Based Camp - Andrew Tate： Our Thoughts

00:00:00.000 I think he doesn't maintain frame.

00:00:01.500 He is the frame.

00:00:02.160 And I do feel like he is a method actor

00:00:03.820 who's had a psychotic break

00:00:04.940 and is now in the fantasy.

00:00:06.680 He is.

00:00:07.300 And like, you can see it.

00:00:08.300 You can see it when he talks.

00:00:09.360 He is 100% genuine.

00:00:11.060 And I think he wakes up in the morning

00:00:12.500 and he growls to himself.

00:00:13.920 Would you like to know more?

00:00:15.080 I want to start this episode.

00:00:17.480 So Andrew Tate did a thing

00:00:19.060 on how all of the world problems could be solved

00:00:21.360 if every man had a sword in his house.

00:00:24.720 And so he has this,

00:00:26.480 honestly, it's a smaller sword than mine

00:00:28.880 that he keeps in his house

00:00:31.180 for one of the examples

00:00:33.760 is if your woman goes out

00:00:35.800 and she learns about something from the news,

00:00:38.500 like some disease is supposed to be killing people

00:00:41.660 and she's all panicked.

00:00:42.760 You just point your sword at her

00:00:44.800 and say, don't be scared, woman.

00:00:47.260 And then we won't have problems anymore.

00:00:50.440 And so we're beginning our Andrew Tate episode

00:00:52.440 by showing this sword that's been in the back.

00:00:54.960 Oh, I got to swing it around like an ultra nerd.

00:00:58.040 Oh no.

00:00:59.400 Yeah.

00:01:00.300 Sorry, I can't actually.

00:01:02.000 You're going to damage some serious lights.

00:01:04.740 Inside and I am a dad,

00:01:07.060 which means that I may have swords in my house,

00:01:10.020 but I'm a nerd because I do it.

00:01:11.620 I'm not mad.

00:01:12.240 In fact, I would argue every man

00:01:13.880 who has swords in their house is just a nerd.

00:01:16.620 Like, I don't know how he thinks

00:01:19.980 that makes him look tough.

00:01:21.220 I think it, the last question I got on this,

00:01:24.280 somebody saw and they go,

00:01:25.000 oh, you must be really into D&D.

00:01:26.600 And I'm like, well, you know,

00:01:28.880 but I don't think that's my takeaway from him.

00:01:32.660 Guarantee you don't walk around your house with a sword

00:01:34.740 because you're not a commander.

00:01:36.040 I'm a commander.

00:01:36.920 You know, like when you command the troops into battle.

00:01:38.760 I guarantee you I do.

00:01:41.980 Sorry, I looked up the video for the sword video

00:01:44.720 and I found this and I just love,

00:01:46.200 he's like, you don't walk around your house with a sword.

00:01:48.640 I'm like, yeah, yeah, actually I do.

00:01:50.340 But I don't,

00:01:51.920 I don't go around doing it feeling like I'm a commander.

00:01:55.300 I understand that walking around your house with a sword

00:01:59.960 as a grown man is a sign of being a nerd.

00:02:03.480 And I accept that about myself.

00:02:05.840 Which actually brings me to a point,

00:02:07.540 which is interesting and important.

00:02:09.540 And it's why we need people like Andrew Tape.

00:02:11.960 So I often go through the comments

00:02:13.820 when I do guest appearances on other podcasts

00:02:15.880 and stuff like that.

00:02:17.140 And there is one type of comment

00:02:18.980 that we just get like really,

00:02:20.660 really regularly in these videos.

00:02:23.380 Especially me when I appear.

00:02:26.080 Which is, look, I love the stuff he's saying,

00:02:29.840 but he just looks like such a poindexter, you know?

00:02:32.680 Or I can't stand his voice.

00:02:34.460 Like he sounds too nerdy.

00:02:36.320 Or, you know, like I like it.

00:02:39.920 Like he's saying important facts that we need to know,

00:02:43.620 but he is like in some way repellent

00:02:47.400 because of how nerdy I appear.

00:02:49.400 And this is actually really interesting

00:02:52.060 because the two places

00:02:53.220 where I've gotten these comments the most,

00:02:55.720 one was when I did an appearance on The Jolly Heretic,

00:02:59.420 where, and then the other was

00:03:00.760 when I did an appearance with Ruby.

00:03:02.800 He's the guy who does What If All Tiss,

00:03:04.300 but he has a separate podcast.

00:03:05.520 Great podcast, recommended.

00:03:07.240 And, you know, we should have him on sometime.

00:03:09.360 But both of these guys are like objectively,

00:03:13.180 significantly nerdier looking than I am.

00:03:15.900 Yes, but you look young and unabashedly enthusiastic,

00:03:24.160 which is to say like you gesticulate,

00:03:26.720 you bring a lot of like character

00:03:29.640 and like goofiness into your mannerisms.

00:03:35.000 I think another thing it could be is I am nerdy,

00:03:37.820 but I am also hot.

00:03:39.000 Like I know I'm hot.

00:03:40.200 And it could be that I represent a nerd

00:03:43.560 who is sexually threatening.

00:03:45.280 Well, but here's the other thing.

00:03:46.300 I mean, who is the other?

00:03:47.900 So most people who are hot and funny and passionate

00:03:52.160 and like physically,

00:03:53.140 like they gesticulate a lot

00:03:54.460 and make a lot of like funny facial expressions,

00:03:58.280 it's the gays, the gays.

00:04:00.900 So that's also why I think you get accusations

00:04:03.180 for being gay is because you're like,

00:04:05.420 you're attractive, but also you're flamboyant

00:04:08.320 and like expressive and humorous and goofy.

00:04:12.340 But that is not an accusation that I get

00:04:14.200 as to why they can't listen to me.

00:04:15.600 And this is really interesting.

00:04:17.040 Yeah, it's the nerd thing.

00:04:18.060 There's a portion of men

00:04:20.180 who genuinely have trouble consuming information

00:04:23.880 from men that they don't see

00:04:26.400 as one within their tribe

00:04:28.440 and too physically superior to them.

00:04:31.220 I think this is why you look at like

00:04:33.540 some of the top like intellectual male influencers right now.

00:04:36.720 And you're looking at people like Chris Williamson.

00:04:39.740 You're looking at people like Joe Rogan.

00:04:42.400 You're looking at people like Andrew Tate.

00:04:45.180 Touché.

00:04:45.520 They genuinely struggle with a man

00:04:50.060 who is in their eyes physically weaker to them

00:04:54.320 being in a dominant position to them.

00:04:57.020 And this is why we need people like Andrew Tate

00:05:00.080 because I can communicate this message

00:05:03.260 as much as I want.

00:05:04.660 But if I communicate it

00:05:06.600 and it's not getting through to people

00:05:08.600 because of whatever this filter is,

00:05:10.900 well, then I need it to,

00:05:12.580 you know, I need some Chris Williamson's

00:05:14.480 or some Andrew Tate's to watch our podcast

00:05:16.360 and regurgitate what I say in other environments.

00:05:20.360 No, it's just true.

00:05:21.800 And you look at the pictures

00:05:23.080 that the no faces are showing

00:05:25.660 within the conservative movement.

00:05:26.740 You know, you look at the pictures

00:05:28.060 that are chosen by people like...

00:05:30.260 By anonymous posters, you're saying?

00:05:32.400 People who do not show their face?

00:05:33.520 Bronze Age pervert?

00:05:34.560 Yeah, Bronze Age pervert.

00:05:35.660 You know, it's like a masculine, manly man, right?

00:05:37.800 You know, it's so guys can interpret this

00:05:42.280 and so we can get through this.

00:05:43.280 But I'd also point out that I'm not the only one

00:05:44.840 who has this.

00:05:46.500 One of my favorite things is that Simone was asked

00:05:50.260 after me to appear on the Transmaxing podcast

00:05:52.380 and they go, you know,

00:05:53.620 I really think it would help with viewership

00:05:55.240 if you could present feminine

00:05:56.760 and like present as a woman.

00:06:00.240 And I love Simone, you're like,

00:06:02.380 I thought I was always presenting as a woman.

00:06:05.280 Like that's like the most underhanded thing

00:06:09.660 like I've ever heard.

00:06:10.860 And I love it because I love how,

00:06:13.140 you know, sort of masculine you've become

00:06:15.600 through this relationship.

00:06:18.320 And see, I've got my sword here.

00:06:19.320 So everyone knows I can defend myself.

00:06:21.580 I don't think swords equal defense.

00:06:22.940 But no, so I really want to get to Andrew Tate

00:06:25.840 because I think that one,

00:06:27.480 he does help distribute important parts

00:06:29.560 of a message that people need to hear.

00:06:31.600 And two, I think that it is very easy

00:06:34.980 to underestimate his intelligence.

00:06:37.980 If you would look at just the clips

00:06:40.360 that people use to attack him,

00:06:43.660 you can look at him and think

00:06:44.680 this guy is a bit of a dullard, right?

00:06:47.280 But if you look at his holistic content,

00:06:49.760 what you realize is he is baiting them

00:06:52.280 intentionally with those clips.

00:06:54.260 He is actually a fairly high processing human being

00:06:57.880 in terms of like, I'd say-

00:07:00.020 He's a member of Mensa.

00:07:01.380 I mean, he's a certified like-

00:07:03.380 Oh, is he?

00:07:03.940 Yeah, I was going to say,

00:07:04.660 like if I just look at his content,

00:07:06.040 I can tell that he's much like,

00:07:07.440 just like biologically smarter

00:07:09.020 than somebody like Eliezer Yukowski.

00:07:11.940 Like he is actually an intellectual powerhouse.

00:07:14.640 And keep in mind,

00:07:15.580 if you look at our model of intelligence,

00:07:17.120 have you succeeded in multiple different domains

00:07:20.220 that weren't that tied to each other?

00:07:21.780 I would say, yes, he succeeded as an influencer

00:07:23.720 and he succeeded as a business person

00:07:25.560 and he succeeded as a kickboxer.

00:07:27.640 And he comes from a smart family.

00:07:29.840 Like, should it be surprising, right?

00:07:32.040 Like, but I first,

00:07:33.580 I want people to not discount him.

00:07:35.420 But then we need to talk about

00:07:36.480 like where we're different from him

00:07:38.100 because this also gets interesting.

00:07:39.260 You know, if we're doing a video on him,

00:07:40.340 we're not going to do a video sucking his dick, right?

00:07:42.480 Like, but also I want to point out here

00:07:45.200 because this is something a lot of people

00:07:46.580 haven't contextualized about the Andrew Tate story.

00:07:50.200 Andrew Tate made his initial money

00:07:51.780 the same way Ayla made her initial money,

00:07:53.640 which is pretending to suck guys' dicks online.

00:07:56.140 So if you look in his own words,

00:07:59.240 the way Andrew Tate,

00:08:00.540 so we had this moment where he had lost all this money.

00:08:02.600 I think he was in debt to some people

00:08:03.940 and he's like, oh shit, what am I going to do?

00:08:06.140 And so he got his girlfriend

00:08:07.880 because he's like, that's my asset, right?

00:08:09.640 And I'm going to use them to go online

00:08:12.800 and chat up guys, right?

00:08:14.840 And then what he realized

00:08:16.480 is the most efficient way to do this

00:08:19.380 was for him to have the girls

00:08:21.160 act as the face of the conversation

00:08:22.980 and pretend to be typing.

00:08:24.680 But he would be the one

00:08:26.300 actually chatting with the guys

00:08:27.660 because he understood the male brain better.

00:08:30.420 Like from us, no,

00:08:32.900 I actually think way to hustle, man.

00:08:34.920 Like Hustlers University,

00:08:36.480 now this is a hustle.

00:08:38.020 Just give me a chance.

00:08:40.160 All right.

00:08:45.760 I'll trust you.

00:08:47.760 But only if you

00:08:48.900 will perform oral sex on me.

00:08:54.260 What?

00:08:55.160 Right here.

00:08:56.200 Right now.

00:08:59.580 You can't be serious.

00:09:01.380 Oh, I am serious.

00:09:03.160 Okay, let's do it.

00:09:05.720 Here we go.

00:09:07.880 And go.

00:09:10.160 You are dedicated.

00:09:23.640 But functionally,

00:09:25.800 it means that Andrew Tate

00:09:26.740 got his business start

00:09:27.920 by pretending to suck off guys online

00:09:30.820 and calling them daddy

00:09:31.920 and, you know,

00:09:33.420 you know,

00:09:34.600 stuff that I don't think

00:09:35.460 is congruent with his current image.

00:09:37.980 But if anything,

00:09:39.120 it makes me respect him more

00:09:41.020 because it shows

00:09:42.160 that when it comes to the hustle,

00:09:44.000 there is nothing

00:09:45.180 that he won't sacrifice

00:09:46.660 to get it done.

00:09:47.460 We're doing this without you.

00:09:48.960 Now, hold on, team.

00:09:50.280 Gary has already proven to me

00:09:51.740 that he is 100% committed to the team.

00:09:54.040 He proved it last night

00:09:55.200 by sucking my cock.

00:10:01.260 All right.

00:10:02.080 Come on, team.

00:10:02.680 We got to find that stage.

00:10:03.760 I think a big part of his narrative

00:10:05.340 is that he is better than most people,

00:10:08.940 that most men indeed are very pathetic,

00:10:11.060 that they are slaves in this modern world,

00:10:13.300 that they are worse than him,

00:10:14.740 they're uglier than him,

00:10:15.540 they're weaker than him,

00:10:16.160 they're shorter than him,

00:10:16.840 they're poorer than him,

00:10:18.200 they're dumber than him.

00:10:19.320 And he has very little respect for them.

00:10:21.380 He, you know,

00:10:22.540 he says he's never,

00:10:25.620 you know,

00:10:25.880 he doesn't use supplements,

00:10:26.780 he doesn't eat healthy food,

00:10:27.820 he doesn't, you know,

00:10:28.640 he drinks.

00:10:28.920 But he sells supplements

00:10:34.180 because I think he,

00:10:35.220 you know,

00:10:35.300 to a great extent,

00:10:36.140 and his,

00:10:36.980 I think many of his consumers

00:10:38.120 kind of like this,

00:10:39.240 that like he doesn't respect them

00:10:40.540 because they're so pathetic

00:10:41.400 and they want to be awful like him,

00:10:42.880 but they know they have to like earn it.

00:10:44.460 He's very open to people

00:10:45.740 that you can become like me.

00:10:47.360 No, no, no.

00:10:47.640 Yes, that you can.

00:10:48.340 But, but, but until you,

00:10:49.560 until you were trying

00:10:50.400 and until you acknowledge

00:10:51.280 that he is better and smarter

00:10:52.460 and everything else,

00:10:53.420 he will happily exploit you

00:10:55.100 and happily think that you're pathetic.

00:10:56.980 And, and that's,

00:10:57.820 he's not shy about that.

00:10:59.140 So I don't know

00:10:59.660 if that's incongruous.

00:11:00.960 I don't, I don't think

00:11:01.860 that him exploiting

00:11:02.780 male weakness.

00:11:05.020 But the point I'm making

00:11:05.880 is I want to be clear

00:11:06.680 that we're going to be positive on him.

00:11:08.940 But if, if you look at this video,

00:11:11.540 you know,

00:11:11.780 we are also not filtering

00:11:13.260 because we're talking about Andrew Tate.

00:11:15.120 We are trying to give

00:11:16.160 a whole honest perspective

00:11:17.740 on who he is.

00:11:19.720 And, and there's some stuff

00:11:21.660 that is very incongruous

00:11:22.900 with the image that he does sell.

00:11:24.540 So one of the things I can say,

00:11:26.380 and I've mentioned this

00:11:27.400 on previous episodes

00:11:28.380 and I'm going to put

00:11:29.180 on the screen here,

00:11:30.320 a picture which will show

00:11:31.640 because my background

00:11:32.400 is in biology,

00:11:33.160 like human biology.

00:11:33.960 It's something that I'd be

00:11:34.720 really attuned to.

00:11:35.940 You can tell how much testosterone

00:11:37.740 someone was exposed to

00:11:39.120 in their developmental period

00:11:40.320 and the developmental period

00:11:41.140 of their bone structure,

00:11:42.140 et cetera,

00:11:42.960 by looking at their facial structures.

00:11:44.540 It's very, very obvious.

00:11:46.400 He is almost the human cliche

00:11:49.340 of someone who was exposed

00:11:50.920 to very, very little testosterone.

00:11:53.920 And that's fine.

00:11:54.840 That's not a problem.

00:11:55.740 The reason why we point this out

00:11:58.020 is because it's important

00:12:00.460 for people to know

00:12:01.580 that he has achieved

00:12:03.320 the status that he has achieved

00:12:05.320 as this, you know,

00:12:06.780 ultra-masculine, muscular male

00:12:08.400 with all of the odds

00:12:10.260 stacked against him.

00:12:11.740 I think if you look at the narrative

00:12:13.540 that he portrays to people,

00:12:15.100 people might think

00:12:15.820 that he was just born

00:12:17.260 different or better.

00:12:19.920 When, if anything,

00:12:20.720 he was born on a significant back foot

00:12:23.340 compared to the average male.

00:12:24.860 And what this means

00:12:26.960 is that if you put in

00:12:28.340 the persistence

00:12:28.880 he has put in,

00:12:30.780 if his lifestyle

00:12:32.780 is something that is appealing to you,

00:12:34.480 it can be achieved

00:12:35.940 for almost any male.

00:12:37.800 But what you said,

00:12:38.720 you need to explain

00:12:39.440 that it appears

00:12:40.340 that he was exposed,

00:12:41.640 that his testosterone levels

00:12:42.880 were not extremely high

00:12:44.300 throughout his youth

00:12:45.420 because he has,

00:12:46.980 he doesn't show

00:12:47.700 the physiological signs

00:12:49.080 that are common with that,

00:12:49.960 which you see

00:12:50.440 among hairline and jawline.

00:12:51.640 I hear what you're saying.

00:12:53.420 I'm going to post pictures

00:12:54.900 so guys can see.

00:12:56.020 But people don't necessarily know

00:12:57.420 that that's the sign

00:12:58.360 of testosterone.

00:12:59.460 It will be very obvious

00:13:00.720 if you look at the pictures.

00:13:01.960 And I saw some people,

00:13:03.140 when I pointed this out

00:13:04.120 in the past,

00:13:04.860 there's like,

00:13:05.240 there's other things

00:13:06.420 that could cause

00:13:07.520 this facial structure.

00:13:09.100 They're like,

00:13:09.500 it could be that he had

00:13:10.640 very poor nutrition growing up

00:13:12.380 and he grew up incredibly poor.

00:13:14.040 But Andrew Tate

00:13:14.940 did not grow up

00:13:15.980 in destitute poverty.

00:13:17.140 So no,

00:13:17.920 it wasn't a nutritional issue.

00:13:19.280 So I was recently listening

00:13:21.580 to a podcast he did

00:13:22.980 like earlier this summer

00:13:24.260 with his brother

00:13:24.940 where the YouTuber

00:13:26.980 More Plates,

00:13:27.760 More Dates

00:13:28.100 actually did a detailed analysis

00:13:29.980 of like how he might be

00:13:33.040 using steroids

00:13:34.980 or testosterone

00:13:35.980 or, you know,

00:13:37.140 how he's not

00:13:37.620 because he had posted

00:13:38.680 his blood work online

00:13:40.520 to prove that he didn't

00:13:42.020 because he finds it

00:13:43.320 very offensive

00:13:43.920 that the world would believe

00:13:45.640 that he uses

00:13:47.120 any form of supplementation

00:13:48.400 to make himself

00:13:49.160 more masculine.

00:13:50.940 What his initial blood work

00:13:52.340 did reveal

00:13:53.040 was that his overall

00:13:54.500 testosterone levels

00:13:55.480 were very normal,

00:13:57.200 which somewhat fits

00:13:58.060 with what you're saying.

00:13:58.920 But his free testosterone levels

00:14:00.280 were very high,

00:14:01.700 which he argued

00:14:03.060 is a product of his lifestyle,

00:14:04.420 which I totally agree

00:14:05.380 is a product of his lifestyle

00:14:06.760 because of the way he lives.

00:14:07.800 He lives with,

00:14:08.520 you know,

00:14:09.260 two other men

00:14:09.940 in a very competitive environment,

00:14:11.260 you know,

00:14:11.360 his brother and his cousin.

00:14:12.680 There's all these women around him.

00:14:13.920 He's not exclusively

00:14:14.880 with his female partners.

00:14:15.640 High testosterone.

00:14:16.900 Yeah, high free testosterone.

00:14:18.060 But again,

00:14:18.560 what his blood work showed

00:14:19.620 was that he does not show

00:14:20.720 higher overall

00:14:21.740 total levels of testosterone,

00:14:23.500 meaning that,

00:14:24.380 like you say,

00:14:25.340 he's not someone

00:14:26.180 who throughout his life

00:14:27.620 was just like born

00:14:28.840 with insane levels

00:14:29.840 of testosterone.

00:14:31.180 But I think that this is important

00:14:32.560 to understand his story.

00:14:34.440 So first,

00:14:35.220 I want to expand

00:14:35.840 on what someone

00:14:36.420 was saying there

00:14:37.020 because it might not be

00:14:37.740 immediately obvious

00:14:38.440 to the audience,

00:14:39.000 but it's obvious

00:14:39.400 that someone was like

00:14:39.980 biological training.

00:14:40.980 So if you are sleeping

00:14:42.220 with a lot of women,

00:14:43.400 it actually increases

00:14:44.520 your level of testosterone.

00:14:45.880 If you feel like

00:14:47.120 you are like a boss guy,

00:14:48.760 like you're in charge

00:14:49.880 of everyone,

00:14:50.260 like if you're a boss

00:14:50.760 versus unemployed,

00:14:51.560 like unemployed people

00:14:52.180 have lower testosterone

00:14:52.960 than non-unemployed people.

00:14:54.340 If you are in an environment

00:14:55.400 with competitive males,

00:14:56.340 this also increases

00:14:57.040 your testosterone.

00:14:58.180 Everything he's doing

00:14:59.240 right now in his life

00:15:00.040 would increase

00:15:00.720 his exogenous level,

00:15:01.800 like it would increase

00:15:02.620 his endogenous level

00:15:04.080 of testosterone

00:15:04.580 without him needing

00:15:05.720 to take supplements.

00:15:06.900 The important thing to note,

00:15:09.100 because this is part

00:15:09.800 of his narrative

00:15:10.440 and it actually makes him

00:15:11.660 more impressive

00:15:12.660 that this is the case

00:15:13.720 is that he naturally

00:15:16.000 does not have high levels

00:15:17.100 of testosterone.

00:15:18.540 And when he was growing up,

00:15:20.280 when his brain was forming,

00:15:21.620 when he was beginning

00:15:22.300 to understand the world,

00:15:23.880 he did not have

00:15:24.460 high testosterone levels.

00:15:25.960 And I think that

00:15:27.240 this is really fascinating

00:15:28.520 because if you contrast

00:15:29.720 me with him,

00:15:30.600 like you look at my bone structure,

00:15:31.940 and it's very important

00:15:32.660 to note that yes,

00:15:35.040 so Andrew Tate did grow up poor,

00:15:36.440 but he grew up in England,

00:15:37.500 right?

00:15:37.900 He grew up in an environment

00:15:39.600 where he was not that poor

00:15:41.100 and in England.

00:15:42.200 So no,

00:15:42.760 it was not a lack of nutrients

00:15:44.280 that led to his bone structure.

00:15:46.300 He,

00:15:46.640 you can tell,

00:15:47.680 he grew up as a guy

00:15:48.880 with naturally low testosterone

00:15:50.480 who through his hard work

00:15:52.940 and effort

00:15:54.080 became a guy

00:15:55.340 with high testosterone.

00:15:56.600 But I think

00:15:57.400 in some of this stuff,

00:15:58.860 like he has this belief

00:15:59.800 that he's just so innately great

00:16:01.760 that he sells

00:16:02.940 and that's part

00:16:03.600 of this simplistic message

00:16:04.920 that people can underestimate

00:16:06.600 the true arc

00:16:08.940 of what he went through,

00:16:10.060 which is also very interesting

00:16:11.580 if you contrast it with my arc.

00:16:12.920 If you look at my bone structure,

00:16:14.100 I'm almost the epitome

00:16:15.520 of as high testosterone

00:16:17.720 as a male can be.

00:16:18.920 Like I hide it

00:16:20.140 with these glasses,

00:16:21.600 but if you're like,

00:16:22.980 look at my forehead and profile,

00:16:24.880 I look like a freaking Cro-Magnon.

00:16:26.840 If you look at my bone structure,

00:16:28.780 my high cheekbones,

00:16:29.580 all of that,

00:16:30.200 I look like my very defined jaw.

00:16:32.480 I look like the epitome

00:16:33.980 of somebody who grew up

00:16:35.320 with very high testosterone.

00:16:36.620 But I admit openly

00:16:37.880 on this podcast regularly,

00:16:39.440 I have very low testosterone.

00:16:40.840 Now, I haven't gotten it tested,

00:16:41.860 but I'm sure I do.

00:16:43.060 Lifestyle-wise.

00:16:43.840 Because I'm in a long-term

00:16:44.180 monogamous relationship.

00:16:45.480 You've kids.

00:16:45.700 And I have lots of kids

00:16:46.820 who I pay a large role

00:16:48.380 in nurturing.

00:16:49.660 And all of those things

00:16:51.320 lead to much lower

00:16:52.320 testosterone rates.

00:16:53.120 And I can feel it.

00:16:53.920 I can feel it in terms

00:16:54.940 of my libido.

00:16:55.960 And I like this.

00:16:57.060 I assume that.

00:16:57.300 So you and Tate are like

00:16:58.180 the inverse,

00:16:58.960 which is really interesting.

00:17:00.500 Although you and Tate

00:17:01.580 are so similar in many ways too.

00:17:03.040 Like you're both extremely smart.

00:17:04.180 You both are very extra.

00:17:06.660 Like you're both extremely

00:17:07.840 genuine in yourselves.

00:17:08.980 And you're confident

00:17:09.700 in yourselves.

00:17:10.500 And you just love,

00:17:11.660 you love being you.

00:17:12.500 Both of you love being you.

00:17:14.020 Well, he's smarter.

00:17:15.600 So let's talk about

00:17:16.420 how he approached religion.

00:17:17.620 Because I think

00:17:17.940 this is very interesting.

00:17:19.100 And it gives you

00:17:19.820 an understanding

00:17:20.240 of how he thinks.

00:17:21.400 So you can look at

00:17:22.300 how we approached religion.

00:17:23.740 Well, like we're like,

00:17:24.320 okay, well,

00:17:25.620 how do we create a religion

00:17:27.020 that can intergenerationally

00:17:28.360 survive and thrive

00:17:29.440 in a technological environment?

00:17:31.140 If you look at the videos

00:17:32.200 explaining why he converted

00:17:33.940 to Islam

00:17:34.960 vis-a-vis growing up Christian,

00:17:37.360 he said Islam

00:17:38.680 does a better job

00:17:39.980 of enforcing

00:17:40.840 their value system

00:17:41.800 on populations

00:17:42.600 that they control

00:17:43.700 that Christians

00:17:44.800 and Christian countries

00:17:45.880 aren't even Christian anymore.

00:17:47.720 That you can live

00:17:48.280 in a Christian country

00:17:49.060 and people can mock God

00:17:50.120 and people won't follow

00:17:51.000 the value system.

00:17:51.740 But intergenerationally,

00:17:53.320 Islam is very good

00:17:55.940 at enforcing

00:17:56.660 its value system.

00:17:57.560 And that actually

00:17:59.300 almost fits

00:18:00.080 within the framework

00:18:00.880 that we put out

00:18:01.460 in The Pragmatist Guide to Life

00:18:02.520 as a reasonable reason

00:18:03.960 to convert to a religion.

00:18:05.620 Another thing I really

00:18:06.480 wanted to point out

00:18:07.380 about the family structure

00:18:09.440 he is creating

00:18:10.340 is how inventive it is.

00:18:13.480 If you look at the feud

00:18:15.440 that he and his brother

00:18:16.660 have been having

00:18:17.260 with Ben Shapiro,

00:18:18.820 I really like that

00:18:19.800 one of the ways

00:18:20.640 that they have been

00:18:21.440 exerting their superiority

00:18:22.900 to Ben Shapiro

00:18:23.840 is that they have

00:18:24.700 more kids than him.

00:18:26.400 Which is one

00:18:27.040 just such a pro-natalist

00:18:28.280 framework for viewing reality.

00:18:30.560 And the way

00:18:31.840 that they have had

00:18:32.640 these kids

00:18:33.180 is in a family

00:18:34.100 where he and his brother

00:18:35.400 and all of their

00:18:36.600 partners

00:18:37.720 live in the same house

00:18:40.120 and are,

00:18:40.900 I guess,

00:18:41.580 breeding with the same woman.

00:18:43.840 Which is interesting

00:18:45.580 that many of their followers

00:18:46.860 would like

00:18:47.960 chastise other people

00:18:49.440 for being polyamorous

00:18:50.820 when that's technically

00:18:52.560 what this relationship is.

00:18:55.020 And it is a really

00:18:56.120 creative use

00:18:57.180 of polyamory

00:18:58.040 that is in many ways

00:18:59.520 much more traditional

00:19:00.720 than many of the forms

00:19:03.100 of monogamous

00:19:04.560 relationship

00:19:05.460 being practiced today.

00:19:06.620 His family represents

00:19:08.240 almost the perfect

00:19:09.520 iteration of what

00:19:10.460 we are promoting

00:19:11.960 and preaching

00:19:12.500 when we are talking

00:19:13.240 about pernatalism.

00:19:14.400 Which is attempting

00:19:15.480 totally new

00:19:17.680 family structures

00:19:18.700 inspired by tradition

00:19:20.500 that may be able

00:19:22.100 to weather

00:19:22.780 this cultural virus

00:19:25.100 that we are facing

00:19:26.060 right now

00:19:26.600 which is erasing

00:19:28.080 so many traditional

00:19:29.120 ways of doing things.

00:19:30.480 And it was a very

00:19:31.060 intentionally constructed

00:19:32.280 family structure

00:19:33.000 and a plausibly

00:19:34.780 stable family structure

00:19:36.060 which I hope

00:19:37.380 continues to exist

00:19:38.700 and one day

00:19:39.380 my descendants

00:19:40.020 can partner with.

00:19:41.040 Now why wouldn't

00:19:41.920 we convert to Islam?

00:19:43.780 Because culturally

00:19:44.760 we are so different

00:19:45.620 from it.

00:19:46.240 But, and this is

00:19:47.200 really important

00:19:47.780 with Andrew Tate,

00:19:48.980 the big areas

00:19:50.020 where we're different

00:19:50.700 from Andrew Tate

00:19:51.600 mostly have to do

00:19:54.200 with cultural differences.

00:19:57.280 Cultural differences

00:19:58.240 around our relation

00:19:59.480 to women,

00:20:00.480 cultural differences

00:20:01.340 around our relation

00:20:02.640 to ourselves,

00:20:03.700 our relation to other

00:20:04.640 people in our environment.

00:20:06.400 And so this is something

00:20:07.040 like a lot of people

00:20:07.880 they'd look and they'd be like

00:20:08.620 oh you must hate

00:20:09.360 the way Andrew Tate

00:20:11.080 talks about women.

00:20:12.860 And I'm like

00:20:13.180 no I don't,

00:20:13.660 not at all.

00:20:14.240 In fact I would say

00:20:15.800 within many cultural groups

00:20:17.600 and within many

00:20:18.300 Muslim cultural groups

00:20:19.240 and I think it's another

00:20:19.880 reason why,

00:20:20.720 I mean he doesn't

00:20:21.060 mention this

00:20:21.500 but why he converted

00:20:22.300 is the way

00:20:23.900 that he relates

00:20:25.000 to women

00:20:25.440 and other people

00:20:26.280 in his life

00:20:27.300 is very much

00:20:28.680 the way

00:20:29.280 some Muslim

00:20:30.100 cultural groups

00:20:30.900 do

00:20:31.360 and that is

00:20:32.460 nothing to denigrate.

00:20:33.920 That is just

00:20:34.540 what works

00:20:35.100 for their culture.

00:20:36.460 However,

00:20:36.960 and people can be like

00:20:37.580 well then why

00:20:37.980 wouldn't you want that?

00:20:38.800 Like why wouldn't

00:20:39.400 you want your wife

00:20:40.540 serving you hand and foot?

00:20:41.400 Why wouldn't you

00:20:41.880 choose a culture

00:20:42.680 like that?

00:20:43.740 One,

00:20:44.240 I find that

00:20:44.980 incredibly unattractive.

00:20:46.420 Just naturally

00:20:47.240 it might be due

00:20:47.920 to my upbringing,

00:20:48.680 it might be due

00:20:49.100 to who I am

00:20:49.840 but like the idea

00:20:51.600 that my wife

00:20:53.760 treated me that way

00:20:55.380 or treated other men

00:20:56.920 that way in the past

00:20:57.760 I would find repulsive.

00:20:59.580 In fact,

00:21:00.320 I would find a woman

00:21:01.060 who slept with a guy

00:21:01.860 like that.

00:21:02.200 When we talk about

00:21:02.760 body count,

00:21:03.760 like sleeping with one guy

00:21:05.220 who treats a woman

00:21:05.900 that way

00:21:06.340 is worth like 50

00:21:07.420 in a body count to me.

00:21:08.480 It makes a woman

00:21:09.700 like immediately disgusting

00:21:11.180 because it shows

00:21:12.300 that she has a

00:21:13.660 genetic predilection

00:21:14.980 to be willing

00:21:15.940 to do that

00:21:16.780 and that is something

00:21:17.980 that I would find

00:21:18.560 disgusting in my daughters

00:21:19.580 and I think that this

00:21:20.200 is really important.

00:21:21.320 When people fantasize

00:21:22.440 about the way

00:21:23.160 they want their wives

00:21:24.220 to treat them

00:21:25.380 and the role

00:21:26.000 they want to have

00:21:26.580 vis-a-vis their wives,

00:21:28.340 they're also thinking

00:21:29.640 from a cultural perspective,

00:21:31.400 what do I want

00:21:32.440 my daughters

00:21:33.220 to want in a man?

00:21:35.260 Well,

00:21:35.420 they should be thinking that.

00:21:36.400 From a cultural perspective,

00:21:37.380 I would be disgusted

00:21:39.240 if one of my daughters

00:21:40.920 was in a relationship

00:21:42.100 where the man

00:21:43.040 treated her

00:21:43.680 the way Andrew Tate

00:21:44.600 claims to treat

00:21:45.340 the women who he's with.

00:21:46.940 That said,

00:21:48.900 Andrew Tate

00:21:49.720 wouldn't feel that way

00:21:51.140 and that's fine.

00:21:53.160 These are different

00:21:54.000 cultural optimizations

00:21:55.420 and different

00:21:56.580 cultural perspectives

00:21:57.880 and we can live

00:21:59.500 in a conservative ecosystem

00:22:00.940 where both of these

00:22:02.440 value systems

00:22:03.280 can exist side by side

00:22:04.960 and understand

00:22:05.920 that we are fighting

00:22:07.040 what he calls

00:22:07.880 the matrix,

00:22:08.580 what we call

00:22:09.000 the virus,

00:22:09.960 against the same thing.

00:22:12.320 Do you think

00:22:13.160 that he would

00:22:13.660 feel differently

00:22:14.960 about women

00:22:15.520 if he had a daughter?

00:22:17.620 No, I don't.

00:22:18.800 I think he would

00:22:19.380 want his daughter

00:22:19.980 to have a strong man

00:22:21.280 who treated her sternly

00:22:22.940 and he would teach her

00:22:24.280 how to accept orders

00:22:25.340 from that type

00:22:25.980 of strong man.

00:22:26.960 I think,

00:22:27.860 absolutely I do.

00:22:29.800 I think that you

00:22:30.560 are underestimating

00:22:31.400 how much he believes

00:22:32.360 what he said.

00:22:32.740 You know,

00:22:32.920 you said something

00:22:33.400 really interesting

00:22:34.120 about Andrew Tate

00:22:34.760 which I think

00:22:35.160 is sort of true

00:22:36.060 because I don't know

00:22:37.320 if he was always this way.

00:22:38.400 You described him

00:22:39.380 during one of our

00:22:40.320 morning walks

00:22:40.920 as a method actor

00:22:42.320 who sort of got lost

00:22:43.600 in the role

00:22:44.240 and then became like crazy

00:22:46.120 and believed he was

00:22:47.460 the character

00:22:47.940 that he was playing.

00:22:49.100 Can you speak a little bit

00:22:50.120 to that?

00:22:51.160 Well, you can see it.

00:22:51.940 I mean, he,

00:22:52.900 I think it was in the context

00:22:54.100 of us talking about

00:22:55.100 like if he ever gets tired

00:22:56.760 of the way he lives

00:22:57.860 or it's not sustainable

00:22:58.920 for him.

00:22:59.320 But I just don't like,

00:23:00.740 I think he doesn't

00:23:01.600 maintain frame.

00:23:02.220 He is the frame

00:23:02.760 and I do feel like

00:23:03.660 he is a method actor

00:23:04.520 who's had a psychotic break

00:23:05.660 and is now in the fantasy.

00:23:07.380 He is.

00:23:08.020 And like, you can see it.

00:23:09.000 You can see it when he talks.

00:23:10.060 He is 100% genuine

00:23:11.340 and I think he wakes up

00:23:12.880 in the morning

00:23:13.220 and he growls to himself

00:23:14.340 and does his, you know,

00:23:15.540 90 minute workout

00:23:16.140 and does this whole thing

00:23:17.420 and like none of it,

00:23:18.420 none of it is disingenuous.

00:23:19.520 It is 100% him.

00:23:20.580 That is like, you know,

00:23:21.980 he ends up in some kind

00:23:22.920 of refugee camp.

00:23:23.680 He ends up in jail.

00:23:24.340 He's going to be the same

00:23:25.460 and that's just who he is.

00:23:27.760 No, I think you're right.

00:23:28.860 He is somebody

00:23:29.600 who is 100% who he is.

00:23:31.440 He's the real deal.

00:23:32.160 Yeah.

00:23:32.540 But there's some things

00:23:33.840 that I want to talk about

00:23:35.180 with him,

00:23:35.420 which I think

00:23:35.700 is pretty interesting.

00:23:37.180 One was,

00:23:38.240 so I've listened

00:23:38.720 to a lot of his videos

00:23:39.680 and a common thing

00:23:41.080 across some of them

00:23:42.260 is the belief

00:23:43.820 in a conspiracy

00:23:45.000 that has active players

00:23:47.620 that is targeting him

00:23:49.680 or targeting Mitt.

00:23:51.920 So an example of this can be

00:23:54.460 buildings are ugly now

00:23:56.660 because they don't want you

00:23:57.600 to have an attraction

00:23:58.620 to the space

00:23:59.480 that you live in

00:24:00.540 and because of that,

00:24:02.420 you're easier

00:24:03.020 to not defend

00:24:04.140 where you live

00:24:04.960 and not have pride

00:24:05.940 in where you live

00:24:06.760 or defend your cultural traditions.

00:24:08.820 Or another one would be

00:24:10.200 the reason why the world

00:24:11.480 is so out to get him

00:24:12.640 is like he's a boss

00:24:13.900 and he wouldn't want people

00:24:15.400 telling his employees,

00:24:17.040 like he wouldn't want

00:24:17.440 one of his employees

00:24:18.160 telling the other ones

00:24:18.900 to revolt against their boss.

00:24:20.200 So like, of course,

00:24:21.340 the boss of the world,

00:24:22.400 the people who secretly

00:24:23.020 run the world

00:24:23.480 are against him.

00:24:24.260 And both of these believe

00:24:25.640 in these sort of like

00:24:26.340 active agents

00:24:27.380 who are controlling the society

00:24:29.400 where if you look at us

00:24:30.380 and again,

00:24:30.680 I'm focusing on

00:24:31.280 where we're different

00:24:31.860 in our philosophies

00:24:32.640 because that's what's

00:24:33.400 interesting to talk about.

00:24:34.240 It's not interesting

00:24:34.680 to talk about all the things

00:24:35.500 I like about his philosophy.

00:24:36.760 I mean,

00:24:36.980 obviously,

00:24:37.700 he says a lot of things

00:24:38.760 that I think break

00:24:39.400 through the filter

00:24:40.020 and I think everyone

00:24:40.700 who breaks through the filter

00:24:41.560 sees many of the same things.

00:24:43.680 But you would say,

00:24:45.600 like if you're like,

00:24:46.180 why are buildings ugly now?

00:24:47.540 Simone, I think you would say

00:24:49.060 it's due to supply lines.

00:24:50.380 It's due to construction techniques.

00:24:51.820 Yeah, yeah.

00:24:52.220 It's due to what sells well,

00:24:54.380 what is easy to construct.

00:24:56.020 That's it.

00:24:57.080 Yes, due to economic concerns.

00:24:58.160 I mean, the reason religious buildings

00:24:59.380 were beautiful in the past

00:25:00.580 is because they were constructed

00:25:03.200 differently from everything else

00:25:04.460 in their area.

00:25:05.200 Well, and they were often funded

00:25:06.520 by the most wealthy people

00:25:08.200 in the city

00:25:08.760 who knew that the building

00:25:10.240 represented them

00:25:11.080 and they had a reputation

00:25:12.180 to maintain.

00:25:12.980 That is not how it's done now.

00:25:14.400 But they also weren't torn down.

00:25:16.080 Yeah.

00:25:16.540 Which is important to know,

00:25:17.680 whereas all of the

00:25:18.620 samey townhouses

00:25:19.540 were torn down.

00:25:21.140 You know,

00:25:21.400 so we can look at

00:25:22.500 some of the same things

00:25:23.300 that he does.

00:25:24.100 And this is one thing,

00:25:25.280 I would have a criticism with him

00:25:26.480 is this level of projecting

00:25:29.140 the belief of like

00:25:30.780 the single people

00:25:31.640 who control everything

00:25:32.720 has a certain level

00:25:34.560 of self-victimization to it.

00:25:37.080 Like you could say

00:25:38.620 he is the warrior

00:25:39.880 fighting against the world

00:25:41.660 or you could say

00:25:42.780 he is the victim

00:25:43.700 of everybody

00:25:44.660 piling on top of him.

00:25:46.120 And I think that

00:25:47.700 he presents

00:25:48.540 a very interesting thing,

00:25:50.020 which is even

00:25:51.540 even if you

00:25:52.460 persistently

00:25:53.400 self-victimize yourself

00:25:54.880 as I believe he does

00:25:56.260 portraying himself

00:25:56.900 as the victim

00:25:57.480 in this global conflict

00:25:58.920 where he's the one voice

00:26:00.660 standing up

00:26:01.200 and telling the truth

00:26:01.820 and everyone's attacking him.

00:26:02.920 He doesn't perceive

00:26:04.380 this victimization

00:26:05.560 as disempowering.

00:26:07.080 Instead,

00:26:07.720 he perceives it

00:26:08.440 as empowering.

00:26:09.740 I also think

00:26:10.700 that he furthermore

00:26:11.520 is economically incentivized

00:26:13.280 to

00:26:14.320 to

00:26:15.240 tow the

00:26:16.380 they

00:26:17.120 powerful people

00:26:18.200 doing bad things

00:26:19.200 line

00:26:19.620 because

00:26:20.080 one of his big

00:26:20.820 selling propositions

00:26:21.840 for the war room,

00:26:22.640 which is his most

00:26:23.300 like high,

00:26:24.160 probably high margin

00:26:25.120 product,

00:26:26.780 like his sort of

00:26:27.720 men's club

00:26:28.480 is that

00:26:29.880 you are a slave

00:26:31.040 and until you join

00:26:32.020 our special men's club

00:26:33.120 that teaches you

00:26:33.760 how to make money

00:26:34.480 and it gives you

00:26:35.140 a support network,

00:26:36.480 you will continue

00:26:37.300 to have these forces

00:26:38.660 arrayed against you.

00:26:40.200 And it's just harder

00:26:41.060 to sell

00:26:41.800 an almost $8,000

00:26:43.300 product

00:26:44.160 when you don't

00:26:45.520 have

00:26:46.120 a very strong

00:26:47.260 narrative.

00:26:48.040 And also like

00:26:48.480 the marketing

00:26:49.040 around it

00:26:49.700 makes it sound

00:26:50.440 like it's

00:26:50.920 a resistance

00:26:51.600 movement

00:26:52.300 underground,

00:26:53.640 et cetera.

00:26:54.180 So like,

00:26:54.820 again,

00:26:55.100 this is an

00:26:55.560 economic thing.

00:26:56.600 This is not him

00:26:57.480 viewing himself

00:26:58.120 as a victim.

00:26:58.740 Again,

00:26:59.000 Tate is the

00:26:59.780 real deal.

00:27:00.540 He sees himself

00:27:01.240 as a chosen

00:27:02.080 one of God

00:27:03.200 shown to

00:27:04.480 be a light

00:27:05.520 in a dark

00:27:06.020 world.

00:27:06.580 I guess

00:27:06.920 if I was

00:27:07.500 going to

00:27:07.900 take any

00:27:08.340 nuance

00:27:08.720 in what

00:27:09.000 I'm saying,

00:27:09.920 I would say

00:27:10.500 that while

00:27:10.860 he sees

00:27:11.320 himself

00:27:11.640 as a victim,

00:27:12.400 he doesn't

00:27:12.780 contextualize

00:27:13.600 victimhood

00:27:14.040 the way

00:27:14.280 other people

00:27:14.680 do.

00:27:15.360 He contextualizes

00:27:16.180 it as an

00:27:16.600 opportunity

00:27:17.180 to fight

00:27:17.820 for what's

00:27:18.360 right.

00:27:18.960 And in

00:27:19.600 so doing,

00:27:20.360 he negates

00:27:21.160 the stereotypes

00:27:21.960 that are

00:27:22.480 negative about

00:27:23.440 being a

00:27:24.100 victim.

00:27:24.680 Yeah,

00:27:24.900 he's a

00:27:25.480 victim in

00:27:25.920 so far as

00:27:26.360 he's a

00:27:26.720 warrior.

00:27:27.300 Another

00:27:27.600 thing that

00:27:28.280 I would

00:27:28.520 say is

00:27:29.220 really

00:27:30.280 interesting

00:27:31.020 is the

00:27:32.060 number of

00:27:32.780 men from

00:27:33.440 cultural

00:27:33.920 groups,

00:27:34.560 which I

00:27:34.920 think are

00:27:35.280 incompatible

00:27:36.300 with the

00:27:36.740 lifestyle that

00:27:37.460 Tate is

00:27:37.920 recommending,

00:27:39.240 that move

00:27:40.200 into this

00:27:40.880 lifestyle,

00:27:41.780 right?

00:27:42.160 That see it

00:27:42.960 as aspirational.

00:27:44.020 And when

00:27:46.100 you point

00:27:46.540 out to

00:27:46.860 them,

00:27:47.060 well,

00:27:47.220 if you

00:27:47.560 treat your

00:27:48.000 wives this

00:27:48.500 way,

00:27:48.980 then you

00:27:49.700 are setting

00:27:50.140 your daughters

00:27:50.660 up to be

00:27:51.040 treated this

00:27:51.460 way.

00:27:52.620 Are you

00:27:53.200 okay with

00:27:53.740 that?

00:27:54.200 You know,

00:27:54.400 your sons

00:27:54.760 are going to

00:27:55.060 treat their

00:27:55.360 wives this

00:27:55.760 way,

00:27:55.980 their daughters

00:27:56.460 will learn

00:27:56.860 that.

00:27:57.740 And they're

00:27:57.980 like,

00:27:58.180 no,

00:27:58.940 whoa,

00:27:59.600 gross.

00:28:00.080 I don't

00:28:00.320 want my

00:28:00.660 daughters to

00:28:01.080 be treated

00:28:01.380 this way.

00:28:02.500 And he's

00:28:03.740 appealing to

00:28:04.460 them specifically

00:28:06.140 because they

00:28:06.760 don't see any

00:28:07.780 iteration of

00:28:08.560 masculinity to

00:28:09.920 which they can

00:28:10.620 aspire within

00:28:11.960 the cultural

00:28:12.740 groups that

00:28:13.620 they have

00:28:14.240 access to.

00:28:15.820 And it's

00:28:16.840 because they

00:28:17.620 want an

00:28:18.220 iteration of

00:28:18.860 masculinity that

00:28:19.660 solves their

00:28:20.220 immediate issues.

00:28:21.520 So what

00:28:22.180 Tate does is

00:28:23.400 he shows

00:28:23.840 somebody who

00:28:24.500 is both

00:28:25.040 older and

00:28:26.660 somebody who

00:28:27.620 sleeps around

00:28:28.340 with a lot

00:28:28.740 of women.

00:28:29.400 Whereas within

00:28:30.480 most cultural

00:28:31.300 groups, that

00:28:32.900 is not what

00:28:35.000 they want when

00:28:35.880 they get older.

00:28:36.540 When they get

00:28:36.940 older, well,

00:28:37.520 then they go

00:28:38.060 out and they

00:28:39.040 attempt to

00:28:40.160 solve major

00:28:41.580 problems in

00:28:42.360 the world in

00:28:43.100 a very, I

00:28:44.180 call it like a

00:28:44.600 much more

00:28:44.960 wholesome

00:28:45.320 format.

00:28:46.500 You know, we

00:28:46.940 had played on

00:28:47.760 a recent video

00:28:48.400 a Steve Irwin

00:28:49.420 quip with the

00:28:50.300 way his wife is

00:28:51.100 looking at him

00:28:51.840 when he's talking

00:28:52.860 about how much

00:28:53.260 he wants to

00:28:53.580 save the world.

00:28:54.100 And I'll put it

00:28:54.560 here because

00:28:54.820 apparently he

00:28:55.240 didn't get us

00:28:55.580 demonetized.

00:28:56.500 I want to save

00:28:57.440 the world.

00:28:58.200 And you know,

00:28:58.600 money, money's

00:28:59.500 great.

00:28:59.960 I can't get

00:29:00.580 enough money.

00:29:01.300 And you know

00:29:01.600 what I'm going

00:29:01.900 to do with it?

00:29:02.540 I'm going to

00:29:02.860 buy wilderness

00:29:03.440 areas with it.

00:29:04.400 Every single

00:29:05.260 cent I get

00:29:06.060 goes straight

00:29:06.940 into conservation.

00:29:08.200 And guess what,

00:29:08.800 Charles?

00:29:09.040 I don't give a

00:29:09.600 rip whose money

00:29:10.240 it is, mate.

00:29:10.920 I'll use it

00:29:11.680 and I'll spend

00:29:12.240 it on buying

00:29:12.860 land.

00:29:13.240 But I think

00:29:13.680 it shows this

00:29:15.200 is the way

00:29:15.720 that I want

00:29:16.340 to attract a

00:29:16.900 wife.

00:29:17.160 This is the

00:29:17.660 way that I

00:29:18.160 want to attract

00:29:18.700 a partner

00:29:19.160 because I

00:29:20.240 see us as

00:29:21.860 partners in

00:29:23.540 fighting the

00:29:24.720 system, like

00:29:25.700 equal partners.

00:29:26.580 And I want

00:29:27.040 her to like

00:29:27.860 me for what

00:29:30.180 I aspire to

00:29:31.440 fix in the

00:29:31.920 world and be

00:29:32.740 a part of

00:29:33.160 that.

00:29:33.340 You know,

00:29:33.460 if you look

00:29:34.020 at my cultural

00:29:34.920 ancestors, you

00:29:36.140 know, we've

00:29:36.340 got a kid

00:29:36.620 called Thorston,

00:29:37.440 right?

00:29:37.680 Like Thorstone,

00:29:38.600 right?

00:29:38.700 Like that's

00:29:39.100 my wife's

00:29:39.580 background,

00:29:40.100 right?

00:29:40.240 Like Viking

00:29:41.100 ancestry and

00:29:42.960 actually Viking

00:29:44.560 ancestry because

00:29:45.340 she has a

00:29:45.920 Nordic last

00:29:47.360 name, but it's

00:29:48.020 from England,

00:29:48.720 not the

00:29:49.100 pussies who

00:29:49.540 stayed at

00:29:49.920 home.

00:29:50.860 But I'm

00:29:51.320 sorry.

00:29:51.760 I think one

00:29:52.400 of the reasons

00:29:52.740 why Nordic

00:29:53.180 cultures are

00:29:53.620 so pussified is

00:29:54.620 they had a

00:29:55.360 constant genetic

00:29:56.000 selection where

00:29:56.740 every one of

00:29:57.400 them with an

00:29:58.460 explorational

00:29:59.600 spirit left

00:30:00.520 the country and

00:30:01.200 only left the

00:30:01.680 ones who

00:30:01.980 didn't want

00:30:02.360 to.

00:30:03.000 But what we

00:30:03.460 need to

00:30:03.740 remember is

00:30:04.240 what family

00:30:04.660 structures were

00:30:05.280 like in this

00:30:06.120 cultural

00:30:06.400 tradition,

00:30:06.820 which is not

00:30:08.180 a man took

00:30:09.880 care of a

00:30:11.000 wife who

00:30:11.500 stayed at

00:30:11.860 home and

00:30:12.240 did nothing.

00:30:13.060 The wife

00:30:13.860 protected the

00:30:14.840 farm.

00:30:15.460 She knew how

00:30:15.980 to use

00:30:16.380 weapons.

00:30:16.960 She grew

00:30:17.340 the food.

00:30:17.980 She did the

00:30:18.420 manual labor.

00:30:19.540 And the

00:30:19.880 husband's role

00:30:20.780 was to go

00:30:21.440 out and move

00:30:22.960 the family up

00:30:23.720 in status,

00:30:24.640 you know,

00:30:24.960 gain additional

00:30:26.400 wealth and

00:30:27.060 jewels and stuff

00:30:27.740 like that and

00:30:28.300 bring it back

00:30:28.860 and move up

00:30:29.680 within the

00:30:30.280 system.

00:30:30.580 And when we

00:30:32.740 talk about it,

00:30:33.260 we've talked

00:30:33.580 about this

00:30:33.840 before, the

00:30:34.560 wife is the

00:30:35.160 shield and

00:30:35.640 the husband is

00:30:36.180 the sword and

00:30:36.820 they work in

00:30:37.380 perfect unison to

00:30:38.640 defeat the

00:30:39.220 forces against

00:30:39.780 them.

00:30:40.240 And the

00:30:40.540 previous ones I

00:30:41.000 said like

00:30:41.240 shuttle knight and

00:30:42.020 shield knight.

00:30:43.620 This model for

00:30:45.080 building a family

00:30:45.980 assumes that the

00:30:47.000 wife is going to

00:30:47.540 be the source of

00:30:48.020 consistent income

00:30:48.760 and the husband

00:30:49.240 is a source of

00:30:50.120 potentially moving

00:30:51.300 the family up and

00:30:52.220 stuff like that.

00:30:52.880 And it's a very

00:30:53.280 different way to

00:30:54.020 relate to a

00:30:54.820 woman.

00:30:55.500 But the way that

00:30:56.520 you attract women

00:30:57.240 in this is not by

00:30:58.180 putting them down

00:30:58.740 because you're

00:30:59.180 looking for a

00:30:59.840 woman who is a

00:31:00.440 competent warrior

00:31:01.920 and producer

00:31:02.940 because you

00:31:04.380 believe that

00:31:05.900 strong women

00:31:06.720 make strong

00:31:07.380 sons.

00:31:08.420 Whereas if you

00:31:09.240 look at the way

00:31:09.880 that he wants to

00:31:10.860 create strong

00:31:11.560 sons, it's very

00:31:12.280 interesting, right?

00:31:13.080 It's much closer

00:31:13.840 to the Jordan

00:31:14.360 Peterson model,

00:31:15.360 which is I am

00:31:16.500 going to be very

00:31:17.040 strict on these

00:31:17.780 boys.

00:31:18.120 I am going to be

00:31:19.240 very regimented in

00:31:21.320 how they're raised.

00:31:22.660 And this can

00:31:23.380 create warriors,

00:31:25.120 but it doesn't

00:31:25.420 create kings.

00:31:26.560 If you create a

00:31:27.460 son to efficiently

00:31:28.420 obey the orders

00:31:30.240 of somebody who

00:31:31.500 is bigger than

00:31:32.080 them or has

00:31:32.580 more power than

00:31:33.320 them, well, then

00:31:34.580 you're creating a

00:31:35.260 kid who's going to

00:31:36.260 obey, hopefully,

00:31:37.340 your cultural group,

00:31:38.300 which is why it's

00:31:38.960 pretty smart that

00:31:40.200 given that these

00:31:40.720 are his

00:31:40.980 inclinations, that

00:31:42.100 he would move

00:31:42.460 into the Islamic

00:31:43.160 cultural group.

00:31:44.340 Because if he

00:31:44.780 raised a kid this

00:31:45.340 way within the

00:31:45.740 Christian cultural

00:31:46.280 group, then they're

00:31:46.760 just going to end

00:31:47.200 up being a simp to

00:31:48.440 mainstream society.

00:31:49.700 I think that

00:31:50.240 people who are

00:31:51.060 unfamiliar with this

00:31:51.920 style of parenting

00:31:52.560 can misunderstand

00:31:53.280 what we're saying

00:31:54.400 in it.

00:31:55.560 We are attempting

00:31:56.500 to stoke the

00:31:58.100 fire of our

00:31:59.000 children's wills

00:32:00.320 as much as

00:32:01.440 possible.

00:32:02.380 Some cultural

00:32:03.000 groups attempt to

00:32:04.300 stamp out their

00:32:05.460 children's wills and

00:32:06.680 get them to fit a

00:32:08.540 very narrow,

00:32:09.760 conformed set of

00:32:10.900 rules, and then

00:32:12.660 other cultural

00:32:13.460 groups see it as

00:32:14.700 their goal to

00:32:16.320 increase the size of

00:32:18.120 their child's

00:32:18.780 wills.

00:32:19.140 For example, if I

00:32:20.660 believe that one

00:32:21.600 thing is just, and

00:32:23.000 my child believes

00:32:24.200 another thing is

00:32:25.220 jester, they don't

00:32:25.980 understand why I

00:32:27.000 have given them

00:32:27.700 some rule, and

00:32:29.780 they have logic

00:32:30.640 behind why they

00:32:31.440 don't understand why

00:32:32.160 I have given them

00:32:32.660 that rule, it is

00:32:33.840 not success for me

00:32:35.100 to break their

00:32:37.060 will and force

00:32:37.860 them to follow a

00:32:38.800 rule that they

00:32:39.620 don't understand,

00:32:41.080 that makes no

00:32:41.900 sense to them.

00:32:43.160 That is me having

00:32:44.760 failed as a

00:32:46.040 parent, because

00:32:47.460 that's not who I

00:32:48.220 want them to be as

00:32:48.840 an adult.

00:32:49.380 I don't want people

00:32:50.320 who are bigger than

00:32:51.500 them, or stronger

00:32:52.440 than them, or have

00:32:53.420 more power than

00:32:54.140 them to be able

00:32:55.080 to force them to

00:32:56.120 follow rules that

00:32:57.200 they feel are

00:32:57.840 unjust.

00:32:58.580 Because one of the

00:32:59.360 things I've noticed

00:32:59.880 in the world, you

00:33:00.460 know, when we

00:33:00.760 interact with young

00:33:01.380 people, is the

00:33:02.680 core thing that

00:33:03.500 seems to relate to

00:33:04.400 their ability to

00:33:05.520 actionably affect

00:33:06.520 the future is the

00:33:08.680 size of this

00:33:09.520 internal flame inside

00:33:11.060 them, which I can

00:33:11.700 almost immediately

00:33:12.660 sense when I meet

00:33:13.800 someone, how big and

00:33:15.580 bright is your will?

00:33:17.820 Yeah, so I mean,

00:33:18.520 yeah, so a couple

00:33:19.740 thoughts here.

00:33:20.540 Like, when you look

00:33:21.100 at American history

00:33:21.860 and you look at

00:33:22.320 groups that sort of

00:33:23.260 took these two

00:33:23.680 different approaches,

00:33:24.480 you had the

00:33:24.900 Cavaliers in the

00:33:25.680 South, who did

00:33:27.300 raise people the

00:33:28.460 Andrew Tate style.

00:33:29.320 Like, women were

00:33:29.780 very much disempowered,

00:33:30.980 men were very much

00:33:31.700 sort of like, yeah,

00:33:32.920 like, do your thing,

00:33:34.100 be super manly, and

00:33:36.040 what has happened, you

00:33:37.300 know, from the South?

00:33:37.900 How many, you know,

00:33:38.620 like, it's not been

00:33:40.160 the best outcome.

00:33:41.300 We're more Scots-Irish.

00:33:42.360 I don't know if we've,

00:33:43.120 you know, the Scots-Irish

00:33:44.220 have done much better.

00:33:45.080 I mean, I think they're,

00:33:45.860 like you say, arguments

00:33:46.940 to be made for both

00:33:47.740 sides.

00:33:48.160 They've done very well

00:33:48.780 in terms of wealth,

00:33:49.880 in terms of innovation,

00:33:51.200 political power, but

00:33:52.400 they've done very poorly

00:33:53.080 in terms of fertility

00:33:53.800 rates.

00:33:54.120 Yeah, and then another

00:33:55.280 thing, I think that the

00:33:56.120 differentiation that

00:33:57.040 you're pointing out

00:33:57.660 between the Andrew

00:33:59.120 Tate model of

00:33:59.940 masculinity and the

00:34:01.440 typical adult male

00:34:02.560 model of masculinity

00:34:03.520 is the Andrew Tate

00:34:05.100 model of masculinity

00:34:06.020 to me, and, you

00:34:07.540 know, obviously, yeah,

00:34:08.740 I guess it works in an

00:34:09.540 Islamic format, but I

00:34:10.580 would say it is the

00:34:11.340 epitome of toxic

00:34:12.160 masculinity because it

00:34:13.200 is all about resource

00:34:14.480 acquisition.

00:34:14.960 It is all about using

00:34:16.160 and exploiting and

00:34:17.760 making money and

00:34:18.700 spending money, but I

00:34:19.860 don't see anything being

00:34:20.680 built.

00:34:21.440 I don't see, and he

00:34:22.300 talks about, you know,

00:34:23.300 beautiful buildings and

00:34:24.720 all these amazing things,

00:34:25.620 but I don't see his

00:34:27.460 people, you know, the

00:34:28.760 people he trains or him

00:34:30.060 talking about, like,

00:34:31.060 let's get us off planet.

00:34:32.220 Let's build new medical

00:34:33.720 interventions.

00:34:34.240 Let's, like, you know,

00:34:35.080 move society forward.

00:34:36.440 I don't hear that.

00:34:37.040 It's all a status

00:34:37.540 hierarchy.

00:34:38.020 Yeah, it's all about

00:34:38.800 status.

00:34:39.220 It's all about women.

00:34:40.140 So I see, you know, like,

00:34:41.140 and that is a big part of

00:34:42.100 masculinity, right?

00:34:42.880 Like that, you know, that

00:34:43.800 is a big thing, but it

00:34:44.840 is also for young men

00:34:46.820 who have yet to

00:34:47.540 establish themselves.

00:34:48.440 And I feel like true

00:34:49.600 masculinity is, is not

00:34:51.980 about that, that flailing

00:34:53.740 signaling, which is

00:34:54.560 really something that

00:34:55.220 should be done as like a,

00:34:57.280 a, a signaler to good

00:34:59.600 partners that, that you

00:35:01.240 are a good investment.

00:35:02.380 Like that's, that's,

00:35:03.440 that is for the earlier

00:35:04.760 point in your life.

00:35:05.720 I think for, for adult

00:35:06.960 men, real masculinity is

00:35:08.940 settling down, is having a

00:35:10.580 family, is raising them in

00:35:11.600 a strong culture and

00:35:12.500 setting them up for

00:35:13.060 success, but also

00:35:13.840 building, like building

00:35:15.220 the next, the next step.

00:35:17.840 I mean, I think Elon Musk

00:35:18.960 exemplifies real

00:35:20.800 masculinity, which is

00:35:22.140 literally build the

00:35:23.220 thing.

00:35:24.120 Um, literally.

00:35:24.920 I think that you're being

00:35:25.840 dis, I think that you're

00:35:27.540 being uncharitable with

00:35:28.400 the real masculinity.

00:35:29.740 Okay.

00:35:30.160 This is what our

00:35:30.840 cultural group values.

00:35:31.880 Our cultural group values

00:35:32.960 people who do shit.

00:35:34.040 And that's why people from

00:35:34.780 our cultural group do

00:35:35.920 shit.

00:35:36.620 He values people who

00:35:37.920 appear high status

00:35:39.180 acquire, acquire shit.

00:35:40.460 Other men.

00:35:41.500 Yeah.

00:35:41.680 He views his life value

00:35:43.420 from the aesthetic that

00:35:45.240 he portrays onto reality.

00:35:47.480 The important thing is

00:35:49.140 he is doing that well.

00:35:50.360 He's doing that as well

00:35:51.200 as a human.

00:35:51.600 Yeah.

00:35:51.820 He uses diamond watches

00:35:52.880 and his several Roche

00:35:54.440 suits and his Bugatti and

00:35:56.040 his private plane for sure.

00:35:57.840 Yeah.

00:35:57.920 What's important is that

00:35:59.480 when you're choosing who

00:36:00.320 you take advice from and

00:36:01.340 when you're choosing who

00:36:02.160 you model, you need to

00:36:03.820 look at the outcomes of

00:36:06.300 choosing these two

00:36:07.160 different value systems.

00:36:08.700 Okay.

00:36:09.280 What happens to cultural

00:36:10.920 groups who choose his

00:36:11.960 value system?

00:36:12.720 What happens if you choose

00:36:13.940 his value system and how

00:36:14.880 you find the wife?

00:36:17.960 It's not, it will lead to

00:36:20.460 your kids turning out the

00:36:21.820 way the people who have

00:36:22.860 historically chosen that

00:36:23.880 value system have turned

00:36:24.880 out.

00:36:25.300 What happens if you choose

00:36:26.720 our value system?

00:36:27.860 It will lead to, now we

00:36:29.440 are trying to, because as

00:36:30.920 we've pointed out very

00:36:32.780 clearly, our value system

00:36:34.500 leads to people who end

00:36:35.440 up changing the world.

00:36:36.300 But who are low fertility

00:36:37.320 who end up having a high

00:36:38.400 economic success, who

00:36:39.820 end up having high

00:36:40.580 political power, but who

00:36:42.000 are low fertility.

00:36:42.880 So we're trying to tweak

00:36:43.800 it.

00:36:44.000 We're trying to improve

00:36:44.860 it.

00:36:45.400 He could do the same

00:36:46.480 thing.

00:36:47.180 He could say, well, I'm

00:36:48.500 from a growth that doesn't

00:36:49.760 have a fertility problem,

00:36:51.060 but that has an economic

00:36:53.220 power activation, making

00:36:56.200 the world a better place

00:36:57.140 problem.

00:36:58.040 The problem is, is that

00:36:59.760 he's done a very bad job

00:37:01.600 at tweaking it, or he

00:37:02.500 hasn't actively tweaked it

00:37:03.840 in any way that I can see.

00:37:05.380 He's just repackaging it

00:37:06.960 a bit for a modern

00:37:07.620 audience.

00:37:08.460 But I should note, people

00:37:10.500 when they look at Andrew

00:37:11.660 Tate, they look at him

00:37:13.460 and they're like, oh my

00:37:14.560 God, he's so

00:37:15.620 misogynistic.

00:37:17.340 This is because, and

00:37:18.680 keep in mind, Andrew Tate

00:37:19.940 converted into this

00:37:20.780 cultural group.

00:37:21.580 You know, he wasn't born

00:37:22.600 into this cultural group,

00:37:23.440 but it is because you have

00:37:26.840 blinded yourself to the

00:37:28.600 truth of the cultural

00:37:29.360 group he's from.

00:37:30.040 And if anything, he's an

00:37:31.480 incredibly sanitized

00:37:32.940 iteration of that cultural

00:37:34.060 group.

00:37:35.160 He treats women in his

00:37:37.060 life dramatically better

00:37:38.860 than the average person of

00:37:40.120 this cultural group.

00:37:41.540 Dramatically better.

00:37:42.360 He sees them as

00:37:43.000 dramatically more human.

00:37:44.300 And he does say he wants

00:37:46.240 women in his life to feel

00:37:47.660 cherished always.

00:37:48.760 He wants them to feel like

00:37:50.040 queens always.

00:37:51.260 He just doesn't want them

00:37:52.020 to have agency because

00:37:53.180 women to him, and he is

00:37:54.820 right about this from his

00:37:55.880 cultural perspective, are a

00:37:56.920 status symbol.

00:37:57.340 This is very different

00:37:58.620 than the way women are

00:37:59.700 viewed by the cultural

00:38:01.380 group that we come from.

00:38:02.480 The largest relative to

00:38:03.860 this cultural group still

00:38:05.260 common in the U.S. is

00:38:06.580 what people would call

00:38:07.380 rednecks.

00:38:08.240 If you look at the

00:38:09.420 idealized redneck woman,

00:38:12.080 this woman is not a

00:38:13.120 status symbol, she is a

00:38:15.280 resource.

00:38:16.180 And where she is a

00:38:17.200 status symbol, it is her

00:38:18.740 utility to the family, her

00:38:20.940 ability to work the farm.

00:38:22.880 This is a woman who can

00:38:23.940 hunt, who can fish, who is

00:38:26.280 muscular enough to do

00:38:28.680 basic farm maintenance,

00:38:30.520 who both isn't afraid to

00:38:31.880 and has the know-how to

00:38:33.160 roll up her sleeves and

00:38:34.560 fix a car or tractor.

00:38:36.440 A woman in this culture

00:38:37.740 is primarily valued for

00:38:39.600 her robustness and

00:38:41.500 persistence.

00:38:42.880 You know, when I'm

00:38:43.880 bragging on my wife, I

00:38:45.340 brag about how she went

00:38:46.720 through labor and was

00:38:47.620 still handling sales calls

00:38:49.060 while doing it, how she

00:38:50.060 went back to work the

00:38:51.040 next day.

00:38:51.860 Those are signs of her

00:38:53.080 value, which is really,

00:38:55.060 really different than the

00:38:56.520 idealized woman who is

00:38:57.880 just purely a status

00:38:59.520 symbol was in an

00:39:00.940 urbanized environment.

00:39:02.360 This reminds me of an

00:39:03.100 anecdote for when I first

00:39:04.140 started dating Simone.

00:39:05.600 One of the earliest

00:39:06.360 things she showed me was

00:39:08.440 her collection of pink

00:39:10.920 themed knives and other

00:39:13.360 hunting instruments, bows,

00:39:14.980 arrows, stuff like that.

00:39:16.020 And to people from other

00:39:17.920 cultural groups, that

00:39:19.360 might seem like a very

00:39:20.720 odd thing to show off

00:39:22.780 early in a relationship.

00:39:23.920 And I'll be honest,

00:39:25.380 probably even from within

00:39:26.360 our cultural group, it's

00:39:27.340 a pretty cringy thing to

00:39:28.520 do, but it was signaling

00:39:30.440 something to me.

00:39:31.440 You know, there's a

00:39:32.260 reason why she collected

00:39:33.800 all of these killing

00:39:35.380 instruments, but themed

00:39:37.240 them in a girly way.

00:39:38.460 It was to signal to

00:39:39.940 potential suitors, even

00:39:41.700 if subconsciously, that I

00:39:43.820 am the type of woman who

00:39:45.080 can go out and protect the

00:39:46.680 family and fend for

00:39:48.680 myself, because those are

00:39:50.380 things that are valued

00:39:51.520 within our cultural group.

00:39:52.640 And I should note here,

00:39:54.480 the type of women who

00:39:56.140 are attracted to a man

00:39:58.400 who acts like Andrew

00:39:59.740 Tate, like that's their

00:40:00.760 thing, that's what they

00:40:01.580 want from a cultural

00:40:02.440 group, I don't know the

00:40:03.540 nice way to say this,

00:40:04.820 but they would often be

00:40:06.100 very disagreeable as

00:40:08.680 partners to men who did

00:40:11.040 not treat them the way

00:40:12.520 that Andrew Tate teaches

00:40:13.580 them.

00:40:13.980 The type of women who are

00:40:15.600 attracted to men like that

00:40:16.960 often need to be treated

00:40:18.940 like that to be tolerable

00:40:21.080 to be around for men of

00:40:22.960 any cultural group.

00:40:24.420 He's not taking women

00:40:26.440 off the table who, if

00:40:28.440 they had met a guy like

00:40:29.580 me, could have been

00:40:30.440 people like my wife.

00:40:32.620 And I think that that's

00:40:33.360 important to remember.

00:40:34.640 When he says women need

00:40:35.980 to be treated this way to

00:40:37.240 be tolerable, he is

00:40:38.740 speaking from personal

00:40:39.680 experience because the

00:40:41.020 type of women who settle

00:40:42.480 for a man like him need

00:40:44.260 to be treated that way to

00:40:45.340 be tolerable.

00:40:46.240 And so we've got to talk

00:40:47.000 about why did this cultural

00:40:47.840 group treat women that way?

00:40:48.940 You know, it's because

00:40:49.960 they urbanized far earlier

00:40:52.260 than our cultural groups.

00:40:53.980 Our cultural groups were

00:40:55.200 raiding barbarians for much

00:40:56.620 longer.

00:40:57.100 And so women had to work

00:40:58.260 much more.

00:40:58.880 And when our cultural groups

00:41:00.280 in the world industrialized,

00:41:01.760 we moved, you know, your

00:41:03.160 family moved to Chicago, to

00:41:04.920 the edge of the world.

00:41:05.720 My family moved, you know,

00:41:07.260 to the Carolinas and then

00:41:09.240 further to Texas.

00:41:10.040 Then your family moved

00:41:10.980 further to California.

00:41:12.580 And even your dad, you

00:41:13.980 know, when he came of age,

00:41:14.960 he went to Japan, right?

00:41:16.420 And my dad, when he came of

00:41:17.540 age, he went to start a

00:41:18.820 company in South America.

00:41:19.660 And then what did we do

00:41:20.520 when we started our first

00:41:21.400 company?

00:41:21.720 It was in Peru.

00:41:22.720 Like we have this predilection

00:41:25.440 to always be on what we

00:41:27.440 would consider as close as we

00:41:28.860 can get to the edges of

00:41:30.240 civilization because it is

00:41:32.120 not a culture that is

00:41:33.120 optimized for stability or

00:41:36.000 social stability.

00:41:37.460 So in many ways, and I

00:41:38.680 think this is why

00:41:39.220 prepperism is so big in

00:41:40.320 America because so many

00:41:41.080 people in America are

00:41:41.760 descended from cultural

00:41:42.460 groups that just are really

00:41:43.580 not optimized for social

00:41:44.700 stability.

00:41:45.180 And in a world where

00:41:48.160 systems begin to collapse,

00:41:49.780 Americans are going to do

00:41:50.760 like stupidly well because

00:41:53.000 just a lot of them are from

00:41:54.200 cultural groups that are

00:41:54.980 optimized around that.

00:41:56.320 Whereas cultural groups

00:41:57.360 where women are just

00:41:58.040 totally disempowered and

00:41:59.080 treated as status symbols

00:42:00.480 is a sane strategy if you

00:42:03.420 have a totally safe home

00:42:04.980 base where women actually

00:42:06.120 can stay at home and not

00:42:07.820 worrying about the need to

00:42:09.100 defend themselves.

00:42:10.080 I don't know.

00:42:10.340 I just I think it becomes

00:42:11.580 in that scenario in those

00:42:13.640 societies, it just becomes

00:42:15.140 a much more hostile and

00:42:18.660 vicious society where

00:42:20.700 women immediately become

00:42:22.440 real currency, if you know

00:42:24.180 what I mean.

00:42:26.220 Well, I think that's a

00:42:27.540 result of the stability of

00:42:28.940 those regions

00:42:29.520 intergenerationally.

00:42:30.800 Yeah.

00:42:32.000 The areas where those

00:42:33.760 cultural groups have come

00:42:35.000 from have been some of the

00:42:36.140 longest civilizationally

00:42:37.500 stable areas in the world

00:42:39.520 since Babylon.

00:42:40.980 You know, like, yeah, I

00:42:43.500 mean, anyway, yeah, I

00:42:45.800 hear what you're saying.

00:42:47.940 And I guess what I'm just

00:42:49.740 saying is, is, is it's not

00:42:51.300 he's not acting wrong.

00:42:53.620 And neither of us has a

00:42:55.220 culture that actually

00:42:56.720 historically completely

00:42:58.380 works.

00:42:59.120 And we should both be

00:43:00.360 attempting to tweak it in

00:43:02.220 ways that can ensure that

00:43:03.940 our descendants thrive.

00:43:06.320 But I don't think that a

00:43:07.720 necessary one of those

00:43:08.940 tweaks is that he treats

00:43:09.900 women better.

00:43:10.880 I would never treat

00:43:11.600 women that way.

00:43:12.280 And I and I the thing I

00:43:13.860 really worry about is

00:43:15.780 men, young men who see

00:43:17.580 the way he's acting and

00:43:18.520 is like, oh, yeah, I was

00:43:19.400 in my young social circle.

00:43:21.320 I want to be treated this

00:43:22.240 way.

00:43:22.440 Yeah.

00:43:22.580 But do you want to be an

00:43:23.160 80 year old bragging about

00:43:24.200 how many women you're

00:43:24.880 sleeping with?

00:43:25.600 Like you understand how

00:43:26.640 gross that is?

00:43:27.480 Like he's on the edge of

00:43:28.720 it getting pretty gross.

00:43:30.020 And it's important that

00:43:31.500 you understand what's

00:43:33.500 actually being sold here

00:43:35.200 and what that means for

00:43:36.360 your descendants.

00:43:37.100 If you optimize around

00:43:38.960 that strategy for what

00:43:40.880 it's worth, he seems to

00:43:42.040 be moving away in his

00:43:43.200 content from talking

00:43:44.220 about women, which is

00:43:46.560 good.

00:43:47.220 Yeah, but it's still

00:43:48.420 intrinsic.

00:43:49.140 I mean, I'd love it if he

00:43:50.020 could because women I

00:43:51.840 won't say there it's not

00:43:52.800 like women are the

00:43:53.460 problem, but but securing

00:43:55.780 women and building

00:43:57.500 relationships that are

00:43:59.120 stable and have stable

00:44:00.340 gender dynamics in a

00:44:01.460 world where all of this is

00:44:02.400 falling apart is an

00:44:03.260 important thing to note

00:44:05.300 and to work around as

00:44:07.360 is the way you

00:44:08.140 contextualize yourself.

00:44:09.340 I really love his

00:44:10.840 radical personal

00:44:11.720 responsibility stance,

00:44:13.340 which is something that

00:44:14.040 we really promote.

00:44:15.480 And I'd actually say that

00:44:16.340 we probably agree with

00:44:17.160 90% of what he says,

00:44:19.480 but I think that 90% of

00:44:21.160 what he says isn't what

00:44:22.160 you think he's saying.

00:44:23.300 If you're only listening

00:44:24.140 to the crazy news

00:44:25.960 covers.

00:44:27.060 And I actually think that

00:44:28.440 he is internally

00:44:29.260 logically consistent.

00:44:30.360 You know, as I've said

00:44:30.920 was like, yeah, the

00:44:32.400 anti-natalists who are

00:44:33.580 like the David

00:44:34.440 Minotaur variety, I'm

00:44:35.520 like, look, you guys

00:44:36.800 are just not logically

00:44:37.820 consistent.

00:44:39.200 This is not impressive

00:44:40.080 to me.

00:44:40.660 But of the ethylism

00:44:41.580 variety, I'm like, look,

00:44:42.680 I think you guys are

00:44:44.000 terrible.

00:44:44.420 These are the ones who

00:44:44.920 want to kill all humans.

00:44:46.000 We have a video about

00:44:46.620 that.

00:44:46.800 I can like do it at the

00:44:47.520 end of this one, but

00:44:48.640 you're at least logically

00:44:49.800 consistent.

00:44:50.720 Yeah.

00:44:51.360 And that's what I say

00:44:52.240 about him.

00:44:52.560 I think he's both smart

00:44:54.080 and logically consistent,

00:44:56.040 but not what I would

00:44:56.940 want for my daughters to

00:44:58.260 marry.

00:44:58.840 Not our style, but a

00:45:00.280 style.

00:45:00.800 And yeah, I mean, one

00:45:01.520 of our core cultural

00:45:02.740 tenets is that we very

00:45:04.600 much celebrate the fact

00:45:06.000 that there are lots of

00:45:06.940 people taking approaches

00:45:08.060 that we wouldn't take

00:45:09.060 because we would like

00:45:10.060 for a maximum number of

00:45:11.260 different approaches to

00:45:11.960 be taken.

00:45:12.940 Yeah, absolutely.

00:45:14.980 Yeah.

00:45:15.300 So you do you.

00:45:16.760 Doing great.

00:45:17.780 Yeah, you're doing it.

00:45:19.480 You're doing a good job.

00:45:20.800 Yep.

00:45:21.180 And I think you are on

00:45:23.880 the whole, maybe making

00:45:25.480 the world a better

00:45:25.980 place.

00:45:26.300 We'll see how it plays

00:45:26.920 out.

00:45:27.480 Maybe not.

00:45:28.200 Keep it up, buddy.

00:45:29.000 We'll see.

00:45:29.920 But yeah, power.

00:45:30.780 But I can tell you, I

00:45:32.340 suspect our cultural

00:45:33.540 group to dramatically

00:45:35.100 outcompete his, given

00:45:36.900 at least what I see

00:45:37.760 right now.

00:45:38.020 But I guess I wouldn't

00:45:38.560 be in it if I didn't.

00:45:40.300 Yeah.

00:45:40.680 Right.

00:45:41.620 So time will tell.

00:45:44.160 But everyone should

00:45:45.440 have a sword.

00:45:46.240 It's very important.

00:45:47.180 It'll solve all of your

00:45:48.280 problems.

00:45:50.220 You know, I think

00:45:51.480 everyone should have

00:45:52.120 a good gun.

00:45:54.320 So don't go out and

00:45:54.940 get one right now.

00:45:55.900 We'll have sword

00:45:56.880 sponsorships eventually.

00:45:58.040 As shown in that scene

00:45:59.360 in Indiana Jones, do

00:46:00.820 not bring a blade to

00:46:02.860 a gunfight, all right?

00:46:03.740 I guarantee you don't

00:46:04.740 walk around your house

00:46:05.420 with a sword because

00:46:06.180 you're not a commander.

00:46:07.280 I'm a commander.

00:46:08.140 You know, like when you

00:46:08.580 command the troops

00:46:09.500 into battle.

00:46:10.100 That's me.

00:46:16.860 And that's one of the

00:46:17.860 problems with a lot of

00:46:18.920 these cultures that see

00:46:21.200 masculinity as like

00:46:22.380 buffness and everything

00:46:23.360 like that.

00:46:24.100 And we're like, okay,

00:46:25.740 which cultural group

00:46:26.900 is stereotypically the

00:46:28.900 least buff of all

00:46:30.160 cultural groups in the

00:46:31.260 world, least

00:46:31.940 athletically inclined?

00:46:33.460 And the stereotypes

00:46:34.260 would say, oh, that's

00:46:35.100 the Jewish cultural

00:46:35.760 group.

00:46:36.060 But they're the

00:46:36.640 cultural group that's

00:46:37.340 cleaning up in our

00:46:38.100 world today.

00:46:38.780 You know, fertility

00:46:39.440 rate, economically,

00:46:40.860 which I think shows

00:46:42.180 how pointless it is to

00:46:44.040 overemphasize on this

00:46:45.860 meaningless signaling of

00:46:47.740 masculinity over

00:46:49.320 competence and

00:46:50.340 competitiveness.

00:46:50.920 Especially in an age

00:46:51.760 of technology.

00:46:53.000 Yeah.

00:46:53.160 Technology is the new

00:46:54.900 masculinity, we say.

00:46:56.340 If I had to choose a

00:46:57.180 religion for myself

00:46:58.220 other than the one I'm

00:46:59.080 trying to create, it

00:47:00.040 would not be Islam.

00:47:00.940 It would be Judaism.

00:47:02.220 Yeah.

00:47:02.600 But anyway.

00:47:05.260 Well, the anti-Semites

00:47:06.340 are going to love that

00:47:07.080 one.

00:47:07.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:08.620 We can't talk about the

00:47:10.360 ongoing conflict because

00:47:11.640 Simone said my tweets

00:47:12.640 would get us in trouble.

00:47:13.920 Yep.

00:47:14.720 Mouth shut, Malcolm.

00:47:15.820 You won't.

00:47:16.320 I'll keep my mouth shut.

00:47:17.000 But please don't.

00:47:19.580 I'm not saying anything.

00:47:21.220 I'm not saying a single

00:47:22.140 word.

00:47:22.660 Am I, Simone?

00:47:23.640 No.

00:47:23.900 I'm keeping my mouth.

00:47:26.080 Yep.

00:47:26.400 We're going to, and then

00:47:27.640 heat up the hibachi, make

00:47:29.380 some fried rice tonight.

00:47:30.520 Yeah.

00:47:30.840 Want to do a quick

00:47:31.720 coffee?

00:47:31.840 Oh, yeah.

00:47:32.400 She got me a hibachi grill

00:47:33.700 for my birthday and it is

00:47:35.140 amazing.

00:47:37.040 Cultural appropriation right

00:47:38.440 there, Mrs.

00:47:39.120 Born in Japan.

00:47:40.180 Highly insensitive, but

00:47:41.480 that's what we do.

00:47:43.020 Wait, I was born in Japan.

00:47:44.160 No, that doesn't give me the

00:47:44.880 right.

00:47:45.600 Well, you're mentally

00:47:46.020 miserable.

00:47:46.460 Are hibachi grills even?

00:47:48.300 Simone, ethnicity isn't a

00:47:49.940 real thing.

00:47:50.640 Oh, right.

00:47:51.040 You were born in Japan.

00:47:52.740 You are Japanese culturally

00:47:54.580 because ethnicity doesn't

00:47:57.020 exist.

00:47:57.880 Right.

00:47:58.300 I forgot.

00:47:58.600 So how else could you be

00:47:59.860 Japanese other than being

00:48:00.900 born there and having the

00:48:01.940 name Haruko?

00:48:02.800 One has to wonder.

00:48:03.960 Yeah.

00:48:04.660 There you go.

00:48:05.600 I love you.

00:48:06.100 I love you too.

Based Camp - October 16, 2023

Andrew Tate： Our Thoughts

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