Based Camp - Are State Run Dating Apps A Solution to Falling Fertility Rates？

00:00:00.000 hello this is malcolm and simone and we are excited to be talking to you today about a topic

00:00:04.420 of grave pronatalist interest specifically the country of japan is making a government backed

00:00:13.000 dating app now i know very little about this topic other than that it exists and apparently

00:00:19.180 it's a paid app which sort of seems to defeat the purpose but simone is going to tell us more

00:00:24.120 would you like to know more or yeah so it's it's actually not live yet only a beta version has

00:00:30.120 really been live but i'm quite intrigued by this i think it's a great idea for the government to

00:00:35.380 launch a dating app personally you know someone's got to make this work and the way that market

00:00:40.160 based dynamics work you're not going to see people actually get married based on dating apps as they

00:00:47.720 are dating apps as they are meant for keeping audiences occupied they're meant for lots of

00:00:52.000 in-app purchases so yeah this actually reminds me a lot of people so when we bemoan the fall of

00:00:57.360 dating apps what we're typically bemoaning is not that dating apps exist they used to be quite good

00:01:02.220 simone and i met on a dating app okay cupid was fantastic for meeting nerdy people but the way

00:01:07.100 that dating apps worked is you would have these full profiles and you would search by like keywords in

00:01:13.300 the profile or by matching in terms of like answering tons of questions and there were different sites

00:01:19.160 that did this in different ways then tiktok was invented which brought in the invite of a whatever 0.74

00:01:25.780 word i'm looking for here of swipe based dating apps the advent of swipe based dating apps and then

00:01:32.680 all of the apps started to move to the swipe based system and originally i had thought that this was

00:01:39.880 sort of a malevolent push right so when tinder got really big and match group moved to swipe based

00:01:45.680 dating and then match group bought okay cupid and they moved okay cupid to swipe based dating and i

00:01:50.580 thought they had done that in order to kill okay cupid so to understand why swipe based dating is so much

00:01:56.360 worse than the old systems dating websites are environments in which guys are intrinsically on the back

00:02:04.760 foot dating websites are environments where guys sell themselves to women fundamentally that's how dating 1.00

00:02:12.680 websites work because the vast majority of dating website users it's like 80 on tinder and stuff like

00:02:16.840 that are males right yeah well here's the problem where you can get differential advantage for males

00:02:26.540 and not just have all of the women sort to the top 20 of males yeah it's when males are being judged on

00:02:33.280 multiple metrics yeah all right so because you know you may not be the highest looking guy but maybe you

00:02:39.620 have a good career or maybe you're witty or maybe you have a hobby that overlaps with this woman's

00:02:44.860 there are multiple dimensions on which you can compete yes um so and by the way i used that dynamic on

00:02:53.880 okay cupid as well i did not compete based on my photos even though i did have photos of myself in film

00:02:58.820 great stormtrooper armor i competed based on these weird questions that okay cupid used to prominently

00:03:03.920 feature in a feed so you could camp out in the questions on okay cupid and give really provocative

00:03:09.200 and weird responses and show up in people's feed and engage them really easily so you can i was able

00:03:14.780 to compete based on how my how hold up sporky i was i'm not saying it was great you got lots of

00:03:19.660 high profile people i did yeah and that's the thing is is that i not being the most beautiful person in

00:03:25.580 the world was able to still compete on that episode although there was that youtuber who was

00:03:29.020 criticizing us recently who was like oh that guy's way out of her league you are out of my league

00:03:33.520 but i i thought that was really funny because i'm like well i guess she did pretty well using her

00:03:38.220 mechanism of female outreach on dating apps but hold on so the point i was getting to is that when 1.00

00:03:43.380 you move to a swipe based dating app it intrinsically means that you are just judging people based on how

00:03:51.440 they look which one interestingly is the thing that women care least about except for random sexual 1.00

00:03:57.980 partners right so you are basically having the dating app replace the nightclub which we've actually

00:04:05.260 seen in the united states nightclub attendance has been like crashing they are just used for like

00:04:09.520 regular sex now like that is the point of of these white based dating apps but they prevent men like a 0.78

00:04:16.140 diversity of men from really competing within this environment because they can't compete on any metric 0.99

00:04:22.200 other than how they look and the women can't really use them for anything other than random sex 1.00

00:04:29.640 and worse because all the women are now sorting to the same few men those men don't really invest in 0.81

00:04:36.160 those women yeah well and both sides are developing wildly unrealistic expectations that is to say a woman 1.00

00:04:42.320 who's a four expects that not only because she can sleep with an eight she can marry an eight but also a man 1.00

00:04:47.680 who's an eight just gets so flooded with women that he's just never going to ever want to marry 0.59

00:04:52.420 even an eight or nine or ten san francisco and this woman was like yeah i mean it's a huge problem to 1.00

00:04:57.560 find a guy who's not polyamorous who's like in my league and i'm here thinking i'm like well did you

00:05:03.900 consider that the men who are polyamorous are out of your league and that like she thinks like well i just

00:05:09.840 need a guy who's like this guy who's sleeping with me but polyamorous but who's not polyamorous like it's just

00:05:14.600 one weird court it's like no this guy is sharing like 10 women like he will clearly date below his league

00:05:21.720 because of that you shouldn't be benchmarking yourself on the polyamorous guys you could get to sleep with

00:05:26.520 but it's worse than that it's worse than that because i think that this shift to image-based uh signaling

00:05:31.720 is now creating this proliferation of filters that is completely like you i have no idea honestly what people

00:05:39.620 look like online anymore because they're they're such heavy filter use that they all look incredible

00:05:44.780 and i'll never forget like by mistake on an app once i turned a filter on my own face and oh my god like i

00:05:50.900 could look genuinely okay it's it is it is astounding you are puritan hot yeah husband goggles there is

00:05:59.740 like i'm now realizing that all these people online that are so beautiful i can now kind of tell all the

00:06:06.680 filters they're using and i think this is just creating this rampant dishonesty too so i think this is another

00:06:11.040 thing is that when any relationship that you could have is immediately beginning with some level of

00:06:15.900 disappointment because now you're seeing the person without the filters for the first time so your first

00:06:19.740 in-person impression of them is a letdown oh yeah and what people say online like when people are like

00:06:25.300 oh you know you guys are mid or whatever it's like bro like i have i have been in public like we just

00:06:30.760 got out of the airport like it is rare walking through an entire airport multiple times we're

00:06:37.120 not overweight i mean that at least gives us a slight bump up even being sorted for by you know economic

00:06:42.840 status i'm like no you you you have been distorted in what attractive is because you assume that like

00:06:50.220 subconsciously your social environment is the tv shows you watch and then in instagram and social media

00:06:57.020 where i'm instagram and social media which isn't the real world you want to learn how real people

00:07:00.780 look go to an airport and walk around okay that's what i don't know airports also select for people

00:07:05.520 who can afford no i'm yeah but i'm i'm using airport because it's even a selected environment for

00:07:10.460 wealthier people but hold on i gotta get to the secret information i actually have access to here i

00:07:14.660 actually was was mentioning that i had thought that match grip had intentionally destroyed ok

00:07:18.440 cupid at a party once and i thought that's what they did yeah best selling book on relationships

00:07:22.200 blah blah blah and i got scolded because actually at that party was the person at ok cupid who made

00:07:28.780 the decision to do the switch did you punch him in the face i mean no everybody don't believe in

00:07:34.100 like i was spreading misinformation and i didn't know what i was talking about because and he said and

00:07:38.780 i i was wrong clearly he's like no it's what the users wanted we could see it in the dad i mean

00:07:46.640 yeah it leads to more engagement let's be clear as to what he's really saying when he says that

00:07:51.860 when they switch to swipe based systems because keep in mind the majority of users are men

00:07:57.140 they are getting more user interaction and more regular user interaction the guy you know he turned

00:08:04.560 out to have been the guy who made this decision and the reason he gave for making the decision was the

00:08:10.240 data so what they were really finding in this data was just that they could make the men their

00:08:14.900 primary audience more addicted yeah and that is why all of the apps have made this change

00:08:20.820 so much so i thought that in a recent scott alexander grant thing or not recent this was a few years

00:08:27.200 ago one of the proposals that like a non-profit should do is to remake the old ok cupid oh i remember

00:08:34.320 that yeah actually optimize around finding a partner who you want to marry instead of just getting

00:08:40.960 people addicted to the platform yeah so japan has the opportunity to do something like that here

00:08:46.600 yeah and it's not economically incentive it's not it's not trying to keep people on an app it's not

00:08:51.520 so i think this idea of a government-backed dating app fantastic and i've already seen people

00:08:54.820 tweeting about this oh it's dystopian oh can you believe you know governments are forcing people

00:08:59.340 to get married no they're not okay so whenever somebody like suggests marriage to someone they're

00:09:04.180 like you're forcing me you're forcing me it's like oh no i honestly malcolm i think it's a fetish thing

00:09:10.080 there was also this i think there's a netherlands a bunch of women dressed up in those handmaid's 1.00

00:09:13.680 tail like bonnet red cape dress things they're like oh because they had some like pro they were

00:09:19.040 discussing pronatalist policies and this is just like policies to help parents even this is not like

00:09:23.480 we're going to take away female reproductive rights it was just like you know this is the netherlands 0.82

00:09:27.660 okay this is not china okay then and and they show up in force wearing the handmaid's tail i think

00:09:33.800 they just wanted to cosplay at it as it i think they all have some our fantasies going on sexually

00:09:38.420 okay okay maybe but here's what i think is going on i think that when you even suggest the idea that

00:09:46.680 they should do something that they know they need to do it's a bit like or that they would be better

00:09:50.580 off doing when you tell a fat person you know you probably shouldn't eat that they like the anger

00:09:55.800 that you're gonna get is like really disproportional to what you just said even though it would be in

00:10:00.800 their best interest if they did that because they know that they shouldn't eat that these women know 1.00

00:10:06.300 that they would be happier if they found contented long-term partners who cared about them and if they

00:10:11.700 had kids but they haven't made the sacrifices in the same way that you know the fat person reaching

00:10:16.640 for the donut is unwilling to make the sacrifices and that uh dissonance cognitive dissonance causes

00:10:23.780 them to say and you know fat people will do this you're telling me i need to lose weight you're

00:10:27.200 trying to genocide fat people and it's like no i just said that maybe you should you want to get 0.96

00:10:32.760 rid of all people like me and they immediately go to these places because it's the only way that they 0.97

00:10:38.540 can logically because they don't want to think like internally wow i'm being super illogical and

00:10:42.620 insane right now right they want to believe that they're being the good guy logical so they take this

00:10:49.520 position where it is a an attack to even mention like hey you know if you do think you can have

00:10:55.920 kids it would be useful to you know civilization if you did we're not pressuring you we're just

00:11:01.900 letting you know it's on the table and that you're not they wouldn't need to wear those costumes

00:11:05.220 not doing it they wouldn't you might as well be holding them to the floor with a gun against their

00:11:09.960 head they're like it's fascism it's fascism i think there's something going on there but so 0.83

00:11:16.320 anyway there are some spicy things uh weigh in on this yeah do do these people have a fetish like

00:11:23.120 simone says which they totally do because otherwise they wouldn't cosplay as people

00:11:26.420 or quick note here before you go further we never edit or censor the comments if ever the comments are

00:11:33.360 weirdly turned off or you see things being deleted that is youtube doing it automatically

00:11:37.720 we one it goes against our philosophical beliefs to do that we do not have time for that we don't have

00:11:43.140 time for that so we're a small channel like we're editing videos every day you think i also have

00:11:47.420 time to like be editing the comment section we have day jobs so anyway spicy things about the app

00:11:53.460 which i actually think are fantastic and no these aren't coercive things they're just cool policies so

00:11:58.780 users oh by the way for those who want to read more about this i'm looking at japan today.com

00:12:04.040 the article's called tokyo government to launch dating app to boost birth rate so

00:12:08.480 users will be required to submit documentation proving they are legally single and sign a letter

00:12:15.600 stating that they are willing to get married i think that's great setting like a standard there

00:12:21.060 you're willing to get married actually i don't know if you're familiar with these there's like

00:12:24.680 subreddits tied to this like are we dating the same guy yeah and like manhattan remember i said that

00:12:30.800 all the women are matching to the same guys totally the really interesting thing that this is creating 0.65

00:12:35.340 quote-unquote legally single category means that they are creating a sub marriage threshold of

00:12:43.220 relationship commitment or an individual is registering with the government that they are

00:12:48.400 dating somebody else so no i think i think they're just saying they're not married no no no i think it

00:12:54.260 means they're not dating someone else i think it's a sub category that they're creating here which is

00:12:58.420 actually a really powerful thing to do because it helps pipeline people to engagement much faster

00:13:05.160 to have this incremental stage between we used to have this when i was younger it's called being

00:13:10.800 facebook official yeah yeah yeah yeah but it was hard to cheat on someone if you were facebook

00:13:14.840 official because people didn't easily find that another facebook isn't like the primary social platform

00:13:21.020 when people can make excuses about why they don't have one facebook official doesn't exist anymore which

00:13:26.500 made it very hard to cheat during the period where facebook was that common so continue because you're in

00:13:31.780 a relationship with someone on facebook yes i think that's absolutely brilliant also stating one's

00:13:37.260 income is common on japanese dating apps but tokyo which is this is the the office it's announcing this

00:13:43.480 dating app will require a tax certificate slip to prove the annual salary i also think that that's

00:13:49.720 absolutely brilliant that if you are if you want to front about something you actually have to provide

00:13:56.700 receipts like literal receipts um because another thing that you see happening on dating apps a lot

00:14:00.920 is people and of course social media in general people signal wealth and especially in the united states

00:14:05.300 they signal it and they're actually in massive amounts of debt it's not wealth at all like you you

00:14:09.960 think that you are possibly dating into maybe even marrying into financial security

00:14:14.620 and you in the end are not i did flex on the new app to show that you actually have a lot of wealth

00:14:21.000 but to not live the lifestyle of a like not dress super wealthy yeah you know you're dating somebody

00:14:26.120 with financial security which is hot or somebody who's been wasting all their money on those trading

00:14:30.880 card games that they have in japan so you know one or the other yeah 100 so this is actually the

00:14:38.780 first app that that the government has organized but also they have been organizing or municipalities

00:14:45.700 within tokyo at least have been organizing matchmaking events for a while now which is

00:14:50.340 really interesting and i am dying maybe in the future we can do an episode yeah sort of like

00:14:56.480 different so singapore has had a matchmaking program for a while and in china you can go to the parks in

00:15:01.980 china yeah but that's parents that's parents self-organizing which is great parents are a major

00:15:06.600 under discussed factor in matchmaking and they used to play historically a huge role in matchmaking

00:15:13.940 yeah but i think most of these parents i don't think that many from what i've heard that many

00:15:18.640 actual relationships don't come out yeah i think they just go to there to complain or brag honestly

00:15:22.840 yeah so your your hypothetical match with my son isn't good enough you know your hypothetical match

00:15:29.640 with my daughter isn't good enough and then they find one that's good enough and the kid's like

00:15:33.340 what are you doing what sorry you said what are you doing i no no the i was talking about the

00:15:43.120 parents not you yeah sorry you confused me i was like i don't i don't know so so the uh one thing i

00:15:50.260 found interesting about the dating app was how little they had invested in it it did not sound

00:15:53.860 like enough to make a functional app yeah well and the other thing is and this is actually one of the

00:15:59.600 reasons that they made for just that they presented justifying the app's creation whereas i feel like

00:16:04.940 it's actually a reason to be skeptical that this should be made at all the official said quote we

00:16:09.900 learned that 70 percent of people who want to get married aren't actively joining events or apps to

00:16:14.620 look for a partner unquote and then they they continued we want to give them a gentle push to find one

00:16:20.460 but that isn't like creating an app for which there may be don't demand isn't going to solve the

00:16:26.600 problem i do think that the fact that this app exists and has some controls in it and it's not

00:16:33.280 just the controls i mentioned also an interview will be required to confirm everyone's identity as

00:16:38.780 part of the registration process which is pretty cool because i mean you're not going to have fake

00:16:44.300 people or people just kind of you know i don't know what's the word tourists you won't have tourists

00:16:49.580 on the app as much you can't it appears use filters and stuff right you know it doesn't state that and

00:16:55.720 i'm a little bit concerned about that because then you know we still have that problem but it sounds

00:16:59.980 like the kind of app where this would not be permitted although it would be terrible if everyone

00:17:04.020 had just like a government id photo dating half photo that would be slightly suboptimal but yeah i am

00:17:10.820 a little skeptical that people will use this and i think that's one of the biggest problems but i

00:17:14.400 i also remember when you and i were in the period of dating okcupid was kind of the place to go to meet

00:17:20.540 interesting people tinder and some other apps are the place to go if you wanted sex and then if you

00:17:25.340 actually wanted to get married you would go on match.com and i do think that having a place to

00:17:29.900 go where it's kind of at least at the time socially understood that if you're there you're looking to

00:17:35.160 close a deal it would be really helpful and i remember when i was dating with peers and we were

00:17:39.820 doing our whole competitive dating ring in the office all of us were on okcupid except for one

00:17:43.980 and she immediately found a very well-matched partner they were engaged within a couple of months and

00:17:49.580 then they got married just like that and it was so weird to see because no one else was really

00:17:54.640 thinking about getting married but both of them were in their late 20s and they were just like

00:17:59.540 ready to close the deal and and i actually at the time there were even older people i knew like in

00:18:05.500 their early 40s who also went on match were very like brass tacks like this is what i'm looking for

00:18:10.320 this is what i'm not looking for got married just like that and it'd be really cool if this app could

00:18:15.200 sort of well but here's the thing about different dating apps right now in the current environment is

00:18:20.480 that you're always going to have different social sort of circles that become self-sustaining within

00:18:27.440 different apps because you need like a certain amount of people of a certain sociological and

00:18:33.320 social profile to be on an app and then it becomes like the cluster you go to for that sort of person

00:18:37.740 oh yeah it's gonna actually differ between cities you know it's some cities like okcupid might not be

00:18:43.340 quite as nerdy as other cities yeah but when we did it like okcupid was like the nerd like it was the

00:18:48.680 nerd app um yeah and that's why i was on it i wanted to meet a nerdy wife like i was like okay 1.00

00:18:53.160 that doesn't seem to be as much of a thing anymore this disintermediation although i've been listening

00:18:59.320 to a lot of you know lgbt youtubers talk about dating in the current environment and one of the

00:19:07.100 things i found really interesting is lesbians trying to find apps where you don't have tons of 0.99

00:19:14.320 really aggressive trans women uh because you know obviously these women used to date as men 0.98

00:19:19.140 and so they're used to being one you know really aggressive on apps the way men are and lesbians 1.00

00:19:24.900 on apps are apparently very similar to women on normal dating apps which is just not you know

00:19:30.060 outreaching that much yeah so where do they go if you join an app that doesn't filter against that

00:19:35.020 and you can you know get in so much trouble for for even requesting like i only want to i only want

00:19:39.380 to date you know cis lesbians right so because you can't you can't ask that like the apps will not 0.99

00:19:44.220 allow you to filter this even lesbian only apps like which is so funny because on other apps well 0.97

00:19:48.760 pretty much on every app you as a woman or man but typically women you can be like well i'm not

00:19:53.360 going to date anyone who's below six feet and male right so you can discriminate against height you

00:19:58.900 can discriminate against so many other factors age but you cannot discriminate against even even 0.93

00:20:04.660 ethnicity on a lot of these apps but not against you you know cis or trans which is a pretty big

00:20:10.500 morphological different you know yeah i would say it's probably bigger than height a little bit

00:20:16.940 i've heard the most common is that they actually find facebook dating to be the a place with the

00:20:22.900 wait is is there a dating app on facebook apparently there is so there's like facebook marketplace and

00:20:31.680 there's facebook dating yeah now see i've heard that it's linkedin linkedin is the place where at

00:20:37.460 least like higher earners go to date um i've heard that as well yeah well it is something because you're

00:20:43.160 gonna get higher agency people there that actually like know what they want and reach out and when we

00:20:47.700 know couples and parents who met on twitter on twitter yeah oh yeah yeah i mean it's a hard place to

00:20:54.320 meet but no i think it's it's more common i mean i don't know i don't know anyone personally who

00:20:59.200 married based on linkedin only dated but i do know people who married based on twitter

00:21:04.100 that's something yeah yeah but but see again twitter is a place where you can compete based on image

00:21:10.340 based on like prestige you know follower count based on just how clever and witty your ideas are

00:21:15.920 and the people that we that we know i'm thinking of one couple especially who like even now have a kid

00:21:22.220 together is it public that you can say this or i don't know if they were public about meeting there

00:21:26.760 but they don't have a ton of followers like they just were intellectually very engaged oh yeah

00:21:31.100 yeah yeah that is interesting yeah intellectually they're very much like in the same twitter circle

00:21:36.520 yeah um yeah that makes a lot of sense so if you were to design a dating app as a government

00:21:41.120 what would you do i would first you have to have a lot of pictures because only with a lot of pictures

00:21:48.720 can you determine what somebody really looks like so you want like 30 or 40 pictures minimum

00:21:53.280 oh oh oh oh but i have an idea is the photos have to come from your personal network none of them can

00:21:59.240 come from you that would be incredibly hard to source that's i don't know if they just you know like

00:22:05.920 letters of recommendation for college applications come from third parties so 30 to 40 photos and which

00:22:13.180 photo gets shown to people is random among those photos so you can't have like the your good side photo

00:22:18.780 yeah um then you also need a long form profile that talks about a lot of stuff so that you

00:22:26.700 the primary thing you're putting forwards is your sort of bio maybe even a swipe based system but the

00:22:34.840 swipes show individual portions of somebody's profile not their picture oh okay so people are not

00:22:42.700 it photos are not the first and foremost thing but there are tons of photos would you gate access to

00:22:47.840 photos until after people send a message in a kind of love is blind kind of thing no but what i would

00:22:52.580 do is i would create hidden categories based on either ia or human so we do ratings of everyone

00:23:00.380 based on their attractiveness to create leagues kind of like keeper ai does where they actually

00:23:04.840 okay cupid used to do this as well and so you don't remember you could get your league rated

00:23:10.040 i don't remember league ratings but i do remember that it would it would tell you if you were hot

00:23:15.440 right yeah how many outreaches you got but i think just create leagues and then have people only be

00:23:21.660 sorting within their league in terms of the the the text chunks that they're choosing to swipe or not

00:23:28.340 swipe and then you also need a system where if they say they're dating somebody there's some sort of a

00:23:37.400 cost to that like they can't go back on the app for a year or something like that or half a year you

00:23:42.020 know well but then people are just gonna lie no no the idea is is that dating somebody like going to

00:23:49.040 this i am in a relationship stage is an actual commitment

00:23:52.100 with a cost so you can't get back on the app okay we'll say at least a quarter maybe not half a year

00:23:59.840 a quarter of a year okay after you break up before you can get back on the app again so you can't just

00:24:06.120 tell somebody oh yeah i will date you officially register with the app and then break up a week later

00:24:11.700 you know this you you need switching costs that's one of the core problems in our society right now

00:24:17.020 is low switching costs yeah i agree that you have to create higher switching costs i yeah i'm not

00:24:23.040 exactly sure how to design that i make on this is a lot of people you know you're talking about like

00:24:27.980 using linkedin using twitter etc people like i'll just meet my partner naturally right like i hear this

00:24:33.080 all the time yeah uh you know they're like like people used to people used to and it's like do you go out

00:24:40.800 to a bar every day of the week and they're like no and i'm like that's how people used to meet like

00:24:46.040 they used to meet no they used to meet in high school that was kind of the in high school you

00:24:50.040 meet in college but you were meeting in environments where you were regularly socializing yeah people who

00:24:55.680 are not going to clubs or bars or other social events continue to say i will meet someone in the old

00:25:03.820 way without remembering that the old way was contingent on them going out there and actively

00:25:10.800 socializing yeah yeah and i think that that's really important to elevate which is to say you

00:25:18.280 like a partner is not just going to come to you by like osmosis okay i know it happens to some people

00:25:24.620 right in the same way you know it reminds me of somebody like saying i'm not going to apply to jobs

00:25:31.000 i'll just like get one randomly right i'll wait till the job comes to me and i'm like why would

00:25:37.180 you think that would work and they're like well my buddy brandon you know his dad got him a connection

00:25:42.160 or something and i'm like yeah but you must understand that's an incredibly rare phenomenon

00:25:48.060 but you you if you actually want to end up with a job you need to start applying and they're like but i

00:25:54.060 really hate rejection really when they say no or don't follow up or something awkward happens in an

00:25:59.600 interview and i'm like well now of course men these days are also dealing with russian roulette in

00:26:05.780 terms of women who either you know can get themselves pregnant and then force them to pay 0.65

00:26:10.840 child support by like you know you got to card those used condoms or they can just randomly accuse

00:26:17.540 him of grape and it's a very tough environment to be a guy but in a way you know the genetic

00:26:24.820 bottlenecks our species are facing have become more intense the question i have for you men out

00:26:31.380 there is can you weather this bottleneck or will you be part of the faction that gets churned by it

00:26:37.980 because at the end of the day we can't do that much about this particular bottleneck we're going

00:26:41.780 through the species all we can do is try to get through it and then raise a better generation for

00:26:46.380 the next next iteration of society and that's what we're doing with our kids we arrange marriage plans 0.97

00:26:51.500 and all that weirdness so yeah i think it's in the right place it would be terrible if it turns out

00:26:56.960 to just be a swipe based app i'd be very disappointed in them it doesn't say when i said it didn't seem

00:27:02.100 like they raised much money if i remember correctly it's like 1.5 million usd was raised to build this

00:27:06.360 app and i'm like that is not i don't know i mean if you're lean about it yeah well i yeah if you're

00:27:13.120 lean not exactly the problem is is that government things always cost more money and are always

00:27:19.000 jankier than public sector private sector things yeah maybe not in japan i mean you know there are

00:27:25.000 some some governments where it is genuinely impressive what their online services are like

00:27:30.020 and i would you know japan is japan let's not forget that okay you know you go to the airport and anime

00:27:35.660 girls are everywhere greeting you to the nation right oh yeah super cute little mascots it's wonderful

00:27:41.620 right so if anyone can do it hopefully japan can but i'm keen to see how it plays out and i

00:27:47.660 hope it works and it's great i just wanted you to to learn about the fun elements of it

00:27:53.360 well i love our little date talking and i have so much fun being with you same i love you so much

00:28:00.980 i'm glad we met when okcupid was cool last chopper out of nom malcolm yeah all the things in my life i get

00:28:07.460 all this hatred online and i'm like well you know i suppose this is not what i deserve but it's for

00:28:13.720 having such a a good life at home you know every day i owe it to our reality to the future police

00:28:21.000 whatever term i want to say to deal with all of this because somebody has to be saying the things

00:28:26.500 that we're saying somebody has to be getting canceled in the way that we're getting canceled

00:28:30.260 or yeah or civilization is is hurtling towards a cliff right now and nobody nobody has a

00:28:39.860 since the steering wheel to turn it so you know we're just trying to give like the those smart

00:28:45.400 enough in society a really cool like base jumping parachute so instead of just completely crashing

00:28:51.780 they can look in a badass way like saving themselves last minute i think it can happen some people

00:28:56.760 they're getting the parachute man i feel like you and the life that you have given me being this

00:29:01.200 amazing wipe are just such an enormous reward that i still haven't earned no that's really romantic

00:29:09.180 i i want to point out that it's also a big big thing for people who are still on dating apps to remember

00:29:16.560 that you should not try to find someone who's perfect out of the box and that when malcolm found me

00:29:22.820 and he's very happy look he's just said he was really happy he's totally not a hostage i promise

00:29:27.400 but that he married below his league and he created the life that he wanted and if you want to create 0.99

00:29:36.320 your own happiness you have to fight for it tooth and nail you have to build it your fucking self 0.96

00:29:43.340 it's just it's like with having friends you're not gonna have friends unless you organize everything 0.97

00:29:47.560 you host the dinners you invite everyone you remind them all who think oh i'll reach x threshold

00:29:53.620 and then i'll go find a partner yeah no no you're gonna have to brute force this it's gonna suck it's 0.70

00:29:59.180 not gonna be fun just do it like how much do you should i value attractiveness and i'm like bro

00:30:06.280 attractiveness when you bank in attractiveness you are trading something else because you can get

00:30:12.500 higher quality so if you go down in attractiveness you know you can get higher iq higher diligence

00:30:17.040 higher income higher mental stability because you know your value to those women is higher than the

00:30:22.500 men they would normally get whatever your state is so people forget that all of these are variables

00:30:27.520 you're trading for other variables yeah exactly so thanks for choosing your uggo wife that's apparently 0.97

00:30:35.040 what the internet has decided recently which i'm very surprised about it's okay as long as you 0.95

00:30:40.040 can tolerate me without vomiting i'll take it i love you so much i love you too have a good one

00:30:45.880 and you can stop and comment and oh no no i'm on the wrong side sir i edit what's it called it 0.78

00:30:56.740 manifest we got more of the how fucking dare you have simone and malcolm on the wrong side do you 0.96

00:31:04.320 understand how this is even in person now we need to be on the right side when we're talking no no no 0.80

00:31:09.220 no just in the podcast but that you know a couple of times recently we've we got we got a ton of was

00:31:14.260 make more tracks make more tracks and we were surprised like every single person who came up

00:31:18.780 to us was like why did you you need to keep doing that yeah so we'll get back to it all right you want

00:31:25.360 to bring us in bring us in with what i don't the intro you hate my intros okay yes i'll do an intro

00:31:31.740 okay did she just throw up everywhere no she just like every she extruded something very stinky let's 1.00

00:31:39.200 keep going it's all right it's fine you know what life life is life is poop i'll let you go get the

00:31:44.400 no poop is life let's keep going okay so the point i was going to make was that i actually was was

00:31:49.620 mentioning that i had thought that match grip had intentionally destroyed and i believe it's because

00:31:53.580 you really no keep going keep going keep going it's fine you

00:31:59.660 it's okay simone we've got 20 minutes left of this this is not a good idea no no no okay just give

00:32:06.740 me a second sorry it's just it's good that i waited the first time because more came out 0.95

00:32:13.120 you little troublemaker how i love you but you poop like it's 1999 0.94

00:32:21.960 99 okay we're good now hello i am back okay so 0.98

Based Camp - June 26, 2024

Are State Run Dating Apps A Solution to Falling Fertility Rates？

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