Are Cucks More Based than Kink Shamers？
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Summary
In this episode, Simone and I discuss Jack Murphy's recent revelation that his girlfriend was into having things in her butt. We also discuss kink shaming and why it's a bad idea to talk about your kink in public.
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Hello, Simone. I had an interesting thing that happened in an episode recently where
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Rye Nationalist was on. We were talking about Jack Murphy, who used to be a famous sort of
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conservative influencer who had this club and this podcast and everything like that.
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And then it turned out that he was in to being cucked, specifically his girlfriend sleeping
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with other people and into putting things in his butt. And we're going to go over all of that.
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I wasn't like we weren't conservative influencers when that happened. Right. So like
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we had nothing to say on that when that happened. But when I heard this, my first intuition was to
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be like, oh, I feel kind of bad for him. Like I didn't have like embarrassing fetishes that I had
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to worry about like that. You know, like this is what turned him on, you know? And you don't get
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to choose what turns you on and what turns you on isn't a reflection of your morality either.
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And it made me think a question, right? Like I want to go into all of this again and I want
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to go into it, you know, as the, the new right and the tech right is sort of consolidating
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as a ideological perspective and you and I are some of the, I'd say primary regular influencers
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shaping that ideological perspective. What should be like, as we uncuck ourselves from the left,
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as we de-brainwash, de-program ourselves, what should our perspective be on kink shaming?
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Like is kink shaming something that we should continue to do? Is it certain kinks for which
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you continue to do it? And here I would note when I talk about kink shaming, I need to be as clear as
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I can about this. This does not include instances in which somebody else without your consent forces
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They talk to you about their kink. That means they dress up as their kink in a public context.
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That means they go to children's book readings in their kink. Here I am talking about things that
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people do in private. And the reason why I think it's, it's bad to pretend like all kinks are bad
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is well, our book, the pregnant sky to sexuality, we did a survey on this just to see how common kinks
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are right. Like non-normative arousal patterns. And we found that the average person is aroused by 22
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weird things. People have, people have a, I need to cut that out because there's no more swearing on this
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show. A basket of kinks. It was 23.1 for men and 20.8 for women. So not even like that different.
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Oh, and if you're like, how clustered are these? There was a study of 2,300 people in the UK
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showing that roughly 75% had some kink. So the vast majority of people have a kink. Our society works
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because we do not talk about it. All right, kid, here's the deal. At any given time,
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around 75% of the people you interact with are perverts in some way. Most of them right here in
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Manhattan. And most of them are decent enough. They're just trying to make a living. Cab drivers.
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Not as many as you'd think. Humans, for the most part, don't have a clue. They don't want one or
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need one either. They're happy. They think they have a good bead on things. Well, why write a big secret?
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People are smart. They can handle it. The person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals,
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and you know it. 1,500 years ago, everybody knew the earth was the center of the universe.
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500 years ago, everybody knew the earth was flat. And 15 minutes ago, you knew that people were
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mostly just turned on by the opposite sex. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.
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Just because you're aroused by something doesn't mean you have to indulge in it. And that doesn't mean
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it's okay to talk about this stuff in public. You keep that to yourself. Or...
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You will sever every human contact. Nobody will ever know you exist. Anywhere. Ever.
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I'll give you the sunrise to think it over. Hey, is it worth it? If you're strong enough.
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But it's a thing where it's like, you can have something unusual that arouses you without
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communicating it to other people. 100%. And without acting on it.
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And without acting on it. But there's multiple categories here. Like, if it's deleterious to
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other people, I can see, do not act on it. Right? If it is, like, there's, you know, if it's like,
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you know, just you're masturbating to it or something like that, I think that's a very
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different category than going out and doing it in public. Like, say, if you're gay, right? Well,
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that might be a too offensive one to choose. What's a less offensive one to choose? Because I was going
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to say, like, it's harder to get married and have lots of kids if you don't have a lot of money,
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if you're gay. So it's better to just, if you're not like a successful tech bro, just not act on it
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if your end outcome is having a lot of kids. But that doesn't mean that, like, there's necessarily
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this huge moral negative to, like, masturbating to it or something. And by the way, this does reduce
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the incident of, like, people like, oh, like, masturbating to something makes you want it more.
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And it's like, no, like, the actual studies are very categorical.
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Well, you know, Ayla's latest substack, as of the time of this recording, is her earnest argument
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in following up on her most controversial tweet, saying that if we had more AI, PDA,
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file porn, fewer children would be harmed. So she's making the same argument.
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Well, I, that is what got me thinking about this, but I wasn't going to include that as part of the
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argument. I'm just pointing out what you're saying.
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No, I'm saying that gets too spicy. I'm just talking generally kink-shaming on the right.
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But, you know, if you look at, like, porn more generally, like, the idea that, oh,
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porn makes you do bad things, in countries where porn was illegal and then it was made legal,
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Yeah, it is clearly, if you care about children, you are not going to ban porn.
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Yes. But, but it's like, okay, when people don't have access, and it was repeated in other countries
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where they did this, it's just like a really persistent thing. In the United States, as access
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to the internet increases, which is basically access to porn, rates of sexual assault also go down.
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Like, this is a very clear correlation. You are arguing for an aesthetic and not real,
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like an individual who says, I am against child SA, and I am against pornography is similar to a
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environmentalist who is like, I am against global warming, and I am against nuclear power plants.
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It's like those two things might be aesthetically aligned. But if you logically actually cared about
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the first thing, you wouldn't be pro the second thing. Because again, the people who are engaging,
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but what I wanted to get to here was this idea of, of this guy, what he did, his downfall,
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other conservatives, because there's other conservatives, the guy who ran the Proud Boys,
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apparently, he did a thing that apparently a lot of people have criticized him for,
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being like, oh, you know, anal stimulation in males is something that you can try without being like
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less masculine, right? Okay. I mean, just the sheer number of dudes who show up in ERs with,
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I slipped in the shower and something random up their butt shows that this is actually way more
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common than people want to let on. Well, yeah. But I mean, also like biologically,
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like if you're just looking at like the, the, the stimulation points of males, like the interior
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prostate is one of the stimulation points that a person could be using. If we're talking just pure
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logistics. Yeah. If you're looking for more ways to feel things. If you're looking for pure
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logistics of how to maximize your turn on. Yeah. And the funniest thing about Simone and I is I
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think one of the reasons we engage in sexuality topics so much is we find it so intellectually
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perplexing. Like I think if I actually had like a bunch of skeletons in my closet or something,
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I wouldn't be doing this because I'd be so afraid, but like, actually we're more like, yeah, humans,
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like sex is gross. Like this, this whole thing is gross and you can intellectualize it or engage
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with it, but some people. Well, it's like watching, you know, pigeons court each other and being kind
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of disgusted and asking why do they do that? That is. Yeah. Yeah. But, but I also, you know,
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feel like Jack Murphy, for example, he didn't choose to have this. Like he was dealing with
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an entire category of temptation that I have never had to deal with. Yeah. And that's rough.
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Building up an influencer career is hard work. It is a lot of work and a lot of risk and to have
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done that and then have that destroyed. No, no. He did other things when he was caught with this,
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you know, we'll get, we'll get into all that. It made me be like, should we normalize this in,
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in the new right? Not the old right. The old right can do whatever the hell they want. Like
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the religious funny duddies. Okay. They're always going to be sex negative. Yeah. Only sex in
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marriage, whatever. Right. But we're not that, you know? So what, what do we, what do we think
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about this? Let's go into this. So this is, I'm going to be combining some various articles and some
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various AI asks and stuff like that in like a narrative sense where I felt like it was interesting
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information. All right. He incurred the wrath of the online right when he rudely responded to
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podcaster, Sydney Watson, asking him about the cuck article. The article in question was a 2018 piece
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Murphy wrote on cultivating erotic energy from a surprising source. The source being sending his
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girlfriend to have sex with other men. And if I put it. He publicly talked about this. It wasn't like it
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leaked. No, he publicly talked about this. Wow. Okay. So he felt really comfortable. He felt really
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comfortable about this. Yeah. If I post the stories here, it's today I sent my adoring, loyal, hot,
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young girlfriend of two years to have sex with a stranger from Tinder. She is currently at his
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apartment, checked in with me via text and is presumably sucking and effing her way to a good
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time. I'm alone writing. So he has a humiliation fetish too. No, he, that blog post was part of
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it. He was, yeah, he was jizzing onto his audience with that. That is, that's like including your
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audience in this, which again, I don't think is great. Like, I think that that, that is, that is
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like, Hey, you guys want to be a part of like me using, using an audience to get yourself off. I'm not
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like, no. Okay. So in 2015, Murphy wrote an art detailing the experience of his girlfriend have
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sex with a stranger from Tinder, describing it as a source of erotic energy. He framed cuckolding
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as a manifestation of his control writing today. I sent my adoring, a loyal, hung did blah, blah,
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blah. That suggests he was experimenting and intellectualizing was unconventional sexual
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practices. And then later after that, Murphy admitted to producing and posting amateur pornographic
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content with his fiance around 2019 driven by financial desperation. He stated, we didn't have
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any money coming in and there were no jobs at all. I was lost and desperate. So my fiance and I did
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camp porn at home. People paid us to F on the couch. We made thousands of dollars. These videos
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live stream publicly on platforms for tips included acts with his fiance and solo performances
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by Murphy. So there's no problem with that, but everyone's consenting there. Everyone wins
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there because he clearly enjoys this and she, I guess, wait, like PJ media national file claimed
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that certain solo acts involved Murphy using a dildo for anal stimulation. For example, national file,
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article references a torrent with a username linked to Murphy bigbeard1000 containing content under a
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folder called bear. Oh yeah, that is definitely. Suggesting homoerotic material, but I mean,
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that's for his audience, right? Yeah. No, they did not. You have to know your target audience. And if you're
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looking to make money, you know, yeah, no, hold on. He knows his target audience. He needs money.
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He also enjoys that form of stimulation. I don't think that's as suspicious anymore. I thought that
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you meant like a person that leaked from his computer, but that's totally different now.
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As far as specific allegations of gay sex. And again, I have nothing against gay sex,
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but I do understand why people were like, wait, you're like an alpha male influencer who has been
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like, follow me to get girls. And this is what you were into. Like, I get the incongruency of that.
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Well, there's also just the issue, which you also see with same sex, especially man, man sex, where
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there's just a very, very strong disgust reaction in many people. And people lack the sophistication
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to understand that a disgust reaction is not, does not equal this equals morally bad, which is very
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annoying. But a ton of males have arousal patterns that an average person, as I've pointed out, is going
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because non-normative arousal patterns. This is why there's the meme of, you know, I'll put on the
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screen here of the, the, the anime where they, his best friend, after he dies, takes his computer
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Um, promise me something. My computer's hard drive. I need you to, to dump it in the bathtub and fry it.
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And I, I, I, I, I'd say for me, what's really funny is like, if you look at my unusual arousal
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patterns, the truth is I don't think like our audience would find it like weird or disgusting
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at all. What's so funny though is like people have actually apoplectic. People have sent us emails
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where they're like, I know exactly what your fetishes are. And Malcolm, not once have they
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gotten them right. No, they never have. Yeah. Yeah. Progressives would freak out. Progressives would
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actually like panic. Yeah. But, but right wing people would be like, what? Well, okay. Okay.
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Sex negative progressives though, because I think most sex positive progressives know all the kinks
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that are like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, they're all fine. Everything goes. So yeah. Moderate
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that. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I guess I will moderate that, but yeah. So he, he labeled himself in one
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thing as hetero flexible, right? Okay. Fine. So maybe he had, you know, ma'am again, like, why is this,
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you know, again, I don't want to say like for, and I feel so comfortable talking about this because I am
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so disgusted by the idea of sleeping with male. The, the, the, like, this isn't like my particular
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closet thing, like my particular closet thing. I'm just not going to touch anything in that
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category. No, you're not. But, but this, I'm like, come on guys. Like he, he was into that.
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He did it at one point and now he's monogamously married with kids, right? Like, Oh, with the same
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woman or someone different? I think he's, yeah, I think it's the same woman. Oh, that makes me happy.
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Oh, well. So I had read that he had kids and I hadn't read anything about him raising them alone.
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So I assumed he was married, but no, it turns out that he had kids and was divorced long before
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he ever became famous. And what he called like a blue pilled relationship, meaning he didn't
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probably think much of her or that it didn't go very well. So no, he was not happily married.
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That's happening here. The trajectory, he really got sort of screwed over by all of this. And,
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you know, I think he was, he was, he was, he was putting out deal ideas that were so mainstream.
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He was like partnered with Claremont. Like, yeah, that's no, that's the problem. You, you,
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he, but he made a very, very huge, and I would think obvious misstep in doing kinky stuff while
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playing in the conservative realm. But that's the conversation we're having is, should this still
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be the case? Should being kinky and conservative get you disqualified as an influencer?
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Well, I mean, that's the discussion here. I don't know what's your, what do you think?
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I know what I think. Before I go further, look, you, you've got to keep in mind that there is like
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a level of debauchery, right? Where it's like, and debauchery should not be defined by non-normative
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behavior. It should be defined by the effect it has on the self and others. So like in Mormon circles,
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right? And we talk about like a lot of kinks seem to be bred by what the population did historically,
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right? Or, or negative stereotypes. And, and Mormons were in polygynous relationships
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historically, which meant that people who are okay with their partner sleeping with other people
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in front of them would have had more kids historically, or knowing that their partner
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was sleeping. And so there's been the thing of like wife swapping and husband swapping,
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where you do everything but full sex. And like, I would find that not just like gross,
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but like, if you had done that with another guy in front of me, I don't know if I could get aroused by
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you. Like again, like it wouldn't be able to, I just know for a fact it wouldn't, I try so hard.
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I try, I promise. I literally have bad dreams where like I'm assaulted and I don't care about the fact
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that I'm like the biggest concern I have that moment, obviously I'm like distressed for many
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reasons, but the biggest one is, oh my God, Malcolm will never see me as attractive again.
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That's like the number one thought on my mind, in addition to hating everything else,
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but like the number one thought is, I know that this is true. And it sucks because you can't control
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that. You just can't control that. Yeah, I can't control that. Like I, I, I mean, there might be
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ways if, if, if I... I don't think so. I really, Malcolm, I know you now. I know you well enough
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that it's just not, it would, if this doesn't make you a bad person again, and that's, that is how
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arousal works. This is not about what you morally condone or not. This is just about how you feel.
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But apparently within Mormon communities, this isn't that strong.
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Yeah. That clearly doesn't play here, but that makes sense that a lot of people are shamed,
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like this has happened. And I'm like, like, there's been some scandals around this and stuff
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like this. And it's like, what, like, why? Like, this doesn't seem to hurt anyone involved
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particularly. Like, I'm like, and if you, if this is the, the, the, the thing that I've talked about
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was like that, you know, the Dursleys and one of their kid ended up sleeping with one of his,
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like, like assaulting his younger sisters and stuff like that. When you tell someone all sex is bad,
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You're talking about the Harry Potter family, the Duggars.
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They, they end up thinking like, well, I'm a bad person sexually. They contextualize themselves
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that way. And then they normalize other genuinely horrific behavior.
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And I think people can wonder why I hammer on the topic of sexuality and arousal patterns so
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frequently. And it's because it really is that central and important to the fight against the
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urban monoculture in that it is the core way that the urban monoculture peels people out of
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traditional cultures. Many people within traditional cultures just don't have fully developed models or
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healthy ways of relating to their own sexuality. And so the urban monoculture can, can go and where you
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don't have sort of mental scaffolding. They're like, oh, I'll just plug this USB stick in here
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and put in this self-replicating memetic set, which will eventually build out an entire world
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perspective. And they do that within the field of sexuality. That's why so much of the urban
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monoculture focuses on this sexuality stuff. It's not just the debauchery of the urban monoculture.
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It's that there are not appropriate defenses in place within many traditionalist cultures
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during their, you know, puberty period, during their, their teen, late teen years. That's when
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they're the most vulnerable. And so it is really, really important that we find ways of relating to
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this that did not produce vulnerabilities and just saying, you know, well, I'll pretend that all of this
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doesn't exist or that everyone's normal or that blah, blah, blah. Like all of that is basically serving
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your children up to the urban monoculture on a platter. As a analogy here, it would be a bit
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like, like, I think we can all agree. Pooping is gross, but somebody could be like, well, what,
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why are you on your show always talking about pooping? And it's like, well, because for whatever
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reason, most of the conservative cultures started teaching kids that people don't poop. And that if you
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poop, you're weird. And I'm like, well, most of these kids, all of these kids are pooping. And if they
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think that they're gross and weird every time they're doing this, and then somebody else comes
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along and they're like, actually you were lied to and abused. And it turns out everybody poops,
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that's going to be potentially a compelling message to them. Where if you're like, no,
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both everyone poops and it's gross and weird, but it's like an ancillor bodily function and
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definitely not the purpose of your life. If you make it the purpose of your life or essential focus
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of your life or build rituals around it, that is a waste of your life. I think that that is going to
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be much better at preventing kids from being peeled out. So I think that like the new right should do a
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better job of like categorizing different types of non-normative sexual behavior in terms of like
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acting on versus like one experimenting when you're young. I first experimenting when you're young or
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things you do when you're young. And when I say young, I don't mean just like a kid. I mean,
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like up to like, let's say 20, 21, 22, 23, 23, 23, like 24, you gotta get serious.
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Yeah. Anything really done before 23 or 24, I'm like full pass, like whatever, like this caveat that
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with women having a lot of sexual partners can, you know, that's of course, but women make mistakes,
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right? Like, and I, I, I think if you wipe every woman out of the sexual marketplace who was sexually
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active before this age, you know, you can say you, you shouldn't do this. You should know this is going
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to affect how the partner values you. But in terms of the public stage, like a big conservative
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influencer woman, it came out that she had slept with a bunch of people before that age, like before
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23, like, suppose it came out that like Louise Perry or, or Mary Harrington or Katharra Pakalok had had
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sex with a bunch of people before 23. And this is at odds was their current, like conservative
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persona. I'd be like, you cannot count that against them. I, I would, I would like actively
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attack anybody who tried to shame their adult. Publicly. Yes. But you know, men would have an
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issue with that, which is why with our daughters, I'd still warn them about it.
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I agree, but that's not what we're talking about.
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Should you be reputationally disqualified as a conservative influencer based on your
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history sexually? Right. Right. If anything, I feel worse for them. I feel like everything that
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they had done in terms of influence was in part to try to save young girls from their position right
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now. And they just didn't want to have that publicly associated with them. You know, I don't
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think I have an out. I would have an ounce of anything, but rage and somebody who tried to
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attack them if that came out, you know, and I think that this is what I'm talking about in terms
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of like how we categorize this, right? Like what actually assuming they disclosed it to their
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current partner before marrying, which is important. Yeah. Which is important. Right. You know, again,
00:24:10.020
I'm not saying that any of them did. I have no reason to believe that any of them did this. I was just
00:24:14.420
giving an example here. Right. So yeah, before the age of 23, I'd say, okay, throw that out.
00:24:19.220
I'd say, and keep in mind, he was here talking about this camming stuff he was doing when he
00:24:23.060
was like 19 or so. Oh, it was from the past? I don't know what he was. No, it sounds like he
00:24:27.460
published a blog post about his wife doing it as she was doing it.
00:24:33.140
Whatever. Well, we'll see. I can go back and try to find out how old he was when this stuff
00:24:36.980
happened. All right. Simone was in the right here. It was as he was doing it, which makes it extra
00:24:41.060
undefensible. Yeah. But in terms of stuff like anal play for men, I see no reason why this should
00:24:49.460
be shamed. I understand it like it goes against norms. It's not like particularly dangerous. It's
00:24:55.140
something they can do with like a monogamous partner. Well, yeah. It's also not even time
00:24:58.580
consuming. So yeah. Like if it causes them to orgasm quicker and get the whole thing over with quicker,
00:25:04.100
then just do it. Power to the beat. Yeah, absolutely. So my, my stance on this is the really big
00:25:09.780
contrast in my view between the left and the right in our modern age is performative activity
00:25:18.500
versus consequentialist activity and then hedonism versus values alignment. So the way that I look at
00:25:25.940
acceptable sexuality versus non-acceptable sexuality has more to do with, are you putting your sexuality
00:25:32.900
above the pursuit of your values? Like, are you spending most of your time dating people and trying
00:25:38.980
to get new sexual partners or are you spending most of your time doing what it is that's meaningful
00:25:44.580
to you? And I think- How much are you letting your sexuality distract you from your end goal?
00:25:49.060
Yeah. Or like be a part of your identity when that's not at all related to your objective
00:25:55.540
function or if your objective function is hedonism, you just shouldn't be here. You should, you don't
00:25:59.060
belong here. You belong on the other side. Well, no, I actually argue that Jack Murphy,
00:26:02.900
if you look at this, he was allowing it to distract him, you know? He was. No. And so I hold all of that
00:26:09.460
against him. And also the fact that he was acting on it in a way that logistically would have taken a
00:26:15.220
lot of time. Like sitting down with your girlfriend or fiance and saying, listen, I'm really into this.
00:26:20.580
Listen, I want you to go out and do this. I mean, she's also taking a risk going out and having
00:26:25.460
an intimate experience with someone from Tinder. Like that's not necessarily safe for a woman either.
00:26:30.660
And if, if she's doing it safely, there's also a lot of vetting that's very time consuming. You,
00:26:35.140
you, you have STD testing, you have some, some kind of due diligence that you're hopefully doing
00:26:41.220
on this lucky gentleman. So like, really don't you have better things to do? You really think like,
00:26:49.460
you really think, and this is, this is, this is why, and it's funny again, like all of the stuff that
00:26:54.420
I'm defending here, I would not sit on camera and defend something I actually do for fear that it
00:26:59.460
comes back to me. So when I'm talking about like the, the like anal stimulation and stuff like
00:27:04.020
that, that is not, I find it like the idea that like the smell, I think both of us are too squeamish
00:27:09.860
around like to handle, like we don't human bodies aren't our favorite. Yeah. Human bodies are not
00:27:16.420
my thing. Like I'm like, but stuff is way too human. That's always been your famous line with me,
00:27:23.300
which is I'll do anything for you, but anal, but anal, but she, she, she literally all the time.
00:27:29.540
Like, it's funny that I don't think that's ever been recorded on air or anything, but like was in
00:27:33.940
our personal relationship. It's always like, she'll hold my hands and be like, Malcolm,
00:27:42.980
Yeah. And for me, I'm just like, why, why, why add that when you could just masturbate? Like,
00:27:49.380
that's like a gross additional step. Like even, even. Well, and I think, so my, my additional
00:27:54.660
problem with anal, when you have a choice, like when there are other holes available
00:27:58.500
is the amount of prep and maintenance you have to do. Yeah. Let's go. I'd love to.
00:28:02.900
Do we have all the gear? Do you think? You know, I've got my hiking shorts. Yeah.
00:28:07.460
Everything. Yeah. Let's get the gear. All right, Dave.
00:28:13.300
Yeah. That's great. What if it rains? You're right. Let's get the rain gear.
00:28:17.380
Yeah. So again, when it comes to, are you spending your time pursuing and maximizing your values?
00:28:23.940
If you do frequent anal, you're following all these steps. But I also hold that for like
00:28:30.260
someone who spends an hour a day doing their hair and makeup. That's, that is just as valueless
00:28:36.980
as someone. Oh yeah. Or somebody who watches like football games or something, you know?
00:28:41.540
Yeah. Yeah. So like, I, again, like we, it, we're not sex negative. We're
00:28:50.100
Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I, I agree with all that. But what I'm saying here is
00:28:54.340
like, when I hear like the head of the proud boys apparently got canceled for, for, for saying something
00:28:58.980
like this. And I was like, no, you shouldn't be doing that. Like, because then, you know, you don't
00:29:05.140
know your own kids end up into something like this and you frame this as like this horrifying thing.
00:29:10.580
And then now they're like, okay, well, I guess I'm just a sexual monster. May as well great my
00:29:15.300
sister, you know? And it's like, well. Yeah. Suppressing this stuff isn't good. And I think
00:29:20.420
knowing about your arousal pathways and possibly even talking about it when it's relevant and
00:29:27.620
whatnot, I have no problem with that. And people shouldn't be shamed for what turns them on and off,
00:29:32.180
but yeah, pursuing it, investing a lot of time into its pursuit. You should just be on the,
00:29:37.140
well, I actually think that this, like, if you're being logical, puts like the new right,
00:29:41.300
strictly morally superior to the left around arousal and kinks. Well, because what we're saying
00:29:47.140
is you can, you can have the kinks you want to have so long as they don't have negative externalities
00:29:53.140
in how you're applying them. And so long as you are not forcing other people to participate in them,
00:29:58.340
which is what you are doing when you dress up that way in public, when you publicly blog post
00:30:05.140
about something like this, when you, you know, like all of this is stuff that's done to involve
00:30:11.060
other people in your kinks. Yeah. Without their consent. Yeah. So that's why OnlyFans is different.
00:30:17.540
It is opt-in. And I think that's, that's one of the really underrated great things about OnlyFans is
00:30:22.420
if you have a humiliation fetish, if you have a like public exposure fetish, all those sorts of
00:30:28.820
things, like this is the place where you can do it and make money and everyone consents. And I just
00:30:34.260
think that's beautiful. Yeah. Like, oh, here's a great thing. If somebody, and I don't believe
00:30:40.260
the Russian pee tapes are real. If some Russian prostitute really peed on Trump, like whatever.
00:30:45.220
I like even think was the right, as it is right now, these came out, people would be like, whatever,
00:30:49.460
like F off. No one cares. And like, I'm glad I wasn't born like that. But also like everyone
00:30:54.900
knows Donald Trump would never, he's such a germphobe. Yeah, he is, he is a complete germphobe.
00:31:00.660
He would never do that. He seems like the kind of person who would see like the tiniest stain on a
00:31:05.460
carpet and be like, we need to leave this hotel right now. You think he's gonna, he's gonna do water
00:31:09.780
sports. I know. I also think that he's a sexual elitist like me. I, I would not be surprised if
00:31:15.780
he has not slept with prostitutes and that he only sleeps with like, he's, he's wrote articles
00:31:19.540
about sleeping was like, not wrote, but that article's written about him, about how he likes
00:31:23.300
like sleeping with his friends' wives and stuff like that. Yeah, because they're high status women.
00:31:26.740
High status. Yeah. And Stormy Daniels was a high status like celebrity. So yeah, I think for him,
00:31:32.980
status is hotter than a lot of others. Not status is hotter. I think low status women are disgusting to him.
00:31:38.020
Oh, it's an aversion thing. Like myself. Interesting. Yeah. Anyway, so to continue here,
00:31:42.900
Murphy's own admission of the video's existence coupled with his attempt to label the redistribution
00:31:47.940
as revenge porn, the claim debunked as the content was widely publicly posted, fueled the narrative.
00:31:53.780
He locked his ex account and deleted his tweets, furthering escalated scrutiny. His defense of the
00:31:58.980
questions about the 2015 cuckolding article, particularly lashing out, lashing out the podcast
00:32:03.940
hoster, the Sidney Watson is, is what caused people to get angry at him. From the perspective
00:32:08.900
of manosphere, letting other men have sex with your girlfriend is definitely a no-no and will
00:32:13.700
earn you the ultimate put down cuck, which is to say cuckold. By the way, cuckolds both in our data
00:32:18.980
and other data was more common among conservatives getting cucked by your partner than progressives.
00:32:25.540
Yeah. Interesting. Murphy's defensiveness poured petrol. Yeah. So the big problem is his defensiveness
00:32:31.860
and sort of how he handled it. Now, what is interesting here is his writings were criticized
00:32:38.020
as misandrist, racist, and aligned with alt-right ideologies, which led to his doxing in 2018.
00:32:45.860
This revelation that he was a senior manager at DC public charter school board resulted in
00:32:51.300
administrative leave in January 2018. So apparently that's when he started leaving,
00:32:56.580
leaning into like the Jack Murphy live stuff. And then in 2021, his profile expanded as he became
00:33:03.060
a Lincoln fellow at the Claremont Institute, a conservative think tank highlighting his influence
00:33:07.380
in right-wing circles. However, December, 2021 brought significant personal revelations.
00:33:12.980
He admitted to authoring a 2015 cuckolding article and producing amateur pornography. So the cuckolding
00:33:19.940
stuff he had written when he was still like a public Democrat, but he had this pseudonym that was
00:33:24.980
doing right-wing stuff. Interesting. I mean, it's fairly complicated. Yeah. And then during this period,
00:33:32.980
by mid 2022, Jack Murphy live ceased new episodes suggesting a withdrawal from his public role
00:33:38.420
concurrently. He enlarged Rebel Health Alliance, a personalized healthcare service focusing on
00:33:43.460
optimizing longevity and metabolic health. And it's something that is still operational and appears to be
00:33:49.700
his mainstream source of income. So one thing I want to look at it's the stuff that got him
00:33:53.540
canceled. Like how actually offensive is this guy, right? Because everyone says, oh, they're misogynist
00:33:57.780
and people say we're misogynist and racist. So he said, if feminists need grape, it is our duty as men
00:34:04.660
to save feminists from themselves. Therefore, I am offering to grape to feminists as an olive branch.
00:34:13.700
That's asking for trouble. It's provocative. But us saying that like the, the Handmaid's Tale
00:34:19.860
is leftist fantasy and that the data proves it could be seen as analogous to that.
00:34:28.180
He said, if you open her A, you open her mind. He said, this is not something I'd agree. Like,
00:34:33.540
obviously my wife says, I'm not interested in this. And I'm like, yeah, okay. Oh, I'm not interested in
00:34:38.020
either. But, but like a, okay. Another one here is big female myths is that they are pure truces.
00:34:47.060
They are hungry, dirty, and enthusiastic about sex. And I love how feminists don't believe in
00:34:54.020
agency of that is not an offensive statement at all. So he said like almost nothing here wrong
00:35:00.660
Also, no, I think that sweeping statement is not accurate. That is accurate about some women.
00:35:06.580
Yeah. Well, okay. Here's one thing that I do have a problem with. He said in one post, he wrote,
00:35:11.700
I've had sex slaves, little girls and tied them all up. Feminists seek me out to F them like the
00:35:19.300
patriarchy, which the little girls thing. Like, I can understand it's sexualized, but like,
00:35:25.700
Maybe not like, I like, I, what I mean is I do not think that he's actually talking about
00:35:30.100
little girls, but I like understand DDL. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.
00:35:36.660
Okay. Here he's, it says he's talked about at an S state where he said the logistics are necessary
00:35:43.060
in the course of events in which leads us towards an S state. Okay.
00:35:46.420
That's, that's actually something that like, I think a lot of people need to think about when
00:35:49.780
you have a large amount of immigrants in a country and there might be an, a desire to preserve that
00:35:55.860
country in the future, like Germany or something. Okay. Um, you got to think about what happens to
00:36:00.020
the immigrants that have been imported into the country? Like how, how does the country,
00:36:03.220
if it changes its mind about this handle this, like when it realizes it may eventually go extinct.
00:36:08.580
And like what we mean here is 25% of the German population currently came to the country after
00:36:14.260
the 1950s or their, their ancestors did have a higher fertility rate than the mainstream German
00:36:18.900
population. Like eventually Germans will be replaced. And this isn't like a, I'm not saying
00:36:25.300
like some evil person plan this out or anything like this, but that this might lead to ethnic tensions
00:36:32.820
is obvious. And if a far right government came into place, a question of what do you do that isn't
00:36:39.060
genocide is something that is worth establishing so that people don't jump to genocide. Yeah.
00:36:45.700
Anyway. And, and I mentioned the other one who this has happened to, which I found was interesting
00:36:50.180
is, is, is Glavin McKinney's who talked about the butt stuff in, in straight men and, and that not
00:36:56.100
being unmanly. And I'm like, well, but like this manly obsession is pointless in the first place.
00:37:01.940
Well, that is, again, it's, it's pretty preening and performative among men as well. And to me,
00:37:07.940
it's screams of insecurity. So I don't, I, I really don't care. Like a man who's very comfortable
00:37:14.980
with his sexuality, like there's nothing more masculine and whether this is demonstrated by a
00:37:20.340
man or a woman than confidence and comfort with your sexuality and being very open about it. That's
00:37:27.940
a lot of confidence. And that's very masculine. And this whole like shaming thing, there's nothing more
00:37:34.740
feminine than public shaming and gossiping. Absolutely. Yeah. So this whole
00:37:41.780
masculine stuff is, is very, you know, it doesn't, it's not the right brand. I think it's not the brand
00:37:52.660
that conservatives necessarily want to project, not, not dunking on man's world or anything.
00:38:00.740
The health of keeping people within their community. If you've created a community,
00:38:04.020
you know, one thing I mentioned to a progressive reporter recently, as I was like, well,
00:38:08.900
you know, back when I was a progressive, there were all sorts of ideas and arguments and everything
00:38:14.020
like that, that I had, that I knew I needed to keep private. If I was going to maintain my
00:38:17.940
acceptance within the community and within the new right, I'm able to say everything I believe
00:38:23.380
about the world. Right. And people will be like, well, I disagree with you here. Let's have a debate,
00:38:28.420
but it is friendly. You know, it's like, they, they actually want to convince me. They're not
00:38:32.260
like, shut up. You're not allowed to say that. Right. Yeah. And I think that alongside arousal
00:38:38.900
patterns, you know, it's 75% of people have some sort of a kink and we're talking about like 20 kinks
00:38:43.860
per person on average. Right. Like if you create a community where on average people are supposed to,
00:38:50.580
to, to know that if something came out about them or something like that, that it would,
00:38:56.020
it would be a reason to like shame and, and remove their platform. And the average influencer
00:39:01.620
in this space feels that way. Like the average conservative influencer by the statistics has
00:39:06.420
something that turns them on that they're hiding from you. And they would hope that their friend
00:39:11.300
did dunks or PC in water when they die. Like the, the fact that that is the case is I, I think not the
00:39:20.340
way we should structure sexual morality within the community. 100% because it's going to push
00:39:27.220
people out and it's going to limit our audience. And instead to say, you know, whatever arouses,
00:39:32.340
you can arouse, you just don't act on it. Don't live your life in that way. And don't make it your
00:39:37.780
identity and don't structure your life around it. Just like with drinking, just like with eating,
00:39:43.300
just like with exercising, all like, if it is not. Don't force others to participate in it. Like,
00:39:49.380
this is what trans people do. They're basically forcing others to participate in like their
00:39:52.900
arousal patterns, right? They're like, Hey, everyone needs to, you know, and you, and you can tell,
00:39:57.300
like part of this is about arousal. Like they're like, none of it, no part of it's about arousal.
00:40:01.540
Like I get it. Like for, for some of them, it definitely, when, when the, especially when they don't even try to pass,
00:40:08.580
it's like, why are you forcing them to call you by a gender that you're not even attempting to look
00:40:13.460
like, like, Oh, it's because you're getting turned on by having power over them. Right.
00:40:18.740
When, when you have the, who was the swimming guy who wanted to be.
00:40:24.820
Leah Thomas. And we have reports that she would go in to the locker room and hadn't had surgery,
00:40:32.740
wasn't on anything, you know, and we had a male.
00:40:36.260
Yeah. And it's like, why are you, we used to call this being a flasher.
00:40:40.500
Like, what are you doing? Like you can, you can do this.
00:40:45.140
If you just wanted to be seen as a woman, you wouldn't be doing this.
00:40:48.260
Like part of me just wishes we lived in the starship troopers world of mixed gender restrooms.
00:41:10.340
And like, everyone has a male like locker room approach.
00:41:13.620
I'm just more angry than that. Because if it's a mixed gender restroom, then, then she, she.
00:41:20.580
Yeah. It's not special. She's not forcing herself on other people.
00:41:23.620
Yeah. See, no, that's, that's the solution is you just eliminate all gender neutral bathrooms.
00:41:28.820
You just eliminate all gender neutral spaces and suddenly everything's okay again.
00:41:32.820
Well, and I also like that, uh, because I think it desexualizes the other sex's body.
00:41:39.460
Well, that's the point. I mean, in, in societies, when things get arbitrarily sexualized,
00:41:44.260
suddenly they are sexualized, whether it's an armpit or an ankle or whatever.
00:41:48.820
And if we just don't make it a thing, guess what? Suddenly, I mean, of course, for some people,
00:41:54.900
they're going to be like, man, get a lot of our feet, but.
00:41:57.140
In the Muslim world, right? Like you, you get like ankles and stuff like that sexualized because
00:42:01.700
they're covered up. If you just had everyone, like seeing naked males and females normalize,
00:42:07.860
you wouldn't sexualize the other gender much at all. You just.
00:42:11.380
Well, I wonder why, like perhaps. So in Germany, you get a lot more nudist colonies and resorts and stuff.
00:42:16.500
And the primary kinks that you see associated with Germany are BDSM. They're power dynamic
00:42:22.980
based kinks instead of like body, body stuff. Like when I think of Germany and I think of
00:42:28.180
x-rated material, it is always power dynamic related and not related to body parts. And yet,
00:42:34.820
when I think of the x-rated material associated with say India or a lot of other regions that are
00:42:39.220
much more conservative, then it's all about body parts. And that is really interesting.
00:42:44.340
Yeah. Is that a good thing? Yeah, I think it is a good thing. I think, I think, well, because.
00:42:49.860
A good thing for it not to be an obsession with body parts, but rather power dynamics.
00:42:53.380
Well, maybe, I don't know. Like, here's the funny thing in Germany. Like,
00:42:56.100
why is it power dynamics that are the thing? It's because body parts are not shamed. Like
00:43:00.100
they see naked people all the time. Yeah, it's like germane. It's like, well,
00:43:02.420
of course, like my, you know. Quality is shamed in Germany because they're like so obsessively progressive.
00:43:09.460
And so, the idea that somebody would have power over another person is what is most
00:43:14.820
it's germane, you would say, as an arousal pathway. Interesting.
00:43:20.980
Anyway, I find, yeah, this is my thoughts after I think through this, that I would generally,
00:43:26.180
like, if I had been around when this was happening, I would say, look, the way he handled this was
00:43:30.420
gross. He shouldn't have involved the public in it. The way that he was defensive about this was also
00:43:36.660
bad. But if you're talking about something like Gavin McKinney's, he's just like, look, you know,
00:43:41.540
you shouldn't be seen as unmanly because you're, you're doing like prostate stimulation.
00:43:46.660
I'm like, well, however, however, I think that it is important to separate your personal life from
00:43:53.460
a professional life, even when your professional life is about your personal life. That's not true.
00:43:58.900
When people are influencers and it's all around their personalities. No, it's not about them as people.
00:44:04.580
It's about the caricature that they've chosen to present online. And the caricature that these
00:44:09.620
men had chosen to present was of a, of that time, classically conservative male, which didn't do the
00:44:15.860
things that they suddenly started promoting. And it was them bringing their personal lives to work
00:44:20.660
that messed that up. And again, that is something I just won't abide by. We don't, we don't abide by
00:44:24.900
that professionally. Don't bring your personal life into work if it doesn't help work. And they made that
00:44:28.900
mistake. And so I, I, I still hold them responsible for it. If it came out, for example, that like their,
00:44:36.420
their search history was leaked, then I would not hold them at fault.
00:44:40.820
Hmm. Yeah. That's what I mean. Like, like search history being leaked or like, who is it? Like not
00:44:46.580
Bosch. Well, one of the, one of the guys like had pictures of hentai. We've had, we have had
00:44:53.220
hentai leaked on this show, by the way, I've accidentally put it on, on, not accidentally,
00:44:58.660
it's a joke. There was the, in the, in the yak, the, the one about Yankees, the mild Yankees.
00:45:03.140
Oh yeah. No, you put, you put the hentai on the show and other people are like, oh yeah,
00:45:06.820
that's a great one. Um, uh, I know that one. You're like, I didn't expect him to actually put
00:45:12.820
it on the screen. Um, just for people who don't know, it's called like my childhood friend,
00:45:17.700
it's broken or something. And it's a, it's a super awesome where they have a, a, like a hentai
00:45:23.780
story about a, a gaz, what's the word? Gyaru. Gyaru girl, which is like when the Japanese women,
00:45:30.420
like do their face different colors and like have lots of piercings. Malibu Barbie,
00:45:34.260
Japanese edition. Garish outfits. And it's, it's apparently you learn, I, I decided to read the
00:45:40.180
whole thing after putting in the episode. I was like, I gotta make sure this actually isn't like
00:45:42.900
bad. Apparently you learned that in the past she was assaulted and she dressed this way because
00:45:48.660
she wanted to feel powerful and like reclaim a sense of power. And then she meets a childhood
00:45:53.460
friend and they fall in love. And then he, he does nice things for her. And over time she learns
00:46:00.340
that she doesn't need to dress this way to feel like she's powerful and she becomes a mom and she
00:46:05.060
has kids. And the, the series ends when her kid meets another kid playing in a park. And this is
00:46:12.980
supposed to be a new childhood friendship that continues to cycle. Well, it's, it's, it's sad at
00:46:18.580
the end actually, because they're commenting on how they, they don't know anyone who has kids their
00:46:22.260
kids ages and no one's having kids anymore. Well, yeah, but they're going to be the new
00:46:27.140
culture that generates, or sorry, that, that inherits Japan. So that's all of the actual,
00:46:31.140
like can't I like not say for work scenes happen after that scene. It's, it's, that's so weird.
00:46:36.100
There's this whole like life arc that's super wholesome. And then suddenly it becomes
00:46:40.660
created the wholesome, like are like the, the not say for work scenes are clearly supposed to happen
00:46:46.260
at various parts of the life arc. Oh, because obviously she gets pregnant.
00:46:49.300
I just want to establish that like these are, this is part of a wholesome, loving relationship,
00:46:54.420
because that's part of the erotic experience for the reader.
00:46:57.540
Yeah, this is, this is people who want the erotic experience of a wholesome, loving relationship.
00:47:02.020
Yeah. And you can't get that full stimulus if you don't have the backstory that proves that
00:47:06.180
that's happening. Cause it's really hard to like lay that expedition, exposition out in like
00:47:10.660
three frames, but that's really funny. That's really funny.
00:47:14.740
But I don't, I don't, I don't want, there's like 215 panels of this. It's like
00:47:18.740
really, but I, I want that to be when Malcolm accidentally leaked Hentai episode that he,
00:47:29.220
No, I don't, I don't think that's when it came out though, that you
00:47:32.260
have in the, in the past consumed Hentai because you've talked in the past about the fact that you
00:47:36.740
like, or both of us agree that in an ideal world, no porn would depict real people.
00:47:43.860
Yeah. No, I'm a hundred percent for only Hentai.
00:47:46.580
You expressed then that you found real porn to be extremely disgusting. So I'm pretty sure that
00:47:52.260
anyone who was actually paying attention at the time would be like, oh, then I guess Malcolm likes
00:47:56.500
Hentai. Cause like, what else are you going to like if you can't.
00:48:00.420
But if you wonder why I find it disgusting, I just can't like look at a real person and in that sort of
00:48:05.380
of a position. Somebody's daughter and or son. Like this is somebody's daughter, somebody's wife,
00:48:10.500
somebody's. They probably have kids. This is, it's rough. Like this is gross. Like this is a human
00:48:17.860
life that we're talking about here. Like, why is this okay to get off? No, I think it's, it's,
00:48:23.940
it's rough. I don't know if other people have that reaction. Like I, maybe, maybe other people
00:48:28.740
don't. Maybe other people are just like, no, but like in this context, it's not them. It's just a picture
00:48:33.380
of them. But like, for me, it's like, I don't know. Like it's, I think it, I was just thinking
00:48:38.180
about, you know, what I feel different if they were someone, if it was you, like what I feel like,
00:48:44.260
but like, then if, if ever I was watching even video of like, you made something for me privately
00:48:49.620
or something, I'd be like, oh, what if this leaks? I'd be so uncomfortable. And I think,
00:48:54.100
I think about that a lot. When I think about the other people, I'm like, oh, like how old are they now?
00:48:59.460
Are people comparing their younger body to their older body? Like what, what, what if their mother
00:49:03.300
sees this? And you just start thinking way too much about it. And then you start thinking
00:49:06.100
about yourself. And that's one of the reasons I think why many female audiences like Yaoi,
00:49:11.540
which is man on man drawn like manga and stories. It's sometimes explicit and sometimes not because
00:49:17.380
at that point you're totally taken out of the situation. Not only is it drawn,
00:49:20.500
so you're not thinking about humans in general, but there are no women at all. So you're not thinking
00:49:24.180
about you as a woman. Am I pretty enough? I think that there's some, there's a big theme
00:49:29.620
in many genres of erotic material that are instead of optimized around specific arousal pathways,
00:49:37.860
optimized around avoiding specific, if not discussed pathways, then anxiety pathways.
00:49:44.420
I'm exactly the same way. What a lot of you is now that AI stuff has gotten good. I don't even need
00:49:49.780
to worry that like a human like like drew it and yeah, humans were involved at some point in the
00:49:55.220
process. I need to think about some guy in his basement drawing this, right? Yes, that's true.
00:50:00.020
That is kind of a turnoff when you think about it. Thanks for ruining that for me.
00:50:04.100
But I also point out with all of this, you know, the reason I say all this is I'm like, okay, so what if
00:50:10.180
some guy is actually like a savvy guy and he's in a relationship and his partner is into this
00:50:16.660
and they're into like him being a sub in the bedroom, right? You know, like, are we supposed
00:50:22.100
to be like, that guy can't be a good man? They can't be a good masculine man. They can't be a good
00:50:28.260
dad. Like, I think what we need to say is like, look, if you're a savvy guy, and this is why, because
00:50:32.980
I feel bad for all of the savvy guys, because there's like a lot of savvy guys out there, right?
00:50:37.460
Yeah. I mean, like the numbers indicate that there are a lot of right out there.
00:50:42.340
If you're a savvy guy, that doesn't mean that you cannot be the perfect masculine man.
00:50:48.420
You can be a good dad who is there for your kids. You can be in a relationship with your wife that is
00:50:56.740
stable and supporting. And when the lights are off and you're doing your own thing, that can be your
00:51:03.140
own thing. And I don't think that we as a community benefit from those guys feeling in constant fear that
00:51:10.260
they are going to have everybody hate them if they ever found out about that.
00:51:17.300
That fear leads to a lot of avoidant problematic behavior. That's like, that's why you see this
00:51:23.300
problem in states where porn is like banned or deeply looked negatively upon by the predominant
00:51:30.740
religion that you see much more problematic behavior. And yeah, this is definitely something
00:51:35.860
that shaming is the wrong thing to do, but not so shaming the fact that you feel it bad, but pursuing
00:51:48.020
it at the cost of your productivity, also bad. That should probably, if not shamed, met with a,
00:51:56.580
like the same kind of concerned reaction that you react to someone who has an eating problem or a
00:52:03.300
drinking problem or some other, like a gambling problem, right? Like those are things like,
00:52:08.420
oh, you're disgusting. You gamble, you sports, gamble, you have a sports gambling app. I can't
00:52:12.740
believe it. I'm never going to be your friend and you can't be an influencer. No. It's like,
00:52:16.740
hey dude, are you okay? Like this can, this you're, you're ruining your savings. Like you're not going
00:52:22.100
to achieve your life goals if you keep doing this. And that is such a great way to frame it is that we
00:52:26.740
should, we should focus on these sorts of sexual prohibitions in the same way we focus on like
00:52:31.300
gambling prohibitions. Like they're very, very serious and they can hurt other people around
00:52:36.820
them, but you need to, you need to frame them with, you know, compassion in this way and be like,
00:52:42.660
hey, like, do you have a problem here? Instead of, you know, one of the funniest things that everyone's
00:52:47.460
like, people thought that like you weren't sexually gratifying me enough and that like they, they sent
00:52:52.340
you emails about that. Yes. I've received multiple messages from people who are like,
00:52:56.980
Are they usually for women or men? It's been both actually. Yeah.
00:53:01.540
I can tell you that is not the case. Now they're going to write to me again and be like,
00:53:06.180
he's saying that this is his call for help, Simone. This is his call for help. He's calling for help
00:53:11.540
right now. Understand how inefficient sex is. I understand. I don't think they understand.
00:53:18.980
I don't think they understand that like we're at the precipice, the turning point of the entire
00:53:23.220
future of humanity and that every hour that we spend doing something indulgent is an hour that
00:53:29.460
we're not maybe tipping the scales in favor of human flourishing instead of extinction.
00:53:34.500
Hello people. Timelines are so short in terms of like what we're building and everything like
00:53:40.100
that. I just feel like, like, did they not get that every second, because we're working on the
00:53:44.740
same projects together. So like, if I take Simone's time for like an hour of sex, like you, you only get
00:53:51.460
so many hours a day. Like, it's not that we never do it, but it's, it's such a waste.
00:53:58.580
Yeah. Anyway, that's, we'll see what they have to say. I love it how you for a while were like
00:54:04.500
really acting weird about this with me. Like, I was like, Malcolm, whenever you want, like,
00:54:09.620
we're here, we can block out time. And I was like, Simone, because y'all got on my head.
00:54:16.420
I was like, no, you do not understand how much I appreciate the work you're doing.
00:54:20.820
Whenever you want, Malcolm. I was like, what is this worth more than the current Andreessen
00:54:24.820
application? The current survival and flourishing application?
00:54:26.660
I know it's not. I know. But like, just in case, this is like one of those double reverse
00:54:34.100
blind. No, but it's like, like, literally, what am I putting off for this? We've got
00:54:47.140
What am I doing for dinner tonight? Oh, yes. The crumble.
00:54:49.540
Yeah. But also, I'm going to try something that I've never tried before
00:54:56.180
that I'm very curious about it. I'm going to try it too.
00:55:00.100
Shout out to Margaret for telling me it's possible.
00:55:03.220
You will find out. What is it? If it succeeds tonight, I'm not going to tell you. I'm not
00:55:08.340
going to tell you. But it is something that you and I both like and that we can't get in America.
00:55:17.380
Ah, wait. Oh my God. Okay. So if you're going to do scotch eggs, don't bother with frying the
00:55:21.700
rice. Just do like regular rice. No, no, no, no. Because what if they really don't turn out?
00:55:27.220
This is my first time trying them. The regular rice with crumble and soy sauce will be fine.
00:55:32.180
Malcolm, just let me, let me do my thing, but let me go now so I can actually prep everything.
00:55:42.020
eyebrow region, but I realize now you do too. So.
00:55:48.180
Permanent crease. Like a little, look at you, look at your furrow lines.
00:55:52.900
Even when you're not furrowing there, they're still there. And that's the problem.
00:55:57.380
Well, not the problem. It's just naturally part of our aging process.
00:56:01.060
Well, I wonder, do you have, do you have the, the smile lines yet?
00:56:06.260
Yeah. Well, that's your fault. That is your fault. The furrowing is my fault. The smiling is,
00:56:12.820
is your fault because you make my life too fricking awesome. And we laugh way too much.
00:56:17.860
No matter how big your wrinkles get, I will not leave you. So don't you worry. Okay.
00:56:22.020
Let's see. We'll just see how, how big they need to get.
00:56:25.860
No, we'll see. And if you stop being able to have kids, that's where things get dicey.
00:56:30.580
Just in case anyone thought that you were being nice and charitable.