Based Camp - Apologizing Makes Women & Lefties Hate You： Why？

00:00:00.000 So who really, really, really punishes in approval people who make apologies about things?

00:00:07.180 It is liberals, where the result was 13.8, and even more than liberals, females, where the result was 16.3.

00:00:16.100 Would you like to know more?

00:00:17.660 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.

00:00:20.780 Today came to me from a Cremieux post that I was reading on X.

00:00:26.060 Nice.

00:00:26.360 And honestly, I didn't get this from XA. I got it from Facebook.

00:00:30.800 But somebody else screenshotted an X post by Cremieux, friend of the show, who said, you know who wrote a paper on this?

00:00:38.320 So specifically, he's talking to a guy who, there was some conference called BasedCon.

00:00:44.460 And this guy, John Carmack, backed out of BasedCon because it had become too controversial or right-wing, you know, from his perspective.

00:00:53.280 So what he says is, it is unfortunate that Rob has made BasedCon so intentionally provocative.

00:00:58.900 Well, it's not called NormieCon. Come on.

00:01:02.120 I feel a little uncomfortable after the events of last year.

00:01:05.680 You know, just whining, basically, that people too controversial, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:01:10.140 And then apologizing for having any involvement with it.

00:01:13.920 And Cremieux's like, what are you doing? Do not apologize.

00:01:17.600 And then he goes, do you know who actually wrote a paper on this?

00:01:19.980 At Richard Hanania. Been on the show before, by the way.

00:01:22.540 Fans don't like it very much after he turned on Trump.

00:01:24.260 But he's done interesting research.

00:01:25.780 Anyway, he found that when people presented with apologizing instead of standing firm,

00:01:32.980 women and liberals were more likely to want to punish them. 1.00

00:01:36.060 So I'm going to get into the abstract of the study, and then we're going to look at how different groups reacted to this.

00:01:42.740 And then after that, we're going to go into all of the other research on apologizing

00:01:45.980 that will generally show that when you should apologize, and that generally, at least in a public context,

00:01:51.900 it is a bad idea to apologize.

00:01:53.820 If people are using, attempting to get you to apologize as a weapon against you,

00:01:59.640 i.e., you know, apologize or else a bad thing will happen to you,

00:02:04.180 it always gets worse when you apologize.

00:02:07.660 Apologize when you're actually made a mistake.

00:02:10.500 Not when people are pushing you.

00:02:12.680 Unless you are 100% okay with flipping 100%, like basically which team you're paying.

00:02:17.920 What do you mean by apologize when you're mid-mistake?

00:02:20.440 So a great example of this is often used in business case studies.

00:02:25.060 I think it was Tylenol or one of the medical companies.

00:02:28.260 Oh! 0.60

00:02:28.700 Who needs a product that was actually harmful to people.

00:02:31.800 And then they did this big apology and removed at a huge cost very quickly all of their products from the shelves.

00:02:39.360 And it increased trust in the company a ton.

00:02:42.400 Right.

00:02:42.800 Yeah, I think that's more like if you've made a legitimate mistake that you wouldn't want to stand by, own it, fix it right away.

00:02:52.160 Yeah, own it and fix it right away.

00:02:53.800 So I'm not of the camp of never apologize, but apologize when you did something that was a mistake,

00:03:00.160 not when somebody has been like, oh, did you know X person was at that conference?

00:03:04.180 And this is something that we personally went through.

00:03:06.940 So if you look at the peronadals. 0.73

00:03:08.380 Went through, go through, all the freaking time.

00:03:11.980 Or people we've had on our shows.

00:03:14.180 Is people will call us and try to get us to attack people we have had on the shows for things they have done in other places.

00:03:21.900 Or the conference, the peronadals conference or the people who talk there, right?

00:03:25.480 Or, and I will note, like, off the record, I took Kevin Dolan, who organizes it aside, and Simone knows this.

00:03:34.080 Like, I had like an hour and a half argument with him.

00:03:35.880 It's not off the record if you're saying this.

00:03:37.740 No, no, no, no.

00:03:38.420 But I mean, like, I wasn't in public about this, right?

00:03:41.780 No.

00:03:42.300 Being like, we should have more restriction on who can attend so we don't get people who could hurt other attendees at the event.

00:03:49.160 That was very much my opinion.

00:03:51.240 Like, my opinion was, we need to be more restrictive about this, right?

00:03:55.900 Not in reaction to people attacking us or with an apology.

00:04:00.280 Just like, let's not give them the opportunity to drive this wedge or say, you know, Malcolm, who appeared alongside figures like X and Y, right?

00:04:09.140 And he was just like, absolutely not.

00:04:11.040 We're not going to do that.

00:04:12.200 At the end of the day, I see the peronadalist movement and everything we do is very much a team effort.

00:04:16.740 And if he is putting in the risk and personal capital to make something like this happen, he gets to have the final call on stuff like that, even if I'm going to help financially back him.

00:04:28.280 And we have a lot of respect, like, for the principle of it.

00:04:31.600 Like, we have a lot of practical qualms about it because we know that, you know, there will be certain groups that will never go to a conference as long as it has a reputation like that.

00:04:41.800 And we hate that, for example, many governments wouldn't send representatives to a conference like this because of those characteristics.

00:04:50.380 So from a pragmatic standpoint, that's why you brought it up.

00:04:54.200 But from a philosophical standpoint, yeah, we don't like the idea of any form of censorship or restriction.

00:05:00.620 But he took this stance very firmly.

00:05:03.520 And I respect that.

00:05:04.700 I respect that.

00:05:05.320 Yeah, the moment he took this stance and said, this is the direction we're going as a conference, we never publicly attacked him for that.

00:05:12.720 We never publicly attacked any of the other people who were at the conference.

00:05:16.040 We never said anything other than the media is being crazy about this.

00:05:19.540 You know, they're overstating things.

00:05:21.660 You know, what am I supposed to do?

00:05:22.580 Like, run out of a conference because some controversial person shows up or some homophobic person shows up, right?

00:05:27.120 Like, I'm going to be there.

00:05:29.060 Like, and even so, like, I remember somebody told me that the guy who was running it, and this is why we can't back down on this stuff.

00:05:35.880 And why we do need to present a united face once a decision has been made behind closed doors.

00:05:41.340 Which is to say, somebody told me that Kevin Dolan, the guy who ran the conference, was homophobic.

00:05:45.440 And I was like, I don't remember him being homophobic.

00:05:47.560 And they're like, well, he's against gays getting married.

00:05:49.940 And I'm like, he's in Mormon. 0.85

00:05:51.480 Like, of course he's against gays.

00:05:53.160 What are you, are you not allowed to be Mormon? 0.94

00:05:55.680 Like, that seems way more offensive, right?

00:05:59.340 And this is-

00:06:00.300 Yeah, let's just stop the practice of religious freedom. 0.96

00:06:03.760 Yeah, well, because they expand their sort of umbrella of safety, right?

00:06:10.560 Of things they can push back by continuing to gain ground in terms of the apologies that they demand.

00:06:16.820 And so what I'm making here is you can disagree with the anyone should be allowed to talk at this conference thing, like this John Carmack guy clearly did.

00:06:24.200 But you have those conversations offline and whiz people.

00:06:28.220 And if you fail to persuade them, it means your arguments weren't good enough, and then stay as a team, right?

00:06:36.680 Because we need to have our backs against each other and know that we can trust each other.

00:06:41.900 And that when you attempt to appease this other group, as we'll see from the data we're going to get into in a second, you don't actually make them like you more or endear them to you.

00:06:49.900 You, in fact, make them want you to suffer more.

00:06:53.000 You, specifically, the one who apologized to suffer more.

00:06:55.560 So in the abstract to this particular study, it's called Does Apologizing Work?

00:07:01.120 An Empirical Test of the Conventional Wisdom.

00:07:03.980 Public figures often apologize after making controversial statements.

00:07:07.320 There are reasons to believe, however, that apologizing makes public figures appear weak and risk-averse,

00:07:11.860 which may make them less likable and lead members of the public to want to punish them.

00:07:16.360 This paper presents the results of an experiment in which respondents were given two versions of real-life controversies involving public figures.

00:07:26.440 Approximately half of the participants read a story that made it appear as if the person had apologized,

00:07:32.520 while the rest were led to believe that the individual had stood firm.

00:07:36.080 In the first experiment, hearing that Rand Paul apologized for his comments on civil rights

00:07:41.800 did not change whether respondents were likely to vote for him.

00:07:44.940 When presented with two versions of the controversy surrounding Larry Summer in his comments on women scientists and engineers,

00:07:51.580 however, liberals and females were more likely to say he showed that he should face negative consequences for his statement

00:07:58.940 when presented with his apology.

00:08:01.480 The effects on other groups were smaller or neutral.

00:08:04.560 The effect suggests, and this is very, very, very interesting.

00:08:08.160 So the conservative figure, right, who went too far in a liberal perspective here,

00:08:15.680 they were not punished for apologizing.

00:08:19.440 But the liberal figure that Larry Summers, who I think ran Harvard and said that, you know,

00:08:25.460 women are biologically different from men, who went too far in a conservative direction, 0.98

00:08:30.080 was punished for apologizing and only by specific demographics.

00:08:34.600 So, you know, and I'll put this on screen here, if you look at the table where they go over the results,

00:08:40.120 it's really fascinating.

00:08:41.760 So the groups that punished the apologizer more than the person who stood by their response,

00:08:47.620 males, the difference was only 0.1.

00:08:49.840 There was slightly more punishment for the apologizer, but virtually statistically insignificant, right?

00:08:54.560 And I note here that in every one of the groups, the apologizer was punished more.

00:09:00.040 The other groups that didn't really care as much were the moderate political people,

00:09:05.300 where it was 6.3, and the conservative political people, where it was 6.5.

00:09:09.480 So who really, really, really punishes in approval people who make apologies about things?

00:09:16.700 It is liberals, where the result was 13.8, and even more than liberals, females, where the result was 16.3.

00:09:25.580 Oh, boy.

00:09:26.920 So both conservative and progressive females. 1.00

00:09:30.520 Well, yeah, women on average, or women on average are more likely to be progressive.

00:09:34.120 So if you're looking for the sort of nexus here, it is liberal females who are extremely unwilling. 1.00

00:09:41.180 And this is who makes up cancel mobs.

00:09:43.120 When you apologize, you just appear weak.

00:09:47.000 You give them more chance to dig deeper and hit you further.

00:09:53.040 And we've seen organizations learning from this.

00:09:55.600 Cremieux was noting how American Eagle, they got, you know, we were in the era of like woke ads for a while,

00:10:01.160 where it was a bunch of like fat, disabled people who nobody actually aspired to be, 0.94

00:10:06.580 except for, I don't know, weird fetishes. 0.87

00:10:09.000 But they now have the great genes ad.

00:10:12.100 With Sidney Sweeney, which everyone is aware of now.

00:10:15.060 And if you're not being clear.

00:10:16.240 American Eagle, in response to all the controversy published,

00:10:19.520 Sidney Sweeney has great genes, is and always has been about the genes, her genes, her story.

00:10:26.280 We'll continue to celebrate how everyone wears their AE jeans with confidence their way.

00:10:32.680 Great genes look good on everyone.

00:10:34.480 And they attempted to, like the cancel mob, attempted to be like, hey, you can't say this.

00:10:41.440 You know, this is horrible, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:10:43.660 They didn't back down.

00:10:45.220 And I'd say in terms of public perception, it appears to have helped them greatly.

00:10:49.080 So before I go into additional studies, I'll just talk about the psychology of why, right?

00:10:53.820 So the person who's attacking you for breaking cultural norms, right, like randomly on Twitter,

00:10:59.240 they don't know you, right?

00:11:00.500 Like, they're not doing this to protect their community.

00:11:03.660 They're not doing this because they know that, like, you're not actually a threat to their community.

00:11:09.160 They're not doing this to protect, you know, people who are in vulnerable positions,

00:11:14.940 because there's many other things they'd rather be doing.

00:11:17.000 You know, the famous data, there's more people living in slavery now than at any point in human history.

00:11:20.420 You know, they're doing this specifically because they want to have power over you, right?

00:11:26.440 Like, that's the point.

00:11:27.840 That's the motivator for the individual who goes on Twitter and slanders you or attempts to cancel you

00:11:34.920 or yells angry things at you.

00:11:36.540 They want to feel power over you, and they see an opportunity to exercise that power over you.

00:11:43.780 If you allow them to exercise that power over you,

00:11:47.620 what you are doing is giving them that positive dopamine hit that they wanted,

00:11:52.840 and then basically putting up your hand and saying,

00:11:58.240 please keep it up.

00:11:59.420 Please keep punishing me.

00:12:01.400 And keep in mind that his study, like, the participants didn't know what they were getting into, right?

00:12:05.440 You know, this is a, you know, two sample populations here, right?

00:12:10.140 Like, this is a blind study.

00:12:11.380 This is showing people's real predilections.

00:12:15.540 Progressives and women really do punish you significantly more and will desire to punish you 0.93

00:12:21.860 significantly more if you apologize.

00:12:24.640 Before I go further with other studies, anything you want to say on this?

00:12:27.560 I mean, I also get the impression that this is one of those, you're looking at very community in-group

00:12:34.480 and out-group based political ideologies and biotypes, what behavioral types, like women on average are 1.00

00:12:40.680 more group-based, right?

00:12:42.640 They're more group consensus-based as are progressives at this point in time.

00:12:46.540 And I think also what's going on is this sort of mob mentality of you take the weak one and you attack it

00:12:54.000 if everyone else is attacking it. 0.82

00:12:55.500 And if they, like, bow and, like, expose their neck, then you just go in for the kill. 0.91

00:13:00.800 Yeah.

00:13:01.020 So your only choice in these highly cliquey, highly group-based tribal societies is to fight back

00:13:10.600 ruthlessly and never show vulnerability, or they will smell blood and take you out.

00:13:16.160 That's kind of the intuitive impression I get.

00:13:18.480 Do you think that that has something to it?

00:13:20.680 No, I think that that does have something to it.

00:13:22.340 But I also think that you could go too far in the other direction.

00:13:25.240 For example, I think Trump often goes too far in the other direction of never admitting mistake

00:13:30.440 or fault or that any of his initiatives didn't work out the way that he intended them to.

00:13:34.880 And that is a shame because I think that the correct path is to stand firm when you're standing

00:13:40.420 with your people.

00:13:41.520 But when you make a decision that genuinely turns out not in the way that you intended it to,

00:13:46.160 because of unforeseen factors, or because you made a missing judgment, you can raise your

00:13:51.040 honor in the general group's perception of you by saying, hey, I messed up here.

00:13:56.660 Now, to go further, because I'd love to go over some other studies on this, because I found

00:14:00.580 this to be really interesting.

00:14:02.020 One study, the effects of attributions of intent and apology on forgiveness when saying sorry

00:14:07.760 may not help the story.

00:14:09.240 It showed that apologies reduced forgiveness and increased blame when the offense is attributed

00:14:14.240 as intentional, e.g.

00:14:16.560 deliberate harm, but they promote forgiveness for unintentional offenses.

00:14:20.720 Inexperienced, participants were less forgiving of intentional transgressions who apologized compared

00:14:26.120 to those who didn't.

00:14:26.940 So note here, if you basically, quote unquote, accidentally, like offend a group by going over

00:14:32.700 what is seen as like political norms, i.e.

00:14:34.940 saying, well, you know, women are actually different from men, it's very clear that you 0.94

00:14:39.060 made that choice intentionally, right?

00:14:41.160 That will hurt you if you apologize for it.

00:14:44.120 If you do something like a government program that doesn't have the effects that you meant

00:14:48.660 for it to have, you will not face a penalty for apologizing for that.

00:14:54.440 That's a hugely different thing.

00:14:57.060 And that's what we're seeing from that.

00:14:58.480 So it's not never apologize, but never apologize for the type of thing where you stated your

00:15:02.800 earnest opinion, and then you were forced to back down from that earnest opinion.

00:15:07.420 That doesn't work.

00:15:08.380 That makes everyone hate you more.

00:15:10.180 Yeah.

00:15:11.200 Yeah.

00:15:12.060 When saying sorry may not help, the impact of apologies on social rejection.

00:15:15.660 Across multiple studies in 1800, apologies and social rejection scenarios, e.g. declining

00:15:21.640 invitations, increased hurt feelings, aggression measured by behaviors like allocating hot sauce

00:15:27.620 to the rejecter, and to express forgiveness, but did not increase actual forgiveness.

00:15:33.660 Apologies were often perceived as insincere.

00:15:36.220 So when you have to socially reject somebody, do not apologize.

00:15:40.240 Just say no.

00:15:43.660 I'm not, I'm not interested, not, you know, and then change the subject.

00:15:47.780 That's helpful because I'm so tempted to apologize in those instances, and I bet a lot of people

00:15:53.420 are.

00:15:54.520 Yeah.

00:15:54.720 Because you don't want to, you don't want to disappoint them, but yeah, I guess you're,

00:15:58.300 you're just, you're just kind of twisting the knife when you do, right?

00:16:02.460 Yeah.

00:16:03.880 The doormat effect.

00:16:05.400 When forgiving erodes self-respect and self-concept clarity.

00:16:10.420 Forgiving an offender who offers an insincere uncommitted apology or shows low trustworthiness

00:16:15.680 decreases the victim's self-respect and self-conception of clarity over time, making them feel like

00:16:21.200 a quote-unquote doormat.

00:16:22.900 In contrast, a forgiveness after a genuine apology boosts self-respect.

00:16:27.060 I find that to be pretty interesting.

00:16:28.480 I'm going to send here.

00:16:31.220 Oh, I accidentally didn't paste the title of this study, but this study showed reviews

00:16:36.080 why people avoid or give perfunctory apologies, including perceived ineffectiveness.

00:16:40.960 Apologies can fail or backfire if they threaten the apologizer of self-image,

00:16:44.580 or if the victim sees low concern leading to reduced forgiveness and heightened conflict.

00:16:51.280 So what's shown here is that apologies can even hurt the person you're apologizing to

00:16:56.240 if it's because you had to reject them.

00:17:01.060 That's interesting.

00:17:03.180 Well, and clearly when you credibly threaten someone's self-image,

00:17:07.480 yeah, it doesn't matter if it's in the form of an apology or just any sort of statement,

00:17:11.520 that's danger zone, danger zone.

00:17:13.960 Yeah.

00:17:14.540 Well, and you also see this, there's been some studies of public figures around this.

00:17:19.000 So a qualitative case study of cancel culture among public figures looked at public cases

00:17:23.620 like James Murray, Mimi Groves, Joe Rogan, Dave Chappelle, and analyzed Twitter reactions

00:17:27.580 and media narratives and outcomes.

00:17:29.560 Apologies were often, quote-unquote, unheard amid media focus and drama,

00:17:32.620 caving, e.g. Joe Rogan's platforms changes, polarized views without resolution,

00:17:37.760 resistance, e.g. Chappelle, sometimes shortened backlash.

00:17:41.240 Often, yes, apologies exacerbated losses, e.g. subscribers and opportunities.

00:17:46.040 Cancel efforts backfired by boosting target support so you could even win.

00:17:50.500 So a great example of this recently, and we have some episodes on this,

00:17:53.160 was the Kirsha instance.

00:17:54.680 Somebody attempted to cancel this VTuber, Kirsha, for being mildly right-wing.

00:17:58.820 And they also tried to cancel our friend of the show.

00:18:01.280 She's been on our show before.

00:18:02.440 Leaflet.

00:18:03.300 Leaflet.

00:18:04.120 Yeah.

00:18:04.600 And in both instances, they stood their ground, and they ended up gaining a bunch of followers

00:18:10.360 from this and a bunch of support for this, whereas the canceler just had a giant fist

00:18:15.400 fly back in their face and basically has dropped off the earth.

00:18:19.500 And it was the same person in both instances.

00:18:21.780 And they had their little support circle.

00:18:24.340 Now, in part, I would say that this is because the power of cancellations has significantly

00:18:27.720 dropped in the era of blue sky because, you know, the people who were most likely to cancel

00:18:32.380 you have now trapped themselves in a crystal.

00:18:34.220 As we said, you know, Trump trapped the progressives in a crystal, and now nobody can hear their

00:18:38.640 screams except for their other cancel mob.

00:18:42.520 Well, I mean, it really matters.

00:18:43.880 And blue sky is one of the best things that has happened for conservatives on the internet.

00:18:48.180 It has completely...

00:18:49.460 Not really.

00:18:49.960 We used to get a lot of engagement on X, and now we don't because they all went away.

00:18:54.560 We were rage baiters.

00:18:58.000 If we're not engaged with by people who hate us, who's going to engage with us, Malcolm?

00:19:04.320 If they're not boosting us.

00:19:06.060 Yeah, we got very good at manipulating them, which was great.

00:19:09.220 I mean, that's how we ended up really creating and solidifying the perinatalist movement.

00:19:13.480 But I will say I am glad that we sort of surfed the last wave of this to our, you know, the

00:19:20.460 public stardom, and now we...

00:19:22.820 And note here, you can be like, well, your channel doesn't have that many subscribers.

00:19:25.380 Yeah, but we get a lot of views and watch time.

00:19:27.680 And even without that, the amount that we're in the media, you know, we get about...

00:19:31.660 For the past six months, we've had about two pieces written on us every week, which is

00:19:35.380 a lot, you know, in terms of the reporters we're talking to and everything.

00:19:38.860 And that only became true because of cancel mobs.

00:19:42.900 Cancel mobs.

00:19:43.780 And it's also a lot more fun than being famous for, like, things...

00:19:47.920 Because I was talking to Simone today, I really love reading pieces where they're interviewing

00:19:50.820 her because, you know, if we were like Greta Thornburg or something and we were promoting

00:19:55.860 something that everyone agreed with, it would be very much like, you know, the reporter comes

00:20:00.460 and you give them the information and then they craft some great story about how you were

00:20:04.060 taken away by the police or something like this.

00:20:06.740 But the reporters come to us looking for a fight.

00:20:09.240 Like, every line often reads like, you know, them swinging the sword in some competition 0.96

00:20:15.440 and then Simone replying was like a deft parry, you know, like, but you are a racist. 1.00

00:20:21.320 He's not pointing out all the times where literally, like, journalists have been like, well, so,

00:20:27.100 you know, why do people hate you?

00:20:29.940 And then I, using terms and explanations more articulate than our enemies or our critics,

00:20:36.000 explain why our critics don't like us on the record or on film.

00:20:40.880 And Malcolm, like, just gets increasingly worried.

00:20:45.140 That happened in the beginning.

00:20:46.340 You grew up about not doing that.

00:20:48.080 But what I'm saying here is, is they come at you nowadays when I see pieces and I'm just 0.96

00:20:53.060 so proud to be married to you where it's just like swing, like you're a racist. 0.98

00:20:56.680 And it's like, actually, aren't you and the people like you the real racist? 0.86

00:21:01.920 With a very good argument and it's like counter and then they have to, they have to swing back 0.95

00:21:07.260 against you because, oh no, they thought that they'd just be coming to cut you up.

00:21:11.480 No, but that is what they think.

00:21:12.440 They think they're coming here to just catch us, you know, looking terrible, right?

00:21:17.340 And so we're going to, you're a racist and you don't want women to have rights and you 0.94

00:21:21.420 hate everyone. 0.94

00:21:22.120 And then it's, it's, it's, you know, block, block, block, counter repose.

00:21:27.000 And it comes off great.

00:21:28.280 I love it.

00:21:28.680 It's very fun.

00:21:29.480 It's way more fun than a journalist liked us, right?

00:21:31.920 What, what a good life, what a boring life that would be to be some, you know, and then

00:21:36.540 surrounded by sycophants who think exactly what we think.

00:21:39.480 Like imagine Greta Thornburg's life, like, like everyone who follows her, like her weird 0.99

00:21:44.000 little gaggle harem. 0.69

00:21:45.560 I don't know what you want to call it.

00:21:46.540 They all agree with her on everything.

00:21:48.360 If you look at the pro natalist movement, she only has, she can only lose.

00:21:51.680 She, she can only go down from where she is. 1.00

00:21:53.980 Whereas when our position is to be the villains, it, you know, what, what do we do?

00:22:01.900 We have to lose.

00:22:02.440 We have nothing to lose.

00:22:03.280 We're like, no, no, no, no.

00:22:04.540 Like frame us more negatively.

00:22:06.260 You should ask this question.

00:22:08.120 Let me find a more controversial way to say that.

00:22:10.560 Yeah.

00:22:10.960 We will replace you.

00:22:12.380 No, but the, the, what I mean to say is that if you look at like her core friends who are

00:22:16.340 running the movement, they all have about the same perspective.

00:22:18.600 If you look at our core friends, it's like conservative Mormons and Catholics and Orthodox

00:22:23.860 Jews and like, and many of them, we don't agree with on many things at all. 1.00

00:22:27.900 Right.

00:22:28.200 Like, but we work together because we're working to preserve our individual cultures into the

00:22:32.860 future and create a bright future for humanity, even though we have different, you know, priors,

00:22:36.960 which is just so much more fun than organizing a movement where everyone's forced to tow a

00:22:41.440 specific line.

00:22:42.500 That would feel really depressing to me, to be honest.

00:22:46.240 But, but, but that's, that's the alternative.

00:22:48.500 You know, if we had taken this other pathway, next study here, I'm sorry, the language behind

00:22:53.400 YouTube apologies and cancel culture analysis of 10 YouTube videos in 55 on linguistic cues,

00:23:00.880 e.g.

00:23:01.180 Sorry pauses and reception, negative keywords and gestures conveyed an apology, but risked

00:23:06.540 seeming performative harsh comments reflect a mob backlash.

00:23:09.540 There was a lot of harsh comments on the apologies videos.

00:23:12.040 Oh, so they're doing like a sentiment, sentiment analysis.

00:23:14.820 It showed that in many cases, apologies made things worse for the person who was apologized.

00:23:18.500 Very interesting.

00:23:21.260 And there's just such an interesting evolving culture around apologies as well.

00:23:27.200 Like the, the social media convention of writing an apology in a notes app and then publishing

00:23:32.940 it.

00:23:34.040 Really?

00:23:34.600 Tell me about this.

00:23:35.340 You know this.

00:23:36.240 It's, it's just a very common way that some people officially post their apologies.

00:23:41.240 And another way is, is, is, you know, the sort of regretful, tearful apology image that is

00:23:49.460 100 or like video that, that is no one believes, you know, it's all just sort of acted and yeah,

00:23:55.440 they just, it's, it's very much seen almost to me.

00:24:00.680 It reminds me of ritualistic forms of attempting to save face or accepting dishonor in, in ancient

00:24:09.480 or historical cultures.

00:24:11.180 But now we just, ah, yes.

00:24:13.400 Now you must write in your notes app, your apology and post the image of it online.

00:24:19.100 And everyone will say, oh, okay.

00:24:20.640 Okay.

00:24:21.140 Well, no, then everyone has to comment on it and decide on whether your apology will

00:24:27.080 be accepted.

00:24:27.940 And the answer is always, no, it will not be accepted.

00:24:30.200 And then you'll be disgraced for a while.

00:24:31.780 And then people will get distracted.

00:24:33.300 What's funny about that, that original study that I read that I found so interesting is it

00:24:37.160 was written by Richard Hanania who literally ended up apologizing and changing sides after

00:24:42.960 Trump's victory for stuff that Trump said he was going to do in the campaign cycle.

00:24:48.100 Yeah.

00:24:48.540 So he fell to this exact apology cycle that he noted.

00:24:53.880 Yeah.

00:24:54.380 I don't, I don't know if he saw it that way because I think his, the line he's pulling,

00:25:00.860 at least from what I've gathered in an interview he did with Jesse single and Katie Herzog on

00:25:05.380 blocked and reported is that he never apologized for anything. 0.99

00:25:10.260 It just happens to be that the Trump crowd is too dumb and lowbrow for his galaxy. 0.97

00:25:17.860 Yeah, we were talking about this and I was like, but they're literally not like the, 0.98

00:25:22.180 the, the online conservatives right now are like way more the intellectual crowd.

00:25:26.340 Like if you want to talk about like the high intellectuals of the internet, most of them

00:25:30.040 are conservatives these days.

00:25:31.580 Very few of them are progressives these days, but simply because you're not allowed to have

00:25:34.800 a wide diversity of opinions in the progressive sphere, which intellectuals don't really like,

00:25:38.740 or people who are like big intellectual heavyweights.

00:25:40.660 But what he means is he, he clearly means here, because this is true, is that if you

00:25:45.420 want to ape this sort of high status urban monoculture, right?

00:25:48.740 Like you, that is not within the conservative sphere.

00:25:51.840 And if you look at a lot of what Richard Ananya has done through his decisions, it's chase

00:25:56.440 this high perceived status culture.

00:25:59.660 And I think that that is fundamentally what was upstream as this decision for him is he didn't

00:26:04.200 realize that he was going to have to accept and indulge in and celebrate low culture instead 1.00

00:26:10.540 of high culture by becoming a conservative figure.

00:26:13.660 And he didn't want that.

00:26:15.140 He wanted to be invited to the cocktail parties, you know?

00:26:18.780 Yeah, I could see that.

00:26:20.260 Cause even in the very beginning, he, like when he was a teenager, he'd post on these, like,

00:26:26.340 I mean, they were controversial, but I think still they, they saw themselves as like very

00:26:30.820 intellectual style places.

00:26:32.580 So his, his preference is to be in the heterodox, but strictly, or like forbidden, but strictly

00:26:40.040 intellectual spheres.

00:26:41.980 But anyway, yeah, I don't think he saw himself as apologizing.

00:26:45.060 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:26:45.780 I mean, he wanted, I think that the, the, the thing here is he wanted to be high, high

00:26:50.260 culture.

00:26:51.140 Yeah.

00:26:51.700 And, and that's what he was thinking.

00:26:53.260 By the way, something I didn't know about him that you told me when you remember this,

00:26:57.260 Richard Ananya is half Palestinian and half Jordanian, which is very close to Palestinian

00:27:02.280 as well, a neighboring country, which is just, I, I didn't know that.

00:27:05.560 I didn't know I knew any Palestinians who I respected.

00:27:07.980 The son of immigrant parents.

00:27:09.740 Yeah.

00:27:11.220 Yeah.

00:27:11.660 But he's a Zionist, by the way, for, for, for people who don't know this, this, but

00:27:15.260 Palestinian Zionists, that would be a fun thing to have him on for. 1.00

00:27:18.940 Yeah, we should, we should, I mean, we should talk with him about that.

00:27:22.340 Palestinian Zionists.

00:27:22.980 Maybe that's why our audience doesn't like him is because he's Zionist. 1.00

00:27:27.920 I mean, we are already Zionists as people know about us.

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:30.280 They keep coming back and we're all for it.

00:27:32.700 So I don't know what's going on.

00:27:33.680 Well, I think a lot of our audience, you know, it takes pleasure in knowing that we don't

00:27:37.100 agree with them on everything.

00:27:38.320 You know, so many, I think, you know, talking heads on the internet and stuff like that.

00:27:42.460 You go to them because they're going to confirm your beliefs and laugh at the other side.

00:27:47.400 Yeah.

00:27:48.020 Which gets so old.

00:27:49.860 Ugh.

00:27:51.100 And people come to us, but I think the thing that people know about us when they, when

00:27:55.640 they come to our channel and they see is we don't really chase status in the way that

00:28:00.800 like, like we clearly have a cohesive internal ideology and goal for our species and our children.

00:28:07.400 And it is to replace the rest of you.

00:28:10.860 We'll replace you as genetically modified lab grown superhumans made from artificial wombs. 1.00

00:28:16.760 And I mean, it's true.

00:28:18.660 I roll my eyes, but it's true. 1.00

00:28:21.740 You, you guys can stay in a little zoo we'll make on earth for vanilla humans while we go 1.00

00:28:26.700 out and explore the solar system.

00:28:28.740 Yeah.

00:28:28.880 I mean, we don't, we don't plan to stay here either.

00:28:31.260 So we're not like really going to.

00:28:33.160 Yeah.

00:28:33.320 Don't worry.

00:28:33.840 Like if we know you, we'll be gone.

00:28:36.340 We'll be gone.

00:28:37.040 Don't worry about it.

00:28:38.000 Okay.

00:28:39.000 No, I think what, what I hope for, for this channel and, and what I love, I do love that

00:28:43.620 there are so many people who listen to us, probably the majority of people who listen

00:28:46.580 to us disagree with us on quite a few things, but they, they often listen because they want

00:28:52.400 people to bring up interesting, intellectually engaging and relevant and actionable subjects

00:28:58.600 that they then, our opinions help them sharpen their own, which are different, quite often

00:29:04.640 different, but they hadn't yet, because most, most people aren't talking about these things.

00:29:08.980 They, they hadn't engaged themselves with the ideas enough to even know where they stood.

00:29:14.800 And because we randomly bring these things up, they're like, okay, well they're wrong,

00:29:19.000 but here's what I think.

00:29:20.100 And I love that because I mean, in the end that, that serves our agenda of wanting to

00:29:24.160 see an even greater ideologically diverse diaspora of humans out there.

00:29:29.260 And if we can get people to just form more and more varied opinions on things, just by

00:29:34.660 deflecting off of our opinions, power to the people.

00:29:38.960 Like that's so good.

00:29:40.020 I want that.

00:29:41.480 Yeah.

00:29:42.420 Yeah.

00:29:43.000 No, I, and, and I, I, I do find the intellectual diversity and that's why I like our, our discord

00:29:47.880 so much of our audience really fun because we don't fall into just the typical, like we've

00:29:53.000 been called manosphere influencers or like tech, right?

00:29:56.740 Influencers or like, I mean, I wonder if it creates a ceiling on our audience size, which

00:30:01.360 would be quite disappointing if it does, but I've seen the audience of most of the other

00:30:06.620 sort of mainstream right-wing influencers often at some point, unless they're just doing

00:30:10.680 the incredible, like down the line griff often turn on them.

00:30:13.880 So, you know, when is our audience going to turn?

00:30:16.900 Jordan Peterson's original works were extremely obscure.

00:30:21.100 Like his, his first books and everything, all his work up until this random point at which

00:30:24.900 he got famous, very inaccessible, not mainstream, highly niche.

00:30:31.340 Or did his audience turn on him?

00:30:32.760 I don't feel like-

00:30:33.460 His audience hasn't turned on him.

00:30:34.560 I'm just giving you an example of how like, hopefully we don't have an audience ceiling,

00:30:37.560 even though we may do some more obscure stuff.

00:30:39.840 That's only for like a very specific type of people that really like to engage intellectually.

00:30:44.140 There is a chance that someday maybe we may reach a larger audience by fulfilling a more

00:30:52.140 simplistic and caricaturized role.

00:30:54.380 Maybe not exactly daddy who wears weird suits for Jordan Peterson, maybe something a little

00:30:59.860 different from that.

00:31:00.760 Actually, Jordan Peterson's great here because Jordan Peterson for me shows, like you can really

00:31:04.680 F up.

00:31:05.080 Jordan Peterson has F'd up on everything he promised people he would do.

00:31:09.080 He's like, follow the advice that I give you and your life is going to be like X and Y. 0.60

00:31:14.960 And yet he's been unable to, you know, follow his own advice, whether it's, you know, cleaning

00:31:18.780 his room or, you know, staying mentally disciplined and stoic or, no, I mean, it's like, how, how

00:31:24.620 is the God of like stoic philosophy these days, like a drug addict for a while, right?

00:31:30.040 You know, clearly he's not, he, he, he's not able to like the device he's giving you guys

00:31:37.280 is not actionable or he would be acting on it.

00:31:39.540 Right.

00:31:40.460 But I think you're missing what he, I don't think people necessarily, they don't want the

00:31:45.240 advice.

00:31:45.620 They want daddy and he's daddy.

00:31:48.040 You know what I mean?

00:31:48.600 In the case, he has stayed, I think a fairly unassailable person was in the Republican influencer

00:31:54.140 space.

00:31:54.980 And I think it's because look, even though his advice doesn't appear actionable, it doesn't

00:31:59.700 appear that he betrayed his, like he clearly thought it was, he's clearly doing his best

00:32:05.820 with, with, with what he has at trying to describe the world as he sees it and move

00:32:09.400 forwards.

00:32:09.960 Yeah.

00:32:10.160 And I think that he's done stuff that like, for example, one of the things he's criticized

00:32:13.640 for is being like, well, you know, like theoretically God exists and like, you know, not really confirming

00:32:19.260 a belief in God in the way other people would confirm a belief in God, you know, because it's

00:32:23.300 not a, you know, and a lot of people criticize him for this, but I actually think that this

00:32:26.920 is part of why he has stayed so beloved is because he doesn't kowtow to just what his audience

00:32:33.420 wants him to do, even at the most deep level, when it would be so easy for him to just say,

00:32:39.420 yes, a traditional God, as Christians understand it exists, the Christian God is real, blah, blah, blah.

00:32:44.500 He'll be like, well, the Christian God is metaphysically real or like metaphorically real, 0.89

00:32:48.100 you know, he's like, analogistically it's real, you know, and, and, and he doesn't have

00:32:55.280 to do that, but he does do that, which I think shows intellectual integrity, intellectual

00:33:00.580 integrity, which has, has, has kept people alongside him.

00:33:05.460 Whereas, okay, vis-a-vis like saying you're religious without saying you're religious.

00:33:10.340 I just saw a clip today where someone was, a journalist was, was asking Donald Trump who,

00:33:16.780 you know, says that he's a, a Christian and that specifically his favorite book is the Bible.

00:33:22.200 And these journalists were like, well, okay, can, you know, can you give us, you know, what's,

00:33:25.820 what's your favorite passage from the Bible? And Trump's like, listen, that's very personal.

00:33:30.280 You know, that this is a very personal thing. You know, I, I, I just used to stop the kind of

00:33:34.620 thing I think people should be talking about. And they're like, no, but really just like one,

00:33:37.820 you know, one verse, it inspires you. He's like, no, this is just very personal. Like.

00:33:42.280 It's clear. He has no effing idea.

00:33:45.020 Of course he doesn't. But I mean, what, where would you put that in intellectual honesty?

00:33:51.100 I think that, that is, that is a classic Trump non-apology, but he's emotionally honest.

00:33:57.560 Everybody knows who Trump is and what he's really about. You know, I don't think that he's

00:34:02.900 successfully, you, you can watch two people talk and, and Trump may tell more like objective lies,

00:34:10.880 but they're not lies in, in a, I don't know how to put it, but like in, in a, the gist of the

00:34:17.540 point, right? Like they're eating my favorite book is the Bible. He means like, I mean,

00:34:24.320 my favorite thing is everyone's favorite thing. And everyone's favorite thing is the Bible.

00:34:27.540 So what he means is like, I'm on the side of Christians. Chill out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 0.51

00:34:31.880 Yeah. On the side of Christians. When he says the cats and the dogs, people are like, oh, he lied.

00:34:37.840 But like, he is right. That like, these people are culturally different from us and do things in,

00:34:43.060 in different ways than us. Right. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

00:34:45.840 In, in ways that we may find culturally abhorrent. If you interpret all things

00:34:49.880 Trump says as metaphor. As metaphor for what's happening. No, no, no. But what I mean is

00:34:55.040 the other politicians, right? Trump just went out there and he read that in a news,

00:35:00.020 one of his like far right newspapers, and then just repeated it. I don't think he thought he

00:35:04.380 was trying to. Probably Laura Loomer told him. Yeah. He probably, he probably wasn't trying to lie

00:35:09.120 to people. Actually, I think it's very clear that he wasn't trying to lie to people. He just said

00:35:12.860 what he saw on like his Twitter feed that morning. That's a very emotionally honest thing to do.

00:35:17.500 Whereas, you know, his opponent on stage, you know, studied forever what the voter wants to hear.

00:35:24.060 And then was saying that, you know, twisting the facts to be true, but, but what, you know,

00:35:30.000 their scorecard and, and looking, you know, high class and, and, and looking good to their high

00:35:35.540 class friends. And that emotionally doesn't resonate with people. And so I think that that's

00:35:41.960 how Trump's been able to get around this. You know, it is, it is actually pretty remarkable that

00:35:46.480 Trump has really only expanded his base over time. Good point. Yeah. In terms of, you know, who,

00:35:52.340 who supports him. And I, I think that that'll happen into the future, as long as he keeps this

00:35:56.560 sort of emotional honesty, he is who he is. Nobody's like, when he does something that like,

00:36:01.740 when the progressives are like, Oh, he did the thing. Like, can you believe it? Everyone's like,

00:36:05.780 I mean, yeah, it sounds like something he'd do, you know, I, that, that seems about right to me.

00:36:12.920 Well, and I think that's, that goes back to our important character theory, which I think does

00:36:18.300 kind of dovetail well with this apology concept, which is that you should have a public persona with

00:36:26.080 very clear virtues and very clear vices. And what makes Trump exceptional is that if you ask, you

00:36:33.020 know, 10 people, what's right and wrong with Trump, they're all going to have pretty consistent

00:36:36.620 answers. Whereas if you do the same with like Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton, you're just going to

00:36:41.380 get so many different answers. And that means that you can't really control your image as well. And the

00:36:48.920 most important thing is, as long as your vices are vices that do not disqualify you from the

00:36:53.800 position you are trying to achieve in society or the job you're trying to get or whatever,

00:36:58.180 then you're fine. And Trump's vices do not change. Like, yeah, as soon as your vices don't

00:37:04.140 disqualify, basically anything can leak as long as it's in line with your vices. Yeah. And you don't

00:37:09.500 have to apologize. That's one of those things. Like if it's your known vice, then you also get kind

00:37:14.040 of a get out of jail free card. Like when it leaked that, you know, Oh, Trump slept with a

00:37:18.160 prostitute. Everyone was like, what did you expect? We knew that. Yeah. I mean, of course he did. 0.99

00:37:22.700 Was there somebody who thought that didn't happen? Like, yeah. But if you try to hide your

00:37:26.880 vices, if he tried to fob himself off to society as some kind of a paragon of virtue and morality

00:37:33.700 and family values who, you know. Yeah, no, then that would be really bad. And, and, you know,

00:37:39.900 for us, you know, I think that we're known, this is why, like, I'm able to do an episode where I'm

00:37:44.600 like, love isn't real. I don't really love my wife or kids, you know, and it doesn't become

00:37:48.800 a big scandal because the progressives have been saying that about us since forever.

00:37:52.700 They've been like, he beats his kids and he doesn't really love them. And he blah, blah,

00:37:56.640 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We're for like a normal press thing. That would be like a,

00:38:00.280 okay, this is it. This is over for you. How, how dare you leak that?

00:38:05.980 Right. So-called prenatalist doesn't actually, yeah. Isn't actually a kid person.

00:38:12.340 Yeah. You are actually a kid person. I guess that's not what they would say. Isn't actually

00:38:15.460 like emotionally driven to have children, which you, how gross. Yeah. What are they 0.90

00:38:20.920 to you? Toys? Pets? Exactly, Simone. Oh man, I'm just so disappointed in people.

00:38:28.840 Disappointed in these animals. I have children because it makes me feel good.

00:38:32.900 But at the end of the day, you've got to keep in mind, when you apologize, you're retreating.

00:38:38.840 That's what an apology is. When you apologize, not because you made a genuine mistake, which I

00:38:45.440 think conservatives need to get better at doing. 100%. But you apologize because, because what

00:38:51.320 conservatives have learned, and this is true, is they can always tell you, well, that offended me.

00:38:55.940 How dare you believe that? Restate what you said, right? Or, or apologize for holding these beliefs.

00:39:01.400 They can always expand the, the, the bubble of offense. And they use this to push us further and

00:39:07.240 further back into crazy things. Like, God, what's the controversy right now in the UK? Everyone's

00:39:12.900 freaking out because a trans woman in the UK was working at like a, some fancy department 1.00

00:39:19.480 store, like clearly not passing and wanted to try, like walked into the, the girl's changing

00:39:26.100 room and tried to change the bra of a 13 year old to get it fitted for her to like feel up 1.00

00:39:30.960 her breasts and everything. And everyone was like, what, why did you allow this? And so JK Rowling

00:39:36.020 called a, a, what's the word? Whatever, where you don't buy from a store.

00:39:42.960 Oh, a boycott.

00:39:44.020 A boycott. And the first word that came to my mind was fatwa. 0.72

00:39:48.660 Yeah. JK Rowling called the fatwa.

00:39:51.460 Yes. I mean, she did, that's the, they're functionally the same thing. Come on.

00:39:55.500 And so she called her fatwa and then all the, you know, like, like classically all the people

00:40:00.440 were like, this is so offensive. And it's like, oh, so you'll just, because no reasonable

00:40:05.140 person thinks that that's a good thing to normalize. Any guy who says that they identify

00:40:09.780 as a woman being able to fondle underage girls, like that's, that's not a normal thing. It's 1.00

00:40:16.840 normal for people to be freaked out that that's happening in a major department store, you know?

00:40:21.640 So they're completely in the right, but what we've learned is they'll just expand the scope

00:40:28.020 of normal as much as they need to until the point where it's like, how dare, you know,

00:40:33.540 at first it's elite have, you know, sex parties that they invite minors to, you know, this

00:40:40.440 is a conspiracy and eventually it's going to be like, how dare you, you know, attack these

00:40:45.860 maps.

00:40:46.300 Well, yeah. So speaking of that on, on the Epstein issue, per your philosophy, I, my, my

00:40:54.660 guess, if I'm applying this advice on apologizing strategically well, correctly, what the Trump

00:41:01.760 administration should have done when they decided to not ultimately be 100% transparent

00:41:07.140 with this was instead to say, I'm sorry, we said we were going to share all of this.

00:41:11.860 We have subsequently learned that from a national security standpoint, we just can't do it.

00:41:17.220 And this is one of those instances in which for the, the best interest of the American 0.97

00:41:21.900 public, we're going to have to, you're going to have to take our word for this and it sucks. 0.99

00:41:29.320 Yeah. Or, or what they should have said is the, the, the, the files that could have proven 0.72

00:41:35.620 something else happened here are no longer accessible to us. The Democrats scrubbed it.

00:41:40.920 You know, one of these people will be like, Oh, Trump's not doing it. Cause he's on the

00:41:44.720 Epstein list. As I pointed out before, this doesn't pass basic logic. If the Democrats had

00:41:50.740 evidence that Trump was in, in a hard, incontroversial way that wasn't leaked already tied to the Epstein

00:41:58.100 stuff, that would have been, um, that would have been during the election cycle. Like

00:42:03.020 also he has the sexual tastes of a poor man, not a rich man. And if you know what I mean, 0.99

00:42:06.760 like rich men are a files.

00:42:09.780 Oh yeah. We, we actually talk about this in our book. It's, it's, it's very interesting.

00:42:12.880 So males have a very interesting, and we have an old episode on this to be like, why do the people

00:42:18.740 exist that are attracted to this in, in, in most communities? Like, why are there these weird

00:42:22.520 sex parties and stuff as a male? You're sort of drawn between two very strange and opposite

00:42:28.220 extremes in terms of arousal patterns. You either can optimize for making absolutely sure a thing is

00:42:35.460 a female. So that means you're attracted to busty, buxom, Brazilian butt lift style women. 1.00

00:42:42.020 Not just a female, but healthy. So, so what does it mean? You have very healthy. It means you have

00:42:47.240 very large breasts. You have a very large, but you look very voluptuous. You have long nails. 0.62

00:42:52.740 You're definitely female. No question about that. We'll survive the winter. Can carry a baby to 0.97

00:42:58.040 term. This is, this is what poor people as arousal patterns are optimized for.

00:43:03.060 Yeah. Cause you need that immediate assurance that they will, they will last.

00:43:06.060 I mean, you can even just see this from like basically looking at people, right? Like if you,

00:43:11.900 if you look at like this, the traits, like when I go to see somebody that's got like five inch nails

00:43:15.980 and like giant bazongas, I'm like, oh, you're a poor person, right? Like, and you're trying to

00:43:20.920 appeal to poor people. This is, this is a very poor thing. But when you look at the, the very wealthy,

00:43:27.100 the, the, the, the other thing you can optimize for as a male is I'm not optimizing for the most

00:43:34.640 certain it's a female person, but for the longest fertility window I can get. Yeah. Basically total 1.00

00:43:40.600 lifetime value. Like you have the luxury to play the long game. So you're going to try to get an

00:43:46.520 asset that will last the longest. Right. The problem is, is that the traits that signal that someone is a

00:43:53.320 female are typically inversely correlated with lengths of fertility window, i.e. longer fertility 1.00

00:44:00.400 window is smaller breast, smaller, but more boyish figure. And if you see the, some of the women

00:44:09.240 that like the, the wealthiest men in the world go after, they have this body type and it's just

00:44:16.160 clapped. But there are other men, including men who are wealthy now, but either have like a weird,

00:44:21.740 like poor man mindset or came from more humble beginnings. Like his wife does not look like a 1.00

00:44:29.160 rich woman. I didn't say it. You said it. Okay. But like, and also Trump, and this is why I'm like,

00:44:33.160 Trump is not one of the people who I think is on like the Epstein list or something. Like there aren't

00:44:37.760 videos of him because that's just not his, just not his type. He goes for the, the, he goes for the

00:44:44.600 definitely a woman people. Right. If you're looking at the, what's an example of like an avatar of the 1.00

00:44:50.800 other type, you're looking at somebody like Grimes, right? Like Grimes is probably as hot as you can

00:44:55.980 get in terms of what rich people find hot. Very gammean, very, yeah. Ethereal. Yeah. Thin.

00:45:03.360 Yeah. Yeah. Who are some other examples? I mean, like a lot of, a lot of models are like that.

00:45:08.780 Just very young, very thin, a little bit. Yeah. But yeah, that wasn't, yeah. So yeah.

00:45:18.000 You just, you think that Trump should have in this case, even though this is such a delicate issue

00:45:23.800 because he had to break a campaign promise, he should have apologized in some way with this.

00:45:28.920 I agree. He should have said, I effed up and I would have had I been in his position, but you know,

00:45:33.560 I can see why he learned not to apologize.

00:45:35.960 Yeah. I guess when in doubt, if you have to choose just one, like you, you sometimes apologize

00:45:43.580 or you never, ever, ever apologize. It's probably just safer to have a policy of never, ever, ever

00:45:48.920 apologizing. I agree. Yeah. No. Have we apologized on anything on this show? I don't know.

00:45:56.460 I don't know. Like when I tweeted today, I said that we, we made a mistake in acting as though it

00:46:03.700 was just communism that only worked in certain contexts and the democracy also only works in

00:46:09.420 certain contexts and we've learned, but that wasn't an apology. It's not like anyone's like accused us of

00:46:14.420 doing that. So no, I don't think we, I don't think we have, but yeah.

00:46:20.300 Yeah. Yeah. I think I've, I've, well, no, I, I, I've apologized for things I did in the distant

00:46:24.900 past. I mean, like I slept around a lot in the distant past and I now think that that's wrong

00:46:29.620 and that's not something that I would recommend that my children do, which is sort of an apology,

00:46:37.980 but it's more just saying that. I don't know. I mean, you're, you're like, you're a wingman

00:46:42.520 to, well, sort of to other women. Yeah. I mean, I tried to help them. I didn't do it in like a mean

00:46:46.980 way, but I don't think that it's something that I would promote today, but I was never famous when

00:46:53.580 I was doing that. So I never promoted it in the way that other people might promote it.

00:46:57.840 Well, for what it's worth you, you don't. I checked on tea.

00:47:05.200 You did? You signed on? I love that.

00:47:07.640 I signed on. I got verified. Well, cause I was thinking maybe there's like episode fodder here.

00:47:12.080 I want to explore it more and see what people's actual reports of people are to see if there's

00:47:16.120 for an episode in there. I would love it if you look up people who we meet in like business

00:47:20.660 context and stuff. Oh my God.

00:47:24.660 You should look up like old bosses.

00:47:26.920 Oh no, I should. Oh no. Okay. Well, I know what I'm doing tonight after.

00:47:33.500 But I didn't have anything on tea. Nobody complained about me?

00:47:35.940 No, there was nothing. I flagged it so that if someone does post something that I will know.

00:47:42.480 About me, it'll come up in you.

00:47:43.700 Yeah. It actually asks you once you're verified and you go through the signup flow, like,

00:47:47.700 are you married? And do you want to know if your husband comes up? Cause yeah,

00:47:51.740 you might not want to. And I appreciate that they ask.

00:47:54.840 That's actually pretty cool. I mean, yeah. So for people who think that I might have some like

00:47:58.440 scandalous history or be like, this is like reverse Ashley Madison, right? Like you can find out if

00:48:04.120 some influencer is actually out there scandaling it up. And I guess.

00:48:08.840 Well, but see, I wouldn't trust what's posted about influencers because I would expect people

00:48:13.400 to make stuff up. And I don't, I probably shouldn't include this in our episode because

00:48:17.840 it would incentivize people to go on the platform and make things up. So you should probably not.

00:48:23.640 No, I think they'd make things up in a way that's very silly.

00:48:26.680 And where it's like, obviously not you. Yeah. Our, our real stories are stranger than fiction.

00:48:32.980 Yeah. Our real stories. If people knew like our actual scandals, they'd be like,

00:48:37.500 Oh my God, what the, like, okay. That makes so much sense. That makes so any of our actual scandals.

00:48:45.340 Everyone is going to be like, cause there are things where I'm like, I do not want the public

00:48:49.320 to deal with this, but people would hear it and they'd be like, like, it'd be one of those,

00:48:54.200 like, just drop the microphone and walk away things. Like, of course it checks out, whatever.

00:49:00.900 Yeah. Yeah. Just, just like Trump and his, his various peccadillos. Everyone's like, yeah,

00:49:08.620 but how are you surprised by this? No one's surprised by this. So yeah. Okay. Well,

00:49:15.700 anyway, love you to death Simone. Um, tonight we're just going to do the slow air fryer, right?

00:49:21.440 Yeah. But I kind of want to back up for this. Cause yeah, it's not very good. Can I make some

00:49:27.880 gyoza for you? It's like a backup maybe just to be safe. Yeah. Gyoza would be great. Let's see if

00:49:33.840 it works. And if it doesn't work, I'll have some gyoza. Yeah. And I don't need many gyozas, you know, 1.00

00:49:38.300 keep in mind no more than like three meat gyozas and a couple of vegetable ones. If I'm only doing

00:49:42.620 just two, if I have the big pork ones, those ones are like freaking just two of the big pork ones.

00:49:47.980 Yeah. That's fine. I've never had a gyoza like that before. That doesn't count. It's like a, 1.00

00:49:51.800 it's the burrito of gyoza. It's so intense. So yeah. Okay. I will, I won't get to it. I love you

00:49:58.800 desperately. All right. My, my, my food slave, go cook, get in the kitchen. Yeah, I will. I will.

00:50:06.960 Drop that baby on your pregnant back and then get in the kitchen and cook us dinner for your 1.00

00:50:12.240 freaking five kids. And hope she doesn't grab a knife and stab you. I know she's right there. 1.00

00:50:20.140 She's within reach. I really need to move. Literally might try. Like she does grab knives. 0.99

00:50:25.840 She does. She grabs everything. She grabs everything. Like I'll take off my, my, my dress at night and

00:50:31.660 like magnets will fall out. Like all sorts of things that she's like shoved down my back. It's,

00:50:37.000 this is my life now. You are beleaguered. You are beleaguered.

00:50:43.740 All right. Down I go. I love you. All right. Love you. Bye.

00:50:48.820 I know I'm giving you more too many episodes to process and insisting on all these conversations,

00:50:53.900 but I just really like talking with you. Don't take this away from me.

00:50:58.720 I'm forcing you to, God, it's so many. Yeah. Like tomorrow, Simone, I don't want to do any

00:51:04.920 more episodes. We've got too much of a backlog at this point. And you say, no, Malcolm, you

00:51:09.420 must, you must do more episodes. And I was like, well, I won't prep any. Then she's like,

00:51:14.080 then I will. Yeah. Then fine. I will. No problem.

00:51:19.600 You monster, Simone. You won't let me be done. And then people are like, why don't you just put 0.99

00:51:24.880 them on Patreon? I might use them on the main channel. No, no. We're going to need to put a

00:51:31.080 whole bunch more for members only on Patreon. They deserve it because they're the best.

00:51:37.740 I would have thought that my days would be researching things to have interesting conversations

00:51:42.100 with my wife. Gosh. I mean, we're, we're not far from turning this into our primary income source.

00:51:47.260 And if we do that, that would be the craziest thing ever. And I'm just paid to have interesting

00:51:51.400 conversations with the person I enjoy talking to most in the world.

00:51:55.780 That would be the dream. Though I can't discount the fact that you put a lot of work into editing

00:52:00.280 these and I really appreciate it. Oh yeah. That is a lot of work actually.

00:52:04.500 Yeah. But it's work I can do while reading romance mangas. That's, that's what I've learned.

00:52:10.600 Well, yeah. Honestly, if that makes it work for you, you should a hundred percent do it.

00:52:16.300 No, it makes me more excited to do it. I'm like, oh boy. Yeah.

00:52:19.440 Yeah. That's perfect. Good. I never thought I'd get into these, like these, these very legit.

00:52:26.880 Nah, I get it. I got it. They are like girls have a more discerning taste than I thought in terms of 1.00

00:52:34.360 the stuff that they read. I was like, this is pretty, pretty good. Yeah. I haven't read one

00:52:38.640 since love advice from the great Duke of hell, but like I, that was the last thing I've ever read

00:52:44.100 that I accidentally stayed up like two hours, you know, past my bedtime to, to read. Cause it's just

00:52:51.100 that good. You know, it's just like, and, and laughed out loud. Who, who laughs out loud when

00:52:56.440 they read anymore, but it's. Yeah. Do, do I need to give you some of, some of mine to, to entrap you?

00:53:02.160 And I don't know. I mean like your, your favorite genre is so specific, you know, and love advice

00:53:06.780 from the great Duke of hell. You would love this genre. Cause it's all about noble courtiers doing

00:53:10.680 like being incredibly proficient and playing social games to try to marry the prince. Yeah. If it's

00:53:16.700 attractive, competent people who are good at what they do, I probably will like it. Yes, you will like

00:53:22.060 it. And everyone, even the characters who are explicitly in the script as ugly are incredibly

00:53:27.440 attractive. Cause it's, I mean, cause it's, yeah, it's fricking manga. When they draw

00:53:32.060 everything, which is great.

00:53:33.740 Are they hurting you?

00:53:35.740 No, they're not.

00:53:37.740 Let's go to my corner.

00:53:41.740 No, they're not.

00:53:43.740 I'm going to keep you safe.

00:53:45.740 Really?

00:53:47.740 Okay, walk with me.

00:53:49.740 What's one of those

00:53:53.740 vacations?

00:53:55.740 Let's get close to me.

00:53:57.740 They're not going to hurt you.

00:53:59.740 I'm going to keep you safe.

00:54:01.740 I'm going to keep you safe.

00:54:03.740 I need to let go of mine.

00:54:05.740 Come with me.

00:54:07.740 I need to get out of the water.

00:54:11.740 They're nice.

00:54:13.740 They're nice.

00:54:15.740 They're nice.

Based Camp - August 18, 2025

Apologizing Makes Women & Lefties Hate You： Why？

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