Based Camp - Analyzing the Theories of Professor Jiang (The Intellectual’s Candace Owens？)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Malcolm. I'm excited to be speaking with you because Basecamp listeners keep asking us to

00:00:05.380 talk about Professor Zhang, which is difficult because we see his content to be oppressively

00:00:08.920 boring, bordering on possible to consume, but we have to stop the requests. And honestly,

00:00:13.920 he's a big deal. And there's this big mystery here. How did a Chinese born man who immigrated

00:00:18.940 to Canada, who has a BA in English literature, suddenly accrue over 2 million YouTube subscribers

00:00:25.380 and have the number one world politics sub stack with 44 000 subscribers in six months

00:00:31.400 and fame for being a geopolitical oracle and war forecaster i mean he even has his own fan website

00:00:38.360 that i just found it's called jang predictions.com where they're very clear like it's not by him

00:00:43.520 like this is an independent fan project tracking predictions for educational and analytical

00:00:48.280 purposes we're not affiliated with or speaking on behalf of professor jang my basic take and this

00:00:55.760 is what we're going to explore in this episode is professor jang aka jang quijin just basically

00:01:03.500 a version of candace owens for people who like to fancy themselves as a more highbrow and clever

00:01:08.420 which is to say like our success is just a result of conspiracy brained people online flocking to

00:01:15.600 conspiracy slop or is there a more concerted force pushing forward his content also we're

00:01:21.560 going to look in in more depth at his actual theories especially his conspiracy theories

00:01:26.880 because they're they're out there like we yeah i want to i want to go just for people who are

00:01:33.420 listening to this my experience with professor jang before this is fans telling me you should

00:01:39.200 check out this or that video of his yeah i would try to watch it about 30 minutes in i would get

00:01:44.920 bored and turn it off because it's just it's not well constructed often but it wasn't outright

00:01:52.220 stupid he seemed to have some broad idea of what was going on some fairly based perspectives i was

00:02:01.180 like oh yeah like he's on message he's on team this is interesting then i look at the stuff that 0.99

00:02:06.940 simone because simone pulls up like his full theories and i was like this guy sounds like an 0.98

00:02:11.400 imbecile like an actual like like worse than candace owens like literally dumber than candace 0.93

00:02:17.340 owens because at least candace owens is entertaining and like her ideas i can just be like 0.99

00:02:23.340 she's just crazy i could watch her for hours she's fun and succinct and she uses normal terms and

00:02:30.820 she's animated her production value is good when i think candace owens saying something that's

00:02:35.460 obviously wrong i'm just like oh this is just her being a schizo professor jang is too lucid 0.98

00:02:42.600 to have ideas that are this stupid for example like the illuminati controls the earth and the 0.99

00:02:48.820 freemasons control the united states government if you are familiar with who the freemasons 1.00

00:02:53.900 actually are today if you have ever you can just get up and join the freemasons you know they're

00:03:00.140 not a particularly hard organization to actually last month i met someone who young in his youth

00:03:05.480 decided like oh the freemasons they run the world so he and his young friends were like oh let's just

00:03:11.020 let's just take it over and they got really high within the organization and it was just you know

00:03:16.280 a bunch of like retired old men and nothing was there they're like okay i'm in like so tell me

00:03:20.300 how do we run the world and they're like hello young man yeah it's like it's like a retirement

00:03:25.740 community like thinking no for real the world but of course you can move up super quickly because 0.98

00:03:31.360 nobody's there no no young people are in it anymore you know it's just like a bunch of old 0.80

00:03:35.880 yeah like they speed ran freemasonry and they went nowhere just like hit a dead wall yeah yeah

00:03:42.560 but it's when i've repeatedly seen this over and this is not me like not knowing stuff like these

00:03:47.800 are based friends of ours that seriously care about like infiltrating these sorts of organizations

00:03:52.360 yeah i have even within the world of secret societies freemason are like the joke secret

00:03:59.460 society of people who are in secret societies it's like the a you know like the dragon was 0.97

00:04:04.480 like the three heads and the one retarded head like freemasons are the one retarded head they 0.99

00:04:09.800 are the ones that is like it's like thinking the lion's club controls the world okay like the 0.97

00:04:14.600 rotary club legitimately has dramatically more institutional power than the freemasons do

00:04:19.560 sorry but the reason i had to crash out over this is this is the type of thing that like if you are

00:04:25.100 a lucid adult takes the smallest amount of credulity to find out and the number of theories

00:04:32.740 like this that he has which really surprised me and so i'm like where are these theories hidden

00:04:37.880 does he say them in roundabout ways so you can't tell that he's saying this stuff and then she no 0.92

00:04:43.500 she just like plays clips for me and i'm like this is profoundly stupid so now could he be now 0.93

00:04:51.980 this is going to be my question on him could he be one of those people like rubyard of what have 0.99

00:04:55.460 all hissed where rubyard sometimes says really stupid stuff but he sees the world through such 0.73

00:05:02.260 an orthogonal lens that sometimes he will have deeply insightful views on something that i never 0.94

00:05:08.600 would have come to myself right he's going to that category are any of his out there theories

00:05:13.340 actually intellectually interesting i'll let you be the judge of that voice swap yeah we'll see

00:05:19.180 yeah i'm i'm you know if you're watching you can you can join in on the commentary also i know for

00:05:25.380 a fact that there are a bunch of fans and also anti-fans of of jang in this audience so share

00:05:32.380 your insights all right stay on him if you need to and i didn't want to come off as this negative

00:05:36.360 of him i just thought we were gonna have fun discussing his conspiracy theories i didn't

00:05:39.280 know they were gonna be that dumb yeah so for those of you out of the loop jang quijin he was

00:05:44.400 born in 1976 in china he moved to canada fairly young he was originally trained in english 0.86

00:05:51.840 literature and he spent much of his career as a teacher and education reformer in china like

00:05:57.960 actually in china in the 2000s and 2010s he worked on chinese education reform and taught in various

00:06:04.160 schools and briefly edited for the new york times china operation he's also been associated as a

00:06:09.940 researcher with harvard's global education innovation initiative so his educator branding

00:06:15.940 is is has been part of his life for a very long time well before he went internet famous

00:06:21.660 and part of me wonders because a lot of people like well he's not actually professor it could

00:06:26.300 just be in china like there's some kind of lost in translation thing where like you're referred to as

00:06:32.400 a some kind of teacher honorific in if you teach in china like in high school and i don't know you

00:06:39.040 see this on the right professor dutton by the way we've had on the show right like but he's actually

00:06:42.960 an academic he's not a professor though well maybe he was at some point no he's never been a professor

00:06:50.000 as far as i know um i was wrong about this professor dutton was an evolutionary biology

00:06:55.280 professor at aberdeen but professor jang has never been a real professor it's just a title that some

00:07:01.160 people on the right use in conspiracy circles they profess the original professors i know here

00:07:06.700 i'm not saying the jolly heretic as far as i know in terms of all the content i've watched

00:07:10.580 he's never said anything that i thought was particularly wrong he may have some ideas that

00:07:15.340 i think might go too far on racialist directions and everything like that but i don't mean to

00:07:19.320 overly compare him to professor jang right he's not talking about unhinged things as we're yeah

00:07:24.760 generally when he points to something i'm like that is a misinterpretation of scientific evidence

00:07:29.300 i would never just be like but but a smart person could have that misinterpretation right it's not

00:07:34.460 like professor yeah our disagreements with him are academic whereas like with professor jang it's one

00:07:39.220 of those not even wrong things that's like not even wrong like there is a mental health issue 1.00

00:07:43.900 at play here and if it's not a mental health issue then you're profoundly stupid or is it 0.99

00:07:48.020 or is there something more insidious which we're gonna have to also continue anyway back to his 0.99

00:07:53.740 just basic chronological experience of the world. Since 2022, Zhang has taught at Moonshot Academy,

00:08:01.280 which was a private high school in Beijing. So even post-pandemic, still in China, and he's not

00:08:07.020 a university professor still, even at this point. In 2024, so two years ago, out of nowhere,

00:08:14.720 he launched the YouTube channel and podcast Predictive History, where he gives his long-form

00:08:19.960 lectures, and by long-form I mean oppressively boring, almost impossible to watch to us at least,

00:08:25.300 lectures on geopolitics, history, and the structural analysis. And he claims to use

00:08:30.100 game theory and Asimov-style psychohistory to forecast world events, leading to the fan site,

00:08:36.920 aforementioned, that will also be referenced in my show notes, which are extensively linked,

00:08:40.920 so go to Patreon or Substack if you want to get all the sources and links and everything.

00:08:45.340 He gained large international attention after correctly predicting Donald Trump's 2024 re-election, which a lot of people did because it was kind of obvious, in a U.S.-Iran war, which led to some media to dub him China's Nostradamus, and some bookers put him on major Western podcasts.

00:09:03.340 like one of the clips that i will be referencing at one point in my show notes him on pierce morgan

00:09:09.540 like mainstream stuff okay like i think you thought he was smaller than he is too so in

00:09:15.760 terms of his reputation several mainstream real fans like clearly die hard yeah not bots real

00:09:22.240 people it's not bots whether or not his his his rise was above or below the board he genuinely

00:09:29.860 appeals to a real audience and to be clear in the research i did i did not come across

00:09:34.680 accusations of him botting in fact so and we've covered that and i think more than that i'd go

00:09:40.640 so far as to say he has significantly more cultural impact right now than somebody like

00:09:44.340 nick puentes quite possibly i mean certainly in base camp circles for sure that we also have

00:09:49.380 people who watch nick puentes all the time so yeah but right several mainstream outlets describe him

00:09:55.420 as a conspiracy theorist because of many of his claims on hidden cabals and quasi-mystical

00:10:00.480 frameworks he doesn't really use conventional evidence-based analysis so a lot of a lot of what

00:10:07.160 i initially jumped off from because i didn't believe that he had all these conspiracies with

00:10:12.180 a profile in the free press that explicitly labels him a conspiracy theorist and highlights

00:10:17.040 his belief in a coalition of freemasons and jesuits and followers of sabbatian jews and

00:10:23.200 i think that's also a candace owens thing and that they're plotting to rule the world from jerusalem

00:10:28.660 the the south china morning post notes that his lectures sometimes veer into well-trodden

00:10:33.760 conspiracy theories on shadowy secret societies especially the lecture titled which is going to

00:10:39.200 be referenced a lot in my direct quotes pax judicia in his secret history series so let's

00:10:45.120 get into the conspiracy theories because yes and they're delightful into them in terms the jesuits

00:10:50.700 do genuinely attempt to appear to control the vatican but they don't work with sabbatian jews 0.66

00:10:56.100 or the freeman sorry and the illuminati okay hold on no because it's it's he he he has this

00:11:03.100 meta conspiracy in which an illuminati composed of freemasons jesuits and sabbatian jews who

00:11:12.380 allegedly manipulate western institutions and ultimately aim to control the world from jerusalem 0.83

00:11:16.720 are like working together to cause the decline of Western civilization. Okay. This is the Pax 0.92

00:11:22.520 Judica. He has a lecture on it. And in about this lecture, critics argue that

00:11:34.520 Jang argues that after the US is forced out of the Middle East, which is one of his predictions,

00:11:40.500 this Illuminati style network is going to dominate global power from a greater Israel centered on

00:11:45.800 jerusalem now in his own words on the illuminati as a coalition this is from his breaking points

00:11:52.220 interview which is widely clipped if you look at the epstein files it's clear that we're run by

00:11:57.760 secret societies you can call them illuminati and illuminati are composed of three major groups okay

00:12:04.040 you have the jesuits who control the vatican malcolm said that so not me it's true you have

00:12:09.100 the sabbatian frankists who control the modern israel today you have the freemasons which

00:12:13.860 control the national security apparatus of the united states i don't know where that's coming

00:12:18.140 from he adds that they they see conflicts like those in the middle east as key to the end times

00:12:25.040 prophecies creating heaven on earth i mean there is a group of christians we know that like

00:12:29.700 think that it's they do think that but they're not the ones who are typically associated with

00:12:34.540 the freemasons so on the origins and structure of this this coalition he describes the illuminati

00:12:41.480 is emerging from alliances like former jesuits he refers to adam weishaput and others that are

00:12:49.800 that infiltrated the freemasons he said what they will do together is create a new organization

00:12:55.220 called the illuminati the illuminati was able to penetrate the freemasons so apparently there was

00:13:01.360 some kind of okay i don't know corporate takeover so we got to do i just need to i'm going to bring

00:13:08.520 the templars because in another lecture he says quote templars who became the freemasons who then

00:13:14.360 became the illuminati who control and then linking to broader historical continuity and goals like

00:13:19.860 the one world government in jerusalem he sort of went on from there so what's interesting is some 0.94

00:13:25.300 of his hedging here makes what he's saying more plausible or less stupid okay he is arguing that 0.88

00:13:32.700 a group that is not the illuminati is going to form something that is functionally the illuminati 0.92

00:13:38.160 and then call themselves the Illuminati or when he says functionally these groups have an inordinate

00:13:43.960 amount of power and we can call them the Illuminati because they function similar to the 0.97

00:13:49.440 way that's believable right I'd be like not on its face stupid it might be wrong but it's not 0.99

00:13:56.600 on its face stupid if you were saying that the original historic organization that was called 0.99

00:14:02.180 the illuminati in history still has a meaningful historic continuity between itself and any 1.00

00:14:09.180 organization that exists today that's stupid well but i think that's part of his if there is one 0.91

00:14:15.820 brilliant clickbait strategy he is okay maybe he's not explicitly arguing continuity but he's 0.99

00:14:22.160 constantly name checking these organizations that conspiracy brained people just like

00:14:27.900 dopamine like as soon as they hear these words do a whole other episode on the sabbatian jews

00:14:33.360 that's keyword stuffed with all the words i can talk for ages about the sabbatian jews people

00:14:38.700 know uh i i am not a fan of shabbat i levy and there are parts of the current jewish community

00:14:44.080 that i am also not a fan of in terms of like the direction it has gone does israel and do a group 0.52

00:14:50.580 of jews that are interconnected have a disproportionate amount of power over global 0.51

00:14:57.380 governments they just gotta really keywords like watch some of jang's lectures and you can go

00:15:02.940 through all the stuff i link in my show notes because like he he's a master class like here's

00:15:07.560 here's another one he on freemasonry and related groups he discusses the 33 grades of scottish

00:15:13.660 right freemasonry noting that lower levels emphasize being a good person while the higher

00:15:18.320 ones invoke deeper power structures and then he ties freemasonry to figures like buzz aldrin

00:15:23.320 and historical u.s institutions so it's a whole like national treasure the moon landing is fake

00:15:29.000 like he's really pulling in all the trigger words moon landing is fake well i don't know

00:15:34.100 but he's bringing in bez aldrin so hold on let's go back here because i okay we've got to talk

00:15:38.700 about each of these groups and like the thing is is he says stuff that's like adjacent to plausible 0.59

00:15:43.860 but stupid if you dig two levels deep okay okay so sabbatian jews that that really so they were

00:15:51.040 sort of active between like 1676 to like i want to say the last like really hard recorded practices 0.98

00:15:59.120 we have from sabbatian jews and frankis would have been in the early 1800s so

00:16:04.800 well he says that they infiltrated the jesuits in his they they they did infiltrate the jesuits

00:16:13.420 well okay okay hold on i have to do a little bit of a breakdown of what happened here is oh my god

00:16:22.560 so you're eating your words malcolm no he's right but there just isn't continuity with anything

00:16:29.180 that's happening today okay right like he's saying things that are adjacent maybe this explains why

00:16:34.260 he has two million followers on youtube and he don't because you're not willing about the

00:16:40.240 sabbatian jews i'm interested in what is historically it worked for candace owens and

00:16:44.320 it worked for jang so i'm going to add in post here a wider description of exactly but from my

00:16:50.300 memory okay so the followers of sabbatai levy post did something called antinomialism okay

00:16:56.600 so antinomialism is where you implicitly invert the laws of judaism because you are living in

00:17:04.600 the end times which sort of means that you're dealing with an opposite set of rules so it's

00:17:08.520 opposite day jew edition yeah it's like opposite day but morality morality is inversed in terms of 0.54

00:17:15.580 a jewish moral system okay so you know this could be orgies this can mean anything but also like

00:17:21.240 it intentionally bad things outside like this explains theologically how you because it's 0.73

00:17:27.340 pretty hard to theologically get a group that just does evil things like typically if you're

00:17:31.620 doing evil things you think that you're doing them for a malevolent entity which generally means you

00:17:36.080 can't trust that entity so people generally don't worship things like satan in like an honest

00:17:40.920 format right like yeah you're rarely gonna okay but with sabbatian antinomialism and sabbatianism

00:17:46.300 it works okay so they ended up doing this this guy ended up converting to his long a huge problem

00:17:53.240 for judaism over half of jews depending on you know what stats we look at were members of his

00:17:57.840 movement they thought he was the messiah a huge problem for the jews blah blah blah blah blah

00:18:01.140 anyway a group of his former followers did not deconvert after he converted to islam and they

00:18:08.300 formed the frankis or the sabbatians well not really okay so the frankis then came about later

00:18:13.620 basically after all of this guy's followers had died out then a guy named frank comes along and

00:18:19.620 recreates uh an antinomialist movement looking back to sabbatai levy i think he said he was a

00:18:25.960 reincarnation of sabbatai levy or something like that don't anyway so they end up practicing this

00:18:31.120 weird form of judaism all of the jews in their community hate them because you know they're 0.99

00:18:36.460 practicing an inversion of judaism they are literally the least jewish thing you could 0.98

00:18:41.840 conceivably be because they are if somebody practiced an inversion of christianity i think 0.99

00:18:46.420 local christians would hate them too right yeah and of course they're interacting more as a jewish 0.90

00:18:50.520 community so the jewish community is super annoyed by them and they're drawing converts from the 0.99

00:18:54.160 Jewish community. So Jews fucking hate these guys, right? And the Jews wouldn't mind seeing them 1.00

00:19:01.000 wiped out. So who do they form an alliance with to prevent themselves from being wiped out after 0.99

00:19:06.400 a number of, I think, court cases came up about them or something? They form an alliance with

00:19:10.880 the Jesuits. He tells us Jesuits, because they can't go back to being Jews, the Jews hate them. 0.99

00:19:15.940 Oh, we'll become Catholics, right? If you let us do whatever we want to do, right? Like you let us, 0.95

00:19:22.640 in fact they then said that being a catholic was part of this antinomialism it was part of 0.96

00:19:29.300 the inversion of jewish value systems right so they become catholics and some of them

00:19:35.880 continued to practice antinomialism and we have evidence that this happened for 0.81

00:19:42.260 about two generations after this event and no evidence after that but it was and it was

00:19:49.080 mild stuff after this and we also have what happened why did it die out did they not just

00:19:54.760 go secret so they could control things better it's hard to keep weird orgies going on for many

00:20:02.500 you got to get other people as ala could tell you it takes a lot of work and we've done even

00:20:07.100 episodes on this yeah putting together and creating a high investment religious community

00:20:14.600 tied to weird sinful things like this is just difficult to do it's it's not easy right you've

00:20:22.300 got you've got to recruit people in they just didn't have the money and power to do it for

00:20:25.740 very long some of them also ended up joining the jesuit order it was a very small number of them

00:20:31.400 but some of them did this is true but from all of the evidence we have from the jesuits and

00:20:37.540 everything on that they didn't have a big impact on anything that was happening in the jesuit order

00:20:43.960 and any of them that maintain these practices died out within a few generations now the jesuit order 0.92

00:20:49.440 is genuinely one of the the largest evil societies on earth today right like when i say like the 0.98

00:20:57.680 catholics are a problem i really mean the jesuits are a problem because they control the vatican 1.00

00:21:02.080 right now they've done some really shady stuff in papal elections this is not the they actually 1.00

00:21:07.480 shouldn't even really be a catholic order because they were they operated completely outside of the

00:21:13.300 catholic order during i want to say like the communist period or something where they ended

00:21:18.280 up being separated from the rest of the catholic church and the catholic church said that they

00:21:22.220 were supposed to shut down like they basically got excommunicated and they said no we're not

00:21:26.200 going to do that and so they operated entirely independently the period when they operated

00:21:30.500 entirely independently was under catherine the great not the communist period and they were

00:21:35.580 basically excommunicated by the church uh it's an order and anyone who participated was but they

00:21:41.420 continued to operate regardless of this because their region of the world was separated from the

00:21:46.780 rest of the vatican and they basically formed their own culture and beliefs and then were

00:21:51.940 reintegrated into the catholic church to try to like revive the order also i didn't interject

00:21:57.540 with the information under the jacobins because i got virtually everything about them right other

00:22:01.640 than their founding date which was around the 1800s so they disbanded a little later than i

00:22:06.400 thought my second note here if you're wondering why am i qualified to speak on all of this

00:22:10.740 well if you read the bloodlines of the illuminati my dad is supposed to be one of the leading

00:22:16.300 members of it i'm the oldest male heir of the family so presumably i would be my wife

00:22:20.440 was the managing director of dialogue which was a secret society founded by peter teal

00:22:25.080 then we've also been invited to other secret societies founded by peter teal like hereticon

00:22:29.880 i've been to the bohemian grove i'm not a member of the bohemian grove that's a giant waste of

00:22:36.280 money but like i've been and my godfather was one of the presidents i think i could say that at this

00:22:41.680 point i only say that because it's a non-profit so it has to be public that he was the president

00:22:47.080 at one point if you google it otherwise i wouldn't release that information so yeah i have a lot of

00:22:54.260 insight into how a lot of these organizations work and where they're operational and so i know which

00:22:59.600 ones are relevant and which ones are not relevant and how relevant they are in terms of secret power

00:23:04.720 control structures oh i forgot we also did recruiting for a secret society that eric schmidt's

00:23:10.820 orgs were starting and then uh i want to say when the communist world fell apart or something like

00:23:16.920 that they then ended up reintegrating with the catholic church as a completely separate power

00:23:21.780 structure that had a completely divergent goals from the catholic institution and today when we

00:23:27.480 see catholics fermenting socialist rebellions it's typically jesuits fomenting yeah when we see them

00:23:33.720 inventing the concept of like that came up with like liberal theology and stuff like this uh i

00:23:38.100 think it's called like progressive theology or justice theology this was invented by jesus

00:23:42.340 theology really bad stuff really bad bad bad stuff and it ended up taking over a lot of prostitute 0.98

00:23:47.420 sex as well and and they do control the vatican and what the vatican is doing in large part but 0.97

00:23:52.820 they have the the bad stuff that the jesuits are doing today has more ties to communism and

00:24:00.220 socialism than it has to anything tied to sabbatianism okay the the sabbatians and the

00:24:06.000 frankists died out based on all of the evidence we can see so that's it's not stupid to say that 0.97

00:24:13.600 they joined the jesuits and they had some influence in the jesuits it's just stupid to say that 0.78

00:24:18.340 they that that they influence the jesuits today okay there doesn't appear to be or any modern

00:24:25.300 jewish sect today now he's just trying to say that the sabbatian frankis just ultimately conquered

00:24:30.260 the world and that the jacob frank's movement was linked to or he links in his lectures that

00:24:37.320 movement to secret society networks that they infiltrated the jesuits and they formed alliances 1.00

00:24:42.720 that formed the luminati i mean but it's stupid it's stupid the sabbatians very clearly do not 1.00

00:24:51.680 and the frankist ideology very clearly does not influence the faction of jews that is controlling 1.00

00:24:58.700 like when people say the jews have a disproportionate amount of world control today okay okay 0.78

00:25:03.500 but let's let's get to that let's get to that okay let's because let's we'll never get through 0.94

00:25:07.460 let's hear what he has to say and let's talk about that how he talks about this

00:25:13.020 pax judaica and greater israel so what he's trying to claim is the long-term plan of these elites

00:25:20.380 wherever they came from is to engineer a new world order in which greater israel replaces

00:25:26.420 american hegemony and then jerusalem is the seat of global governance and you can also see

00:25:31.060 oh this probably helped to fuel some of his viral popularity anti-israel sentiment is growing people

00:25:38.180 like to think there's this organized cabal that is very israel-centric causing the decline of the

00:25:43.960 west you know like doing evil scary things so i think that's another element of what he's saying

00:25:49.500 that's really resonating with people right but again it because look there are real conspiracies

00:25:55.360 you can talk about if you want to talk about conspiracies so you want to talk about like okay

00:25:59.000 this is what's actually happening okay shabbatai levy basically nobody takes him seriously anymore

00:26:05.020 there's some weird like muslim jewish sects that sort of follow him but they don't do the

00:26:08.400 antinomialist stuff anymore but and this is what annoys me because when you cloud people's vision 0.85

00:26:13.260 was the bs you can't see the real if you've seen our track series one of my most offensive takes

00:26:20.720 but it's one i feel incredibly strongly about because you know when you follow an actual

00:26:26.620 religious belief and you believe that some things are actually religiously true you've got to call

00:26:30.800 out when something is going against those and there was a second major antinomialist figure

00:26:35.920 was in jewish history called the balsham top and the balsham top practice he didn't say it was

00:26:42.600 antinomialism but it was functionally from the perspective of jewish history spiritual

00:26:46.880 antinomialism if you know jewish rules around following people based on miracles instead of

00:26:53.940 biblical knowledge he was very big on the you follow me because of the miracles like the number 0.93

00:26:58.960 one convert came clearly more learned than him all of the most learned rabbis said don't follow

00:27:04.140 this guy and then this guy came out and he's like kabbalah everything and all the other rabbis at

00:27:07.880 the time were like don't do that that's like a dangerous book you could maybe maybe if you're

00:27:11.680 like a married man in his thirties who has studied Judaism forever. You can peek at that book. You do 0.85

00:27:16.620 not make that the foundation of your teachings. And the Kabbalah has a lot of crazy stuff in it.

00:27:22.000 Okay. So anyway, he comes along and he rises the Kabbalism and, and pop mysticism within Judaism.

00:27:29.980 Okay. And he actually took over large factions of the Jewish movement. And the groups that follow

00:27:38.420 his teachings are the ones that completely dominate with you're talking about like jewish

00:27:44.960 influence and israeli influence in western politics it is this secondary form of antinomialism

00:27:50.560 not the type that came from shabbatai levy and they have so much control that this entire video

00:27:56.060 could be taken down even from pointing out that from historic jewish perspectives from medieval

00:28:02.400 jewish perspectives the way that the balsham tov interacted with kabbalistic texts could be thought

00:28:08.180 of a spiritualist antinomialism because it go inverted previous jewish teachings on how you

00:28:14.120 engage with miracles and how you engage with spiritual phenomenons so anyway he comes in

00:28:18.220 a major and these groups do control and they do want a greater israel and i'm actually okay with

00:28:22.780 greater israel when i say a greater israel what i mean by that is an israel which has ability to act

00:28:28.380 in any way it wants on the surrounding nations the countries surrounding israel just don't have

00:28:34.880 the technology to fight back against israel anymore and israel is okay with that and they 0.68

00:28:39.700 are now just like somebody annoys them they kill them right like that that's where israel is going

00:28:44.300 and they're going more in that direction as they get automated drone swarms and stuff like that

00:28:47.820 and and i am okay with that direction for israel because frankly i don't really care about the

00:28:53.380 other countries that are around them a particularly large amount uh the thing is that he's right but

00:28:59.280 it's almost like he's he's wrong in trying to hide the actual like like power structure of the world

00:29:07.700 just enough that he sort of sends people on these shadow journeys so that they miss the real power

00:29:14.060 structures that we should be fighting against and the whole thing about the freemasons is just 0.90

00:29:17.660 pants on head retarded okay well let's see what he says we're just a mormons control the national 0.93

00:29:23.380 security industry in the united states then freemasons control the national security industry 0.92

00:29:27.360 in the united states i feel like they more staff it they don't lead it but that's totally separate

00:29:31.880 subject so on the subject of greater israel and its its roots he says quote and so what will

00:29:40.260 happen is then that israel will achieve the greater israel project the israelis believe

00:29:45.220 that the middle east was promised to their ancestor abraham by yahweh their god if you

00:29:50.900 look at the map of greater israel project it extends from the nile to euphrates it encompasses

00:29:56.620 Lebanon, Syria, parts of Turkey and parts of Saudi Arabia and parts of Egypt. And then Israel

00:30:02.180 will establish something called the Pax Judaica. A Pax Judaica is really the empire, a trading 0.86

00:30:08.360 empire, a financial empire, a technological empire based in Jerusalem. And they see it as

00:30:13.740 fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Do you push back against that? I mean, that seems to be the

00:30:21.020 direction things are going. The countries around Israel are weak in relation to Israel. They

00:30:26.240 appear to be becoming weaker as time goes on and israel is becoming stronger as time goes on

00:30:31.540 yeah because as he put another quote from him he says so what does the greater israel project mean

00:30:36.060 well it means control of oil trade and technology he frames it basically as them inheriting and

00:30:40.960 expanding u.s regional dominance in the middle east after the u.s essentially for me it's like

00:30:46.880 i don't like the other cultures that are in that region i don't think he frames it as negative i

00:30:52.480 just think that people who are anti-israel are like yeah and that means they're evil because i

00:30:57.520 mean he he's also talking about the decline of the west israel was actually controlled by a group of

00:31:03.380 what this what the frankists were and what the the the shabbatai levy followers were was with

00:31:08.060 sort of physical antinomialists as opposed to spiritual antinomialists if they were actual

00:31:13.140 physical antinomialism and believed in in practicing an inversion of jewish law around

00:31:18.340 morality and the physical world instead of just the way they relate to the metaphysical world 0.92

00:31:23.480 i would be very very very concerned i would agree that this group cannot be allowed to gain power

00:31:29.320 but they just don't well he does frame them as evil we're gonna have to pick this up

00:31:38.540 in a second recording session since i have to get the kids but next i can get to how he argues that

00:31:46.200 or at least had suggested the actions during the gaza war amount to ritual child sacrifice and he

00:31:53.200 links real world conflicts to occult or sacrificial practices attributed to israel or jewish adjacent 0.99

00:32:00.060 elites so we'll get to that next so dumb so dumb it's just not an efficient way to do sacrifice 0.99

00:32:11.080 if you're doing child sacrifice do it through something like epstein you don't need to do it 0.99

00:32:14.600 you know honestly the the egyptians they were the ones who really nailed it so cats were sacred but

00:32:20.880 you you wanted mummified cats and i you know like people there was a market for them so what did

00:32:27.200 people do they created like some of the earliest basically factory farms for cats and they would

00:32:33.460 they would kill them and then mummify them and then sell the cat mummies because you know people

00:32:37.920 were like if they wanted just treat and they would even make i would just because this is so fun

00:32:42.620 they would forge they would forge cat mummies too like so people have taken them apart and lo and

00:32:48.960 behold it is not a mummified cat no it's like like paste and chicken bones yeah also by the way fun

00:32:56.480 fact if you want to get really spicy about this if you were a true moral and material antinomialist 0.84

00:33:02.580 jew and you were going to do child sacrifices non-jewish children would be completely pointless 0.88

00:33:08.580 for the child sacrifices because they don't have the this is like good enough no they wouldn't 0.99

00:33:13.800 have like this the spirit of god in them which is why you know because chosen people or something

00:33:18.820 i don't know yeah yeah basically it's it has to do with how jews interpret genesis it doesn't

00:33:23.420 really matter the point being is that if you were an actual antinomialist jew you would only care

00:33:27.700 about jewish children for your sacrifices other children would basically be rotten i don't think

00:33:33.200 he talks about antinomialism but i may because he doesn't understand why he's clearly like

00:33:39.240 approaching all of this from a very midwit perspective and that also annoys me because

00:33:43.880 like these are actual things that you could study and investigate and understand how they change

00:33:48.080 their history why they have these beliefs why they think that you should have an inversion of

00:33:52.400 morality this stuff matters because then you can predict them if you understand the actual theology

00:33:58.040 of an antinomialist then you can say oh so if they're doing child sacrifices could they take

00:34:02.920 random children from gaza would that be any use to them and the answer is no they would have to

00:34:07.420 take them from other jews or from jews who deconverted or something well there isn't a 0.97

00:34:12.440 prediction fan site about your nonsense maybe you need to be a midwit to speak to the midwits 0.97

00:34:20.380 and you won't get a you know when you look at bell curves the mid is the largest part 0.97

00:34:28.700 yep you're you're catering to the wrong part of the bell curve crowd yeah anyway we'll get more

00:34:35.260 to this on our next installment of malcolm gets mad for just professor jang for theories that

00:34:42.700 don't make that are just flirting with reality yeah all right all right love you love you too

00:34:51.820 so where we left off was ritual sacrifice the gaza war yangming and others say that jang has

00:35:00.940 suggested that actions during the gaza war amount to ritual child sacrifice he links real world

00:35:07.840 conflict to occult and sacrificial practices that are attributed to either israel or jewin adjacent

00:35:14.440 like ritual sacrifice or does he think that they're literally doing it for words he used

00:35:20.320 were ritual child sacrifice he's definitely he's saying it's ritual child he's he's saying it's a

00:35:27.180 cult he's keep in mind though he's all this is speculation this was her fun so he tries to

00:35:32.160 deliberately discount a lot of the things that he says in the midst of his lectures of like

00:35:36.500 i'm just doing here but then he's also just making these statements and okay so if i'm

00:35:44.640 to steel man him okay because i will let me i'll just let me first give you a quote his core

00:35:49.960 statement on gaza as ritual sacrifice this is from secret history number four and it is widely

00:35:55.640 clipped people can find this i've linked to it in my show notes quote what is really happening in

00:36:01.400 gaza is a ritual sacrifice and this happens quite often in human history if you go back and you look

00:36:06.400 at the and he goes on and talks about other things and then he also says these are more direct quotes

00:36:11.200 on the purpose and visibility of this sacrifice. Quote, the entire idea of this ritual sacrifice

00:36:19.280 is to unite the Israeli population. And what's extremely disturbing and horrifying about it

00:36:24.560 is that it works. And he also contrasts it with a hypothetical secret approach. Quote,

00:36:30.680 Israel could do it secretly and no one would talk about it. Instead, they choose to do this 0.64

00:36:35.800 in front of the world. They want the world to hate them because by doing this, they create

00:36:40.520 the ultimate taboo so the entire world unite against israel but guess what that's the that's

00:36:46.560 what the region religion wants in the extreme form of jewish jewish i always screw up this word

00:36:52.440 eschatology eschatology eschatology eschatology israel will fight the entire world and god will

00:36:59.280 help israel triumph so as you can see he's not he means sacrifice he means ritual sacrifice 0.88

00:37:04.420 but he means it in a roundabout way he's saying that they're sacrificing children in aims of their

00:37:09.960 greater religious objectives rather than a he's trying to bait the crazies maybe sort of yeah

00:37:16.960 because when he's trying to yeah he's trying to another way that he put it is what the israelis

00:37:20.980 are doing is quite horrific because this really is it is really this sort of sacrifice so he's not

00:37:26.380 saying it is a ritual sacrifice he's saying it's a sacrifice why he says because 47 percent of

00:37:31.780 almost half the population of godva is under 18 years old so he's also showing okay it's not 0.86

00:37:36.940 technically a ritual sacrifice it's more just because palestinians are really young it's like 0.97

00:37:41.620 basically child sacrifice but they're palestinians really young by the way it's because they're 1.00

00:37:46.560 terrible at medical technology so they don't stay alive very long and they are breeding really 1.00

00:37:52.860 rapidly which is you know if i was going to be uncharitable to israel i would say come on let's

00:38:00.000 use more to look in places where there is rampant poverty and deprivation and mistreatment of humans

00:38:05.280 do often get very high birth rates and that's what we're seeing there yes but again he's trying

00:38:09.620 to play this up as virtual sacrifice again and again and i think you made a really smart point

00:38:13.680 there and that he is doing this to pander to conspiracy theorists while still trying to look

00:38:20.660 smart and be like oh i'm not actually saying that pandas owens will just flat out be like

00:38:25.180 i talked with charlie kirk in a dream where he'll be like this comes across as so much slimier than

00:38:31.660 just like yes straight up being a conspiracy theorist or not being one it's all like couched

00:38:36.460 like 47 and he'll say he's all this is like sacrifice tradition that history like the

00:38:41.180 and is he tries to make it seem like i'm a historian i'm just talking i'm just i love

00:38:47.240 that this has happened multiple times throughout history there is actually child sacrifice is

00:38:52.640 at least within the european tradition after christianization fairly rare the only instance

00:39:00.080 that could come close to it that i'm aware of is the children's crusade but you couldn't even argue

00:39:05.960 that the jesuits did better see at least not frankish jesuits because they didn't come around

00:39:10.320 to the 1800s and this was in the 1200s it still could be the catholics but not the jesuits

00:39:16.500 and they didn't even the catholic church the pope at the time even was as corrupt as popes were back

00:39:23.260 then did not officiate the children's crusade it happened as a what is the children's should i not

00:39:28.700 ask you don't want to know okay never mind i don't want to know but he didn't say it was a good thing

00:39:34.460 so you know even that doesn't really hold the like i want to go okay you go what religions actually

00:39:41.740 do in a modern context might actually believe in child sacrifice the two key ones that i can think

00:39:50.660 of no hold on the palestinians believe in child sacrifice remember that clip of that that palestinian 0.68

00:39:56.080 woman who's like i'm glad my son died in in this war and i hope to have more children so they can 0.96

00:40:01.960 die who's doing this yeah who's using the children as human shields it's the palestinians it's the 0.94

00:40:09.280 palestinians who are actively engaging in child sacrifice who are actively putting the children 0.81

00:40:13.880 on front lines excuse me that's what makes it extra insulting he's putting this on the israelis

00:40:18.700 and the israelis are not perfect but the ones who are putting children in the direct line of fire

00:40:23.880 from the palestinians yeah if you're familiar with and i criticize jewish eschatology regularly i 0.73

00:40:30.760 criticize jewish metaphysics at least of the non-misnognom camp which is most jews because

00:40:35.760 that's the hasidic jewish jews and i say things that offend them all the time so i'm going into

00:40:40.860 this as harsh as i could be right there is not any mainstream eschatology or metaphysical belief

00:40:48.700 within Judaism where child sacrifice would be considered a good thing. You could get this in

00:40:55.220 some antinomial historic sects like the Frankists or the followers of Dabbatai Levy, but even the

00:41:03.140 iterations of Judaism today, which I consider to be spiritually antinomial, still have no form of

00:41:09.260 that would lead to child sacrifice. It's just not on their game board. So you have these historic

00:41:14.540 sects that may want this but these historic sects were integrated into the catholic church they

00:41:20.380 weren't integrated into jewish tradition and he even he admits that they were they were taken by

00:41:26.140 the frankists were absorbed by the jesuits they were not absorbed by mainstream jewish society

00:41:32.380 so even if by his own conspiracy theory logic they did still exist they would be controlling

00:41:39.100 the vatican and not israel if he's saying they're just sacrificing children of other nations who

00:41:45.100 they want to go to war with to win no in the bible this is in the bible that there are instances

00:41:52.600 in which when you are fighting a population that is really bad because the populations that this

00:41:59.920 was said of in the bible they practice things like jewish child sacrifice which you could argue

00:42:03.980 given what she's talking about here it said to kill not just the men but the women and children

00:42:08.520 as well in a few instances very clear commandment from god that applies to christians as well by the

00:42:15.160 way we have to deal with that presumably our god said this at some point right maybe he changed his

00:42:20.680 mind on things but you could say okay they have in times of war when the enemy is demonstrably evil

00:42:27.100 then you kill all of the enemy's members okay but that's not really child sacrifice that's more like

00:42:33.500 a war crime right but i don't like the stretching here when you can just lay it out in a way that

00:42:39.340 isn't conspiracy minded and be like mainstream judaism does want jews to win mainstream most

00:42:47.060 religions want them to win if i go into extremist catholic eschatology they one day want to convert

00:42:53.320 everyone right convert or this is what catholic integralism is about convert or kill right at

00:43:00.440 the end of the day everyone's on team for them but they're not the only ones who want to do this

00:43:04.720 right most protestants they may be less clear about this but they eventually want every actually

00:43:11.920 most protestants believe that one day that all many different christian sects can are like good

00:43:19.580 enough in the same way that we have a test right so they're okay as long as everyone's christian

00:43:24.220 one day but that's still pretty totalizing right i'll note here that the modern vatican actually

00:43:29.680 does not one day want everyone to be catholic because they say that i think this was at vatican

00:43:34.360 two that like muslims still believe a real god like in the real like god that the catholics are

00:43:40.000 worshiping and the protestants do i'm saying that they're like partially true religions as well and 0.55

00:43:44.740 this pissed off a lot of catholics and this is where you've got one of the sects that's technically

00:43:49.640 schismatic but says they're not schismatic and has some influencers but the the way that i read

00:43:54.780 a lot of the historic Catholic church wanted everything to be Catholic eventually. But the

00:43:59.940 point I'm making here is this is not unique to the Jews. Most groups eventually want everyone to be a 0.95

00:44:04.920 member of their particular religion. Even the peaceful Baha'i want this, right? Everybody wants 1.00

00:44:10.980 this. This isn't a Jewish eschatology secret hush-hush thing. The only thing that might make

00:44:16.160 the Jews slightly more suspect in their desire for this is that modern Jews don't think that

00:44:21.980 you can convert just anyone into Judaism.

00:44:24.180 So if they eventually want the Jews to win, 0.99

00:44:26.800 that becomes a bit more zero-sum than the Christian sects 0.97

00:44:29.860 that want to do this through conversion. 0.99

00:44:31.800 That said, a Jewish movement has begun to invent

00:44:34.940 all sorts of traditions to get around this

00:44:36.900 with a no-hide system,

00:44:38.580 which in our episode we point out

00:44:40.160 is just a historical fabrication. 0.81

00:44:42.660 This is on the question that breaks Judaism. 0.95

00:44:44.180 We go into the no-hide scam. 0.74

00:44:45.820 But anyway, continue, Simone.

00:44:49.040 The next broad conspiracy theory,

00:44:51.360 you could argue it's a theme of professor jeng's work that i think is the probably best fodder for

00:44:58.600 some people's suppositions that he is in various ways supported perhaps indirectly and perhaps

00:45:05.720 even without his knowledge by the ccp is that he has this broad belief in like western institutions

00:45:15.960 being hollowed out and controlled by hidden elites with U.S. decline being both inevitable 0.95

00:45:22.160 and deserved. And one long-form critique that I came across about him claims that basically his

00:45:30.480 forecasts all converge on one outcome, which is American collapse. He predicts Western civil war,

00:45:38.660 the vindication of Chinese and Iranian strategic positions in a way that maps almost perfectly 0.80

00:45:44.660 onto the narrative architecture of ccp soft power so as you can imagine this is one of those critiques

00:45:49.940 that sees this is being a him being a ccp thing so let's look at some of his own quotes on this

00:45:56.200 on secret societies is the real power orchestrating shifts he says quote what i say is that the real 0.51

00:46:02.420 power base are a collection of six societies that have an eschatological view of this war

00:46:08.120 sir the secret societies include the freemasons you have a collection of six societies they

00:46:13.260 believe in a war in the Middle East would start a process that would culminate in the end times.

00:46:17.980 This war in the Middle East will lead to the defeat of the American empire, and this will lead 0.76

00:46:22.360 to the greater Israel project, Pax Judea, and then on their role in Western decline. He says, 0.52

00:46:28.660 as for how this happened, the issue that this is actually a plan that has been operating for

00:46:34.220 centuries involving different religious groups, Frankists, Shabbatians, Freemasonry, Knights,

00:46:39.420 templar rosicutions and the jesuits so what is different secret societies different religious

00:46:45.220 organizations have been collaborating over centuries to advance a plan to about the end

00:46:50.240 of the world which we will usher in the messianic age and then go ahead i know what you're well i

00:46:56.760 think i know you're gonna say that he's conflating this minority christian view that israel needs to

00:47:02.880 exist because then it'll help us bring around the end times the right way that's a pretty common

00:47:07.420 view among pentecostals right which i think okay less less uncommon but pentecostals i don't even

00:47:13.160 think are allowed in the freemasons they're certainly not one of the dominant factions in

00:47:18.260 the freemasons the freemasons are typically more like deists and mainline protestants they most

00:47:25.360 baptists and pentecostals are a little too conspiracy theory brain to join the freemasons

00:47:29.660 that doesn't really make sense if you're conspiracy theory brain you should be

00:47:34.120 join the freemasons yeah some people do because they think it's gonna they're gonna get access

00:47:38.620 to special knowledge or whatever and then they're like oh no it's just old men but okay so let's 0.61

00:47:43.580 actually if he's not an idiot what's his meta objective his meta objective is to use parts of 0.52

00:47:52.480 true information to try to turn american sentiment against our most useful allies 0.83

00:47:59.660 particularly right now oh if he's an agent of the ccp or if he wants to right he wants to advance

00:48:06.460 the cause because iran i don't actually think that's what's going on i think maybe the ccp

00:48:11.320 is openly signal boosting him because they like his narrative and they find that it works

00:48:15.920 in concert with their goals but i actually think he's just out to get his book deal and launch his

00:48:22.140 own stuff and make money from that potentially but the thing that's weird to me is greater

00:48:27.580 if we're allied with israel greater israel is good for the united states greater israel means

00:48:35.900 a bunch of places in the middle east that don't like us very much become a part of one of our

00:48:42.160 only growing and really ideologically strategically aligned allies in the world right now becomes

00:48:50.700 bigger and i'd go further which is to say i agree with him greater israel seems to be on track to 0.69

00:48:56.840 happen right because the only thing that's really keeping israel from just going out and killing 0.70

00:49:01.820 everyone it doesn't like and taking the land is europe and europe is declining in power and 0.76

00:49:07.460 outside of europe the thing that's preventing them are the progressive israelis but the progressive

00:49:12.580 israelis if you look at their marches like one of my israeli friends was sitting to this to me

00:49:16.300 they look like senior citizen marches you look at the conservative marches and they're all young

00:49:20.240 people right we know what the next generation is gosh that's so true no kings look so old oh my 0.80

00:49:26.000 It's the same with the United States, the groups that would want to rein in Israel from creating greater Israel. 0.64

00:49:31.260 Really, even if you're like an American first and you're like cut off military aid to Israel, which I'm 100 percent for, by the way, we should cut off all economic aid to Israel. 0.72

00:49:38.660 Even if you're like that and Israel then started conquering its neighbors, you're not going to want to go in and stop them. 0.62

00:49:43.760 And yet I hear the same people who are like, I'm mad because we are intervening in Iran right now, then on on their same shows, fantasizing about America going in and conquering Israel. And it's a row. So you're not against us intervening in the Middle East. You're not against foreign wars. You just want them to be for your political agenda. Right. Which is so being silly and stupid, frankly.

00:50:11.960 And I had on one of our comments recently, people were being like, why do you support the Jews when they majority vote Democrat? 1.00

00:50:17.700 The Jews that I support are not the reformed Jews that create this statistic.

00:50:23.420 They are the conservative Orthodox.

00:50:26.180 According to Pew, 75 percent of Orthodox Jews vote Republican.

00:50:30.660 Keep in mind, these are the Jews that are actually having children, that are actually going to be representative in future generations.

00:50:35.420 that if we want to get along with the Jews, we have to find a way to partner with because 0.56

00:50:39.780 they are one of the groups that is intergenerationally relevant and they are wildly 0.78

00:50:45.020 conservative. And not only are they wildly conservative, but they are disproportionate

00:50:49.960 populations in many swing states like Florida, which makes it incredibly stupid to antagonize 0.99

00:50:57.480 them if you're right wing Jews who are productive. Not all of them. I don't like the parasitic ones. 1.00

00:51:02.700 right and that faction of jews does vote conservative they've long been one of the 1.00

00:51:07.260 pillars of conservative voting blocks in places like florida and stuff like that i don't even know

00:51:12.340 where people are getting this from but anyway continue simon i could read more quotes about

00:51:17.660 the western decline thing but it's honestly been in built into so many of the other things you've

00:51:21.860 read about and so i want to finish up in terms of his general top conspiracy themes with his whole

00:51:27.740 thing on psychohistory and mystical prediction he explicitly invokes isaac asimov's fictional

00:51:33.440 concept of psychohistory again fictional concept and claims to use structural history and game

00:51:39.400 theory to predict the future though i should note that in his lectures on game theory

00:51:44.540 he doesn't demonstrate a mastery of game theory concepts so i'm not really again like a lot of

00:51:52.220 this is like explain what he gets wrong about game three we'll get into that in a little bit

00:51:56.220 because I'm going to discuss that in a bit.

00:51:57.940 But anyway, he basically treats this fictional device

00:52:02.300 of like psychohistory and game theory

00:52:04.060 as a scientific method

00:52:06.500 and like an academic thing when it's not.

00:52:10.160 Some debunkers also allege that he talks about

00:52:12.280 listening to the voice of the universe

00:52:13.840 or higher power that guides his predictions,

00:52:16.240 which they argue pushes his material

00:52:18.120 from speculative analysis into quasi-mystical prophecy,

00:52:21.880 which you definitely see come through

00:52:23.800 in the way that many of his followers regard him they're really like oh you've got to check out

00:52:30.280 this professor jang he's been calling some stuff oh never mind that like he gets a ton of stuff

00:52:35.200 wrong what he doesn't i have not heard a single impressive prediction from him yet when people

00:52:40.500 look oh he calls for stuff he said trump would win the election i said trump would win the election

00:52:45.520 i don't go around where's your two million followers on youtube malcolm um he said that

00:52:51.060 there was a chance that the u.s would go to war was iran every single analyst that i watch or

00:52:58.100 listen to has been saying that since trump came into office dude watch trump talking about iran

00:53:04.180 in the 80s like yes he said he wanted to he said literally on the campaign trail that he planned to

00:53:09.780 bomb iran i do not know the people who think and then you look whenever he does make an out there

00:53:15.380 conspiracy theory they're always super wrong yeah like quite uninformed so it is anyway things that

00:53:21.840 he said though about psychohistory he says psychohistory is the idea that the future can

00:53:26.720 be predicted and if it can be predicted that it can can be controlled and harnessed for the

00:53:31.940 betterment of humanity in his foundation series isaac asimov introduces the science of psychohistory

00:53:38.860 yes this is him it's a the foundation okay continue off the reservation yeah it is really

00:53:47.180 possible to predict the future by mathematically modeling historical development it's not by the

00:53:52.820 way anyway just on ai and modeling which is funny he's trying to now make it look plausible by being

00:53:59.340 like oh what i really mean is you just mathematically model historic events no like

00:54:04.100 literally that's what a character does in the foundation series it starts off with basically

00:54:08.380 this academic professor who's special he's figured out the formula and the problem with

00:54:13.660 in narratively with the foundation series is basically this professor has figured out the

00:54:18.100 formula and then he gets exiled to the far reaches of the universe because he predicts the downfall

00:54:24.980 of the empire that has grown in this futuristic world and the empire does fall and that's the

00:54:30.980 key thing it's called foundations because he works to build this like i under look simone you've

00:54:36.800 explained this before i think you've explained enough of it at this point they didn't work to 0.95

00:54:39.460 be able to counter anyway this is all stupid and i hate it so let's hold on here he's singing 0.99

00:54:44.580 something that is both profoundly stupid and something that is both so obvious that no one 0.99

00:54:49.000 would challenge it okay he's basically saying you can use history to gain some predictive capacity 0.99

00:54:54.140 over future events yes everybody agrees on that it helps to be informed by history yes history is

00:55:00.380 worth 100 to give you predictive capability on future events that is someone that is not

00:55:06.780 the mathematical equation to predicting history that's just history as a discipline

00:55:13.100 continue oh hold on they've been bathed they were they just went into the creek fully closed

00:55:19.480 like all the way toasty was freezing but you know what we had fun though yeah that's how you know

00:55:26.040 it's a good day so okay i want to hear more of this professor jang stuff right so we've gone over

00:55:32.120 the you know his his various things about the pax judaica and the secret societies bringing

00:55:38.100 about the decline and fall of western civilization and all that right i think one way that you like

00:55:44.740 to calibrate the competency of people is by hearing their takes on something that you have

00:55:50.700 thought a lot or read a lot about so i thought maybe you'd be interested in hearing the highlights

00:55:56.160 from his lecture on AI. Are you interested? Okay. He wants to couch first his analysis on AI as a

00:56:04.880 general concept as intellectual exploration and that he acknowledges that he often oversimplifies

00:56:12.600 and that his readings of texts like Paradise Lost and the Kabbalah, because that's a good sign,

00:56:18.060 are minority interpretations. He's to build broader narratives. The core thesis that he

00:56:24.500 wanted to summarize from his prior class before talking about ai is that to understand history

00:56:29.540 and geopolitics you have to take extremist religious beliefs seriously because fanatical

00:56:34.340 eschatological frame frameworks and ideologies often drive great powers behavior which i don't

00:56:40.420 think is true but that is what he thinks is true so in terms of ai hold on this is partially true

00:56:46.160 there are some jews that are driven by the real jewish objective right like there are some

00:56:52.720 catholics driven by like a real long-term catholic objective i even would argue that

00:56:57.960 most people who have a real faith are actually driven by the even techno puritanism yeah but

00:57:05.620 people in the end within within complex systems act in alignment with their incentives and their

00:57:10.440 incentives first and foremost are to accrue resources and avoid punishment and you know

00:57:16.600 what i'm sorry but i disagree psychological frameworks don't fit into that because look

00:57:22.860 the the first the first goal that anyone who's even a religious zealot is typically going to

00:57:28.100 pursue is ah well the best thing i can do is to accrue power often in the form of money or resources

00:57:34.940 so that i can have more influence for my agenda here doesn't explain what you were just talking

00:57:41.540 about where the mother is happy that her son died fighting israel where you regularly she

00:57:47.000 didn't have a shot in any resources so her only resource is her son and she's glad and i guess

00:57:52.900 religious like alignment probably like yeah resources in this world she's banking on resources

00:57:59.660 in the next world and that's eschatology that's extremist eschatology that is what drives a lot

00:58:05.740 of people's behavior okay point made i don't think that's what drives most people who are

00:58:12.620 in power now and she's not in power i think it drives netanyahu's behavior

00:58:16.340 i don't know but anyway i'm dubious people in the comments will weigh in and tell me how the

00:58:23.460 woman is wrong once again it drives i know it drives your behavior my behavior is driven much

00:58:30.600 more by an eschatological framework my behavior is driven by autism as you know which is why i

00:58:36.760 do all sorts of things not in anyone's best interest but you know the dishwasher is driven

00:58:43.720 by an eschatological framework for where i want humanity to go welcome to your world

00:58:49.160 and the the i mean i'm very upfront about it right the only place where i may not be upfront

00:58:55.080 about things is how ruthless i would go if i was a majority player well after yesterday's episode

00:59:03.080 it may be a little bit more clear how far i'd go actually i was in part inspired to do that episode

00:59:08.200 by doing this one and i was like you know what if i die and the techno puritan start to grow

00:59:14.280 i think that i need to bake this in and not just have this part be in my head to be like look get

00:59:21.720 Get along with outsiders as much as you can.

00:59:25.360 Do not disparage a group unless you absolutely know that you cannot live alongside them.

00:59:30.780 But once that becomes the case, they need to be removed in their entirety, at least

00:59:36.000 the ones that you do not integrate into your culture.

00:59:38.780 And always leave that to be an option for those that are strong or ideologically aligned

00:59:44.100 until it's time to make the move.

00:59:46.960 And I think that this is a fairly sane way to operate, right? 0.82

00:59:50.940 the idea of oh this group will always be nice until we push them too far then as many outsiders

00:59:57.500 i'd be like well let's just push them too hard assuming they ever become a big group if i had

01:00:02.720 power but i don't right now i don't have a systemic power so it's better for me to say we should all

01:00:07.560 get along right okay okay anyway the the source material that professor jang uses to talk about

01:00:15.640 AI is, unfortunately not if anyone builds it, everyone dies, but rather Empire of AI, which is

01:00:22.720 a book about open AI by Karen Howe. Oh, Howe, sorry, Karen Howe. Howe argues in her book that

01:00:29.120 open AI's original idealism, that AGI benefits all of humanity, has turned into a formula for

01:00:36.240 consolidating power and centralizing talent around a quasi-religious mission, which, okay,

01:00:40.980 that like checks out i'm okay with that argument they're pursuing relentless global expansion like

01:00:47.000 a trillion dollar data centers and constantly referring to agi to maintain control what he

01:00:52.760 argues is that opening eyes true but unspoken goal is to create god and he interprets leaders

01:00:59.620 like brockman and skutsever as trying to build the de facto deity which he calls insane evil and 0.98

01:01:07.220 stupid he posits that sam altman's interest in ai companions like sex robots is about maximizing 0.98

01:01:13.800 youth intensity and dependency not about human flourishing and that it's part of a drive to make 0.99

01:01:19.920 ai omnipresent in everyday life any thoughts on his thesis so far so he's just doing what he does

01:01:27.640 with other theses where he says something that is meant to be provocative but is actually a very 0.75

01:01:34.720 uninteresting statement um everything he is saying is profoundly uninteresting and unintelligent 0.54

01:01:41.160 all he is saying is that i assume like assuming he doesn't mean they're trying to create a literal 0.77

01:01:47.200 god which every time he makes one of these theories he always backs it off you know the

01:01:52.300 interpretation and what he means is they're trying to create a super powerful intelligence

01:01:58.440 that runs the majority of the world's economy of course of course that's part of the goal right

01:02:04.860 you know they're a company they're making a product they want people to use it they want

01:02:09.720 it to be maximally impactful and this is what it has the capability to do so it's just i'd say

01:02:16.060 it's not wrong yet it's just profoundly an uninteresting observation he also in terms of

01:02:23.440 his understanding of ai traces chat box to weisenbaum's eliza to argue that systems like

01:02:30.480 chat gpt are mainly performing pattern matching and conversational tricks that exploit our tendency

01:02:36.560 to hallucinate agency and meaning rather than really that's how that's how an ai coded my

01:02:43.200 entire website for me that's how it made very sophisticated code for me by the way the vtuber

01:02:50.560 creation is now working the the vtuber pro pathway so if you want to make a vtuber avatar now

01:02:55.580 obviously after i released the feature it gives a bunch of updates to improve it over the next

01:03:00.680 couple weeks because that's what i'm gonna be doing is polishing it but it it works now and

01:03:05.040 with the free editing software it's just a bit of a pain to get all the software you're probably

01:03:08.960 gonna have to use an ai to to fiddle with it but yeah it comes pre-rigged and everything for those

01:03:13.640 unfamiliar this is our website rfab.ai that is rfab.ai um we offer everything from ai chats uh

01:03:22.080 to you know you can you can do local encrypted savings of your ai chats you can do hands-only

01:03:28.780 ai chats you can do vibe coding you can do ai agents you can do ai based trading card games

01:03:36.780 you can do searches where it takes various ais and it checks your search against the outputs of

01:03:42.880 other AIs that search online to give you results without hallucinations. You can do based AI where

01:03:48.840 every AI prompt is sent was like a side note to it to keep it from becoming too progressive

01:03:53.120 or woke, whatever you want to say. You can do our image generation has gotten really good. It's one

01:03:58.760 of the most diverse image generations out there that uses pretty much all the top models that you

01:04:03.740 want to use, but with a lot more tools. Anything you want, rfab.ai. That's Reality Fabricator. You

01:04:10.940 can just search it too just yeah it is just pattern matching but most of human thought is

01:04:17.180 just pattern matching i know i know that's how you make art that's how you make music that's how

01:04:22.960 you write books you pattern match with a little bit of external directionality but the external

01:04:30.520 directionality is mostly superficial in nature if i am going and i am creating the next great

01:04:38.300 art piece of the whatever style most of what i am doing is pattern matching to that style

01:04:43.900 if i'm trying to create a new style of art okay maybe i'm not pattern matching there but really

01:04:50.720 you typically are you're taking it from some idea or it's even like anti-pattern matching where

01:04:56.180 you're like i'm just gonna try to do something no i'm gonna make a block a red block and i'm

01:04:59.500 gonna call that art oh you sorry i just hate when people try to downplay how much of what they call

01:05:08.240 thought is pattern matching yeah anyway his take on ai risk is that attempts to make ai that

01:05:18.380 solve all problems are going to result in things like oh well okay just make everyone happy

01:05:23.840 eliminate suffering and then ai will just kill all people like that's kind of his his take on 0.98

01:05:28.600 x risk that's a really dumb take on x risk yeah he also stresses the data center has devoured 0.98

01:05:36.120 water and electricity and finance while remaining easy physical targets. He talks about like physical

01:05:42.280 attacks in the Middle East as early signs that that infrastructure can't really be defended

01:05:47.600 at a global scale. In terms of the U.S. versus China with AI, and this is what I would pay extra

01:05:54.100 attention to if we're trying to determine whether or not he is either directly or indirectly being

01:05:59.340 sponsored by the CCP. He says that publicly U.S. firms frame Chinese AI as existential as a threat

01:06:06.520 to attract money and political support, but privately, he says American and Chinese entities

01:06:11.580 are collaborating because China's pervasive surveillance and classroom monitoring

01:06:15.680 yield the clean data the U.S. companies want but cannot easily gather domestically.

01:06:21.700 What I appreciate about this is at least this is the first novel argument I'm hearing. I've not

01:06:28.480 heard someone would have any advantage in AI yes China has a mass surveillance state and it's clean

01:06:35.340 data and so you know the the U.S. needs them for training data I have seen evidence that U.S. firms

01:06:43.200 are using lots of Chinese data because I have repeatedly in recent AI work I've been doing

01:06:49.000 seen Chinese characters pop up randomly interesting I've heard other people have seen had Hebrew

01:06:55.480 characters pop up randomly as well well well well which would make sense where collabing was china 0.94

01:07:00.460 and israel yeah we're really cross-stealing it's where china tries to steal from us we sometimes 0.88

01:07:05.220 get data from them it's the whole thing is is like yes they need money but they don't act as 0.85

01:07:11.960 defensive against china as they would if they saw them as an existential threat it's more like

01:07:16.740 everyone's just running as fast as they can with this particular race and that's where we are and 0.50

01:07:21.840 There just aren't that many true trade secrets in the AI space.

01:07:25.100 Where I fall with him and this being or not being CCP propaganda, I think it doesn't hurt what I think the CCP is doing, which is like, okay, stoke fears among U.S. citizens about AI and get them to slow down the creation of data centers, et cetera, which is a whole episode I'm thinking about doing.

01:07:46.260 is is data center fear being astrophobic because already there's sort of homegrown fear but i feel

01:07:54.240 like it's being it's getting extra fuel that might be coming from the ccp because when you look at

01:07:58.460 just the stark difference between the way that people in china view ai versus the way that people

01:08:03.220 in the u.s view ai i feel like there's clear there's a there's a skew that suggested a more

01:08:09.840 interesting story there like why why is everyone in china like pretty cool with ai like this is

01:08:14.300 probably going to be good whereas like in the u.s they were like it's going to end the world

01:08:17.500 something something is going on anyway though so it's not incompatible with that he's certainly

01:08:21.780 framing ai is a negative thing he also has a whole thing on ai in the occult he links the project

01:08:27.320 named stargate to the cia's historical operation stargate which was on psychic phenomenon and

01:08:34.960 to sci-fi depictions of dimensional portraits interpreting modern ai data centers as literal

01:08:40.980 portals designed to summon demons slash aliens from other dimensions and i think this is one

01:08:48.000 of those things where like he he and this is very clever on his part because clearly it's working

01:08:53.440 sort of brings in in keyword stuff with conspiracy language without really explicitly being like

01:08:59.280 he they're using it to bring in demons he's like well like demons you know because they're trying

01:09:04.340 to make it ai god so it's like the ai yeah he tried to frame it as sacrilegious to make a

01:09:09.920 a machine that could solve world hunger and could they could solve jobs that could solve

01:09:14.960 like most of the world's problems which is i'm not saying that that's what they're trying to do

01:09:19.500 but like that is one potential outcome of creating a super intelligent ai that takes most human work 0.64

01:09:26.260 away it is it is a outcome that has significant societal risks that we're gonna have to figure

01:09:31.840 out how to get around but to just frame all of these things is this is the trick that he runs 0.88

01:09:37.320 which really is a stupid and annoying trick to me well effective though let's let's be clear here 0.94

01:09:42.560 they're trying to build something that you could argue is godlike and now because they're trying 0.98

01:09:50.200 to build god that's demonic and anti-biblical it's like what you just said it's a technical

01:09:55.280 whatever analogous thing they're not literally trying to build god here yeah though he does

01:10:01.100 say like this is sort of this is supposed to as of the time of this recording be sort of the first

01:10:05.660 in his ai series and he he says that the rest of his semester because he's really trying to again

01:10:10.760 he's using language to like frame this as a euro student in his class that he's going to trace how

01:10:16.680 this occult ai project is going to unfold and why he believes it will end in the destruction of the

01:10:22.660 world and that he he says that oh yeah he's not plan he's trying to get the u.s to back off ai

01:10:28.740 anyone who's trying to get the u.s to back off of ai i am immediately suspicious of well and you

01:10:34.540 you had said to me the other day you're like well there's no way he could possibly be in china

01:10:38.420 as far as we know he is in china he teaches a course on western philosophy at moonshot academy

01:10:45.340 in beijing his linkedin profile lists his location is haidon district beijing china his ex profile

01:10:52.060 is beijing china multiple recent media descriptions in 2026 call him a beijing-based educator or say

01:10:59.920 he's based in beijing so sorry i need to take a step back for people who don't understand why

01:11:04.120 this would be the case in china you it is illegal to have a youtube account you cannot have a youtube

01:11:09.660 account is that true no because then how did the adb china's guys do it before they they they had

01:11:16.100 to run away from the country note i double checked this to make sure i was getting it right and yes

01:11:20.240 it is extremely illegal to run a youtube channel in china youtube is blocked by the great firewall

01:11:25.060 so the only way you could have one is by using a vpn which are extremely extremely illegal if you

01:11:29.900 a chinese citizen a lot of foreigners are unaware of this because the rules aren't enforced that

01:11:34.160 strictly for foreigners but yes uh china certainly has to like legally approve of everything he's

01:11:40.440 putting out otherwise they could just shut him down right but like before for a very long time

01:11:45.540 they were very prominent did it with vpns and stuff nobody cares basically you get popular

01:11:49.880 enough and he's definitely in the range where someone in the ccp has approved this um everyone

01:11:56.560 one above a certain follower list basically you know the the mere fact that he hasn't been shut

01:12:02.080 down is proof that the season three thinks it's his message is effective for their ends yeah

01:12:08.520 well that's telling they would literally shut him down if not he's yeah so the only yeah basically

01:12:16.060 like they're not enforcing a law which you say exists i didn't know about this law because it

01:12:22.280 is in their best interest to not enforce this law yeah anyone you see who's in china and on

01:12:29.860 the internet today is is is doing ccp work right like wow okay well there you had it i mean that's

01:12:39.360 malcolm's theory then and i will i will i will give you two other youtubers theories like in in

01:12:43.800 short version uh to sort of give where other people think this guy is or why why they think

01:12:49.520 he's big and it doesn't exactly make sense or fully add up there's this guy on youtube called

01:12:55.600 jose just jose and basically his argument is that he's spamming the smart professor signal

01:13:02.260 he did this video called professor jeng's broken classroom in which he argues that jeng's predictive

01:13:09.580 history and game theory lectures are not a series of education but narrative driven speculation

01:13:13.680 that's riddled with factual errors that people believe to be credible because his lectures are

01:13:18.280 packaged in the aesthetics of academia to create this veneer of authority and some of his choice

01:13:24.480 factual errors that jose highlights in in his overview is holocaust denial and claims that no 0.99

01:13:31.820 good idea came through the scientific method which oh my god profoundly stupid um that is 0.96

01:13:39.580 profoundly stupid if he actually said that yeah he did he included the clip and i watched the 0.99

01:13:44.320 the full video the clip is it's there and he cites the to talk about this dynamic he cites 0.99

01:13:52.020 the dr fox lecture which i hadn't heard about before but it's this experiment in which this

01:13:56.360 charismatic actor was presented deliberately as a like fancy smart professor and then delivered a

01:14:05.520 content-free jargon-laden lecture as mr dr myron l fox and then still received this highly positive

01:14:13.520 of evaluation from a professional audience suggesting that basically acting like you're

01:14:19.660 a smart professor and using professorial words can just max mask a complete lack of of substance

01:14:26.340 in what's actually being said and this was this was done in 1973 so this is a well-known

01:14:31.880 yeah that is i mean he appears to be kind of full of himself if i'm gonna be honest i don't know if

01:14:38.160 this is like to trick people or anything like that i just think he's sort of arrogant like this

01:14:41.940 right like i think that this is just sort of how he judges self-worth is this sort of like

01:14:46.700 pseudo mystical history stuff basically i'll tell you what my whole theory and like my hot take

01:14:53.600 about him is that basically he is the modern day jeffrey epstein of china jeffrey epstein was a

01:15:00.140 you know he was really good at like convincing people that he was super smart and without really

01:15:04.980 any serious qualifications ended up teaching math at an elite high school in new york what is this

01:15:11.840 but an elite high school in Beijing and then he started using that and the connections he got

01:15:17.020 through the school and through other places to get into this role and to get into that role and I

01:15:20.680 think that's exactly what Professor Zhang is doing and if you fall for Professor Zhang you would fall

01:15:24.920 for Jeffrey Epstein and I'm not saying Professor Zhang has some other weird creepy stuff going on

01:15:30.600 I'm just saying that this is the it's the game it is the same exact game that Jeffrey Epstein

01:15:38.640 faking being an educator right faking being smart and faking being like really erudite and like oh

01:15:43.600 like basically spamming people with all this stuff until they kind of fake it until you you make it

01:15:48.040 into these circles and actually build some real i mean jeffrey epstein did it through building like

01:15:53.040 dirt on people and literally implicating them in like financial crimes and then he kind of it's 0.96

01:15:56.920 funny if you contrast him with us right so he has no we we performatively stupid max 0.97

01:16:03.760 yeah we we do things that make us look bad so the reason why you watch us still 0.89

01:16:08.580 is because our ideas our ideas actually have merit you know we we come on air we pretend to be

01:16:14.900 like racist bloodites I'll put the racist clip here right um and in actuality I have a graduate

01:16:22.780 degree from Stanford in an MBA right which is the hardest of the graduate degrees to get into

01:16:28.680 in Stanford a harder than most of their PhD I think any other PhD programs mostly because

01:16:33.240 the effects it has on your life makes more money um so and it's the hardest mba in the world to

01:16:39.400 get into it's harder than harvard by a country miles like i think 30 or something this my

01:16:45.060 undergrad is from st andrews which is often ranked the top university in the uk in neuroscience i

01:16:50.640 have been published in the field of neuroscience i worked in actually doing neuroscience doing

01:16:57.060 psychology work and at the smithsonian museum of natural history where i still have an exhibit on

01:17:02.600 display literally the top museum on earth maybe only if you're talking about like the world of

01:17:08.760 academia maybe only equivocated to like the british museum um it's awesome yeah and then

01:17:14.140 simone has her graduate degree from cambridge right both of us have worked in like the halls

01:17:20.980 of power and he got a ba from a nice university right so i know what i'm saying is is that like

01:17:27.860 our ideas our theories that we have developed are taught at universities like stanford yeah but we

01:17:33.940 don't stand in front of a freaking whiteboard and are like i'm professor collins let me give

01:17:38.940 you a lecture in this semester of my performative class yeah we don't do that and i've noticed we 0.87

01:17:45.320 don't use pocket sand to distract you into believing us i mean he reminds me of drexel

01:17:53.560 friedman right lex friedman lex oh lex friedman who pretends that he has any connection to yale

01:18:00.320 he has no serious connection to them he got his degree from drexel he got his graduate degree

01:18:04.720 from drexel he's drexel freeman he is not a particularly intelligent person he just puts

01:18:09.600 on an act like he's a smart person connected to what is it no it's not yale it's mit right like

01:18:14.500 it's it's this sort of laundered and keep in mind we have acted in ways which he hasn't i don't know

01:18:22.460 if he has but it would prevent us from being hired by most of the institutions that our

01:18:26.020 accreditations would give us access to yeah in part because we just sort of came out here and

01:18:30.620 we're like i want to you know tell as much as i can tell about the truth of how things are actually

01:18:35.280 functioning to society at this point yeah right like i want to wait we get you uniquely mad when

01:18:41.740 people like try to signal in this way like another person who does this kind of thing is eliezer

01:18:47.120 yudkowski he manipulates signals like moral outrage and this wunderkind branding and gatekeeping and

01:18:52.960 word selection to appear authoritative on various issues despite getting key details or fundamentals

01:18:58.640 wrong like quite frequently so i mean we get things wrong but we try to update and correct

01:19:05.480 when we do i'm like attentive to when fans know like between your genuine mispronunciations and

01:19:12.600 our like jokes and and admitted admission of bumbling and everything i think it's clear we're

01:19:18.300 not like pretending to be super smart we're not gatekeeping like oh like you're just wrong because

01:19:23.260 you're you're uninformed like we don't use a lot of the rhetorical manipulation tactics

01:19:29.300 or semiotic manipulation tactics that these people do which is why this is uniquely irksome for us

01:19:35.220 and one reason why we like vice signaling and rage baiting is it's a way of saying we're not

01:19:40.920 tricking you into believing we're critical, credible to, to like high production quality

01:19:45.900 or gatekeeping language or academic trappings. We make ourselves hateable and weird so that when

01:19:51.480 you take our arguments seriously, you know, it's based on the merits of the arguments rather than

01:19:56.340 any trust in or respect for us. And that's really important. And that's, I mean, I think that's also

01:20:02.260 why people trust and respect ultimately and more fundamentally people like Asmigold and people 0.67

01:20:07.440 like a lot of the vtubers who are like what like i'm you know i'm like some anthropomorphic thing

01:20:12.660 you know like you know you don't have to like this is why performative racism is important and useful

01:20:17.900 in the modern system right you're saying not that he doesn't do it i mean clearly he's very anti

01:20:23.300 jewish right um anti-catholic he might be more anti-catholic than us and that he thinks that

01:20:28.480 the jesuits who control the vatican are one of his illuminati players who want to end the world

01:20:32.840 right i i yeah i'm just really unimpressed i don't think i haven't heard a single interesting

01:20:39.240 idea from him his predictions are not bold like peter zaihan i have problems with like where

01:20:45.460 peter zaihan has gone post this latest trump election he seems to have completely fallen off

01:20:49.840 but he made people who followed him really closely they say it was jan six like apparently he sort

01:20:54.980 of lost his mind after jan six jan six lost his mind but before jan six he made really

01:21:00.220 russia attacking the ukraine was not on a lot of people's bingo cards okay that was on his bingo

01:21:07.480 cards okay he has made impressive predictions all right yeah like actually like the street

01:21:13.320 of hormuz closure right now like and the fact that so much of people's lives have been disrupted by

01:21:17.560 the fact that you know american actions have led to global trade being disrupted and america not

01:21:24.140 being willing to basically maintain global like shipping routes is is something he called in the

01:21:30.400 end of the world is just the beginning he's way more prophetic just you know flaws and all than

01:21:34.560 professor jank for sure yeah and professor jank like i just yeah i hate this whole oh look at all

01:21:41.620 these predictions he's made and it's like tomorrow the sky will be blue it's like that's not a well

01:21:46.160 one thing that jose points out is like okay sure yeah he predicted that trump was going to win the

01:21:53.780 election but he was also like well trump is going to win the election and nikki haley is going to be

01:21:57.460 his vice president and he only like passingly mentions jd vance but not in any serious capacity

01:22:03.100 and this is not only you know makes his his you know full prediction incorrect but also it was it

01:22:09.760 was because that was after the point at which trump had on truth social posted saying i am not

01:22:17.360 going to make vicky nikki haley my vice president she's great but she's not going to be the vp

01:22:22.120 so not only did he predict the wrong thing he also like could have probably made a better guess if he

01:22:28.360 was just a little more informed so can you go to is there anything else you because i remember you

01:22:33.320 you wanted to talk about how he got something wrong before there there's game theory oh my god

01:22:39.760 his game theory getting wrong oh yeah okay let me jump to that because let's see jose made so many

01:22:45.720 if you go to my show notes you can see all the things that jose you can also just watch us be

01:22:50.080 let's see oh yes so jose argues that jeng uses game theory a branding device

01:22:58.120 do you just want to crawl around over here jenna what do you want okay game theory by the way is

01:23:07.020 not impressive or difficult to understand game theory is incredibly simplistic generally speaking

01:23:13.440 in terms of like the greater academic theories that a person may need to grok if somebody is

01:23:18.520 going out and being like i did this was game theory it's like it's like hearing i did this

01:23:23.680 was tic-tac-toe logic well yes but he uses it nevertheless to confer legitimacy on what are

01:23:29.140 essentially stories that he makes on how the world works not actually game theoretic models

01:23:33.600 so not only does he try to use game theory but he's just like game theory it's kind of like when

01:23:39.560 what's his face declares bankruptcy michael scott declares bankruptcy it's like i declare bankruptcy

01:23:45.660 scene has like no understanding of the concept and that's kind of what jang is doing because

01:23:49.500 what what jose points out is that he he gives a dating game example when he talks about game

01:23:55.460 theory starting with five boys and girls and then he quickly spirals into claims that women's status

01:24:00.000 obsession is killing civilization and that women are responsible for creating incels showing the

01:24:05.620 game is just a vehicle for his own views and he constantly lists well hold on those things are

01:24:11.320 kind of true it's important that you call out what's true well those are true but they're not

01:24:16.760 models is no but it's not game theory but it is true it's true but no yeah but if you're doing a 1.00

01:24:24.120 lecture on game theory you can't just be like i'm talking about game theory oh man women are horrible 0.98

01:24:29.400 it's something he constantly lists three factors genes wealth status focus and clarity resolve

01:24:36.900 intelligence crime science but never shows how they're measured or weighed which undercuts the

01:24:42.900 pretense of any sort of formal modeling he just wants to sort of use these as narrative words

01:24:47.220 and then he explicitly downplays math and emphasizes intuition and speculation while

01:24:53.160 telling students that they should make imaginative leaps that are not backed up by any evidence

01:24:57.860 which is the opposite of what a game theory class should encourage

01:25:01.860 it's not about nearly entirely dissociated from game theory i'd say this other guy is overreaching

01:25:08.580 a bit the way people could be modeled with game theory logic right he's just not using any

01:25:15.200 classical game theory modeling that i'm aware of here he appears to be using red pill modeling

01:25:20.640 which is not inaccurate it's just not game theory yeah and jing also just in general has a very big

01:25:29.040 tendency to cherry pick and simplify history to fit his narratives i do that he tries yeah you do

01:25:34.740 he tries to critique science including cosmology and evolution and psychology but then every time

01:25:42.260 he does it reveals a lack of basic understanding but then he uses that ignorance to argue that

01:25:48.540 science is fundamentally flawed a lot of people do that i don't really hold that against him

01:25:53.720 that you i i would if you if you try to use that as some like i'm just saying i need specific

01:26:01.540 examples i have heard specific damning examples these sound like generalities that i'm not going

01:26:05.820 to buy i need a specific example of where he clearly didn't understand a field he was critiquing

01:26:10.500 okay big bang and dark energy he likens dark energy to cheating on a math test writing 1987

01:26:16.320 plus 25 equals 20 plus dark energy suggesting that adding an unknown term is illegitimate

01:26:22.280 and he doesn't actually engage with the actual cosmological evidence and uses his own confusion

01:26:28.040 as proof that the theory is wrong hold on hold on he's not entirely wrong here we do have evidence

01:26:35.580 outside of the big mathematical gap there might be something that we're calling dark energy

01:26:41.220 there is a lot of research on this but i also understand where he's coming from with this

01:26:46.400 this is the person reading him in bad faith that is okay fine

01:26:50.760 i can give more examples yeah give more actually this person is showing me more that they don't

01:26:57.580 understand this he ends up asserting that scientific breakthroughs and his own ideas come

01:27:01.660 from handling a divine source and the secret society convert reality to the site which is

01:27:08.600 just a slight into his layout of secret societies is typically like he basically

01:27:16.240 says functionally it's like they're secret societies in a lot of things right you know um

01:27:21.120 but that's not the same as saying there's actually secret societies he says that all science is about

01:27:26.240 reinventing reality to serve power and that secret societies aim to invert heaven and hell

01:27:31.680 like i don't understand how kind of they do if you take an interpretive approach he thinks that

01:27:37.920 isis was created through u.s torture and brainwashing modeled on ancient egyptian

01:27:42.720 princely rituals malcolm okay that's crazier yes not i mean isis this is where he gets me

01:27:52.000 oh i'm not i'm gonna point out like this is where i pull out and i'm like he talks about how it says

01:27:58.000 isis oh but that is the egyptian god isis well no that's that's not even the name that they use for

01:28:03.960 it in that's what the english people call it like english language yeah they don't but the funny

01:28:08.740 thing about the isis thing is he's like if you understand extremist eschatology you can predict

01:28:13.960 behavior if you understood muslim eschatology isis is the obvious and inevitable result of it

01:28:20.520 like you don't even need to know that much about islamic eschatology to know that isis is the

01:28:25.960 inevitable result at least taken to extremes and yet he's like no this is a mystery where could it

01:28:32.240 have come from must have come from u.s torture rooms it's it's the way he gets things wrong

01:28:37.580 which is so offensive to me yeah well okay then let's go to the different i think school of thought

01:28:44.080 about about professor jeng not in terms of like oh he's wrong he's being a fake professor but

01:28:51.340 instead like okay why does this feel a little fishy in terms of how he's grown and i think 0.87

01:28:56.500 that the most articulate thoughtful person to discuss this who's not like it's just the ccp

01:29:01.100 or it's just botting which i think is not the full story is is summarized by a youtuber called

01:29:06.740 Hidden America, and he basically argues that this feels orchestrated and did this video on Professor

01:29:13.580 Jing titled The Curious Case of Professor Jing, How the Internet Manufactured a Geopolitical Oracle,

01:29:19.560 in which he argues that Jing's public authority was manufactured, that he rose in popularity

01:29:25.120 because his framing fit what platforms and audiences were able to afford, and I think this is very

01:29:30.440 accurate, and he notes that his audience treats him less like a commentator and more like a prophet

01:29:35.880 or interpreter of some hidden reality which definitely is what i see in terms of the way

01:29:40.600 people talk and talk about him and he likens this in turn to cult formation or controlled

01:29:47.400 narrative building which definitely feels kind of right from how like everything

01:29:54.200 centers around this occult powers or occult powers causing western decline narrative that

01:30:01.980 he's pushing i mean i think you could do that with anyone you could do that with us you could

01:30:06.200 do that with so many other people i just think that he's not that bright like that's the bigger

01:30:10.480 problem with all of this right he's he's hacked people's understanding of authority and he uses 0.96

01:30:17.420 that to build narratives that are either obvious or stupid that's the whole problem i have with it 0.76

01:30:24.540 his narratives i i have not heard like if you want something like professor jang that's not us 0.62

01:30:31.160 rubyard rubyard gives interesting orthogonal takes that i don't always agree with but i

01:30:38.880 rarely leave one of his videos without having like five or ten new ideas well and he's very

01:30:44.980 informed when when he talks about something he doesn't get it wrong he talks about it from a

01:30:50.700 place of deeper understanding and knowledge and even when he like goes off on conspiracy theories

01:30:56.880 he's pulling from typically primary sources as close to primary sources as he can yeah keep in

01:31:03.780 mind he's a quaker so obviously he was born evil right so like you can see our video on that we 0.91

01:31:10.380 love him but the point i'm making here is that like i have serious ideological differences with 0.98

01:31:16.660 rubyard but rubyard's mistakes are not stupid mistakes he rarely makes stupid mistakes and

01:31:25.340 that that's where like if and and if you want that's why i'm suggesting rubyard for professor 0.83

01:31:29.620 jang people because he's got all of the mysticism he's got all of the conspiracy brain that jang

01:31:35.460 has he just doesn't make obvious mistakes like saying frankists are still around and he engages

01:31:42.100 in i mean what if all his is essentially predictive history but like actually if you truly really if

01:31:48.280 you genuinely tried to take a crack at predictive history that is what if all his whereas professor

01:31:53.480 jang is like i'm just doing jazz and dressed up like a professor like it's it's it's not it's not

01:32:00.280 as substantive you're gonna learn stuff if you watch what i felt hist it's interesting it's

01:32:05.360 it's genuinely good speculative history and very much like the least bought in person ever he rose

01:32:11.680 to fame when he was in his early 20s maybe even before that right and he is very open like a lot

01:32:18.340 of the fans i know who talk with us have also talked with rubyard at some point like he's very

01:32:22.360 open to talking with fans oh yeah he's a very open person he's accessible he's open he is is

01:32:28.040 humble and there is something a little fishy about professor jeng's dormant youtube channel

01:32:33.480 suddenly going active in 2024 and then growing to 2 million subscribers i don't think it's fishy

01:32:39.120 i know enough people who watch him i know enough midwits who buy this it's true it's true it's true

01:32:44.180 like i i do see a world in which this is just algorithmic growth however china is really extra 0.68

01:32:51.260 with stuff like i recently saw this article about it could be china like clearly the ccp likes this

01:32:57.820 guy clearly he's on their good boy list yeah they have done stuff to grow people in the past well

01:33:03.240 we just did an episode on like chinese spies being throughout universities and they're very like

01:33:09.220 very active in their surveillance of foreign actors within their own state and also very

01:33:14.560 careful about i think foreign actors in other states and it's it's one of those things like

01:33:19.980 their surveillance of foreign actors within their own country reminds me of that adage that like if

01:33:24.860 your partner suddenly becomes super suspicious that you're cheating it's probably because they're

01:33:29.520 cheating and the telegraph recently ran this article titled the secret chinese surveillance

01:33:34.720 program tracking people like me in which their senior foreign correspondent sophia yan describes

01:33:40.540 this dedicated dynamic control platform for foreigners that integrates this their you know

01:33:46.080 the vast surveillance network they have they're like all the cameras many of which have gate

01:33:49.860 recognition to monitor people of interest in very granular real time and journalists and dissidents

01:33:57.360 are explicitly signaled out as as trackable targets on the platform someone leaked the

01:34:02.420 platform to her she felt like was on it very clearly and it allows you to sort of know exactly

01:34:09.620 what what they are who they're meeting with what they're up to it allows security services to see

01:34:14.360 where their foreign citizens are and who they meet and how they move around in cities and what

01:34:19.040 social and professional networks they belong to it allows the security service to see where they

01:34:24.560 are at any given time and they can use it like they can filter by yeah and the point being is 0.82

01:34:31.380 this guy is in china he's living in china he's clearly doing what the ccp wants yeah so i mean

01:34:37.640 just considering like i'll like that i'm just trying to present that as another thing in addition

01:34:41.660 to the like university issue that china does that is like kind of extra so i wouldn't put it past

01:34:47.300 ccp in terms of signal boosting him especially because this further as to your point right it 0.87

01:34:53.300 makes people more pissed about israel it makes people more pessimistic about ai and these are

01:34:59.240 things that are very much it seems to be in in china's more pessimistic about the u.s's economic

01:35:05.240 future totally yeah relative to china right like i a lot of this makes ai companies in the u.s

01:35:11.900 less gated about working with china right like look i obviously even just as a matter of course

01:35:18.400 even if the ccp wasn't boosting him he has to curate everything through ccp lin so he doesn't

01:35:22.460 get it disappeared which like regularly happens to people in china these days you can see our 0.59

01:35:27.700 episode i don't know if you put that episode live on like just how china just disappear you

01:35:32.200 as it has done uh but yeah he i don't like broadly speaking i don't really have any

01:35:37.860 like dislike of him he's not somebody we're like you're way more nice to him than i am

01:35:43.560 where i was nali taleb i'm like this guy knows he's manipulating people he knows he's lying

01:35:50.000 to people nassim taleb or something whatever taleb nonsense he just intentionally manipulating

01:35:58.820 and lying to people there are other commentators where i think that that's what they're doing where

01:36:02.980 they know they are manipulating people or where it's very clear that they are boosting themselves

01:36:09.900 and they're not relevant anymore and they're trying to maintain control over political apparatus

01:36:15.820 in the united states with zhang i don't really get any of that impression from him if he is

01:36:21.900 botted i think it's by the ccp and he's not following their rules because he's botted he's

01:36:28.840 following their rules because he doesn't want to be arrested and he's living in beijing right like

01:36:32.060 he's a group because he presented a type of content and a type of figure that i think the

01:36:37.540 world wanted to see they they wanted respectable candace owens and that's what he presented

01:36:44.020 but the problem is his ideas are like and and this is where i have my one area is that

01:36:51.180 i want to say that i think he's smart enough to know that some of the stuff he's saying is just 0.96

01:36:55.720 dumb but there's a certain level of like normie dumb where like you just it wouldn't catch you 0.99

01:37:03.020 especially if you're a little mysticism brained then you're really screwing up yeah and i mean 1.00

01:37:08.500 there have been instances in which rudyard has gone a little bit too far with his conspiracies

01:37:14.260 and people have been like okay that's a little too far but he's he's walked it back like very

01:37:19.600 very smart people such as him can get can get caught up in some loops that are not very productive

01:37:24.620 but they at least the the smartest ones are able to sort of walk that back a little and they sort

01:37:29.940 of catch themselves i think because he and this is my biggest the thing that i dislike about him

01:37:36.740 because he catches things and things that aren't true and are obviously not true and that you can

01:37:43.000 easily verify aren't true he will say something that the average person will think is more

01:37:50.160 offensive than what we're saying but is actually dramatically less offensive and costly to say

01:37:55.360 than what we're saying so if you go out there and you say a mainstream judaism is controlled 0.99

01:38:02.360 by an antinomial frankish sect a lot of jews are going to be like oh that's like classic stupid 0.98

01:38:11.180 conspiracy whatever right like it's anti-semitic but whatever whereas i come out here and i go 0.96

01:38:17.580 actually if you look at jewish tradition up to the point of the balsham tov his teachings would

01:38:23.200 have been considered a form of spiritual antinomialism and they now dominate the dominant

01:38:30.420 jewish organizations which actually have real political influence in both the united states

01:38:36.520 in israel that may sound a lot less offensive i guarantee you eat it a billion times because

01:38:42.880 people who are actually jewish and involved in these whereas i come out and you kind of understand 0.99

01:38:49.160 why this is offensive because of what i am saying is true oh my god is an antinomial jewish sect 0.99

01:38:56.600 that controls the world that would be really bad for most jews and then a lot of people will be 1.00

01:39:03.400 like no don't say that stuff Malcolm and then I go to them I go yes but you're a Jew you study

01:39:07.640 Jewish history is it true that the Baal Shem Tov's teachings would be considered spiritually

01:39:15.700 antinomial at the time they were laid out and other rabbis at the time the leading rabbis at

01:39:23.680 the time called him and his followers out for this and were deadly afraid of the growth of his

01:39:28.660 movement you'd be like well that is true when i say spiritually antinomial what i mean here is

01:39:36.040 an inversion of earlier practices he didn't actually have a belief in or at least never

01:39:41.560 stated a belief in antinomialism as in an intentional inversion of other practices

01:39:47.260 because you know shabbatai lefeb was still fresh on everyone's mind but i'm just saying

01:39:52.860 functionally were they antinomial in how much they inverted previous jewish teachings around

01:39:58.900 specific topics that's why it's worse because it's true when you are calling out true things

01:40:06.680 it is always more dangerous and more offensive than calling out made-up things

01:40:11.060 anyway love you that's a good point and i love you too and for dinner tonight i'm okay with

01:40:17.560 just doing like fries and the the stuff that you had in the yeah well so i don't know how

01:40:22.620 well they go together but we have two samosas that if we don't eat tonight probably won't be

01:40:26.160 good that's what i said let's do this like samosas and some fries some fried things to go with your

01:40:31.320 fried things the the fries are the samosa basically how about samosa and tomato soup

01:40:36.580 no no i know i know i'm just trying to like if these are the things are going to expire let's

01:40:43.020 try the new fries the tomato soup we will get to i like tomato soup i've been eating tomato soup

01:40:48.860 like every other day i know i know because that's all my dad wanted when he was sick and that's good

01:40:53.420 that i had it right you probably thought i'm being wasteful yeah well and you're not paying for

01:40:57.720 that's i did we did we use the last tomato soup jar is that like open now or is it still sealed

01:41:02.700 the second is i'll have tomato soup sometime over the next few days today i want to do samosas and

01:41:09.560 the new fries because i want to see how those come out okay what this is your cheat day 1.00

01:41:15.820 the baby chicks are a little afraid of the big chicks you see because the big chicks are a lot 1.00

01:41:36.060 bigger. There's a pecking order, my dear. You got to sneak up on them. Can you be sneaky?

01:41:47.700 Okay. I can't. I can't. You can do it. Just be sneaky and patient, okay? Maybe I can help you.

01:41:55.060 We'll see. Aw, thanks for asking them nicely. Let's see what I can do to help.

01:42:06.060 Let's try to pick Mama kiss ! 1.00

Based Camp - May 29, 2026

Analyzing the Theories of Professor Jiang (The Intellectual’s Candace Owens？)

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