An Anthropology of The Woke Right (Why You Need US)
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A play-by-play of a piece that has gone viral on this podcast that is a tool for how the non-woke right can attack and destroy people like you and me. Today we discuss the concept of the "Woke Right" and how it has evolved to be a tool to attack people like us. We also discuss the role of "No enemies to the right" by Nick Foyntes.
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Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be discussing
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the concept of the woke right and how it has evolved to be a tool to attack people like you
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and me. And we are also going to be discussing the play-by-play of a piece that has sort of
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gone viral on this that is a tool for how the non-woke right can attack and destroy people
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like you and me. Okay. When the term was first popularized by James Lindsay, I don't know if
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he coined it, but the broad, vague idea is it was for sort of right-wing extremists who used some
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tactics that reminded them of the left, like not really engaging in debates, not really engaging
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on the other side critically, etc. Identity politics, right? Identity politics, yeah. It has dramatically
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evolved since then as a concept to mean the new right as a political movement, to very explicitly
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attack people like you and me. And so to give you what I mean, I'll be reading a bit from the piece
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here. Obviously, I skip around to the center where it gets into the meat of the topic. The woke right
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stands at the door. And so they say, the MAGA right has strange and sinister qualities which look
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nothing like the traditional religious wing of conservatism familiar from our era of William
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F. Buckley or anti-government libertarian conservatism of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.
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It's anarchic rejection of truth. It's Nietzschean-esque embrace of power as self-justifying.
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It's unashamed anti-liberalism. And it's glee and transgressing boundaries and giving offense
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are something new to the right. And I'm going to stop there before I go into the next part,
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I'd actually say everything he says so far is exactly this channel. Not the traditional
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religious right. Certainly, we're not libertarian either. We have criticized libertarianism. The
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rejection of what he calls truth. Now, keep in mind, when he says truth, he'll get into what he
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means by that later. He means the truth that's decided on by the elites, basically. And how dare
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they question what us and the intellectuals say. Oh, come on. Really?
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To protect the world from devastation. To unite all peoples within our nation. To denounce the
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evils of truth and love. To extend our reach to the stars above.
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The Nietzschean embrace of power as self-justifying. First, we're fans of Nietzsche. We've said this in
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other videos. Not enough to pronounce his name correctly. I read his stuff and I thought it was
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good. It was more like I went to his stuff while we were doing a podcast because I was like,
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how bad can this really be? And I'm like, oh, this all sounds fairly inoffensive and like
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decent advice. And even that niche guy, decent advice. Yeah, niche. Look, I'm not going to dirty my
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mouth with un-American words or sounds. Okay. I mean, transgressing boundaries with like a joke like
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that, right? You know, sort of playing into this. The idea of power is self-justifying. Well,
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I wouldn't say that the do-right sees power as just self-justifying. It does see power as,
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and we'll get into this because we're also going to get into in this video, the concept of,
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is there such a thing as, like, should we hold to the concept of no enemies to the right?
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Is it a reference to the phalanx? Oh, it might be. But the point of it means,
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it's like the right wing and the right wing generally doesn't, is it doesn't eat its own
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in the way the left wing does. And it's like, let's not start that in the way these people
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trying to coin this new, this woke right. Otherwise you'll break the line. That's why
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it was to the right. But I will say, and we'll get into this later. Okay. Yeah. Is there is actually
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utility in being able to call out certain types of right wing beliefs as damaging and traitorous.
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Yeah. And here I'll get into, I'll use sort of Nick Foyntes as an avatar for this is specifically
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we need to, well, we shouldn't call out an individual for having beliefs that are extremely
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right wing. I think that just shutting down conversation, not engaging with that stuff.
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I think that's bad, right? Yeah, totally. But, but if you come to the table and you use the right wing
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sort of social media ecosystem to build a platform, and then you start to say, if the mainstream right
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wing organizations like the president and stuff like that, don't capitulate to my vision of the
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right wing party, I will tell my voters, which he did to not vote for mainstream conservative
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candidates. You're just, and I'd even say that all of that is okay. Up into the point where the
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direction you want them to shift could never win an actual election cycle. And if you're playing this
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game and it's clearly not like, even if I secretly held all of your beliefs, I would not be doing the
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things you're doing because they are directly counter to your own stated beliefs. And so if you
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are doing them, it must mean you don't really hold those beliefs and you're just sort of parasitizing
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the right wing social media landscape to build the clout yourself, or you're just incredibly stupid
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and can't think five steps ahead. But I'm going to guess it's the first one. And then we'll get
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into evidence for that and other things here. So I do think we do need to be able to say when
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somebody is regularly telling their followers to not vote or not regularly, if they ever use the
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goodwill of the right to build a right wing audience and then tell their followers not to vote for
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mainstream right wing politicians, especially if it's over insane things like Trump's VP being in an
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interracial marriage. Buddy, if we go back to a party against interracial marriages, you're not going to win
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any election cycle, even if only Republicans are voting. But we'll get into all that in a second.
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But so the reason why I was just going over all this, you know, transgressing boundaries with
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Greece, anti-liberalism, a lot of people see a lot of our philosophy because we've done videos where we
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talk about the benefits of monarchy, where we talk about the benefits of social systems, where it's not
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one individual, one vote, where we talk about ways that capitalism could fail us, because we're open to
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criticizing these questions. And then the old right just wasn't open to questioning or criticizing these
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things. And you see this across the right now, you know, whether it's Curtis Garvin, mainstream
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right wing monarchist, who's been on our show. So obviously, you know, aligned with us, or the
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aristocratic utensil, you know, another monarchist who's been on the show. And so when they say the
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woke right now, they're talking about you, me, and our friends. And they're saying, why can't we just go
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back to that theocratic system, that libertarian system, that was still aristocratic and elitist,
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where we held sway. Wow. But this morning, I just listened to Barry Weiss's interview with the
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author of the Free Press's piece on the rise of the woke right. And this is Regan text realizing so
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many of the things that the author was saying. Because he, yeah, he was really arguing that this
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is identity politics, and it's just white nationalists, and it's, they're coming for your
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sons. But then, you know, he was talking about various instances, where there were people who
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were like a radicalized headmaster at his sons, I think it was a classical Christian school. And like,
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he, yeah, he was clearly identifying as one of those more old guard, 90s, Republican Christians
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who wanted to legislate their values upon other people, whether or not they held his same religious
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beliefs. So wow. Yeah. Which is not cool, from our perspective. Yeah. Get off my lawn.
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And I'd also note here that they try to police the arguments that you can make. So they'll say
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something like, the woke right is, you know, white nationalists, when they're generally not white
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nationalists, because they play identity politics, right? Like, but they would play us as playing
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identity politics. Because we've pointed out before, right, like, there genuinely is a sort of
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evolved cabal of interests that victimizes straight white males throughout most of the West. And you are
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trying to set up the game board to say that we can't say that, that we can't see that we might have
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a shared common interest with anyone else who's victimized for this same reason. Now, no, this isn't
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just straight white males who are black males are victimized by this system. White women are
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victimized by this as well. White women are probably one group that's not, let's say Chinese women are
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victimized by this system. You know, a lot of people are victimized by this system and have common cause
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to, to recognize that they are. But when you point out that we're not allowed to recognize that,
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and we're not allowed to have in-group preference as a system for record for, for fighting that,
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you're sort of defanging one of the core arguments you can make that's not in the traditional
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theocratic camp of arguments to prevent us from having relevance. And yet it is absolutely something
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we need to recognize within the current world. But I want to get back to the thing that they're
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getting fundamentally wrong. And it's glee of transgressing boundaries and giving offense or
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something new on the right, an embrace of postmodernism, which until recently was exclusively property of
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the illiberal left. And this is what they're all getting wrong. They keep associating, and you'll
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see this throughout this, is the new right or the woke right, as they call it, with postmodernism.
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And they draw this because they see our glee and transgression values. If you look at our video
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on the aesthetics of the new right we did with Roy Agnationalist and sort of the aesthetics of
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his magazine, Man's World, you look at the art of this, you see tons of boundary transgressions.
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You see integration of AI and anime with our memes and everything like that, which people see as like
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low culture and vulgar, and they're trying to police us into not using these things. But we don't do it
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for the reasons that the postmodernists do it. Essentially, and I looked up, like, what's the
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definition of postmodernism? Because if you're watching this and you're like, what is postmodernism?
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Postmodernism is characterized by a rejection of grand narratives and universal truths associated with
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modernism. And we'll get into what modernism is within these guys' minds and everything like that.
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And they're confuting anti-elitism, i.e. we reject their social norms with rejecting all social norms.
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So they basically came and they go, why won't you play with the rules that we set up? Oh, you refuse to
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play by my rules, the rules of the elite. Therefore, you must be anti-rule altogether. You seem to glee
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in violating my rules. Therefore, you must not have any system of ethics or rules. And that's not true.
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We have a new system of ethics or rules that we are convergently evolving into. A great example of
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this that I've mentioned with Man's World is they did something originally that we did originally,
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which is that they published, you know, breaking rules, old Playboy-like images, like vintage stuff,
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right? Because it's like classy, classic American, transgression boundaries. But then people are like,
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look, I want to use this at the coffee table book. I have kids in my house. Like, I understand why
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you're doing this, but I want this to be something that's consumable by kids. And in our video, we used
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to curse and insert clips where people curse quite frequently. And now I try pretty hard to remove all
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curse words from our episodes because some people were like, hey, kids watch this. And so we are vulgar
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in that we transgress boundaries. And we may talk about sex and sexuality, honestly. And we may talk about
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kinks, honestly, but we don't insert vulgarity for the sake of vulgarity, right? And you see this in,
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you know, rye nationalists, intentionally not using punctuation correctly, intentionally not using
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grammar correctly. He's doing this to thumb his nose at the elite institutions, right?
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Yeah. And people with degrees from elite institutions sometimes choosing to adopt anonymous identities to
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Yeah. And you see this across the new right. You see, obviously, what's his face went to Yale,
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the one who were just, no, Bronze Age pervert, rye nationalists, Oxford and Cambridge after he was
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doxxed. Like, you just keep saying that after these people get doxxed, they are smart. They beat the old
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system. They could be using the old system as a crutch in the way that this guy does, but they don't
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because they want to play by the new rules, the rules where only your ideas matter, right? And I think
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that these guys, guys like this, they don't like that, right? And so they're, and so we'll keep
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going into this, but fortunately for us, because we're going to go into his entire game plan,
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his entire game plan rests on misunderstanding that the new right has no social norms and is
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genuinely postmodern, except that it has a new set of social norms that is incredibly against high
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culture, you know, opera, academia, culture, but this is the right way to do things. This is the
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wrong way to do things because we learned that those forms of culture were used by the urban
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monoculture as a lure to entice people. They said, if you want to be high class, you want to go to the
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opera, you need to speak and act and not hold these beliefs and not say things like this and not question
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these things. And we're like, oh, you found a way to use all of this against us. We're not playing that
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game anymore. Thoughts before I go further. No, keep going. And then he goes on to say,
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a generation ago, normies in the academy and other elite cultural institutions failed to see the
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postmodern left for what it was. And so they were run over, but from their failure can be gleaned the
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postmodern rights weakness today and we can exploit them. So they're coming at us. These old fogies,
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these boomer rights, okay. They are one of our enemies and they've stated ourselves. We will go
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anti-right where we can, if we can use it to maintain the boomer status quo.
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If we can keep you from theorizing about is like, like in the same way that the woke said, oh, there's,
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there's questions and things you're not allowed to muse. They say, you can't muse whether democracy
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actually works. You can, you know, whether it's actually the best system anymore. Now that we have AI
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and other tools, you know, you can't muse about human genetics. You can't muse about like, we
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decided that those were topics you're not allowed to talk about. You know, you can't muse about where
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human sexuality, you know, how it works because that's not something right-wing thinkers do. And
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I'm like, well, then you left a huge gaping window that the left has used to bludgeon us
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for the past 50 years. Yeah. You know, we're, we're engaging with this stuff because you guys
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failed. Your system failed. Your beliefs failed. It led to the rise. All of this horribleness that
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we're dealing with now grew on your rotting corpse. Yeah. Under their watch. And I guess,
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but it only makes sense so that they would, there would be some kind of death row. There would be some
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type of desperate attempt to reclaim control or fight back against that, which is replacing them.
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Yeah. One of the funniest things I'll often find is, is the person who often gets targeted as like
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the new, the woke right guy. And I think it's just because he's decided to fight back against this
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concept, which good on him for doing this is, uh, what's his, his name? He does Lotus Eaters, Sargon of
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Akkad. Oh. And, and what's funny, I was finding funny about Sargon of Akkad. If you look at Sargon of Akkad,
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like actual values and, and policy, I think he would frame us as being like left-wing people in
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a right-wing space. If you actually look at our values rather than, than what we say or our public
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opinion, we are to the right of him. The only space that I can find where he's significantly to the
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right of us is on abortion. And I'd say that we are right of center on abortion because we definitely
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want a lot more restrictions on it, but we're not for life being as a conception. And I think that
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he's at around that area. Well, he's actually an atheist and we are quite religious now. When we
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started our influence lives, the atheists, I even go so far as it calls for religious extremists now,
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which puts us also in quite a more conservative camp, but because our religion is different,
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other people are like, eh, but it's probably no different than a conservative Mormon or something.
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So, you know, but I, but I always find that interesting that somehow he's known as this far
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right person, but it's actually just because he rose to fame during the era of cancellation.
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I mean, during the era of YouTube demonetization and everything like that. And so he was like
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defenestrated for pretty milquetoast views, which is kind of sad, right? Like he paved the ray for a
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lot of the rest of us, but you might be thinking, oh, it's just this one piece who frames the woke
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right as postmodern. So I'm gonna go to another piece. This is a, is there a woke right by the
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American reformer? Um, and they were quoting somebody else. Oh, so they say, for example,
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in 2020, I succinctly defined wokeness as a society is divided into oppressed and oppressor groups
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along lines of race, class, gender, sexuality, et cetera. Now note, he wants to prevent people from
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saying that, right? That's a problem. If society is literally divided into oppressed and oppressor
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class groups. And one of the oppressed groups is white, straight people and males, right? Like
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there clearly is a social hierarchy of ethnicities and genders and sexual orientations within the
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urban monoculture. And he's like, you are on the woke, right? If you call that out hegemonic power,
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but privileged people are blind. So three, we need to defer to the lived experiences of the
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marginalized to four dismantle the unjust systems. Basically he's saying, you can't call out the
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current system that we're under right now, or you're in the woke, right? And this was something
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that a lot of the old right people started reading about when people went out there and been like,
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no, the system is rigged against men right now. There is an earning gap, a pay gap among youth.
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Apparently this was something we needed to panic about when it was women for young men right now.
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There is? Whoa, really? I didn't know that. So for like college grads,
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yeah, there's an employment gap. There's a, obviously getting into college gap. There's
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an education gap. It's just sort of all across the board. Young men are obviously systemically
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discriminated against society. Yeah. I didn't know there was a pay gap though. Honestly,
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I just figured like if anything that the college gap was favorable, maybe it would drive more young
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men into the trades, which are lucrative and practical and going to do better. I think initially
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with AI anyway, so. Yeah. And then he goes on here and he says, so from here, he seeks to redefine
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woke right in precisely analogous terms. One, society is divided into straight white men and
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their enemies. Now, very few like well-known people on the woke right here would say straight white men
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and their enemies. We would say the convergence. This is a bit like saying the left is about,
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you know, trans black gay women and their enemies. And it's like, no, it's about all of
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the intersecting discriminated groups that have some reason to want equality to be reintroduced
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to our society. Right. So it is straight men and white men and other, and there's a lot of other,
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like Asian men are, are in terms of college admission, for example, much more discriminated
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against than white men. Jews are more discriminated against in some contexts, simply because they
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outperform other groups, just about any group that is generally speaking, outperforming other groups
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due to more work. You know, as we pointed out with Asian groups, they just spend a lot more time
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working on homework. I think it was like 11 extra hours a week. And I was like, yeah, like, okay,
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I get it. They're trying to normalize for that, remove that from them. So they're trying to,
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why do they need to take this weapon away from us? Because when they do, then they can bring the
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right conversation back to only let's impose our theocratic norms. Let's remove regulation.
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Right. Instead of let's try to build a society that works. And then two hegemonic norms, the long
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house, post-war consensus, Judeo-Christianity, but normies are blind. So three, we need to red pill
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them. Four, retake the West. Okay. But here's the thing. The West has been conquered by the urban
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monoculture. This is very obvious. This is a new cultural movement. If you value, if you view your
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culture as an iteration of the ancient Western tradition, and keep in mind, there's many,
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they pretend like there's one ancient Western tradition. Like for example, the most base level,
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the Protestant tradition and the Catholic tradition are not the same tradition. The Orthodox tradition
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is not the same tradition. The Jewish tradition is not the same tradition. We are all allied together
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as descendants of a tradition that used to allow multiple groups that were different from each
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other to work together in harmony because the fire nation attacked, you know, the urban monoculture
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came along and said, no, there can only be one way of thinking and one way of acting. And if you look at
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one of the things that made the ancient Western tradition unique, like you look at the early
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Americas, it was many highly diverse groups. And I talked to people today who like, just don't know
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their history. And they're like, come on, early America wasn't as diverse as modern American. I'm
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like, no, it was culturally significantly more diverse. If you're contrasting Quaker and Cavalier views
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on just about anything or Quaker and Puritan or Puritan and Cavalier or Cavalier and Backwoods,
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all of these cultures were, I mean, no one in America today are very few. You're not gonna have
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like a major cultural region in the US. It's like, well, yeah, some humans should be owned by other
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humans because there are a genetic sub-race, you know, but that was common back then. And it was
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like an excellent... They must be referring to racial diversity then, I guess, right?
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No, no. They have this myth of America as a Christian nation. When they don't understand that
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Christianity was in Quakerism was probably as distant... I would say that these two things are
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as distant from each other, like if you're viewing Quaker Christianity and Puritan Christianity,
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as set... What is it? Roman mass Catholics and Unitarian Universalism.
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Oh, yeah. No, super, super different. Well, and then you had the Cavaliers in the South who kind of
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didn't really care. They were just the second sons who were looking to make a fortune.
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So yeah, there was massive religious diversity. Like you had two religious extremists who were
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super against the Church of England, didn't like what they were doing. And then you had the guys
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who were like, yeah, I'm fine with the Church of England. What a state had I inherited the house,
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you know? But what I'm pointing out here is they're coming to the table saying you can't point out that
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something like a long house exists, that something like Judeo-Christian value systems exists,
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that something like the urban monoculture exists, and that they are our enemies.
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And you can't point out that people need to be red-pilled or woken up to that our mainstream
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narratives are wrong, right? Like this is what they come to the table whiz because they want
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to undermine us. These people are not like of the right-wing movement. You can try to come up with a
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phrase for them. But I think like in the same way that they call the woke right, people are like,
00:23:07.440
they're not real right. It's not that they're real right. I guess boomer right. They're boomer right.
00:23:13.880
No, they're not. Because there are extremist Christians on the woke right. There are good
00:23:20.500
So they're not that. They are boomer right. They want to recreate the right that created the
00:23:26.140
wokes. That the wokes already beat. You had your shot, guys. And yes, I am Nishian. And I view
00:23:32.100
your weakness with disgust. But yeah, so it's not just them that are enemies. I have also noted,
00:23:36.920
and I don't like think anything bad about Nick Foyntes. Nick Foyntes was one of the first
00:23:40.600
mainstream figures to talk about us. He talked about us in positive terms. I think that he's
00:23:45.380
sort of doing a shtick, similar to what Andrew Tate is. As we note, I sort of think Andrew Tate
00:23:51.160
became the shtick. He reminds me of the guy in Tropic Thunder who forgot if he was playing a
00:24:04.080
Took a whole lot of time just to get up that hill. Now we up in the big leagues.
00:24:10.980
Kidding our turnipats. Long as we live it to you and me, baby.
00:24:16.160
That's the theme song for the Jeffersons. You really need help.
00:24:19.660
Yeah, just because the theme song don't make it not true.
00:24:21.480
I know he's just the character every day when he wakes up. I don't, I think Nick Foyntes is very
00:24:28.340
aware of what he's doing, but I don't, I think that part of me makes me even sadder that he's doing
00:24:34.140
it because he knows that his views hurt our overall chances of winning and he's more concerned with his
00:24:39.940
status. You know, like trying to make anti-Semitism institutional to right-wing institutions.
00:24:44.980
Even if you and I were secretly anti-Semitic, we wouldn't push that because it wouldn't,
00:24:49.980
you need to win the incremental victories first, even if that's your long-term goal.
00:24:53.960
Well, do you think maybe, maybe he sees it as trying to move the Overton window. Like he knows
00:24:58.260
it's not going to lead to any real progress, but he just is trying to change what people think is
00:25:04.240
even if that was the case and he wouldn't tell people not to vote for Trump, but he seems to
00:25:08.740
sincerely, and keep in mind, you can look at our videos of the bigots turned against Trump,
00:25:11.860
you know, Leather Apron Club did the same thing. Don't vote for Trump. David Duke did the same
00:25:16.320
thing. Richard Spencer did the same thing. We've sort of seen this across this sort of group that
00:25:20.840
went really far in this one direction. So it was not just like Nick Foyntes who was doing this.
00:25:24.760
I think all of these guys can be perfectly pleasant human beings. I think a lot of them are
00:25:28.660
intellectual powerhouses. I really like Leather Apron Club as a thinker, but I think that at the end of
00:25:34.200
the day, if you gave somebody a knife once and they stabbed you in the back, you can never give them a knife
00:25:38.900
again. That's the problem, right? Like if they oppose our collective interest, because they know
00:25:45.220
Donald Trump winning is better than Kamala winning, like from their own stated value set. So either
00:25:49.660
they're lying about their value set, or they don't actually care about that value set. They just care
00:25:53.620
about using people. I'm just trying to think if there's any other thing. Maybe if they think that
00:25:58.040
if there's four more years for unrest to be fomented among the right, then they will be even
00:26:04.300
stronger. Like there's something, there's an inherent weakening that takes place when your
00:26:08.860
side has won and you become indolent. I'm just trying to think through what else it could possibly
00:26:14.700
be, because it just seems so otherwise... Intentionally self-serving? Yeah.
00:26:22.080
Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, a lot of these people have sort of been pushed out of the mainstream
00:26:27.000
right or the woke right, because when the right has more solidified our alliance with Israel,
00:26:36.460
which was really sort of forced through these recent wars, i.e. forced to pick a side. And before,
00:26:41.960
a lot of people on the right didn't really feel like they had to pick a side. And they saw, oh,
00:26:45.520
the left is the anti-Israel party. I'm enough anti-Semitic that now I'm conflicted and it might
00:26:51.240
be worth supporting the left. So I think that's what we're getting here. But let's go back to this
00:26:55.260
guy's writings, because I think it's really interesting. This is back to the original article
00:26:58.740
here on how they're going to defeat us. In his 2004 book, Explaining Postmodernism, Stephen R. Hicks
00:27:04.700
posits three categories of thought about how the world has historically been ordered,
00:27:09.640
pre-modern, modern, and post-modern, where pre-modernism emphasizes faith, hierarchy,
00:27:14.240
and duty to God. Modernism emphasizes reason, individualism, and autonomy. And post-modernism,
00:27:21.120
in turn, sees reason as a sham, authority as a mass for power, and groups as prior to individuals.
00:27:27.320
Now, what's interesting to this is if you looked at the core actual ideology of the woke right,
00:27:33.780
it very clearly falls under not pre-modernism, faith, hierarchy, and duty to God, but much closer
00:27:41.560
to reason, individualism, and autonomy, or what he calls modernism. But it doesn't reject the two
00:27:47.980
other systems. And this is what he's getting wrong, right? He thinks, in the old mindset,
00:27:52.940
you have to choose one of these. Whereas what we say is, we say, I believe in reason, individualism,
00:27:58.880
and autonomy as core political values. But I think that also, I need faith, hierarchy, and a duty to
00:28:05.600
God. And I also agree with what the post-modernist says. Some people can use reason as a sham as they
00:28:13.080
have captured the institutions that define what's true and what's not true. Authority can be a mask
00:28:18.360
to power, and many groups are using it as that right now. And groups do exist and have the capability
00:28:24.800
of opposing my interests. And fair, yeah. To protect the world from devastation. To unite all peoples
00:28:34.120
within our nation. To denounce the evils of truth and love. To extend our reach to the stars above.
00:28:40.860
Traditionalism, or Hick's equivalent to it, anchors truth in holy books and prophets. It sees people as
00:28:46.020
spiritual beings in a divinely ordered world. Traditionalism is ancient, whereas modernism takes its cues
00:28:51.300
from the enlightenment. Truth is what can be seen and provided. Reason and evidence supplant
00:28:56.720
spiritualism, tribalism, and subjective intuition. And here what I note is, I agree. Reason and evidence
00:29:03.820
do supplant, in the new right view, in the woke right's view, spiritualism, tribalism, and subjective
00:29:09.580
intuition. But they do not supplant holy books and prophets. Yeah. You can supplant, you can say,
00:29:18.700
holy books and prophets have value. Tradition has value, whereas spiritualism, tribalism, and
00:29:24.680
subjective intuition do not. That's like the core thing we rail against on this channel.
00:29:31.260
Postmodernism is a new come. Emerging in post-war Europe, it adopts radical skeptical epistemology,
00:29:36.780
viewing claims to capital T truth, as Tafel puts it, as assertions of power, efforts by dominant social
00:29:43.320
actors to impose and legitimize their own, often oppressive agendas. Whereas you see a truth claim,
00:29:51.540
you should unmask it, look behind it, to see whom it might benefit. Now, here I'm saying, why is it bad
00:29:57.360
that we would want to do this? If somebody comes to me and they say, this thing is true, he's basically
00:30:01.980
saying, if somebody more powerful than you, with more degrees than you, with more institutional power
00:30:06.760
to you, comes to you and says, this is true, you shouldn't then ask, who is this benefiting,
00:30:15.140
Who is it benefiting to say that men and women are actually exactly the same?
00:30:19.460
Who is it benefiting? Right? Who is it benefiting to say that there are,
00:30:25.180
this is something that we need to ask whenever we hear something like this, so we can understand why
00:30:29.240
somebody might have a motivation to push a particular agenda.
00:30:31.900
Yeah, absolutely. And yet he's saying you can't do that. That's postmodern. You can't do that.
00:30:39.300
Now, I would note you shouldn't pathologically do it. You shouldn't assume that nothing is true.
00:30:43.440
But if anybody comes to you and says, this is true, because I have more authority to you rather
00:30:48.520
than because of reason or logic, that is something you should be questioning. Scientific modernism
00:30:53.840
wants to assess claims, not claimants. Postmodernism reverses the emphasis. Who were the scientists,
00:31:00.440
says Toffle? What color were they? What gender? What country were they in? What biases do they have?
00:31:06.520
He's saying you can't ask those questions. But you need to. It matters. If I have a study and it says
00:31:14.620
Crest toothpaste is the best toothpaste ever, and I know to the guy and I go, was there any chance
00:31:20.500
that this was put out by Crest scientists working on a Crest grant? And the person is like, well,
00:31:27.340
that's a pretty racist question to ask. You're like, it's not a racist question to ask.
00:31:33.440
It matters. Was it the Crest scientists? But it matters just as much if you're talking about
00:31:38.180
in-group thing. If I read a report saying, you know, Catholics are the best. Everybody loves
00:31:43.560
the Catholics and is put out by the Vatican or by like Notre Dame's university. I mean,
00:31:47.980
Notre Dame is super woke now, but you know what I mean? Like old school. I'm going to need to have
00:31:51.140
some skepticism around that. But I can't do that when it's an ethnic group.
00:31:57.320
What if a Chinese scientist put out a paper in China saying Chinese people are better than
00:32:03.040
every other ethnic group? That could happen. You don't think that I should take into account
00:32:08.080
that a Chinese scientist did that? What these people are trying to do is use core arguments
00:32:15.860
in the same way the left does, like simple arguments, like a Chinese report that comes
00:32:21.700
out from China saying Chinese people are better than everyone else, that if I call that out,
00:32:26.900
I'm a racist. They are trying to defang us of individual arguments here, individual pathways
00:32:33.360
of argument until there's nothing left, but their old system that they used in the fifties and
00:32:39.120
sexism. Wow. Then to continue. You see what I mean there? This whole woke right thing was more
00:32:46.380
insidious than you think. Yeah. Yikes. Yes. But when the enemy proverbially controls the definers of
00:32:54.820
truth within a culture, you know that, and I know that, and you tell me that, oh, sorry,
00:32:59.680
this is something I wrote and I just said all that. Oh, actually, I actually think it's a good point,
00:33:03.020
so I'll read it. Yes. But when the enemy proverbially controls the definers of truth within a culture,
00:33:08.760
and you know, and I knew that they do, and you tell me, I cannot question them. You are showing
00:33:14.700
your hand. You are the enemy, which is the truth about these people. When they say you can't question
00:33:19.220
dominant narratives, they're showing they are setting the dominant narratives. In fact, I wouldn't
00:33:25.040
be surprised if any of these people vote against Trump and just say that they, they are, they are on
00:33:28.700
our side. But anyway, radical skepticism is like the acid that eats through every container. And sure
00:33:34.140
enough, postmodernism skepticism undermined itself. How could it be for anything if all truth claims,
00:33:40.580
including its own, are mass for power? The answer came in what Pluckos and Lindsay identify as a
00:33:48.100
second wave of postmodernism, which handily enough exempted itself from skepticism. Identity and
00:33:53.940
oppression now took center stage. Society is best understood not as an association of autonomous
00:33:58.140
individuals, but as conjugaries of groups contending for dominance and organized into hierarchies.
00:34:05.000
The third wave thus came to embrace exactly that sort of dogmatism and authoritarianism,
00:34:09.780
which the first wave of postmodernism had set out to challenge and overthrow.
00:34:14.820
Well, I see that this happened on the left, but that's not why we're throwing things out. We're not
00:34:19.680
throwing them out reflexively in the way that previous groups are. We are throwing them out as a matter of
00:34:25.540
self-protection. We are examining them. We are saying people have used authority to mask things.
00:34:30.560
People have used truce claims to mask hidden agendas, and therefore it's worth questioning them.
00:34:35.600
And people have used high culture and saying this is vulgar and that's vulgar to control our actions.
00:34:42.360
They define questioning these things. Like this entire string of questions I've been asking is a vulgar
00:34:47.340
string of questions for a old right tea party, right? You know, or whatever the F it is that they'd head.
00:34:53.920
All right. So then to skip ahead, because it was unmoored from any commitment to objectivity or
00:34:59.420
consistency, you could work both sides of every street. Even better, it's radical skepticism. Here
00:35:06.720
he's talking about the original wokeism, rejection of norms, and revolutionary energy made it seemingly
00:35:11.880
impervious to rational arguments and moral objections. A perfect rhetorical fortress, as George
00:35:17.140
Luca and Ricky Schofield call it. Now note here, he's talking about you can't be radically skeptic. I think
00:35:21.860
we need to be radically skeptic in a world where the dominant cultural force has basically said,
00:35:29.140
We need to reject cultural norms when the dominant cultural force is our enemy, because they set
00:35:34.660
the cultural norms. And doing both of those gives us revolutionary energy. That doesn't mean that we
00:35:39.860
are anti-rational argument. It means you need to actually make that rational argument and just say
00:35:44.300
that you are confronting cultural norms. Yeah. Objecting to woke's hypocrisy, inconsistency,
00:35:50.840
and empirical shoddiness got you mocked, disqualified, and personally attacked. However,
00:35:55.780
philosophically unintelligible woke may have been, its rhetorical virality and sheer aggressiveness
00:36:01.240
conquered the intelligentsia with astonishing speed. And he's right about this, that that did happen,
00:36:06.980
but it doesn't undermine that we need to be skeptical and reject social norms to win.
00:36:13.840
Stephen Hecht's 2004 book on postmodernism, so now I'm reading from the book,
00:36:18.520
principles of civility and procedural justice simply serve as masks for hypocrisy and oppression
00:36:22.840
born of asymmetrical power relations, masks that can be ripped off by crude verbal and physical weapons,
00:36:29.560
ad hominem arguments in your face, shock tactics, and equally cynical power displays.
00:36:33.820
Disagreements are met not with arguments, the benefit of the doubt, and the expectation that
00:36:39.300
reason can prevail, but with assertion, animosity, and a willingness to resort to force. Having
00:36:44.580
rejected reason, we will not expect ourselves or others to behave reasonably. And again, here you can
00:36:50.780
note that this is trying to correlate skepticism with stuff like ad hominem arguments. Fighting against
00:36:59.480
powerful institutions as is a sort of pathology, right? A decade later, his description is very
00:37:06.460
accurately characterized in what might be called the alt-right. My own first glimpse of this strange
00:37:11.240
new phenomenon came in 2014 with the eruption of Gamergate, an episode in which anonymous trolls
00:37:16.700
heaped abuse and threats on a female game developer. Note the way here that this individual,
00:37:21.520
this individual who claims to be on the right, our ally... Is anti-Gamergate?
00:37:29.120
Gamergate, an episode in which anonymous trolls heaped abuse and threats on a female video game developer.
00:37:33.800
Oh, okay. He's not one of us. All right. Okay. Okay.
00:37:36.820
These people are our enemies. They are our... They're not our enemies as much as the traitors are our enemies,
00:37:42.200
because at least, presumably, they still vote our way. But we need to keep in mind that they are
00:37:47.420
coming for us and they have declared war against us, right? And I think a lot of the right needs to
00:37:53.740
pick a side, like, especially the theocratic factions, because they can find a home on either
00:37:57.820
side. They can either join people like this who want the old social norms back, who want to control
00:38:02.600
with power, or they can join the alliance, the diverse alliance, which represents what these people
00:38:07.680
call the woke right, which is okay with subverting cultural norms. And as we've noted in our other
00:38:12.100
stuff, this largely also came as a shift as the cultural power center of the right moved from,
00:38:17.420
the cavalier cultural region of the United States, to the deep south cultural region,
00:38:20.860
to the greater Appalachian or backwoods cultural region, which basically went from an aristocratic
00:38:26.700
cultural tradition to an anti-aristocratic cultural tradition, which you see in right wing.
00:38:31.900
Vulgarity is an anti-aristocratic thing to do. It's a way of signaling that you are not
00:38:35.980
attempting to play the mainstream power game. And that's why it's seen as authenticating authenticity
00:38:42.060
within what he calls the woke right. It's why Bronze Age Pervert intentionally misspells things.
00:38:48.380
It's why Zero HP Lovecraft intentionally breaks social conventions when he's talking.
00:38:53.340
While the campaign was not political, it codes as white, male, right wing, and aggressively subversive.
00:38:59.580
This is what he talked about Gamergate. Although better informed friends warned me to pay attention,
00:39:03.660
I shrugged off Gamergate as random online craziness. In reality, it debuted the joker-like nihilism of
00:39:10.460
the postmodern right. And I'll note here, everything he set up until then was right. It did, you know,
00:39:15.260
we've had episodes where we talk about how the modern right came from this moment, Gamergate.
00:39:19.580
But Gamergate, they were completely justified. Like, it was insane. A woman was sleeping with
00:39:24.380
games journalists, and they weren't disclosing this, and they were writing about it. And she was
00:39:28.220
cheating on her boyfriend the entire time. She wasn't exactly a bastion of the conservative
00:39:33.500
values that I think this man stands for, but he's still choosing to side with her, technically
00:39:40.380
speaking. Right. And right here, he's like, my friends warned me to pay attention to this.
00:39:46.780
I thought it was beneath me. Very much, he's signaling I am not the type who cares about what
00:39:51.420
goes on in gaming culture, right? Like, he's signaling why he doesn't engage with slow culture.
00:39:56.620
He goes to the opera. He goes to plays and Broadway, even though those have been the
00:40:03.500
vehicles of transmission of the woke mind virus, of the urban monoculture.
00:40:07.900
Yeah. Well, okay, I don't think opera is, but it's certainly been a status signaler among those
00:40:16.700
who are part of that community. But what he gets wrong is he says, in reality,
00:40:20.860
it debuted the joker-like nihilism of the postmodern right. Nothing could be further from the truth.
00:40:25.580
Nothing about the postmodern right is nihilistic. You can watch our episodes on this, but I'd argue
00:40:29.580
it's the exact opposite. It is extremely vital. It's vitalistic. Yeah. In the face of nihilism,
00:40:35.020
it says, no, we are proud of who we are. We will fight. We will endure. We will take the future.
00:40:39.500
Absolutely. Yeah. And he's like, but what about your weird, pervy anime art? And I'm like,
00:40:45.100
I'm not going to let you police what I think is cool. Yeah. I think Shinzo Aave saved Trump,
00:40:50.540
and- Shinzo. Big tittied anime girls look cool. And that, you know, Trump is a
00:40:59.100
BA with like missiles coming out of his mouth. You want to police how vitalistic I can be because you
00:41:05.420
see vitalism and a love of life without concern for your constraints as vulgar. Because you use
00:41:15.020
vulgarity to police other groups to force them to fit into your cultural norms.
00:41:23.420
Someone who did notice and appreciate what was happening was Angela Nagel, whose 2017 book,
00:41:29.420
Kill All Normies, presciently identified the convergence of the alt-right with the far left.
00:41:34.380
The alt-right, she observed, is a transgressive and rule breaking as the left once was. True. Like the
00:41:40.220
left, it gleefully subverts cultural norms, struck smug, ironic poses, and embraced harassment and
00:41:48.940
bullying. First of all, no, you really don't get that much bullying on the right, except when people
00:41:54.300
have doubled down on positions that explicitly hurt other individuals. The Gamergate stuff happened
00:42:00.460
because the girl who did all of this, when she was called out for it, didn't point out the fact
00:42:05.660
that she was using the fact that she was sleeping with people to screw over other indie game devs
00:42:11.020
in terms of not getting coverage. She didn't pull back. She immediately reached out and tried to
00:42:17.740
attack and ruin the lives of the people who were calling her out. That is, every time I have seen
00:42:22.940
the quote-unquote woke right fight back, it is because somebody else attacked first. If you look at the
00:42:28.700
Anna Valens, who was the most recent person canceled, who did all these attacks trying to
00:42:32.380
ruin Kirsha, the Fox VTuber's career. Again, like we don't care about your norms. We can be a VTuber.
00:42:38.220
We can be an anime, Fox, VTuber, whatever, right? Like she could be a mainstream figure of the woke
00:42:43.500
right. But we do that. And then some psycho comes in and tries to ruin our lives by lying about us,
00:42:49.980
with very normal takes. And we say, okay, F you, we can fight back. We're not afraid of fighting back.
00:42:56.460
They are, right? We understand that this isn't just about political battles, but people need
00:43:01.020
to understand the reason why we're not going to see VTubing eaten by the wokes in the same way
00:43:07.020
gaming was, or as fast as gaming was, or as fast as, you know, even with other fields like tabletop
00:43:11.500
gaming and comics, is because they didn't fight back. The first time somebody says, well, this is my
00:43:17.500
space. You know, we had the other time where somebody was canceled recently, which was a return of
00:43:21.500
shadows or like in love of shadows or something. The guy who did this big rant against conservative
00:43:26.620
YouTubers and saying that they're not welcome. Conservatives aren't welcome in the horror genre
00:43:32.140
space. It's like, how effing dare you? Because the moment one person gets away with this,
00:43:36.460
then other people do it. And then you really aren't welcome. You're not welcome at conventions
00:43:39.340
because people go and they call up the convention staff and everything like that. And he's saying,
00:43:42.620
you can't fight back because he's not on our side. He's like a, a person who's been injected
00:43:49.580
into the right, trying to get us to make all of the dumbest moves possible. When Milo Yiannopoulos,
00:43:54.460
a prominent right-wing influencer said, quote, birth control makes women unattractive and crazy,
00:43:59.100
end quote. Was he just kidding or being truly misogynistic? What the heck do you mean misogynistic?
00:44:04.860
Birth control can change women's physiology to an extent. Yeah. But sometimes for the better,
00:44:10.620
the, the one birth control that I was on the longest controlled acne. So I'm just saying.
00:44:16.460
Yeah. My experience less acne and less mood swings is generally for the better, but some women,
00:44:20.940
it just makes worse. Right. And we need to talk about this. Some girls, they don't understand
00:44:25.020
that birth control can have negative effects, right? Because it can also, especially profoundly
00:44:29.820
affect sex drive. So was Pepe the frog a lighthearted meme or a racist hate symbol?
00:44:35.980
It was, it was a lighthearted meme that you turned into a racist hate symbol.
00:44:39.900
It was a lighthearted meme about a racist hate symbol in the same way that 4chan was like,
00:44:43.820
let's see if we can turn the okay sign. Let's see if we can get wokies to see this as a racist hate
00:44:47.900
symbol. And then wokies did. And then a few bottom feeding, like actual racists started using it.
00:44:52.620
And wokies were like, oh, you see, that's our proof. It's like, no, really, we're just making fun of you
00:44:56.460
for, for freaking out about everything. We're violating your cultural norms because it's funny.
00:45:01.740
It's funny to watch you freak out. Like it is that spazzy kid in class.
00:45:05.660
Was triple parentheses around Jewish names, prankish trolling, or a veiled threat?
00:45:12.860
And really, because LOL, nothing matters. It's like, no, things do matter. It does matter that
00:45:20.700
people tried to use the claim that Pepe was racist to attack people who were playing around
00:45:27.740
with a lighthearted meme. They tried to police language of people like Milo to not be allowed
00:45:33.500
to question things like the effects of birth control, okay? That people weren't even allowed
00:45:37.900
to say, hey, why did Jews have disproportionate amounts of power in our society? That's not a
00:45:43.260
question you're allowed to ask in the old paradigm. Has this guy-
00:45:47.660
Oh, the old paradigm of boomer rights, you mean?
00:45:52.780
Because the boomer lofts are questioning stuff about Jews all the time.
00:45:57.740
The boomer, sorry, the left everyone is doing that.
00:46:01.660
One sees here the same subjectivism that became the hallmark of left postmodernism because the
00:46:07.020
objectivity is fiction. There is no single reality, but rather my reality and our reality contending
00:46:12.220
against your reality. It was no objective basis to choose. Narratives must struggle to dominate.
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How to win in this context of narratives? The postmodern formula holds that language
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constructs discourse. Discourse constructs power and power constructs reality. Manipulating what
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people say thus manipulates reality itself. This explains the postmodern left's obsession with
00:46:32.220
language from neopronouns to terms like pregnant person. The idea that words are violence to the
00:46:38.860
idea that words are violence. And I mean, they're not wrong about this. That is a good strategy that
00:46:44.060
they were using. And then dot, dot, dot. And then he tries to parallel this in the woke right where
00:46:48.780
he says, consider in parallel how the Trump administration controls language. Already,
00:46:53.660
according to a recent report from Semaphore, quote, across the government, the Trump administration
00:46:58.220
has clamped down on language. Multiple agencies have ordered the removal of gendered pronouns and
00:47:02.540
from email signatures, while White House has said it won't respond to journalists who with pronouns in
00:47:07.580
their bio. They have. Oh, goodness gracious. Know what he's doing here. How he's defining the woke
00:47:13.900
right playbook you're not allowed to use. He's saying you're not allowed to criticize pronouns.
00:47:20.940
You're not allowed. What? What? You're not allowed to roll that back. Trump is rolling back something
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the left, the wokes, put into place that was genuinely effective at changing social narratives,
00:47:32.940
genuinely effective at policing who could do what. Because right-wing people did business with people
00:47:38.460
whether or not they had pronouns in their bios. Yeah. Left-wing people only did business with
00:47:42.220
people who had pronouns in their bios. Do you not see how unfair that is?
00:47:47.340
But he wants them to maintain that asymmetric advantage by tying our arms behind our backs.
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JD Vance said in 2024, when confronted about false stories that immigrants eat pets,
00:48:00.300
oh, he's one of these people who had a spasm about that. If I have to create stories so the
00:48:04.780
American media actually paid attention to the suffering of the American people,
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that's what I'm going to do. And he's freaking out about this, right? Like, why, why?
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The point matters. The point matters is that it's believable. Like, we all know from what's
00:48:21.020
happening with immigrants now that something like that could have happened, right? The reason why the
00:48:25.580
left freaked out about that specific thing probably maybe didn't happen is because they don't want to
00:48:33.660
accept the wider message, which is that normal Americans are suffering because of immigration
00:48:40.380
and unchecked immigration into specific areas. How can I say this in a way that the media will
00:48:44.620
actually cover it? If I just say normal Americans are suffering because of immigration, the media is
00:48:48.300
not going to cover that, are they? You know when I know they're not going to cover that. If I say
00:48:52.220
they're eating dogs and cats, okay, now because they think they can get something on me, they're
00:48:56.860
going to cover it a bunch, right? And he's saying, uh-oh, you can't use that. You can't use that
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effective tactic, right? Likewise, the postmodern right shares its left-wing counterparts' contempt
00:49:09.980
for expertise, not expertise, quote-unquote expertise is what I'm saying here, which it views as a tool for
00:49:17.900
elite domination of discourse, which it is when expertise is defined by you as how many degrees
00:49:23.500
you have and what institutions you work for. Which is why so many of the new right figures who
00:49:27.980
had all these degrees didn't lead with these degrees. In respect, the appointment of conspiracy-minded
00:49:34.220
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to run the Department of Health and Human Services has a distinctly postmodern
00:49:39.900
flavor. R. F. Kennedy Jr., it's very awesome. I like him as a candidate. Like, I love his bear story.
00:49:45.180
That made me laugh. That was the game changer for so many. I'm like, the guy saw Roadkill and he's like,
00:49:52.140
yeah, I'm going to try to eat that. Let's give that a shot. I'm like, this guy, this guy asked.
00:49:57.820
But yeah, he's like, oh, R. F. Kennedy Jr., except we know, you know, the granola moms, the left,
00:50:03.500
many parts of the right have known for a long time that a lot of these institutions, you know, are not our
00:50:09.260
friends, right? They do not have this shared interest with us. And some of the stuff that
00:50:14.700
they were saying around what's healthy and what's not healthy, he's this guy here, all these conspiracy
00:50:18.940
theories about smoking, giving you cancer. Don't they know that the researchers at Big Tobacco U have
00:50:24.540
already said that's a myth created by the liberal government? You know, it's like, what?
00:50:29.340
You see what I mean? He's just trying to defang every argument that the actual right has.
00:50:37.420
To try to go back to an earlier time. Thoughts before I go further, Simone? Because people,
00:50:40.620
they love hearing from you. You're the smart one.
00:50:43.580
I'm just kind of stunned. I should have seen this for what it was, I guess.
00:50:49.420
Yeah, you listen to a bunch of stuff and you're like, oh, it's totally reasonable criticism.
00:50:53.660
Yeah, like, oh, I guess it's bad that identity politics is making its way to the right and that
00:51:01.180
the right is mean girl policing itself now in a way that the left did. But what you're saying here is
00:51:07.580
the mean girls are the people who've made this concept in the first place. They're the mean girls.
00:51:13.500
The call is coming from inside the house. And I, I mean, after hearing what you've read here,
00:51:23.420
pretty compelling. And then of course it makes sense because I, every time you talked about the
00:51:27.980
old version of the right, I thought, gosh, aren't they kind of uncomfortable with what's happening
00:51:32.940
right now? You know, our whole new like pluralistic libertarian approach to the right would sit wrong
00:51:40.300
with people who wanted to legislate their values upon others. Well, no, but truly because it's not
00:51:45.020
just libertarian. He wants to go back to either theocratic or just libertarian values. He hates
00:51:50.540
that we're up here having discussions about, well, should it really be one person, one vote?
00:51:55.500
You know, should we, should we, is, is UBI actually bad? You know, what about monarchy? You know,
00:52:03.100
he wants to narrow what we can talk about on the right. When I think what unifies the right today is
00:52:08.540
really our long-term goal, which is human flourishing. Well, and this is why I think
00:52:13.580
you refer to it as the new right and not conservatism because it isn't about going back
00:52:18.220
to tradition. It's not about the cargo cult of the old ways. It is about progress from a very
00:52:25.580
pragmatic standpoint, even if it doesn't look great, even if the optics are off. Well, it has a degree of
00:52:30.780
tradition in it. Like it's not, well, it's not, not in the way that the, that capital C conservatives
00:52:37.820
want. They want their windows and fences. They want Chesterton's fence to just stay there and we
00:52:43.820
want to disassemble it and then like make it integrated with AI drone swarms and have automatic
00:52:50.220
sensors in it and, you know, like modernize it and then rebuild it. Like we want the pieces,
00:52:56.300
modernize them and then put it back. And they're like, no, don't mess with my fence. And we're like,
00:53:01.260
but if you leave the fence now, this new predator is going to get through. And they're like,
00:53:05.900
no, the fence works. It has always worked and it will always work. Yeah. It's like, it's like,
00:53:10.300
hey, fences may be good, but maybe we just need to stack them on top of each other. And then we can
00:53:14.460
attach some electrical wires to it. Yeah. Like, how dare you? There's never been electrical wires on a fence
00:53:20.940
before. Yeah. It's like, look, we're not anti-fence. We just don't think that this fence is going to keep
00:53:25.420
out the jumping leopards. Anyway, Christian nationalists, libertarians, and MAGA populists
00:53:32.140
share no common view of role of government for the common good. Traditional conservatives call
00:53:36.700
for Christianized post-liberal order. It's thoroughly incompatible with modern conservatives,
00:53:40.860
embrace of individualism, freedom, and dynamic entrepreneurship, and both sit crosswired in the
00:53:45.900
post-modern rights, leering nihilism. This is wrong. They actually do have a lot that they
00:53:51.500
get over. Look, we are the, very much like the, the logic, order, science types. And I agree with
00:53:59.100
the Christian, like the traditionalist, old school Christian types. And we're Christians as well, but
00:54:04.220
I'm talking about, you know, you know, you guys know what I'm talking about. The Sunday school
00:54:07.260
types. We agree with them on everything where we can actually win an election. So for example,
00:54:11.500
we may disagree that like gay marriage should be banned or abortion should be legislated to begin
00:54:15.660
at a conception, but we're not going to win elections if we take those views. So it's irrelevant.
00:54:19.980
You know, they may disagree with us on, you know, wanting a super soldier program and, and,
00:54:25.020
you know, government, government gene editing Manhattan program, but you know, that's,
00:54:29.180
that's never going to win an election anyways, but, but on restricting access to abortion. Yeah.
00:54:33.580
We both agree with that on keeping all this crazy alphabet soup stuff out of schools. Yeah.
00:54:38.700
We agree with that when we agree on all the areas that actually matter on decreasing the size of
00:54:43.340
government. Yeah. We can agree on all of that of trying to find a way to make the economy work
00:54:47.260
in a post day of world. Oh yeah. We agree with that on, you know, globalism being a bad idea.
00:54:51.900
Yeah. We agree on that. You know, like we agree on every area where we can actually win. That's,
00:54:56.460
that's why we work together so well. Yeah, exactly.
00:55:00.940
The game plan for the postmodern right then is to not earn a place in the philosophical firmament,
00:55:06.380
build a durable coalition or prove itself in government. It cannot make a cohesive case,
00:55:13.100
play well with others or run anything. Well, just fundamentally not true. Anyone who knows like
00:55:17.340
we work with groups like the heritage foundation and stuff like that, which is an old school group
00:55:20.540
as well. They've just decided to join the woke, right. You know, the right that's this collection
00:55:25.100
of others instead of sticking with these guys and trying to police what it means to be right wing.
00:55:30.140
Instead, it relies on shock surprise and aggressive disregard for norms to neutralize opponents
00:55:35.740
that embeds itself in institutions to stay in power. No, it uses shock surprise and aggressive
00:55:43.020
disregard for norms because the norms are being set by a group that is antagonistic to us. And the
00:55:49.020
shock and surprise is what they feel when we ignore them. And we can tie up here. But yeah, I think that
00:55:59.980
this guy is a very different type of threat than the traders. The boomer right is a different type of
00:56:03.900
threat than the traders. And I think we just need to call them what they are, boomer right.
00:56:08.300
Like it's boomers, boomer through and through. Boomer right is not friends. Boomer right is what
00:56:15.420
created woke. They are they are lesser than friends. If they ever win again, woke will beat them again
00:56:20.380
because woke has beaten them before. We use different tactics from them and they want to defang
00:56:24.940
us of all of those tactics because they feed the tactics working and they want to go back to a world
00:56:29.660
where they have control. And we don't want that. That's not in our best interest because we
00:56:34.300
actually want to win. That's actually the goal. As J.D. Vance said, thank God he's hopefully going
00:56:40.300
to be the next president. Yeah. Yeah. I'm hoping for it. And you saw this all seems so innocuous to you
00:56:48.060
when it's laid out in something other than this. And then you see it in this context and you go,
00:56:51.660
you bastards, you bastards. And I just can't believe these people portraying Sargon of Akata
00:57:02.700
as like this far right figure. The dude is so, and I, and I don't even mean this. He's curmudgeonly
00:57:09.020
and pretty conservative in his views by conservative. I mean, like, I don't think there's a whole lot of
00:57:15.740
stuff that he says. It's really radical. He's even like herder. I don't want to have more kids.
00:57:21.900
It's too much work. He's like pro-gay atheist guy. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah.
00:57:29.500
It doesn't sit right. This accusation. He's certainly not a white nationalist or a Christian
00:57:33.660
nationalist. It's, it's, you try to portray him to be, you know, I read, I am disappointed that
00:57:40.700
he's never done anything with us or, or interacted with us, but I think we're just too edgy for him,
00:57:45.100
to be honest, which of course we are too small, too small and, or too edgy. Yeah. I don't know.
00:57:50.140
A lot of people that want to touch us for whatever reason, they hate our glasses. I can't stand them.
00:57:57.820
Anyway, I love you to that's the mom. I love you too, gorgeous.
00:58:04.700
I need to, uh, get all your money and I'm gonna call somebody over.
00:58:14.060
I'm gonna vacuum, give us some workers and restore all the money we have.
00:58:19.100
Okay, so we're gonna take all of our money and do, what was it?
00:58:22.220
Um, hire some workers to help me build my birthday because with all of the birthday I needed
00:58:31.100
I'm gonna need some knowledge and it does and it is a pretty much, uh, building.
00:58:40.060
So you're gonna need a lot of money to build what?
00:58:42.300
Um, so I stopped to get some workers to hire to build my birthday.
00:58:53.340
Okay, and it's gonna be the biggest birthday ever?
00:58:57.980
What do you think about doing a squirt gun fight?
00:58:59.500
That's what we were thinking about doing. It's getting you...
00:59:01.180
Yeah, and also, um, mom said we could put, um, food and cotton candy and all the stuff like that.
00:59:13.180
Oh, and we invited the most people as possible.