Based Camp - Are Cucks More Based than Kink Shamers？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I had an interesting thing that happened in an episode recently where

00:00:05.300 Rye Nationalist was on. We were talking about Jack Murphy, who used to be a famous sort of

00:00:10.060 conservative influencer who had this club and this podcast and everything like that.

00:00:15.560 And then it turned out that he was in to being cucked, specifically his girlfriend sleeping 1.00

00:00:21.500 with other people and into putting things in his butt. And we're going to go over all of that. 0.99

00:00:26.440 I wasn't like we weren't conservative influencers when that happened. Right. So like

00:00:30.400 we had nothing to say on that when that happened. But when I heard this, my first intuition was to

00:00:36.820 be like, oh, I feel kind of bad for him. Like I didn't have like embarrassing fetishes that I had

00:00:44.660 to worry about like that. You know, like this is what turned him on, you know? And you don't get

00:00:50.300 to choose what turns you on and what turns you on isn't a reflection of your morality either.

00:00:55.180 Yeah.

00:00:56.560 Yeah.

00:00:59.860 And it made me think a question, right? Like I want to go into all of this again and I want

00:01:24.760 to go into it, you know, as the, the new right and the tech right is sort of consolidating

00:01:29.280 as a ideological perspective and you and I are some of the, I'd say primary regular influencers

00:01:37.860 shaping that ideological perspective. What should be like, as we uncuck ourselves from the left,

00:01:46.020 as we de-brainwash, de-program ourselves, what should our perspective be on kink shaming? 0.83

00:01:57.320 Like is kink shaming something that we should continue to do? Is it certain kinks for which 1.00

00:02:04.100 you continue to do it? And here I would note when I talk about kink shaming, I need to be as clear as 1.00

00:02:08.360 I can about this. This does not include instances in which somebody else without your consent forces

00:02:15.760 you to participate in their kink.

00:02:17.020 Yeah. Yeah. That is, that's very different.

00:02:19.640 They talk to you about their kink. That means they dress up as their kink in a public context. 0.99

00:02:25.980 That means they go to children's book readings in their kink. Here I am talking about things that

00:02:31.200 people do in private. And the reason why I think it's, it's bad to pretend like all kinks are bad

00:02:38.480 is well, our book, the pregnant sky to sexuality, we did a survey on this just to see how common kinks 0.83

00:02:44.460 are right. Like non-normative arousal patterns. And we found that the average person is aroused by 22

00:02:52.520 weird things. People have, people have a, I need to cut that out because there's no more swearing on this

00:02:59.100 show. A basket of kinks. It was 23.1 for men and 20.8 for women. So not even like that different. 0.96

00:03:09.220 Oh, and if you're like, how clustered are these? There was a study of 2,300 people in the UK

00:03:14.240 showing that roughly 75% had some kink. So the vast majority of people have a kink. Our society works 0.92

00:03:25.000 because we do not talk about it. All right, kid, here's the deal. At any given time,

00:03:31.560 around 75% of the people you interact with are perverts in some way. Most of them right here in

00:03:36.200 Manhattan. And most of them are decent enough. They're just trying to make a living. Cab drivers.

00:03:40.080 Not as many as you'd think. Humans, for the most part, don't have a clue. They don't want one or

00:03:43.520 need one either. They're happy. They think they have a good bead on things. Well, why write a big secret?

00:03:48.640 People are smart. They can handle it. The person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals,

00:03:54.200 and you know it. 1,500 years ago, everybody knew the earth was the center of the universe. 1.00

00:03:59.720 500 years ago, everybody knew the earth was flat. And 15 minutes ago, you knew that people were

00:04:05.440 mostly just turned on by the opposite sex. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow. 0.99

00:04:09.940 What's the catch? The catch? The catch is...

00:04:12.720 Just because you're aroused by something doesn't mean you have to indulge in it. And that doesn't mean

00:04:18.060 it's okay to talk about this stuff in public. You keep that to yourself. Or...

00:04:22.920 You will sever every human contact. Nobody will ever know you exist. Anywhere. Ever.

00:04:27.840 I'll give you the sunrise to think it over. Hey, is it worth it? If you're strong enough.

00:04:33.200 But it's a thing where it's like, you can have something unusual that arouses you without

00:04:38.700 communicating it to other people. 100%. And without acting on it.

00:04:43.060 And without acting on it. But there's multiple categories here. Like, if it's deleterious to

00:04:48.000 other people, I can see, do not act on it. Right? If it is, like, there's, you know, if it's like,

00:04:56.660 you know, just you're masturbating to it or something like that, I think that's a very

00:04:59.980 different category than going out and doing it in public. Like, say, if you're gay, right? Well, 0.99

00:05:05.920 that might be a too offensive one to choose. What's a less offensive one to choose? Because I was going

00:05:10.900 to say, like, it's harder to get married and have lots of kids if you don't have a lot of money, 0.99

00:05:14.480 if you're gay. So it's better to just, if you're not like a successful tech bro, just not act on it 0.99

00:05:21.300 if your end outcome is having a lot of kids. But that doesn't mean that, like, there's necessarily

00:05:26.240 this huge moral negative to, like, masturbating to it or something. And by the way, this does reduce

00:05:31.800 the incident of, like, people like, oh, like, masturbating to something makes you want it more.

00:05:36.280 And it's like, no, like, the actual studies are very categorical.

00:05:39.640 Well, you know, Ayla's latest substack, as of the time of this recording, is her earnest argument

00:05:45.060 in following up on her most controversial tweet, saying that if we had more AI, PDA,

00:05:54.120 file porn, fewer children would be harmed. So she's making the same argument.

00:05:59.760 Well, I, that is what got me thinking about this, but I wasn't going to include that as part of the

00:06:05.400 argument. I'm just pointing out what you're saying.

00:06:08.040 No, I'm saying that gets too spicy. I'm just talking generally kink-shaming on the right.

00:06:12.260 But, you know, if you look at, like, porn more generally, like, the idea that, oh,

00:06:17.600 porn makes you do bad things, in countries where porn was illegal and then it was made legal,

00:06:22.840 the amount of child SA decreased by 50%.

00:06:27.100 Yeah, it is clearly, if you care about children, you are not going to ban porn.

00:06:32.620 Yes. But, but it's like, okay, when people don't have access, and it was repeated in other countries

00:06:37.880 where they did this, it's just like a really persistent thing. In the United States, as access

00:06:41.660 to the internet increases, which is basically access to porn, rates of sexual assault also go down.

00:06:46.540 Like, this is a very clear correlation. You are arguing for an aesthetic and not real,

00:06:52.200 like an individual who says, I am against child SA, and I am against pornography is similar to a

00:07:00.780 environmentalist who is like, I am against global warming, and I am against nuclear power plants.

00:07:05.500 It's like those two things might be aesthetically aligned. But if you logically actually cared about

00:07:11.580 the first thing, you wouldn't be pro the second thing. Because again, the people who are engaging,

00:07:16.220 but what I wanted to get to here was this idea of, of this guy, what he did, his downfall,

00:07:24.340 other conservatives, because there's other conservatives, the guy who ran the Proud Boys,

00:07:27.140 apparently, he did a thing that apparently a lot of people have criticized him for, 0.96

00:07:31.860 being like, oh, you know, anal stimulation in males is something that you can try without being like 0.98

00:07:38.500 less masculine, right? Okay. I mean, just the sheer number of dudes who show up in ERs with, 0.99

00:07:44.380 I slipped in the shower and something random up their butt shows that this is actually way more

00:07:48.760 common than people want to let on. Well, yeah. But I mean, also like biologically, 0.89

00:07:54.580 like if you're just looking at like the, the, the stimulation points of males, like the interior

00:07:59.140 prostate is one of the stimulation points that a person could be using. If we're talking just pure

00:08:04.660 logistics. Yeah. If you're looking for more ways to feel things. If you're looking for pure

00:08:08.660 logistics of how to maximize your turn on. Yeah. And the funniest thing about Simone and I is I

00:08:15.080 think one of the reasons we engage in sexuality topics so much is we find it so intellectually

00:08:21.160 perplexing. Like I think if I actually had like a bunch of skeletons in my closet or something,

00:08:27.120 I wouldn't be doing this because I'd be so afraid, but like, actually we're more like, yeah, humans, 0.94

00:08:32.180 like sex is gross. Like this, this whole thing is gross and you can intellectualize it or engage 0.62

00:08:38.380 with it, but some people. Well, it's like watching, you know, pigeons court each other and being kind

00:08:45.980 of disgusted and asking why do they do that? That is. Yeah. Yeah. But, but I also, you know,

00:08:52.940 feel like Jack Murphy, for example, he didn't choose to have this. Like he was dealing with

00:08:57.180 an entire category of temptation that I have never had to deal with. Yeah. And that's rough.

00:09:06.500 Building up an influencer career is hard work. It is a lot of work and a lot of risk and to have

00:09:14.820 done that and then have that destroyed. No, no. He did other things when he was caught with this,

00:09:20.440 you know, we'll get, we'll get into all that. It made me be like, should we normalize this in,

00:09:26.420 in the new right? Not the old right. The old right can do whatever the hell they want. Like

00:09:29.620 the religious funny duddies. Okay. They're always going to be sex negative. Yeah. Only sex in 0.86

00:09:33.320 marriage, whatever. Right. But we're not that, you know? So what, what do we, what do we think

00:09:39.940 about this? Let's go into this. So this is, I'm going to be combining some various articles and some

00:09:46.380 various AI asks and stuff like that in like a narrative sense where I felt like it was interesting

00:09:50.880 information. All right. He incurred the wrath of the online right when he rudely responded to

00:09:56.120 podcaster, Sydney Watson, asking him about the cuck article. The article in question was a 2018 piece

00:10:02.800 Murphy wrote on cultivating erotic energy from a surprising source. The source being sending his

00:10:09.740 girlfriend to have sex with other men. And if I put it. He publicly talked about this. It wasn't like it 1.00

00:10:15.260 leaked. No, he publicly talked about this. Wow. Okay. So he felt really comfortable. He felt really

00:10:22.600 comfortable about this. Yeah. If I post the stories here, it's today I sent my adoring, loyal, hot,

00:10:28.560 young girlfriend of two years to have sex with a stranger from Tinder. She is currently at his

00:10:34.280 apartment, checked in with me via text and is presumably sucking and effing her way to a good 1.00

00:10:40.840 time. I'm alone writing. So he has a humiliation fetish too. No, he, that blog post was part of 0.98

00:10:47.180 it. He was, yeah, he was jizzing onto his audience with that. That is, that's like including your

00:10:53.600 audience in this, which again, I don't think is great. Like, I think that that, that is, that is

00:10:57.440 like, Hey, you guys want to be a part of like me using, using an audience to get yourself off. I'm not

00:11:03.600 like, no. Okay. So in 2015, Murphy wrote an art detailing the experience of his girlfriend have

00:11:12.460 sex with a stranger from Tinder, describing it as a source of erotic energy. He framed cuckolding 0.82

00:11:18.600 as a manifestation of his control writing today. I sent my adoring, a loyal, hung did blah, blah,

00:11:24.660 blah. That suggests he was experimenting and intellectualizing was unconventional sexual

00:11:29.060 practices. And then later after that, Murphy admitted to producing and posting amateur pornographic

00:11:35.380 content with his fiance around 2019 driven by financial desperation. He stated, we didn't have

00:11:40.860 any money coming in and there were no jobs at all. I was lost and desperate. So my fiance and I did

00:11:46.920 camp porn at home. People paid us to F on the couch. We made thousands of dollars. These videos 0.95

00:11:53.500 live stream publicly on platforms for tips included acts with his fiance and solo performances

00:11:58.820 by Murphy. So there's no problem with that, but everyone's consenting there. Everyone wins

00:12:02.940 there because he clearly enjoys this and she, I guess, wait, like PJ media national file claimed 0.99

00:12:22.200 that certain solo acts involved Murphy using a dildo for anal stimulation. For example, national file, 0.99

00:12:28.540 article references a torrent with a username linked to Murphy bigbeard1000 containing content under a

00:12:36.540 folder called bear. Oh yeah, that is definitely. Suggesting homoerotic material, but I mean,

00:12:52.140 that's for his audience, right? Yeah. No, they did not. You have to know your target audience. And if you're

00:12:56.420 looking to make money, you know, yeah, no, hold on. He knows his target audience. He needs money.

00:13:00.720 He also enjoys that form of stimulation. I don't think that's as suspicious anymore. I thought that

00:13:04.820 you meant like a person that leaked from his computer, but that's totally different now. 0.90

00:13:09.520 As far as specific allegations of gay sex. And again, I have nothing against gay sex, 0.99

00:13:13.880 but I do understand why people were like, wait, you're like an alpha male influencer who has been 0.98

00:13:18.020 like, follow me to get girls. And this is what you were into. Like, I get the incongruency of that.

00:13:23.240 Well, there's also just the issue, which you also see with same sex, especially man, man sex, where

00:13:30.380 there's just a very, very strong disgust reaction in many people. And people lack the sophistication

00:13:37.460 to understand that a disgust reaction is not, does not equal this equals morally bad, which is very

00:13:44.400 annoying. But a ton of males have arousal patterns that an average person, as I've pointed out, is going

00:13:52.720 because non-normative arousal patterns. This is why there's the meme of, you know, I'll put on the

00:13:58.800 screen here of the, the, the anime where they, his best friend, after he dies, takes his computer

00:14:03.200 CPU and throws it in a bathtub. Yes. Um, yes.

00:14:07.440 Um, promise me something. My computer's hard drive. I need you to, to dump it in the bathtub and fry it.

00:14:17.940 All done. Please rest in peace, Satoru.

00:14:28.420 And I, I, I, I, I'd say for me, what's really funny is like, if you look at my unusual arousal

00:14:33.860 patterns, the truth is I don't think like our audience would find it like weird or disgusting

00:14:38.580 at all. What's so funny though is like people have actually apoplectic. People have sent us emails

00:14:43.700 where they're like, I know exactly what your fetishes are. And Malcolm, not once have they

00:14:48.020 gotten them right. No, they never have. Yeah. Yeah. Progressives would freak out. Progressives would

00:14:52.020 actually like panic. Yeah. But, but right wing people would be like, what? Well, okay. Okay.

00:14:58.660 Sex negative progressives though, because I think most sex positive progressives know all the kinks 0.98

00:15:02.980 that are like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, they're all fine. Everything goes. So yeah. Moderate

00:15:07.700 that. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I guess I will moderate that, but yeah. So he, he labeled himself in one

00:15:13.540 thing as hetero flexible, right? Okay. Fine. So maybe he had, you know, ma'am again, like, why is this,

00:15:21.060 you know, again, I don't want to say like for, and I feel so comfortable talking about this because I am

00:15:26.500 so disgusted by the idea of sleeping with male. The, the, the, like, this isn't like my particular

00:15:33.940 closet thing, like my particular closet thing. I'm just not going to touch anything in that

00:15:38.180 category. No, you're not. But, but this, I'm like, come on guys. Like he, he was into that.

00:15:45.380 He did it at one point and now he's monogamously married with kids, right? Like, Oh, with the same

00:15:49.860 woman or someone different? I think he's, yeah, I think it's the same woman. Oh, that makes me happy.

00:15:54.100 Oh, well. So I had read that he had kids and I hadn't read anything about him raising them alone.

00:16:00.340 So I assumed he was married, but no, it turns out that he had kids and was divorced long before

00:16:05.380 he ever became famous. And what he called like a blue pilled relationship, meaning he didn't

00:16:10.260 probably think much of her or that it didn't go very well. So no, he was not happily married.

00:16:15.220 That's happening here. The trajectory, he really got sort of screwed over by all of this. And,

00:16:18.980 you know, I think he was, he was, he was, he was putting out deal ideas that were so mainstream.

00:16:23.460 He was like partnered with Claremont. Like, yeah, that's no, that's the problem. You, you,

00:16:27.620 he, but he made a very, very huge, and I would think obvious misstep in doing kinky stuff while 0.97

00:16:35.860 playing in the conservative realm. But that's the conversation we're having is, should this still

00:16:40.420 be the case? Should being kinky and conservative get you disqualified as an influencer?

00:16:47.220 Well, I mean, that's the discussion here. I don't know what's your, what do you think?

00:16:50.980 I know what I think. Before I go further, look, you, you've got to keep in mind that there is like

00:16:55.460 a level of debauchery, right? Where it's like, and debauchery should not be defined by non-normative

00:17:02.260 behavior. It should be defined by the effect it has on the self and others. So like in Mormon circles, 0.99

00:17:10.340 right? And we talk about like a lot of kinks seem to be bred by what the population did historically, 1.00

00:17:16.340 right? Or, or negative stereotypes. And, and Mormons were in polygynous relationships 0.77

00:17:21.140 historically, which meant that people who are okay with their partner sleeping with other people

00:17:25.540 in front of them would have had more kids historically, or knowing that their partner

00:17:28.740 was sleeping. And so there's been the thing of like wife swapping and husband swapping,

00:17:32.580 where you do everything but full sex. And like, I would find that not just like gross, 0.60

00:17:37.140 but like, if you had done that with another guy in front of me, I don't know if I could get aroused by

00:17:40.660 you. Like again, like it wouldn't be able to, I just know for a fact it wouldn't, I try so hard.

00:17:46.980 I try, I promise. I literally have bad dreams where like I'm assaulted and I don't care about the fact

00:17:55.140 that I'm like the biggest concern I have that moment, obviously I'm like distressed for many

00:17:59.380 reasons, but the biggest one is, oh my God, Malcolm will never see me as attractive again.

00:18:04.980 That's like the number one thought on my mind, in addition to hating everything else,

00:18:08.820 but like the number one thought is, I know that this is true. And it sucks because you can't control

00:18:13.540 that. You just can't control that. Yeah, I can't control that. Like I, I, I mean, there might be 0.97

00:18:18.820 ways if, if, if I... I don't think so. I really, Malcolm, I know you now. I know you well enough

00:18:22.900 that it's just not, it would, if this doesn't make you a bad person again, and that's, that is how

00:18:27.700 arousal works. This is not about what you morally condone or not. This is just about how you feel.

00:18:35.540 But apparently within Mormon communities, this isn't that strong.

00:18:38.180 Yeah. That clearly doesn't play here, but that makes sense that a lot of people are shamed,

00:18:42.900 like this has happened. And I'm like, like, there's been some scandals around this and stuff

00:18:46.660 like this. And it's like, what, like, why? Like, this doesn't seem to hurt anyone involved

00:18:51.540 particularly. Like, I'm like, and if you, if this is the, the, the, the thing that I've talked about

00:18:56.900 was like that, you know, the Dursleys and one of their kid ended up sleeping with one of his,

00:19:00.900 like, like assaulting his younger sisters and stuff like that. When you tell someone all sex is bad, 0.76

00:19:05.620 all arousal patterns are bad. The Duggars. 0.76

00:19:08.340 The Duggars.

00:19:10.340 Confused. I was like, is this the Duggars?

00:19:12.820 Yeah, this is a major Duggars.

00:19:13.060 You're talking about the Harry Potter family, the Duggars.

00:19:15.060 They, they end up thinking like, well, I'm a bad person sexually. They contextualize themselves

00:19:19.780 that way. And then they normalize other genuinely horrific behavior.

00:19:24.500 Right.

00:19:25.060 And I think people can wonder why I hammer on the topic of sexuality and arousal patterns so

00:19:30.820 frequently. And it's because it really is that central and important to the fight against the

00:19:35.780 urban monoculture in that it is the core way that the urban monoculture peels people out of

00:19:41.380 traditional cultures. Many people within traditional cultures just don't have fully developed models or

00:19:47.220 healthy ways of relating to their own sexuality. And so the urban monoculture can, can go and where you

00:19:53.220 don't have sort of mental scaffolding. They're like, oh, I'll just plug this USB stick in here

00:19:57.940 and put in this self-replicating memetic set, which will eventually build out an entire world

00:20:03.060 perspective. And they do that within the field of sexuality. That's why so much of the urban

00:20:08.020 monoculture focuses on this sexuality stuff. It's not just the debauchery of the urban monoculture.

00:20:14.020 It's that there are not appropriate defenses in place within many traditionalist cultures

00:20:20.900 during their, you know, puberty period, during their, their teen, late teen years. That's when

00:20:28.340 they're the most vulnerable. And so it is really, really important that we find ways of relating to

00:20:34.740 this that did not produce vulnerabilities and just saying, you know, well, I'll pretend that all of this

00:20:40.100 doesn't exist or that everyone's normal or that blah, blah, blah. Like all of that is basically serving

00:20:46.740 your children up to the urban monoculture on a platter. As a analogy here, it would be a bit

00:20:51.860 like, like, I think we can all agree. Pooping is gross, but somebody could be like, well, what,

00:20:57.380 why are you on your show always talking about pooping? And it's like, well, because for whatever 0.70

00:21:02.660 reason, most of the conservative cultures started teaching kids that people don't poop. And that if you

00:21:09.540 poop, you're weird. And I'm like, well, most of these kids, all of these kids are pooping. And if they 0.57

00:21:14.660 think that they're gross and weird every time they're doing this, and then somebody else comes

00:21:19.140 along and they're like, actually you were lied to and abused. And it turns out everybody poops,

00:21:23.940 that's going to be potentially a compelling message to them. Where if you're like, no,

00:21:28.100 both everyone poops and it's gross and weird, but it's like an ancillor bodily function and

00:21:33.780 definitely not the purpose of your life. If you make it the purpose of your life or essential focus

00:21:38.980 of your life or build rituals around it, that is a waste of your life. I think that that is going to

00:21:46.500 be much better at preventing kids from being peeled out. So I think that like the new right should do a 0.98

00:21:52.100 better job of like categorizing different types of non-normative sexual behavior in terms of like

00:21:59.780 acting on versus like one experimenting when you're young. I first experimenting when you're young or

00:22:07.700 things you do when you're young. And when I say young, I don't mean just like a kid. I mean,

00:22:12.180 like up to like, let's say 20, 21, 22, 23, 23, 23, like 24, you gotta get serious.

00:22:21.140 Yeah. Anything really done before 23 or 24, I'm like full pass, like whatever, like this caveat that

00:22:29.220 with women having a lot of sexual partners can, you know, that's of course, but women make mistakes, 1.00

00:22:35.460 right? Like, and I, I, I think if you wipe every woman out of the sexual marketplace who was sexually 0.95

00:22:41.700 active before this age, you know, you can say you, you shouldn't do this. You should know this is going

00:22:45.860 to affect how the partner values you. But in terms of the public stage, like a big conservative

00:22:50.980 influencer woman, it came out that she had slept with a bunch of people before that age, like before 1.00

00:22:56.500 23, like, suppose it came out that like Louise Perry or, or Mary Harrington or Katharra Pakalok had had

00:23:02.580 sex with a bunch of people before 23. And this is at odds was their current, like conservative

00:23:07.700 persona. I'd be like, you cannot count that against them. I, I would, I would like actively

00:23:13.620 attack anybody who tried to shame their adult. Publicly. Yes. But you know, men would have an 0.93

00:23:19.940 issue with that, which is why with our daughters, I'd still warn them about it.

00:23:23.220 I agree, but that's not what we're talking about.

00:23:25.220 Yes. That's not what we're talking about.

00:23:27.300 Should you be reputationally disqualified as a conservative influencer based on your

00:23:32.180 history sexually? Right. Right. If anything, I feel worse for them. I feel like everything that

00:23:37.940 they had done in terms of influence was in part to try to save young girls from their position right 0.98

00:23:44.100 now. And they just didn't want to have that publicly associated with them. You know, I don't

00:23:50.740 think I have an out. I would have an ounce of anything, but rage and somebody who tried to

00:23:55.460 attack them if that came out, you know, and I think that this is what I'm talking about in terms

00:24:00.020 of like how we categorize this, right? Like what actually assuming they disclosed it to their

00:24:05.540 current partner before marrying, which is important. Yeah. Which is important. Right. You know, again,

00:24:10.020 I'm not saying that any of them did. I have no reason to believe that any of them did this. I was just

00:24:14.420 giving an example here. Right. So yeah, before the age of 23, I'd say, okay, throw that out.

00:24:19.220 I'd say, and keep in mind, he was here talking about this camming stuff he was doing when he

00:24:23.060 was like 19 or so. Oh, it was from the past? I don't know what he was. No, it sounds like he

00:24:27.460 published a blog post about his wife doing it as she was doing it.

00:24:33.140 Whatever. Well, we'll see. I can go back and try to find out how old he was when this stuff

00:24:36.980 happened. All right. Simone was in the right here. It was as he was doing it, which makes it extra

00:24:41.060 undefensible. Yeah. But in terms of stuff like anal play for men, I see no reason why this should

00:24:49.460 be shamed. I understand it like it goes against norms. It's not like particularly dangerous. It's 0.95

00:24:55.140 something they can do with like a monogamous partner. Well, yeah. It's also not even time

00:24:58.580 consuming. So yeah. Like if it causes them to orgasm quicker and get the whole thing over with quicker,

00:25:04.100 then just do it. Power to the beat. Yeah, absolutely. So my, my stance on this is the really big

00:25:09.780 contrast in my view between the left and the right in our modern age is performative activity

00:25:18.500 versus consequentialist activity and then hedonism versus values alignment. So the way that I look at

00:25:25.940 acceptable sexuality versus non-acceptable sexuality has more to do with, are you putting your sexuality

00:25:32.900 above the pursuit of your values? Like, are you spending most of your time dating people and trying

00:25:38.980 to get new sexual partners or are you spending most of your time doing what it is that's meaningful

00:25:44.580 to you? And I think- How much are you letting your sexuality distract you from your end goal?

00:25:49.060 Yeah. Or like be a part of your identity when that's not at all related to your objective

00:25:55.540 function or if your objective function is hedonism, you just shouldn't be here. You should, you don't

00:25:59.060 belong here. You belong on the other side. Well, no, I actually argue that Jack Murphy,

00:26:02.900 if you look at this, he was allowing it to distract him, you know? He was. No. And so I hold all of that

00:26:09.460 against him. And also the fact that he was acting on it in a way that logistically would have taken a

00:26:15.220 lot of time. Like sitting down with your girlfriend or fiance and saying, listen, I'm really into this.

00:26:20.580 Listen, I want you to go out and do this. I mean, she's also taking a risk going out and having

00:26:25.460 an intimate experience with someone from Tinder. Like that's not necessarily safe for a woman either.

00:26:30.660 And if, if she's doing it safely, there's also a lot of vetting that's very time consuming. You,

00:26:35.140 you, you have STD testing, you have some, some kind of due diligence that you're hopefully doing

00:26:41.220 on this lucky gentleman. So like, really don't you have better things to do? You really think like,

00:26:49.460 you really think, and this is, this is, this is why, and it's funny again, like all of the stuff that

00:26:54.420 I'm defending here, I would not sit on camera and defend something I actually do for fear that it

00:26:59.460 comes back to me. So when I'm talking about like the, the like anal stimulation and stuff like 0.90

00:27:04.020 that, that is not, I find it like the idea that like the smell, I think both of us are too squeamish 0.80

00:27:09.860 around like to handle, like we don't human bodies aren't our favorite. Yeah. Human bodies are not

00:27:16.420 my thing. Like I'm like, but stuff is way too human. That's always been your famous line with me,

00:27:23.300 which is I'll do anything for you, but anal, but anal, but she, she, she literally all the time. 1.00

00:27:29.540 Like, it's funny that I don't think that's ever been recorded on air or anything, but like was in 0.99

00:27:33.940 our personal relationship. It's always like, she'll hold my hands and be like, Malcolm,

00:27:37.700 I'll do anything for you, but anal. 0.99

00:27:42.980 Yeah. And for me, I'm just like, why, why, why add that when you could just masturbate? Like, 1.00

00:27:49.380 that's like a gross additional step. Like even, even. Well, and I think, so my, my additional

00:27:54.660 problem with anal, when you have a choice, like when there are other holes available 0.98

00:27:58.500 is the amount of prep and maintenance you have to do. Yeah. Let's go. I'd love to. 0.99

00:28:02.900 Do we have all the gear? Do you think? You know, I've got my hiking shorts. Yeah.

00:28:07.460 Everything. Yeah. Let's get the gear. All right, Dave.

00:28:13.300 Yeah. That's great. What if it rains? You're right. Let's get the rain gear.

00:28:17.380 Yeah. So again, when it comes to, are you spending your time pursuing and maximizing your values?

00:28:23.940 If you do frequent anal, you're following all these steps. But I also hold that for like 0.89

00:28:30.260 someone who spends an hour a day doing their hair and makeup. That's, that is just as valueless

00:28:36.980 as someone. Oh yeah. Or somebody who watches like football games or something, you know?

00:28:41.540 Yeah. Yeah. So like, I, again, like we, it, we're not sex negative. We're

00:28:48.100 Wasting time negative.

00:28:50.100 Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I, I agree with all that. But what I'm saying here is

00:28:54.340 like, when I hear like the head of the proud boys apparently got canceled for, for, for saying something

00:28:58.980 like this. And I was like, no, you shouldn't be doing that. Like, because then, you know, you don't

00:29:05.140 know your own kids end up into something like this and you frame this as like this horrifying thing. 0.95

00:29:10.580 And then now they're like, okay, well, I guess I'm just a sexual monster. May as well great my 0.97

00:29:15.300 sister, you know? And it's like, well. Yeah. Suppressing this stuff isn't good. And I think

00:29:20.420 knowing about your arousal pathways and possibly even talking about it when it's relevant and

00:29:27.620 whatnot, I have no problem with that. And people shouldn't be shamed for what turns them on and off,

00:29:32.180 but yeah, pursuing it, investing a lot of time into its pursuit. You should just be on the,

00:29:37.140 well, I actually think that this, like, if you're being logical, puts like the new right,

00:29:41.300 strictly morally superior to the left around arousal and kinks. Well, because what we're saying 1.00

00:29:47.140 is you can, you can have the kinks you want to have so long as they don't have negative externalities

00:29:53.140 in how you're applying them. And so long as you are not forcing other people to participate in them,

00:29:58.340 which is what you are doing when you dress up that way in public, when you publicly blog post

00:30:05.140 about something like this, when you, you know, like all of this is stuff that's done to involve

00:30:11.060 other people in your kinks. Yeah. Without their consent. Yeah. So that's why OnlyFans is different. 0.71

00:30:17.540 It is opt-in. And I think that's, that's one of the really underrated great things about OnlyFans is

00:30:22.420 if you have a humiliation fetish, if you have a like public exposure fetish, all those sorts of

00:30:28.820 things, like this is the place where you can do it and make money and everyone consents. And I just

00:30:34.260 think that's beautiful. Yeah. Like, oh, here's a great thing. If somebody, and I don't believe

00:30:40.260 the Russian pee tapes are real. If some Russian prostitute really peed on Trump, like whatever. 1.00

00:30:45.220 I like even think was the right, as it is right now, these came out, people would be like, whatever, 1.00

00:30:49.460 like F off. No one cares. And like, I'm glad I wasn't born like that. But also like everyone

00:30:54.900 knows Donald Trump would never, he's such a germphobe. Yeah, he is, he is a complete germphobe. 1.00

00:31:00.660 He would never do that. He seems like the kind of person who would see like the tiniest stain on a

00:31:05.460 carpet and be like, we need to leave this hotel right now. You think he's gonna, he's gonna do water

00:31:09.780 sports. I know. I also think that he's a sexual elitist like me. I, I would not be surprised if

00:31:15.780 he has not slept with prostitutes and that he only sleeps with like, he's, he's wrote articles

00:31:19.540 about sleeping was like, not wrote, but that article's written about him, about how he likes

00:31:23.300 like sleeping with his friends' wives and stuff like that. Yeah, because they're high status women. 1.00

00:31:26.740 High status. Yeah. And Stormy Daniels was a high status like celebrity. So yeah, I think for him,

00:31:32.980 status is hotter than a lot of others. Not status is hotter. I think low status women are disgusting to him. 1.00

00:31:38.020 Oh, it's an aversion thing. Like myself. Interesting. Yeah. Anyway, so to continue here, 0.99

00:31:42.900 Murphy's own admission of the video's existence coupled with his attempt to label the redistribution

00:31:47.940 as revenge porn, the claim debunked as the content was widely publicly posted, fueled the narrative.

00:31:53.780 He locked his ex account and deleted his tweets, furthering escalated scrutiny. His defense of the

00:31:58.980 questions about the 2015 cuckolding article, particularly lashing out, lashing out the podcast

00:32:03.940 hoster, the Sidney Watson is, is what caused people to get angry at him. From the perspective

00:32:08.900 of manosphere, letting other men have sex with your girlfriend is definitely a no-no and will 1.00

00:32:13.700 earn you the ultimate put down cuck, which is to say cuckold. By the way, cuckolds both in our data 1.00

00:32:18.980 and other data was more common among conservatives getting cucked by your partner than progressives.

00:32:25.540 Yeah. Interesting. Murphy's defensiveness poured petrol. Yeah. So the big problem is his defensiveness

00:32:31.860 and sort of how he handled it. Now, what is interesting here is his writings were criticized

00:32:38.020 as misandrist, racist, and aligned with alt-right ideologies, which led to his doxing in 2018.

00:32:45.860 This revelation that he was a senior manager at DC public charter school board resulted in

00:32:51.300 administrative leave in January 2018. So apparently that's when he started leaving,

00:32:56.580 leaning into like the Jack Murphy live stuff. And then in 2021, his profile expanded as he became

00:33:03.060 a Lincoln fellow at the Claremont Institute, a conservative think tank highlighting his influence

00:33:07.380 in right-wing circles. However, December, 2021 brought significant personal revelations.

00:33:12.980 He admitted to authoring a 2015 cuckolding article and producing amateur pornography. So the cuckolding

00:33:19.940 stuff he had written when he was still like a public Democrat, but he had this pseudonym that was

00:33:24.980 doing right-wing stuff. Interesting. I mean, it's fairly complicated. Yeah. And then during this period,

00:33:32.980 by mid 2022, Jack Murphy live ceased new episodes suggesting a withdrawal from his public role

00:33:38.420 concurrently. He enlarged Rebel Health Alliance, a personalized healthcare service focusing on

00:33:43.460 optimizing longevity and metabolic health. And it's something that is still operational and appears to be

00:33:49.700 his mainstream source of income. So one thing I want to look at it's the stuff that got him

00:33:53.540 canceled. Like how actually offensive is this guy, right? Because everyone says, oh, they're misogynist

00:33:57.780 and people say we're misogynist and racist. So he said, if feminists need grape, it is our duty as men 0.62

00:34:04.660 to save feminists from themselves. Therefore, I am offering to grape to feminists as an olive branch. 0.99

00:34:12.500 He's asking for trouble.

00:34:13.700 That's asking for trouble. It's provocative. But us saying that like the, the Handmaid's Tale

00:34:19.860 is leftist fantasy and that the data proves it could be seen as analogous to that.

00:34:26.900 Yeah.

00:34:28.180 He said, if you open her A, you open her mind. He said, this is not something I'd agree. Like, 0.83

00:34:33.540 obviously my wife says, I'm not interested in this. And I'm like, yeah, okay. Oh, I'm not interested in

00:34:38.020 either. But, but like a, okay. Another one here is big female myths is that they are pure truces. 1.00

00:34:47.060 They are hungry, dirty, and enthusiastic about sex. And I love how feminists don't believe in 1.00

00:34:54.020 agency of that is not an offensive statement at all. So he said like almost nothing here wrong

00:34:59.620 from what I can see.

00:35:00.660 Also, no, I think that sweeping statement is not accurate. That is accurate about some women. 1.00

00:35:05.940 Definitely not.

00:35:06.580 Yeah. Well, okay. Here's one thing that I do have a problem with. He said in one post, he wrote,

00:35:11.700 I've had sex slaves, little girls and tied them all up. Feminists seek me out to F them like the 1.00

00:35:19.300 patriarchy, which the little girls thing. Like, I can understand it's sexualized, but like, 0.95

00:35:24.100 maybe you shouldn't say that publicly.

00:35:25.700 Maybe not like, I like, I, what I mean is I do not think that he's actually talking about

00:35:30.100 little girls, but I like understand DDL. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.

00:35:36.660 Okay. Here he's, it says he's talked about at an S state where he said the logistics are necessary

00:35:43.060 in the course of events in which leads us towards an S state. Okay.

00:35:46.420 That's, that's actually something that like, I think a lot of people need to think about when

00:35:49.780 you have a large amount of immigrants in a country and there might be an, a desire to preserve that

00:35:55.860 country in the future, like Germany or something. Okay. Um, you got to think about what happens to

00:36:00.020 the immigrants that have been imported into the country? Like how, how does the country, 0.99

00:36:03.220 if it changes its mind about this handle this, like when it realizes it may eventually go extinct.

00:36:08.580 And like what we mean here is 25% of the German population currently came to the country after

00:36:14.260 the 1950s or their, their ancestors did have a higher fertility rate than the mainstream German

00:36:18.900 population. Like eventually Germans will be replaced. And this isn't like a, I'm not saying

00:36:25.300 like some evil person plan this out or anything like this, but that this might lead to ethnic tensions

00:36:32.820 is obvious. And if a far right government came into place, a question of what do you do that isn't

00:36:39.060 genocide is something that is worth establishing so that people don't jump to genocide. Yeah.

00:36:45.700 Anyway. And, and I mentioned the other one who this has happened to, which I found was interesting

00:36:50.180 is, is, is Glavin McKinney's who talked about the butt stuff in, in straight men and, and that not

00:36:56.100 being unmanly. And I'm like, well, but like this manly obsession is pointless in the first place.

00:37:01.940 Well, that is, again, it's, it's pretty preening and performative among men as well. And to me,

00:37:07.940 it's screams of insecurity. So I don't, I, I really don't care. Like a man who's very comfortable

00:37:14.980 with his sexuality, like there's nothing more masculine and whether this is demonstrated by a

00:37:20.340 man or a woman than confidence and comfort with your sexuality and being very open about it. That's

00:37:27.940 a lot of confidence. And that's very masculine. And this whole like shaming thing, there's nothing more

00:37:34.740 feminine than public shaming and gossiping. Absolutely. Yeah. So this whole

00:37:41.780 masculine stuff is, is very, you know, it doesn't, it's not the right brand. I think it's not the brand

00:37:52.660 that conservatives necessarily want to project, not, not dunking on man's world or anything.

00:38:00.740 The health of keeping people within their community. If you've created a community,

00:38:04.020 you know, one thing I mentioned to a progressive reporter recently, as I was like, well,

00:38:08.900 you know, back when I was a progressive, there were all sorts of ideas and arguments and everything

00:38:14.020 like that, that I had, that I knew I needed to keep private. If I was going to maintain my

00:38:17.940 acceptance within the community and within the new right, I'm able to say everything I believe

00:38:23.380 about the world. Right. And people will be like, well, I disagree with you here. Let's have a debate,

00:38:28.420 but it is friendly. You know, it's like, they, they actually want to convince me. They're not

00:38:32.260 like, shut up. You're not allowed to say that. Right. Yeah. And I think that alongside arousal 0.98

00:38:38.900 patterns, you know, it's 75% of people have some sort of a kink and we're talking about like 20 kinks

00:38:43.860 per person on average. Right. Like if you create a community where on average people are supposed to,

00:38:50.580 to, to know that if something came out about them or something like that, that it would,

00:38:56.020 it would be a reason to like shame and, and remove their platform. And the average influencer 0.84

00:39:01.620 in this space feels that way. Like the average conservative influencer by the statistics has

00:39:06.420 something that turns them on that they're hiding from you. And they would hope that their friend

00:39:11.300 did dunks or PC in water when they die. Like the, the fact that that is the case is I, I think not the

00:39:20.340 way we should structure sexual morality within the community. 100% because it's going to push

00:39:27.220 people out and it's going to limit our audience. And instead to say, you know, whatever arouses,

00:39:32.340 you can arouse, you just don't act on it. Don't live your life in that way. And don't make it your

00:39:37.780 identity and don't structure your life around it. Just like with drinking, just like with eating,

00:39:43.300 just like with exercising, all like, if it is not. Don't force others to participate in it. Like,

00:39:49.380 this is what trans people do. They're basically forcing others to participate in like their 1.00

00:39:52.900 arousal patterns, right? They're like, Hey, everyone needs to, you know, and you, and you can tell,

00:39:57.300 like part of this is about arousal. Like they're like, none of it, no part of it's about arousal.

00:40:01.540 Like I get it. Like for, for some of them, it definitely, when, when the, especially when they don't even try to pass,

00:40:08.580 it's like, why are you forcing them to call you by a gender that you're not even attempting to look

00:40:13.460 like, like, Oh, it's because you're getting turned on by having power over them. Right.

00:40:18.740 When, when you have the, who was the swimming guy who wanted to be.

00:40:23.220 I can't remember. It's Leah Thomas.

00:40:24.820 Leah Thomas. And we have reports that she would go in to the locker room and hadn't had surgery,

00:40:32.740 wasn't on anything, you know, and we had a male.

00:40:34.980 Her flippy was out. Yeah.

00:40:36.260 Yeah. And it's like, why are you, we used to call this being a flasher.

00:40:40.500 Like, what are you doing? Like you can, you can do this.

00:40:45.140 If you just wanted to be seen as a woman, you wouldn't be doing this.

00:40:48.260 Like part of me just wishes we lived in the starship troopers world of mixed gender restrooms. 1.00

00:41:10.340 And like, everyone has a male like locker room approach.

00:41:13.620 I'm just more angry than that. Because if it's a mixed gender restroom, then, then she, she. 1.00

00:41:18.660 Oh yeah. Then it's not special. Yeah.

00:41:20.580 Yeah. It's not special. She's not forcing herself on other people.

00:41:23.140 And that is.

00:41:23.620 Yeah. See, no, that's, that's the solution is you just eliminate all gender neutral bathrooms. 1.00

00:41:28.820 You just eliminate all gender neutral spaces and suddenly everything's okay again. 1.00

00:41:32.820 Well, and I also like that, uh, because I think it desexualizes the other sex's body. 0.99

00:41:37.860 And I, I think that's the direction we should.

00:41:39.460 Well, that's the point. I mean, in, in societies, when things get arbitrarily sexualized,

00:41:44.260 suddenly they are sexualized, whether it's an armpit or an ankle or whatever.

00:41:48.820 And if we just don't make it a thing, guess what? Suddenly, I mean, of course, for some people,

00:41:54.900 they're going to be like, man, get a lot of our feet, but.

00:41:57.140 In the Muslim world, right? Like you, you get like ankles and stuff like that sexualized because 1.00

00:42:01.700 they're covered up. If you just had everyone, like seeing naked males and females normalize, 0.70

00:42:07.860 you wouldn't sexualize the other gender much at all. You just. 1.00

00:42:11.380 Well, I wonder why, like perhaps. So in Germany, you get a lot more nudist colonies and resorts and stuff.

00:42:16.500 And the primary kinks that you see associated with Germany are BDSM. They're power dynamic 0.95

00:42:22.980 based kinks instead of like body, body stuff. Like when I think of Germany and I think of 0.99

00:42:28.180 x-rated material, it is always power dynamic related and not related to body parts. And yet,

00:42:34.820 when I think of the x-rated material associated with say India or a lot of other regions that are

00:42:39.220 much more conservative, then it's all about body parts. And that is really interesting.

00:42:44.340 Yeah. Is that a good thing? Yeah, I think it is a good thing. I think, I think, well, because.

00:42:49.860 A good thing for it not to be an obsession with body parts, but rather power dynamics.

00:42:53.380 Well, maybe, I don't know. Like, here's the funny thing in Germany. Like,

00:42:56.100 why is it power dynamics that are the thing? It's because body parts are not shamed. Like

00:43:00.100 they see naked people all the time. Yeah, it's like germane. It's like, well,

00:43:02.420 of course, like my, you know. Quality is shamed in Germany because they're like so obsessively progressive.

00:43:09.460 And so, the idea that somebody would have power over another person is what is most

00:43:14.820 it's germane, you would say, as an arousal pathway. Interesting.

00:43:20.980 Anyway, I find, yeah, this is my thoughts after I think through this, that I would generally,

00:43:26.180 like, if I had been around when this was happening, I would say, look, the way he handled this was

00:43:30.420 gross. He shouldn't have involved the public in it. The way that he was defensive about this was also

00:43:36.660 bad. But if you're talking about something like Gavin McKinney's, he's just like, look, you know,

00:43:41.540 you shouldn't be seen as unmanly because you're, you're doing like prostate stimulation.

00:43:46.660 I'm like, well, however, however, I think that it is important to separate your personal life from

00:43:53.460 a professional life, even when your professional life is about your personal life. That's not true.

00:43:58.900 When people are influencers and it's all around their personalities. No, it's not about them as people.

00:44:04.580 It's about the caricature that they've chosen to present online. And the caricature that these

00:44:09.620 men had chosen to present was of a, of that time, classically conservative male, which didn't do the

00:44:15.860 things that they suddenly started promoting. And it was them bringing their personal lives to work

00:44:20.660 that messed that up. And again, that is something I just won't abide by. We don't, we don't abide by

00:44:24.900 that professionally. Don't bring your personal life into work if it doesn't help work. And they made that

00:44:28.900 mistake. And so I, I, I still hold them responsible for it. If it came out, for example, that like their,

00:44:36.420 their search history was leaked, then I would not hold them at fault.

00:44:40.820 Hmm. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like, like search history being leaked or like, who is it? Like not

00:44:46.580 Bosch. Well, one of the, one of the guys like had pictures of hentai. We've had, we have had

00:44:53.220 hentai leaked on this show, by the way, I've accidentally put it on, on, not accidentally,

00:44:58.660 it's a joke. There was the, in the, in the yak, the, the one about Yankees, the mild Yankees.

00:45:03.140 Oh yeah. No, you put, you put the hentai on the show and other people are like, oh yeah,

00:45:06.820 that's a great one. Um, uh, I know that one. You're like, I didn't expect him to actually put

00:45:12.820 it on the screen. Um, just for people who don't know, it's called like my childhood friend,

00:45:17.700 it's broken or something. And it's a, it's a super awesome where they have a, a, like a hentai

00:45:23.780 story about a, a gaz, what's the word? Gyaru. Gyaru girl, which is like when the Japanese women, 1.00

00:45:30.420 like do their face different colors and like have lots of piercings. Malibu Barbie, 1.00

00:45:34.260 Japanese edition. Garish outfits. And it's, it's apparently you learn, I, I decided to read the

00:45:40.180 whole thing after putting in the episode. I was like, I gotta make sure this actually isn't like

00:45:42.900 bad. Apparently you learned that in the past she was assaulted and she dressed this way because 1.00

00:45:48.660 she wanted to feel powerful and like reclaim a sense of power. And then she meets a childhood

00:45:53.460 friend and they fall in love. And then he, he does nice things for her. And over time she learns

00:46:00.340 that she doesn't need to dress this way to feel like she's powerful and she becomes a mom and she

00:46:05.060 has kids. And the, the series ends when her kid meets another kid playing in a park. And this is

00:46:12.980 supposed to be a new childhood friendship that continues to cycle. Well, it's, it's, it's sad at

00:46:18.580 the end actually, because they're commenting on how they, they don't know anyone who has kids their

00:46:22.260 kids ages and no one's having kids anymore. Well, yeah, but they're going to be the new

00:46:27.140 culture that generates, or sorry, that, that inherits Japan. So that's all of the actual, 0.66

00:46:31.140 like can't I like not say for work scenes happen after that scene. It's, it's, that's so weird.

00:46:36.100 There's this whole like life arc that's super wholesome. And then suddenly it becomes

00:46:40.660 created the wholesome, like are like the, the not say for work scenes are clearly supposed to happen

00:46:46.260 at various parts of the life arc. Oh, because obviously she gets pregnant. 1.00

00:46:49.300 I just want to establish that like these are, this is part of a wholesome, loving relationship,

00:46:54.420 because that's part of the erotic experience for the reader.

00:46:57.540 Yeah, this is, this is people who want the erotic experience of a wholesome, loving relationship.

00:47:02.020 Yeah. And you can't get that full stimulus if you don't have the backstory that proves that

00:47:06.180 that's happening. Cause it's really hard to like lay that expedition, exposition out in like

00:47:10.660 three frames, but that's really funny. That's really funny.

00:47:14.740 But I don't, I don't, I don't want, there's like 215 panels of this. It's like

00:47:18.740 really, but I, I want that to be when Malcolm accidentally leaked Hentai episode that he,

00:47:26.420 he had the, that, that, that one, wherever.

00:47:29.220 No, I don't, I don't think that's when it came out though, that you

00:47:32.260 have in the, in the past consumed Hentai because you've talked in the past about the fact that you

00:47:36.740 like, or both of us agree that in an ideal world, no porn would depict real people.

00:47:43.860 Yeah. No, I'm a hundred percent for only Hentai.

00:47:46.580 You expressed then that you found real porn to be extremely disgusting. So I'm pretty sure that

00:47:52.260 anyone who was actually paying attention at the time would be like, oh, then I guess Malcolm likes

00:47:56.500 Hentai. Cause like, what else are you going to like if you can't.

00:48:00.420 But if you wonder why I find it disgusting, I just can't like look at a real person and in that sort of

00:48:05.380 of a position. Somebody's daughter and or son. Like this is somebody's daughter, somebody's wife,

00:48:10.500 somebody's. They probably have kids. This is, it's rough. Like this is gross. Like this is a human

00:48:17.860 life that we're talking about here. Like, why is this okay to get off? No, I think it's, it's,

00:48:23.940 it's rough. I don't know if other people have that reaction. Like I, maybe, maybe other people

00:48:28.740 don't. Maybe other people are just like, no, but like in this context, it's not them. It's just a picture

00:48:33.380 of them. But like, for me, it's like, I don't know. Like it's, I think it, I was just thinking

00:48:38.180 about, you know, what I feel different if they were someone, if it was you, like what I feel like,

00:48:44.260 but like, then if, if ever I was watching even video of like, you made something for me privately

00:48:49.620 or something, I'd be like, oh, what if this leaks? I'd be so uncomfortable. And I think,

00:48:54.100 I think about that a lot. When I think about the other people, I'm like, oh, like how old are they now?

00:48:59.460 Are people comparing their younger body to their older body? Like what, what, what if their mother

00:49:03.300 sees this? And you just start thinking way too much about it. And then you start thinking

00:49:06.100 about yourself. And that's one of the reasons I think why many female audiences like Yaoi, 0.92

00:49:11.540 which is man on man drawn like manga and stories. It's sometimes explicit and sometimes not because

00:49:17.380 at that point you're totally taken out of the situation. Not only is it drawn,

00:49:20.500 so you're not thinking about humans in general, but there are no women at all. So you're not thinking

00:49:24.180 about you as a woman. Am I pretty enough? I think that there's some, there's a big theme

00:49:29.620 in many genres of erotic material that are instead of optimized around specific arousal pathways,

00:49:37.860 optimized around avoiding specific, if not discussed pathways, then anxiety pathways.

00:49:44.420 I'm exactly the same way. What a lot of you is now that AI stuff has gotten good. I don't even need

00:49:49.780 to worry that like a human like like drew it and yeah, humans were involved at some point in the

00:49:55.220 process. I need to think about some guy in his basement drawing this, right? Yes, that's true.

00:50:00.020 That is kind of a turnoff when you think about it. Thanks for ruining that for me.

00:50:04.100 But I also point out with all of this, you know, the reason I say all this is I'm like, okay, so what if

00:50:10.180 some guy is actually like a savvy guy and he's in a relationship and his partner is into this

00:50:16.660 and they're into like him being a sub in the bedroom, right? You know, like, are we supposed

00:50:22.100 to be like, that guy can't be a good man? They can't be a good masculine man. They can't be a good

00:50:28.260 dad. Like, I think what we need to say is like, look, if you're a savvy guy, and this is why, because

00:50:32.980 I feel bad for all of the savvy guys, because there's like a lot of savvy guys out there, right?

00:50:37.460 Yeah. I mean, like the numbers indicate that there are a lot of right out there.

00:50:42.340 If you're a savvy guy, that doesn't mean that you cannot be the perfect masculine man.

00:50:48.420 You can be a good dad who is there for your kids. You can be in a relationship with your wife that is

00:50:56.740 stable and supporting. And when the lights are off and you're doing your own thing, that can be your

00:51:03.140 own thing. And I don't think that we as a community benefit from those guys feeling in constant fear that

00:51:10.260 they are going to have everybody hate them if they ever found out about that.

00:51:14.420 I think that that is not a healthy thing.

00:51:17.300 That fear leads to a lot of avoidant problematic behavior. That's like, that's why you see this

00:51:23.300 problem in states where porn is like banned or deeply looked negatively upon by the predominant

00:51:30.740 religion that you see much more problematic behavior. And yeah, this is definitely something 1.00

00:51:35.860 that shaming is the wrong thing to do, but not so shaming the fact that you feel it bad, but pursuing

00:51:48.020 it at the cost of your productivity, also bad. That should probably, if not shamed, met with a,

00:51:56.580 like the same kind of concerned reaction that you react to someone who has an eating problem or a

00:52:03.300 drinking problem or some other, like a gambling problem, right? Like those are things like,

00:52:08.420 oh, you're disgusting. You gamble, you sports, gamble, you have a sports gambling app. I can't 0.99

00:52:12.740 believe it. I'm never going to be your friend and you can't be an influencer. No. It's like,

00:52:16.740 hey dude, are you okay? Like this can, this you're, you're ruining your savings. Like you're not going

00:52:22.100 to achieve your life goals if you keep doing this. And that is such a great way to frame it is that we

00:52:26.740 should, we should focus on these sorts of sexual prohibitions in the same way we focus on like

00:52:31.300 gambling prohibitions. Like they're very, very serious and they can hurt other people around

00:52:36.820 them, but you need to, you need to frame them with, you know, compassion in this way and be like,

00:52:42.660 hey, like, do you have a problem here? Instead of, you know, one of the funniest things that everyone's

00:52:47.460 like, people thought that like you weren't sexually gratifying me enough and that like they, they sent

00:52:52.340 you emails about that. Yes. I've received multiple messages from people who are like,

00:52:56.980 Are they usually for women or men? It's been both actually. Yeah.

00:53:01.540 I can tell you that is not the case. Now they're going to write to me again and be like,

00:53:06.180 he's saying that this is his call for help, Simone. This is his call for help. He's calling for help

00:53:11.540 right now. Understand how inefficient sex is. I understand. I don't think they understand.

00:53:18.980 I don't think they understand that like we're at the precipice, the turning point of the entire

00:53:23.220 future of humanity and that every hour that we spend doing something indulgent is an hour that

00:53:29.460 we're not maybe tipping the scales in favor of human flourishing instead of extinction.

00:53:34.500 Hello people. Timelines are so short in terms of like what we're building and everything like

00:53:40.100 that. I just feel like, like, did they not get that every second, because we're working on the

00:53:44.740 same projects together. So like, if I take Simone's time for like an hour of sex, like you, you only get 0.93

00:53:51.460 so many hours a day. Like, it's not that we never do it, but it's, it's such a waste.

00:53:58.580 Yeah. Anyway, that's, we'll see what they have to say. I love it how you for a while were like

00:54:04.500 really acting weird about this with me. Like, I was like, Malcolm, whenever you want, like,

00:54:09.620 we're here, we can block out time. And I was like, Simone, because y'all got on my head.

00:54:16.420 I was like, no, you do not understand how much I appreciate the work you're doing.

00:54:20.820 Whenever you want, Malcolm. I was like, what is this worth more than the current Andreessen

00:54:24.820 application? The current survival and flourishing application?

00:54:26.660 I know it's not. I know. But like, just in case, this is like one of those double reverse

00:54:34.100 blind. No, but it's like, like, literally, what am I putting off for this? We've got 0.91

00:54:39.860 four kids that we're raising as well.

00:54:41.940 Like, which one of them woke up. So I gotta.

00:54:44.980 All right. Love you to death, Simone.

00:54:46.500 I love you.

00:54:47.140 What am I doing for dinner tonight? Oh, yes. The crumble.

00:54:49.540 Yeah. But also, I'm going to try something that I've never tried before

00:54:56.180 that I'm very curious about it. I'm going to try it too.

00:55:00.100 Shout out to Margaret for telling me it's possible.

00:55:02.500 Are you going to tell me?

00:55:03.220 You will find out. What is it? If it succeeds tonight, I'm not going to tell you. I'm not

00:55:08.340 going to tell you. But it is something that you and I both like and that we can't get in America.

00:55:14.180 Oh, by the way. Oh, scotch eggs.

00:55:17.380 Ah, wait. Oh my God. Okay. So if you're going to do scotch eggs, don't bother with frying the

00:55:21.700 rice. Just do like regular rice. No, no, no, no. Because what if they really don't turn out?

00:55:27.220 This is my first time trying them. The regular rice with crumble and soy sauce will be fine.

00:55:32.180 Malcolm, just let me, let me do my thing, but let me go now so I can actually prep everything.

00:55:35.780 I love you. All right. Love you to death.

00:55:37.940 Why? I have this permanent crease in my

00:55:42.020 eyebrow region, but I realize now you do too. So.

00:55:46.260 You, what in your eyebrow region?

00:55:48.180 Permanent crease. Like a little, look at you, look at your furrow lines.

00:55:52.900 Even when you're not furrowing there, they're still there. And that's the problem.

00:55:57.380 Well, not the problem. It's just naturally part of our aging process.

00:56:01.060 Well, I wonder, do you have, do you have the, the smile lines yet?

00:56:06.260 Yeah. Well, that's your fault. That is your fault. The furrowing is my fault. The smiling is,

00:56:12.820 is your fault because you make my life too fricking awesome. And we laugh way too much.

00:56:17.860 No matter how big your wrinkles get, I will not leave you. So don't you worry. Okay.

00:56:22.020 Let's see. We'll just see how, how big they need to get.

00:56:25.860 No, we'll see. And if you stop being able to have kids, that's where things get dicey.

00:56:30.580 Just in case anyone thought that you were being nice and charitable.

00:56:35.860 Just in case anyone thought that you...

00:56:43.540 Yeah.

00:56:44.480 Right.

00:56:47.780 Oh, no.

00:56:51.020 Okay.

Based Camp - April 22, 2025

Are Cucks More Based than Kink Shamers？

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