Based Camp - Are the Gender Wars Really About Class？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Malcolm. I'm so excited to be with you here today because we're going to talk

00:00:04.940 about the gender wars, which we don't talk about nearly enough. We never talk about gender on this

00:00:09.740 channel. No, never men or women, but you heard a crazy theory that really clicked for me in a lot

00:00:16.440 of ways. Yeah. Yeah. I came across this argument that gender wars are not really about gender, 0.76

00:00:21.980 but rather about class differences and specifically between upper middle-class women 0.90

00:00:26.620 and lower middle-class men. And this came from Cartoons Hate Her on Substack who made this 1.00

00:00:31.980 argument. And she largely implies that basically gender wars participants aren't aware of this,

00:00:37.320 but I'm going to argue that they are. And then I'm also going to argue that it could very well be that

00:00:41.420 all conflicts are class conflicts. And there are some really telling examples. But I think

00:00:46.100 ultimately if we acknowledge this class resource distribution issue is the underlying cause of

00:00:51.940 most, if not possibly all, intergroup conflicts, maybe we can navigate them more smartly, but

00:00:59.240 like, let's get into it. You ready? I'm going to push back on one area here. I'm going to argue

00:01:04.060 something else, which is that what creates this class divide is that male communities will be drawn 0.92

00:01:13.140 due to their sort of tribal centralized nature to the class norms that are normative to the community

00:01:21.440 broadly. Whereas female communities are drawn to a class identity, to the class identity that is 1.00

00:01:28.600 shared by the most elites within the community. And so even- Oh, come on. I mean, like the male

00:01:34.520 influencers who set tones are more elite. Male influencers who set tones intentionally code

00:01:41.860 themselves as lower middle-class. Oh God, you're right though. No, it's true. Even like the really

00:01:46.120 wealthy ones come across as so trashy. It's so bad. Whereas the female elites code themselves as 1.00

00:01:53.280 middle-upper-class Manhattanites. Yeah. It's like old money versus new money. Gender edition. 0.99

00:02:00.040 Like Tim Pool or something. And like the way he dresses on his show or like- Oh, or like Andrew Tate

00:02:05.320 or like the guy who wakes up at 4am and shoves his face in ice buckets of water. They all give off a

00:02:10.340 very new money aesthetic. Whereas literally like women are constantly like right now, 1.00

00:02:16.040 a sort of trending thing on Instagram and TikTok is sort of this old money summer aesthetic that like

00:02:22.040 people like Haley Bieber are, are like not pioneering, but popularizing. So it is, it is actually,

00:02:28.220 that's really interesting that also when, when each class is trying to show off wealth, there is

00:02:34.600 men go to new money and women go to old money right now. 0.84

00:02:37.980 Not what I said at all. Well, okay. Well, consider who is actually rising was in the male spaces 0.52

00:02:44.660 or who wouldn't, when they were. So when Andrew Tate was rising in fame, he didn't go to new money

00:02:52.220 coding. What he went to was traditional masculine things like boxing, kick fighting, stuff like that.

00:02:59.400 If you look at the male influencers who have risen within conservative spaces recently,

00:03:03.740 you have individuals like Asmogold who intentionally codes as lower middle class,

00:03:09.100 even though he could very easily got a lot more money if he wanted to.

00:03:12.380 Oh, that's interesting.

00:03:13.540 Where it's, or are considered bronze age pervert, very intentionally codes as lower middle class,

00:03:18.980 even though he went to Yale.

00:03:20.300 Almost, almost a stoic aesthetic. They're like taking the Socrates approach.

00:03:25.900 Bronze age, a royal nationalist does this with a lot of his stuff. He doesn't, you,

00:03:30.040 you wouldn't have known. Yeah. Yeah. No, his stuff's not about money at all. It's about like,

00:03:34.400 if anything, a lot of these people choose alternate personas to hide that they are not

00:03:40.520 in real life, lower middle class individuals. Oh, that's true. Oh, that, oh, but also, yeah, 0.95

00:03:45.520 there seems to be a correlation between like the actually upper class men are pretending to be

00:03:51.400 lower class than they are. But then like the men who actually come from more middling backgrounds

00:03:56.180 pretend will act like new money. And think about the way that the men who are trying to gain social

00:04:01.980 status today, who even have like all the wealth you could want are doing it. So consider somebody

00:04:07.740 like Elon, right? Like what does Elon do to try to raise his own social status when he has all the

00:04:14.440 money you could ever have? He doesn't like dress in fancy clothes or anything like that. What he does

00:04:18.660 is he posts controversial memes and he, he creates a fake account to try to make it look like he's

00:04:25.180 playing a lot, a lot higher level in video games. The scandals of our time. Hold on. That's a lower,

00:04:33.560 he's making the wealthiest man on earth a huge amount of effort and ended up with a huge amount of

00:04:42.560 social egg on his face to make it look like he was good at a lower middle-class hobby.

00:04:49.880 That's a, that's a really, that's a really interesting point. I wonder if they're just

00:04:54.420 evolutionarily divergent, but equally valid approaches to a kind of realization on behalf

00:05:01.720 of the collective online male id that they are in general lower middle-class. And so either you can,

00:05:06.780 as in a male influencer, be like money, money, money, money, money signaling. Like I have tons

00:05:13.180 of money, look at all my money or be like, I said, I don't need money. I'm above money. I'm better than

00:05:18.900 money. I'm going to argue that what we're actually seeing here is a few things. Okay. It is the way

00:05:25.180 that men build camaraderie and culture is part of the reason why they have normalized to the lower

00:05:30.020 middle-class aesthetic. But the other reason is the influence of the MAGA movement and the MAGA

00:05:35.880 movement, as I've noted in a number of my earlier episodes, a huge amount of cultural influence

00:05:41.160 that comes downstream from the gender-backward cultural group, which is known as like the 0.86

00:05:44.560 redneck or hillbilly group in like popular parlance, which specifically has always really shunned

00:05:51.100 the trappings of the upper classes and intentionally would really work with all of the other forces

00:06:00.800 that are driving this lower middle-class coding, which is the area where you and I get called nerds

00:06:06.620 the most because we are some of the only conservative influencers who do not code strongly as lower

00:06:12.780 middle-class. And if you look at a lot of the attacks on us, I actually think that they are

00:06:17.820 specifically due to the classes that we code as rather than like when somebody says that I'm a simp,

00:06:25.480 I think a lot of that is actually just, you do not code as lower middle-class.

00:06:29.320 Because you wear educated liberal elite glasses frames from Cutler & Gross, purchased in Soho.

00:06:36.340 Yes.

00:06:37.400 How dare you? How dare you? 0.93

00:06:40.700 How dare you?

00:06:42.900 Yeah. Okay. Okay. Then let's, let's get into it though. I'll, I'll start by presenting the argument

00:06:48.420 that inspired all this. Cause I, you know, this, this, this episode is dedicated to Diana Fleischman,

00:06:52.700 who gifted me a month of a free subscription to, to the cartoons, hate her sub stack, because this 1.00

00:06:57.180 was a paid post and it's titled the gender wars are class wars. Subtitle. Of course, we'll never 0.61

00:07:02.980 agree. We're living in different realities. Also though, just, just so you like have a little

00:07:07.560 respect for her. She's not like a liberal or conservative. She's, she's more just having fun. 1.00

00:07:13.540 She refers to herself as a terminally online normie mom and a former Reddit troll who earned a total IP

00:07:18.380 ban. And I feel like if you're a troll who earned a total IP ban, like you deserve at least a little

00:07:23.140 bit of attention and respect, but so that the TLDR for argument is that the main issue is not gender

00:07:28.760 instead it's class differences. And specifically this is upper middle-class women and lower middle-class 1.00

00:07:34.360 men. She argues these groups can't agree on the basic realities of social life. So each finds each 0.94

00:07:40.080 other's anecdotes about dating and marriage and status completely implausible or fabricated,

00:07:44.200 which is one of the reasons why I think they're like, Oh, you're making this up or this is all

00:07:47.620 cope. And then she, she points to some viral examples. Like there was one about like hot nannies

00:07:53.140 or grad school and marriage prospects is another example. I'm going to send you on WhatsApp

00:08:00.300 just so you can see the thread. The, so specifically the hot nanny debate was, was I think sparked by

00:08:09.920 a Tik TOK post that a Columbia nanny posted that caused a lot of the male members of the gender 0.99

00:08:19.160 wars to be like, well, Oh, of course the husband in this relationship is sleeping with a nanny. And

00:08:25.340 they kind of like sort of dehumanized the unseen mother in the picture here of like, well, why bother,

00:08:31.480 you know, having kids, if you're not even going to be around to raise them. And there's just sort of

00:08:35.120 this, what she highlights is a deep disconnect between like actually having experience with

00:08:41.060 nannies. Like most of the men who, who jump into the thread and comment on au pairs and nannies

00:08:46.260 have never actually had them for themselves. Don't really understand the dynamics. Don't really

00:08:50.320 understand like how gross it would feel if you slept with a nanny. Yeah, it'd be really gross to

00:08:54.820 sleep with a nanny. 1.00

00:08:55.540 Wednesday, bad news. Uncle Fester is getting married.

00:08:59.900 To whom?

00:09:00.480 The nanny. Get out of the cabin. I mean, I'd kill myself. The help? I think that's disgusting. 0.98

00:09:10.020 I think they're like circus people.

00:09:12.820 Like I, I like the idea that somebody is like, and I even think about like my friends who have

00:09:18.020 nannies and stuff like that. And we go play with them. It would be quite the, the like, okay.

00:09:24.680 Cheating on your wife within like tech elite social circles, as long as you guys first, if you say

00:09:29.600 like you're polyamorous, which a lot of them do, like it doesn't matter at all.

00:09:32.200 Yeah. I feel like it's almost impossible to cheat in these elite circles.

00:09:35.220 And you sleep with the nanny and she wasn't brought in knowing that this was the role she 0.97

00:09:40.340 was going to play. That'd be seen as like really gross. Like this would also, it's like a lawsuit

00:09:44.720 waiting to happen. Like the liability of it.

00:09:46.980 It's stupid. Like it's not that it never happens ever, ever, ever, but it's not a bigger threat than 0.99

00:09:54.500 having your wife go to an office that you don't also work at, which by the way, is the number 0.99

00:10:00.240 one place that women cheat. It's people they meet at the office. I think it's 80% of infidelity. 1.00

00:10:04.760 It's also how most people find relationships. Oh yeah. With the, the, the prominent Coldplay

00:10:08.580 example that surely you've heard of at this point.

00:10:10.380 Yeah. Well, yeah. The, the, the just went live that Coldplay, the guy who's caught cheating

00:10:14.680 with his HR that, and she had a husband. It was my understanding.

00:10:18.020 And he had a wife and kids is that is, is actually like where within, like if you are a middle upper

00:10:26.460 class couple or something like that, where the husband or wife is likely to cheat is the nanny 0.96

00:10:31.900 who is like around the kids and stuff. And often comes from one, like a totally different background.

00:10:39.340 It's usually, you know, you, you know, you're not, you're not going to like, keep in mind a lot

00:10:44.920 of these nannies are, I'd say like conservative Catholic types. Like they're, they're, they're 0.89

00:10:50.260 usually from like middle, lower class, like conservative, Catholic, religious backgrounds.

00:10:53.960 They're, they're not the type who's looking to sleep around with their employer.

00:10:58.040 Yeah. And I, I won't say that like nannies or au pairs who come to the United States from

00:11:02.480 abroad and are young and hot aren't sometimes looking for romance, but they're looking for

00:11:08.040 romance their own age. And while there's a bunch of people who jump in, in the thread and

00:11:11.760 are like, Oh yeah. Like she's definitely sweet sleeping with the husband. Nannies always 1.00

00:11:16.000 do this. Like one guy who jumps in the thread, Nick Walker. He's like funny how Twitter's

00:11:20.640 automatically assuming she'd go for her client's husband when there's a 90% chance her fiance 1.00

00:11:25.480 is better looking. And literally we have a colleague who was formerly a nanny in the U S

00:11:31.200 and now lives here and is married because while she was a nanny, she met a guy her age who

00:11:35.780 was awesome, who she then married. 0.95

00:11:37.640 Like I think that people aren't really thinking through this. Okay. So you can look at the

00:11:43.340 woman in, in this, you know, I'll try to post a picture of it. You can see she's a very attractive 1.00

00:11:48.280 woman and that's, what's causing people to think this. Right. But what they're not considering

00:11:52.680 is the world from this woman's perspective. So I am this woman, I am young, very attractive.

00:11:59.520 I'm likely from a developing country, but right now I'm staying with a wealthy family in a place

00:12:04.520 like Manhattan or San Francisco. I want to play my cards. Well, I'm a, even a hypergamous woman.

00:12:12.500 What am I trying to do? I am trying to lock it down a wealthy tech bro to marry me, not sleep with

00:12:20.720 a guy who's paying me a fixed fee.

00:12:23.040 Well, and also just considering like, even looking at the bigger meta of it, this is a Brazilian,

00:12:27.420 I'm sorry, a Colombian nanny who has posted this video on TikTok. I'm sorry, TikTok on TikTok. She's 1.00

00:12:34.160 literally advertising how hot she is, but also what a great mother she would be. Because this 1.00

00:12:39.340 video shows her doing all these sweet things with the kid. The kid obviously loves her. And a lot of

00:12:42.760 people also chime in in the thread to say like, wow, I wish like, you know, she's, she's great.

00:12:48.080 She's fishing with the video. The thing is she's using her, her opportunity to advertise what a good

00:12:52.960 wife she will be. She's not trying to be the other woman, clearly. 0.81

00:12:56.200 No, but what's funny is, is guys are watching a video and I, and you are here noticing like a

00:13:01.420 class difference between groups where you're seeing this flare up of a person who is literally and

00:13:06.680 flagrantly, if, if, if I was her like employer or something, or you, you'd be like, Hey, that's

00:13:11.820 pretty unprofessional to be looking for a husband on TikTok using your nannying job. You're, you're,

00:13:18.500 you're watching her do something that is actually a violation, is actively unprofessional, is

00:13:24.000 actively out there in a way looking for a real long-term partner. Yeah. And you think that she's 0.99

00:13:30.940 trying to sleep with the husband? Some old guy. You think she's putting her job at risk? Because I'm 1.00

00:13:35.560 sure if the parents saw this, it'd be kind of pissed because she's not hiding a kid's face or 0.99

00:13:39.540 anything. And a lot of parents are really sensitive about that. Not us. It's not that I've never had

00:13:43.800 nannies hit on me, but it's like, you wouldn't consider it right. Like you'd be like, Oh, that's

00:13:50.200 a giant lawsuit waiting to happen. Yeah. Like let's definitely not do that. Yeah. And I mean,

00:13:56.440 I think there's this, this big, because of a few very high profile examples of, of people sleeping

00:14:03.060 with nannies there, there's this, this perception that it's just pervasive. And even your mom was like,

00:14:10.000 don't, don't ever get a hot nanny. Then I see these archival videos of your childhood. And I'm

00:14:17.000 like, who's the hot woman in the bikini playing with you guys. It's not your mom. You know, who's,

00:14:22.260 who's this hot woman in Italy, like sitting in your bedroom. And it's like, you had hot young 0.80

00:14:26.180 au pairs all the time. So, and there were no problems. And yeah, they, I mean, you had a mixture.

00:14:32.420 There's just not a huge benefit from the perspective of the au pair to sleep with the old, 1.00

00:14:38.400 ugly, rich guy, or even, even, you know, medium age, because he's already married. He has kids 0.88

00:14:43.820 and they're the likelihood that they are going to break up the marriage or get him to pay her

00:14:50.580 like some side amount is so much less of a good time investment than just using the fact that she's

00:14:57.460 from a developing country. And now in Manhattan to try to lock down a husband. And that's the thing

00:15:01.280 is being in these families exposes you to so many marriage prospects. And I think they're also just not

00:15:06.480 realizing that like, they're not even modeling a lower middle income woman in, in what her 1.00

00:15:11.600 strategy is familiar with is tropes of the trope of the nanny that seduces the dad. Yeah. Yeah.

00:15:18.160 And I know we'll have in our comments, somebody being like, Oh, I'm aware of it happening here.

00:15:21.440 And I'm aware, I'm not saying it never happens, but I'm saying it's, it's not something that I

00:15:25.800 would actively be worried about, or you would actively be worried about. Yeah. She also, and this

00:15:30.760 is something we talked about in our AI episode, how like social class can mean different things.

00:15:34.940 Like you can be wealthy, but still be considered low class by many people. And you can be impoverished,

00:15:40.300 but still be mixing in the most elite circles. And she points out that status is interpreted

00:15:44.420 different differently by each side. So like motor lower middle-class men emphasize status is key

00:15:49.680 to male attractiveness. While upper middle-class women often don't even recognize their own status 1.00

00:15:53.940 advantages as such. So there's just this, they are, as she's saying, living in different realities.

00:15:59.800 And then she highlighted by what you just said, huh? You, you just said lower class men see

00:16:06.160 status as lower class men see status as, as key to their attractiveness is like the thing

00:16:11.980 that they need. And once they get, and women are, sorry, what are you asking? You're, you're not, 1.00

00:16:20.160 you say lower class men see this as key to there, but you're not defining who there is in the sentence.

00:16:24.640 Is it the lower class? Key as key to male attractiveness. Okay. And women see it as 0.99

00:16:29.380 key or not key to their attractiveness? Women don't, they often don't even recognize 1.00

00:16:32.740 their own status advantages as status advantages. Like they're not aware of the fact that their

00:16:36.640 income or education grants them advantages. They're like blind to it. Whereas men are like 1.00

00:16:41.400 highly attuned to it. Well, because it doesn't affect the women's advantage on dating markets as 1.00

00:16:46.220 much as it affects the men's advantage on dating markets. That's why they don't notice it. 0.98

00:16:50.360 Yeah. Surprising. They don't see it.

00:16:52.240 No, of course not. I mean, the dynamics make perfect sense. She also highlights that people

00:16:57.260 tend to date and marry just within their own class and within their own educational background

00:17:01.640 without realizing it. And I think that especially on, well, no, maybe on both sides, there's this

00:17:07.300 expect, like women often talk about like, or well, certainly fantasize about marrying men who are 0.98

00:17:12.880 wealthier or higher status than they are. But in the end, they marry people who are pretty well-matched

00:17:18.180 and, and men, men, I think fantasize about. We're talking about statistically here.

00:17:22.320 If you're talking about who people marry versus who people sleep with, yes, there's a huge problem

00:17:26.420 for when people are sleeping around where women will all match to the same few, like, you know, 1.00

00:17:31.860 whatever guys that are top, you know, 0.5% and that they, you know, overly sleep with them.

00:17:37.920 And that there really is a drought for the other men and that women can by dressing up and looking 1.00

00:17:43.280 slutty, you know, land some rich guy. If you're talking about who people actually end up marrying, 0.79

00:17:48.520 it's the Daisy Buchanan's. You can be the, what was the other woman's name in that? The one who

00:17:52.060 gets killed and is sleeping with him. Can't remember the fate of the character, right? You 0.55

00:17:56.680 can't remember her, but the Daisy Buchanan's. I thought there was only one woman. It was just

00:18:01.040 Daisy. It was always just Daisy. No, there was the, there was the Birchroot or something. There was

00:18:05.280 the lower classroom sleeping whiz who ends up trying to like run out. Oh, sorry. Yeah. The,

00:18:11.740 the wife of the car mechanic. Yeah. The, the, these women are always only like side pieces or 1.00

00:18:17.920 something like that. Like the idea of, as a woman marrying to improve your class, it can happen, 0.99

00:18:24.020 but I've seen the, the, the families that it happens in most. And it's usually the creepiest

00:18:30.840 and grossest of men. Yeah. It doesn't really have like, like the men where I would say you could not 0.83

00:18:39.520 pay me any amount of money to, to, to live that life. Well, and you want to know what's interesting

00:18:45.380 though, Malcolm is also more and more people are marrying within their social class. In other

00:18:49.740 words, the likelihood of dating down, it has decreased in recent decades. So in 1958, like

00:18:56.600 that birth cohort, 39% married within their class. So there was a lot of people who were marrying

00:19:02.240 outside and presumably this was women marrying up and men marrying down. Then in 1970, that birth

00:19:08.960 cohort, 45%. So up from 39 married within their class. And then from 1976 to 1981, 56% married

00:19:19.860 within their class. And presumably it's only gone up since then. Now this, this is from UK data, but

00:19:24.660 similar trends are seen in US data. So I think less and less and less people are, are marrying outside

00:19:32.580 their class. And maybe what's going on too, is men are anchoring to a different time. And they're

00:19:39.760 assuming that things worked like they used to work where, you know, men would marry some impoverished 0.97

00:19:46.640 hot woman and women would seek out some Prince Charming who'd be willing to consider her. And that 0.98

00:19:51.540 just doesn't really happen anymore. People, especially because to your point, people meet at school,

00:19:55.680 people meet at work. And those are typically pretty, pretty bound by social class. Right?

00:20:01.500 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not that, not that you, I mean, keep in mind, like the guy who was caught

00:20:05.800 cheating, he was caught cheating with the head of HR. Yeah. No, no, no. Yeah. They were, yeah. It

00:20:10.560 wasn't a secretary. Come on. Yeah. Actually, that's a really good point. Historically, when men cheated at

00:20:16.720 the office and you had the scandals of it, it was a secretary. Today, most of the scandals I'm aware of,

00:20:22.860 of tech CEOs cheating with an employee. It is somebody holding a C rank position or other senior

00:20:29.080 position in the company. Isn't that funny? In fact, I can't think of a single secretary

00:20:32.780 instance in the past 10 years. I can't either. I'm sure, you know, people will come up with

00:20:38.940 exceptions, but I just think it's far less common. But so here's, I want to actually take this a step

00:20:43.720 further because I don't think the way I love the idea presented by cartoons, hate her. I think

00:20:49.020 she's wrong that people are just kind of talking past each other and not getting it. I actually

00:20:53.600 think that either subconsciously or even explicitly, especially men who are involved in the gender

00:21:00.160 wars know that they're class wars, which is why many of them support taking women down a notch the 1.00

00:21:06.220 same way that far left socialists support the elimination of billionaires. Like both have detailed

00:21:11.380 plans for how to level the playing field. Like on one side, you have Zorhan Mamdani saying,

00:21:17.240 I don't think that we should have billionaires. We need to, we need more equality, like literally.

00:21:22.440 And then you have, on the other hand, Arctotherium, whose essays we've highlighted a bunch of times

00:21:27.060 here, arguing that, oh, like in the Aporia article he wrote called The Baby Boom, he argues that we

00:21:32.840 should roll back welfare and pension state income and lower income taxes, because that's mostly men 1.00

00:21:38.320 paying for women, that we should roll back the regulatory state, because that gives bureaucratic jobs 1.00

00:21:42.380 primarily to women. We should end affirmative action for women, that we should defund education, 0.99

00:21:47.120 because women primarily outperform men in the educational sphere, that we should give 0.59

00:21:52.160 primarily all of the perennialist incentives to men and not to women, and that we should

00:21:56.620 roll back the sexual revolution. Like he's, it comes across as the same kind of like, take

00:22:03.420 away the power of the billionaires, tax the rich, except in this case, it's just women. But it's 1.00

00:22:08.320 because in this case, he sees women and explicitly in the Baby Boom article on Aporia, he highlights

00:22:14.340 the fact that women have been given sort of a bunch of artificial tailwinds, enabling them 1.00

00:22:20.540 to have higher relative class status and wealth to many men, which makes it harder for men to attract

00:22:28.900 them. Well, no, I mean, we point out the core problem within the existing gender wars is women 1.00

00:22:33.600 put a bunch of things in place to try to make men and women economically equal, and they've more than 0.91

00:22:38.620 achieved that. Now women are doing slightly better than men within our generational cohort.

00:22:42.040 And now they look around and be like, well, I want a man who's still like more successful than I am

00:22:47.520 for a marriage partner. Where are those men? And it's like, well, you got rid of them. You said they

00:22:52.120 were a problem, right? Like, yeah. So I think that a lot of people are very upset about that,

00:22:59.060 especially the men who have been screwed over, because it is much economic, much, much more

00:23:03.820 economically difficult for men than it is for women, especially because as the economy is unraveling,

00:23:09.360 the part of the economy that has received a bit of cushioning is the bureaucratic positions

00:23:13.660 abnormally held by women now. Well, and abnormally protected and kept in place, even when there's 1.00

00:23:19.680 no financial justification for it. Now, eventually AI is going to rip those apart more than other

00:23:26.500 sorts of positions. Yeah, it'll happen. You know, don't worry, Arthur Theorem. Like, like I said,

00:23:30.480 in the AI and social class episode, I think women are the ones who are going to be screwed over by it 0.99

00:23:34.020 because they are not going to be the risk takers who win. Yeah. So it'll happen. Give it a good

00:23:39.120 time. Well, and they're disproportionately sorting into the types of positions that AI is just going

00:23:43.680 to be safer to have. 100%. Yeah. Because they're middle of the bell curve kind of professionals

00:23:49.140 typically, and men are the outliers, and it's the outlier professionals who are going to make it.

00:23:55.020 Gender reshuffling was in our generation, but it's going to be a fairly ruthless reshuffling to both 1.00

00:24:01.920 genders, I think. Oh, no. Well, I mean, well, at every reshuffling, while I think disruption

00:24:07.200 typically yields more opportunities for men, relatively speaking, that's only, like, the side

00:24:13.860 of the bell curve for, like, the sliver of men that, like, succeeds, like, the genius outliers, and

00:24:20.800 not, like, the equally large, if not larger number that just completely get out. Are they all going to

00:24:26.080 have Elon harems? Is that how we're going to fix the birth rate? You know, it's a signal harem. 0.98

00:24:29.880 With our, with our, our grok girlfriends, maybe. No, no, no. You know, like, the signal guy and

00:24:35.560 Elon. Oh, so, like, okay. Well, yeah, no, no, no. That's actually, like, I think that many women 1.00

00:24:40.280 are going to. Like, 50 wives each. Well, yeah, that and or just in general, women will look more 1.00

00:24:46.200 to, like, well, I better attach, like, I better hitch my cart to a profitable man and make money 0.55

00:24:51.460 off him by raising his kids, like, or have my life supported by raising his kids. Yeah, I do think

00:24:56.400 that we're going to see a lot more of that, for better or worse. As we pointed out, our general

00:25:00.720 thesis is that society is going to become less equal, economically speaking, over time, because

00:25:06.320 of AI. Yep. But, so, speaking of this, like, I'm just, I was thinking about this and realizing,

00:25:12.340 yeah, like, a lot of this really is about resources and wealth, and it really kind of has nothing

00:25:16.360 to do with gender, even though we're saying it's men versus women, and where it's, like, really.

00:25:22.260 About gender, I think you're wrong there. It is 100% about gender, and it's about the 0.99

00:25:27.300 structural and fairness that men deal with. Okay, it's, then it's about structural and

00:25:31.780 fairness. I just, like, let me give you some examples, though, because I really do feel

00:25:34.820 like most of the cultural group conflicts that we have are probably rooted in class

00:25:40.240 differences. And so, let's just go through some examples, like, consider racial and ethnic

00:25:46.100 group tensions. Look at black-white conflict in the U.S., while race is, of course, a centralizing, 0.51

00:25:51.140 organizing principle in American society. Research absolutely shows that divisions within racial

00:25:56.540 groups are along class lines, that when wealthier black and Latino Americans have different political

00:26:01.900 priorities and lived experiences compared to poorer members of the same group, poorer individuals may

00:26:07.400 feel less represented and more acutely affected by class barriers than by purely racial ones. And that

00:26:13.280 absolutely shows up. Are immigrant versus native foreign groups? I think you're saying that really,

00:26:16.800 really, really not, not clearly. What she means by this is that if you are an upper-middle-class

00:26:23.700 individual, you are going to look at your black and Latino friends and say, these people are not

00:26:30.080 different from me. Not only are they not different from me, but the person who says being in a black

00:26:34.920 neighborhood is dangerous is a complete psychopath. The person who says Latinos are taking their jobs, 1.00

00:26:40.960 like, how could you say that? Now, you go to a lower-middle-class individual and you go into,

00:26:46.160 you know, or a lower-class individual and you go into, you know, black neighborhoods, you're like, 0.57

00:26:49.520 hey, this is a dangerous neighborhood. That's like a common thing to say, right? Like,

00:26:53.320 common sense. You say, hey, I lost my job at the auto shop. You know, that's a, everyone would be like,

00:26:59.700 yeah, obviously you lost your job at the auto shop to immigrants. That happened to my- 0.97

00:27:03.520 Well, yeah, that's the other thing. Yeah, because it's not just black-white,

00:27:05.980 it's, it's also immigrants, but like the, the immigrant thing isn't so much. I mean, I think

00:27:10.480 when it's harder for people to maybe express the fact that like, you're, you're mad at this group

00:27:15.800 because they're taking your jobs or you feel like they're siphoning away social services that would

00:27:19.940 have otherwise gone to you. And so you're like, oh, like they're eating dogs and cats. I hate them

00:27:24.060 because they smell weird and they look funny and they talk funny or whatever, but like- 0.81

00:27:28.020 That, it's, it's that they are culturally different. So again, if I'm an upper-middle-class

00:27:32.960 individual and I have black friends and I have Latino friends, because the upper-middle-class

00:27:38.460 is gated by the urban monoculture, these individuals are culturally going to feel almost

00:27:44.220 identical to myself because they are going to be part of the urban monoculture. If I'm lower class

00:27:49.720 and I am a white guy and I have black or Latino friends, culturally, they're going to be nothing 1.00

00:27:55.240 like me. They're going to be a different species for me. You know, I don't mean like ethnically as a

00:28:00.420 different species. What I mean is they're just a different kind of person to me, the way their

00:28:04.380 families are structured, the type of parties they host. Well, and I think the fact that they're

00:28:08.500 different absolutely makes it easy for us to articulate and animate resentment in a very

00:28:15.560 colorful way. But I think that the resentment stems from inequality and fear related to resources.

00:28:22.500 I don't, I don't, that's not even what I'm saying. I'm saying that if you are in these communities,

00:28:26.800 like the, the, the conservative community, which is this lower, lower middle-class community,

00:28:30.980 and I say something like blacks are different from whites and, and, and, and, and whites are 0.99

00:28:35.740 different from Latinos or something like that. And, and anyone in the community will be like, 0.74

00:28:39.840 oh yeah, I went to a Latino barbecue and it was nothing like, and I went to a black barbecue and 1.00

00:28:44.900 you go to a lower class black barbecue and a lower class white barbecue and a lower class Latino 1.00

00:28:48.560 barbecue. The experience is going to be like, you're in a different country. Um, now you,

00:28:55.120 you go to an upper middle-class black barbecue or white barbecue or Latino barbecue, you might have

00:29:01.600 like one little activity or, or one little one dish. It's different. But to these people,

00:29:09.360 when they say there are no cultural differences between ethnicities, it is genuinely because many 0.99

00:29:15.260 of them really mean it in the depths of their souls. They have never experienced it. And so when they

00:29:22.080 hear somebody else be like, no, these groups are actually quite different from each other,

00:29:26.680 they're like, oh, you could only be saying this because you're a racist, because I know,

00:29:31.740 you know, I just the other week went to my, you know, wealthy black friend's house and it looked 0.81

00:29:39.560 exactly like my house. And I met, you know, his wife and their relationship structure was exactly

00:29:45.040 like mine. And I met his kids and they go to the, you know, the same type of doing the same type of

00:29:49.900 thing my kids are doing and have the same type of goals. And, and we're all, you know,

00:29:53.900 the same basic religion. And this echoes the cartoons hater argument in that within each side,

00:29:59.720 they're like, I don't even know what reality you're talking about. Like this, none of this

00:30:03.760 makes sense because they don't have exposure to each other's realities. Yeah. Well, I mean,

00:30:07.720 you could just see this with churches. You go to an upper-class, you know, black church, 0.82

00:30:11.160 and it's going to be a lot like a white church. You go to a lower-class black church, 0.96

00:30:13.920 and it's going to be very different, right? And, and, and this is because the urban monoculture 0.95

00:30:19.420 rots society from the top down. It homogenizes society from the top down. So the closer you are

00:30:26.180 to the top, even just aspirationally speaking, the, the less you are going to see the real differences

00:30:33.740 between people or understand, you know, as I argue today, the modern conservative movement is made up

00:30:39.660 of an alliance of often these different groups. Like one of the reasons why, you know, so many

00:30:43.520 Latinos have come over to the conservative party. They're like, we want to maintain our distinct

00:30:46.560 culture. And they say they want us, they say they like us, but they call us Latinx, which like even

00:30:53.260 ignores the basic way our grammatical structures work. Yeah. If that is the word they use us, and it

00:30:59.620 has so little respect for the way our culture is unique, they do plan to homogenize us. 0.98

00:31:04.840 Shut up. Not, not only am I not Latinx and I'm not Latino, I'm not Latina. I am Colombian. I'm 0.97

00:31:11.420 from Argentina. Come on. Like what on earth, what are you doing?

00:31:15.060 Yeah. Well, and it's just homogenization, this burning homogenization, this burning away of

00:31:19.300 uniqueness, which has allowed for many, like, and I also think that this is just smart because

00:31:24.960 the feminist movement has sort of converged with the progressive movement, which has converged with the

00:31:29.600 urban monoculture. And the anti-feminist movement has converged with the, you know,

00:31:33.760 cultural sovereignty movement, which is the, you know, MAGA conservative movement. And so to

00:31:39.540 converge culturally within your places of strengths, i.e. if you go to like lower class communities,

00:31:46.400 even though these groups are different and they recognize they're different, many of them will

00:31:49.440 have friends in these other groups. And those friends will value the way that these groups are

00:31:54.340 different and not want those differences further eroded, right? Like, you know, you'll have your

00:31:58.700 black friend if you're a lower class American or your Hispanic friend, you know, from the job site

00:32:06.100 or whatever. And you'll understand that you guys are very culturally distinctive. You have distinctive

00:32:11.660 gender norms. You have distinctive roles around sexual taboos. You have distinctive, and you want 0.75

00:32:15.540 to maintain that distinctiveness. And so when you're coming and you're like, okay, let's all get together

00:32:20.520 and work out how we're going to fight against this homogenizing force, it works to come to this

00:32:27.060 lower and lower middle class place. Yeah. And I mean, I, and I hear you and you're saying this is

00:32:32.120 cultural, but I'm also saying that I think that the resources money class element of it is, is

00:32:38.720 underrated. Like I'm okay. Just aside from race, talk about like rural urban divides. A lot of that

00:32:44.840 comes down. It's not just culture. It's also about feeling economically marginalized compared to urban

00:32:51.340 centers. And that, that tension can feel real. Like we we've spoken with people who are like,

00:32:55.280 yeah, man, I feel completely left behind who live in more. And oh, okay. Consider also like

00:33:01.380 boomers versus millennials. When you actually look, I mean, millennials will make fun of boomers and

00:33:06.560 vice versa about like their cultural things. But in the end, the big resentment is the younger

00:33:12.440 generations are like, the boomers have all the money. They have all this wealth. They're like, 0.94

00:33:15.880 oh, just work and you'll be fine. And like, it doesn't work that way anymore. And there's a lot

00:33:19.500 of resentment there and it stems from resources.

00:33:21.940 Yeah. Well, I mean, this explains why if you go to all of the protests against Trump,

00:33:25.660 it's like only boomers. People have been talking about either boomer protests. There's like no

00:33:30.460 young people.

00:33:32.220 Yeah, absolutely. And, and I think, you know, to your point about this, this urban monoculture as well,

00:33:37.140 I think a lot of that also then also it boils down to class. You have a higher resourced,

00:33:43.460 more educated class of people that has become homogenized. And then you have a bunch of other

00:33:48.800 people. And it, it, it gets weird for, with that, because then you have the, the urban monoculture

00:33:55.820 also being really socialist and like, they hate people with money, but they are the ones.

00:34:01.360 No, we're not socialists. What, what socialism and communism is, is it is the ossification of the

00:34:08.280 bureaucratic hierarchy that is existing within our society, but just making it so that the bureaucrats

00:34:13.980 have to work even less. When we talk about like AI eroding bureaucratic jobs, it does that if we

00:34:18.900 maintain capitalism. If we switch to socialism, they get to keep their positions within the system

00:34:23.700 forever.

00:34:24.860 Oh, okay. Yeah.

00:34:26.220 I'm keeping power and communal narcissism as we talked about.

00:34:30.640 At any time in human history is never about wealth redistribution in any sort of real sense.

00:34:37.660 It is about the ossification of a bureaucratic power structure.

00:34:41.460 Okay. Well that explains it, but I mean, I'm just trying to point out that a lot of seemingly

00:34:46.340 cultural conflicts in the end are about competition over jobs, housing, political power, um, and in

00:34:53.120 class position influences who perceives opportunity and who feels threatened. And with the gender wars, 0.52

00:34:58.960 a lot of this comes from, man, like women have been given all this like affirmative action and they get

00:35:03.580 all the bureaucratic roles and they're doing better in education. And there's a lot of resentment

00:35:06.780 about it. And maybe it would be more productive if people just explicitly talked about that, like

00:35:10.540 Arctotherium does, whether or not it's true, because some studies have found, like they looked at some

00:35:16.140 areas where men did get better economic achievement and better social status, and that still didn't

00:35:20.920 produce more children. So I don't, you know, like there's, but we should be having that conversation

00:35:25.160 instead of just being like, outside of children, women today, like if you look at this generation, 1.00

00:35:30.940 there's been some graphs that we've gone over in other episodes. They increasingly, like over the past

00:35:35.320 10 years, believe that women increasingly, like with a sharp increase, there is a perception among 0.98

00:35:40.760 women that women are being treated worse over, over time. That society is more unfair towards women, 0.98

00:35:47.180 that college entrance is more unfair towards women, even though like by the facts, this is objectively

00:35:51.740 untrue to anyone who's like living in reality. And so I think that, you know, they say, well,

00:35:58.380 you're just living in different realities because you're seeing different class norms.

00:36:01.580 And it's like, no, we on the conservative side acknowledge their class norms and their reality

00:36:09.180 often, like there's some instances where there's like the maid situation and they just have no idea

00:36:13.500 what's going on because they've never experienced it. But broadly speaking, we acknowledge their class

00:36:18.080 norms and they are unaware or are they, they actively choose to be like, no, you people aren't

00:36:24.400 experiencing these things. They, they, they will say no.

00:36:27.200 Because they're the privileged ones and, and the men are the lower class ones.

00:36:30.740 No, no, no. They'll be like, they'll be like, oh, you know, like upper class woman will be like, 1.00

00:36:35.120 oh, like upper middle class. I just can't find a guy who meets my standards. And we're like, yes,

00:36:39.620 you can't. I agree. Here's why we will say like, oh, I lost my job because of an immigrant or 1.00

00:36:46.220 something like that at the car shop. And they'll be like, that didn't happen. Or, you know, like

00:36:50.880 actually, you know, there are really big differences between the SNO cultural groups in this

00:36:55.740 country. And then they're, they're not exactly living harmoniously with each other. And they'll

00:37:01.080 be like, no, you haven't experienced that because your crime is actually a real problem right now

00:37:06.780 in my, my city. Can you do something about it? And they're like, well, I just looked outside and

00:37:11.180 it's not a problem. Right. Or like they stole my car and really that was a good thing because

00:37:16.300 now somebody who needs it, has it, you know, probably need. Yeah. Oh gosh. Those arguments I

00:37:21.300 haven't heard in a long time, but there were absolutely those arguments of, well, I think

00:37:25.440 he needed my bike more than I did. There was a, there was a not too long ago, or maybe like a

00:37:30.200 couple of years ago, post by a comedian where somebody had broken into his car and he goes,

00:37:33.620 well, this is just like the price you lay to live, live in a wonderful city like LA. And it's like,

00:37:39.640 well, you know, if you actually didn't have a lot of money, somebody breaking into your car

00:37:43.740 is a huge financial deal, even if they don't steal it. Yeah. I remember when your car was broken into

00:37:51.080 and it was, yeah. It's not like, it's not like even people who, you know, are, are not on the

00:37:58.560 lowest ends of, of society aren't really hurt by that. I mean, we still own that Mazda and we,

00:38:04.880 we drive it every day. Like these are forever cars. Like, I don't know what to say.

00:38:11.260 Like our frugalness. I still live with the very first car I ever got. And we, we work on it all

00:38:17.880 the time to keep it good, but yeah. Oh, I get to be one of those guys who keeps the car for so long.

00:38:21.560 It becomes like a classic. I don't know if a 2010 Mazda is ever really going to become.

00:38:26.600 It's a good car. Yes. I like, I'm very, it's, it's been like nothing. It doesn't do any,

00:38:33.080 it is, it is the Simone of cars, right? Like workhorse doesn't complain, doesn't break down very much.

00:38:40.760 As long as you drive it the right way, you know. Classics after 30 years.

00:38:46.940 I don't know. Is there some designation? Is this like vintage versus antique? You got to school me.

00:38:52.780 I don't do, I don't do cars. A car needs to be 20 years old to be a classic. This car is 15 years old.

00:38:59.360 All right. I'm five years from being a classic. It becomes a classic in 2030, Simone.

00:39:07.420 Well, hold on to it, my friend. I had no intention of selling it. That's, that's crazy. I could actually

00:39:13.220 be that, that old man who's driving around a classic car.

00:39:17.540 The crash owner of a classic car.

00:39:19.100 Your mom maligned. We can't even, we can't even say online, which she called it. That's one of

00:39:26.400 those few things we can't even say. Right. Yeah. Anyway. God. Wait, do you have any other arguments

00:39:31.320 here? No, I just, I, I actually, I, I want people to think more about why they're actually mad about

00:39:38.480 things or mad at groups. I disagree. I think that they're mad at them because of the unfair dating

00:39:43.020 and market dynamics and the systemic unfairness towards men. But what I will. Yeah. And I think

00:39:47.160 that's a resource thing. No, but what I will. No, no. I'm saying this is their predominant area of

00:39:51.660 madness. What I will agree with, with this article is that. Not area of madness. The primary reason

00:39:57.600 for their grievance. You make it sound like they're crazy. Whatever. You see, this is, this is, 0.78

00:40:01.580 I am speaking like a lower class person, area of madness. And you are speaking like an upper 1.00

00:40:06.700 middle class person. Reason for grievance. Well, I don't think that men appreciate 0.87

00:40:13.000 being referred to as hysterical. That's what they do to the women. I, I, Simone. So, so no, 1.00

00:40:18.860 I'm just using like broad words that anyone can use. And you're trying to get all fancy with your

00:40:23.220 language here. Um, you're fancification in your words, but upper middle class feminine ways. 1.00

00:40:30.060 Yes. But the point I'm making is that I think that she's wrong and that the grievance areas are,

00:40:36.580 are being misinterpreted. But what I will agree with is that these two movements have become coded

00:40:41.280 with different social communities or different social classes. And I think it's important to ask

00:40:46.900 why are they being coded with these various social classes? And it's not that I don't think that a lot

00:40:51.940 of the foot soldiers of wokeism are impoverished people, but they are impoverished people living with

00:40:58.560 like 20 people in a like polyamorous house and like Manhattan or Portland to live the simulacrum of

00:41:06.560 the upper middle class lifestyle. There is this obsession with living within the simulacrum of

00:41:12.580 this lifestyle. And I think that part of that is downstream of women's psychological differences in 1.00

00:41:18.420 men and the, the males saying, Hey, I want to be accepted by the norm, like, like of this larger,

00:41:25.680 like new right community. Therefore I am going to appeal to the average man. I'm going to, you know,

00:41:31.140 like Elon with the gaming stuff or like asthma gold or like, and I think that that is also

00:41:36.580 downstream of the dominant culture was in this movement, which as we've noted, it's our own

00:41:40.520 culture, which is the sort of greater abolition, like clan based cultural tradition, which is very

00:41:44.740 okay with differences in very hostile towards elitism and aristocracy. Well, what about all the

00:41:51.280 men who, who keep trying to show flash around money that they may or may not have? Well, this is

00:41:56.960 a point. They often rose. If you look at the men who rose in the, the last generation of the

00:42:03.740 conservative cycle, when the aristocratic cavalier group or deep South group still was a dominant

00:42:08.860 party. So you're saying the new version of aspirational male is low culture, lower class

00:42:15.420 signaling. Whereas the previous generation was flash money. It's a time thing. It's a trend thing.

00:42:23.280 Okay. Okay. That helps you. And if they do this today, either they look buffoonish or they look

00:42:29.840 like they're part of a separate cultural group. Okay. What I mean by this is that we lived in 0.71

00:42:36.100 Manhattan for, sorry, Miami for a period. And when I saw a man flash money to attempt to attract a

00:42:42.520 woman, always my initial reaction is, oh, he's a Latin American. Like I, like that was all, even if 0.97

00:42:49.660 he, I was like, he must be Latin American, right? Like he's not a American American because he's, 0.99

00:42:54.340 he's, he's acting in a way that is discordant with the dominant cultural value system was in

00:43:00.580 this country at the moment. Um, and I think that the, that either people look like they're just

00:43:06.420 signaling that they're in a, which is fine, right? Like a Latin American man in Miami, 0.99

00:43:10.460 trying to attract Latin American hoes in Miami. You got a signal to the right audience. 1.00

00:43:15.800 That's a, that's a, yeah, that's a effing game, man. Right. Like, no, I'm not going to hate the

00:43:20.140 player for that. Right. But you know, I look at that and I'm like, oh, you know, I, I would not

00:43:24.200 want those women. I, I would, I would pay to not have to sleep with those women or to not have those 1.00

00:43:30.300 women approach me. Like he is, he is fishing for a fish that I don't eat, but I have never had any

00:43:35.440 interest in eating that fish. So it's, it's just a different cultural game that he's playing. And I'm just

00:43:40.120 like, okay, fine. Play this alternate cultural game. Or I think that, oh, they're like buffoonish and 0.94

00:43:45.440 behind the times. They don't understand what's going on these days because you know, you look

00:43:49.760 at the, the, you know, the billionaire class and none of them are doing that anymore. They're

00:43:53.980 trying to hide that stuff. Yeah. And sleeping with their colleagues, their high status.

00:43:58.600 Jeff Bezos, who I've always said just looks like an out of touch buffoon. The woman he's marrying 0.98

00:44:02.540 looks like just. Yeah. But I feel like he did that to her because when they first started dating,

00:44:08.300 she wasn't, she hadn't had that much work done. It looks super low class. Yeah. But also like he

00:44:16.500 started from humble beginnings. So, you know, he's not old money people. I was, I was watching a

00:44:21.320 YouTuber talk about old money recently. I think my algorithm is serving that up ever, ever since I

00:44:26.980 watched some video about it. And she was like, oh, you know, old money, that's like, you know, 50 years.

00:44:31.560 And I'm like, no, 50 years is not old. Old money is like three generations of a family of wealth.

00:44:36.440 It is not. Yeah. Jeff Bezos is, is new money. And therefore it should come as no surprise that

00:44:42.300 his wife doesn't look like, oh, it's like that scene from Legally Blonde where. 1.00

00:44:47.540 No, I'm going to push back here. I think the old money, new money distinction is stupid. 1.00

00:44:50.620 There is a lot of, first of all, we argued in another video, I don't think it's gone live yet, 0.98

00:44:56.180 that old money basically doesn't exist anymore. That it.

00:44:58.840 No, no, no. That was in our AI and social class video where we talked about basically.

00:45:02.200 I think that the social class has mostly dissolved at this point.

00:45:04.800 Right. And so right now, what you have is two groups and, and both of them are fairly new wealth.

00:45:10.740 One of them is, is sort of hip with the times and everything like that. This is like your Elon

00:45:16.440 or your Zuckerberg. I mean, he might be like a bit out of it, but he broadly knows what's going on

00:45:21.780 or your Teals or your Andreessen's or whatever. Right. And then your other is like, you know,

00:45:27.860 your Jeff Bezos or your, what's his name? Bill Gates or your, whatever. This is like a,

00:45:33.660 this is like the more generic class. And they're more like trying to culturally signal to communities

00:45:39.660 that don't really exist anymore. They're, they're trying to culturally signal to what they wanted

00:45:44.640 people to respect, you know, 50 years ago or 20 years ago when they were growing up and not the

00:45:50.500 way things are on the ground right now. So I think the old money, new money distinction is just

00:45:55.720 completely silly because it doesn't really exist anymore. It is the people who are hip to the ways that

00:46:01.680 culture has changed and people who are trying to signal to a mostly dead or gone audience that's

00:46:08.140 not really there anymore. No, I think that's a really good point. Yeah. That, that old money now

00:46:12.380 only is an aesthetic because now people with intergenerational wealth don't have the discipline

00:46:18.600 required to maintain intergenerational wealth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. Which we talked about

00:46:25.440 this, go see AI on social class, our video on that. We basically talk about how everything we've seen

00:46:30.660 at family wealth conferences and among these types of groups is basically they're like, Oh,

00:46:35.060 I just want my kid to be happy now. Whereas before it used to be like K-pop and they, and they have no

00:46:40.820 kids themselves. Like, yeah. Whereas like before, if you look at the Kennedys, like they weren't having

00:46:44.260 fun. Those kids were like being engineered to be future presidents and politicians, you know,

00:46:49.440 they weren't, you know, this was, this was Disney kid. This was K-pop idol. Like you're going to be

00:46:55.360 so yeah. Now they're like, Oh, I just want them to be happy. So yeah. The money gets pissed away.

00:46:59.960 All right. I love you, Malcolm. Thank you. You always widen my perspective, but yeah. Cartoons

00:47:05.480 hate her fun. By the way, on the next episode, I think you might want to change the topic and you

00:47:10.460 need to ask Diana first, if we can do this topic. Okay. Cause I think it's a little rude to do it

00:47:15.720 without asking her. I did. Yeah. Well, there aren't that many people who are as bullish as we are on

00:47:21.720 raising our kids with AI. How did the episode do in terms of comments today?

00:47:26.740 People really enjoyed it. People were very keen to draw the connection between communal narcissism

00:47:34.080 and women. Communal narcissism and women. Yeah. We did the communal narcissism episode. I didn't 0.75

00:47:39.100 expect the episode to do as well as it did really. We were like, Oh, this is just such blatant red meat 1.00

00:47:44.120 for our audience. Like it's not going to hit number one and it hits number one.

00:47:47.720 When we feel like we need to get performance to work, how can we just make progressives and women 0.97

00:47:55.860 look bad? Our channel's numbers right now, by the way, Simone, you want an update? We're at,

00:48:02.180 in terms of view count just on YouTube for every 28 day period, 368,000. So getting close to a million

00:48:10.080 there. And in terms of watch time hours per 28 day period, 179.5,000. So around 180,000 hours

00:48:21.180 watch time per 28 days. That's a lot of time. I'm proud of this. We built this into something kind

00:48:29.700 of cool from a, you know, just a few people watching and my mom being like, you look like a fool 1.00

00:48:35.180 on YouTube and no one's listening. Well, she, she came around to it. She came around. So I'm glad 0.97

00:48:44.500 I think she'd be pleased. All right. You ready? Get those thick glasses on that trigger people so

00:48:52.040 freaking hard. All right. Have you lost the other glasses? I do like the other wireframe glasses.

00:48:57.240 Yeah. I should look it around for them. I have them somewhere. The core reason I don't wear them

00:49:00.800 anymore is because they're not like fitted correctly right now. Oh, okay. So we've got to

00:49:05.520 take them to New York and take them to the store where they're made because nobody else works on

00:49:09.440 them. Do you see, you put the car in the walls? Wait, he's putting the car in the house? Yes.

00:49:16.440 Yeah. I'm trying to go inside. Well then walk out the door.

00:49:21.060 Why is your car inside the house? I don't know. Why are you going for this whole,

00:49:28.520 are you like renovating? It looks a little rough.

00:49:33.440 Maybe it looks a little rough because you drove a car into your house.

00:49:36.880 Yeah.

00:49:37.940 Why is the cleanliness checkmarked? Yes. Oh, house condition is 23%.

00:49:43.380 That helps to explain it.

00:49:46.580 All right.

Based Camp - July 30, 2025

Are the Gender Wars Really About Class？

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