Are Furries More Trad Than Trad Wives？
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Summary
In this episode, we talk about what it's like to be a furry, and what it would look like if you were a furry. We also talk about the weirdest thing we've ever heard about a furry and how we would be if we were furries.
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But yes, I do think if you if you if you woke up one day and you had cute fox or dog ears.
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It would probably make you which I don't know how this is possible because you become more attractive every day, but it would make you even a little bit more attractive.
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I feel like if listen, if like Joe Biden suddenly had like white fox ears, you know, like I think that he like he would go up in the polls.
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I think that Joe Biden shows his fetish very loudly.
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He sniffs people's hair. He seems really into it.
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If they had grown up within our generation, they'd accept it.
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That's a bad thing to go around sniffing people's hair and something you can go to a special hair sniffing club for.
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Y'all have a desire to be known and he's constantly sniffing hair in public.
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But we were saying what's also really funny about like what people think is trad and what people don't think is trad.
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Like they are more trad than the nuclear family.
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Like if you're trying to be trad, but you say furries aren't trad or not the type of trad you want to be, what's causing this differentiation?
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Because I don't think that that's what people mean.
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Like the way people use trad today, let's be honest.
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Take the word trad, disassociate it from the concept of traditional or history or historical accuracy and just make it a genre.
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I actually think trying to cosplay like a 1950s wholesome family is one of the few cultural contexts we have for what it looks like to be in a happy relationship with happy kids.
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And so if you're trying to figure out or trying to search for how do I build that for myself?
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Cosplaying that and cosplaying creates the thing you're cosplaying.
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You know, when I took a job test, you know, there's like job tests you fill out.
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You just need to take one of these or else you'll be miserable in life.
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Either join the military or become a librarian.
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That is like, you just like, you can only live with extreme structure.
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And of course I do the complete opposite, but, but also because I think what they miss and what these, these career tests miss, especially with autists is autists don't necessarily want somebody else's structure.
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So it's better to be an entrepreneur, even if like everything is completely like Calvin ball, make up your own rules.
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At least you get to dictate everything yourself.
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I always, I die in systems where I have to live by other people's rules.
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But what I want to ask you, mister, is if you were a furry, what would your fursona look like?
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I actually think that this is a better question for somebody else to answer about me.
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You, you, what would you want my fursona to be?
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I feel like you'd probably be a fox because you're very fiery and clever.
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So you're kind of dog-like, but you're not obedient.
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And like, you also do this thing that I call raccooning.
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So Malcolm, just for your edification, he like, his brain turns off when he has things in
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his hands or even like, like a wedding ring on his hand.
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And like, when he just gets in certain modes, like he's eating or he gets into a car or he
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gets home, like he starts, his brain turns off and he starts raccooning or just like stuff
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And like, you never know where it's going to go.
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If he's at a restaurant, it's like somehow under a plate.
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And then we've lost so many of his wedding rings because of this.
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He just, he has to, he can't have it on his hand.
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You know, I just have this generic, like $5 wedding ring.
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But yeah, we have like basically all over the house.
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Whenever I hit something, just rings explode everywhere.
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No, I'm definitely, because squirrels like to squirrel things away and like hide things
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and they act like they're really busy, but they're really just shuffling stuff around.
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A little raccoon family, a little dirt pandas, trash pandas that hang out in.
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And I like, well, you know what the raccoons would do when they would break into my childhood
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Is they would, they would take our cat's food and then they would wash it before eating
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Like they dip it in water and then they'd eat it.
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And then one, they're so smart and they're so big on collecting.
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And then what we found one day when we like came up in the middle of the night and we could
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hear them, like they'd bust into our house through the cat door, which was one of those
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So like it should not have, but they, they picked the lock.
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And we found one raccoon on the outside of the cat door pulling the bag.
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And we found the other raccoon on the inside, pushing the bag, trying to get it out.
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And of course that was some dangerous situation because then in that case we had a raccoon
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trapped in our house on the other side of the cat food bag, but these are, yeah.
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Before we go further on this, I need to, I was recently watching because I was like,
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I got to recommend this anime and I have forgotten to recommend this anime before.
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But I was thinking, cause you were asking me and I was asking you, what fursona would
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My last girlfriend, well, not my last, but my other really serious girlfriend who, you
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Well, they were all beautiful, but the extra, the most beautiful one.
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She looked and acted exactly like the female protagonist from this anime.
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Just so you know, the anime, if you do want to watch it, it's about economic games.
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So like when people, when there's conflict in the show, it's over something like some
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sort of economic battle, you know, like in Naruto, they would have like actual, but if
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So medieval Europe, economic battles with a spicy wolf girl.
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If you're interested in that spice and wolf, check it out.
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So, you know, what's the topic of this video, right?
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Because recently, you know, we've done some things where we point out that what people
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can, and we have a video on this, what people think of as a trad wife is a progressive conspiracy
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in that it was really something created by Hollywood in the 1950s that was never really
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And among the people who were living it, it was a fairly new lifestyle that had really
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only begun to be experimented with in the 1910s to 1920s.
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And right now it's almost a completely dead lifestyle.
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Well, people pretend it isn't, but it's, it is not sustainable even when they pretend.
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Well, no, it's economically unfeasible for 90% of the population.
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Unless you're super rich, then you can cosplay it all you want.
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But we were saying what's also really funny about like what people think is trad and what
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Like they are more trad than the nuclear family, far more trad than the nuclear family.
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They are far furries are more trad than Christianity.
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Trad than even traditional ultra orthodox, like as much as you can go back Judaism.
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So if you look at what furries are, these are people who identify with an animal persona
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and they will wear costumes that allow them to take on this persona and they will go to
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specific parties that involve a number of people, but not necessarily all the people
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at that party taking on different personas associated with these animals.
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And these animals can exist at different levels of full animalness.
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And sometimes all it involves is just a few animal accoutrements.
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You know, you're wearing a tail or you're wearing some furs or some ears, but like people
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They also will engage with texts that anthropomorphize animals where these animals are not
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representative of anyone exactly in the community, but act as inter-community cultural nexuses
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or nodes that everyone in the community would know about and relate to each other with.
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But a really interesting thing, sorry, a little side note before we go further.
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Remember I was talking about like a cultural touch point here.
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So a lot of people, you know, they might see our show and they'll be like, why do you always
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have like these low culture, like these pop things like appear in the show?
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And like, why, why, why do you communicate that way?
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The clip I just played is of this traditional Star Trek episode where they meet a species
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that communicates entirely in cultural references.
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And I think when you see this species all talking to each other, Simone, is that a bit
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like you when you go to a family meeting between me and my brother?
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Because we both, he just like me, just constantly quotes shows as a way of relating or describing
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It appears they're trying their best, as are we, for what it's worth.
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Like, oh, you don't know this random anime quote that you should know?
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Within our family culture, it would be considered very arrogant to quote or reference really
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cultured things, like a form of extravagance or finery or vanity that shows you to be lesser
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So you almost end up competing on how low cultured things you're quoting are, because to show
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yourself as high status, you need to have achieved a lot, but not be embarrassed about how you
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present yourself or the things that you show that you engage with.
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And so you almost sort of flex how not embarrassed you are.
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But yeah, furries are something that humans have traditionally been doing throughout our
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entire history and are probably one of the most common cross-cultural references you see when
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So when I talk about, like, within the furry community, they have some, like, animals that
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they anthropomorphize that are part of their stories.
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Well, this is what you see in early Native American religions, early Egyptian religions,
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early African religions, or even current ones in these communities, where you will see
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them anthropomorphizing animals that are, you know, that we'd see them as gods or something
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because they're part of this early religious framework.
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They don't really interact with people's lives.
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They're more like shared cultural narrative touch points.
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So don't anyone say that, like, this is not a European thing.
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Europeans have definitely had these if you look at early European history.
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The idea of dressing up as animals you'll see in these cultures, the idea of dancing or going
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to parties where you dress up as these animals, the idea of partially identifying.
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Like, they have different ways of relating to this.
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Like, maybe an animal spirit partially overtakes you and you partially become this animal,
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But this is what you see within furry communities.
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It is fascinating to me that it is just this ancient ritual that people are performing.
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So if you look at masquerade parties, so the original masquerade parties.
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So a lot of people, when they hear masquerade parties today, they think of people walking
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The original masquerade parties, you would take on an alternate persona.
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And many of these personas were, I mean, there was a diversity of ways that you would do it,
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but they were clearly, like, medieval iterations of these early furry parties.
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Well, I mean, you could say that people are doing this when they, you know, the idea of dressing
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up as shared cultural touchpoints, like you would have at an anime convention or something
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And go to conventions where everyone does this and, like, you're channeling these entities.
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Like, maybe the 14th, like, you know, you know, cosplaying as different mythical creatures.
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People cosplay as their favorite characters throughout history when they can afford to.
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Well, Roman emperors would often do this, or they'd be like, I'm this mythological deity.
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Let's also have sex with these mythological deities.
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Well, then they're practically, then you're almost otherkinning it.
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Otherkin are people who believe that they have some sort of spiritual connection to what
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we would think of as fictional identities, like a character from Harry Potter or an anime
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And they think that that is part of their personality.
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You know, I was talking to anotherkin recently, and they were like, it's really interesting
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how much the otherkin social networks have changed recently.
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So it used to be that if you ran into somebody who had the same identity as you, that was seen
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as, like, a bad thing, and you wouldn't want to overlap identities within social networks.
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But now people disproportionately and intentionally seek out people who have these different identities.
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And they were talking about why people do this, like female puberty.
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So, I mean, I get it now because I get that there is this extreme desire to belong to a
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And also, like, you have a crisis of identity when you hit puberty.
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You also don't have the means or independence to figure out who you are, but, like, if your
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friends start tagging you as, like, this character, and this character is fully fledged, out of
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the box, pre-assembled, they have their lives figured out, it's, like, incredibly comforting
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and you just be like, yeah, I'm that person or I'm that character.
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And these days also, because I think we are experiencing, like, maximum atomization and
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isolation in society, I could see why also otherkin of a particular character who may have,
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in another time, not been so, so thrilled to see another one of their same character are
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now thrilled to see it because just, like, now I'm not alone.
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Now there are other people like me and, like, I feel less alone in this moment.
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You know, that's, and that's comforting because we, in, in progressive secular culture,
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there, there's not a whole lot of shared goals and values.
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So, like, if you can just find the same character as you, I guess that's the closest you're going
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to get to that amazing feeling, which is really depressing.
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So, people will see this and they're like, okay, this is obviously true.
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Like, furries have been around for a long, long time.
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Well, but then why, why are people so weird about furries?
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We'll talk about that in a second, but I want to talk about, well, we can talk about
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Like, if you're trying to be trad, but you say furries aren't trad, or not the type of
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trad you want to be, what's causing this differentiation?
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Because I don't think that that's what people mean.
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Like, the way people use trad today, let's be honest.
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And they don't actually mean they want to go back to traditional ways of doing things.
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So, first, so, actually, I think it's a cultural aesthetic that is based around a fantasy that
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never existed just as much as furries or people who go to conferences.
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Or, you know, they are cosplaying as something that never existed.
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So, trad is a genre that, and it's completely, so take the word trad, disassociate it from
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the concept of traditional or history or historical accuracy, and just make it a genre, like anime
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I actually think trying to cosplay like a 1950s wholesome family is one of the few cultural
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contexts we have for what it looks like to be in a happy relationship with happy kids.
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And so, if you're trying to figure out or trying to search for how do I build that for
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myself, cosplaying that, and cosplaying creates the thing you're cosplaying really frequently.
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So, if you cosplay a religion, you will often become that religion.
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And this is the point of, you know, when we talk about, we do not mean ever to denigrate
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like Catholic rituals, even though we have a cultural aversion to them.
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Somebody was pointing out, it is the cosplaying of those rituals which makes somebody become
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It is through cosplaying this trad concept of a family, one of the only concepts of a
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family we have in society, of what does an actual wholesome family look like, that leads
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to individuals, you know, being this happy, wholesome family, right?
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I mean, what do we look like now, right now, you and me right here?
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But you shouldn't overemphasize in the cosplay to a level of economic unrealism.
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A family with like seven kids living off of one income is, I'm going to be honest, unrealistic.
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Well, no, no, some people actually make it work.
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Some people, and I think that's the big emphasis, and you have to really know that you can pull
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And I think a lot of people do it before they realize they can make it work.
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Yeah, or they commit to it as the only way they're going to have kids.
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And this is why, you know, we did an episode which showed that conservative countries, while
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conservative individuals have more kids within a country, conservative countries have fewer
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kids than progressive countries when you control for income.
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And I'll put up the graph here, which says this is not a big difference, but it's like
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You expect it to be a sharp curve in the other direction.
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It's because they say, well, I'm going to wait to like, and like raise a bunch of kids off
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And like, that is unrealistic for everyone, for most people, not like the top two, three
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Well, because, and I think that there's a false answer that everyone's going to immediately
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And I think that false answer is because there's, there's sex stuff, which is, it's weird because
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there's also like, okay, but in trad marriages, there's sex stuff.
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Although I guess like we, at least within BDSM and with trad, the sex stuff is not sometimes
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Whereas there, there is a bit of a like zoophilia slight, I would say weak correlation with the
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Like it's not intense, but it's, there are some furries that are into that.
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But I wouldn't say that the community is like disproportionately zoophilic.
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I will say the community is disproportionately zoophilic when contrasted with the general
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But it's not, your average furry isn't zoophilic.
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You know, maybe three to, to one percent of the community is.
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So I was thinking back to the stats from our sexuality book, The Pragmatist Guide to Sexuality,
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and I realized that the number of furries who are actually zoophilic is almost certainly
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If you look at Kinsey's study back in 1948, he found around eight percent of all men and
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three percent of all women had had sex with an animal.
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What's really interesting about these numbers is that they are about the only kink that we
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could find that has dropped significantly over time.
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More recent studies have shown that this number is only around five percent of men and two
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What's interesting is that our study, when we were looking at how many are attracted or
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find the idea arousing to sleeping with animals, that's around six percent of males and two
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And if our data is accurate and the other study is accurate, that's insane because that
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means around 87 percent of people who are aroused by the idea of having sex with an animal have
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Also, those numbers are shockingly high, like much higher than I would have anticipated.
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So if I have slept with around 150 women and two percent of women have slept with an animal,
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that means there's around a 95 percent chance that one of the women I have slept with has
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Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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So with that being the case, why, why do people hate this community so much?
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Well, huh, I guess it's actually has to do with one thing, deviation from society's mainstream
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So if you look at the dominant cultural groups in our society, whether they're the Christian
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cultural groups or the dominant urban monoculture today, furries are loudly and visibly different
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Wait, in what way, though, that like steampunk fans or anime fans or like Trekkies are not?
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Like you don't hear like there's that famous fur con that like just they trashed the hotel.
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I think Internet Historian does a thing on them.
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I think an Internet Historian is just the most brilliant person ever.
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By the way, if he ever listens to any of these, we would love to talk to you or know you.
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Unless he's like literally a brother and he could be based on the humor.
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I have these moments where I watch his videos and I'm like, but really?
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So if people are wondering what my brother is like, just Internet Historian.
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So either Internet Historian, you have like a twin out there and it's Malcolm's brother or you are him.
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I wouldn't be surprised to find out he's one of our family members.
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No, because it's too close to specifically your brother.
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Yeah, so maybe it's the level of irreverence, the level of like craziness.
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So like if you were to combine soccer hooligans in Europe with anime nerds, you know, you've got both the cultural difference and weirdness combined with the unruliness.
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Maybe there's also something about like people associate mascots and like people wearing costumes with childhood.
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So it's kind of like someone dressing up like Barney and like maybe for some people that violates some like weird.
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Let's talk about why cultures hate people who are different from them.
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Like why would cultures just shame and isolate people who are different from them?
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Because the cultures that didn't ended up disappearing.
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When a culture doesn't shame difference, it disappears.
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It's just basic cultural evolution because then difference ends up replacing it.
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And the differences that did shame people who are different from them do end up disappearing.
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But anyway, the point being is that if our culture did not shame freedom or didn't shame people who are different from it, it would end up being replaced.
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And so most cultures shame things that are different from it.
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So then the question is, why do most modern cultures, like modern successful cultures, when we can see that furries were so common throughout history, this impulse, this cultural display, why do very few of the successful cultures, whether it's the urban monoculture or conservative Christian cultures, why did they not do this?
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And I think the answer is that it just serves no utility.
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I think it's probably part of early human evolution that had to do with group bonding rituals or maybe the evolution of our understanding of cognition or like the way cognition works and the theory of mind works and then accidentally getting it applied to animals.
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We talk about it in our episode of should music be a sin.
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And yes, so culture has to denigrate in other of these people.
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And because furries are extra other and also unruly, like maybe that's just giant target on their foreheads.
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But what's also uniquely interesting is that it's I think what culture also likes to do is like kick out the useless, you know, like denigrate the the nonproductive.
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And that's what something blew my mind about this.
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And this happened in an unconference session we were at at an event that was so off the record that for the first time ever, we've been forced to put our phones in Faraday bags for long periods of time.
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One fairly famous guy on Twitter was in one of these unconference sessions and and furries came up and it came up in the context.
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I'm not going to name him, but it came up in the context of like, you know, where are there overlooked, but very productive and smart people in society?
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And he's like, actually, furries like have I met I've met a bunch of furries.
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Like, apparently, there was a fur con right before some conservative conference that he was attending.
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And like he spoke with a bunch and asked, like, hey, you know, how much is your costume?
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Because they have these, you know, super elaborate costumes and, you know, they're like fifteen, twenty five thousand dollars.
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You know, these are these are people and only five or six.
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And it's these are these are extremely expensive costumes.
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These are like people with careers and lives who are very smart.
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Some of my like like some of the coolest, smartest people that, you know, I've encountered online who like do really amazing work are also furries and like made fun of for that.
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It's it's just so weird because this is also a group that is disproportionately of very high intellectual firepower.
00:29:03.620
OK, you want to get you want to get spicy here.
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Do you think that people with some animal features, you know, like anime characters and stuff like that are attractive?
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Well, I think it's kind of universally understood that cat ears and fox ears on both men and women.
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And I think people have a big misunderstanding here.
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I can't remember where I heard this, but like a major hacking group that I guess is kind of like we'll say 4chan and Jason has like recently taken stuff by ransom.
00:29:35.920
And they're like, we will not return it until you find some biological way to engineer cat girls or like you like that's how they troll them, which is amazing.
00:29:42.320
I just have to say that like I'm glad they're doing God's work, these people, but.
00:29:51.180
Yeah, probably, because I mean, have you actually looked inside cat ears?
00:30:01.220
No, I'm thinking there was this this anime where like people would have like eggs.
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I'll find it out that like represented their like powers and then things would hatch out of them.
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Like they represented their soul and then like little chibi characters would hatch out of it.
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But anyway, the major love interest, like the tuxedo mask in this with a guy who had cat ears and his little thing was like a black cat.
00:30:33.440
And so often in these animes, so at first you said girls really like this as well on guys.
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And then I think of the number of like anime male characters I know that are predominant love interests that are like a black cat and like.
00:30:47.200
Yeah, but here's here's the counterfactual for that and where I kind of agree with you with the gross in real life thing is when I look when you look at the and maybe it's it's it's a rat tail versus squirrel tail issue.
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But when you watch the Wizard of Oz live action, which you've never seen, I know you're so strange, but it's not that good.
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There are there are flying monkeys, but it's really clear that it's just like men in monkey costumes and they have these long tails and just looks wrong on like a human.
00:31:17.860
But I feel like if humans had squirrel tails that are fluffy and bushy, it would be a different story.
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It's just like the ears and the big bushy tail.
00:31:30.740
So like dog ears, not cat ears and squirrel tails, not rat tails or monkey tails, you know, and then we're good.
00:31:38.580
But yes, I do think if you if you if you woke up one day and you had cute fox or dog ears.
00:31:49.320
It would probably make you which I don't know how this is possible because you become more attractive every day, but it would make you even a little bit more attractive.
00:32:03.960
I feel like if listen, if like Joe Biden suddenly had like white fox ears, you know, like I think that he like he would go up in the polls.
00:32:12.000
I think that Joe Biden shows his fetish very loudly.
00:32:16.760
I would not be surprised if I go to his office and there is just random people's hair clippings in his desk.
00:32:26.600
I was waiting for Joe and just staring at his desk when I decided I'd have a little look-see inside the drawers.
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And inside every drawer, every single one, piles of human hair.
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For the first time in my life, I felt like I understood a president.
00:32:49.900
As I was sorting through the hair, admiring the collection, in walked the man himself.
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There was no hiding what I had done, so I just put the hair back, shut the drawers, nodded my head, and said,
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Mr. President, hey, if he didn't want someone finding his hair collection, he should have locked his drawers.
00:33:06.540
We all have a desire to be known, and he's constantly sniffing hair in public.
00:33:15.040
But isn't that a smell fetish and not a, it's a smell fetish, it's a hair fetish.
00:33:20.620
It could be a smell fetish, it could be a hair fetish.
00:33:22.780
It's something, but, like, he does it publicly.
00:33:29.480
And I also think, and I know conservatives would hate this, Trump, I think, is a little out there about being,
00:33:40.820
There are a little too many images and too many video clips and audio clips where he does seem to have something about his daughters.
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There's definitely going to be an age where, like, if my daughters end up super hot, and for some reason my brain thinks they're hot.
00:34:08.800
Like, the Western Mark effect is what prevents you generally from seeing you.
00:34:14.120
Like, I would find hugging them, like, if I thought my daughters were hot, I'd probably find hugging them a little repellent.
00:34:26.520
We should just count our blessings that Ben Shapiro doesn't happen to be Trump's son.
00:34:42.980
I feel bad, like I'm f***ed up for being attracted to my sister.
00:34:47.240
Oh, I think I'm in a little worse of a position.
00:35:11.780
As long as it's not hurting the people around him.
00:35:13.480
And he seems to have a really good relationship with his kids.
00:35:23.780
Is this like a, is this another podcast we should do?
00:35:26.180
Like, just what do we guess the kinks are of these famous people?
00:35:32.460
Wait, what blew my mind, though, is that Trump and Biden are older than Bill Clinton?
00:35:52.020
So, if, okay, Trump was born June and Bill Clinton was born August.
00:35:59.320
Trump is older than Bill Clinton, as is Joe Biden.
00:36:05.620
Like, we have a problem when, because we all thought, like, Bill Clinton's really old.
00:36:12.940
Oh, well, also, I think their generation is too old to really have kinks they participated in in private.
00:36:18.200
Like, if they had grown up within our generation, they'd accept it.
00:36:20.300
They'd know, don't sniff women's hair publicly.
00:36:23.200
That's a bad thing to go around sniffing people's hair.
00:36:25.940
And probably something you can go to a special hair-sniffing club for.
00:36:37.160
I, if anything, I am encouraged by the fact he's so public about it.
00:36:43.560
But I do think that maybe he should try to gain consent from the women he uses for this level of satisfaction and not do it with little girls either.
00:36:52.800
If someone asked you, though, if they could sniff your hair, I don't think that you would say yes.
00:37:17.040
That was a wild tangent at the end of this episode.
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But I feel like one of our kids is going to end up being a furry.
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So they'll be like, well, at least mom and dad love me still.