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Are Cancelations Over？ Wendigoon vs. In Praise of Shadows


Summary

In Praise of Shadows is a podcast about the recent controversy surrounding the attempted cancellation of the film "Windagoon" by In Praise Of Shadows, a film about cannibals killing and eating a family who get lost on their summer vacation.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 The horror community being a normal, welcoming community welcomes people with all ideological perspectives into it.
00:00:05.720 But once you get a critical level of this ultra-progressive, ultra-urban monoculture perspective, they now think they own the entire cultural category, in this case, horror.
00:00:19.880 And they now have a duty to police entrance into this community.
00:00:24.920 Only people who, one, think like them and fit their cultural rules belong in this community.
00:00:30.840 But then he also reveals his hand about what he thinks about general society.
00:00:37.360 At first he says they should not be welcome in our space, but then he says they should not be welcomed in public in general.
00:00:44.200 Wow. Okay.
00:00:46.200 The argument being that they spread harmful messages, presumably?
00:00:49.980 No. I mean, so we'll get to the arguments that he might use to justify this in his head, but generally he sees them as subhuman, not deserving of the same dignities of other human groups, and that they should be treated as such.
00:01:03.080 And a lot of people don't understand how people can walk towards something like a holocaust, and society may not recognize that they're walking in that direction.
00:01:11.720 A society where people like this person are tolerated is a society that is walking towards a holocaust.
00:01:17.460 Yeah, well, dehumanization is the first step of any of this. You can't do these things to people.
00:01:21.980 And elevating the murder of this family just for being in the wrong area is a positive thing.
00:01:27.480 But the most important thing in understanding how this larger memetic structure works is for a memetic structure to stay stable like this, it needs to not encounter pushback, right?
00:01:38.740 Would you like to know more?
00:01:39.860 Hello, Simone. I am excited to be here with you today.
00:01:44.000 We are going to cover the recent controversy around the attempted cancellation of Windagoon by In Praise of Shadows.
00:01:52.440 However, we're not going to just spit the facts of the case and then react to them, I think like a lot of people do.
00:01:58.660 I want to be very based in the way we do this, have a very unique take on this.
00:02:01.960 And I think that there is a unique takeaway and a pretty big one to be had by this.
00:02:05.940 Honestly, I found learning about this case.
00:02:07.600 It's shifted some of my perspectives because I think it perfectly encapsulates two things.
00:02:15.400 One is how the mind virus of the urban monoculture works, how it has looped around from general progressivism to basically just being Nazism or at least a form of fascism.
00:02:29.420 Although I think now that they've become anti-Semitic, it's hard to call them anything other than Nazis.
00:02:34.200 But anyway, so how it has turned into this fascist Nazi ideology, but also how individuals within it can't see that this has happened to them, even though they've taken these extremist positions.
00:02:46.260 So an example of one of these positions that this guy took.
00:02:49.580 So I'll just give you a few.
00:02:50.500 One was he talked about in a previous video, the Hills Have Eyes movie.
00:02:57.600 And that's what motivated this video, that people didn't like his take on that movie from a couple of years ago or something.
00:03:02.300 And his channel wasn't doing as well as it used to.
00:03:04.160 And he was bitter about that.
00:03:05.360 But anyway, his take was that it was good that these white middle class people were brutalized because they had entered into another cultural group's territory.
00:03:14.220 And then he analyzed that cultural group, like the crazy mutant savages in that movie, with Native Americans.
00:03:21.100 And he said, this is a good thing.
00:03:22.440 It's them taking back their...
00:03:23.940 Further adds to the commentary that this family doesn't belong here.
00:03:27.720 Just by the way that they look, you can tell that they do not fit in with this vast desert landscape.
00:03:33.240 They are an economic invading force.
00:03:36.140 What is both home and hardship to one is a curiosity to pose in front of and take pictures to a group of others from a wealthier background.
00:03:42.720 On the most basic, surface, superficial level, this is a film about cannibals killing and eating a family who get lost on their summer vacation.
00:03:52.640 And psychologically, most when they watch this will be on the side of the vacationing family and wish for them to survive and make it out and get back home.
00:04:00.820 And why is that?
00:04:02.640 Because if you look at this from the perspective of the Hill People, they are only defending what is theirs, this land that they call home.
00:04:09.620 The Carter family would have never been killed if they had stayed in that monstrosity of industry that is New York, that their own kind created.
00:04:17.860 It can stand in that way as a bit of an allegory as well.
00:04:21.520 Of that fact that, even though we are housed under the umbrella of America, we are many different countries comprising of many different people that do not get along or like each other.
00:04:30.580 To say that the Hill People and the New Yorkers are of the same nation would only be true in the strictest definition, in that they happen to live within the same borders, but culturally, they couldn't be more different.
00:04:42.860 The Hills Have Eyes is a clash of when you take two types of people who hold absolute contempt for one another, and then you proceed to call them both American and equals, who supposedly have the same opportunities at birth.
00:04:55.260 Father Jupiter and his family are filled with murderous rage, but why shouldn't they be?
00:05:01.940 Do you see the surroundings that they are forced to put up with?
00:05:05.500 At one point, he says to the father, Bob Carter,
00:05:07.860 Your dog made sport of my blood, you pig.
00:05:11.760 I'm gonna kill your kids for that.
00:05:13.860 You come out here and stick your life in my face, stick your fingers in my pie.
00:05:18.180 That was a bad mistake.
00:05:19.720 I thought you were smart and tough, you're stupid, you're nothing.
00:05:23.300 I'm gonna watch your goddamn car rust out, yes I will.
00:05:26.840 I'll see the wind blow your dried up seeds away.
00:05:29.760 I'll eat the heart of your stinking memory.
00:05:32.020 I'll eat the brains of your kids' kids.
00:05:34.080 There is a tangible fury here, a pure, unadulterated need for blood, and through that, vengeance.
00:05:41.740 Vengeance at their situation and the systems in place that have forced them into this.
00:05:46.500 In a way, are they not justified for their actions?
00:05:50.160 The Hill People can be representative of anything that you want them to be, really.
00:05:54.980 They can be Native Americans, and the Hills themselves can be allegorical of them being forced back onto reservations.
00:06:00.240 They can be Black Americans that have for hundreds of years been forced to live within a dehumanizing system
00:06:05.740 that has balances in place that assure that they never get ahead.
00:06:09.660 When people were like, one, it shows the level of dehumanization he has of both groups.
00:06:15.920 Both of the Native groups, to see them as like these monstrous individuals,
00:06:20.040 but also the level of dehumanization he has of people he sees as representative of his cultural enemies,
00:06:27.040 which are generally conservatives.
00:06:28.780 And you actually see this throughout a lot of stuff that he talks about.
00:06:31.920 So in one part, when he's talking about how you know that Windigoon is a bad guy,
00:06:36.720 in part he says it's because he's from Appalachia,
00:06:39.040 and you need to assume that every white person you meet in Appalachia is a racist
00:06:42.260 unless they actively prove to you that they aren't.
00:06:44.440 He has said many times publicly that he lives in East Tennessee.
00:06:47.900 It is about as white as you could possibly get.
00:06:50.320 Deep Appalachia is very white country, and for the most part, is exceptionally racist.
00:06:55.840 Genuinely in this part of the country, you have to assume that any white person you meet is racist
00:07:01.200 unless they show you otherwise.
00:07:02.980 This is a remarkably racist take.
00:07:05.480 And I think a lot of leftists initially, when they took this position that you can't be racist against whites
00:07:11.660 and stuff like that, they didn't understand that when you remove groups like this,
00:07:17.320 like when you remove protections around groups like this,
00:07:20.620 that these protections existed for a reason.
00:07:22.540 Like we did in the 90s, when I was growing up, we understood that you shouldn't make large bigoted assumptions
00:07:30.440 about a group that has like deleterious externalities, and that's why racism is bad.
00:07:37.600 For the leftist framework to work, for it to dehumanize people outside of its framework so much
00:07:43.500 that memetic sets from those groups can't reach them,
00:07:46.380 it absolutely must fully dehumanize those groups.
00:07:49.600 Yeah, it feels a lot like Tucker and Dale vs. Evil, which we've referenced heavily in another podcast.
00:07:56.100 Our Tucker and Dale force-a-versive-evil problem,
00:07:59.140 it is about the way that the people from the urban monoculture dehumanize
00:08:04.120 people outside of the urban monoculture to such an extent
00:08:07.500 that they can only see them as like freaks and murderers,
00:08:10.880 no matter how nice they're trying to be to them,
00:08:13.680 and end up like murdering themselves in the process.
00:08:16.100 Oh, good, look, your friends are here! Hey!
00:08:18.600 You're supposed to want to have children, and this is your ultimate goal in life.
00:08:22.820 It is a very archaic idea, an old idea, and representation of a woman.
00:08:28.380 Dad!
00:08:29.140 Mom!
00:08:30.820 Oh, my God!
00:08:32.320 Oh, my God!
00:08:33.940 So you, you're getting people to sign a pledge,
00:08:36.700 basically saying that they will not have children
00:08:39.740 until the Canadian government takes serious action on climate change.
00:08:44.420 Is that your blood?
00:08:45.500 What, no?
00:08:46.400 No, it's college kid blood.
00:08:48.100 And how many people have signed on so far?
00:08:50.280 1,381, as of right now.
00:08:54.020 I know what this is.
00:08:55.300 This is a suicide pact.
00:08:56.940 Oh, my God, that makes so much sense.
00:08:58.840 We have got to hide all of the sharp objects!
00:09:01.180 Genuinely, in this part of the country,
00:09:02.900 you have to assume that any white person you meet is racist,
00:09:06.240 unless they show you otherwise.
00:09:09.600 Ah!
00:09:10.800 Holy mother of God!
00:09:12.740 Some kid.
00:09:14.800 He just hooked himself right into the wood chipper!
00:09:17.100 What?
00:09:17.560 Head first, right into the wood chipper!
00:09:19.780 It looked like it might have been one of the college kids.
00:09:21.840 Yeah, which is actually Tucker and Dale vs. Evil talking about conservative horror.
00:09:25.820 Another really interesting thing is the way that he tries to other conservative groups
00:09:31.400 from a community that he has claimed ownership of, that his cultural group has.
00:09:35.900 So, in the movie, he says that the horror space is a progressive space,
00:09:40.920 which is, he calls it punk and everything like that.
00:09:44.780 Horror is an intrinsically left, punk, anti-establishment, counter-cultural art form
00:09:50.340 that is primarily concerned with social issues and pushing boundaries beyond what is deemed
00:09:55.060 acceptable by traditional, more conservative, polite society.
00:09:58.860 Oh, he's just a YouTuber.
00:10:00.960 Why does it matter?
00:10:01.940 Or, so what if he's a conservative?
00:10:04.000 Is that a problem?
00:10:05.100 Which, the answer to that is, yes.
00:10:07.240 But the reason that I care is because this does not belong in horror.
00:10:11.480 Or anywhere.
00:10:12.680 I care deeply about horror.
00:10:14.720 And everything that he does has demonstrated so far in his career
00:10:17.900 that he should not be welcomed in our spaces.
00:10:20.720 Or even, you know, just in public in general.
00:10:23.760 While also noting that there are two types of horror content out there.
00:10:28.080 Because there are talented right-wing horror creators.
00:10:31.600 And we need to be vigilant for them so we can expel them from our space.
00:10:35.480 Oh, Lord.
00:10:36.420 And he categorizes horror in two broad categories.
00:10:39.380 One is horror made for artistic to give people an alternate perspective on the world
00:10:43.180 and give them access to a minimized perspective.
00:10:46.180 This is a progressive lens, like a horror made for art.
00:10:48.800 And then he's like, and then there's this horror that's just made to be entertaining to watch.
00:10:52.480 And that's...
00:10:52.800 Like human centipede.
00:10:54.200 I don't think that's entertaining for anyone to watch.
00:10:56.040 The date started up so well.
00:10:58.700 Hey girl, what's your favorite film?
00:11:00.940 Human centipede, not ironically.
00:11:03.980 He said the costume design was a highlight.
00:11:08.380 I like it for the point.
00:11:10.380 Tell me what the plot's about.
00:11:12.160 No, he's talking about horror where, like specifically he was talking about how in a movie that was released recently,
00:11:17.900 they took out some violent stuff because then it could get a PG-13 rating and reach a larger audience.
00:11:22.140 Oh, okay.
00:11:22.780 It's an intrinsically conservative thing to do.
00:11:24.540 Like making your movie entertaining and fun to watch for him puts it in this negative category.
00:11:30.960 Okay, horror with broad appeal.
00:11:32.760 But if it's more like horror that's like a documentary that teaches people, then it's okay.
00:11:38.540 Yeah.
00:11:39.100 New girl.
00:11:39.540 Sort of artistic merit to it from his perspective.
00:11:42.180 Okay.
00:11:42.600 But if the artistic marriage is in service to a conservative message, like Tucker and Dale versus The Force of Evil,
00:11:47.400 which is about how people in the urban monoculture dehumanize conservatives so much,
00:11:52.580 the American rural poor so much,
00:11:54.760 that they can't see them as anything other than worthy of death and basically inhuman.
00:11:59.500 Genuinely in this part of the country, you have to assume that any white person you meet is racist.
00:12:04.600 And you'll see that this is his, very much his perspective.
00:12:09.240 Which, so he first, and this was really interesting.
00:12:12.300 So the, I was talking about how he's like, we own the horror space and we should not allow voices like his in the horror space.
00:12:19.980 Huh.
00:12:20.300 This is a really interesting thing to say, and it shows how this memetic virus works.
00:12:26.520 It begins to infect a community.
00:12:28.460 And when I say infect a community, what I mean is the horror community being a normal, welcoming community,
00:12:33.560 welcomes people with all ideological perspectives into it.
00:12:36.940 But once you get a critical level of this ultra progressive, ultra urban monoculture perspective,
00:12:43.600 this, they now think they own the entire cultural category, in this case, horror.
00:12:50.620 And that they now have a duty to police entrance into this community.
00:12:56.500 Only people who, one, think like them and fit their cultural rules belong in this community.
00:13:01.840 But then he also reveals his hand about what he thinks about general society.
00:13:08.340 And at first he says they should not be welcome in our space.
00:13:10.360 But then he says they should not be welcomed in public in general.
00:13:14.660 Well, okay.
00:13:17.200 The argument being that they spread harmful messages, presumably?
00:13:22.460 No.
00:13:23.120 I mean, so we'll get to the arguments that he might use to justify this in his head.
00:13:26.000 But generally, he sees them as subhuman, not deserving of the same dignities of other human groups,
00:13:31.220 and that they should be treated as such.
00:13:33.720 And a lot of people don't understand how people can walk towards something like a holocaust,
00:13:39.360 and society may not recognize that they're walking in that direction.
00:13:42.780 A society where people like this person are tolerated is a society that is walking towards a holocaust.
00:13:48.680 Yeah, but dehumanization is the first step of any of this.
00:13:51.520 You can't do these things to people.
00:13:53.060 And elevating the murder of this family just for being in the wrong area is a positive thing.
00:13:58.520 And then he's also talking about who is the other.
00:14:00.720 Because he segments Christians, this is how we know he's bad, it's Appalachians, this is how we know he's bad.
00:14:05.740 But the most important thing in understanding how this larger mimetic structure works
00:14:09.480 is for a mimetic structure to stay stable like this, it needs to not encounter pushback, right?
00:14:16.800 A normal human, like if he had ever interacted with normal human content or normal human beings,
00:14:22.500 somebody would put a mirror to his face and be like, you are becoming a Nazi.
00:14:26.700 You are becoming the thing that you say you hate.
00:14:29.100 And he would then have this moment of self-reflection and maybe move away from these perspectives or double down, whatever.
00:14:34.920 But it keeps them from seeing that.
00:14:39.160 And keep in mind, I don't think that these mimetic structures are designed or they're done with self-interest.
00:14:42.480 It's just that certain iterations of them as structures spread better than others and are extinguished better than others.
00:14:47.140 By preventing individuals in those groups from interacting with anyone who might reflect back to them what they are becoming.
00:14:55.560 Anyone who might disagree with this extremist progressive view.
00:14:59.380 And the way that they identify these individuals is just general bigotry like Appalachians bad, Christians bad, etc.
00:15:06.940 But then also, if a person has ever interacted with anyone else who they have identified as immune to this mimetic structure,
00:15:17.160 then that person also cannot be interacted with.
00:15:21.180 And the reason I think that this has gone viral is actually this.
00:15:24.400 It was his list of associations of Wendigoon.
00:15:29.700 And he saw these associations as tainted.
00:15:32.280 Oh boy, yes.
00:15:33.060 And therefore, Wendigoon cannot be allowed at horror conventions.
00:15:36.880 Cannot be allowed to create horror content without being dogpiled on.
00:15:41.060 They want to expel all mimetic structures that are antagonistic to theirs from any community that they have infected.
00:15:46.660 And keep in mind, people can be like, why are you calling it like an infection or something like that?
00:15:51.240 It's about dehumanizing.
00:15:52.560 And it's like, when you have a group that so dehumanizes other individuals,
00:15:56.600 whether it's Nazi, like traditional German Nazism or this modern form of Nazism,
00:16:00.920 there is a reason that you need to go back and look at it like it's working, which is as a mimetic virus.
00:16:08.240 Because I don't think any human comes to these views intentionally.
00:16:11.120 I think if you played back this video of him today to him when he first started encountering these progressive views,
00:16:18.060 he'd be horrified.
00:16:18.920 He would recognize it for what it is, which is traditional fascism.
00:16:24.240 But what was really interesting, what always actually really hurt me,
00:16:27.540 whenever I was watching, because I watched tons of videos on this to prep for this,
00:16:31.380 is Wendigoon's list of friends.
00:16:33.520 Yeah, his friends was like, shoe on head.
00:16:35.840 And Mr. Ball and Brandon Buckingham.
00:16:38.140 And okay, what hurts me is I'm just like, wow, this guy is so cool.
00:16:42.440 Wendigoon is a horror conspiracy theorist YouTuber with several million subscribers,
00:16:46.460 has a dark past with deep ties to far-right extremism.
00:16:50.000 Wendigoon is very publicly friends with Turkey Tom.
00:16:52.680 He is friends with Muda Har.
00:16:54.040 He is publicly friends with Shoe on Head, who is a conservative masquerading as a leftist.
00:16:58.660 Could I ever be that cool to hang out with all of these famous YouTube personalities
00:17:03.060 who like I have parasocial relationships with through watching tons of their content?
00:17:06.640 And like, Mr. Ballin, what a bro.
00:17:09.260 Everything about Mr. Ballin is the nicest thing ever.
00:17:12.440 And he's so cool.
00:17:14.260 And then he calls, and this very interesting is the way he attacks Shoe on Head.
00:17:17.920 He is publicly friends with Shoe on Head, who is a conservative masquerading as a leftist,
00:17:23.000 who has built a career off of lazy anti-woke content, complaining about SJWs,
00:17:28.180 who says stuff like,
00:17:29.340 Karl Marx rising from the grave, finding out his movement has been taken over
00:17:33.180 by fat, ugly, mentally ill losers.
00:17:35.300 I mean...
00:17:38.920 God, I'd love to do something with Shoe on Head sometime.
00:17:41.520 So, Shoe on Head, he said that she's a fake liberal.
00:17:45.860 And that she's actually a conservative.
00:17:47.680 Because she's anti-woke extremism.
00:17:50.020 And this shows how this sort of extremist mehetic structure works.
00:17:53.800 Is somebody like Shoe on Head, who broadly from our perspective,
00:17:57.700 is pretty far progressive.
00:17:59.100 Isn't...
00:17:59.300 And then, please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm so bad with names,
00:18:02.320 but isn't Shoe on Head, like, one of the OG bread tube people?
00:18:06.480 A lot of people consider her that, but I wouldn't call her a bread tuber.
00:18:09.480 I generally don't like bread tubers, and I like Shoe on Head.
00:18:12.280 She's actually an atheist skeptic community person.
00:18:14.860 Oh, wow.
00:18:15.360 Okay.
00:18:15.540 So, Shoe later became a leftist who isn't left on the crazy left positions.
00:18:20.400 And the fact that he felt that being friends with her was a cancelable offense.
00:18:26.100 That's wild.
00:18:26.360 It's really interesting to me in how this mimetic structure works.
00:18:29.440 Yeah.
00:18:29.720 And that it's not just anti-conservative.
00:18:31.960 It's anti-anything that isn't extremist.
00:18:34.920 He's Robespierre-ing, honestly.
00:18:37.680 Yeah, Robespierre-ing.
00:18:38.720 So, explain what you mean by that.
00:18:39.860 You can think of Robespierre and the French Revolution as being one of the leaders that's associated with all the winch hunts and the beheadings.
00:18:47.060 And what happened with the French Revolution, very broadly speaking, I'm butchering this, ha, pun intended,
00:18:53.360 is that after basically all of the usual suspects and obvious people were beheaded in the French Revolution,
00:18:59.560 everyone just started turning on each other, and it was chaos, and suddenly no one was really safe.
00:19:04.580 And I think this is already happening, and this is maybe what's indicative of what's happening now within the woke movement,
00:19:09.120 is having run out of conservatives to cancel or centrists who are open about their opinions to cancel.
00:19:16.880 They're left canceling or attempting to cancel or attack people within their own, we'll say, like, broad culture,
00:19:24.480 because they're the only ones left talking.
00:19:26.520 They're the only ones left standing.
00:19:28.400 And I think that's kind of what's happening here.
00:19:30.200 I don't think that's what's happening here.
00:19:31.700 Yeah?
00:19:32.280 What's happening?
00:19:32.780 I think what's happening here is they see Shu on head, even though she is culturally aligned with their interests,
00:19:40.100 as being immune to the medic architecture, which makes up the virus.
00:19:46.120 And because she is immune to some elements of it, it's best to just remove her.
00:19:51.500 Excise her.
00:19:52.540 Yeah.
00:19:52.660 Excise her and anyone who interacts with her, because then any of these alternate memetic structures that she clearly has access to that have given her this immunity
00:20:01.680 are going to enter and potentially destroy the cohesion of their community.
00:20:07.020 Which isn't, like, I can see why you'd have an evolutionary pressure to move in that direction.
00:20:13.300 She's being so cute.
00:20:14.340 She's, like, smiling and stuff.
00:20:15.800 I don't know if you'll be able to see, but we're getting more and more smiles each day, Malcolm.
00:20:19.480 I'm so excited.
00:20:20.220 Oh, I love that.
00:20:21.840 You're so sweet.
00:20:23.220 But anyway, so another thing that's really interesting is how he justifies this dehumanization is very Nazi-like in structure.
00:20:31.340 So a lot of people don't know.
00:20:33.180 But he literally accuses him of being a Nazi for associated with people who at one time have owned or had or held guns that Nazis used.
00:20:43.380 He's really grasping at straws here.
00:20:45.740 No, not guns that Nazis used.
00:20:47.180 Just had guns.
00:20:48.060 According to one YouTube analysis of this I've heard, at one point there was one person who had or used a type of gun that Nazis used at one point.
00:20:58.100 And that was enough of a tenuous association of this YouTuber compared to arguments of Hitler breathes air.
00:21:04.220 So do you.
00:21:04.840 Therefore, you are like Hitler.
00:21:06.340 This guy wore Hawaiian shirts.
00:21:08.340 Oh, how dare.
00:21:09.820 How very boogaloo.
00:21:10.880 This is terrible.
00:21:11.680 This guy has repeatedly denounced the group.
00:21:14.080 No, you can't not denounce a group.
00:21:15.720 If you have any association, it's best to just remove you.
00:21:18.760 Only pure people.
00:21:20.160 And this is interesting, right?
00:21:21.600 Even if somebody now agrees with most of this guy's physicians, they lack purity.
00:21:26.080 You can only be allowed in their spaces or at least have a loud voice within their spaces if you are pure.
00:21:32.820 And it really reminds me of this sort of idea of Syrian purity and everything like that.
00:21:37.380 But it's more than that.
00:21:38.440 Because I want to talk about how the Nazis actually began to talk about the Jews and the groups that they would eventually cancel.
00:21:44.620 Let's cancel.
00:21:45.220 Sorry.
00:21:45.920 Genocide.
00:21:46.660 Cancel.
00:21:47.700 Is that what we're calling it now?
00:21:50.180 We got to cancel them.
00:21:51.400 So they would say that these groups were a threat to them.
00:21:55.220 And I think that's what people forget.
00:21:56.420 They said that these groups have taken most of society's wealth and that they control all of the businesses and that they now utilize this power to be a threat to us.
00:22:09.000 They caused us to lose World War II.
00:22:10.620 They've been sabotaging us.
00:22:13.100 And it's really reminiscent of, and I should be clear, Jews in Germany did not do this.
00:22:18.760 This is very reminiscent of the way that he, because he identifies as queer, who even knows if he's gay.
00:22:26.460 He's probably one of those, we would consider as somebody who actually supports the real LGBT community, fake iterations of trans, where it's like a cis guy who just identifies as whatever, non-binary, so that he can get access to spaces that really he doesn't have any business being in.
00:22:40.940 But anyway, identifies as queer, and he sees Republicans, like this alternate group, as trying to exterminate his group, even though we haven't seen that at all.
00:22:52.440 And people are like, oh, but what about all these anti-trans laws?
00:22:54.880 And I need to be clear, and we talk about this in other videos, there is a huge difference between being against people who are born in the wrong body and want to live their own lives,
00:23:04.300 and people who are actually sexualizing minors, who are actively, which is happening.
00:23:11.400 You can't, like, say this isn't happening.
00:23:13.240 Like, it is something that's happening.
00:23:15.200 I can post a clip here from a Turkey Tom.
00:23:17.660 Oh, Turkey Tom was another person who he got mad at the guy for knowing.
00:23:20.060 And Turkey Tom is such a leftist, he actually annoys me at times.
00:23:22.800 It's genuinely really good grooming advice.
00:23:25.120 On April 4th, 2023, postcard reveals he's in contact with four minors, age 9 to 13.
00:23:30.480 I've so far sent it to four minors between the ages of 9 and 13.
00:23:34.540 I hope it encourages them to transition.
00:23:36.360 When the Oncazone animation became a meme, they got excited over its virality among kids.
00:23:41.540 Man and Drain and Orion also fantasized about getting kids on hormones.
00:23:45.000 Orion was the manager, coercing him every step of the way.
00:23:47.980 This is apparent by how he talked about him to others.
00:23:50.460 Has he started hormones yet?
00:23:51.720 Yes, but not effectively.
00:23:53.040 I guess that's what you'd expect, just telling a retard to buy hormones.
00:23:56.040 They bought estrogen, but no anti-androgen.
00:23:58.040 It would have been more fun if he started hormone blockers at like 12.
00:24:01.360 Haha, isn't that true for everyone?
00:24:03.140 Don't worry, I'll make him into a good girl.
00:24:05.360 Don't blow up our spot, bro.
00:24:06.780 All T-slurs are like that.
00:24:08.160 If you can trust me around your kid, it'd be transphobic not to.
00:24:11.100 Me with daycare tots.
00:24:12.660 To Orion, and many of his associates, their identity was little more than a political shield.
00:24:17.180 It clearly worked, given he publicly fantasized about assaulting women in bathrooms.
00:24:21.360 Me when transphobic little girls ask me what I'm doing in the woman's restroom,
00:24:24.840 when I'm obviously a woman.
00:24:26.040 The two fantasized about assaulting J.K. Rowling's grandchildren.
00:24:30.340 Not letting T-slurs get with your kids is transphobic.
00:24:33.080 Someone should Harry Potter woman's grandkids.
00:24:35.600 Orion then goes on to call them turf meat.
00:24:37.940 But anyway, Turkey Tom, talking about this guy, he's like, yeah, we want to target these
00:24:41.680 underage people and try to get them to convert for our sexual gratification.
00:24:45.880 Like, this is something that's happening, and conservatives are trying to prevent this
00:24:49.160 because you don't want these types of people in and around kids.
00:24:51.900 And some of the ways that they try to handle it might be ham-fisted.
00:24:55.480 But it's not, I think, wrong-headed.
00:24:57.940 And I think that if you actually cared about the trans people who are just trying to live
00:25:00.660 their own lives, you would see that this group of people who is using the trans identity
00:25:05.380 to protect and to assist actions is a genuine threat to real trans people.
00:25:09.680 They're a genuine threat to lesbians.
00:25:11.300 They get in lesbian spaces and they harass them constantly and beat them up.
00:25:14.960 But we have another video on this.
00:25:16.600 They are a genuine threat to real gay men.
00:25:19.580 45% of gay men voted for Trump in the last election cycle, at least according to the
00:25:22.740 one poll I could find on this.
00:25:24.100 They don't identify with this.
00:25:25.840 And yet they get smeared and they have to deal with the negative consequences of these
00:25:29.680 types of individuals.
00:25:30.400 So the point being is that there isn't actually a right-wing attack on the queer community
00:25:36.140 at all.
00:25:36.800 If anything, the group most defensive of the real OG queer community, people who just want
00:25:43.860 to live their own lives instead of aggressively forcing ideology on other people, which is
00:25:48.300 more of an ideological movement than a movement about just let me be who I am, that is the
00:25:52.640 right-leaning community because they are doing what they can to fight the mal-actors.
00:25:56.580 But anyway, I think that they have, it's just as a structure of their arguments and the
00:26:01.240 way they've been able to motivate this fear and justify these immoral acts in their community
00:26:05.440 are so reminiscent of Nazis and the way that the Nazi movement came to power.
00:26:12.220 And it is interesting that they have no internal reflection on this, that at no moment does
00:26:18.100 he, wait, I just said that all of a population groups thinks a certain way or acts a certain
00:26:23.100 way.
00:26:23.400 Or I just said that all of a certain population group shouldn't be allowed in public.
00:26:26.960 And this group includes things like Christians.
00:26:29.980 That's like religious culture.
00:26:31.300 Like, how can you say that's different than being Jews, right?
00:26:34.060 Oh my God.
00:26:35.060 Christians have structural power and money in our society.
00:26:38.240 And that's what the Nazis said about the Jews.
00:26:39.900 Like, that is the way this, no, I don't think it descends directly from Nazism.
00:26:45.900 I just think it's a convergently evolved memetic structure that is very good at purifying spaces.
00:26:53.320 They enter a community.
00:26:54.300 And this is also why you've got to be so vigilant within your communities about individuals like
00:26:57.500 this.
00:26:58.000 Yeah.
00:26:58.160 Because they enter a community and then eventually they say, no, this is our community.
00:27:03.020 And the best way to fight against this, and this is the other thing I've really found
00:27:06.140 interesting about this whole event, it's very much like Tom and Jerry, like shooting himself
00:27:11.300 in the face.
00:27:11.840 Trying to, like Jerry bends the gun back and then it shoots him in the face, is that it
00:27:24.520 completely backfired on him.
00:27:26.640 And he's being hard canceled right now.
00:27:29.000 And I don't think this would have happened a year or two ago.
00:27:32.500 I think a year or two ago, something like this may have been partially successful.
00:27:37.000 And so I think that we are actually seeing, even from within leftist spaces, an understanding
00:27:44.680 of the toxicity of this extremist memetic subgroup and an isolation and quarantining of it, or
00:27:51.780 at least a shaming of it to the extent that other people will stop doing this.
00:27:56.860 At least they do it so sloppily.
00:27:58.920 This was very sloppy.
00:28:00.940 Yeah, but that's how you end cancellations of the concept.
00:28:04.360 Yeah.
00:28:04.640 Like we might be seeing the beginning of the end of cancellation.
00:28:08.640 This could be the last cancellation.
00:28:10.260 I'm not saying it's the last, but look, last weekend, somebody tried to cancel us, right?
00:28:14.380 There was an article on us and people tried to cancel us for using corporal punishment
00:28:18.440 with our kids.
00:28:19.160 Very light corporal punishment with our kids, which it's like 75% of Americans do.
00:28:22.860 And the research backs, and we've done episodes on this, but there was old research in the
00:28:27.200 80s that didn't back this.
00:28:28.320 But I love how so many people are like living in 80s world where they're like, the world population
00:28:32.880 is growing forever.
00:28:34.460 Republicans hate the gays.
00:28:36.800 Or I'm like, bro, like none of that stuff has been true for a long time at this point.
00:28:41.500 Yeah.
00:28:41.660 Or what was I talking about here?
00:28:44.260 Or corporal punishment.
00:28:45.280 Everyone agrees that's bad.
00:28:46.700 That's a large amount of studies.
00:28:47.920 No, actually, it's probably lightly beneficial.
00:28:49.920 So you, where were they going with this?
00:28:53.940 So what we could see is society corrects.
00:28:56.900 We get a sane Republican base again and a sane progressive base again.
00:29:00.560 And I'd really like to see that.
00:29:03.260 And that is when people say what is one of our core agendas, and it's something we talk
00:29:07.960 a lot about internally, is to create a sane Republican party.
00:29:12.760 A Republican party that has a philosophical consistency throughout it.
00:29:17.300 A larger philosophical underpinning behind it instead of the broad populism.
00:29:21.740 And I'm not saying that that's all Trump is these days.
00:29:24.000 I actually really support Trump.
00:29:26.100 I think he's a great president.
00:29:27.920 Speaking of gays, the first president in American history that supported gay marriage when he
00:29:32.280 was elected.
00:29:33.120 Obama didn't do that.
00:29:34.320 So let's be clear here.
00:29:36.400 This is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about their old narratives are just off.
00:29:39.300 But I think that the larger structure of, there isn't a deep philosophical sophistication
00:29:46.680 behind the new cluster of ideas that's making up the modern Republican movement.
00:29:51.920 And I think some individuals trying to bring that in, who I like, like Bap, Bronze Age
00:29:56.940 Pervert, I think is fantastic.
00:29:58.480 I think he's like the artsy version of maybe what we're doing.
00:30:01.700 Then there's individuals like us and before us, like Curtis, who have been trying to, I think,
00:30:05.800 create a philosophical theory of the modern or post-Trump Republican ideology, which for
00:30:13.220 us is very much one bull moose Republicanism, not just big government bad, but all large
00:30:18.300 bureaucracies bad, big companies, big everything like that bad.
00:30:20.580 And that we should see the conservative movement as a diverse, pluralistic alliance against the
00:30:25.660 urban monoculture, against unanimity.
00:30:27.800 This idea that this other guy's pushing for, that everyone needs to think the same, everyone
00:30:30.560 needs to act the same, that there should be allowed no diverse perspectives.
00:30:34.200 And that is achieved through cultural sovereignty, through allowing for homeschooling, allowing
00:30:39.460 the money to follow the student, allowing somebody to not take a vaccine when they want to.
00:30:47.820 It's allowing this cultural autonomy that I think can drive this next iteration.
00:30:55.120 So a hatred of large bureaucracies and cultural autonomy above all else.
00:30:59.040 And I think you can build a larger cultural framework around that, antagonists to the
00:31:04.160 urban monoculture and the pluralist alliance against the urban monoculture, which is driven
00:31:07.960 by an undercurrent of vitality, fighting the nihilism that we increasingly see on the
00:31:12.100 progressive side.
00:31:12.760 Now, I think that the nihilism on the progressive side can be subverted.
00:31:16.100 And I've really been heartened by the progressive response to this guy, because before it was
00:31:21.700 progressive, what we saw was Gamergate 1 and Gamergate 2.
00:31:24.160 I've always said that their biggest mistake is that they don't, they always back the bad
00:31:29.660 guy.
00:31:30.560 Yeah.
00:31:31.220 The five guys girl who was colluding and sleeping with people she was writing stories on was
00:31:36.240 clearly the bad guy.
00:31:37.500 She did not deserve to be defended.
00:31:39.540 Sweet Baby Inc. was clearly the bad guy.
00:31:42.140 They were creating bad games.
00:31:44.480 They were destroying franchises.
00:31:46.520 They were, I've described it as like buying somebody's like childhood home.
00:31:49.680 People can't understand why people hate like remakes and stuff like this, where it's a
00:31:53.860 bunch of woke stuff.
00:31:54.640 They're like, just don't watch it or something.
00:31:55.920 I feel like if somebody like bought your childhood home and then covered it in banners about how
00:31:59.140 much they hate you and how much, how stupid you are and how racist you are, even if you're
00:32:02.660 not racist, how homophobic you are, even if you're not homophobic, you'd be like, and
00:32:06.060 then put like blaring signs around it and walked around shouting mean stuff about you all
00:32:10.320 day.
00:32:10.480 That would have the nostalgia mixed with the degradation would hurt.
00:32:16.160 And it's designed to hurt.
00:32:17.460 And yeah, I can understand people's reaction to Sweet Baby Inc.
00:32:21.260 And the bigotry of Sweet Baby Inc.
00:32:22.580 These are people like the people who are running it said a lot of bigoted stuff against white
00:32:25.820 people.
00:32:26.360 And I think that this is the other thing that the Republican Party, we were looking at
00:32:28.780 starting an anti-DEI consulting group.
00:32:30.540 And what we're looking at is like anti-bigotry or something like that, because that's what
00:32:34.900 I see that says, and I think that's what Republicans need to stand for going forwards, is fighting
00:32:38.800 bigotry and radicalism.
00:32:41.280 And I think that when you are fighting bigotry and radicalism, you are fighting DEI.
00:32:46.080 You are fighting people like this who represent, I think, forms of bigotry that everyone across
00:32:52.280 the spectrum can agree is morally abhorrent.
00:32:54.880 Yeah, it's encouraging.
00:32:55.860 I love not only, though, that we're seeing this backlash, but the politeness of the backlash.
00:33:02.920 And I feel like Wendigoon's response to this was so gentlemanly, in such good form, that
00:33:09.000 it also gave me a lot of hope, because it's one thing for there to be a backlash.
00:33:14.760 It's another thing for the backlash to represent civility, cordial behavior, kindness, understanding,
00:33:23.780 empathy.
00:33:24.620 And that's all stuff that was present in Wendigoon's response, because obviously a witch
00:33:29.280 hunt to solve a witch hunt isn't really going to make this problem any better.
00:33:32.600 And one of my concerns recently with regard to the backlash against woke has been that
00:33:38.960 as much as there is an increase in pushback, really what we're seeing is not a return to
00:33:44.400 some kind of normal, a market correction of society, so much as it is increased polarization
00:33:50.420 and just that more people are moving to the other pole because they're getting rejected
00:33:55.720 from one.
00:33:56.340 And this suggests that we might have some hope of reaching a new equilibrium of broad
00:34:03.820 sanity instead of just extreme polarization that just gets worse and worse over time.
00:34:08.800 Yeah.
00:34:09.420 And I had a goal of everyone, like us trying to make the conservative party more sane.
00:34:13.360 I think that most progressives should be doing everything they can to cheer us on for what
00:34:17.020 we're trying to do, right?
00:34:18.180 We accomplish their aims much better than they do.
00:34:21.240 But for us, the progressives that are fighting against him also are accomplishing our aims better
00:34:25.560 than we can within the progressive side.
00:34:28.040 Because what we want America to become is two parties that are having a disagreement over
00:34:34.240 the best way to run the country.
00:34:36.640 Yeah.
00:34:37.000 And we all care.
00:34:38.120 We all care.
00:34:38.720 We want good outcomes.
00:34:39.620 It's not like people are acting in bad faith here.
00:34:41.740 But when you get groups that genuinely want to exterminate another group, you can't relate
00:34:46.580 to them in that way.
00:34:47.560 No.
00:34:47.700 When you get people like him who so dehumanize somebody like me that he would be excited about
00:34:52.680 our family being murdered, that is, because we see in a family like the Hills Have Eyes,
00:34:57.440 that I also think that also the rules that he was using there are interesting.
00:35:02.220 That it was okay for them to be murdered because they had encroached on another cultural group's
00:35:06.880 space.
00:35:08.620 Yet he thinks nothing.
00:35:10.920 And so one, that shows his justification of what he thinks is appropriate to do when
00:35:15.480 conservatives enter progressive spaces that he believes they have ownership over,
00:35:19.100 like the horror community.
00:35:19.960 Yeah.
00:35:20.780 But in addition to that, it shows how much the rules apply to you, but not me.
00:35:26.000 He thinks his cultural group should be able to invade anyone's space because it is the
00:35:30.160 correct cultural group.
00:35:31.880 He should be able to tell other people, which he does in the video, how they should be able
00:35:37.000 to use Native American words and stuff like that, even though Windigoon actually does have
00:35:41.400 Native American heritage and this guy doesn't.
00:35:43.300 Oh, really?
00:35:43.700 He believes that he should be able to police the use of the word Windigo because he has
00:35:49.180 the right views, the progressive views, and therefore he can encroach on Native ideological
00:35:54.980 spaces and weaponize them for his agenda, which just shows the way that, I'll add the clip
00:36:02.380 from my favorite Gap Year song.
00:36:03.860 I was in Africa in Tunsternal.
00:36:08.340 I saw this woman with malaria.
00:36:12.500 And she looked at me with this vacant stare as if to say, in spite of our differences,
00:36:17.040 you and I are one.
00:36:19.060 And then I just thundered everywhere.
00:36:22.040 I was in South America, in Pará.
00:36:32.160 Pará.
00:36:34.080 No.
00:36:35.040 Pará, darling.
00:36:35.800 Pará.
00:36:38.200 Peru.
00:36:39.040 Oh, yeah, I know.
00:36:39.660 Pará, Pará, yeah.
00:36:41.200 Wonderful country.
00:36:42.560 You know, beautiful people, yeah.
00:36:45.020 Yeah, I knew that we were drinking in the Andes and the sun was just rising and glinting
00:36:50.640 off the snow, creating this sort of ethereal haze, and I really got a sense of the course
00:36:58.160 and power of nature and the insignificance of man.
00:37:01.800 And then I just thundered everywhere.
00:37:05.360 That progressives relate to other cultural groups?
00:37:07.620 Of beautiful people.
00:37:08.900 Oh, lovely country, beautiful people, like tapping them on the head, like just completely
00:37:12.360 dehumanizing them.
00:37:13.180 He said there's nothing other than set dressing for his ideological perspective.
00:37:17.100 Progressives, instead of, this is what we say about progressives, like they think that
00:37:21.040 everyone's the same.
00:37:21.800 Like how can we, how can diversity have value if everyone's the same, right?
00:37:27.120 Diversity only has value because we're different in our proficiencies, perspectives, et cetera.
00:37:32.200 And that all of these have a value until they reach a state where their goal is to erase
00:37:40.120 everyone who's different from them.
00:37:41.520 And I think that this is actually really interesting is if you look at these two ideological
00:37:46.860 perspectives, they can be like, Malcolm, aren't you doing what he's doing?
00:37:49.500 I'm like, no, I am okay.
00:37:51.340 And we've always said this with every group, no matter how distant they are from us existing,
00:37:54.940 so long as their end goal isn't to erase every other ideological group on earth.
00:37:59.640 Now this puts us at odds with some Christian groups and stuff like that.
00:38:02.480 And we're able to work with them now because we have short-term reasons to work together.
00:38:07.820 Well, and to keep in mind, we're also not trying to dehumanize those groups.
00:38:11.380 Those groups are in some ways less of an asshole than our groups and in some ways more of an
00:38:16.380 asshole, which is to say we're in the mind of not everyone can be saved.
00:38:21.140 People who are not among the elect are just going to not be among the elect.
00:38:24.080 Which in a way makes us more of an asshole, right?
00:38:25.660 Exactly.
00:38:26.220 But these other groups are like, yes, we want to save everyone, but therefore everyone has
00:38:30.980 to be like us, which is both not assholey because they care about saving anyone, everyone,
00:38:35.660 but assholey because they're-
00:38:37.400 But it's also very similar to his ideological.
00:38:39.280 So if he can hate these Christians who are like, we're just trying to save your soul, man.
00:38:42.720 He thinks that if everybody acted like him and was part of this cultural group, and that's
00:38:47.180 what we talk about is when they attack us for spanking, we're like 90% of black families
00:38:51.720 spank.
00:38:52.220 And they're like, oh, obviously my criticisms of you don't apply to them, but secretly they
00:38:56.660 do.
00:38:56.980 Secretly you do plan to wipe out that practice in their communities, even though it is what's
00:39:00.860 culturally normal for them.
00:39:01.980 You believe you have this-
00:39:03.160 The people have actually not even been secretive about that.
00:39:05.060 They're just like, oh, they're just less educated.
00:39:07.180 Because I'm watching the discourse online.
00:39:08.840 Often people are saying, yeah, and that's not acceptable either.
00:39:14.000 Yeah.
00:39:14.200 So they do have this cultural imperialism goal, but they believe that there's this positive
00:39:18.560 end state from their goal.
00:39:20.180 And then if they come to us and they're like, how are you so sure there isn't a positive
00:39:23.260 end state for my goal?
00:39:24.700 And I'm like, bro, have you been around an ultra-progressive community?
00:39:28.260 You guys want to have terrible mental health.
00:39:30.380 You're riddled with anxiety.
00:39:31.680 You're riddled with depression.
00:39:32.880 You're constantly infighting.
00:39:34.980 You are barely staying stable without your weekly visits to psychiatrists, which you're
00:39:40.440 not seeing in conservative communities.
00:39:42.120 It's clear that this sociological structure that you've built doesn't work.
00:39:47.060 And that's why we don't want you spreading it to our kids.
00:39:49.940 They're like, oh, we're going to rescue your kids.
00:39:51.300 And I'm like, what the hell?
00:39:52.620 You're not rescuing my kids.
00:39:54.220 I have seen how terrible this structure you've built is.
00:39:56.740 And maybe in the 90s, you could have claimed that it would work if enough people tried
00:40:00.940 it.
00:40:01.380 But I think that's lost plausible deniability at this point.
00:40:04.700 Yeah.
00:40:05.640 And yeah, but I do believe that there is a sane progressivism, like shoe on head progressivism.
00:40:10.080 I think that there is a place that they can go.
00:40:12.380 And wouldn't it be so great if this isn't the first of the cancellations we see blow up
00:40:16.800 in someone's face?
00:40:17.400 And I was mentioning, like the cancellation on us, it basically just increased our public
00:40:22.440 footprint.
00:40:23.860 That was it.
00:40:24.560 That's what came out of it, which we are incredibly lucky that happened.
00:40:29.120 Yeah, that's exciting.
00:40:30.180 What a good development.
00:40:31.880 And yeah, so go to more cancellations.
00:40:34.020 And hopefully one day, if any of the people mentioned in this video, other than the Improse
00:40:38.240 of Shadows guys, he just seems to be completely are like, hey, I watch your content.
00:40:41.840 I'd love to reach out sometime.
00:40:43.080 Please do.
00:40:43.500 Because this guy seemed to have the coolest group of friends ever, and I'm jelly.
00:40:47.800 But then I reflect on like our group.
00:40:49.700 We've got like Pearly Things watches us, and we've done her show before.
00:40:52.780 She's one of our subscribers.
00:40:53.840 I don't know how much she actually watches us, but I like her a lot.
00:40:56.460 It'd be cool if we did more stuff with her.
00:40:58.060 And then we've got the normal crew.
00:41:00.180 I guess some people are like, yeah, but you get to hang out with Scott Alexander and Richard
00:41:03.060 Hanania and all that.
00:41:03.920 And I'm like, yeah.
00:41:05.300 And Curtis Yarvin, the nerd crew.
00:41:07.300 Which is really cool.
00:41:08.600 It is.
00:41:08.940 But I love how within the online influencer spheres, there's like our sphere.
00:41:13.080 Which is like nerdy intellectual dissidents.
00:41:16.300 And then there's like the cool popular dissident circle.
00:41:20.300 The non-rationalist adjacent.
00:41:22.160 Yeah, the non-rationalist adjacent.
00:41:23.960 The people who look more like they love.
00:41:25.420 The popular kids.
00:41:26.340 And I really see them as that.
00:41:27.560 Like he's listing off this list of names.
00:41:29.800 And I'm like, oh, that's like the aspirational sane popular people.
00:41:33.420 Anyway.
00:41:35.180 I love you to Desdemone.
00:41:36.800 You are amazing.
00:41:39.420 And I really appreciate you.
00:41:41.360 And do you have any final thoughts on this?
00:41:44.080 No, I'm glad you shared the story with me.
00:41:45.800 I had not heard anything about this.
00:41:48.040 So love me some internet gossip.
00:41:51.060 All right.
00:41:51.820 Have a good one.
00:41:52.820 One quick side here where I would actually criticize Windigoon's response to this is he was very big on saying that people should not attack this person for what he's done.
00:42:01.760 And I appreciate the optics of that statement.
00:42:04.260 But if this man is not seen as being attacked for what he has done, then more people will attempt this sort of behavior in the future.
00:42:13.960 It is very important, not from the perspective of this person being hurt, which I think is bad and everything like that.
00:42:20.680 Because, you know, clearly he's just a mentally disturbed person at this point, you know.
00:42:25.400 But that mental disturbance that he has is a contagious one.
00:42:30.140 And if the public doesn't see that there are negative repercussions for these kinds of actions, then this is going to happen more in the future to people who may not have so many high profile friends.
00:42:42.300 And so it is very important that publicly this guy gets taken down.
00:42:47.660 Do it.
00:42:48.860 And let the English see you do it.
00:42:50.780 And I will say in the response to this, if you're like maybe he was a good person, maybe he was an off day, he said my heart was in the right place.
00:42:57.820 You know, you can't know whether your heart is objectively like a good or bad heart.
00:43:02.940 But you can know the heart you really have.
00:43:04.860 And what he said with that is I still believe in my heart of hearts that what I did was right.
00:43:11.100 And as such, he shows that who he is in his heart of hearts is just a black heart.
00:43:17.240 He is a bad person at this point.
00:43:20.140 And I don't know.
00:43:20.800 I don't think he was born a bad person, but he has gotten to that point.
00:43:24.160 I don't think the Nazis were born bad people necessarily, but that's where he is today.
00:43:28.480 He was susceptible to a certain self-reinforcing set of memes that has led him to this point.
00:43:34.320 And yes, he can break out of it, but it would be the equivalent of cult deprogramming at this point,
00:43:38.780 which is very hard in a society that's controlled by a particular cult.
00:43:42.960 I hate episodes where I have to have my notes up because your picture is smaller.
00:43:47.500 Oh, you are so romantic.
00:43:50.380 How did I on earth earn someone as wonderful as you?
00:43:55.560 Although, you know what?
00:43:56.440 We've gone kind of full circle with me dressing weird.
00:43:59.220 You met me when I dressed like a weird ass hipster, and now I'm back to dressing like a weird ass hipster.
00:44:04.480 I don't think you look like a weird, you look like a, I'm probably going to label this video something like Trad Wife Reacts or something.
00:44:12.320 Like I did with the, what was it, Gamergate 2 controversy?
00:44:17.680 I was just watching a YouTube video commenting on Trad Wives, and kind of one of the big points they were making is Trad Wives don't publish content about actually being Trad Wives.
00:44:26.620 Like, they never actually show themselves vacuuming or anything.
00:44:29.680 It's always preparing elaborate meals or talking about serving their husbands, and I should just create a Trad Wives series where I'm like, this is me wiping up shit again.
00:44:38.860 Here's me pulling pebbles of shit out of the bathtub.
00:44:41.660 Here's me scraping shit out of underwear.
00:44:45.000 Most of a Trad Wife's life is just around cleaning shit off of things.
00:44:48.440 Yeah.
00:44:48.720 Here's me using a tool to get shit in between the floorboards.
00:44:52.320 Oh my god.
00:44:54.880 I am just delighted to be talking to you, because today we didn't do our strategy walks.
00:44:59.160 I missed it.
00:44:59.800 And I'm putting all this at the end like I normally do, like our just chat.
00:45:02.420 You don't have to put it in at all.
00:45:03.720 No one needs to know about how much shit I put up with.
00:45:07.340 Oh yeah, we want to make being a parent look good, right?
00:45:10.180 We gotta-
00:45:10.600 Yes, you gotta make it fun.
00:45:12.860 This is why Trad Wives don't publish that and or hire people to do it for them.
00:45:18.180 Unlike us, because we're too cheap to do that shit.
00:45:20.700 Oh shoot, what was this guy's channel's name again?
00:45:25.520 Oh, the one that talked about Wendigo?
00:45:29.500 It's in praise of Shadow.
00:45:31.620 I'll compose myself for this, because this is one where I'm not probably going to put hot takes
00:45:34.840 at the beginning, because I'm going to start with-