Based Camp - Anthropology of What Early Americans Wanted in a Wife

00:00:00.000 hello simone today is going to be an exciting episode because we are going to be studying

00:00:04.140 pronatalism through the lens of u.s cultural anthropology oh academic yes with the idea being

00:00:15.820 right now if you look at like the default plans for fixing pronatalism that i often hear on parts

00:00:23.460 of the right it's like well let's ban condoms and let's ban porn and let's ban you know whatever

00:00:29.880 yeah right and it's like okay so this would increase fertility rates if historically speaking 1.00

00:00:37.020 the primary reason people had kids was that they couldn't figure out how not to control their sexual 0.87

00:00:43.300 urges yeah and cross-culturally this is true it appears historically of some cultures however

00:00:50.980 for the vast majority of cultures particularly that were important in the founding of america

00:00:56.360 yeah this does not appear to have been true and so what we are going to explore in this episode

00:01:03.820 is what these cultures had to say about their own wife when they were trying to say like my wife is 0.61

00:01:11.460 better than your wife about young men advice on who to date about what they found hot or attractive or

00:01:19.460 they cheered on and songs and everything like that only one of america's founding cultures

00:01:26.060 ever referenced the way a woman looked for the other cultures basically never and there's actually

00:01:33.620 been some historical stuff looked at this how attractive a woman was was not referenced was

00:01:39.780 one culture we'll get into the the quaker culture in the pennsylvania region saw attractiveness as a sign

00:01:45.200 of a bad wife you wanted a wife who was plain oh that's how she was high class all these people are 0.99

00:01:50.960 just gonna be stereotypes of what you expect which is what i love so just like a preview here of the

00:01:55.840 backwards people who you mentioned who are like super violent and make up the majority now of like

00:01:59.500 trump's face and i've always they really like tomboys so what did they have to say historically

00:02:04.700 on notes of the state of virginia in 1785 thomas jefferson observed that in the frontier regions

00:02:11.340 women were valued for being quote-unquote robust and the ability to quote-unquote bear fatigue 1.00

00:02:18.440 and daniel boone's own writings about his wife rebecca emphasized that quote she could shoot as 0.56

00:02:25.520 well as any man in quote oh sweet i like that simon kenton a famous frontiersman wrote

00:02:33.060 admiringly of daniel boone's wife rebecca quote she could handle a rifle with the best of them 0.99

00:02:39.760 and noted quote she could keep the farm and defend it too that is an ideal woman yes i agree 0.98

00:02:47.060 this this this thing you see was in the current frontiers of america where you have the mud 0.82

00:02:52.620 whistling competition for women as we've we've gone over in other episodes women fighting and 1.00

00:02:57.360 showing martial ability is goes back into american history but we'll go into what the puritans wanted

00:03:03.180 and everything like that but before i go into all of that one thing i want to like really focus on

00:03:07.740 is right now when people have kids the vast majority of kids that are had in the world

00:03:13.400 particularly in america are not had because of arousal patterns at all it is because a couple

00:03:21.580 got together and decided they wanted kids and okay caveat because the the big drop in birth rates that

00:03:29.560 we're seeing in places like latin america result from basically impulsive teen sex no longer resulting

00:03:36.000 in babies because of increased birth control so i would say for like everything here is that in

00:03:41.840 every demographic of age range fertility rates have increased or stayed stable except for under 24

00:03:46.780 you are right meaning that like i think the only time when people are having impulsive sex that

00:03:51.960 produces babies it's because they're insane hormonally imbalanced teens or maybe not imbalanced but you 0.74

00:03:58.340 know like hormonally revved up they're they're people with very low self-control and very low iq and

00:04:03.520 they're struggling to not get pregnant yeah not myelinated poor impulse control yeah just like

00:04:09.080 should not be having babies and honestly it's not a bad thing that they're not having babies

00:04:14.420 like that's good and we'll get to this as we go into a lot of these quotes is the cultures that leaned

00:04:20.120 into motivating fertility through a lack of impulse control i.e through banning contraception through

00:04:27.680 banning pornography everything like that specifically catholic and mormon culture are the cultures that are

00:04:32.960 actually struggling uniquely with quickly falling fertility rates whereas the cultures that

00:04:37.940 historically and and we'll see this if you look at the old puritan stuff if you look at the old you

00:04:43.620 know extreme protestant stuff they did not seem to care about sex or sexuality at all and i note that

00:04:51.220 you actually have pretty big evolutionary differences between populations as we've noted uh the recent

00:04:56.600 study showed for example belief in predestination is highly genetically linked and people misunderstand

00:05:01.120 how much of their culture is genetically linked or leans on genetics and any of the culture for

00:05:07.280 generations since the founding of america has not used arousal to motivate childbirth of course they

00:05:14.140 are not going to be impacted by falling fertility rates as much as other cultures and really fascinating

00:05:20.300 in a future episode we'll get to catholics actually have a higher fertility rate when they are in other

00:05:24.780 cultures that haven't genetically adopted to their techniques for increasing fertility rate i.e if

00:05:31.520 you're looking in korea or china or japan catholics will always outbreed protestants but if you look at

00:05:36.760 cultures where these two religions are had within populations that have had these religious belief

00:05:41.840 systems for generations they underbreed protestants that's very interesting and even among the catholics who

00:05:47.860 have a lot of kids today and the catholic communities that have a lot of kids today which you'll see is they

00:05:51.800 don't do it due to a lack of self-control they do it because of a desire to have a lot of kids so they

00:05:58.280 have adapted and sort of made it through this hurdle it's just up until the 70s the catholic tradition

00:06:03.480 really relied on this to keep the fertility rates high as we can see from well stereotypes of

00:06:10.100 the community and you'll see as we go through all these communities they will fit the stereotypes you

00:06:15.140 have of them chris it's important you learn about your irish heritage

00:06:18.500 but let's go to the purities what were they looking for in a wife 1.00

00:06:39.320 in their own words okay okay cotton mather a prominent minister wrote in his 1710 work

00:06:47.080 a christian at his calling that marriage's primary purpose was to raise up a godly seed

00:06:53.360 and that physical relation should be approached with sobriety and moderation

00:06:58.440 okay he told young men that they should seek wives that are industrious and prudent if you look at his

00:07:08.240 own diary entries about what he thought of his own wife when he was looking for a second wife after

00:07:13.340 being widowed okay he wrote quote capacity for managing a household is what he was looking for

00:07:20.340 and her quote excellence in discussing religious matters this was a woman who he had met who he

00:07:25.720 ended up marrying later so he really appreciated her ability to have deep philosophical religious

00:07:32.980 conversations and her ability to manage the family finances which very useful yeah i guess a very

00:07:39.480 practically oriented yes he noted among her chief accomplishments is she's accomplished in

00:07:45.880 prudentials meaning she was good at practical matters and decision making prudentials i love that

00:07:52.280 why is there not a section on the collins institute skill tree for prudentials if you look at what he

00:07:59.600 said about his own wife after they were married he said quote she wastes not her time in idleness

00:08:05.480 or careless gabbing abroad but is ever industrious in her proper business and that's how he was

00:08:12.760 praising her not being like oh i got a hot wife here or whatever right william and we're going to go

00:08:18.140 over lots of different cultures so we're not just going to go over the puritans we're going to go

00:08:21.000 over the southerners we're going to go over the backwards people we're going to go please yes 1.00

00:08:23.960 william gouge an influential english protestant theologian wrote in his 1622 work of domestic

00:08:31.560 duties that married couples engaged in physical relations with moderation and primarily for the

00:08:39.040 procreation of children william perkins a prominent english puritan theologian wrote in christian

00:08:44.220 economy 1609 that the ideal wife should be selected for her quote godliness faithfulness and diligence 0.98

00:08:51.680 in governing the family he specifically advised young men to look for women who were quote skilled in

00:08:57.620 household affairs and quote of good report for piety john cotton in his sermons and writings for

00:09:04.780 colonial massachusetts emphasized that a potential wife should be evaluated on grace and virtue skill 1.00

00:09:10.460 in household management and devotion to god and if you look at the diary of samuel pepins the 17th

00:09:18.740 century england it contains numerous entries about what you should be looking for in a wife family

00:09:23.900 connections financial management abilities household skills religious devotion and educational background

00:09:29.320 never mentions how they look in the skillful physicians and and by the way if you're like well

00:09:34.780 no culture of this period cared about how they looked you will actually see one culture this is

00:09:39.240 the southern culture in america that frequently and primarily talked about how a woman well now okay hold 0.86

00:09:45.720 on i'm i'm pretty sure that even in these very practically oriented they still care about things

00:09:52.160 like i'm sure if a woman look on looked unkempt it would be a sign of her lack of prudential skills 1.00

00:09:58.680 you know so i'm sure they looked at appearance and went oh i mean if anything unkempt within the

00:10:03.280 backwards people would have been seen as a edifying thing it would have been seen as a and we'll get two

00:10:07.860 instances of this so certainly not among the puritans so i mean it would suggest low conscientiousness

00:10:13.280 right among the puritans it would but the point i'm making is physical appearance in a historic

00:10:20.100 context if you are an american at least was not what your ancestors used to motivate reproduction

00:10:27.880 and they were not looking to date hot brazilian models sorry yeah sorry yes not to burst your bubbles

00:10:37.640 to motivate fertility you have already lost the entire game unless you're trying to create an

00:10:44.340 entirely new culture that values attractiveness and arousal and if so i would say why like if that's

00:10:49.680 not your historic culture why are you trying to recultivate that when the cultures that used to

00:10:55.080 thrive through that like because catholic culture for example and here i'm not talking about high

00:11:00.520 catholic culture i'm talking about like low or poor catholic culture if you're talking about like

00:11:03.840 immigrants from ireland and stuff like that you see descriptions of this a lot that they have the

00:11:08.240 successful iterations of their culture have completely moved away from that to caring about

00:11:13.000 kids and in really having a disinterest in sex and sexuality for the vast majority of high fertility

00:11:20.500 cultures within the u.s and around the world today having kids is only sexy or arousing if you are

00:11:29.220 really into scheduling which okay given the nerdiness of our audience might be more of you 0.92

00:11:34.500 than would-be representative within the general public great let's all figure out when i can have sex 0.98

00:11:39.840 okay what if jenna did her dvd commentary while she was getting vajazzled you know what we have to 0.57

00:11:46.360 look at the whole month oh yeah there it is i need to cross-reference this with my menstruations

00:11:55.200 i'm gonna have to color code all of this oh yeah that's nice this is um

00:12:04.140 it's getting hot in here right if i had a column for my basal body temperature then i could

00:12:13.640 schedule around peak ovulation oh god this whole thing could be a spreadsheet if we print it in

00:12:21.720 the skillful physician actually came up in a lot of these it was written in 1659

00:12:26.460 oh okay and it listed a number of qualities of a good wife knowledge of scripture ability to manage 1.00

00:12:35.860 servants skill in household economy and women have been maraging managing the household wealth for a 1.00

00:12:41.500 long time managing household money and stuff like that many people are like oh you let your wife

00:12:46.260 manage the house and the money of the house and everything like that i'm like yes of course this is

00:12:49.980 like very traditional at least for my people good reputation in the community and temperance in

00:12:55.480 behavior were the things that were cared about quote it said oh yeah and i guess if we're talking

00:13:00.560 about the hot crazy graph they therefore are probably not the sexiest women no they are at the 1.00

00:13:07.320 bottom of the hot crazy if they have even temperament they've got to be pretty damn frumpy yeah

00:13:12.060 can oversee her house direct her servants and whiz her hands if need requires do any housewifery

00:13:19.360 so so it's about her own skill as well housewifery housewifery no john adams when he was talking to his 0.98

00:13:25.240 wife you know notable puritan from early american really important in the foundation of our country

00:13:29.740 yes so we can see and also abigail adams let's just be clear was like an intellectual in her own right 0.85

00:13:35.560 a huge advisor in his own career also like not not just a she's she wouldn't be a trad wife influencer

00:13:42.580 he would be like she would have a substack she would have her own following if you will so he wrote

00:13:49.280 about her to his friends and when he wrote about her he would constantly emphasize her intelligence

00:13:54.480 and her character and he noted to a friend that she was a scholar and possessed a mind that might have

00:14:01.220 adorned a court he particularly praised her knowledge of literature and her ability to engage

00:14:06.780 in intellectual discourse so what you'll see repeatedly here is its ability at intellectual

00:14:12.040 debate on the topics that matter to these individuals either literature or religion that

00:14:17.480 was the primary thing that edified a wife and her ability to manage finances and her industry 1.00

00:14:22.840 very different to what people are bragging about today in samuel seward's diary 1652 to 1730 it

00:14:30.020 contains multiple entries about potential wives where he evaluates them almost entirely on practical

00:14:34.880 and spiritual grounds in one notable entry about a potential match he writes admiring of how she

00:14:39.940 quote keeps excellent order in her family end quote and quote shows wisdom in the management of affairs

00:14:46.880 end quote he spends several paragraphs discussing her religious knowledge and household management skills

00:14:53.000 without a single mention of her physical appearance these people did not ruminate about this and they did

00:14:59.400 not think about this and actually if you look at them talking about what they were looking forward

00:15:03.100 to on their wedding nights because you find this in some of the old product intellectuals will be like

00:15:06.360 me and my wife will sit together by the bedside and we will spend all night praying and having an

00:15:13.280 intellectual conversation about god and like they were not and what we we need to understand here is

00:15:20.620 different cultures have different motivation towards arousal and towards sexuality in some cultures when they

00:15:27.460 didn't need this motivation it became nearly bred out of them to motivate reproduction and i think

00:15:36.020 that's part of what we're seeing here to be more pointed the core theme of the argument in this piece is that

00:15:42.800 arousal and sexuality have been largely vestigial in humans for hundreds of years and thus attempting to use

00:15:51.220 it to motivate fertility within a population is going to have about the same results as using your appendix

00:15:57.960 to try to clean your blood supply instead of your kidney because you'll note that they didn't even talk

00:16:03.160 about this in passing and we'll get to this in a bit because it's actually really interesting if you like

00:16:07.040 analyze their writings moreover they'll they'll be very explicit in their sexual conversations but they

00:16:12.820 actually very similar to this channel where we will have very explicit conversations about the furries

00:16:20.500 or about people who are into like the omega verse or about like abnormal human sexuality but we are

00:16:27.740 like an anti-horny channel you could almost say like we don't you don't like put on the horniness to get

00:16:34.360 viewers i don't really literally a husband and wife sitting in separate rooms so yeah we have no

00:16:41.340 restrictions against talking about sexuality and this is mentioned in albmc that the puritan community of

00:16:45.680 this period they wrote about sexuality so explicitly that many of their works had to be censored to the

00:16:49.940 20th century but they didn't write about it was horniness it was just practicality okay so ralph jocelyn

00:16:57.000 an english vicar wrote in his diary about potential matches for his children consistently focusing on

00:17:02.060 qualities like good housewifery godly conversation and prudent dealing now this isn't this is what i was

00:17:09.520 mentioning before the historical record suggests descriptions of women's physical appearance were 0.86

00:17:13.880 actually relatively uncommon in formal writing and documents from puritan and early protestant periods

00:17:19.560 if you look at amanda vickery's the gentleman's daughter 1998 they analyzed letters and diaries

00:17:25.980 from the 18th century and found that while physical appearance was sometimes written it was far less

00:17:31.300 prominent than discussion of character accomplishment or domestic abilities when discussing potential

00:17:35.780 marriages david hackley fisher in albmc noted that puritan writing about courtship and marriage

00:17:40.860 tended to focus heavily on spiritual and practical qualities rather than physical attraction the

00:17:46.260 historical record suggests descriptions of women's physical appearance were actually relatively uncommon

00:17:51.180 in formal writing and documents from the puritan and early protestant periods

00:17:55.560 which i find really really fascinating now if you're like okay so what were they looking for

00:18:03.860 thomas gatker a good wife god's gift this was written in 1720 about what you should look for in

00:18:10.420 wives or what good wives do i mean there weren't a lot of books around back then how many written 1.00

00:18:17.240 guides are actually are for like finding a wife instead of just i imagine that this was just going to be

00:18:22.220 orally passed down folk wisdom but you're quoting books that's really surprising only the puritans are we

00:18:27.980 quoting books this is what i'll say okay everyone else didn't didn't with the thos is quoting letters

00:18:32.920 with the with the backwards people it's songs you know so yeah then people wrote in different ways 0.99

00:18:39.740 but the puritans like their writing okay so a good wife god's gift 1620 he said that good wives were 0.74

00:18:46.780 early risers good work women and were not idle but occupied with honest labor look well to the ways of 0.93

00:18:53.600 her household so really industry ability at conversation specifically intellectual conversation with the

00:19:00.340 husband and this just repeatedly brought back to it all these things it's not like one guy had like a

00:19:04.620 fetish for this nobody talked about how their wives looked they did not care they did not anticipate sex

00:19:12.160 on their wedding night they saw it as kind of gross and something that you needed to bear through to have 0.83

00:19:18.120 kids john john robinson a puritan pastor wrote the most praiseworthy quality of a wife was painful and

00:19:26.200 diligent in her place painful meant hard-working and industrious in the language of the time

00:19:31.200 i love that so now we're going to talk about the quakers which were the most similar to the puritans

00:19:36.060 and what they told people they wanted but they were really anti-talking about sexuality so in the way

00:19:40.220 that like our show like does not care about talking about sex or sexuality we're just not horny about it

00:19:44.480 they were like terrified of sexuality so william penn in advice to his children emphasized that a good

00:19:50.340 marriage match should be based on the things that are of god rather than worldly attributes he

00:19:56.600 specifically advised somebody looking for plainness in a wife meaning simplicity and authenticity and

00:20:03.240 in the philadelphia yearly meeting records from 1700s show that when marriages were being approved so

00:20:09.120 they needed to be approved they focused on the couple's commitment to quaker principles their

00:20:13.380 clearness from other relationships their ability to support themselves through honest manual labor

00:20:18.360 and their plain way of living you had to be extra plain in john willman's journal mid 1700s he wrote

00:20:25.800 about marriage in terms of spiritual compatibility and shared commitment to quaker values when describing

00:20:31.340 his own marriage to sarah ellis he focused entirely on her quote grave and modest deportment

00:20:37.080 i love that she had a very grave deportment so you know she's a high quality woman not like her 1.00

00:20:44.200 butts nice or anything like that this woman let me tell you she sounds like the the like joke comedy 1.00

00:20:51.120 skit version of a puritan woman yes a very but this was quakers okay so keep in mind the quakers are the 0.99

00:20:56.920 ones who are all about like grave and honest everything like that they wanted honest plainness the puritans 0.57

00:21:01.560 wanted industry and intellectual conversation so very different here actually they're sort of similar but

00:21:06.460 very different he wanted a woman who was esteemed as a dutiful daughter a careful and loving sister

00:21:12.380 which is is is really really interesting is that the the quakers wanted plainness they wanted simplicity

00:21:21.900 they wanted a level of graveness all of this was like socially edifying for them whereas the puritans 1.00

00:21:28.820 were much more interested in their personal relation with the wife and how the wife would contribute to

00:21:32.680 their income basically i want her to be good with finances good with work around the house good at 0.91

00:21:38.420 managing the servants i want her to be able to have good intellectual conversations and this is one of

00:21:42.760 the cultures that simone and i are descended from and and the other culture we're descended from is a

00:21:47.420 backwoods culture which i'll get to right here so we know that thomas epherson said that he he wanted

00:21:52.400 them to be that they were robust and had a to bear fatigue that's what they were judged on primarily

00:21:59.240 and as we mentioned with daniel boone he said of his wife she could shoot as well as any man as i've mentioned

00:22:04.720 martial prowess it was really important in these cultures this is ability to defend themselves ability to

00:22:09.780 defend the homestead because as i was told growing up is you know one of the descendants of part of this

00:22:14.700 culture is weak women make weak sons and this is very different from the way the southern culture saw this 0.86

00:22:19.980 which we'll get to in a second this was a greater appalachian cultural group or the backwoods

00:22:24.620 cultural group of america and so early american folk songs and stories from the frontier regions

00:22:29.800 praised women for being strong enough to help with field work capable of defending the homestead able

00:22:35.060 to bear children under harsh conditions and skilled at practical tasks like spinning weaving and preserving

00:22:40.180 food and as you saw from the book we read about my grandfather he talked about this he said that my

00:22:45.440 mother could make a meal that a a skilled chemist could not improve upon and that she could spin you know 0.99

00:22:52.680 as the best of them and very interested in like my mom could do better wifing tasks and the best 1.00

00:22:58.920 scientists and industrialists of our era could do and as i mentioned you know sam kenton he said of

00:23:04.320 daniel boone's wife that she could keep the farm and defend it and handle a rifle with the best of them 1.00

00:23:08.520 but we actually see this in other areas so in several accounts in the draper manuscript a collection of

00:23:14.580 frontier histories and interviews they mention women as being particularly valued for ability to man a 0.98

00:23:21.580 defensive position during raids process game and preserve meat handle firearms competently manage

00:23:29.140 livestock independently and so this is why i think when you look about like the descendants of the

00:23:34.860 greater appalachian culture while you see like the noodling girl and stuff like that this is a girl who

00:23:39.820 catches a giant catfish but you see the women hunters as this esteemed group that you're supposed to 1.00

00:23:44.860 like oh this this is what the perfect wife is it's a woman in camo who knows how to shoot who knows how 1.00

00:23:49.540 to defend her property very different from what you would think of the old southern value which is

00:23:54.160 like the female aristocrat of the deep south yes although i think that these standards also and even

00:23:59.680 our standards for partners now are a big reflection of the society that surrounds them i mean what you

00:24:04.560 see here are indications that these are people living in a society with low i guess low trust or high

00:24:10.860 levels of violence or what is it called like vigilante justice you know people are expecting

00:24:15.160 i literally would not disagree more with what you're saying right now well i mean while

00:24:19.520 if you count your examples across the board also society hold on in which people are expected to

00:24:26.600 process their own food so this is like a low industrialized society versus like areas that

00:24:31.260 were more we'll say in like early proto-industrialized where women were more expected to be able to like 1.00

00:24:37.780 manage accounts well manage their finances like let's completely destroy your argument with historical

00:24:43.580 and modern examples so as a modern example we can look at many societies that are low trust very

00:24:51.600 violent very clannish like the middle east where women are expected to shut up do what they're told 0.87

00:24:59.000 and are definitely not valued for their ability to fight use guns beat up other women 1.00

00:25:05.240 to their surrounding societies but i still think that the standards of an ideal partner reflect

00:25:12.740 their surrounding society well and i'm pointing out that this isn't true so if you look in modern

00:25:17.600 context which is the descendants of the greater appellation cultural group where we have pointed out

00:25:23.120 before that they have modern wrestling context for competitions for women where women are very clearly 1.00

00:25:28.740 being this is not about like degrading them or something this is men being like the woman who can beat

00:25:34.720 up the other woman in a mud wrestling competition and you see these women are not holding back like in one of the 1.00

00:25:39.860 videos that i posted before one of the women looks like she's holding back a little and the other 0.99

00:25:43.100 woman just goes at it and slams her and the audience loves this 1.00

00:25:48.180 oh

00:25:52.180 oh

00:25:54.180 oh

00:25:56.180 hang on she's gotta pick someone 0.93

00:25:59.180 we're gonna get that count we got one two three

00:26:04.180 oh

00:26:06.180 oh

00:26:07.180 oh

00:26:08.180 oh

00:26:11.780 she's up she's gonna come on she's good she wants oh she wants out she wants out 0.98

00:26:18.580 oh

00:26:19.600 she wants oh no we're gonna go dude nicely done

00:26:22.020 this is a modern context the the the tv shows that these people grew up with the radio stations

00:26:28.340 these people grew up with the news they grew up with none of them lauded this this this is

00:26:33.180 This is completely due to either genetic selection for these forms of preferences or a cultural memory that goes back generations in terms of what a good wife is. 0.80

00:26:45.080 And you saying, oh, it's just what's around them.

00:26:47.900 This is like factually untrue.

00:26:50.640 Otherwise, what we would see is in the low trust Islamic out there regions right now where like ISIS is, they'd be like, oh, we want a woman who can fight, which is not what they want because they aren't a truly martial culture. 1.00

00:27:02.400 They are a culture that is a sort of ordered form of martialism, which we talk about in other videos.

00:27:06.900 You can see this in our other videos on this.

00:27:09.320 But yeah, that's not true.

00:27:11.540 Do you have a counter argument to that?

00:27:14.920 I just don't find your argument to be very compelling.

00:27:17.140 And I think that when you look at each of these cultures and you see the amenities of people.

00:27:21.600 Explain, if you don't find it compelling, explain how the Appalachian Cultural Group maintained this value without containing control of their media environment.

00:27:30.240 What do you mean control of their media environment?

00:27:31.940 They don't.

00:27:33.100 So Appalachian Cultural Group for generations first basically hasn't written books.

00:27:39.260 They don't produce movies.

00:27:41.000 They don't produce any form of like.

00:27:43.900 So when their kids are growing up and they're trying to normalize to what's culturally normal, they are reading books that are produced by whether it's Puritans during the past.

00:27:55.160 I think that's more of an argument in my favor.

00:27:56.800 That's an argument that you grow up to respect the fact that your mother can defend your home with a gun and that your mother can process meat because you are living.

00:28:04.760 You're much more likely to be living on a farm in a highly rural area without a butcher in town.

00:28:10.060 I wasn't living on a farm in a highly rural area.

00:28:12.220 And I still grew up respecting all of that.

00:28:15.580 All of this is about cultural transmission and not about the context of their daily life.

00:28:21.880 I hear that and I think that there is some inherited interplay.

00:28:28.640 Like we are realizing more and more with our kids that a lot of what we thought were just quirks of our personality are probably genetic.

00:28:36.900 Just like how insistently our kids are interested in things.

00:28:41.220 Your attraction profile, preference for a wife, everything like that is genetic and that it needs to be paired with a culture that works with them.

00:28:47.440 Yeah, but I think that these are downstream of selective pressures which were produced by their surroundings in society.

00:28:53.880 Yeah, obviously all selective pressures are produced for their society.

00:28:59.120 But the point I'm making is these things persist generations, like a hundred years after the selective pressures existed.

00:29:06.200 That's not that many generations, Malcolm.

00:29:08.920 That's a long time if you're talking about American history.

00:29:12.820 Yeah, but not if you're talking about the number of ancestors.

00:29:16.060 I mean, I understand if you're talking about the number of ancestors, but what you're acting like is that groups just basically cave to the surrounding cultural pressures when that's like objectively not true?

00:29:28.820 Well, no, but they also, keep in mind, they also select for similar cultural pressures.

00:29:33.760 So your family kept just migrating out to like new frontiers and trying to build around new civilizations going out to Texas.

00:29:40.360 Because my family made their way to California and tried to like, you know, go out to the frontier there and rebuild San Francisco after it burned down in 1908.

00:29:48.520 So like, again, like these things have an interplay.

00:29:51.960 And I think you're much more likely to find someone of Scots-Irish descent who maintains those cultural values if their family continued to lean into the environments that also leaned into the selective pressures that support those values.

00:30:04.880 Yes, you're definitely going to find that, which means you need to pay attention to that and how you choose your family environment.

00:30:13.340 But I think the point you were trying to make earlier is a lot of this is just cultural and it's not.

00:30:18.160 It's cultural, like modern pop cultural.

00:30:21.980 I wasn't saying it was cultural.

00:30:23.320 I was saying it was a product of their surrounding society that, for example, in Puritan, in the Puritan colonies, people needed devout, conscientious, sober wives because this was a highly religious settlement in which people lived in tight-knit communities in which people played different roles.

00:30:43.800 And you needed people who were very, like, who played the right role within their communities.

00:30:48.760 I really disagree with this.

00:30:50.120 All the stuff that you're talking about right now was an intentional cultural choice of the Puritans when they moved into these environments, which differentiated from the cultural choices that led to the genetics that led to things like the Quakers or the Southerners or the Appalachians.

00:31:05.960 And if you look at...

00:31:07.880 Again, I disagree.

00:31:08.760 So you haven't even gotten to the Southerner criteria, but, you know, this was...

00:31:12.660 What we're talking about is the second sons of the UK immigrating and trying to make their fortune. 0.95

00:31:19.000 These are people who came with wealth, they owned the land, so they went for ornamental lives.

00:31:24.640 And this is a product of the resources in their surroundings.

00:31:28.040 Everything.

00:31:28.660 So not just their mental profiles, but I think their physical genetic profiles.

00:31:33.520 If you look at Quaker women, it seems pretty obvious to me that they were selected by plainness. 1.00

00:31:40.000 Like, no shade on, like, the Quaker community, but this is a community that intergenerationally selected for plainness.

00:31:48.080 If you look at the Puritan community, you see, like, if you look at you, for example, Simone, your physical appearance, you do not look that different from the Puritans that you would have seen in art back in the day.

00:31:59.820 And I can put art on the screen here and people can see it.

00:32:01.440 You look a lot like them in your physical facial features, which are really focused on, one, like, intellectual conversational ability.

00:32:11.100 This is something that you were clearly selected for, and industriousness and looking industrious.

00:32:16.900 Like, you have a face that looks like a wife who's going to do a lot of work and not put up a fight. 1.00

00:32:23.220 But, like, I look at you, I'm like, oh, this is a woman who looks financially sound and industrious.

00:32:27.500 More than a rousing in a traditional sense.

00:32:30.700 If you look at what happened to the southern women, they became very ornamental in their looks. 1.00

00:32:37.560 These women are the most traditionally attractive within the United States.

00:32:41.020 I don't think most people would argue that.

00:32:42.800 And if you look at the Appalachian women, they became very robust compared to the other women.

00:32:47.620 And if you like tomboys, you're going to like the women that are produced by this culture. 1.00

00:32:51.360 And so I think that we also see this sort of etched into the characters.

00:32:54.800 And this is something that we try to ignore because everyone's focused on, like, ethnic differences instead of, like, interracial differences where we selected into these cultures.

00:33:04.860 And that, for example, if a woman looked like Simone, looked, like, industrious and prudent and intellectual, she would be, if she was born into a different culture.

00:33:15.000 Suppose she was born into the Appalachian culture, and my family lived alongside that culture, so we're, like, part descended from that culture.

00:33:20.960 You would have been selected into our family, right?

00:33:24.200 Like, really early on in that cultural period.

00:33:27.080 Or if you were born to a Quaker family, you might have found a higher quality husband was in a Puritan family because, and this is how you get these sort of genetic vortexes that happen really quickly culturally that can end up mattering a lot more than the ethnic cultural vortexes that everyone's so focused on.

00:33:41.860 But if we go back to what were the backwoods people looking for, okay?

00:33:45.980 So William Byrd II, while not strictly a frontierman, wrote in his journals about backcountry women he encountered, noting was approval how they could ride a stride and handle an axe as well as a needle.

00:33:58.900 So these are things that they were seen as good about them.

00:34:01.420 Can they handle an axe as well as a needle? 0.93

00:34:03.080 What was really interesting is Mary Ingalls, who escaped Native American captivity, was often praised in contemporary accounts for her, not for her appearance, but for her, quote, extraordinary constitution and ability to survive in extreme conditions.

00:34:16.080 So to be captured and to fight back about your capturers, remember I mentioned that, like, how do you choose a good wife?

00:34:22.580 Who gets in a good position during a raid?

00:34:24.380 Who can escape Native American captivity? 0.94

00:34:26.780 This is not what the other cultural groups were interested in, but martial prowess was the number one thing that they were looking for, toughness in a wife, a bearish fatigue, as he said.

00:34:37.420 So contemporary accounts of Betty Zane, who became a frontier hero for carrying gunpowder during the siege of Fort Henry in 1782, were widely shared as retold.

00:34:47.380 So this is a woman who is being praised within these cultures.

00:34:49.620 If you look at more modern iterations of women, you know, you don't just have the mud wrestlers of today. 1.00

00:34:54.560 You don't just have the noodler women of today. 1.00

00:35:05.260 You have individuals like Annie Oakley, who secured her husband by beating him in a duel.

00:35:12.780 So, and by Butler's own accounts, when he talked about what he liked about Annie Oakley, he emphasized her shooting and her practical skills, saying, quote, I fell in love with her courage and determination, not, you know, what she looked like or anything like that.

00:35:27.240 Any thoughts about the backwards people before we go to the southerners here? 1.00

00:35:30.840 I'm still just seeing the products of selective pressures of an environment.

00:35:38.720 But the selective pressures were a selected environment, so it doesn't make any difference.

00:35:43.660 No, they, I mean, okay, the Scots-Irish did not choose to go to the backwoods.

00:35:48.420 They were kind of forced in there by the Quakers who were like, get the hell out of here, you are not one of us. 1.00

00:35:52.600 That's not really true.

00:35:53.920 And they came over on, like, the cheese.

00:35:55.640 The Puritans, okay, let's talk about where every group chose to immigrate to because you are being just, like, I don't know, do you not remember?

00:36:03.900 No, no, no, I know the Puritans chose, like, the cold and rocky ground of New England. 0.91

00:36:10.000 So they specifically chose settlements that were very rocky because they were harder to plow because they wanted to emphasize industriousness in their daily life.

00:36:18.320 I mean, I don't know if I said, I feel like that's apocryphal.

00:36:21.800 It seems kind of weird.

00:36:23.380 I mean, there were some-

00:36:23.800 Oh, no, no, no, no, hold on.

00:36:24.620 And why did the backwoods people move to the areas where there were constant Klan conflicts?

00:36:31.900 Well, there were constant Klan conflicts among them even in Scotland.

00:36:35.840 Because they were moving from areas where there were constant Klan conflicts.

00:36:39.820 They created the nature of the environment.

00:36:42.500 The Appalachian Mountain area wasn't hostile because it was an innately hostile area or the Native Americans, there were more hostile than other Native Americans. 1.00

00:36:51.720 But they weren't.

00:36:53.620 No, they weren't.

00:36:54.620 They were hostile because the backwoods people were there fighting with the Native Americans and fighting with each other.

00:37:01.920 If you look at the pre-areas, the Native Americans in the Appalachian region were not more hostile before the backwoods people got there than any of the other Native American communities.

00:37:12.060 Yes, the backwoods people did act as a buffer zone that the Quakers sort of laid out in that region. 0.54

00:37:17.800 But the backwoods people also intentionally sorted into this region.

00:37:22.240 Well, anyway, it's important to note, as you mentioned, where, like, if a woman was disproportionately, you know, like, attractive to one of these groups or had attitudes that was disproportionately attractive to one of these groups, she was likely to marry into them, which leads to this vortex.

00:37:40.220 But also, if an individual is born to a Quaker group and they are more martial, they are more interested in being rowdy and fighting and, you know, maybe like girls who are rowdy and fighting and everything like that, they're going to move out of that community and into the backwoods. 0.97

00:37:57.780 If a Quaker was born less, like, focused on their status, less focused on how other people saw them, and was more interested in intellectualism for intellectualism's own sake, they're going to move to the Puritan community. 1.00

00:38:14.860 They're interested in being an ornamental white, they're going to move to the Deep South community. 0.87

00:38:19.580 This is the way these things work and create-

00:38:22.300 I feel like you're overstating the social mobility of that time.

00:38:25.440 You don't need to overstate the social mobility because all of these groups lived adjacent to each other.

00:38:31.440 So even if you don't have pure social mobility, you're going to have a degree of genetic social osmosis, which is going to strengthen every one of these groups within these regions.

00:38:42.560 And if you talk about, like, the Southern, you're like, oh, it's just an accident that the aristocrats from England moved to the part of the United States where slave cropping worked. 0.51

00:38:52.040 The people who had never worked a day in their lives wanted to move and create a culture where they didn't have to work a day in their lives.

00:38:57.660 No, that wasn't an accident.

00:38:59.500 That literally was how they sorted because they weren't one of these other groups, and that's the way they wanted to live their lives.

00:39:06.300 What you're missing is you're looking at, like, the backwoods region, or you're looking at the Puritan region,

00:39:12.040 and you're saying that these regions motivated these cultural traits, when in reality it's the exact opposite.

00:39:20.460 Cultural traits motivated the groups that settled in these regions, not the other way around.

00:39:25.920 When the original descendants of the Cavaliers were looking for a place to set up within the United States,

00:39:33.180 they had colonies in the Northeast as well.

00:39:36.080 Remember, they thought they could, like, find gold there and stuff.

00:39:38.620 But they didn't end up staying in those regions because they weren't able to build an easy life for themselves,

00:39:43.600 which is what they wanted, an easy life based on slaves or whatever else.

00:39:47.740 So you're over...

00:39:49.060 You're also...

00:39:50.560 So New England was good for, like, small-scale agriculture, which is exactly what the small Puritan communities wanted, 0.94

00:39:57.720 whereas what the Cavaliers were going for was, like, large-scale industrial farming, which the South was good for.

00:40:04.800 Exactly. But the point I'm making is that their culture was not downstream of their environment.

00:40:12.120 Their environment was downstream of their culture.

00:40:15.340 And you are implying that the environmental conditions shaped the culture instead of the opposite,

00:40:21.860 which is what really happened.

00:40:23.260 And that better explains that cultures are actually much more durable,

00:40:28.240 both genetically and intergenerationally, in terms of how you should find a wife

00:40:32.000 or how you should think about wives or anything like that, than you would think.

00:40:34.760 And if you're growing up in a modern context,

00:40:36.800 and you are attempting to slap whatever you think of as generic masculinity

00:40:41.680 onto a genetic cultural framework that wasn't built for that,

00:40:46.280 you are going to fail.

00:40:47.660 This is why, and we'll do another episode on this in the future,

00:40:50.680 in East Asia, Christians, despite their high fertility rate in other communities,

00:40:55.840 actually have a lower average fertility rate than Buddhists in these communities.

00:41:00.560 What? Why?

00:41:01.740 It's because they haven't genetically worked together for many generations,

00:41:07.500 and they don't mesh well.

00:41:09.760 You have everything from how you find a wife, to what you find attractive,

00:41:13.460 to what you like in a partner, to what you want to do as your wife, 0.71

00:41:16.820 to how you want to handle your business or start a business.

00:41:19.720 All of this is a genetic cultural pool that you need to take into account

00:41:23.740 when you're thinking about this.

00:41:25.300 And this idea of, oh, just ban porn or just ban contraception 0.97

00:41:28.660 is so pig-headed and wrong if you're looking at, like, actual American history, 0.96

00:41:33.120 which is the point I'm making here. 0.96

00:41:34.740 Okay.

00:41:35.380 So if we're going to the Deep South, what did they care about?

00:41:38.640 As she, you know, we've been talking about.

00:41:40.320 So Landon Carter's diary includes entries about potential matches for his children,

00:41:44.780 where he discussed things like breeding, genteel manners,

00:41:48.100 and he noted one woman's graceful carriage

00:41:51.060 and how she was well taught in the accomplishments proper to her station.

00:41:56.460 Robert Carter, also known as King Carter of Virginia,

00:41:59.240 wrote letters about potential matches for his children

00:42:01.180 that emphasize the importance of, quote-unquote, good breeding

00:42:03.520 and being from the better sort.

00:42:05.960 In one of his letters discussing potential marriage,

00:42:08.460 he noted approvingly that the young lady was, quote-unquote,

00:42:11.220 well-bred and dances was exceeding grace.

00:42:14.000 Lucy Pike Brid was described in contemporary accounts

00:42:17.680 of having, quote, beauty and accomplishments.

00:42:21.060 And that made her a desirable match.

00:42:23.300 Her marriage negotiations, as recorded in various letters,

00:42:25.820 emphasized her education in, quote, refined arts

00:42:28.200 and her ability to manage a grand household in the proper style. 0.75

00:42:32.540 And you'll note here,

00:42:33.780 so these women were lauded for something very different from the other women.

00:42:38.460 It was when they care about their education.

00:42:41.160 So when the Puritans talked about education,

00:42:43.160 what are they always talking about?

00:42:44.760 It's how good of a conversational partner.

00:42:47.020 Was she able to engage me in in-depth religious discussion

00:42:50.900 or literature discussion?

00:42:52.380 Where in the South, it's,

00:42:54.180 does she have knowledge of the refined arts? 0.97

00:42:56.180 Like, is she able to signal her class status well?

00:42:59.140 Is she of the better sort?

00:43:01.100 Is she beautiful?

00:43:02.620 Can she dance gracefully? 1.00

00:43:04.260 Very, very, very different sort of a thing to look for in a breeding partner.

00:43:09.600 The Southern Cavalier culture presented a notable contrast

00:43:12.260 with Puritan and frontier attitudes.

00:43:14.040 In Cavalier culture, such as the American South,

00:43:15.860 particularly among the planter class,

00:43:17.640 there was much more emphasis on physical beauty,

00:43:19.800 refinement, and social graces in describing potential wives.

00:43:23.420 William Birx II's diaries in early 18th century Virginia

00:43:27.080 provide a good example of this.

00:43:28.840 Unlike his descriptions of backcountry woman,

00:43:32.340 when writing about potential matches in his own social class,

00:43:34.960 he frequently mentioned the women's appearance,

00:43:37.760 dancing ability, and social graces.

00:43:39.800 He described one potential match as having,

00:43:42.100 a very good shape and a great deal of wit, end quote.

00:43:45.340 Philip Vickens, a tutor in Virginia in the 1770s,

00:43:49.200 wrote detailed observations of how young women

00:43:51.220 in planter society were evaluated.

00:43:53.280 His journals note how young ladies were praised

00:43:55.400 for their grace in dancing, beauty in department,

00:43:58.620 skill in music and entertainment,

00:44:00.840 ability to manage social occasions,

00:44:02.880 and accomplishments, where accomplishments were designed

00:44:04.840 as things like French music and drawing.

00:44:07.600 The diary of Colonel Landon Carter,

00:44:09.640 a prominent Virginia planter,

00:44:11.320 has numerous appearances to ladies' appearance

00:44:13.680 and social graces that you would never find

00:44:16.080 in Puritan or Quaker or even backwoods culture,

00:44:19.400 which I find really interesting.

00:44:22.180 And I think that as we think about

00:44:24.320 how can we motivate high fertility within our own society,

00:44:28.300 it's really important to note

00:44:29.800 that within American culture, at least historically,

00:44:33.500 high fertility, both in a modern context

00:44:36.500 and in a historic context,

00:44:37.620 was almost never motivated by arousal.

00:44:41.860 Yeah, there's, I mean, okay, you've demonstrated

00:44:45.980 that across cultures, there are very, very different criteria,

00:44:48.740 but none of these are like, how hot is she?

00:44:52.180 It may be, how much can she signal

00:44:55.080 that she came from landed gentry,

00:44:57.240 or how much can she signal...

00:44:59.240 The culture that cares about hotness, the Southern culture...

00:45:01.740 That's not even hotness.

00:45:02.580 That's not even hotness.

00:45:03.500 There was, I mean, it was about good posture,

00:45:05.640 but that is a reflection of training.

00:45:06.400 It's more like beauty and class, yeah.

00:45:08.640 Yeah, it's a reflection of investment

00:45:10.820 in costly signaling that is a sign of wealth.

00:45:14.240 So yeah, even the culture that we would argue

00:45:17.120 is the most aesthetically oriented,

00:45:18.840 it doesn't even have to do with being attractive.

00:45:22.560 So that's really interesting.

00:45:24.020 And I think that it leads to people

00:45:27.580 to make massive mistakes

00:45:29.360 in how they're treating this situation

00:45:31.020 is that humanity, most of humanity,

00:45:34.400 decoupled arousal from the number of kids you have

00:45:38.240 centuries ago, millennia ago.

00:45:41.500 And yet men today are like,

00:45:44.040 how are you going to motivate sex

00:45:45.480 if you have access to pornography

00:45:47.560 or if you have another way to, like...

00:45:50.300 Yeah, this was never the issue.

00:45:52.000 This was never the issue.

00:45:54.020 Exactly.

00:45:54.860 And I also wonder if maybe these groups

00:45:57.400 are less susceptible to pornography.

00:46:00.440 So one of the things I've noticed about groups,

00:46:02.280 I've mentioned this, that are...

00:46:04.480 Because one thing we've noted in previous episodes

00:46:06.600 is that you really only see problems

00:46:07.760 with pornography addiction

00:46:08.620 in individuals who attempt to, like,

00:46:11.260 keep pornography away from themselves

00:46:12.820 or, like, regulate the ways

00:46:14.600 that they interact with pornography.

00:46:16.020 And I've been like, well,

00:46:17.140 I've been really dismissive of it.

00:46:18.880 But I've also noted that it was in Puritan culture,

00:46:21.020 there is a note that as the culture began to degrade,

00:46:24.020 and culture that was really teetotaling,

00:46:26.020 like, really anti-alcohol,

00:46:27.520 then became some of the most alcoholic culture there was.

00:46:32.120 I've noticed the classic thing about Baptists, 1.00

00:46:33.920 primitive Baptists, which is a type of Calvinist.

00:46:35.980 The line from where I grew up is, like,

00:46:38.940 Jews deny Christ, Catholics deny... 0.99

00:46:43.400 I can't remember, something offensive.

00:46:45.420 And Baptists deny knowing each other at the liquor store. 0.99

00:46:48.320 It was the idea being that

00:46:49.340 drinking a lot is really common in this cultural group,

00:46:52.300 and it's really common in both of our families.

00:46:54.220 And we've had a couple generations

00:46:56.020 to basically come to terms with this,

00:46:58.160 so we can handle it now.

00:47:00.160 Whereas, to an extent,

00:47:02.180 I mean, I still take Naltrexone to handle it.

00:47:04.120 If I look at the cultures 0.87

00:47:05.220 that may be struggling the most with pornography,

00:47:06.980 they may be groups that had historic bans

00:47:08.680 against stuff like this

00:47:10.220 and motivated reproduction through fertility, 0.97

00:47:12.520 like Mormon communities, 0.99

00:47:13.400 which is where you hear about the most problems

00:47:15.120 with porn addiction and stuff like that.

00:47:17.140 It might just be that they don't have

00:47:18.180 a genetic resistance to it

00:47:19.600 that would have been built up by other communities.

00:47:23.940 That's plausible.

00:47:25.180 Yeah.

00:47:26.200 One of the things you said to me is you were like,

00:47:28.400 look, once you're married and an adult,

00:47:30.100 like, basically, nobody over 35 is having kids.

00:47:33.300 Not even over 35.

00:47:34.420 Nobody, I'd say, over 28 is having kids

00:47:37.220 because of arousal issues.

00:47:40.080 Oh, yeah.

00:47:40.440 Yeah, because of impulse control around sex.

00:47:43.340 Yeah.

00:47:44.440 Yeah.

00:47:44.600 I guess the one exception where I feel like

00:47:48.080 we still see this taking place is with Mormons 1.00

00:47:50.360 because they can't have sex outside of marriage

00:47:54.080 and they are encouraged to get married really young

00:47:56.640 and many do, like, expedite marriage

00:47:59.620 because they're kind of eager.

00:48:02.540 And they do have, I mean, at least historically,

00:48:05.720 they've had better birth rates.

00:48:07.720 I feel like things are kind of falling apart there,

00:48:10.740 but that's the only example I can really think of

00:48:13.660 where sex drive is playing a factor in fertility. 1.00

00:48:17.340 When we talk about, you know, culturally or genetically,

00:48:20.280 like, some individuals have been like, 0.95

00:48:22.380 oh, you guys are really gross 0.99

00:48:23.760 in that you create your children 1.00

00:48:25.640 outside of the mom and dad having sex, right?

00:48:31.500 Because we use IVF, we use genetic selection,

00:48:33.700 stuff like that.

00:48:34.260 And I'm like, oh, my God.

00:48:36.520 Like, I have the exact opposite inclination,

00:48:39.040 which is what is grosser than knowing 0.99

00:48:40.860 that I'm a product of my mom and dad having sex. 0.99

00:48:43.160 Yeah, seriously. 0.99

00:48:44.040 Come on, guys.

00:48:44.380 It seems really disgusting.

00:48:45.780 And then you read these ancient Puritan writings

00:48:48.160 where they're like,

00:48:49.820 sex should only be engaged in with moderation 0.95

00:48:53.020 and only to produce children.

00:48:55.440 It was clear that these were not individuals

00:48:57.820 who they would have had a more,

00:49:01.040 I'd say, temperate reaction

00:49:02.920 to, like, gleeously enjoying sexuality,

00:49:09.700 which some groups have attempted to do

00:49:11.700 to increase the fertility rate,

00:49:13.160 where I see a lot of,

00:49:14.940 you see this in, like, for example,

00:49:16.540 some Jewish groups

00:49:17.220 where they're, like, trying to make sexuality,

00:49:18.800 like, fun and, like, enjoyable.

00:49:21.500 And they're like, oh, yes,

00:49:22.620 you really need to take joy.

00:49:23.840 When it's like these classic Puritans, 1.00

00:49:25.680 they were like, no, like, sex is a duty.

00:49:28.120 Like, schedule it, okay?

00:49:29.800 Do what you have to do.

00:49:30.820 The point is kids.

00:49:32.120 You can really almost hear them 0.88

00:49:33.300 sort of sighing under their breasts.

00:49:34.640 It's like, I know.

00:49:35.960 And I think that if we deny these differences

00:49:41.660 or specializations around having kids,

00:49:44.120 we're going to have a huge time

00:49:45.500 motivating increasing fertility rate

00:49:48.400 within people of different predilections.

00:49:49.940 And if you don't know who your ancestors were,

00:49:51.600 you should at least be able to search yourself

00:49:53.800 for your own predilections

00:49:54.720 and understand that

00:49:55.780 maybe you are not a good candidate

00:49:59.680 to motivate having lots of kids

00:50:01.600 because you don't have access

00:50:02.540 to any other way to get off.

00:50:03.660 Or maybe you are not a good candidate

00:50:06.460 for any other way.

00:50:07.500 Maybe you would only have a lot of kids

00:50:09.360 if you were young and reckless

00:50:10.520 and had all other means

00:50:12.120 of getting off denied to you.

00:50:13.440 And I think it's this degree of self-knowledge,

00:50:15.880 which is really important,

00:50:17.580 that is sort of erased today

00:50:19.820 because of this belief of Blake Slade-ism

00:50:21.600 and all humans are the same

00:50:22.800 when we're not.

00:50:24.680 Yeah.

00:50:25.080 Anyway, love you to the next episode.

00:50:26.200 We can go to the next episode

00:50:27.140 on Chinese people being the new Jews. 0.84

00:50:33.480 Thank you for keeping me entertained, Malcolm.

00:50:35.940 That is your duty as a husband.

00:50:39.280 Do I entertain you as a husband?

00:50:41.060 I am entertained.

00:50:42.680 I am entertained.

00:50:44.260 I will let you live another night

00:50:46.020 in this house.

00:50:48.420 Yeah, final thoughts.

00:50:49.160 Just, yeah, I totally agree with you.

00:50:51.200 And once again,

00:50:52.780 we are highly disappointed

00:50:54.120 by people who think that somehow

00:50:57.240 it makes sense to ban porn

00:51:00.140 and ban condoms 0.94

00:51:01.280 and all this other nonsense.

00:51:02.800 If you want to lose our respect

00:51:05.080 for your intellectual capabilities

00:51:07.340 really quickly,

00:51:09.020 just come up to us

00:51:10.060 and be like,

00:51:11.800 why don't we just ban condoms? 0.82

00:51:13.640 Well, I think that this works

00:51:15.200 within communities

00:51:16.120 that historically use this

00:51:17.500 to motivate high fertility,

00:51:18.660 but you need to be strict

00:51:19.880 in how you do it

00:51:20.520 and you can't use the government.

00:51:22.020 As we pointed out,

00:51:22.780 for example,

00:51:23.460 Catholic communities,

00:51:24.460 when they are minorities

00:51:25.480 in other countries

00:51:26.360 have a much higher fertility rate

00:51:27.620 than when the majority

00:51:28.480 was in their country.

00:51:29.520 Yeah, tend to your own flock.

00:51:30.780 You've got to have

00:51:31.400 that internal strong community.

00:51:33.180 And if you don't have that,

00:51:34.000 then yeah,

00:51:34.820 when you outsource it

00:51:36.340 to your government,

00:51:36.980 all that internal strength

00:51:38.040 just goes away.

00:51:40.180 It's no good.

00:51:41.400 By the way,

00:51:41.800 if you're wondering

00:51:42.360 why we're not mentioning

00:51:43.140 early American Catholics,

00:51:44.240 because they basically didn't exist.

00:51:45.540 They were like 1.2%

00:51:46.840 of the American population

00:51:47.860 or might be like 1.5%

00:51:49.080 at the time of the revolution.

00:51:50.300 People were like,

00:51:50.580 what about Maryland?

00:51:51.200 That was a Catholic colony.

00:51:52.240 No, Maryland was only

00:51:53.260 around 10% Catholic.

00:51:54.660 Catholics basically didn't exist 1.00

00:51:56.320 until the Irish 0.98

00:51:56.860 and Italian immigrant waves.

00:51:58.340 The great replacement

00:51:59.060 already happened.

00:51:59.880 See our episode on that.

00:52:01.240 Love you to that, Simone.

00:52:02.380 Love you too, Malcolm.

00:52:04.100 You already have the other links,

00:52:05.500 so I'll just see you in there.

00:52:08.240 So on Reddit,

00:52:09.120 they were before the Super Bowl,

00:52:10.400 they were like,

00:52:10.860 oh, Trump's going to get booed

00:52:12.320 at the Super Bowl.

00:52:13.140 It's going to be awful.

00:52:14.320 I predict this is like

00:52:15.320 the top post on Reddit.

00:52:16.420 Trump at the Super Bowl

00:52:17.520 then gets cheered by everyone.

00:52:19.460 Taylor Swift gets booed.

00:52:21.240 What?

00:52:21.820 Wait,

00:52:22.000 why did Taylor Swift get booed? 0.96

00:52:24.160 I think just because

00:52:25.000 she's so even like normie. 0.98

00:52:27.120 Was the person

00:52:27.960 that she's dating,

00:52:30.140 was he on the team

00:52:31.880 that lost?

00:52:32.580 The people were not,

00:52:34.200 you know,

00:52:34.580 excited.

00:52:36.460 I loved Octavian's commentary

00:52:38.400 on the Super Bowl.

00:52:41.460 What do you have to say?

00:52:42.660 Well,

00:52:43.180 I have video of it.

00:52:44.720 He

00:52:45.060 refers to it as soccer.

00:52:47.820 He told me that,

00:52:48.960 you know,

00:52:49.360 the Eagles should win,

00:52:51.300 that they're great,

00:52:52.280 and that the other team,

00:52:53.720 maybe he called it

00:52:54.480 the red team.

00:52:55.600 He kept saying,

00:52:56.420 we don't know

00:52:56.800 what they're doing.

00:52:58.080 We don't know

00:52:58.820 what they're doing.

00:52:59.760 I'm like,

00:53:03.360 well,

00:53:03.540 what is their mascot?

00:53:04.760 What are they?

00:53:05.260 And he's like,

00:53:05.760 I don't know.

00:53:06.740 It was,

00:53:07.300 it was really sweet.

00:53:08.120 Remember when he came home,

00:53:09.100 like literally wearing

00:53:10.060 an Eagles hat?

00:53:11.060 I don't remember ever

00:53:12.740 in my public school

00:53:14.680 there being discussion

00:53:15.800 of sports.

00:53:17.800 So I grew up in Dallas

00:53:19.340 and this is when the Cowboys

00:53:20.540 like won the Super Bowl

00:53:21.720 or whatever it's called.

00:53:22.860 Did they do the Super Bowl?

00:53:24.400 Anyway,

00:53:24.940 yeah,

00:53:25.120 they,

00:53:25.540 everyone would always be like,

00:53:26.380 oh,

00:53:26.600 what do you think of them Cowboys

00:53:28.140 when I like travel

00:53:29.120 to other places?

00:53:30.180 yeah,

00:53:30.920 I don't,

00:53:32.000 I don't know.

00:53:33.160 They're good.

00:53:33.560 Whatever happened

00:53:34.240 to the Dallas?

00:53:35.040 Oh,

00:53:35.240 you know what?

00:53:35.820 Now I feel like

00:53:36.580 the Dallas Cowboys

00:53:37.460 are actually more famous

00:53:38.460 for their cheerleaders

00:53:39.360 than they are for

00:53:40.420 they were famous

00:53:41.440 for their cheerleaders

00:53:42.140 when I was a kid.

00:53:43.280 Yeah,

00:53:43.440 their cheerleaders are, 0.79

00:53:44.340 yeah,

00:53:44.700 but there was recently

00:53:45.480 a Netflix documentary

00:53:46.820 about them.

00:53:47.460 So then,

00:53:48.460 okay.

00:53:49.140 That's what people think.

Based Camp - February 12, 2025

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