'm um i want to extract myself from the situation so i think it's maybe

01:04:15.720 one of the situations like going back to my fishmonger example where like the person purchasing

01:04:20.220 the salmon from the fishmonger thinks that the fishmonger is unaware of what they're experiencing

01:04:26.100 internally and yet the fishmonger is standing there and the person's like oh yeah and you're

01:04:29.680 like no i know what you're doing and i don't like it um so like who maybe yeah this is an issue of

01:04:35.960 like people can't necessarily be sure that the person isn't finding out.

01:04:40.160 So just don't do it when,

01:04:41.260 when in doubt and there will always be doubt.

01:04:43.060 Don't do it.

01:04:43.640 So yeah,

01:04:44.360 you've changed my view on something,

01:04:45.500 which I appreciate very much.

01:04:47.120 Yeah.

01:04:47.600 Again,

01:04:48.000 I actually don't have any animosity over this event.

01:04:50.260 I could see how this could develop without at any point,

01:04:54.100 him realizing that he crossed a line.

01:04:56.940 And I feel a little,

01:04:58.460 a little awkward about Straub.

01:05:00.500 I wouldn't want to like reveal anything about anyone that they are not

01:05:05.540 ready to reveal like if if even if like they're if they're victimizing someone else i would tell

01:05:12.780 that person to be like that you know you don't want to be interacting with this person you know

01:05:16.600 like this yeah and with trauma i i i take you at this it could just be hormones in the moment or

01:05:20.940 something like this but well but also like there are people who love to kick up drama like and i

01:05:26.060 don't like themselves that i don't like that in a person i think that's it like a negative moral

01:05:30.640 trait but it can be very look but if you live on x you have to live off that right like that is how

01:05:38.080 you get engagement followers that's how you can monetize on x so like strop is a primarily x

01:05:43.960 figure i think you can't survive on that platform if you don't kick stuff up and i think that might

01:05:49.980 be one of the issues at play she is path dependent on being the kind of person who does that from a

01:05:55.440 career standpoint so i also i should i didn't consider that and i should also consider that

01:06:00.120 that like this has probably been a boon for her account in terms of engagement oh yeah of course

01:06:04.640 it has yeah um and i presume that her account is monetized and therefore she only financially

01:06:10.280 benefits from this and you're always monetized anymore doesn't it does no x ended monetization

01:06:16.000 you can have subscriptions though x ended monetization people can't make money on x

01:06:21.380 anymore yes you can google it yes you can oh my goodness um okay hold on i'm just gonna

01:06:29.880 log into x because it's gonna it's gonna show that we can't monetize because we're not a big

01:06:35.100 enough deal because we're such losers you're not even asking an ai come on okay so i'm going to 0.60

01:06:41.460 blah blah blah let's see more creator studio subscriptions ineligible ineligible oh you

01:06:50.300 mean yeah so x officially shut down its creator revenue sharing program september 7th i know i

01:06:56.300 no but you can still have subscriptions if you're not a loser like we are um you just have to i

01:07:00.560 don't think that i don't think that um that's like i don't i don't see that as justification

01:07:05.600 i can make money off of something for turning on community members unless you think thing is

01:07:11.620 posting on x isn't it it is it is do i mean do we have to do as many women as to our terrible

01:07:19.020 episodes as we do do we do we really malcolm do we but we do you're literally your argument here

01:07:26.000 is it's a frog in the scorpion situation women like drama like of course i didn't say women like

01:07:31.900 drama look lyman stone is very successful on x and he can't help but like get involved in drama

01:07:36.760 i mean there's no reason why he had to get involved in the shrimp welfare wars but he did

01:07:41.260 because he couldn't help himself but it's really good for him on x but he says he doesn't even like

01:07:46.220 drama like when he's gotten on fake fights with us on there i know except it's good for him i like

01:07:51.380 from a from a visibility standpoint i think it helps the institute for family studies i think

01:07:55.680 it helps him personally. I think it helps his, his demographic consultancy business to, to show

01:08:00.280 to clients that level of engagement on a major social media platform is a net positive to him.

01:08:05.760 So it's one of those things, like if you're, if you're constantly rewarded for a vice,

01:08:10.380 even if it stresses you out, even if it's not a good thing.

01:08:14.900 I just, I think that you should never take, you should always, you should never take glee and the

01:08:20.980 downfall or harm of in somebody from your own community's career I don't think Straub took

01:08:26.280 pleasure in doing that like I don't think I look I can't speak for other people I don't

01:08:33.220 understand people make no sense to me I'm let's hide away in our little house here with our kids

01:08:39.160 who are but I'm not saying that I'm not saying this is the condemnation of Straub I'm just saying

01:08:42.580 of what we should normalize as a community more broadly like yeah no I mean these are real people

01:08:47.480 who are going through like real hard times

01:08:49.360 and we are all subject to temptation and sin.

01:08:52.500 And that doesn't mean that we should normalize it,

01:08:54.340 but we should know to any one of us,

01:08:57.640 there are things in our past

01:08:59.820 that somebody could come and try to attack us with.

01:09:03.280 And it is good if we have a community of people around us

01:09:07.360 that has built norms

01:09:08.920 around reflectively defending community members

01:09:12.380 unless they're being actual negative externalities

01:09:14.880 to outsiders.

01:09:15.380 and uh the the reason why i've modified my perspective on strab and yushki's take on this

01:09:20.900 is because i do think that ember was being a negative externality now which i didn't think

01:09:25.720 when i first heard about this oh because of the the moral thingy yeah but but but i don't see

01:09:29.860 that as like a huge thing and this is all a maybe because this is all alleged so no it's not alleged

01:09:35.160 he said i'm a guy well i know but i'm saying the like the book and the things are turning on and

01:09:40.460 the fantasies and the stuff well um okay sad day for them i hope uh their careers survive i hope

01:09:49.100 that they learn from this and build something i mean straub did i mean i'm sorry uh you know

01:09:55.500 he did come out and admit it even when the proof wasn't that strong well and i mean maybe this is

01:10:01.800 a net positive in terms of subscribers who knows um i don't think so no no i actually

01:10:08.600 didn't mind his show before um oh but you i didn't like interesting just so now that you know he's a

01:10:16.620 dude you're not as like okay with it you don't like it no i get a creepy feeling when i see his

01:10:22.040 avatar and like fishnets and stuff like this that he has look up the the the uh ember the ember

01:10:28.880 paradox holding screen so yours here's an example okay well that's interesting i did so this this

01:10:37.580 is just like what it shows in between shots um or holding screen meadow that's the more common one

01:10:42.840 wow you've actually like watched a decent amount of ember paradox stuff not a decent amount but

01:10:48.480 like i i i it's it's one of my least favorite right-wing streamers because it's just so basic

01:10:53.160 in the takes that it has um so i don't like i'm just like whatever but like i'm not finding uh

01:11:01.600 starting the screen is that what it's called well i'm concerned about the fire hazards that

01:11:07.020 character is surrounded by but like you the fire hazard whatever it's a character the point being

01:11:13.920 is i get like a creepy feeling when i see a sexualized woman wearing sexualized female

01:11:19.540 paraphernalia yeah rev doesn't and i know that a man is behind it like rev doesn't weird and he's

01:11:26.760 a dude's voice and it's it's not like a yeah it's not like a woo woo woo if rev did that you make

01:11:33.700 sound like a fire truck it's not i have concerns okay which which no concerns but it would it would

01:11:41.980 weird me out like i don't want to feel this way i'm not coming into this guy's stream wanting to

01:11:47.640 feel like ew like why is it it ruins it breaks the fourth wall for you it's too much it breaks

01:11:54.220 the first wall and like it's it's it's knowing that the the peter pan at disneyland goes home

01:12:00.060 and buys starbucks and watches netflix and it ruins the fantasy okay fair enough um yeah well

01:12:07.940 the uh i love you the shame love you too upskirt shots yeah i guess he didn't need to do upskirt

01:12:13.680 shots no no no this is clearly like not the the uh the stockings of the um you know the it's it's

01:12:22.420 it's a lot uh it's it's i mean it's clearly sexualized in a way that feels like i'm being

01:12:28.460 drawn into this sexual fantasy that i don't i don't gives me the willies um and i don't i don't

01:12:33.780 mean to feel that way it's just the way i do feel right like i can't uh i can't turn that off yeah

01:12:38.120 um and i suspect you promised me when we got married you couldn't you couldn't promise to

01:12:42.760 love me forever we can't control our emotions because that's actually true we can't you can't

01:12:47.440 promise these things you can't promise how you can feel well that sucks for her him they them

01:12:52.780 and i love you i'm gonna make you bacon and fries tonight if that's all right with you

01:12:58.080 that works for me i'd love if you could begin stalling some steak i'd love to try some bulgogi

01:13:02.900 yes yes okay we shall we shall thaw that in fact it might be better for it to be partially frozen

01:13:09.440 for me to thinly slice it tomorrow so it's it's good for me to get that going yeah okay um and i

01:13:15.600 uh deeply love you and i think that you are an amazing woman and the funny thing is it's like

01:13:20.980 we don't really have any big scandals that i'm aware of we have one scandal that's going to come

01:13:25.640 out in the documentary that is so annoying that i i was on our site and they asked me oh that's

01:13:31.480 not a scandal that was you entering a prompt and getting something that didn't come well come out 0.98

01:13:37.080 well um i entered a prompt of a puritan woman because they're like how not safe for work at

01:13:41.400 this go i was like anime puritan woman stripping one of them came out as a real life underage

01:13:47.640 puritan woman crying while she strips and i was like oh my god it's the early days of ai it messes

01:13:56.320 up sometimes but that's okay that's okay this is this is how we get a mouth you have no idea how

01:14:02.460 much that's gonna blow up i know what's gonna blow up is me like not me saying stuff that makes me

01:14:09.700 look like a terrible backstabbing monster and then then the documentary is gonna come out and

01:14:15.620 you're like, Oh, Simone, it's okay. I understand. Like you, you know, you're really stressed around 0.71

01:14:19.040 the team. Then the documentary is going to come out and you'd be like, Simone, I hate you. This 0.67

01:14:23.180 is all your fault. Everyone thinks I'm a bad person now. And I'm never going to hear the end

01:14:28.860 of it. And I I'm really dreading that. I'm really dreading that. I'm like, is this going to, is this

01:14:34.580 going to end our marriage? Because I said the wrong thing on camera after an article has come

01:14:38.600 out about me this is different and also i haven't messed up with journalists in the same way um that

01:14:46.040 we've that has ended up on film like there was that one time when vice was here and was it by

01:14:51.860 someone else and they were like can you explain in your enemy's words uh what they think is wrong

01:14:58.080 with you uh and i was like okay and i like really i was like no you don't you never talk from the

01:15:05.440 perspective of somebody who doesn't like you but i i can very easily put myself in their shoes

01:15:09.540 so that wasn't that wasn't but that didn't but all the i you know all the stuff that i've i've

01:15:13.440 messed up saying um that's my big fear is you're just you're never gonna forgive me and i'm very

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01:16:02.760 Love you.

01:16:03.620 I love you too.

01:16:04.400 That Zoolander clip where he's like.

01:16:05.760 Yeah, we've been working on making it so that you can make physical products on our fab.

01:16:11.840 And we have like 200 products in our inventory now that you can make.

01:16:16.400 And one of them was a mouse pad.

01:16:17.740 And so I wanted to test it.

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01:16:23.900 What is that? 0.99

01:16:25.100 It's like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:16:26.500 You do have big hands. 1.00

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01:16:29.160 the the project i'm actually really excited about but i haven't tested yet so don't you know order

01:16:34.660 without knowing it hasn't been tested yet i still need to test it so uh it is the porter decals

01:16:42.720 so it uses goodness vinyl clings and what what are you talking about whatever a window

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01:16:57.460 a ship portal oh well no fireplace that's cute um yeah like a ship yeah there we go come on

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01:17:24.380 actually making your own size so what you can do is you can make it like giant like the size of an

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01:17:32.820 that you can you can add i don't know thought it was pretty fun i like it okay uh torsten has

01:17:43.500 called me and he desires more milk i'm going are you gonna go get him more milk

01:17:48.820 he needs to eat he needs all okay toasty i'm on my way and i will be

01:17:54.620 he gotta eat he got the mouse pad so we can show them oh yes oh yes that's perfect yeah i'll go

01:18:02.860 get the mouse pad the mouse pad of ridiculousness yeah the boys are so sweet did you get the mouse

01:18:10.740 pad yeah i did okay so normal mouse pad like this size right malcolm's mass pad

01:18:17.780 i would have undersold it with two foot by two foot i can't even fit it all in can you see it

01:18:26.640 all now so apparently i had made the wrong product the default mouse pad this is an actual type of

01:18:33.140 mouse pad that gamers use when they have like really low sensitivity settings on their mice

01:18:38.180 for playing shooter competitive shooter games yeah so um what even okay made in china printed

01:18:47.740 in usa it doesn't say like what it thinks it's supposed to be but this ain't no working

01:18:55.640 otherwise a high quality mouse it's like it has like the the border of a mouse pad you know it

01:19:01.380 has the like all the all the trappings it's the thickness of a mouse pad it is everything that a

01:19:07.000 mouse pad should have except for the size and i can't use it as like i'd use it as an infant

01:19:13.480 blanket but it's um not quite big enough i guess um changing pad i will find some use for this

01:19:27.420 this sweet thing but it smells good i love the smell of um synthetic fabrics

01:19:35.080 sometimes okay so apparently it's something called a gaming mouse pad and it's a real

01:19:41.680 product that people use i just wait no like because they're all over the place flailing

01:19:51.160 like a gamer a gaming mouse pad okay well yeah maybe someday we'll get the boob mouse pad

01:20:02.380 where you can just put your living avatar,

01:20:05.000 your AI girlfriend, like, print it on the,

01:20:07.260 you know, the boob mouse pad.

01:20:08.720 You could do that now.

01:20:09.600 You could do not-safe-for-work prints.

01:20:11.320 No, no, no.

01:20:11.760 I mean, no, it's like 3D.

01:20:13.500 It has the ergonomic wrist rest.

01:20:16.720 Of the boob.

01:20:17.600 Okay, yeah, yeah.

01:20:18.360 I know what you're talking about.

01:20:19.160 Yeah, I'm talking about that, obviously.

01:20:21.960 You knew instantly what I was talking about

01:20:23.580 when I said the boob shirt,

01:20:24.860 and yet you don't know what I mean

01:20:26.100 when I talk about the boob iPad.

01:20:28.800 So we're going to get started here.

01:20:32.180 Okay.

01:20:32.380 he's in for the clothes he's going oh they have the hanging candles i love it

01:20:42.100 okay little triceratops do you know what to say you want me to carry you girl yeah she's crawling

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Based Camp - November 03, 2026

An Anthropology of the Nerd Right’s Emerging Sexual Morality

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